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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Ball Mission Control decans. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. We're talking about war. Uh

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Speaker 3: what is it good for? It's incredibly ugly. It's a

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Speaker 3: tremendous engine of horror, tragedy, innovation, and surprisingly the surreal.

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Speaker 3: And in today's episode, we're going to talk about something

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Speaker 3: that stuck with us for a while when we first

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Speaker 3: that comes from the days of war amid the chaos

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Speaker 3: of the Korean conflict in the nineteen fifties. This encounter

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Speaker 3: may have played a role in the creation of the

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Speaker 3: secret initiative now known as Project Blue Book. But before

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Speaker 3: we do any of that, we we wanted once again,

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Speaker 3: I think it's very important for us to talk about

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Speaker 3: the history of UFO sightings and what tells us about

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Speaker 3: human culture. So here are the facts.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've talked recently about Japanese UFO kind of

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Speaker 3: I've been obsessed with.

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Speaker 5: I think it's something.

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Speaker 4: That's always grabbed all of us, just the idea that,

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Speaker 4: you know, there's a cultural lens through which to view

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Speaker 4: this kind of stuff, and it ultimately, you know, like

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Speaker 4: you always say, Ben, kind of folds back into the

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Speaker 4: idea of folklore. We've heard reports of, you know, folks

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Speaker 4: seeing weird stuff in the sky back to antiquity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Since people really got into this people thing, they've

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Speaker 3: been seeing pulling. Yeah, people, and since people start to people,

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Speaker 3: they've been seeing stuff in the sky, and it's hard

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Speaker 3: to understand exactly how folks interpreted what they saw. This

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Speaker 3: We discussed this at length and previous episodes. Please check

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Speaker 3: them out. If you want to understand a UFO siting,

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Speaker 3: you have to understand the culture in which people live,

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Speaker 3: because it plays a tremendous role in their interpretation what

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Speaker 3: are the basis of religions. Sometimes they begin and end

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Speaker 3: wars and empires. You know, there are multiple stories of

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Speaker 3: sign of a god's favor. It's a real thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, heck, you know, the origin of religion in general.

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Speaker 4: I think there was a time where people truly did

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Speaker 4: believe that angels lived in the sky, you know, like

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I'm I'm not trying to be flippant,

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Speaker 4: but I do seem to believe that there was a

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Speaker 4: belief that, you know, the idea of the gods living

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Speaker 2: And those may still be beliefs that some people hold. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I really like what you're getting at here because

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Speaker 2: it feels very similar to not just being applied to religion,

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Speaker 2: Those those things in the sky that you can't identify

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Speaker 2: very likely maybe from whatever name your enemy, right right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is it the devil?

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Speaker 3: The is it like what channel bog is it.

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Speaker 2: The Soviets or maybe the US yeah, m.

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Speaker 3: Hm, or the fay right or the hidden folk it

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Speaker 3: also it's I think it's important to note this too.

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Speaker 3: I always think of the cargo cult example, which is

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Speaker 4: It was about like stuff being dropped or like not debris,

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Speaker 5: Wasn't that the deal? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The idea was that one could, through certain rituals meant

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Speaker 4: Well, especially when you apply critical thinking as we like

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Speaker 4: Once the scientific method and critical thinking started to kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, scientific method critical thinking comes into vogue. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: confirm that the majority of UFO UAP sightings can ultimately

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Speaker 3: can plausibly be explained by mundane phenomenon, whether atmospheric hijinks,

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Speaker 3: unfamiliar wildlife like well, I mean we I think we

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Speaker 3: readily admit when we don't know stuff. I can't name

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Speaker 5: Oh god, you could? And how dare they be able

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Speaker 4: It's an incantation that would bring down chaos from above.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee name every bird. See what happens? Nothing good?

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Speaker 5: Next, name every nut s CA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, And like a lot of the UFO encounters

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Speaker 4: But like with the tic tac thing, not the TikTok,

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Speaker 2: Think, Well, it's multiple witnesses, right.

