Speaker 1: Welcome to another NFL Daily where we missed the hell
Speaker 1: out of Cynthia Freeland.
Speaker 2: Last week.
Speaker 3: We missed you.
Speaker 1: We needed her me, we got her in the studio. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm back in the Chris Wesley podcast studio with my
Speaker 1: friend Cynthia Freeland.
Speaker 2: We missed you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was in London last week. Neil Reynolds stepped in
Speaker 1: and picked games for you. He didn't win a single game,
Speaker 1: he went oh to three. But because we're professional, we
Speaker 1: did get your picks. The listeners are going to just
Speaker 1: have to trust us on this one that you went
Speaker 1: to and one great on your pick.
Speaker 2: Sel.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we can show them the email proof.
Speaker 4: It's not like it's not there.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is absolutely true. You had Washington wrong last week.
Speaker 1: But you got that half a freaking point. Yes, but
Speaker 1: you got the Texans covering easily and the Bears covering easily.
Speaker 1: When I saw your Bears pick, I was like, why
Speaker 1: didn't I take the Bears? I felt so strong about
Speaker 1: that game there in London, and then it happened I
Speaker 1: went too and one as well. I got the Lions
Speaker 1: and the Steelers both covering comfortably and the Giants not
Speaker 1: even coming very close. So two and one for me
Speaker 1: gets me to eight and ten on the season. You're
Speaker 1: nine and nine. My extra picks did poorly last week,
Speaker 1: so I'm down to eleven and six and my extra
Speaker 1: picks we do have a couple. Eleven and six is great,
Speaker 1: still very good, but I went zero and three last week. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start well, I'll let you start every week. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you're new to the show, both Cynthia
Speaker 1: and I, two of the foremost prognosticators in the business,
Speaker 1: picked three games against the spread.
Speaker 4: Okay, for my first pick this week, I would like
Speaker 4: to go with Listen, I'm i woof this one's gonna
Speaker 4: be spicy, but I'm going with the Jets plus one
Speaker 4: and a half. Okay, I think the Jets went out right,
Speaker 4: So if you're gonna also give me another point and
Speaker 4: a half, I will take it.
Speaker 2: I have the Jets winning this game as well.
Speaker 1: On our show debut, which, by the way, people could
Speaker 1: they can dvyards on early Friday mornings on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Morning early if you're on late night specific Saturday, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very early. What do you like?
Speaker 1: Does your model put a DeVante trade into the mix
Speaker 1: and how much does that change anything. Does it put
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson into the mix? Does that change anything there?
Speaker 4: You know, the Russell Wilson thing just added more passes
Speaker 4: with actually added more volatility because the Jets defense is
Speaker 4: very good. And then if you look on the other side,
Speaker 4: Davante Adams has been the reliable option for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: on quick passes basically for ever since they were together, right, So,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it kind of bolstered the Jets odds
Speaker 4: no matter what. And I think the line moved half
Speaker 4: a point with Davante and I'm like, fine, I.
Speaker 2: Don't care, but you moved at another a point or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went over and above, Yes, whatever the movement was.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have them. When I like that, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. But that's not going to be one of
Speaker 1: my three picks I'm going to make. I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to make the mistake of picking the Patriots it
Speaker 1: to cover the spread.
Speaker 3: I have it too.
Speaker 2: Five and a half is okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you got to have a code as someone
Speaker 1: that's picking games, and one of my codes, one of
Speaker 1: my ways I would I do this would be some
Speaker 1: teams just aren't worthy of being heavy favorites and the
Speaker 1: Jaguars are one of those teams like you can put
Speaker 1: any NFL team out there against the Jaguars. I do
Speaker 1: not think they should be a five and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite in any scenario whatsoever, and this is that scenario.
Speaker 1: It's a neutral field game, you could say JAG's home game,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna really matter. I'm sure the Patriots
Speaker 1: fans will actually travel pretty well and it'll be even,
Speaker 1: but it'll be mostly just people enjoying the game.
Speaker 2: It'd be fun atmosphere. They're at Wimbley.
Speaker 1: So giving the Jaguars five and a half points after
Speaker 1: a week where I think Olie Connelly on our recap
Speaker 1: show said it well, watching the sidelines, He's never seen
Speaker 1: a more disconnected team emotionally in his life, and now
Speaker 1: they got to go spend a whole week together in London.
Speaker 1: Everyone's miserable. People think the head coach is gonna get
Speaker 1: fired just sight unseen. I kind of almost like the
Speaker 1: Patriots straight up. I'm not ready to go there because
Speaker 1: the last thing I did before I came in to
Speaker 1: the studio today was watch Patriots Texans and it was
Speaker 1: a reminder this is a bottom five defense. Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: has actually played pretty well the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They're just more talented than the Patriots when their offense
Speaker 1: is on the field against a pretty poor Patriots defense.
