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Speaker 3: All right, we are back, No open nothing, We'll just

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Speaker 3: get right to it.

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Speaker 2: Just get right to it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's the Tuesday after the Sunday that wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it's Paul, let's do seven. We'll be

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Speaker 3: by and yeah, we're gonna talk about it. We got

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Speaker 3: to get it out of our system. Patriots lose Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl sixty just wasn't meant to be. Wasn't meant to be.

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Speaker 3: We got there, but we just couldn't finish it. And

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Speaker 3: Satt'll see, Hawks are the champions and they should be

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Speaker 3: and they deserved it.

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Speaker 2: Ye with a better team for the full sixty minutes. Yep,

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Speaker 2: absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: Some speechless say speechless, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know which way to go now. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 4: the positive way for I mean, what a season, what

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Speaker 4: a season? I mean, before we get into the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl of it all, I was definitely disappointed. I was

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Speaker 4: sitting amongst Seahawks fans. It was a whole different experience

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Speaker 4: for your Boyduce, not being in the press box again,

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Speaker 4: not having Paul and Evan to talk to throughout the game.

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Speaker 4: But after about twenty minutes after the loss, I just

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Speaker 4: was what a thrill ride. This was, how much personality

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Speaker 4: this team had, how much this team got along. It

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Speaker 4: was just so fun. And last week was just such

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Speaker 4: a culmination of all that. I know the game wasn't,

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Speaker 4: but all of the events and as people dug further

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Speaker 4: familiar with this team and how special this team was.

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Speaker 4: Like the Seahawks were awesome and I don't know if

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Speaker 4: anybody's going to stop them this year, but that doesn't

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Speaker 4: get in the way of just a phenomenal Patriots season.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations to everybody who put this team together and competed

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Speaker 4: on the field. It was It was so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I suppose if you're gonna lose a Super Bowl, that's

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Speaker 5: Fred I said the exact same thing, Like it was

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Speaker 5: such a different feeling, like like the Philadelphia one, and

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Speaker 5: like the whole post game is like where was Malcolm Butler,

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Speaker 5: why didn't you play or you know this call you

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Speaker 5: know goes this way that way, and you know the

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Speaker 5: catch by type, none of that.

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Speaker 2: This was kind of none of that for this one.

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Speaker 5: And I think we're gonna, you know, be hearing from

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Speaker 5: what he has to say. We did get in the

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Speaker 5: of packing up and getting started on their offseason, bounced around.

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Speaker 5: Did hear from Drake May again? He said, no surgery,

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Speaker 5: He said, he will not need surgery on the shoulder.

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Speaker 5: Just feels like rest. We'll take care of it. Will

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Speaker 5: Campbell did speak. I know some of our fans probably

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Speaker 2: Apologize for that and.

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Speaker 5: Just kind of said, you know, I was very emotional

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So again I thought Campbell was was really good

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Speaker 5: performance that I wasn't good enough. I'm the fourth overall pick.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm a highly paid player, and I deserve to

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Speaker 6: You make additions to it, and we'll try to do

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Speaker 6: that to this football team. I like the foundation of it,

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Speaker 2: Like we downtime or you just dive right into the offseason.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some you know, get the

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Speaker 7: The changes are inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Sad it's difficult to wrap your head around and when

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Speaker 6: Be uh yeah, I don't know if that's difficult today,

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Speaker 6: and it as always that'll never change, you know.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate what they did and how they.

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Speaker 6: Came together and all the guys that came in from

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Speaker 7: The different path and a different journey than each guy took.

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Speaker 8: What here has to have the game if the Super

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Speaker 8: Bowl experience will be a valuable one for you guys

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Speaker 2: If we understand what we need to do to improve.

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Speaker 9: Having had the chance to reflect on a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what now when you need to do

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Speaker 7: No, not right now.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that this is this is the time

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Speaker 6: we'll continually have to improve. Reflect upon the first Super

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Speaker 6: how difficult this is.

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Speaker 7: I won't won't be easy and never will be. So

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Speaker 7: we'll have a plan. No, that's okay.

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Speaker 10: Want to come to your coaches that you've been Zach

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Speaker 2: How do you think things work out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there'll be a lot of things that we'll have

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Speaker 7: Mike, you knows, you just use the words we know

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Speaker 11: What you thought about this team when you first took

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Speaker 6: Every time you guys ask me about my expectations, I say,

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Speaker 7: But I would say that they.

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Speaker 6: Now that we're done, probably exceeded expectations. I think we

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Speaker 6: Probably the biggest thing is I think we learned how

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Speaker 6: sometimes they're not. Sometimes you have to come from behind,

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Speaker 7: Have you rewatched the game yet? Yeah? Watched it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are there are any occasions where you say, you know,

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think that's the same case in

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Speaker 7: Like I wanted to ask you about Will Campbell, and

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Speaker 4: When he was coming out of the draft, some teams

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Speaker 6: He'll get better, He'll get stronger. Moments where he played well,

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Speaker 7: So I don't what to tell you.

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Speaker 6: Like, who do you guys hope what do you hope

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Speaker 7: What do you hope they learned from that? How hard

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Speaker 6: But you have to start over. So things starts over

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Speaker 6: in ten weeks. The off season program starts in ten weeks.

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Speaker 6: That's how I look at this. And you know, when

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Speaker 6: We have a group of guys who played a lot

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Speaker 6: to talk about the business of the NFL, the businesses,

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Speaker 6: trying to not let that happen. And that's the dynamic

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Speaker 6: and that's the business of the National Football League. Spoon

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Speaker 7: Were you able to see anything that you was talking about?

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's that tell is there every week where

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Speaker 7: Call you nothing.

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Speaker 7: After the game, but I want to thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a wrap on the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel with his closing press conference, and that's possibly

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Speaker 4: It's right, so that as we were walking out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going to change.

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Speaker 3: All that stuff's going to change next next year.

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Speaker 5: And you saw the amount of holes they had. Yep,

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Speaker 3: Why are we already writing off twenty twenty six because

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Speaker 5: I'll give you the line that I that I annoy

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Speaker 5: The Patriots will be a contender next year because they

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Speaker 3: Right right, So so I'm not I'm not dreading next

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just going to be a lot. I

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Speaker 2: I mean that game will already like, let's get well

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Speaker 5: If we just can't schedule so of the bills, I

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna be harder.

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Speaker 2: But you have, like, you have so much going for you.

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Speaker 2: The stretch, who played a whale of a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: not a rookie but a young guy. Yeah, but there

444
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 5: were some other younger guys that that really stepped up.

445
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought up with Whatson for Paul.

446
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: I thought he was excellent. And you know, I think

447
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: November December, I remember talking on the show. Is he good?

448
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 4: Like he's playing a lot, a lot of plays, and

449
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden in the playoffs you start

450
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: to see this rookie safety making plays all over the place.

451
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 4: He was outstanding in the super Bowl. Walking into the

452
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 4: post game party, there were about like three four people

453
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: with all woods and jerseys on, and I'm like, that's

454
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 4: got to be his family. I just said, hey, Woodson

455
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 4: balled out today. Thanks man, appreciate it. I said it

456
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: to him today as well in the locker room. That

457
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 4: to me might be the most exciting takeaway the whole playoffs, that.

458
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 3: Whole defense, the way they played for most of the game.

459
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you can only hold on for so you

460
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: can only hold on for so long. They played really,

461
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: really well. And Gonzo I think might have had his best,

462
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: one of his best games, two brilliant plays. He's going

463
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: into his fourth year yea.

464
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 4: On his fifth year off.

465
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: Well do you just say, listen, let's just extend him now,

466
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: can do that?

467
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: I think you have to do that.

468
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's the priority. And I say, a

469
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: legit edge rusher, be it Max Crosby or somebody else,

470
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: those are the biggest priorities. For me of big spending

471
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 4: and investing, Yeah, those are two spots to start.

472
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, you know.

473
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 5: And I haven't really looked at the free agent lists,

474
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 5: and I know there's not a ton, but I think

475
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 5: they need a number one.

476
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: Wide receiver too.

477
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 5: But you know, in terms of it's just in terms

478
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 5: of a big ticket item, like I don't think that

479
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: will be cheap. Now, you could opt to try to

480
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 5: get a young one. You you could opt to draft one,

481
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 5: you know, the bottom of the first round.

482
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I haven't we just got home.

483
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't dealt into any I think I think

484
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: when it comes to the draft, you know, other than

485
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: the quarterback, we're back to best player available. I mean,

486
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Speaker 3: I really don't think that there's one place where you

487
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 3: can say, oh, they couldn't use an upgrade.

488
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

489
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: I think you can use an upgrade everywhere. And if

490
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: there's a guy that's obviously the best player at a position,

491
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: I think you got to take them, you know.

492
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Speaker 5: But it is another one of the super Bowl itself

493
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 5: is another one of those cliches everybody talked about last year.

494
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 5: You know, the Eagles just just you know, dominated on

495
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 5: both sides of the line, and you know, I was

496
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 5: I was a little I mean, the Patriots offense obviously

497
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 5: had its struggles throughout the postseason, so I wasn't overly

498
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 5: surprised that that happened on offense. I was surprised that

499
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 5: the Patriots could not stop the run.

500
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Speaker 9: In this game.

501
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 5: I did not expect. I didn't anticipate. I would have

502
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: thought if, if, if Seattle was going to win this

503
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: game fairly easily, then Sam Donald would have had one

504
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 5: of his better games.

505
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: He didn't. He was pretty average.

506
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 5: I thought he missed a lot of easy throws that

507
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 5: were wide open. I thought he was laid on a

508
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: lot of throws, and then a couple of times they

509
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 5: had he was victimized by drops.

510
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: But the run. I was not expecting Kenneth Walker to.

511
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: Be that What was his numbers in the first half,

512
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: ninety four yards him?

513
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 5: I thought he had ninety four yards in the first half,

514
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 5: and he finished with what was it.

515
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: One thirty five? Yeah, five yards, five yards, But.

516
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: They weren't letting him in the end zone, you know,

517
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: so like that was the kind of game you're like, okay,

518
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, you get a couple sevens, trade them for threes.

519
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: That's the way you wanted to go. But the offense

520
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: just didn't do its part. No, it didn't do its part.

521
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: And every Super Bowl that I've ever watched since I

522
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: was a kid, where one team dominates another, it's because

523
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: their line dominates, and their defensive line dominated our offensive

524
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: line and we just couldn't do anything. Super Bowl forty two,

525
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: I mean that to me, That's what I was watching

526
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: it everything. It's when Denver beat Carolina. It's the when

527
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: my old Denver team would lose. It's because their line

528
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: got dominated by some by some NFC team. That's that's

529
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: when you get these lopsided Super Bowls, when you lose

530
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: the trenches badly.

531
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Speaker 4: When we were on Radio Row, Mike Rees said something

532
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: that I was kind of disappointed. I hadn't really thought

533
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: about enough, and he said, pointed out the veteran leadership

534
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: on that defensive line, the DeMarcus Lawrences of the world,

535
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: the Leonard Williams, the guys that had been around for

536
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: a while. And maybe it was over simplifying it, but

537
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 4: when he said those things, I'm like, those guys are

538
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: gonna come to play, and the rookies and old Morgan

539
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: like you know, the old lineman and the new lineman,

540
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: they all had to play up to that level and

541
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: they couldn't. And it's it's not all that surprising. Remind

542
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: me of someone of the Patriots defense when you just

543
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: had a bunch of dudes who have been here, they

544
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: are here to win a Super Bowl. This is their time.

545
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: These veterans, they get they were outstanding. You know, what

546
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 4: are you gonna do?

547
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Speaker 3: Yep, hi Evan, Hello, how you doing?

548
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? Just okay? Yeah? Have you come to grips

549
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: with it?

550
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: Are you still trying to figure this out?

551
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

552
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Speaker 14: It's not even so much about the result of the game.

553
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 17: I just like going to the combine in two weeks

554
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 17: like this is like I had never done this one before,

555
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 17: so this will be fun. Uh quick turnaround and you know,

556
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 17: a lot to digest from the game and then a

557
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 17: lot to get to moving forward.

558
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: But that'll help, it'll help you get back into it.

559
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Speaker 17: Honestly, you don't have any time to well on it.

560
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 17: I'm not dwelling on it too much. I mean, like

561
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 17: when you lose to a better team, there's not much

562
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 17: really to dwell on.

563
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 14: And that's what we saw.

564
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Speaker 17: So I mean there are some things that certainly, I

565
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 17: thought the Patriots didn't do very well in this game

566
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 17: that was uncharacteristic of them. That was disappointing. I would say. Offensively,

567
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 17: they just had no plan for pressure whatsoever, which was

568
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 17: very frustrating to watch back yesterday where they're bringing the

569
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 17: same nickel blitz over and over again and they just

570
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 17: aren't blocking it over and over again, and you're just like,

571
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Speaker 17: how could it Josh McDaniels coordinated offense get beat by

572
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 17: the same scheme four or five six times.

573
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 14: Defensively, they missed eighteen tackles in this game.

574
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 17: There's like four or five opportunities behind the line of

575
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 17: scrimmage to sack Sam Darnold that Milton Williams and Jalen

576
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 17: Hawkins and guys just missed.

577
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Speaker 14: So I thought offensively there was a mess defense.

578
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 17: They there are plays there to be made, and they

579
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 17: were making them the first three playoff games, and they

580
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 17: just didn't make them on Sunday. You know, plays that

581
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 17: could have flipped the game potentially in their favor. You know,

582
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 17: Chase On you know, gets free off the edge and

583
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 17: it's just a split second too late and Donald's arms

584
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 17: moving forward. So that's an incomplete pass instead of a fumble.

585
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 17: But against Houston or against you know, Denver, that's it.

586
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 17: That's has been a strip sack and and those are

587
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 17: the types of plays that might maybe would have turned

588
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 17: the tide.

589
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear that, And I do think that there

590
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: were defensive plays. I saw those mistackles. I saw guys

591
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: flash by Donald and just miss them.

592
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: But I think I just can't put it on the defense.

593
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, defense punted the first eight times you

594
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: had the ball, right, you got it, you got it.

595
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 14: I didn't think they played well on either side.

596
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: Of the I don't think they played as well as

597
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: the defense is getting credit for.

598
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 17: Christian Gonzales and Craig Woodson played at Woodson was unbelievable

599
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 17: in this game and in the I think there were

600
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 17: two specific pass breakouts by Gonzales that were just extraordinary.