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Speaker 3: And who are experts in their field and video I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: To your point, Matt, and you know you're coming from

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Speaker 4: a video background, it's easy to fake video evidence. But

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Speaker 4: like there's usually some sort of calling card or some

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Speaker 5: But those seem pretty legit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are technical ways to tell if something is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at present, those methods are still reliable, but we're entering,

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people are arguing about this,

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Speaker 3: but you might be surprised to find the conversations like this,

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Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of UFO sightings plummeted once

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Speaker 5: But today, right, they got a bogie. We got ourselves

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And what if we told you, fellow conspiracy realists,

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Speaker 3: class Francis P. Wall And you know what I say,

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Speaker 3: we cut right to the chase here. Why don't we

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Speaker 3: talk about the Korean War, you know, never officially, and.

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Speaker 5: That's always weird to me. I mean, what does that mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a The armistice specifically says it's not

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Speaker 5: North Korea well summed up.

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Speaker 4: And obviously, you know, as in other like modern kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good comparison. Our story with Francis P.

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Speaker 3: Wall takes place when he's a young tike in May

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and one day, as they were preparing to bombard

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Speaker 5: Saw an alarming sight in the hills. They described it

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Speaker 4: Come wafting down across the mountain. That sounds charming. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: just you know, while they were taking a beat before

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they also I guess we should pause here too,

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Speaker 3: you know, the innocent bystanders, Hey, we're gonna blow blow

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Speaker 3: We're blowing up the spot. So the thing that's interesting

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Speaker 3: we're going to get a lot of this from an

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Speaker 5: Okay, well that's really helped.

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Speaker 3: So up to now, this object, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 5: You array like a beam, like a ray. That's wild.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very money python of them.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but you know.

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Speaker 3: These are, according to Wall underground dugouts where you have

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Speaker 3: We're peeping out at this thing. It hovered over us

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Speaker 2: right angle, and then forty five is the center of that.

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00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: That's a prettyteep angle to be heading towards the sky

441
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: right like taking off.

442
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is weird to these guys.

443
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: They're already having a very strange, probably terrifying day, not

444
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: as terrifying as the day that the villagers in town

445
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: are having. The boys of Easy Company would have just

446
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: written this off as another weird war story, and those

447
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: occur when you're out in the field. But theirs was

448
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: a little bit different. About seventy two hours later, the

449
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: entire company had to be evacuated by ambulance, which means

450
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: that military forces pretty much had to cut roads for

451
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: the ambulances because these guys couldn't walk at dysentery, they

452
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: were vomiting everywhere, and Wall says that he can't really

453
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: recall these days other than these very painful physical symptoms.

454
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Speaker 3: They're just missing from his memory.

455
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Speaker 2: It's interesting that it's described as dysentery to me, right,

456
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: they had just really bad indigestion, right, I mean essentially, right,

457
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: that's something something was scrambling with their insides, is what

458
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: it feels like to me.

459
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 5: Dysenterius is what I mean.

460
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: It's a specific malady, but it also is kind of

461
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 4: a catch all, like xerox.

462
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: It's absolutely it's like one of the absolute worst diarrheas.

463
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: Exactly, like, yeah, really really bad. It's just so strange

464
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: to me that.

465
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: It's also strange because that stuff is caused typically by

466
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: an infection, a parasite, virus, bacteria, you know, a something classics.

467
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 4: Right, So is the implication of the story that this

468
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: condition was related in some way to the exciting that's

469
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Speaker 4: what Wall believes.

470
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Speaker 3: I see later the doctors who were examining them apparently

471
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: said the men had all had extremely high white blood

472
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 3: cell counts and they were clueless as to why this

473
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: occurred or how it could have happened. Based on the

474
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Speaker 3: evidence they were given from the soldiers, nothing explained it.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but of course you're in wartime. You know, you're

476
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: you're eating and drinking the supplies that you've got on

477
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: hand there while you're deployed. So who knows. It's unlikely

478
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: that an entire battalion like that would get caught up

479
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: with something.

480
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 4: Well, not necessarily, and if they were sharing common food

481
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 4: supply and something had gone bad, it's a possibility.

482
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Speaker 3: But let's plant a let's plant a seed here. The

483
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 3: causes of elevated white blood cell count can include bone

484
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: marrow problems, infection, smoking, I assume tobacco or anything artillery smoke,

485
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: Immune disorders, yeah, allergic reactions, or physical and emotional stress.

486
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Speaker 2: Interesting.