Speaker 1: There they're not beginning coach very well, so that maybe
Speaker 1: the Jaguars win this game. But five and a half points.
Speaker 1: With Drake may making some plays last week that was
Speaker 1: he is very volatile, so it could go really well
Speaker 1: and he probably could have some negative plays. But this
Speaker 1: this Jag secondary hasn't made any plays all year.
Speaker 4: I mean, Andre Cisco had like the one good play
Speaker 4: and then there was allegations that he said their team quit.
Speaker 3: So yes, I don't know what's true or not.
Speaker 4: I just know that it looks like a mess and
Speaker 4: that weird hockey line and subbing in thing that the
Speaker 4: Jags are doing up.
Speaker 3: Front watch their defensive front.
Speaker 4: Yes, they like do hockey line substitutions like you know,
Speaker 4: like up first first line, second light like it's it's wild.
Speaker 4: I've never seen you ually see one or two players
Speaker 4: kind of on certain downs coming out and not like
Speaker 4: they're they're like summing out five layers.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the one part of the game that does
Speaker 1: worry me a little. Bit Trayvon Walker has had some
Speaker 1: good games. Josh heinz Allen is still there. Ark armsit's there.
Speaker 1: So that matchup against the Patriots offensive line. But that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why. Just as a little bonus
Speaker 1: on our show game debut for my write this down
Speaker 1: this week, I was like, Drake May over rushing yard
Speaker 1: in total, so that was like twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 1: That's not one of my picks here. I guess it's
Speaker 1: an extra pick. I'm throwing that in the xtra pick
Speaker 1: in the box because he's gonna when I think they're
Speaker 1: telling Drake May. Essentially, if you don't see anything and
Speaker 1: the rush comes quickly, like run dude, and he did it. Well,
Speaker 1: run dude. He is athletic enough to do it. So
Speaker 1: is that going to be one of your three pills?
Speaker 2: Okay? Huh Okay?
Speaker 4: My next one is Washington by seven and a half
Speaker 4: points against Carolina.
Speaker 2: Okay, that that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 2: Explain why?
Speaker 3: Well what I mean?
Speaker 4: Number one, Listen, there's so many good things to like
Speaker 4: about Jayden Daniels, but the one thing I want to
Speaker 4: talk about on the other side of the game is
Speaker 4: the fact that no Jonathan Allen now, and now that's
Speaker 4: going to be difficult to overcome. But I actually have
Speaker 4: seen their defense defending passes a little bit better in
Speaker 4: recent weeks. I'm not gonna call them a good pass defense.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say that they're not going to give
Speaker 4: up a deep play. I'm not gonna say that if
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson plays, he's not gonna get the hands, none
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 3: What I am going to say.
Speaker 4: Is that their ability to contain these chunk plays on
Speaker 4: every single down is limited more than Jayden Daniel's ability
Speaker 4: to create such things on the other side. So I
Speaker 4: think seven and a half, I have them an eleven
Speaker 4: point win. And you know, my pretty conservative. So if
Speaker 4: my model seeing eleven points seven and a half is
Speaker 4: like you know, the big gapes, yeah, I'm way more
Speaker 4: conservative than most models.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I agree with that one too, if I had to
Speaker 1: pick that one. Andy Dalton's playing just well enough that
Speaker 1: you could see him like scoring some late touchdowns and
Speaker 1: make you sweat it. But that defense is just just terrible.
Speaker 1: Jadavin Clowney is still out of practice. Deontay Johnson out
Speaker 1: of practice the first couple of days of the week,
Speaker 1: of his teammates said that he will play.
Speaker 2: Xavier Laget said, well.
Speaker 4: If Xavier Laget says it, it must be true.
Speaker 1: Xavier Legett also says he has if he scores two
Speaker 1: touchdowns in this game, he has like a second part
Speaker 1: of his horse galloping celebration.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been.
Speaker 4: Tracking, but there's a second part.
Speaker 1: He has, the second part that he's ready to unveil,
Speaker 1: but he has to score two touchdowns.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you are saying is unlikely.
Speaker 1: Washington, that's your second pick minus seven and.
Speaker 2: And a half.
Speaker 3: Yep, don't forget that hook.