601
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Speaker 5: Now that said, I think they were both on Donald.

602
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 5: I think Donald had a guy and I'm not even

603
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: telling you Gonzalez got beat. I think the slant to

604
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: JSN and the goal line was just Laton behind him

605
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 5: and unbelievably athletic dive and pass breakup on the deep ball,

606
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: which is Shaheed that he had. That's just like, that's elite.

607
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 5: That's an elite breakout.

608
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 14: One of the best cornerback players of the season.

609
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Just elite.

610
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 5: And there's there's some great I mean, I know people

611
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: don't want to see them now, but there's some great

612
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 5: photos of that of that play. Yeah, that's an exceptional

613
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Speaker 5: athlete making.

614
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: A play in space.

615
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Speaker 5: But but I do think Donald, like he had some

616
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Speaker 5: of those plays.

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Speaker 2: I kind of agree with Evan.

618
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Speaker 5: I think Donald was the reason that they were getting

619
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: held to three instead of getting the seven more often

620
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 5: than not.

621
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Speaker 4: Did you feel like he got sped up? Do you

622
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: feel like he No, I just feel like.

623
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: I just felt like I just felt.

624
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: Like you're just sending the zero blitz is and it's off.

625
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: But I felt like, but that's the point, you know, like, yeah,

626
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: there's going to be a guy there.

627
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like he looked like sped up

628
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: to me.

629
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 5: I just felt like he was just missing easy the

630
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: couple the Cooper Cup with the sticks like easy outs,

631
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: like like pitch and catch kind of throws that he

632
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: was throwing way to the outside. Maybe, I mean, maybe

633
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: maybe it was pressure. They did get pressure in this game.

634
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: No, it seemed like that was just we're going after him.

635
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: And I thought that was the one area that I

636
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: thought defensively was really good. I thought they got consistent pressure.

637
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 5: They just like Evan said, they weren't getting sacks.

638
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 14: It just as they didn't make the game change the play.

639
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 17: And I think that's what a lot of the players

640
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 17: talked about after the game on defense. It wasn't that

641
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 17: they felt like they were the reason why they lost

642
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 17: the game or anything like that, but.

643
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 14: They needed they left the field, they needed to.

644
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 17: Turn Seattle over and they weren't able to turn them over.

645
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 17: And they had probably three or four opportunities to do

646
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 17: it and they weren't able to do it. And uh,

647
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 17: you know, offensively, it was obviously why they lost.

648
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 14: But I didn't think the defense made enough plays either.

649
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 4: I just red zone. I mean, I was happy that

650
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: they got stops in the red zone. I mean that

651
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: was critical and that was the part of their game

652
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: that's stunk all year.

653
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: And it's one for four on paper, where it's really

654
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: kind of one for.

655
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: Six because they had a couple of other field goals

656
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: that were just outside the red zone. And again I

657
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 5: just put it more on Donald. I don't think Donald

658
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: was was great in this game. Yeah, and I you know,

659
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 5: I'm happy for I mean Patriots stuff aside, I'm happy

660
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: for his redemption story. I think sometimes these guys get

661
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: you know, the crap kicked out of them when it.

662
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Speaker 2: Doesn't go great for them early in their career.

663
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: And you know, guys like him and Baker Mayfield and

664
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: Gino Smith have sort of resurrected themselves and bounced back

665
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: from that. I think that's commendable. But I don't think

666
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: he played his game. Was the NFC Championship he did.

667
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: If he played like he did against the Rams in

668
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: this game, yeah, I'd.

669
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 17: Give a defense some credit on some of the director

670
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 17: of the red zone stops and stuff like that, and.

671
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: Especially especially against the run in the red zone.

672
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 17: Yeah, and they they were good statistically. They just you know,

673
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 17: Kenneth Walker had five explosive runs. You know that that

674
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 17: were big plays in the game on a game that

675
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 17: didn't have a lot of offense. You know, that's kind

676
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 17: of reminded me of Super Bowl fifty three with Julian

677
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 17: Edelman right where he was just in.

678
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 14: A defensive game.

679
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 17: He was the best offensive player in a defensive game

680
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 17: for either team. You know, those runs were big, but Seattle,

681
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 17: you know, this is one of their worst offensive performances

682
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 17: on like a per play basis of the season.

683
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: That's funny because Donald said that like right after the game,

684
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 5: like it's amazing, Like you're you're like two questions into

685
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: an on field because well, you know, we won the

686
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 5: Super Bowl in all, but.

687
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: We didn't play very well offensively today.

688
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 17: Yeah, they actually averaged fewer yards per play than the

689
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 17: Patriots did.

690
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to get into offensive comparison.

691
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: The Patriots had about two hundred and sixty fourth quarter.

692
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: No, Xema doesn't even want that.

693
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 14: Makeup for how horrible the Patriots offense was.

694
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 17: The numbers like are not that far off, which tells

695
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 17: you that the Seahawks offense wasn't all that great either.

696
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 17: You know, I think the most frustrating part about the

697
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 17: Patriots offense was just I thought that there were a

698
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 17: handful of times.

699
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 14: Or there was open receivers and they just couldn't block it.

700
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 14: They you know, they were just either not.

701
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 17: Blocking it or may missed maybe four or five throws

702
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 17: that he'd probably want to have back. And it was

703
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 17: just a combination of those two things where I really

704
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 17: did not watch this tape and thought the receivers were

705
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 17: getting you know, strapped by Seattle Secondary and there was

706
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 17: no place to go with the ball. I mean, there

707
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 17: certainly were a few plays like that, but there are

708
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 17: a few plays like that in every single game.

709
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: The one that really frustrated me that was the third

710
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: and one and they and I was.

711
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: Like, take a shot, take a shot, take a shot.

712
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: And they did, and they had like a you know,

713
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: maybe a twenty yard completion that was there and just

714
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: missed them. Douglas was open on that play, and I

715
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: didn't think it was an overly difficult throw.

716
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: What do you think about it?

717
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: It seemed like Douglas was getting more attention this game,

718
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: like more plays going to Douglas, he was getting more reps.

719
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: Well. I saw him lined up on a memory a

720
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 4: couple of times, which I thought was maybe they're trying

721
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: to test test, you know, and a small, quick guy,

722
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 4: I mean.

723
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 5: Did a really good job in that wheel Road the

724
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 5: second player of the second half.

725
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: I think it was might have been the first play.

726
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 14: Pop was open the entire game.

727
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, not on that play, which I think that they

728
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: would dial in something up coming out of the halftime

729
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 5: with him, and I think it was him and then

730
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 5: Henderson with something they they wanted to get to the edge,

731
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: and I give the Seahawks credit, they sniff sniffed both

732
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 5: of those out.

733
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 14: He threw it as the one on the back shoulder.

734
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: You mean it was down the sideline in front of

735
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots bench.

736
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 17: Yeah, he drake through it as a back shoulder and

737
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 17: Pop tried to adjust to it. But it doesn't have

738
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 17: the biggest catch radios, so it just didn't happen.

739
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 14: But there was like.

740
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 17: Fot look right, there was like four or five times

741
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 17: on the on the film where pop Is opened deep

742
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 17: and they.

743
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Just well I saw what you saw.

744
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 3: But what was going on with May at that time,

745
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: Like he's under pressure?

746
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 17: Yeah right, so like yeah, you know, but if they

747
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 17: were able to block it up, then I think they

748
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 17: would have had opportunities, you know, against even like he

749
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 17: ran on a sixteen yard scramble on third down in

750
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 17: the fourth quarter that you know, moved the chains and everything.

751
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 17: Pop is he's remains a thrower a little bit longer.

752
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 17: It's that might be a touchdown if he sees them

753
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 17: down the field. You know, There's a lot of that

754
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 17: going on. I just it was very disappointing that that

755
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 17: they got out coached as badly as they did on offense.

756
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: Now you say out coached just because they couldn't scheme

757
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: up protection enough or.

758
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 17: Yeah, I just thought that their their whole pressure plan

759
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 17: was out of I don't even know what it was,

760
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 17: to be honest with you. I mean, they there was

761
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 17: just too many instances where there is free runners at

762
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 17: may like they're they're just bringing overloading a side of

763
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 17: the protection. And like when you talk about blitzes and

764
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 17: protections and stuff, you have two kind of obvious ways

765
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 17: to go about it. You can either scheme up something

766
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 17: to throw hot and get the ball out of the

767
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 17: quarterback's hands by throwing behind the blitz underneath the defense,

768
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 17: or you can try to load up on blockers and

769
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 17: bring six seven guys in and try to block it

770
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 17: and then take shots out of blocking it that way,

771
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 17: because you're gonna have the one on ones on the outside.

772
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 17: And they just kind of were left without an either answer.

773
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 17: They didn't they weren't blocking it. You know, they were

774
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 17: sending guys down the field against blitzes and there's nobody

775
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 17: in the block for it. And there's three vertical routes

776
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 17: that he's looking at, and it's like, well, where's he

777
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 17: supposed to think that.

778
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Seattle just did a really good job of disguising what

779
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: they were going to do and just doing what we

780
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: didn't think they were going to do in certain situations,

781
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: like if we if their defense did what we thought,

782
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: we would have had it blocked. But they just seemed

783
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: to be out guessing us or you know, because like

784
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: we went through this whole season and it.

785
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Never looked that bad. Yeah, I mean, well the Texans

786
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: looked pretty.

787
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: Bad against other opponents of the Seahawks. This is kind

788
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: of what they do.

789
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I made of the best blitzing defense in football.

790
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: They are, but like teams were able to score some

791
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: points on them. I mean we I mean, let let's

792
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: face it, were they if it wasn't until the end.

793
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 14: Like number one we were in defense in the NFL.

794
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: They were the number one scoring defense. So the Rams

795
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: scored on him. The Rams scored on him.

796
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: They allowed thirty twice. Yeah, once the Rams want to

797
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay.

798
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I was all I wanted was in the twenties.

799
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't need thirty. Well, well they don't allow twenty.

800
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: They allowed seventeen.

801
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 17: But it's also just you know, I would have taken

802
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 17: that too either way. And I you know, McDonald deserves

803
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 17: a lot. He's a great play caller, and he does

804
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 17: when to time it up. He knows when, uh, you

805
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 17: know where the weaknesses are and protections, you know, things

806
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 17: of that nature. I mean, they were just they were

807
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 17: just blitzing the crap out of the B gap. Like

808
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 17: they were just sending two guys right through the B gap.

809
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 17: The back can only take one, so there's just always

810
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 17: going to be somebody unblocked every single time. So, like

811
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 17: I said, you know, you just there's way there are

812
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 17: answers to these things that offenses have, there's tools to

813
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 17: solve it. Now, is that Drake may pre snap recognizing

814
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 17: that things are coming and getting into protections. Is that systemically,

815
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 17: like they're you typically a system that wants to block

816
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 17: it rather than throwing hot against unblocked rushers. So like,

817
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 17: is that a communication thing, pre snap and identification thing.

818
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 17: Is that flaw with the system that they need to

819
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 17: look at? Maybe yeah, throwing hot more because I thought

820
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 17: in the fourth quarter, even though it was a little

821
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 17: bit too late at that point, he hit Remandre in

822
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 17: the flat for thirteen yards. He hit Kyle Williams on

823
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 17: a speed out against the same pressures that they had

824
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 17: been bringing. So it was too late at that point,

825
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 17: but they did start to find some answers to it late,

826
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 17: So you know, that was to me was them throwing

827
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 17: hot against the blitzes though, and not having him try

828
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 17: to block it. So, like I, whatever the it is,

829
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 17: they didn't have one right, so you got to come

830
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 17: up with a better solution.

831
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: I just think the guys are better than our guys.

832
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 14: I mean, there's nobody there to block the guy.

833
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: I do think both things can be true.

834
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 5: Like you know, I wouldn't necessarily push back on Evan

835
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 5: saying that they didn't get out coached, because I think

836
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: they did. And I wouldn't push back on someone and say, well,

837
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 5: what do you expect Josh to do? The other guy

838
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 5: just had more talent. I think that's accurate too. Sometimes

839
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: both things can be true.

840
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 17: When if you're talking about the four man rushes, and

841
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 17: I'm with you, you have five guys, they have four,

842
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 17: and they're getting home with four man rushes.

843
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 14: That's a problem. They had an eighty six percent pressure

844
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 14: rate when they blitzed in this game.

845
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, they hit.

846
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 5: Every single long But I also think like there was

847
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 5: one particular blitz that and I know Witherspoon blitz like

848
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: four or five times, and I think he got picked

849
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: up once. Those are the one, but there was one

850
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: in particular that he came and it looked like his

851
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 5: timing was way off and he was late, and that's

852
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: usually danger zone for the defense. But he zigzagged like

853
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 5: with an athleticism that I don't think there's just anybody does.

854
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 5: I think he a good player and has a knack

855
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: for that. I think you know, when you get into

856
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 5: open space like that and you find a way to

857
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 5: get to the quarterback and you got home.

858
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: Now. I also think.

859
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: And people don't want to talk about this, but also

860
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: something that Evan said is really true, Like some of

861
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 5: this stuff is on Drake.

862
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.

863
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 5: I thought he held the ball a little bit early

864
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 5: in the game, yep. And I don't think he was

865
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: seeing it quickly enough. And I do think, like like

866
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: Evan made, and I know exactly the two players you're

867
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: talking about, they got to him immediately on that little

868
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 5: swing to Remondre Stevenson. And again I'm dismissing the play

869
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 5: because of when it happened, but there were probably other

870
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: opportunities to do stuff like that that I don't think

871
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: he looked like, no, right, you know, well no, I

872
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: mean this drive chart is unbelievable.

873
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: I agree that he held the ball.

874
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 5: They had seventy eight yards in the first three quarters.

875
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 5: Like the longest drive was the first drive of the

876
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: game for twenty eight yards.

877
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 17: Yeah, and I got that drive though, is the drive

878
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 17: that was the way they had to play It was

879
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 17: a six yard run on first down. They got two

880
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 17: yards on second down and a little flat you know,

881
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 17: ball on the flat to Ramandre Stevenson first down and

882
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 17: just keep on chipping away at it.

883
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 14: And the other thing that I thought.

884
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 17: It was first outs was just bizarre was how little

885
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 17: they've they've featured the backs in this game. Like I

886
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 17: thought they were running the ball a little bit on them,

887
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 17: not for big plays, but I was keeping them on

888
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 17: schedule so that they weren't in third and fifteen, and

889
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 17: they were like chipping away with the run game with Remandre,

890
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 17: like he was grinding out some tough yards between the

891
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 17: tackles that were making it second and five instead of

892
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 17: second and fifteen.