487
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: Interesting. So he gets together with the group, you know,

488
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Evans, the rest of the gang. They get together,

489
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: they have what they call confab and they discuss, Okay,

490
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: what are we going to say officially? What will our

491
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: report on this event contain and after their discussion, they

492
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: unanimously decide they're not going to say anything about it

493
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: in the report. Wall says, we thought they'd lock every

494
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: one of us up and think we were crazy. At

495
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: the time, no such thing as a UFO had ever

496
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 3: been heard of, and we didn't know what it was.

497
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: There were ideas of UFO or flying saucers, obviously, but

498
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: in his cultural context and that of his brothers in arms,

499
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: they had no idea, you know what I mean. They

500
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: just didn't have the language to put on this thing.

501
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because forty seven and the Roswell crash wasn't that

502
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: long ago from when this occurred, right.

503
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: Four years right, Yeah, this is a new stand This

504
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: brand new stuff still got that new spaceship smell, and

505
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: Wall right. Wall never claims to know what this thing is.

506
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: You never see him say I one ran into an

507
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: alien or this was an extra terrestrial. He considers it

508
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: a UFO only in that he could not identify it

509
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: and did not for the rest of his life. But

510
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: he describes what he sees as long term deletarious physical

511
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: effects associated with the incident in his mind.

512
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He says things like he has memory loss

513
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: periods where maybe we would call it or think of

514
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: it as brain fog now disorientation where you're unsure where

515
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 2: you are, what's going on. Uh, he lost quite a

516
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: bit of weight of what what is this like forty

517
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: two pounds of weight that he lost when he got

518
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: back to the United States. You know that could be stressed. Again,

519
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: weight loss can be stress related. Another little breadcrumb. There

520
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: been just the idea that stress could have related to that.

521
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: He at least wasn't He doesn't feel like he was

522
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: doing very well after this experience.

523
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: No, and this also does in factor in PTSD, right,

524
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: which would be enormously common for survivors of the Korean

525
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: War on any side, anybody involved in such traumatic situations.

526
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: You're going to have some struggles later, right. And the

527
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: mind informs the body, the body informs the mind. Those

528
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: are two very true things. Wall thinks there's a cover

529
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: up of Foot though he says that he directly spoke

530
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: to at least twenty five other men who were there

531
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: during that time and confirmed his story, and at the

532
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: time of this interview with Timmerman, he says, look, I

533
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: lost touch with a lot of those guys, a lot

534
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: of them are dead. They died either in the Korean

535
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: War or they died in decades after. And the folks

536
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: who were still I can guarantee they're not gonna come

537
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: forward likely not. It's a shame because it's understandable what

538
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: he's saying has validity, but also it tremendously weakens his claims.

539
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: Right if we're just being solely objected, not calling the

540
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: guy a liar, just saying that the evidence would be

541
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: much more powerful if there were a couple of other

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: corroborating stories.

543
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely well, and the other the other thing that

544
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: isn't really great for Wall's story is that it changes

545
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: a little bit at first. And what we talked about

546
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: was that the all the guys who had witnessed it,

547
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: who got dysentery got sick, didn't make it. What is

548
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: it to Oregon whatever? How does that? I don't I'm

549
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: trying to make an Oregon Trail joke here. Yeah, dysenteria

550
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: got really sick. They all got together and they decided, hey,

551
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: we're not going to tell anybody about this because we

552
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: don't know what that was and they'll think we're crazy.

553
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: That was the story. We we as a group are

554
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: not going to say anything about this, but then later

555
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: on he kind of changes it to where it's like

556
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: somebody told them not to say anything.

557
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are the story overall for most of his

558
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: life afterwards, the big parts all stay the same, right,

559
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: that doesn't mix up too much, But the idea that

560
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: they were told or warned by some other governmental figure

561
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: that pops up later. And then there's also another thing

562
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 3: that switches a bit is his remark that, oh, how

563
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: do he put it? First he says he had no

564
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: memory of those seventy two hours, the mystery hours, and

565
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: then he said he's Later he talks about how something

566
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: happened the day after the event and he remembered it.

567
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: So there's some wiggling there. There's some wiggle room.

568
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, and can we just bring up seventy two hours

569
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: is kind of a long time, especially get dysentery.

570
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: It's like the minimum buried entry for what's considered a

571
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: long time actually probably forty eight hours, so it's like

572
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: a really long time. Yeah, well, time is a relative, true.