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm like on the fence of what my
Speaker 1: next couple of picks are going to be. Let's go
Speaker 1: with the one I feel better about. Okay, Seattle plus
Speaker 1: three yep, this is more of a hunch. Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: returns this week. I think he's really important for that defense. Yes,
Speaker 1: they've been getting pushed around in the middle. If he's there,
Speaker 1: he can make everyone around him better. I like the
Speaker 1: extra rest factor. The Seahawks play on Thursday night. Falcons
Speaker 1: off of a normal week like that. The Falcons are
Speaker 1: also the the they can't keep getting away with this team,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like every week it's just like, okay, Falcons,
Speaker 1: like they've won three in a row, the Seahawks have
Speaker 1: lost three in a row. And when sometimes that happens
Speaker 1: and I see two teams that I believe are pretty
Speaker 1: close overall and talent and overall ability, I think, like this,
Speaker 1: those streaks are gonna end. That's how it works out. Now,
Speaker 1: that's not like a statistical way to really look at it,
Speaker 1: but I do think Mike McDonald, their defensive coach, with
Speaker 1: a few extra days to work on it, looks at
Speaker 1: this Falcons offense, which is limited in the passing game,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins every week he can't move. It's the play
Speaker 1: actions not working. You're probably getting Tarrek wollenback for this
Speaker 1: game too, for Seattle. So I like, okay, freaky, he
Speaker 1: switched it. And I know the Falcons like rushing attack
Speaker 1: has been getting a little better, so that worries me somewhat,
Speaker 1: but I think Seattle can throw on them.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Seattle plus three, okay.
Speaker 3: I mean I like all that.
Speaker 4: One thing I really like in this game is a
Speaker 4: dk Metcalf touchdown, who in large part because the go
Speaker 4: route has been where he's been so great, and the
Speaker 4: opportunity here I did see. By the way, it is
Speaker 4: worth noting that Justin Simmons was on the injury report
Speaker 4: for the Falcons. Should that be something that happens, then
Speaker 4: we're gonna want to say, like, maybe look at the
Speaker 4: numbers for Tyler Lockett or Jack Okay, Jigbud, make them
Speaker 4: a little higher. But ultimately I think the go route
Speaker 4: DK metcalf back on track with those games that are
Speaker 4: like three, you know, one hundred plus. He had three
Speaker 4: of those and touch out whatever, So I like a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I also like that he has been the main character
Speaker 1: this week in Seattle, just in the media of everyone
Speaker 1: talking about him coming off of a bad game and
Speaker 1: why it didn't work out, and it's like he's not
Speaker 1: being the squeaky wheel necessarily, but it's that same sort
Speaker 1: of idea of they want to just.
Speaker 2: Get him back on track after being the main character.
Speaker 1: All right, give me your last pick, Cynthia Freelan, I
Speaker 1: know this on fire got back to five hundred.
Speaker 2: Here, let's go.
Speaker 4: This one is going to be someone I know you
Speaker 4: disagree with, so cause I think we need some dissension. Okay,
Speaker 4: read too much and now I'm going to pick Houston
Speaker 4: and I'm going to take a field goal. Thank you
Speaker 4: very much at lambeau Field. I think that this is
Speaker 4: an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Number one.
Speaker 4: A lot of Green Bay's wide receiving corps has ended
Speaker 4: up on the injury report that is number one, including
Speaker 4: Jayden Reid number two. Jordan Love splits when under pressure
Speaker 4: versus not when under pressure. Our massive biggest erosion in
Speaker 4: passer reading this year, like the most touchdowns passes, but
Speaker 4: also like most interceptions. It is it is high risk
Speaker 4: it biscuit whatever that remember.
Speaker 1: That was very no risk it no biscuit. Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: believe it was.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: It was not the name of his book. The name
Speaker 1: of his book was The Quarterback Whisper. And I read it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it, a lot of no risk
Speaker 1: and no biscuit.
Speaker 4: Do you want to know a book I've read, Total
Speaker 4: Access by Rich Eyes.
Speaker 2: That's the only one that's or just you just wanted
Speaker 2: to brag.
Speaker 4: No. I somebody like told me that in order to
Speaker 4: work with Rich I needed They were messing with me
Speaker 4: and they were like, in order to work with Rich
Speaker 4: you need to read his book.
Speaker 1: You know, that's really funny. I've read that book as well,
Speaker 1: and I was not even told that. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a completist. That was even before I
Speaker 1: worked at NFL Network. I believe it's called a Journey
Speaker 1: into the NFL's.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he had hair. Anyways, it was crazy. But
Speaker 4: I'm back to Houston. Yeah, I think this number one
Speaker 4: defense in terms of bringing the heat. They're the best
Speaker 4: rush defense in the league, and they back it up
Speaker 4: with a passer rating allowed being the lowest when they
Speaker 4: get pressure on quarterbacks. So in my estimation here, especially
Speaker 4: with Joe Mixon back in the fold, when they have
Speaker 4: that extra fold in the run game, even without Nico Collins,
Speaker 4: I would like it better if Nico were playing, but
Speaker 4: we don't have that option. This is an opportunity for
Speaker 4: Houston to kind of take that step forward.