893
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: He played Welldre.

894
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 17: Yeah, Henderson had a seven yard run. He had a

895
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 17: nine yard run on a little toss play. They ran

896
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 17: a nice shovel rpo shovel.

897
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: They both averaged three yards of carriage.

898
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, but that's the team you're going up against. Like,

899
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 17: you're not gonna be if you get into long down

900
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 17: and distances against Seattle, that's when Devin Witherspoon's coming through that.

901
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: I think they were getting in some of those with

902
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: some some stuffed runs early in some of the hissions.

903
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 5: I just don't think they had any answers for anything

904
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 5: Seattle was doing.

905
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: But I don't put it like I don't know, maybe I'm.

906
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: Just too defensive of Josh, Like maybe I know I

907
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 5: am a little bit too.

908
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: But I think what's troubling is I mean the Witherspoon

909
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: blitzing was kind of their twist, right, Like, this wasn't

910
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: something that they did him specifically.

911
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: But they may look so they talk so much about

912
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: all the games.

913
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: That, right, but I just may look unaware of him,

914
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: unaware of him when he's coming through. He's not even

915
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: looking his way and that like, so you know, and

916
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: I just I go back to is he calling out

917
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: the right protection? Is he calling out the right mics like,

918
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: but I see the same things that you guys saw

919
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: with the blitzing, and they're blitzing him off and Pop's

920
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 4: got nobody on him.

921
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: You just stopped turning around.

922
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: What I love to see next year is is those

923
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: pressure beaters where when you're up against the team that

924
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: you know has the advantage getting the ball out of

925
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: your quarterback's hands, giving him options to be able to

926
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: do that.

927
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: We just don't seem to be We haven't.

928
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: Been able to do it all year.

929
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been a problem.

930
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: It's becoming apparent what you know, when Drake's off his

931
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: game at this stage in his career, what it looks like.

932
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: And this was some of the stuff we saw in

933
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: the summer where he's drifting a little bit into pressure,

934
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: he's looking the wrong way, and Seattle seem to have

935
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 4: a beat on those things, and we're able to expose it.

936
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 17: There's a lot of, you know, pros and cons to

937
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 17: doing it, you know, either way. You know, a lot

938
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 17: of the West Coast coaches, my guy Kyle Shanahan, a

939
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 17: lot of those guys, they just throw hot against blitzes.

940
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 17: They don't worry about the quarterback trying to get up

941
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 17: there and be a chess master and move guys around

942
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 17: and protect it and all this different stuff. They just

943
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 17: have pre programmed hot routes within the concept, right, and

944
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 17: that's how they do it, you know, typically, and I

945
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 17: don't know one hundred percent that this is how they

946
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 17: do They only do it this way or that way.

947
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 17: But typically with McDaniels, they've always been a let's change

948
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 17: the play at the line of scrimmage to block it

949
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 17: instead of let's react to it post snap.

950
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 14: But when you have a twenty three year old quarterback.

951
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 17: Who's only in his second season, he's not Tom Brady like,

952
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 17: he's not going to get to the line of scrimmage.

953
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 17: And you know the quarterbacks that had success against Seattle,

954
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 17: our thirty seven year old Matthew Stafford, who can get

955
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 17: to the line of scrimmage and kind of get a

956
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 17: feel for what they're in and see the.

957
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 14: Right and do it that way.

958
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 17: So I think that Drake may plays better when he's

959
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 17: confident the ball's coming out.

960
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: I'd like to dictate on offense instead of react. And

961
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, even if they don't bring pressure, having those

962
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: quick plays, you know, timing plays, getting the ball out

963
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: of the quarterback's hands quickly, keeps the defense on their heels,

964
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: sets up longer shots, sets up the run play. You know,

965
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: I think though that those quick, high percentage passes in

966
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: today's day and age are actually you're kind of good

967
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: run plays that set everything else up.

968
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: Well you need.

969
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I honestly believe in what Dante Scarneki has said,

970
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: every quarterback needs his binkie, and to me, the biggie

971
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: is someone that you can always rely on to get open. Yeah.

972
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: You know, I kind of been thinking about as a

973
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 4: guy like Colston Loveland. I think that's the kind of

974
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: guy that, like Drake, I feel like would love a

975
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 4: big lane, athletic tight end with a big catch radius,

976
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 4: like like you know, a tight end versus Mac Collins.

977
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, a little disappointment Collins a

978
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: little disappointed. Maybe he kind of was a tight end thicker,

979
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: but that was kind of disappointed with Hunter Henry and

980
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: I mean this playoffs and I just feel like, you know,

981
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: is this a sign he's over thirty? Hooper's a free agent,

982
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 4: that's a spot to me, I agree with what Paul said,

983
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 4: get definitely, but like there's no question they need to

984
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: probably talk about Isaiah likely a little bit this offseason.

985
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 4: But if you could get an elite kind of mover

986
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 4: with a big catch radius, somebody that Drake likes, that

987
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: that could be the big and he's he's.

988
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Got to work on his accuracy to under pressure. A

989
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: couple of throws too, you know Hooper twice ye throws.

990
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 14: One of them to Hooper was a bad route, but

991
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 14: I don't know which one of the other.

992
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: One there was one that he was he one in.

993
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 14: From his own end zone was a bad and the

994
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 14: route was not.

995
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, that's I think that's the one.

996
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: I'm thinking to stop just writing a little flag out.

997
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing, all right.

998
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: Eighty five to five Pass five hundred is the hotline

999
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address. Let's

1000
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: get to it. Let's see what everyone has to say.

1001
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone needs to uh get a little therapy here,

1002
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 3: get some stuff off their chest. Let's keep it clean.

1003
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm only kid herms in DC. What's herm? You're first?

1004
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 7: What's going on? Fella?

1005
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Hey?

1006
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 18: I don't know.

1007
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 13: I could think of so many different directions.

1008
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: But we have a lot of people waiting yeah.

1009
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 13: I guess that was disappointed in really the coaches because

1010
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 13: it didn't seem like they were they hadn't.

1011
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Ready to play.

1012
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 18: I mean your points to three quarters, that's that's I mean, that's.

1013
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 13: Not really producing to win a super Bowl game. But

1014
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 13: I guess my question is big picture and if you

1015
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 13: guys talk about it over, I guess what positions we

1016
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 13: need to be addressed? There is a off season or

1017
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 13: two obviously take the next step, all.

1018
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, like I said, there's a lot of them.

1019
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: I mean, right now everyone's focused on the line and

1020
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: left tackle. So let's let's let's address the elephant in

1021
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: the room is is will Campbell your left tackle for

1022
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six?

1023
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Forget about the twenty six Mike Rabel just told you,

1024
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: But what do you think should he be?

1025
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 7: Yes?

1026
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I do think you should be a to

1027
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 5: give him more time, like Mike said. But also, b

1028
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 5: you just acquired two tackles in twenty five. You drafted

1029
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: one at four and you signed it free agent. And

1030
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: Morgan Moses, Morgan Moses is probably going to need to

1031
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: be replaced soon, sooner rather than later. If you wanted

1032
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 5: to draft a tackle, maybe in the second round.

1033
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

1034
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: I haven't delved into this, not to it's actually not

1035
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 5: to jump on Evans like I tackle class like it's

1036
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 5: maybe thirty one.

1037
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 17: I don't think you're going to draft the tackle that's

1038
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 17: gonna be better Will Campbell at thirty one.

1039
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: What I'm saying for like maybe the you know, a

1040
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 5: potential replacement on the right side, and then you so

1041
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: you you go in, you have some depth here to

1042
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 5: fill in, and then you figure out definitively in twenty six,

1043
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 5: if it looks the same as it did this year,

1044
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: then I would be I would strongly think about making

1045
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 5: a move for twenty seven. If you show significant improvement

1046
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: this year, you know, in twenty six, then you say, great,

1047
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: we were patient and we knew this guy was the

1048
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: player that we drafted at four, and you go forward

1049
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 5: with it.

1050
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 17: I know there's gonna be a lot of questions about

1051
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 17: needs and target players to target and stuff like that,

1052
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 17: But I think the most important part right now is,

1053
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 17: like what happened offensively that led them to averaging twelve

1054
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 17: points a game less in the playoffs than they did

1055
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 17: in the regular season. Was it just the competition was

1056
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 17: so elite that they just got bogged down.

1057
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 14: Was it injury? You know Campbell with his need you know,

1058
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 14: Greig May with his shoulder, was it?

1059
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 17: They need more talent, they need upgrades? Is it like

1060
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 17: right like right now?

1061
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 7: You know?

1062
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 14: Is it system?

1063
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: I want to build an offense that plans on facing

1064
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: an elite defense every week, right, and you're not going

1065
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: to score thirty points every week, but to have some

1066
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: type of you know, plan or defense against a good defense.

1067
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

1068
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 17: They just need to do you know, the autopsies right

1069
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 17: now is the most important part, Like why did they

1070
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 17: drop off so big offensively in the playoffs? And before

1071
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 17: we start talking about moving Campbell or you know, acquiring

1072
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 17: number one wide receivers and using a big asset on that, like,

1073
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 17: they need to figure out what they feel like was

1074
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 17: the main reasons that they only average sixteen points a

1075
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 17: game in the playoffs. And I don't care who you're playing,

1076
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 17: that's not going to be good enough, you know. And

1077
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 17: so it didn't catch up to them until the Super Bowl,

1078
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 17: but most likely in the future it will catch up

1079
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 17: to them sooner than that.

1080
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to play better teams next year,

1081
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 3: which on paper we will, it will catch up to

1082
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 3: them sooner. So I think I think part of a

1083
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: lot of it is Drake. I don't I think I

1084
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 3: don't think he's fully baked yet. I think he still

1085
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: needs time in the oven.

1086
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 5: He had six touchdowns and four picks. Yeah, in seven fumbles.

1087
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 4: I mean it was sacked a record NFL record twenty

1088
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: one times.

1089
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 5: Sacked twenty one times, and you know, his completion percentage

1090
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 5: was under sixty percent four games, So you could just say, well,

1091
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 5: postseason sometimes that's the sceiving gets a that's a four

1092
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 5: game snapshot.

1093
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: It's clock needs to speed up.

1094
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 5: So I think Evan's point is dead on, Like, you

1095
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 5: need to figure out why was it ess Drake.

1096
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Was it a combination of protection in Drake?

1097
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 5: Was he not setting the right protections where the guy's

1098
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: not blocked, Like there was one sack that.

1099
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: Wilson just got walked right back into May.

1100
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 5: And I also thought that was a sack that I

1101
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: was really stunged that May took like that he didn't

1102
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: see that walked right into his lap and then he

1103
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 5: you know, it was like and then he gets sacked.

1104
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 5: So it's probably a combination of a variety of things.

1105
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 5: Evan's point is right. You need to find out the

1106
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 5: whys that you went sixteen points basically twenty one. They

1107
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: scored twenty eight, but that was a pick six with

1108
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones sixteen, twenty one, ten and thirteen in your

1109
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: in your playoff games, and really two of those sevens

1110
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 5: were defensive, right.

1111
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: It's just no easy decisions on the offensive line and

1112
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: the fact that Vrabel said Will Campbell's are left tackle.

1113
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm positive now about that team.

1114
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: I love Morgan Moses to your point, Paul, can we

1115
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: count on him next year? Another year older to play

1116
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: every game. Michael Winn's making a lot of money. Do

1117
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: they feel like he is the right value for what

1118
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 4: they need? Garrett Bradberry was great this year.

1119
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: I think I got to keep it, but he.

1120
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: Got Bradberry had a tough time in this one too,

1121
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: and we know he's been up and down praise for

1122
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: his leadership though. And then Wilson might be the air

1123
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: apparent at that so I just I'm not sure where

1124
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 4: you start, like.

1125
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 17: You that's a tricky part of his center because I

1126
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 17: think the best thing to do would be to move

1127
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 17: Jared Wilson back to center and then sign a left

1128
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 17: guard that dude like should have been Joe Toney. It

1129
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 17: was you know, someone that is a veteran that can

1130
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 17: play next to Campbell and can help Campbell.

1131
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 14: You know, through all of this type of stuff.

1132
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: It's a good point.

1133
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 17: But if you're gonna do that is Garrett Bradberry out.

1134
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 17: Is Jared Wilson now not a starter next year? You know,

1135
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 17: like do you make that a camp battle between two

1136
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 17: guys that you really like and like don't want to

1137
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 17: you know, I know it's not the boy scouts right now.

1138
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: Where Jared Wilson should be in twenty twenty six.

1139
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 17: I would hope that they see him still as a center.

1140
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 17: I just think that his issue is his body type,

1141
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 17: his issues against anchoring, against power.

1142
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 14: I think he's a naturally center.

1143
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 3: I hope that they agree or don't agree and make

1144
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: and know right now this is his position. Well, I

1145
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: wonder that I don't want to be finding out.

1146
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 5: The big thing to me would be Bradbury, Like what

1147
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 5: do they feel about bradbar.

1148
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: Yep, make him a super sub.

1149
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 14: He's only ever played center.

1150
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: He's only played center. Yeah, okay, well Ben Brown's you're

1151
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: super so yeah.

1152
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 17: I just I wonder if maybe, and maybe it might

1153
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 17: be you know, too picky in terms of type, but

1154
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 17: like you know, there is a way that if you

1155
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 17: can get like the right kind of left guard to

1156
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 17: play next to Will Campbell, that that could really help

1157
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 17: Will Campbell out a lot. You know, a guy that's

1158
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 17: a little bit wider, that takes up a little bit

1159
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 17: more space, it's a little stronger, you know, all those

1160
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 17: types of things that could really help him out a ton.

1161
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 17: But then your your musical chairs, you know at center

1162
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 17: and with Jared Wilson, who you like and is a

1163
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 17: player you picked high and all that kind of stuff.

1164
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: Which I'm not I mean, I hate the worst diving

1165
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: in the offseason. But Vadarian Lowe's a free agent, do

1166
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: you re sign him? Do you go out? I mean,

1167
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 4: I'd add a guard in the tackle that I think

1168
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: have potential to start at some point, whether it's a

1169
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: veteran that can come in right in a start, or

1170
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 4: draft a rookie tackle who maybe could I want to

1171
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: take that Vadarian low spot.