573
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: I have a one of my friend's kids told me

574
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: that time is a relative, and they meant that they

575
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: were related to time, And it was one of the

576
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: deepest things I had heard that father time. There we go, right,

577
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: So okay, he says. Wall says that he does believe

578
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: the thing that happened to him was the result of

579
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: a real encounter with an unidentified craft. He says, these

580
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: things are real. I think there is a cover up.

581
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: We were ordered, to your point, Matt, to say nothing

582
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: about this, and that shows you they're covering something up.

583
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: By they, we can only assume he means Uncle Sam, hey,

584
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: y ye. And the quote from Wall goes on, it

585
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: is foolish to believe that we have the only technology anywhere.

586
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: You know, I would agree with that. There are other intelligences. Well,

587
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: I I wish if I can raise up any of

588
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: the names of the men possibly that are still alive,

589
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: and I doubt if you could get them to come forth,

590
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: but if I could, there would be some way to

591
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: verify this.

592
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 5: That is an interesting statement.

593
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because he's saying, he's saying that.

594
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: He can't verify it. We'll understand that he's being objective.

595
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, he's he's he's telling a really big tail, right.

596
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that that kind of phrasing, Like, man,

597
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I wish I could get one of those other guys

598
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: to come and tell you, because I tell you they would.

599
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: Do it, I do it. He just give me the chance,

600
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: my buddy.

601
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's lying. It just feels like something.

602
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: It's unusual that's telling you that fish was four hundred

603
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 3: and fifty pounds. H all right, So yeah, you're right,

604
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: we're not casting a spursion on the guy. We just

605
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: we have to point out the ways in which we

606
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: need to approach these kinds of stories, extraordinary claims, extraordinary

607
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: evidence as ever, So there's also another troubling thing. It's

608
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: an all too common narrative thread, and so many stories

609
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: from US veterans, from veterans of any fighting force, there's

610
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: a lot of cover up stuff. And you don't need aliens, right,

611
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I mean, whether you're talking depleted uranium, that's a real

612
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: thing and a real cover up. Agent Orange again a

613
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: real thing, a real cover up war crimes, you know.

614
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 5: But even Agent Orange they didn't fully admit.

615
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 4: Right, I mean they did, but there was like plausible deniability,

616
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like to ever see the

617
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 4: government fully copped yep, that was us, Sorry about that.

618
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: One just doesn't really happen, you know, even with what

619
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: we're seeing now with you know, UFO reports, everything's very

620
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: tenuous at best.

621
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Speaker 3: Right, and we know that the cover ups are real.

622
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: They can often fall under the insidious argument of greater

623
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: good or national security, but it doesn't change the fact

624
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: that people's lives can be irreparably ruined. So there's a

625
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: grain here, there's a seed for the pie tree of truth, right,

626
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: and it gives birth to this immense folklore because if

627
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: you hear somebody, if you hear a story about you know,

628
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: white phosphorus cover ups or Agent Orange war crimes, my

629
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: LII massacre, and so on, then it becomes increasingly plausible

630
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: in our heads that this could be another thing that

631
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: was covered up. And we want to hear your stories.

632
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: By the way, folks, if you have served or been

633
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: associated with a military or fighting force anywhere in the world,

634
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: we want to know if you ever heard a strange

635
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 3: rumor or what you and what kind of rumors you heard.

636
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: We'll tell you how to get in touch with us

637
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: at the end of the show. But now we're going

638
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: to pause for a word from our sponsors, and then

639
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: we're going to figure out the most difficult part of this.

640
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 3: What did Wall and the boys of Easy Company actually

641
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: see out there in Korea and we're back.

642
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: So what.

643
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: Happened?

644
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 5: Was it?

645
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: Okay? I hate that we have to say it, but

646
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: we do have to say it. It's part of due diligence.

647
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: Could the entire group just have misinterpreted what they saw right,

648
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: to the idea of cultural framework, to the idea of

649
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 3: thinking of enemy forces. When you're a hammer, everything looks

650
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: like a nail. Would they have immediately thought this is

651
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: a Chinese or Soviet craft? Would they have would they

652
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: have later started to play the game of telephone unconsciously

653
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: with themselves. You know, three people are hanging out a

654
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: couple of weeks after the event, and one says, well,

655
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: I remember that it wasn't orange, or maybe it was

656
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: orange at the beginning, but then it changed color. You

657
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: remember that too, right, And some the second person says, oh, yeah,

658
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. I kind of think, yeah, okay, well,

659
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: if you saw.