Speaker 1: You're the third smart person I've heard make this pick
Speaker 1: in the last hour or two.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I feel like it you might have been.
Speaker 4: It might have been we were in the meeting together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not even counting that meeting.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was listening to a podcast to you,
Speaker 1: like Green Bay minus three was going to be one
Speaker 1: of my picks.
Speaker 2: We were going to go head to head, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: I already was leaning towards jumping off of it, partly
Speaker 1: because I just enjoy watching CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud so much.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best quarterback in the league in
Speaker 1: the pocket right now, and it's so hard to pick
Speaker 1: against him that, even though I do believe Green Bay
Speaker 1: will win and cover the three, to make it one
Speaker 1: of my top three picks, feels a little rich.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: They are missing a lot of defensive starters. Houston potentially,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Ward not expected to play, Kamari Lassiter I think
Speaker 1: is not expected to play. A couple of the linebackers
Speaker 1: are maybe's.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This may be factor makes it. It is tricky, but it
Speaker 1: is tricky. We don't know for sure. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: move me off of that pick. I am going to
Speaker 1: put it in my extra picks. Yeah, put in the box.
Speaker 1: It's there, great, don't put it in the box. The
Speaker 1: box is good.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, going back to what I was saying about, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars don't deserve to be five and a half point
Speaker 1: favorites over anyone. I don't think the Rams deserve to
Speaker 1: be touchdown over anyone. I know the Raiders are bad,
Speaker 1: but the Raiders, like every other week, have this performance
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, like we really we really stunk
Speaker 1: last week. And Antonio Pierce laid into is that we're
Speaker 1: gonna play hard and we're gonna be better on defense
Speaker 1: than you think. And I don't necessarily think they're gonna
Speaker 1: win this game. I would certainly pick the Rams, who
Speaker 1: are maybe getting Cooper Cup back, it's looking positive for
Speaker 1: that they're coming off a bye, but they're a one
Speaker 1: win team getting a touchdown at home, and there's no
Speaker 1: home field advantage in particular when you're playing the Raiders
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Not that that's like informing my decision
Speaker 1: too much, it's well.
Speaker 3: Not for the Raiders, for the Raiders's kind of like that's.
Speaker 1: What I that's what I mean like, But I just
Speaker 1: I don't think their defense is going to be this
Speaker 1: bad all season long. Sean McVay and the Rams have
Speaker 1: just dealing with so many different issues. They've They've changed
Speaker 1: their secondary up, their linebackers are still very vulnerable. The
Speaker 1: Raiders are one of the worst teams in the league,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like a one win Rams team
Speaker 1: does not deserve to be favored by a touchdown over anyone.
Speaker 4: I mean I have them at a touchdowns, So I'm
Speaker 4: kind of like.
Speaker 2: Okay, are on the fence or whatever? All right? That
Speaker 2: that is my third pick. I'm gonna take the Raider.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be bold because i feel like when I've
Speaker 1: not been bold in this segment, what's happened is I've
Speaker 1: taken all my bold picks and I've put them over
Speaker 1: in the in the box, which are my extra picks,
Speaker 1: and those extra picks have been better the box.
Speaker 3: So be spicy on the show, be boring in the box.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So to review our picks, your picks are Washington minus
Speaker 1: seven and a half.
Speaker 2: Yep. You have the Jets winning over the Steelers. Yep.
Speaker 3: But I get one and a half points in case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been it's been moving around there. You get
Speaker 1: one and a half. Houston is a three point underdog
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. So those are Cynthia's picks. I'm taking
Speaker 1: the Pats getting five and a half in London, taking
Speaker 1: the Seahawks getting three in Atlanta, and taking the Vegas
Speaker 1: Raiders getting a touchdown in Los Angeles. So I'm taking
Speaker 1: three underdogs this week, and then just because I like
Speaker 1: to have a little fun, I like it, I give
Speaker 1: people some extra picks. We have it Ravens minus four.
Speaker 1: This is just like I feel like taking the Ravens
Speaker 1: every week at this point, unless they just like proved
Speaker 1: me wrong. This Buccaneers defense has a lot of issues.
Speaker 1: I know you disagree with this one though you had
Speaker 1: the Ravens only by one in.
Speaker 4: This It depends on what happens with like if Mike
Speaker 4: Evans isn't playing, things shift.
Speaker 2: So I don't know this good.