1172
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 5: Maybe you got us Bryant, and I wonder what they

1173
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 5: think of Marcus Bryant, and you know, he didn't get

1174
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 5: any opportunities really to play I don't know if that

1175
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 5: means he wasn't ready for them or they didn't need it.

1176
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 5: Like I said, you had a couple of guys that

1177
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 5: almost never play full seasons, played full seasons in Carlton

1178
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 5: Davis and Morgan Moses. Those are two guys that are

1179
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 5: constantly missing four games a year, and the fact that

1180
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 5: they didn't was one of the reasons why you were

1181
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 5: so successful.

1182
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, danny'snt Daytona. What's up? Danny?

1183
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 19: Hey, how's it going guys?

1184
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 20: You guys back from radio row?

1185
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: I sees, yeah, we're back from radio row.

1186
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 20: All right, I'm gonna make this quick. Evan and Paul,

1187
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 20: you guys hit it on the nail on the coffin,

1188
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 20: or the hit the nail on the hitd on the coffin.

1189
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 20: I would say, this is my opinion. I'm gonna make

1190
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 20: this click on the line. I think the whole line

1191
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 20: should be a battle next year. What they need to

1192
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 20: do is, like Danner Lofty stood on ESPN and several

1193
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 20: analysts across the league were staying after the game, I

1194
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 20: sat back and was kind of digesting a lot of stuff,

1195
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 20: and let I put all my most inside yesterday. I

1196
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 20: think in twenty twenty six, Mike Rabel needs to do

1197
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 20: what Bill Beliseck did for years, making an open competition.

1198
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 20: Will Campbell needs to fight for his spot. Uh next

1199
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 20: year for the line and left tackle. There's whom the

1200
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 20: guys of the Texas.

1201
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 19: There's a guy that.

1202
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 20: The Texans are selected in the mock draft of this

1203
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 20: Procter guy. I think if they can get somebody at

1204
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 20: the bottom draft. Yeah, it may not be a great

1205
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 20: tackle last but you bring in somebody. Last year, I

1206
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 20: think Paul brought this up in the beginning of the

1207
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 20: season that there was no competition for Will Campbell.

1208
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 19: He was just slated to just.

1209
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 20: Kind of go in there and be the guy. So

1210
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 20: next year, this coming season, you bring in competition for

1211
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 20: Will Campbell. He has to fight in earth for a spot.

1212
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 20: This is the National Football League. You gotta fight for

1213
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 20: your spot and earn it. It's not given.

1214
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna fight for a spot regardless. It's

1215
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: gonna be backups to Will Campbell. But see, I get that, like,

1216
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: you know, you want everyone competing, and you know, go

1217
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: into camp and make it an open competition.

1218
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.

1219
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: I want them to go into camp knowing who they

1220
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: think is going to be the starters, and let's go

1221
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: with that.

1222
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 5: And we're also advocating for like, oh they need to

1223
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 5: have Okay, so Venarian Lowe wasn't deemed enough competition for well,

1224
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 5: there aren't enough tackles in the league as it is.

1225
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 5: Like now the Patriots are going to have like a

1226
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 5: starting caliber tackle that's going to push Will Campbell.

1227
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: Like they just used the fourth overall pick on a tackle.

1228
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: That's why I would not advocate moving him to guard

1229
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 2: right now. I think he's probably going to end up there.

1230
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 5: If you're asking me, put my hand on a bible

1231
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 5: and tell you what I think. I think he's going

1232
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 5: to end up as a guard. But I wouldn't do

1233
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 5: it now. I would see it through. You took the

1234
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 5: fourth overall pick, make sure make sure before you move it.

1235
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 5: We talked to Robert Gallery last week right as one

1236
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 5: of our one of our many guests. I'm sure you

1237
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 5: guys all enjoyed a lot of those guests. Number two

1238
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 5: overall pick in the draft was considered a generational.

1239
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: Blue ship prospect. Blue Ship. He spent two years two

1240
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: three years at tackle before he became a guard. It happens,

1241
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes it happens. You know, you don't want.

1242
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: No one wants that to be the case. But if

1243
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: he ends up.

1244
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 5: Being a good guard, uh or even an elite guard,

1245
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 5: is that better than being sort of a run of

1246
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 5: the mill tackle.

1247
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1248
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, Mike Grabel might say, no, it's more valuable

1249
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 5: to have a serviceable tackle than an elite guard. And

1250
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 5: if that's what they feel, I'm not the football games

1251
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: that's what they are.

1252
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 17: I mean, especially with the supply and demand, right, Like,

1253
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 17: you know, it's easy, much easier to find playable guards,

1254
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 17: and no one has tackles to play tackles. But I

1255
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 17: would just say, like, the line played bad in the

1256
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 17: Super Bowl, full stop, but let's.

1257
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: Not it's it was.

1258
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 17: Let's not overreact and act like the line was in

1259
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 17: complete shambles all season. Like the line got a lot

1260
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 17: better this year compared to last year, certainly, and was

1261
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 17: basically above league average for the majority of the season

1262
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 17: until they hit the playoffs. So to now overreact to

1263
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 17: the Super Bowl and say they need all sale changes

1264
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 17: on the offensive line, I just would be careful with

1265
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 17: doing that off of just one game that was admittedly bad.

1266
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Alex Is in San Diego what's up, Alex, Hey, what's up?

1267
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 4: Guys?

1268
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 19: Welcome back. This feels a lot different than twenty seven,

1269
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 19: twenty eleven, twenty seventeen, because I felt like those games

1270
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 19: just was like a well, if like something went different,

1271
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 19: like we could have won, right, you know, we.

1272
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: Didn't have any of that. This we need to get

1273
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: a hot ripped out this time.

1274
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 19: Yeah, But anyway, I just think moving forward, I think

1275
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 19: this team really needs to get younger. I love the

1276
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 19: free agents, but they're getting older. And I know it's

1277
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 19: something we've talked a lot on the show, but we

1278
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 19: really need to build through the draft. I know you

1279
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 19: just like you talk with Morgan Moses getting up there

1280
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 19: in age Garrett Bradberry's thirty Elliott Wolf had a great

1281
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 19: draft in twenty five, but twenty four not so much.

1282
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 19: So I really think this next draft is going to

1283
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 19: be huge. But anyway, I'll take it off the line.

1284
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Alm Picks. Yeah, I mean I said this earlier.

1285
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: If you're going to lose in the Super Bowl, this

1286
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: is the way to lose, because like you were, you

1287
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: were dominated. You know what, there was no there was

1288
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: no like last minute. Oh my god, if we could

1289
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 3: only have done this, we would have won.

1290
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: No, I mean I would.

1291
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 5: I would offer the slightest of Homer views at twenty

1292
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 5: two to seven.

1293
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: They got the stop, they got the ball, and your way,

1294
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: they could have it was nineteen. If they can go

1295
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: to and score here, maybe it was nineteen.

1296
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think about the then question when they

1297
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 4: got that first touchdown, were you surprised they didn't go

1298
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: for two?

1299
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 7: Or what?

1300
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: You gotta light it?

1301
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 5: You got to light me up now, Sorry, we can

1302
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 5: get that up. We've talked about this. I think they

1303
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 5: got the two point conversions backwards. I would have gone

1304
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: for two, win the first one, and I would have

1305
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 5: kicked the second one.

1306
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 17: I didn't think they managed the game as well at all,

1307
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 17: to be honest with you, Yeah, I just I.

1308
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 4: Couldn't talk about this stuff with all the Seahawks fans

1309
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: that we're around. But you know what I loved about

1310
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. The only people that like this Super

1311
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: Bowl were Seahawks, man, because everybody else was bored out

1312
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: of their minds.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't blame.

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Speaker 3: Them, so just real quick, Freddy, especially when the Patriots

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Speaker 3: are in it's it's.

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Speaker 4: An amazing game.

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Speaker 2: When the Patriots scored it was nineteen seven, so it's nineteen.

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Speaker 5: That's eight, eight and three. That's the way I would

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Speaker 5: look at it. So you score if you can get eight.

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Speaker 5: Now I can get eleven. I can get eight and three.

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Speaker 5: If I miss it, I still need two touchdowns to

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Speaker 5: take the lead. Right, So it's not like I cost

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Speaker 5: myself anything in terms of touchdown. I don't need three touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: If I don't get it, I still need two touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: I would be down thirteen instead of twelve. I don't

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Speaker 5: see much of a difference between thirteen and twelve. The

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Speaker 5: second touchdown, they make it twenty nine to thirteen, and

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Speaker 5: at sixteen if you kick it there and make it

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Speaker 5: fifteen again, that's only one two point conversion you need

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Speaker 5: to tie. Potentially, they opted to go for two, and

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Speaker 5: now what foshes you if you don't get it to need.

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Speaker 2: Two twos to tie? It was like back to the

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Speaker 2: Falcon the Falcon super Bowl. You need two touchdowns? Two twos?

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Speaker 2: Were they major things in the game. No, but I

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Speaker 2: would have I would have done it.

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Speaker 4: The opposite was sitting up there and like what thinks

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Speaker 4: about that?

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Speaker 17: I just wanted to put any sort of game pressure

1339
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Speaker 17: on Sam Darnold and they just never got there. When

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Speaker 17: they made it nineteen to seven, and then they got

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Speaker 17: the stop. I was like, a score here would at

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Speaker 17: least make him feel Oh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that fumble at that point was the pick.

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Speaker 14: I think it was the pick. Pick yeah, and and

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Speaker 14: the pick.

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Speaker 17: You know, he almost threw a pick three plays earlier

1347
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Speaker 17: on the same thing where he just eaving it up

1348
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Speaker 17: and it's one.

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Speaker 2: Of the best throws of the night.

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Speaker 5: It turned out to be he threw into like an

1351
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Speaker 5: unbelievable defensive team meeting. It was like, yeah, and then

1352
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Speaker 5: the next play was his best throw, the touchdown to Hollins.

1353
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Speaker 5: But that that play to Hollins that got him down

1354
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 5: there was like, I can't believe that didn't get intercepted.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I couldn't help, but.

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Speaker 4: Think about you know, with it wasn't going great, but

1357
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Speaker 4: when you had Tom Brady, you knew that at some

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Speaker 4: point he was gonna start playing good. And like you

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Speaker 4: just had that confidence that and and then you realize

1360
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Speaker 4: you're like, Drake hasn't done that yet, Like you know,

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Speaker 4: you like twenty eight to three, and.

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Speaker 5: You're like, let's put it this way, Like someone had

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Speaker 5: asked me, I didn't put this on air. Obviously someone

1364
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Speaker 5: had asked me about the nod, Like, in my mind,

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Speaker 5: the nod came really early in this game. But if

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady was playing, it wouldn't have wouldn't have been

1367
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Speaker 5: the same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, when it was nineteen to seventy through the pick,

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Speaker 14: like I just.

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Speaker 2: Was, he was that was probably the finality.

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Speaker 17: He was trying like he was trying to get twelve

1373
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Speaker 17: points in one drive, and like they were.

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Speaker 14: They got off their own goal line.

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Speaker 17: They had been chipping away a little bit at it right,

1376
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 17: a couple of dump offs to Stevenson, a scramble, and

1377
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Speaker 17: then he just started going for broke and I was like,

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Speaker 17: just making nineteen fourteen and see what happens, Like there's

1379
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Speaker 17: still nine minutes left in the game.

1380
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Speaker 14: It just was not a good game. They just did

1381
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Speaker 14: not play well.

1382
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Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Think ultimately, your Super Bowl experience might ultimately be helpful down.

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Speaker 15: I think you can use it as a learning experience

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01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 15: and experience that you have a chance to, you remember

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Speaker 15: for the rest of my career, the rest of my life.

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Speaker 15: And it's a chance to you'll battle back for something

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 15: that didn't go your way or you wish would have

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 15: gone different, and give you fuel.

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Speaker 9: To to remember that.

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Speaker 15: And and that's what you give me, something to work for.

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Speaker 15: I think, something for this team to work for, in

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Speaker 15: this organization and these coaches. And you know, we came

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 15: up short and every went love the last two playing

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Speaker 15: at the same time. So it's it's hard to you know,

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Speaker 15: really reflect on it. You know this this early, but

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Speaker 15: you'll know from the kind of the quick you know, twenty.

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Speaker 9: Four or forty eight hours.

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Speaker 15: It has been that you know, we left it all

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01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 15: out there, I know that, and we came up short

1438
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 15: and you didn't execute or play how we wanted to.

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01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 15: But there's a lot of teams, there's a lot of

1440
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 15: things that this team did well and we can use

1441
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 15: it down the road. Is you know, we get back

1442
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 15: in OTAs or get back in training camp, like what

1443
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 15: could be the difference or what can we do a

1444
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 15: little extra?

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 9: What could I do you know in the quarterback room?

1446
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 9: What can we do in the quarterback room a little more?

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Speaker 15: Uh, you'll find answers and you know to make the

1448
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 15: throw or two to make those plays in those situations

1449
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 15: that you know, kind of change the out to come

1450
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Speaker 15: in the game.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in first of all time to us

1452
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: and making the time to rest.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, the last year was a little bit different case

1454
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 15: just with uh compredit this year just the coaches and stuff.

1455
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 4: So, you know, looking ahead physically, I think one of

1456
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: the questions just where are you physically in terms of

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01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 4: can you say like you won't need any surgery or

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Speaker 4: anything going forward to set yourself up for the off

1459
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 4: season to help.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, just get some time off, your time off. Your

1461
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 15: time is the best healer, and you know, definitely just

1462
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 15: need time off.

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 9: You know, nothing that.

1464
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 15: You know needs any thing to be done, just some

1465
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 15: time away and time to you'll get some rest and

1466
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Speaker 15: it's just time away from football.

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Speaker 22: Drake.

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Speaker 10: How good do you feel just about the foundation that

1469
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 10: you guys said this season and what that does for

1470
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Speaker 10: be looking forward?

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Speaker 15: Yes, coaches, then in the in the in the squad meeting,

1472
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Speaker 15: just what we kind of the star we set you

1473
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Speaker 15: know for this for this city, for this fan base,

1474
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Speaker 15: you know, kind of got them, got them back, get

1475
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Speaker 15: some energy.

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Speaker 9: Back in the city.

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Speaker 15: I think that's what you know, we talked about in

1478
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Speaker 15: the quarterback room all year long about you know, turning

1479
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Speaker 15: the city back up, and you know, I think we

1480
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 15: did that. I think you felt that this year. You

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Speaker 15: felt that at you know, you know on Sunday, you know,

1482
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Speaker 15: in the game and you know we're at the the

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Speaker 15: biggest game on the highest level, and you know, the

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Speaker 15: Pats they said we were back. But you know, we

1485
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 15: came up a little short. But sometimes it happens, and

1486
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Speaker 15: sometimes you know, you do whist things would have gone different.