660
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: It, I mean, yeah, there's definitely that kind of story

661
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: building that could have occurred. Right. If something strange did

662
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: happen where there's not an easy explanation for whatever that

663
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: thing was, then I can imagine in that moment, in

664
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: those seventy two hours while everybody is puking and pooping

665
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: their brains out, maybe there is a story that starts

666
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: to build, right, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I've been there.

667
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: I've been there before, in that like state of a

668
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: disorientation that walls talking about where you're that sick. Right,

669
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: you just can't even really get out of your bed

670
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: unless it's to evacuate more. That's awful. And I can

671
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: imagine that during that time a story grows. But at

672
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: the same time, some of those specifics I can't get

673
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: some of the specifics out of my head. The way

674
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: he describes a laser beam attack of some sort a

675
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: light attack, I don't know for it to have occurred

676
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty one, it just feels otherworldly to me.

677
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then also telling this story, you know, we

678
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: don't have an original recording of these guys in nineteen

679
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: fifty one describing this. We do know that the laser

680
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: and the maser were invented officially in nineteen sixty. Yeah,

681
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: so that's when Theodor Meiman made the first operative laser.

682
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: But you know, we know what we know about what

683
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: was going on, you know, and Groom Lake not long

684
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: after this and it's just some of the other testing

685
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: that the military was doing. So who knows and who

686
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: We only know bits and pieces of what the US

687
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: military was doing. What about militaries in Japan, China, in Korea,

688
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: any of the Pacific countries. Who knows? What was being

689
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: developed at that time in secret, especially because.

690
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: The laser I believe grew out of an observation made

691
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: by Albert Einstein way back in nineteen sixteen. So there

692
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: were people working. And we're not trying to take anything

693
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: away from the actual venor of the laser. We're just

694
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: saying secret technology is real. But again, none of the

695
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: alleged physical effects have been officially confirmed as far as

696
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: we can find at this point by military records. If

697
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: you have those records, we would love to see them

698
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: and learn more. Let's talk about the second possibility, the

699
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: fun one, an extraterrestrial craft. We want to believe where

700
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Fox Mulder X file stands here, but I don't know.

701
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: One of the first things I started looking for, and

702
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: I think we all did, was there were other similar sightings,

703
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 3: and according to one book, Unusual Footnotes to the Korean War,

704
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: there were allegedly forty two other sightings of similar weird

705
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: stuff in the sky, not exactly the same story, but

706
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: enough of like UFO incidents we could call them.

707
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure, And it reminds me a

708
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 2: lot of the food Fighters sightings that occurred during World

709
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: War Two like that. Sometimes people who are fighting in

710
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: the military sea strange stuff in the sky, especially if

711
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: they're pilots or if they're on ships out in the

712
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: middle of the ocean.

713
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: Foo Fighters really have been on tour forever.

714
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 5: Just terminally on tour.

715
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: Ye, get some time with your family, Dave. It seems

716
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: like a lovely fellow.

717
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: Though. I have to say, this.

718
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 3: Big barbecue for charity, and they are very good live

719
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: food Fighters of course Matt is referring to are the

720
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: origin of the name the band that the band the

721
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: food Fighters picked uh. And it's exactly what you described,

722
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: you know, these unidentified phenomenon, maybe not quite objects, but

723
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: bright lights mm hmm, just like a dolphin swimming along

724
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: a boat scupa diver.

725
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: They gave me chills thinking about it that way, Ben.

726
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: That's okay. Then that brings us to Richard F. Haynes.

727
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 5: Richard F.

728
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Haynes was on the History Channel and conversation and you know,

729
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: we have made our opinions about some of the History

730
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: Channel's choices diplomatically clear. We would hope after after these

731
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: years anyway. Uh. Richard Haynes is a UFO researcher and

732
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: former NASA scientist, and he's talking on this History Channel

733
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: program and he says, what if what if this wasn't

734
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: an enemy craft? What if this wasn't a top secret

735
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: US thing? What if it was some sort of third

736
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: party observer that was involved? And he doesn't quite say

737
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: a les like it's right to the right to the

738
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: precipice Ailey, Well, you know what, let's just quote him directly.