Speaker 4: This one I don't feel great about, like as I
Speaker 4: don't know when you get on the injury report like
Speaker 4: after Wednesday, any you went on the Andrew report on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2: That's it so good. It's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: This offense is just so good that I have a
Speaker 1: hard time seeing Tampa Bay keeping up.
Speaker 2: I have the Packers minus three.
Speaker 1: I gave all the reasons already there, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going Brown's plus five and a half. I had them
Speaker 1: written down last week, and then I crossed them out
Speaker 1: because I just I even said it on the podcast,
Speaker 1: so it didn't count. I was like, I just can't
Speaker 1: in good conscience pick a team yep, run by Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: But even though I really liked them getting nine points
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and you know what they did cover and
Speaker 1: they get Nick Chubb back, So I look at it
Speaker 1: like I'm not picking at Deshaun Watson team.
Speaker 2: I'm picking a Nick Chubb team.
Speaker 1: And this is a division matchup, which the Browns have
Speaker 1: done very well in the Zach Taylor era. They've traditionally
Speaker 1: beaten Zach Taylor's teams, especially in Cleveland. Not that that's
Speaker 1: a huge deal, but I do think division matchups maybe
Speaker 1: make mismatches closer. And I'm just not really all in
Speaker 1: on like this Bengals defense has solved everything.
Speaker 2: So give me five and a half points, I'll take
Speaker 2: the Browns.
Speaker 4: Oh. I don't know if the Bengals defense has solved anything,
Speaker 4: but my I just I, in good conscience, I cannot
Speaker 4: take until the Browns get over a twenty percent third
Speaker 4: down conversion rate, which they haven't done all season long.
Speaker 4: It is nineteen percent. It's up from eighteen percent last week. Great,
Speaker 4: but until they consistently get can convert twenty I'm asking
Speaker 4: for nothing. Twenty percent of your third downs. Huh huh,
Speaker 4: I will give you a touchdown to the other team.
Speaker 4: I just think that is that is not good. I
Speaker 4: have not that is a decidedly un good. No, that's
Speaker 4: terrible Nick Chubb. I guess when it comes twenty five
Speaker 4: saved the day.
Speaker 1: I've been rooting Nick Chubb against this Browns team because
Speaker 1: of the Shawn Watson for years. I feel bad for
Speaker 1: their fans, and so this is I think a week
Speaker 1: where we can celebrate something good happening for the Browns,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be covering five and a half points.
Speaker 4: Be clear, the way that you navigate this for fantasy is, yes,
Speaker 4: you're starting Nick Chubb number one, and yes you're starting
Speaker 4: David and Joku that's number two, okay. And if you're
Speaker 4: in playing a daily format and you're looking for like
Speaker 4: a guy who could potentially have upside but has not
Speaker 4: done anything so far this year, it'd be Jerry Judy.
Speaker 4: So again, I don't I'm not saying for your for
Speaker 4: your season long, it's only Nick Chubb, that is it,
Speaker 4: But or maybe David in joke if you're like really
Speaker 4: bad with a tight end. But if you're playing DFS
Speaker 4: and you want some good contrarian contrarian value, Jerry Judy.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Come for the picks, Come for the picks, Gay Navigation
Speaker 1: for the DFS Fantasy.
Speaker 4: What do you love DFS and Fantasy Man.
Speaker 1: Well, we are not allowed to play DFS as employees,
Speaker 1: but we can give advice.
Speaker 3: Cynthia again, I'm I'm not playing.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying what I would do if I were
Speaker 4: allowed to play.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: If you want more of Cynthia's numbers lot has so
Speaker 1: many numbers, like a billion. She has a model that
Speaker 1: does everything possible. She has a YouTube.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't call it a YouTube page,
Speaker 2: just a YouTube.
Speaker 1: Your YouTube page is called Numbers Game with Cynthia Friland
Speaker 1: and the game show like long preview every week, picking
Speaker 1: the primetime game separately to the Thursday night.
Speaker 2: It is good stuff. It is possible.
Speaker 4: Even this week's game, which was a very very like
Speaker 4: I had to do a little extra digging to make
Speaker 4: it exciting.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's working really hard on that. So people should
Speaker 1: check out Numbers Game with Cynthia Freeland. Check us out
Speaker 1: on game debut. We will be back on NFL Daily
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night with Nick Shook and Patrick claybah I
Speaker 1: went fourteen to o in my straight up picks last week.
Speaker 2: Fourteen to know.
Speaker 1: So when the picks are starting to be right, like
Speaker 1: Cynthia and I, I can feel a hot streak coming.
Speaker 2: You know, football is back. We'll see us sudden