1487
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Speaker 15: But I can't say hav any regrets besides not making

1488
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 15: you a few extra more plays and few extra throws

1489
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Speaker 15: in that game.

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Speaker 7: Was your biggest takeaway after watching.

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Speaker 9: The Yeah, I think we just lost.

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Speaker 15: I think they made more plays than we did and

1493
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Speaker 15: they were the better team on Sunday, and you know

1494
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Speaker 15: they deserve to win.

1495
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Speaker 2: And we just.

1496
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Speaker 9: You know, we couldn't.

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Speaker 15: Speaking for myself, couldn't get you enough going on offense,

1498
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Speaker 15: you know, to help our team.

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Speaker 11: Wind you talk about with Karen and they have also

1500
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Speaker 11: a duck this year about learning and take you away

1501
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Speaker 11: from the Super bo Bowl, but from the year as

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Speaker 11: a whole, from what you learned this year, what you

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Speaker 11: take from this year to help you going forward.

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Speaker 15: I think, first off, just what a what a long

1505
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 15: journey it is, you know, to get to that game

1506
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 15: and you as many you know, bumps or bruises or

1507
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 15: you know, time you spend or how long it's field.

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Speaker 15: It's it's really you know, it's it's worth it when

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01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 15: you are in that game and you have a chance

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Speaker 15: to to win Super Bowl, and I think that's what

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Speaker 15: you do it for.

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Speaker 9: And it's really hard.

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Speaker 15: To make it seem like, you know, the games behind

1514
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 15: don't matter, you know, but that's really the case.

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 9: When you get to that stage, the games behind.

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Speaker 15: You know, they the twenty other games that we played,

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 15: and they really you know, it felt like the last

1518
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 15: one is one that really mattered.

1519
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 9: And I think that's what you kind of learned about.

1520
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 15: That's what you go to work for and improve and

1521
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 15: try to not try to stay at the same level

1522
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 15: you're coming in the next year and try to act like, man,

1523
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 15: we're here and we're fine.

1524
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 9: We just need to keep doing what we're doing.

1525
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Speaker 15: You got to elevate, and you know teams are going

1526
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Speaker 15: to be you're looking at you know, what we did,

1527
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 15: how we you improved so quickly, and and how we

1528
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Speaker 15: you know, want a division and on the A f

1529
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Speaker 15: C and a lot of the great things. So teams

1530
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Speaker 15: are gonna try to you'll have a bulls eye on

1531
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 15: us to try to you'll stop us. So we gotta

1532
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 15: you not try to be complacent and know that your

1533
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 15: teams are gonna be chasing us, and we've got to

1534
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 15: try to chase chase the Seahawks.

1535
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 11: Will Campbell's depends.

1536
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: I know you guys have such a like rach Off, just.

1537
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 11: What's this first season bend like?

1538
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 21: Playing with them?

1539
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's you know, it's a pleasure of going out

1540
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 15: there with Will, you know every time. I know, I

1541
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 15: know it's probably been a long year for for the rookies,

1542
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 15: your long year for Will, a long year for these

1543
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 15: guys to get adapted to you'll play in the NFL,

1544
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 15: and I think Will is you know, a great case

1545
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 15: of you know, somebody who's experienced it all. You experience,

1546
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 15: you know, ups and downs, you know, injury side of it,

1547
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 15: the long the long times we get gotta you don't

1548
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 15: want to talk to the media, but you have to.

1549
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 15: Or either the expectations of a first round pick. I

1550
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 15: think he's dealt with so much this year it's gonna

1551
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 15: it's only gonna be great for him in the future.

1552
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 15: He's gonna be a great player in this league. Already

1553
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 15: has a great player in this league. And I look

1554
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 15: forward to, you know, getting back in you see him

1555
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 15: in the off season, hanging out with them, and get

1556
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 15: back in the US. You know, you know, I love Will,

1557
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 15: and you know I'll look forward to playing with him

1558
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 15: for a long time.

1559
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 10: Will do you have.

1560
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 11: Like what's your off season that looked like this year

1561
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 11: perhaps compared to last.

1562
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 4: Year, Like you have any uh, you know.

1563
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 7: Playing to kind of chill and then get.

1564
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 15: Back to it or yeah, I can't say too much.

1565
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 15: You know this this off season, I gotta I got

1566
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 15: a wife. Now, we got a beautiful wife. So know

1567
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 15: I look forward to, uh, you'll spend this off season

1568
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 15: with my wife, and that's kind of my first thought.

1569
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 9: That's gonna be the highlight of my off season. I

1570
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 9: can tell you that.

1571
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 21: Any think about you know, you kind of mentioned towards

1572
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 21: the end when you're talking talking about the shoulder that

1573
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 21: it is just you know, kind of a long season,

1574
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 21: you know, just sort comes with that.

1575
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 4: Is there anything you learn in terms of like how

1576
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 4: to prepare, how to take care of you take care

1577
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 4: of your course of long season you might.

1578
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 7: Be able to use their streating thing.

1579
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 15: I mean, I feel like my arm was feeling feeling

1580
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 15: great all year. I don't think throwing really was the

1581
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 15: instance from my arm. I think it's you know, a

1582
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 15: case of you're having them. One you know, hit in

1583
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 15: the NSC Championship game that was just kind of unfortunate

1584
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 15: and unfortunate timing and unfortunate kind of what Uh just

1585
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 15: like I said, the timing of it, and you know,

1586
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 15: the two weeks was was great to have off, to

1587
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 15: have a chance.

1588
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 9: To be out there and be out.

1589
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 15: There for my guys, And yeah, I mean you can't

1590
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 15: you know, blame things on injuries. You know, things happened

1591
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 15: like this all the time in the league. It was

1592
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 15: was blessed this year, what year of you know, you know,

1593
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 15: health and blessings for me this year. You can't you know,

1594
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 15: stone it on one little thing on the shoulder. So

1595
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 15: this is unfortunately it happened to be throwing one. But

1596
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 15: at the same time, you know I could have prevented

1597
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 15: it or or you'll make more plays. You know, I

1598
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 15: was feeling like I was able to make throws in

1599
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 15: the game and was myself so nothing that, yeah, have

1600
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 15: any thing really just much else to say about that drag.

1601
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: No might be to flight talking down, But where do

1602
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: you feel like you made the most strikes the season

1603
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: where you Josh McDaniel's working with Ashton Grant and are

1604
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 1: there any things in soft season did you feel like

1605
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: you're going to hold.

1606
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 7: In on early? Yeah?

1607
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 15: Really, you know, felt like my rookie year in this

1608
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 15: I mean my rookie year. You know, I was in

1609
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 15: the virtu year in this offense. You know, I was

1610
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 15: the first full time starter had a chance to you

1611
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 15: learned so much from a great offensive coordinator, and Ashton

1612
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 15: has been awesome with just kind of relaying the new

1613
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 15: connection between this the past offense that he was in with,

1614
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 15: you know, the Browns that we had later last year,

1615
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 15: and just translating it and now he's in our own

1616
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 15: terminology and kind of building the foundation of his offense.

1617
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 15: There's so much you'll more can you'll take this offense

1618
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 15: and you know, give me more tools and more. You'll

1619
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 15: just answer the line of scrimmage and I think, you know,

1620
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 15: with my capability to you'll play the position and and

1621
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 15: kind of use my knowledge of the game and learn

1622
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 15: it from coach, you know, to get us in the

1623
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 15: best spot is only going to help us down the road.

1624
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 15: And just try to get our guys in the offensive

1625
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 15: room and get me to that level where I'm able

1626
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 15: to operate, you know, on the field in a game

1627
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 15: like manner, you know, to to accomplish those things. So

1628
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 15: I'm looking forward to it, you know, getting a chance

1629
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 15: to being the your Lord willing and knock on wood,

1630
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 15: you know, the same offense for for the second year.

1631
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 15: That looks I'm looking forward to that. I think, you know,

1632
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 15: the sky's limit for us. We got a lot of

1633
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 15: great players in that room, in that locker room, and

1634
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 15: I think, you know, it's gonna be fun to get

1635
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 15: a chance to you'll find out, Hey, what maybe these

1636
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 15: few things Drake you need to you'll really focus on,

1637
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 15: you know, maybe eliminate from your game, or you know,

1638
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 15: know what plays you you don't take a sack on,

1639
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 15: or knowing when we're across the fifty, you know, try

1640
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 15: not to have negative plays.

1641
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 9: I think you know a little things like that, and you.

1642
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 15: Know, areas of the offense where you can take us

1643
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 15: to the next level and coach can kind of give

1644
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 15: me some tools and we work on. You're trying to

1645
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 15: find that next level. So I'm looking forward to that,

1646
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 15: and that's what keeps you going.

1647
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: And now great moments in history.

1648
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: Why the Patriots never blew anybody out of the Super

1649
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 3: Bowls has always been a mystery to me.

1650
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 5: I think they kind of low key one that you know,

1651
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 5: I never felt like Evans says that he never had

1652
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 5: any fear of losing the game against France.

1653
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: I never had any fear of losing. That's exactly.

1654
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 5: I had fear of going to Pittsburgh in THEFC Championship game,

1655
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 5: and I know what the score ended up being. But

1656
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 5: that game to me was the Super Bowl. I never

1657
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 5: had any fear. I thought that the Patriots did not

1658
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 5: play particularly well in the first half of that game.

1659
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 5: The second half they asserted their dominance. They got a

1660
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 5: ten point lead with whatever it was three minutes left.

1661
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 5: Ye Eagles got to know by the way touchdown at

1662
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 5: the end.

1663
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 14: That's a perfect comparison exactly.

1664
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 2: How I never felt that game was in doubt. Yeah,

1665
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,799
Speaker 2: I didn't feel fear it myself.

1666
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were thinking you were at that one for

1667
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 4: oh god, yeah, come on, Oh that was the one

1668
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: Pop didn't get to go to.

1669
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

1670
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eighty five to

1671
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 3: five Pats five hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots

1672
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 3: dot com is the way to email address. Obviously, we're

1673
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 3: going over the Super Bowl and the twenty twenty five season,

1674
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 3: but we're also looking ahead to twenty twenty six a

1675
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: little bit.

1676
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: What would we need to do? Draft is coming up?

1677
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: The combine is coming up in what ten days or

1678
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 3: something like that.

1679
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 4: We'll be there two weeks, two weeks from right now,

1680
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 4: we'll be there two weeks from yesterday.

1681
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know as Bill would. I was saying,

1682
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, we're a little behind. We're all over yea,

1683
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: we are all a little behind.

1684
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 4: We all we No, that's dead.

1685
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: Never mind, Nah, what's what's going to be our slogan

1686
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 2: next year? We need more?

1687
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 4: We were walking me and morel we're walking out And

1688
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 4: I was just like it was all they had and

1689
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 4: it wasn't enough.

1690
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 3: All right, back to the phones we go. Let's go

1691
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 3: to Brandon in Pennsylvania. What's up Brandon?

1692
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Hey, happy to be on the show.

1693
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1694
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 10: So obviously I've been listening to you know what you

1695
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 10: guys are talking about trying not to overreact as a fan,

1696
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 10: But I have to I have to disagree with what

1697
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 10: was said earlier about not to overreact about the offensive

1698
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 10: line play in the playoffs, because I know I know

1699
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 10: where they were ranked throughout the regular season. But ultimately,

1700
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 10: like Evan said, we have to build this team in

1701
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 10: the off season as if we're going against a top

1702
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 10: defense every week. And I think the playoffs exposed a

1703
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 10: lot of holes in our team.

1704
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 14: So Brandon, what what what would you do?

1705
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 17: You want them to go ahead and change four starters again?

1706
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 17: Like I think that's just the point I'm trying to

1707
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 17: make is like they already invested a lot in the

1708
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 17: offensive line last offseason. They took some steps forward this season,

1709
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 17: and now if you go back to the well and

1710
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 17: you start changing it again.

1711
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think anyone's saying we need all five, right,

1712
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: we just you know, a creative way to upgrade it.

1713
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 4: Is it a guard at which spot?

1714
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 9: You know?

1715
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 4: That kind of thing.

1716
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 5: Well, And I would also say, Brandon, you did have

1717
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 5: two rookies start on the left side. And I know

1718
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 5: that no one wants to go all cliche, but the

1719
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 5: rookie wall is a real thing. And I do think

1720
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 5: that there was signs that some of those young guys

1721
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 5: their performances tailed off as the season. Now, Woodson was

1722
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 5: the one who went the other way. He seemed to

1723
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 5: get better as the season went. But you can make

1724
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 5: an argument that the first three picks, first four picks, like,

1725
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 5: you know, all kind of tailed off as the season

1726
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 5: wore on. I don't think Henderson was the same guy

1727
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 5: in the playoffs as he was sort of in that

1728
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 5: middle of the season when he was hitting all those

1729
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 5: home runs. And Wilson and Campbell conceive it, you know,

1730
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 5: theoretically will be better players in year two.

1731
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 2: So I would just see it through.

1732
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 17: I think you just had to trust the process a

1733
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 17: little bit because if you start, if you make another

1734
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 17: if you make a hole again at left tackle, let's

1735
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 17: say they move Campbell inside, now you need to use

1736
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 17: an asset to invest again in another left tackle a

1737
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 17: year later. And now we're talking about edge rushers, we're

1738
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 17: talking about receivers, we're talking about you know, all these

1739
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 17: other positions, and it's like there's only so many things

1740
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 17: to go around, especially when you're picking thirty first in

1741
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 17: the first round, Like they don't have a never ending

1742
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 17: war chest to just go out there and plug.

1743
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 14: All these different holes. So I just you know, I

1744
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 14: think you have to hold your while.