739
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: Quote, we tend to be very creative to fight a war.

740
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: If you were interested in how another country or another

741
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 4: race of people thought their wars, you'd want to collect

742
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: information on that, wouldn't you. That's one possible explanation.

743
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: I just want to say. In the thing when he's talking, uh,

744
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: in that in that quote where he's kind of asking

745
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: this thought experiment question. After he says what Noel just said,

746
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: he'd want to collect information, he pauses and he kind

747
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: of trails off. Uh, And he says, that's one possible explanation,

748
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: which makes me wonder whether the producers were feeding in lines.

749
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: I don't want to sound cynical. I don't want to sound.

750
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: Usually you'd fix that with an edit, right.

751
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: That's right, you'd frank invite it a little, right.

752
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, that's more he's getting in his own

753
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: head and like, uh okay, that's one. Yeah, I don't know.

754
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: Thinking through it. You know, we need you know who

755
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: we need. We need that William Defoe character from Boondock

756
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: Saints to investigate UFO scidence.

757
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: That guy will not stop dogging you until he gets you.

758
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: He always gets his man.

759
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: But it is a really guys, this is a really

760
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: cool concept. Just the idea that if there was an

761
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: extra terrestrial observer of some sort or time travel observer,

762
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: they would want to see observe the enemy. I love

763
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: this idea of sending a drone to be like, oh yeah,

764
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: they've got metal. It looks like metal munitions and explosives.

765
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: I think I think we've arrived at this uh point

766
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: a few times where that would be a logical reason,

767
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: you know, for doing it. Would be like recon you

768
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like this question always becomes why

769
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 4: would they bother? Well, they would bother if they, you know,

770
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 4: were not so alarmingly ahead of us technologically.

771
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: They did need little bit of an edge, you know.

772
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's also research, I mean, the only the

773
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: best examples, not the only examples, but the best examples

774
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 3: are looking back at human history. What have humans done

775
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: when in similar situations. During the US Civil War it

776
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: was and other earlier wars, the well to do would

777
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: set up and have picnics on hills while they watched battles.

778
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: And they didn't and they didn't feel ethically fraught about

779
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: this at all at all.

780
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 2: Well, this is quite a big boom, you see that, Jenny.

781
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: Now are you for the blues or the grays this week? Well,

782
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: as a color blind man, I'm simply going for whomever's

783
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: on the on the over there.

784
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: By the hills and by the flamy bit you see it,

785
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: I'm going with whoever's winning.

786
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 5: There we go.

787
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: This is this is us at a picnic as aristocrats

788
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: during out the wars. We're probably also betting. I mean,

789
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: but you're this is a great it's a fascinating idea.

790
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: And Noel, like you said earlier, we have arrived at

791
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: this concept of observation right. Uh, the there is another

792
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: incredibly intriguing theory, folklore, whatever you want to call it,

793
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: about UFO or UAP activity around nuclear facilities.

794
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 6: Oh.

795
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: And I think that's one that's stuck with us for

796
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: years because in the in the story, if you want

797
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: to be completely credulous about it, the way the story

798
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: goes is that these crafts seem peaceful, but they shut

799
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: down certain nuclear activity.

800
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Yep, and at multiple storage facilities for nuclear weapons or

801
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: silos right where where the military would actually launch these

802
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: weapons from. Yeah, and it's occurred, man, Ben, I don't

803
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: have specifics for you right now, but I know it's

804
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: occurred at multiple bases according to multiple witnesses.

805
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. Oh, there were a couple

806
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: that really shut down. There are a couple that really

807
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: stuck out. I think two Air Force veterans said that

808
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: they saw UFO shoot nukes out of the sky test

809
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: nuclear devices. Yeah. The Pentagon IS was investigating those reports

810
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: as recently as February of this year, So people are

811
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: still thinking about this. It's in the zeitgeist. Last thing

812
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: I'd say with the crazy traveling observer thing, all right,

813
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 3: this is not the most inspiring thought, but if people

814
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: could travel back in time, given the sheer amount of

815
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: people who like to do stuff like battle re enactments.

816
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: Of course, people would travel back in time to look

817
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: at things. Of course they would.