1745
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 10: Like you just part of that was part of my

1746
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 10: just concern of the pin because obviously I know that,

1747
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 10: like resources are limited, it's not as simple as just

1748
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 10: plugging them in. And like going into the playoffs. Before

1749
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 10: the playoffs, I thought, are one of our biggest acquisitions

1750
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 10: for the next season, would get get a top perimeter threat,

1751
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 10: get a pass rusher. That's what I was kind of

1752
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 10: hoping that we're addressed in this next coming offseason. But

1753
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 10: then just after seeing the offensive line play, I can't

1754
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 10: help but think that. You know, I don't want Drake

1755
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 10: May to turn into Joe Burrow. I don't want him

1756
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 10: to have a Te Higgins and Jamar Chase on the outside,

1757
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 10: but then he gets hit so much every year that

1758
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 10: he ends up getting hurt and not even being able

1759
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 10: to play. That's just my concern. I know it's not

1760
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 10: a simple thing to address, but as a fan, that's

1761
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 10: what I'm worried about because at this point, I don't

1762
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 10: even know if getting a perimeter threat or a tight

1763
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 10: end that was mentioned earlier to open up the field

1764
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 10: is really gonna matter if he just gets hit every

1765
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 10: single play. I think a lot of it has to

1766
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 10: do with him as a young player as well being

1767
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 10: able to address who's blitting, and I think he'll grow

1768
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 10: from there. And I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you

1769
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 10: guys completely. I think that you have to trust the

1770
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 10: process a little bit. I was just, as a fan,

1771
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 10: very disappointed.

1772
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 19: That's that's what suck out.

1773
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: To me, all right, Thanks Brandon, I appreciate the call.

1774
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: You look at how much work the Bengals have tried

1775
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 4: to put into their offensive line and you know, it's

1776
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 4: it's it's really hard to do.

1777
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 17: I just think we're losing sight of the fact that

1778
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 17: he was just the runner up for the MVP, Like

1779
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 17: was he on his butt all season or was he

1780
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 17: on his butt the last coup weeks? And let's look

1781
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 17: at it objectively and not just think about the last

1782
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 17: thing that we just saw against maybe the best pass

1783
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 17: rush in the NFL in Seattle. And like, you have

1784
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 17: two young players. My biggest thing would be with Will

1785
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 17: Campbell and Jared Wilson. I would not play them next

1786
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 17: to each other, Like I think when you have two

1787
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 17: young players like that playing side by side, it's so

1788
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 17: easy to just target that one side of.

1789
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,879
Speaker 2: The offensive world, right where.

1790
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 17: Like it's if you can spread him out a little bit,

1791
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 17: then it's a lot easier.

1792
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 2: To hide a bit of a mistake.

1793
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 3: When Wilson came back from his injury, not keeping Ben

1794
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: Brown in there because Brown was playing pretty well.

1795
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 17: I questioned it at the time because I just think,

1796
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 17: going back to something I said earlier, like Brown's a

1797
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 17: bigger guard.

1798
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 14: He's a bigger, wider, more.

1799
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 17: Physical player than Jared Wilson, And like that did that

1800
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 17: help settle Campbell down a little bit, knowing that he

1801
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 17: had somebody with some size playing next to him, I

1802
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 17: thought that they were better honestly, Ben Brown.

1803
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 5: To extrapolate, you know, brand maybe Brandy gets some of

1804
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,879
Speaker 5: his wish. Maybe that's a move and it's Wilson inside

1805
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 5: the center. If they decided Bradbury's no longer there, Brown

1806
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 5: they extended, so they obviously like him. Yeah, you know,

1807
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 5: maybe Brown gives them a little of that girth that

1808
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 5: Evan's talking about next to Will Campbell. And again, I

1809
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 5: expect those two guys to be better in year two.

1810
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 5: And I also think Wilson's not getting enough attention as

1811
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 5: he's not getting it. And I know I understand fourth

1812
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 5: overall pick left tackle, that's a spotlight position. And I

1813
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 5: loved the way Campbell answered those questions. Today's like you

1814
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 5: know that that comes with the territory. I was a

1815
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 5: high pick, number fourth overall, number four overall. I'm highly paid.

1816
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 5: I deserve to get scrutinized. You know, again, I'm paraphrasing,

1817
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 5: But Wilson, I don't think, has been under the same scrutiny,

1818
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 5: and they both they both struggled.

1819
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 3: Mark Is in Denver, North Carolina. I didn't know there

1820
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 3: was such a thing Denver, North Carolina.

1821
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: That's your favorite North Carolina.

1822
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's not forget Campbell is a young rookie.

1823
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: His deficit is not arm length, it's small technique adjustments

1824
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 3: in another offseason in the weight room. He will be

1825
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: a good left tackle in this league as he gains

1826
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 3: experience in size. At twenty two years old for his

1827
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 3: first go at these elite ends, he has learned and

1828
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: will get better.

1829
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it was so interesting the amount

1830
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 4: of support that he got from a lot of not

1831
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 4: you know, online Twitter troll the NFL lineman, guys who

1832
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 4: had done it. You know, hearing from those guys carries

1833
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 4: a lot of weight for me. And that's why, I mean,

1834
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 4: Brabel said it. So we don't have to spend all

1835
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: off season talking about do you keep him there? No,

1836
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 4: Brabel said it, but remember we had I think it

1837
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 4: was Morgan Moses in here talking about the offensive line

1838
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: this year, and he gave so much credit to Garrett Bradberry.

1839
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not saying that it's just you're

1840
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 4: gonna have to upset the apple cart a little bit

1841
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: to get the offensive line better. But I think you

1842
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 4: need to do it. I just don't think it's going

1843
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 4: to start with Campbell.

1844
01:22:58,920 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: It's going to start.

1845
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 17: I'm not suggesting to worry about hurting people's feelings or

1846
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 17: anything like that, but like they already changed out four

1847
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 17: fists of the offensive line last offseason and they got

1848
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 17: a little bit better. And if maybe a starting caliber

1849
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 17: left guard and free agency or something like that is

1850
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 17: the answer, maybe you know, moving Wilson to center, and

1851
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 17: you know signing a left guard is the answer. But

1852
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 17: like they're not going to go out and sign five

1853
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 17: new starters again, Like that's just not gonna happen. And

1854
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 17: I would just add, like to the email or like

1855
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 17: both things can be true that Will Campbell's dimensions is

1856
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 17: the problem, But that doesn't mean that he can't be

1857
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 17: good around the dimensions, which is the technique part that

1858
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 17: people are keep bringing up. I think the issue for him,

1859
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 17: or not issue, or just the thing for him is

1860
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 17: he's going to have to be a really good technician

1861
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 17: at the position. Like he's going to be have to

1862
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,799
Speaker 17: be like a master at his set points, his hand fighting,

1863
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 17: his strike timing, like all these little minutias that we

1864
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 17: talk about with the offensive line play. To add his

1865
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 17: dimensions be a high level left tackle. But that doesn't

1866
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 17: mean that he can't do it. It just means that they're

1867
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 17: both true.

1868
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to give him some time. To

1869
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 4: Pall's point, you got to give him some time to

1870
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 4: see that. And if you immediately throw the baby out

1871
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 4: with the bathwater, big baby, well.

1872
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: They have the same coaches next year. I don't know.

1873
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I was wondering about that. I mean,

1874
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 4: they do have three guys. I mean, this is just

1875
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 4: my non informed off the cuff, Like I wonder if

1876
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 4: Maron comes back or if like Hoteiling takes it over.

1877
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a co thing with him. I don't know.

1878
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm just speculating. It'd be great to get Doug Maroon back,

1879
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 4: but I just wonder if he might want something a

1880
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 4: little bigger than you know, being the head offensive line

1881
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 4: coach for.

1882
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: Patrick's in Canada. What's up? Patrick? Nice?

1883
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 18: So h yes, hi there. So I'm just calling because

1884
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 18: after you know, going through the emotions of Sunday's game there,

1885
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 18: I'll wondering what your thoughts are on the game that

1886
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 18: Josh McDaniel's called as you see, because I'm not sure

1887
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 18: about you guys, but I was somewhat surprised that, you know,

1888
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 18: kind of wait until very very last night, when the

1889
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 18: games a little out of hand at that point, a

1890
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 18: lot of reach to really kind of take risks and

1891
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 18: shake things up. I would have loved to see some

1892
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 18: big personnel out of them, like, you know, bring an

1893
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 18: extra tight end or even extra offensive line to try

1894
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 18: to force Seattle out of that quarters. Look to use

1895
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 18: with two ice safeties right to try to really really

1896
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 18: run the ball. If you really that kid to the

1897
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 18: ground game, why not just bringing all your big guys

1898
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 18: and just try to step it down the throat until

1899
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 18: you're forcing to stack the box and maybe create.

1900
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: Someone on one guy.

1901
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 18: It didn't seem like they could throw the ball because

1902
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 18: seattleys playing zone the whole there's cover four, cover six,

1903
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 18: There's like nothing there for May at all, whatsoever?

1904
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 19: What your thoughts?

1905
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's all great points, Patrick, I mean, those are

1906
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 17: all the points that I've tried to hit on. I

1907
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 17: did not think that this game was coach well by

1908
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 17: the Patriot and think they called a good game, and

1909
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 17: I think he hit a lot of it. I mean,

1910
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 17: they had one play with six offensive linemen on the

1911
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 17: field and went for twenty one yards and they never

1912
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 17: went back to it.

1913
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 5: So I was surprised about that, the Mumford thing, and

1914
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if maybe they could have dictated some

1915
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 5: matchups a little bit with that. I thought that they

1916
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 5: had a decent mix of aggressiveness downfield early that people

1917
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,480
Speaker 5: are completely.

1918
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: Forgetting that weren't just weren't there.

1919
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 5: I mean, there was a deep ball, I think to

1920
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 5: Hollins on a third down. I thought they ran the

1921
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 5: ball just ineffectively for the most part. I'm just looking

1922
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 5: at some of the starts to some of these drives. Yeah,

1923
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 5: the first drive, it was a six yard run that

1924
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 5: started it, and then you know, the second drive they

1925
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 5: had the ball Evans play with Mumford was the first

1926
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 5: down play. It was a twenty one yard completion. Then

1927
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 5: first and ten forty three Henderson up the middle minus three,

1928
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 5: you know, then puts you immediately behind the sticks. Then

1929
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 5: you know, you go to like a a later drive

1930
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 5: and it's the first down play you know, for three

1931
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 5: a three yard run, and you know the next time

1932
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 5: it's a Stevenson three yard run.

1933
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 17: It's just three yard runs in a game like that,

1934
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 17: aren't aren't a loss in my opinion?

1935
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 5: No, But what I'm saying is, I think they did

1936
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 5: try to run the ball on early downs for the

1937
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 5: most part early in the game, and they weren't overly

1938
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 5: effective doing it. They are two running backs, both averaged

1939
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 5: three three point two and three point three yards per

1940
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 5: carry on thirteen carries total. Like Evan's right, Henderson had

1941
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 5: a nine yard run and still average three yards to carry.

1942
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 17: A nine yard run against that defense might as well

1943
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 17: be a twenty five yard No.

1944
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is that's that was that was

1945
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 5: the one run and they still only averaged three. Counting

1946
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 5: that they averaged three yards. You know, they can't run

1947
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 5: against that, but.

1948
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 17: You have to stay on schedule against that defense, like

1949
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 17: if you're if I think.

1950
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 5: They've gotten a lot of third and lungs because they

1951
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 5: ran the ball early in see some possessions.

1952
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 14: I think it's that I think they were chipping away

1953
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 14: in the run game.

1954
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 17: I think Henderson Stevenson had seven carries or something crazy

1955
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 17: like that.

1956
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:08,839
Speaker 2: They only had thirteen cash.

1957
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 5: I mean, like, you know, there's seven for twenty three

1958
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 5: for Stevenson, six for nineteen.

1959
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 17: Yard run in there, there's a five yard run in there,

1960
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 17: there's a four yard run in there there's a three

1961
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,839
Speaker 17: yard run in there, like when you're playing a defense

1962
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 17: like that, like that's you need to keep chipping.

1963
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 14: Away to have balance to the offense because if you turn.

1964
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: It in you got to converse some third down.

1965
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 17: But if you turn it into a dropback game where

1966
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 17: it's third and nine and plus, like, you're not going

1967
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 17: to convert third down.

1968
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 5: That was third and seven a lot because they were

1969
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 5: getting three yards like that's. I just think it's a

1970
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 5: tough way to play against that team.

1971
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 17: I think it's a I think the opposite, Well, it's

1972
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 17: a tough so it might be the only way to

1973
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 17: do it, But you gotta maybe maybe.

1974
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 5: I'm giving them too much credit. I'm giving Seattle too

1975
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 5: much credit. You just just don't think.

1976
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody ran ran against them all year.

1977
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't see.

1978
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 5: I don't think you were a very good running team

1979
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 5: and they didn't allow any running yards all year.

1980
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was the way to go about it.

1981
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 14: But I didn't think that. I don't think that there.

1982
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 17: You don't aren't running the ball necessarily to score points

1983
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 17: and to be super productive with the running game, You're.

1984
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 5: Or if they could have running the five and six

1985
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 5: yard runs like you said that, which they I think

1986
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 5: they did twice. If they could have done that consistently,

1987
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 5: I would agree with you. I just think that they

1988
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 5: set up a lot of long yarded second downs and

1989
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 5: then that's when you know the pressure's coming and all

1990
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 5: of a sudden it's third and long and.

1991
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 3: You know, so you're saying you pass out a first down.

1992
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know, and I'm sure they did that

1993
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 5: plenty too. I'm just I just was looking at the

1994
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 5: couple of the early drives. I thought, you know, the

1995
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 5: first play of the game is a six yard run.

1996
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: That's great.

1997
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 5: I'm with Evan on that, Like, that's how you you know,

1998
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 5: that's how you stay out is stay ahead of the chains.

1999
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: Their first run of the game was sixteen.

2000
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 17: I think it was ten. But it's really hard to do.

2001
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 17: And I'm not saying that it's an easy way to live.

2002
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 17: But their first drive of the game started six yard run,

2003
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 17: two yard run, short pass the season first.

2004
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 5: First down, like that, that was that's how you stay

2005
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 5: ahead of the chains.

2006
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 2: I agree.

2007
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 5: If you can get six, I'm with you. I just

2008
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 5: wasn't expecting to get six very often, I understand. I

2009
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 5: just I think that you know that defense.

2010
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 17: Because they play as much too high shell as they do,

2011
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 17: they don't give up a lot of explosive runs, which

2012
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 17: is why a lot of the numbers, you know, the

2013
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 17: yards per carry and all that stuff. Really, but I

2014
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 17: think what that what they do will give up is

2015
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 17: a lot of like three or four yard runs. So

2016
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 17: could you have kept it in like second and six

2017
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 17: instead of second and ten because you have an incomplete

2018
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 17: pass on first down, you know what I mean?

2019
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Sure?

2020
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 5: And like to your point, you're not expecting to get

2021
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 5: two or three yards on the run.

2022
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: You want to get maybe four or five. Yeah, And

2023
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting to get an incomplete pass on the

2024
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 2: first down pass. So yeah, I mean I see what

2025
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: you're saying. Yeah, whatever you do, you got to do

2026
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: it well right right, And they did, you know, they

2027
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: did have a couple.

2028
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 5: I think Stevenson had a six yard run on a

2029
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 5: first down and he had a five yard run on

2030
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 5: a first down, you know, And I don't think that

2031
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 5: they were able to I also maybe to Evan's point,

2032
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 5: if they kept doing it, maybe it would have gotten better.

2033
01:30:58,479 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't they I.

2034
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 17: Wasn't expecting them to start breaking big runs against that defense.

2035
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 17: They don't give up big runs, but I was hoping

2036
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 17: that they could maybe just continue to consistently chip away

2037
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 17: at them. And Stevenson's been one of their best offensive

2038
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 17: players for the past two months and they completely kind

2039
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 17: of took him out of the game. And I think

2040
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 17: the Patriots took him out of the game.

2041
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 2: I would agree.

2042
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 17: I don't think Seattle did. I think the Patriots did.

2043
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 17: And that's where the part was frustrated.

2044
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: RT right, Sin Morgan Moses is going to be thirty

2045
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: five and was getting beat on speed rushes. He was

2046
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 3: a band aid fixed, not long term. We should draft

2047
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 3: or get younger there too.

2048
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's the whole point is that you need

2049
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 5: to replace him. Maybe not in the starting lineup in

2050
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 5: twenty six, but you need to replace him. He's not

2051
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 5: here for the long term. So you're going to need

2052
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 5: a guard. I mean, I'm sorry, you're going to need

2053
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 5: a tackle. And now everybody wants to replace the left

2054
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 5: tackle too, So you're in a situation like Kevin's saying,

2055
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 5: We're so we're going to replace two tackles again, two

2056
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 5: years in a row.

2057
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 2: We're going to replace two tackles. So now you're not

2058
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: addressing any of the other needs. There's a lot of

2059
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 2: other needs.

2060
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 4: You need to tackle that can start next year. I

2061
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 4: just assuming that you're going to get that much out

2062
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 4: of Morgan Moses again next year, you have to be

2063
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 4: completely prepared for him to miss multiple games next year,

2064
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 4: and hopefully it's a developmental guy. It's like a soldier

2065
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 4: that comes in and then I'll shoot volmer gets hurt.

2066
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 4: Soldiers going to come in and play a little early,

2067
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 4: but get that experience. But I don't know how they

2068
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 4: feel about Marcus Bryant. He's the big question mark. I

2069
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 4: don't think he's really active much at all this year

2070
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 4: in the stretch twice and that not at all. I

2071
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 4: don't know if there's anything there. So that's why I

2072
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 4: bring up very low like I don't. I mean, he

2073
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 4: played okay, he's an okay backup. Is there going to

2074
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 4: be a market for him? I mean everybody problem.

2075
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 17: With him is that he's a left side backup. Yeah,

2076
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 17: he doesn't swing. They can't play right. So I I

2077
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 17: remember Belichick used to say this all the time. When

2078
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 17: you draft based on need and you miss, then you

2079
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 17: didn't feel the need right. So everybody would say, oh,

2080
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 17: like you you drafted the position in the first round.

2081
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 17: I oh, they drafted for need, they needed a left tackle.

2082
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 17: They drafted a left tackle. Well, the problem is is

2083
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 17: that when the left tackle can't play, you still have

2084
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 17: the need. So to Paul's point, like, if you're a

2085
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 17: little bit patient with Will Campbell and you give him

2086
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 17: another year to see if he can play the position,

2087
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:06,680
Speaker 17: then you maybe address it.

2088
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 14: You know.

2089
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 3: I think that's the way I go two to three

2090
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 3: years from get him in the weight room, work on

2091
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 3: his footwork.

2092
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 14: It's the technique.

2093
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 17: You know, his feet and his hands are late, so

2094
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 17: when he gets his guys are getting into his frame

2095
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 17: and then his feet aren't in the ground and so

2096
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 17: then he's going back into Drake.

2097
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,719
Speaker 14: It's a technique thing that he can fix.

2098
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Don's and Philly, what's up Don?

2099
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 18: Guys?

2100
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 12: As we all know, super Bowl sucked, but this is

2101
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 12: an offseason show where we're more excited about free agency

2102
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 12: in the draft than the super Bowl. Just kind of

2103
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 12: wanted to discuss I kind of think that, and I

2104
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 12: know we're a bit early and you guys haven't dug

2105
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 12: too much into the draft, but I kind of like

2106
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 12: the idea of, you know, if this Kenyon Sadique is available.

2107
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 12: He's a developmental tight end, you know in the Mike

2108
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 12: Go in the late teams early twenties, think about.

2109
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 2: Trade Milks an excellent plaifum, Yeah.

2110
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 12: I mean, if he's available, I think it'd be really cool.

2111
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2112
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be available at the end of

2113
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,440
Speaker 5: the first round. He's the kid out of Oregon, right, yeah.

2114
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 12: Yeah. If if he's in you know, mid teens, high teens,

2115
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 12: low twenties, consider trading up for him. Is that something

2116
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 12: you think this regime would consider in terms of, you know,

2117
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 12: getting rid of assets, But kind of just wanted your

2118
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 12: opinion on you know, tight end, wide receiver, edge rusher,

2119
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 12: the rank of what your ideal focus would be, you know,

2120
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 12: through a free agency the draft. But I'll take it

2121
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 12: off air.

2122
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 2: All of the above.

2123
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 5: I would just say that with this regime, I wouldn't

2124
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 5: I would say anything and everything is in play until

2125
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 5: we find out what their tendencies are. You know, Like

2126
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 5: with Bill, I would have tended to say probably not

2127
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 5: that's you know, I'm not going to go up ten

2128
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 5: twelve spots because he didn't do it all that often.

2129
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 5: At the top of the draft. He made a lot

2130
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 5: of trades around the draft later. But I don't know

2131
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 5: what Mike Vrabel thinks. And you know, Ryan Cowden and

2132
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf and whoever else is going to be involved

2133
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 5: in this stuff. You know, Evan and I were talking

2134
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 5: off air at the break just now about kind of

2135
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 5: making a splash a little bit, you know, moving that

2136
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 5: pick for a player moving up in the first I

2137
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 5: think I think all these kinds of things are on

2138
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 5: the table.

2139
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 14: I would move the pick for a player.

2140
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 17: I just think that this team right now needs like

2141
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 17: impact players at like key positions. It's only a couple

2142
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 17: Like I think they need an edge rusher and I

2143
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 17: think they need another playmaker on offense. But those that

2144
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 17: don't just like grow on trees and especially are pretty

2145
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 17: hard to find at thirty one. So if you can

2146
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 17: trade that first round pick for Max Crosby, I'm doing

2147
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 17: that in.

2148
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 14: A our beat.

2149
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 17: And I don't even know if it would take thirty one. Like,

2150
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 17: I don't know what Crosby's value is. I'm terrible at that.

2151
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 17: I have no idea what what his value is, but

2152
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 17: I would think maybe that would be especially a late

2153
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 17: first round pick. But you know, I think that they're

2154
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 17: in that era now, like they're in that range where

2155
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 17: they don't need to keep you know, just drafting and

2156
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 17: drafting and drafting like they're good enough now where I

2157
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 17: think they can make it splash like that.

2158
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, started, edge and tight end. Those are two spots.

2159
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 4: You know, you you're going to have to bring in

2160
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 4: players at those spots. They're thin.

2161
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 17: They've got are some free agent tight ends. You know,

2162
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 17: Kyle Pitts is a free agent. Isaiah Likely is a

2163
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 17: free agent, so there are some free agent tight ends

2164
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 17: that would be available.

2165
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 15: You know.

2166
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 14: Both those guys are are more like big receivers, like

2167
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 14: big slot receivers and.

2168
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: The like that.

2169
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 4: Though I think ends, I think that Fitz style.

2170
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 14: In the passing game, it does. I'll I'll be upset

2171
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 14: about my running game. But I know I only I

2172
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 14: think about that.

2173
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 5: But I think that that was an underrated problem because

2174
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 5: I don't think you got a lot of blocking out

2175
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 5: of either of those guys.

2176
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 17: Like Barnard who just killed them like blocking catching the ball.

2177
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 17: I mean he was he was a big time X

2178
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 17: factor in the game and both the run and pass game,

2179
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 17: and just watching how Seattle is able to get you know,

2180
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 17: into their twelve personnel and have tight ends that can

2181
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 17: block and catch the ball and move the pocket and

2182
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 17: play action and you know all that.

2183
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 2: When you watch them.

2184
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 5: So I'm curious about that now that you brought it up,

2185
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,919
Speaker 5: you know, with the tight ends where they really effected,

2186
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 5: because how many times did you see Walker score it

2187
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 5: to the side sideline and get that, you know, and

2188
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not suggesting that the officiating was a problem,

2189
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 5: Like generally when you see that, you get at least

2190
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 5: one holding call and then well, I don't think there

2191
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 5: was a single one in the game. Now, I'll take

2192
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 5: the way that game was officiated any day.

2193
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:32,720
Speaker 2: There were no calls. I love it.

2194
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 5: I think there was a I think there was one

2195
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 5: false start on Will Campbell in the first three quarters

2196
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 5: of the game. I don't even remember another penalty until

2197
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. The Seahawks got a couple on defense.

2198
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 4: I got a question, what was good with all the

2199
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 4: fighting going on? Did you see who was like in

2200
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,440
Speaker 4: the middle of that. Seemed like quite a few scrums

2201
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 4: down near the end. I can't tell.

2202
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 2: It looked like twenty nine.

2203
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 5: Somebody threw a punch. Twenty nine I thought threw a punch.

2204
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 5: I was surprised there were no flags on that.

2205
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think they.

2206
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 5: Would jar and they were pushing it. I mean they

2207
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 5: were both giving it back and forth. But I thought

2208
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 5: twenty nine for the Seahawks gave a you know, threw

2209
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 5: a punch.

2210
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 3: Jigs had somebody's face mask, Joe.

2211
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, result so that's why they didn't throw the flag.

2212
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 5: Digs had his face mask.

2213
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 4: Okay, so.

2214
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 14: Are we going to talk about dicks?

2215
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Are we just going to so by that graveyard?

2216
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 4: What do you want to talk about?

2217
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 14: Where is he?

2218
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 7: Oh?

2219
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 2: He wasn't in the locker room?

2220
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 14: No, he was like where was he on the field

2221
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 14: the entire playoffs?

2222
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 3: Well, I think the teams they said, let's just get

2223
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 3: rid of them.

2224
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 4: Did they did you find they were giving him more attention?

2225
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 14: Not in this game. I think he was kind of

2226
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 14: I don't even know what he was doing.

2227
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh was he not running his routes? I don't

2228
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 2: even know what.

2229
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 14: I don't It's probably not for us.

2230
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay, it was okay, card.

2231
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 14: We were we were out to launch a little bit.

2232
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think wide receiver is another position we

2233
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 3: have to look at.

2234
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 17: Just look at him and Hunter Henry, you know, two

2235
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 17: guys that were kind of the engines of the passing

2236
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 17: game in the regular season, and they're production completely fell

2237
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 17: off a cliff in the postseason.

2238
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 14: I think they went from like one.

2239
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 17: Hundred and five yards per game combined to like fifty

2240
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 17: five in the playoffs, you know, basically cut in half.

2241
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 17: And we can see here and say that teams were

2242
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,560
Speaker 17: game planning them and stuff like that, but you know,

2243
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 17: teams game plan a lot of good players and they

2244
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 17: find ways to get open.

2245
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 4: You know, they need a young, dynamic weapon. There's no

2246
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 4: question I think that.

2247
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you can't fill everything all the time. It's

2248
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 5: just like we said last year, that's a big need

2249
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 5: they need. They need a dynamic playmaker. I mean, I

2250
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 5: don't know if it's going to be a tight end

2251
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 5: or wives, but whatever it needs like a Tyler Warren.

2252
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just naming coming up with Titans that

2253
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 4: have gone the last couple of years that I think

2254
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 4: could come in and make an instant impact.

2255
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 14: I mean, I would love to have Tyler Warren.

2256
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 4: But but you know, and again I said, are really

2257
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:45,680
Speaker 4: good find it?

2258
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, call suggestion. It's not you know, I'm.

2259
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 17: Just going off of what all the Bruglers and all

2260
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 17: the draft people say, because I've done zero work on

2261
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 17: the draft whatsoever. But it's not thought of to be

2262
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 17: a very good draft. It's it's not a great draft.

2263
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 17: It's not a very deep draft.

2264
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Did you're talking about in its entirety?

2265
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 17: In entirety, this is not a particularly good class based

2266
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 17: off of what.

2267
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 2: Expert Finally, the COVID stuff, Yeah right.

2268
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean a lot of that is just based

2269
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 17: you know, let's face it, it's based off of a

2270
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 17: couple of positions, whether or not, like quarterback is strong

2271
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,759
Speaker 17: and stuff like that. And this year, you know, Mendoz

2272
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 17: is really the only prize at quarterback, so you know,

2273
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 17: that always hurts it. There are some edge rushers, but

2274
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 17: a lot of them are expected to go pretty early

2275
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 17: in the draft, you know, Rubin Baine like guys like

2276
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 17: that are going to be like top ten picks.

2277
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 14: So we'll see. But it's it's not thought a very highly.

2278
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 2: On one thing with digs that kind of annoyed me.

2279
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 2: It's probably just a big thing.

2280
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 5: Late in the game, he caught up like a deep

2281
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 5: pass down the middle, and you got up kind of like,

2282
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 5: I was like, bro, the game's over, You're not like

2283
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 5: you're not styling this catch here?

2284
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Like I think he kind of spun the.

2285
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,560
Speaker 5: Ball and like, besides the fact that they were in

2286
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,520
Speaker 5: hurry up, like you know, they're trying to desperately score touchdowns.

2287
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 5: And I was like, to Evan's point, like you've kind

2288
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 5: of been mia all playoffs and now you catch like

2289
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 5: a twenty five yard pass when you're getting killed in

2290
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl and you're styling it.