818
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 4: Oh god, can you think of all the time travel

819
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 4: tourism that would be inevitable. Oh, it would just clutter

820
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 4: up you know Mount Everest of like five hundred years ago,

821
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it would just we'd

822
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: never be able to recover from time travel available to

823
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: the masses. This is a horrible idea.

824
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Sould be like those Instagram hotspots.

825
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: That that would be so gross, just hanging with a plague,

826
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: doctor Black plague.

827
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 4: I mean, this isn't even taking a consideration butterfly effect

828
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: type stuff, you know.

829
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: What I mean. This is just like, oh gosh, oh man,

830
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: there is no uh, there.

831
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: Is no now can you imagine de plaza? Sorry, okay,

832
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm done.

833
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 3: I mean, based on how many people later said they were.

834
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 5: There conspiracy coming uh post up in the book Repository.

835
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: What is it like four times the actual population of

836
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: Dallas in the sixties was there? Uh just happened to

837
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 3: be on the stage on the exact street too. Uh So, okay,

838
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: let's talk about the one that I think a lot

839
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: of us in the crowd today, will military veterans currently

840
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: serving civilians alike. You'll probably agree that the most plausible

841
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: explanation would be some sort of unknown man made thing. Right,

842
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: if there was a physical object, if it genuinely had

843
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: the effects attributed to it, then it would be some

844
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: sort of human made secret craft, which we know happens,

845
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: like the Horton HO twenty two. That was a real

846
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: secret thing. We know that governments have successfully kept the

847
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: lid on some of their projects, but we'd have to

848
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: ask hard questions about capabilities and later use. Remember the

849
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: atomic bomb was only secret until it exploded, and then

850
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: they had to say, we have an atomic.

851
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Bomb, right guys, Yes, but what about diglock the bell?

852
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, come on, it's like the Nazi death ray was

853
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 6: that it was the idea of a device that could

854
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 6: leverage gravity in in ways that the rest of the

855
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 6: world did not understand.

856
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: The more fanciful tales say it's based on ancient technology

857
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: that was lost. But yeah, I look, we should go

858
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: back to that one.

859
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: Let's see, it's powered by a sacred crystal, you know, yeah.

860
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 5: Just so travel.

861
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 4: Maybe that got you'.

862
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: I like, I like that explanation. Because the big logical

863
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: problem with secret craft is that if if it was

864
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: capable of doing everything that walls and allegedly as colleagues encountered,

865
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 3: then why hasn't it been seen since If this was

866
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: such a force multiplier in combat, then why aren't there

867
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: multiple iterations of this by multiple governments doing some version

868
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: of this. Why do you spend billions of dollars on

869
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: spyplanes that cannot make these maneuvers well?

870
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: Because when you get in one of these things, you

871
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: can pilot it for about forty five minutes and then

872
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: you just get completely from like failure. Yeah yeah, you're done.

873
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Okay. That reminds me. There's a great comic

874
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: book from back in the day called Strikeforce Moratory, and

875
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: the idea is that aliens are real, they're invading, and

876
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: there's a way to give some small percentage of the

877
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: population superpowers. They can fight the aliens for about a year,

878
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: at which point the treatment catches up with them and

879
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: they die, you know, that kind of pyrrhic victory costium bargain.

880
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's interesting. Also. I like the idea

881
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: that of this being a nonlinear time travel device that

882
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: was a test craft and maybe people several hundred years

883
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: or who we can several decades in the future, aren't

884
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: just like, man, I wonder what happened to Derek?

885
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what if you quantum leap time traveled, you know,

886
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: to that moment and artillery fire is hitting you while

887
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: you're in your craft. You're like, wow, Well you fly

888
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: over and this guy in the bunker has a rifle

889
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: and shoots at you, and a bullet goes into your

890
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: time machine and you're like, oh no, and you start

891
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: flashing the lights. You get real angry, and then you

892
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: see a little button down on the console that says

893
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: laser beam, So you just fire that sucker laser beam.

894
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the experience would be not too dissimilar

895
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: from folks flying a helicopter or North Sentinel Islands. You know.

896
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: There you go, right, and I don't know. These are

897
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: again thought experiments. Now this has been proven, but do

898
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: no classify craft exists back then and today, and in

899
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: each instance of an effective use case, that technology doesn't

900
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 3: stay secret forever. Right, there's a limited amount of time

901
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: on it. Last thing and this one is for our

902
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: pals over at Daily Zeitgeist. What if the Easy Company

903
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: experienced something similar to Havana syndrome. What if whatever they saw,

904
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: whatever they experience or collections of things they experienced. What

905
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: if their cultural framework did the explaining for them.

906
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: That would check out if we're to believe the official

907
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 2: Havana syndrome stories.

908
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: Guys, yeah, check out check out the doll Up. They

909
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: did a great I think it was the Dollup did

910
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: a great examination of that.

911
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: No.

912
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

913
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: The Zeit Gang, yes, uh yes, do check them out.

914
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: You can find us making regular appearances on their shows,

915
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: or maybe semi regular appearance. We're recurring characters, you know

916
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: what I mean. We drop by.

917
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 5: We're definitely characters.

918
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: We're definitely characters. We want to hear what you think, folks,

919
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: especially that last that point about whether you have experienced

920
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: or heard tell, as we would say in Tennessee, stories

921
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 3: of similar anomalous, unexplained things in the field of combat.

922
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: You know, like one thing that the thing that got

923
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: me is when in the recent occupation of Afghanistan you

924
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: would hear people describing run ins with strange animals. A

925
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: big world. There's a lot out there. We'd love to

926
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: read your stories, hear your stories, and if you're okay,

927
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: with it, share them with your fellow conspiracy realist. So

928
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: get in touch with us if you've got a tale

929
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: to tell around this digital campfire in the great darkness

930
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three.

931
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes, man, before we get out of here, I just

932
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 2: wanted to tell you quick story. I was down near

933
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: my old house and I went to one of our

934
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: favorite places in the world, Atlanta Vintage Books. Yeah, they've

935
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: got that room in the back that has just the

936
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 2: esoteric stuff, and I found a huge old tone. I mean,

937
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: it is super thick, and it was just the Dictionary

938
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: of Folklore, and there's a bunch of different volumes of

939
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: it from different years, but I found one. I think

940
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: it's from like eighty seven, I don't know, eighty five

941
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: to eighty seven or something like that. I'm gonna bring

942
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: it your way whenever I see you next, just because

943
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: it looks it's just a perfect I know you've got

944
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 2: the stuff in other books, but man, it is. It's awesome.

945
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: I would love it. I would consider that a close

946
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: a huge favor. And also also, you know what, I

947
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: just thought of a weird prank that the three of us,

948
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: well the five of us could do. You're listening along

949
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: at home. How cool would it be? This is such

950
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: a weird thing to do. I don't know if it worked.

951
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 3: How cool would it be to get a book printed

952
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: and either make yourself the author dame or have an

953
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: old timey photograph of yourself somewhere in the book, and

954
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: then age the book up so it looks like it

955
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: was made in you know, the eighteen hundreds or something,

956
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 3: and leave it around for someone to find.

957
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's pretty good forensic level aging. We got

958
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: a guy, We got guys.

959
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 2: Leave it in a cafe somewhere or somewhere that's just

960
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: going to have books on a table somewhere, and people

961
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: look at it. Everyone so and then start frequenting the cafe.

962
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: It'll be like one of those X files cases where

963
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 4: there's like somebody that should not be alive based on

964
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 4: like archival photos they found of them from like one

965
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: hundred years ago.

966
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: I say, no, it must be a relative. There must

967
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 5: be some logical explanation for this, you know, says the

968
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: brass at the FBI. Right cognition, those guys, Yeah.

969
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: So, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, all the hits, conspiracy stuff,

970
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: conspiracy stuff, show some derivation thereof if that doesn't quite

971
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: shoo shoot the lasers through fog? Then why not give

972
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: us a phone call? Also credit credit NOL that line.

973
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 5: Yeah you can.

974
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this line this time about one eight

975
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: three three STDWYTK is the number two call.

976
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: Oh yes, when you call in, do not say your

977
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: real name. Give yourself a cool nickname, a code name

978
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: if you will. You've got three minutes, say whatever you'd

979
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: like besides your real name, and let us know if

980
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on the air.

981
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: If you've got more to say they can fit in

982
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 2: that three minute voicemail message. Why not instead send us

983
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 2: a good old fashioned email.

984
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

985
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

986
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,919
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987
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