2291
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 17: I just didn't really you know, we talked earlier about

2292
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 17: like quarterbacks having their biggies like that. Diggs is supposed

2293
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 17: to be the binkie, Like he's supposed to be the

2294
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 17: chain Movie. You're supposed to be the guy that you know,

2295
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 17: when you need seven yards, he's gonna get eight, you know,

2296
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 17: like that's supposed to be his role.

2297
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 4: And it just so you didn't really see him open

2298
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 4: a lot during the game.

2299
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 17: No, man, Like just like running through zones and I'm like,

2300
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 17: you know, like so many just three vertical routes down

2301
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 17: the field and I'm like.

2302
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 14: Where are we going, like stop and turn around? Yeah,

2303
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 14: And you.

2304
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 17: Know the pass rush is just on top of may

2305
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 17: and they just are sending guys, they're running nine to

2306
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 17: eight nine, you know, go and put the post in

2307
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 17: the middle, and they're just running it over and over again,

2308
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 17: and like maybe he has like one little like the

2309
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 17: tight end of the back is like chipping and then

2310
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 17: leaking out underneath as kind of like a late outlet.

2311
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 4: The only outlets were just to the flyers with the

2312
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 4: running backs.

2313
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 14: There just a lot hotting down the field. And he's

2314
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:14,719
Speaker 14: holding the ball.

2315
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 4: Is not good?

2316
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 2: I digress. James is in Georgia. What's up, James?

2317
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 4: Oh, it's James Pearce.

2318
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 2: James.

2319
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 3: Oh, yikes, James is in Georgia, going once twice?

2320
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 2: You're out.

2321
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 3: Let's go to Peter in Tampa.

2322
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 2: What's up? Peter's gone, He's not there.

2323
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,440
Speaker 3: Pete about Manny in New Bedford?

2324
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 2: What's up? Manny?

2325
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 22: Hey? What's going on?

2326
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

2327
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:40,799
Speaker 7: Yes?

2328
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 18: Hey? What the hell of the season?

2329
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 16: We had?

2330
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 18: Hit me up for a second.

2331
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 22: I'm pretty glad about the amount of exposure we had

2332
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 22: in his post easy And I don't know if you remember.

2333
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 22: I don't know if you guys watched this, but wow.

2334
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 22: Garrett was on a podcast not too Long to Go,

2335
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 22: and he was asked how do you beat the Patriots

2336
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 22: And one of the first things he said was, Drake

2337
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 22: is going to hold the ball, so you're gonna have

2338
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 22: to beat him with a foot man rush, all right.

2339
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 22: So I'm so glad that Drake was exposed because for

2340
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 22: the most but I remember we talked about earlier in

2341
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,799
Speaker 22: the season as he likes to hold the ball. Okay,

2342
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 22: so this is going to be such a teaching moment

2343
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 22: for him going into the next year, is being able

2344
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 22: to pick up the pressure and being able to get

2345
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 22: the ball out quicker.

2346
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 7: Right.

2347
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 22: So again, I remember he was he's not learning much

2348
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 22: when he's up over seventy percent completion percentage, right, he's

2349
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 22: kind of floating at that all time high. But this

2350
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 22: postseason really exposed the things that he really needs to

2351
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 22: work on. So I'm kind of again, I'm happy about

2352
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 22: the success. Obviously, I didn't want the Patriots to lose,

2353
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 22: but I'm glad that so much of that was exposed

2354
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 22: in this postseason because this is something that he's really

2355
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 22: gonna have to work on for next year. We got

2356
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 22: to tell these people that are like so quick to

2357
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 22: say we need to change up the offensive line. No,

2358
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 22: it's so much harder to sit here and change up

2359
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 22: the offensive line then to just teach Drake May how

2360
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 22: to handle the pressure and how to get the ball

2361
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 22: off sooner. I think we have to just trust the process,

2362
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 22: you know, and just trust that where we are the

2363
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 22: offensive line, and they're going to build more chemistry the

2364
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 22: upcoming year. So I'm curious to see what you guys

2365
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 22: think about that thing.

2366
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: Thanks.

2367
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 17: I really don't have any major problems with Drake holding

2368
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,480
Speaker 17: the ball like he's a playmaker.

2369
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 14: He's not, like I don't.

2370
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 17: I don't look at him as somebody that I want

2371
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 17: to like turn into like this, like quick release, like

2372
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 17: check down Charlie, like, let's I it's also like, to me,

2373
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 17: a lot easier said to just sit here and say

2374
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 17: get rid of the ball, Like, well.

2375
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 3: I think, but I think you by design, I think

2376
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 3: you have to do that at times, just to keep

2377
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:53,839
Speaker 3: the defense on its heels.

2378
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 17: Well, if they had done that, then I would agree.

2379
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 17: But like, like, you can't if there's nobody to throw

2380
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 17: the ball to you, Well that I don't know.

2381
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: It's all. It's all link.

2382
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 5: I understand what Evan's talking about. In the back of

2383
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 5: my mind. It's like, you know, you get a guy

2384
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 5: who throws fifteen picks and you're like, he's just got

2385
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 5: to cut down on the interceptions you just got and

2386
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 5: then the guy ends up throwing five interceptions the next year,

2387
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 5: but you know, for half the touchdowns and half the yards, Well,

2388
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 5: why did that happen? Because he's so intent on not

2389
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 5: making when he plays anymore. I think if you turn

2390
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 5: Drake May into the gotta get rid of the ball

2391
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 5: and get it out quick, you have a potential to

2392
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 5: lose a lot of that downfield stuff that you got

2393
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 5: this year, because not all of that was just you know,

2394
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 5: shotgun snap back foot with throwing a go route to Booty.

2395
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 5: Some of it was moving around, sliding around, thinking of

2396
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 5: like the Saints plate, you know, where they they booted

2397
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,480
Speaker 5: him out a little bit and they're throwing it downfield

2398
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 5: to Mario Douglas. And yeah, I mean, I understand he

2399
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,640
Speaker 5: takes too many sacks. He needs to cut dock, he

2400
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 5: needs to cut back on the sacks. But I don't

2401
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 5: want him just saying I got to get rid of

2402
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 5: the ball all the time. I want the play making element.

2403
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 4: But there's a time for that. And I think it's

2404
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 4: more to me the experience, the mental experience going against

2405
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 4: the playoff games, you know, I just I think there

2406
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 4: were too many times where, you know, the drifting into

2407
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 4: pressure the looking at the wrong side. You know, those

2408
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 4: kind of things I think will help him, and it

2409
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 4: doesn't always have to be I agree with you guys.

2410
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 4: I don't want to make him a quick game only guy,

2411
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 4: but I think he needs to know when it's got

2412
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,560
Speaker 4: to be kick game only. There's got to be sometimes

2413
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 4: for that too.

2414
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 17: And I think there's just like five or six throws

2415
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 17: that he missed in this game, and he also missed

2416
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 17: a handful of them in the I. It's a championship

2417
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 17: game where he just flat out missed the throw. And

2418
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 17: if he makes those throws, I just think we're talking

2419
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,640
Speaker 17: about this a lot differently. Like he had you know,

2420
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 17: this third down he has booty on his slant. He

2421
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,600
Speaker 17: just throws it, you know, it makes him die for it,

2422
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 17: and he just can't make the catch.

2423
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 14: You know he has you know.

2424
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 2: There's a Douglas one on the third down.

2425
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 17: Yeah, you know the Douglas one on third down where

2426
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 17: he short armed it. Like if he's making these throws

2427
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 17: like he was all regular season, then like, I don't

2428
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 17: think we're sitting here saying that he takes too many

2429
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 17: sacks and this dad the other thing, Like it's.

2430
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 5: Like you haven't said you know, he was like five

2431
01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 5: points away from being the MVP.

2432
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 2: He just barely.

2433
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 4: But it's just such an experiencing. I mean, there's so

2434
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 4: many different ways games unfold, and you know, I just

2435
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 4: with him. I think it's he's a young kid, and

2436
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 4: these are like, you know, he's got to get to

2437
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 4: that point where you can be terrible for a couple

2438
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 4: of quarters and then you turn it around and you

2439
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 4: start playing well and you get you know, you find

2440
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,719
Speaker 4: your rhythm. Those are the things I just and maybe

2441
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 4: I'm being too anecdotal with that, but it's felt like

2442
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:25,639
Speaker 4: Drake's games go the way they go. There's not really

2443
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 4: a He played like crap for the first half and

2444
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 4: then he came out in the second. Maybe there were

2445
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 4: one or two.

2446
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 14: I think Baltimore great example of that.

2447
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 4: He kind of turned it around. And you see too

2448
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 4: much snowballing, you know, like these games, especially even going

2449
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 4: back to preseason. That's what's just the dichotomy between what

2450
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 4: we saw this year and then what we saw in

2451
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 4: the playoffs. It's just when we were watching in training camp,

2452
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 4: like this is what I was expecting to see more

2453
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 4: of throughout the season, not consistently, but more of these

2454
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 4: kind of games where he's just you know, he got

2455
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 4: thrown off. This defense got to him. He did great.

2456
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 4: But I also think once you got to the playoffs,

2457
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 4: you really see that tells you real the truth against

2458
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 4: those good defenses.

2459
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 3: Jacob and Nashville history tends to repeat itself. How does

2460
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 3: this team and its journey remind you of the ninety

2461
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 3: six team and you foresee a two thousand and one

2462
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 3: like run in a few years. Well, I mean, somebody

2463
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 3: else asked me that will this be like ninety six,

2464
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 3: and I said, I hope not, because they actually got

2465
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 3: worse every year after ninety six until they had to

2466
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:25,759
Speaker 3: make a coaching change.

2467
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen.

2468
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean to me, not to always.

2469
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 4: I've been bringing a lot of things back to eighty five,

2470
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,080
Speaker 4: but I do think there are some similarities there for

2471
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 4: me in that that was a record setting road team.

2472
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 4: This was a record setting road team, and in the

2473
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl both teams ran into an absolute buzzsaw on defense.

2474
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 4: And I don't know what it means for going forward.

2475
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 4: Everyone wants to say, oh, they got there, they got

2476
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 4: the experience. I think that's great, But like we've been talking,

2477
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 4: about they have to get a lot better next year,

2478
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 4: and I think they have a lot of holes that

2479
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 4: we saw in training camp were re exposed here in

2480
01:48:58,960 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

2481
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Brendan and Edmonton says, what seventeen seventeen was the

2482
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 3: result of the Super Bowl more related to being lesser

2483
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,839
Speaker 3: talented or more related to injuries to key players.

2484
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,640
Speaker 14: I didn't hear the first part smarking.

2485
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,759
Speaker 3: Super Bowl were about being less talented or key injuries.

2486
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 2: First one, Yeah, I think so against this team. Yeah,

2487
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of.

2488
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 4: Dudes up front.

2489
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:30,799
Speaker 3: Yep, New Jersey, Canada, New Jersey. There's no question Seattle

2490
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 3: was the better team on Sunday. But how I wish

2491
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,719
Speaker 3: that the Patriots could have scored on that second fourth

2492
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 3: quarter drive would have made it a one score game,

2493
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 3: and even if they lost, there would have been a

2494
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 3: shot where they could have stolen one. But Drake's ill

2495
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 3: conceived throw ended it. Oh well, but I'm super psyche

2496
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,520
Speaker 3: for next year when the rookies have more experience and Stammina.

2497
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 4: You could feel the Seahawks fans get a little tense

2498
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 4: after that first touchdown than they punted, and they were

2499
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 4: all kind of just sitting down like and I felt

2500
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 4: like kind of South Seattle play too, Like they just

2501
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 4: felt like it was inevitable and they were sitting there,

2502
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 4: just sitting back, waiting, and then you felt a little

2503
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 4: bit and then when they throw that interception, all of

2504
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 4: a sudden, all the Seahawks fans woke up at that

2505
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 4: point and like tension release for them. But you could

2506
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 4: feel it a little bit in the stadium that the

2507
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 4: Patriots I did.

2508
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 5: Like that's like I said, I had, Like my one

2509
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 5: little moment was when they forced Seattle to punt after

2510
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 5: they scored and they got the ball back. I said, well,

2511
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,560
Speaker 5: if they could score now, I gotta be honest with you.

2512
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 5: I didn't think they were going to get out and score,

2513
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 5: just because of the way the game was going. But

2514
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 5: I said, if they could go out and score, there's

2515
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,759
Speaker 5: a lot of game pressure on Sam Donald.

2516
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:36,839
Speaker 2: Maybe that's when.

2517
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 4: He that's when the turnover he finally starts to turn

2518
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 4: it over.

2519
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 17: There's just a bad play, Like ball died on him

2520
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 17: because he like hitched up into the pocket, hit his

2521
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 17: arm as he was throwing, threw it right to the post.

2522
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 17: Safety he was going to be there anyways, even if

2523
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 17: he got enough on the ball.

2524
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, just not a not a good throw.

2525
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:57,640
Speaker 21: You know.

2526
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 4: What I'm reminded of though this week is that one

2527
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,799
Speaker 4: team suck right now, there's one team that's awesome.

2528
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 17: And well that's why I like, I'm just being a snarky,

2529
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 17: but like that's why I brought Like I understand we're

2530
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 17: all upset. I understand that they lost the game, but like,

2531
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 17: they won seventeen games this year and made it to

2532
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 17: the super Bowl, and I feel like a lot of

2533
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 17: this stuff we're hearing today is like, how are we

2534
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 17: going to overhaul the roster? And it's like, guys, like

2535
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 17: the quarterback just was the runner up for MVP the

2536
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 17: coach one Coach of the Year. They were just playing

2537
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 17: in the Super Bowl. Like they have holes, they have

2538
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 17: things to fix. But let's not overreact and act like

2539
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 17: the whole team is crap now just because they lost

2540
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 17: this yap, right and.

2541
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 4: There's the Super Bowl loser. This is your week. This

2542
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 4: is your week to get this suck spotlight. You know,

2543
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 4: everyone on school talking about Will Campbell and all, you know,

2544
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 4: it's just in that's.

2545
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 3: What I hope doesn't happen is and it happens a

2546
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 3: lot in history is the super team that loses the

2547
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, they don't.

2548
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 2: Bounce back, they don't make the playoffs. A lot.

2549
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 17: Yeah, I feel like it's mostly that, but it does

2550
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 17: sometimes go the other way where it's fuel. And you

2551
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 17: know the Eagles that took them two years, you know,

2552
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 17: there was a year in between their appearances and they

2553
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 17: won the second time they got they got back, but

2554
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,960
Speaker 17: they weren't terrible the following year, they just weren't.

2555
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 5: They fell apart. At the end of the year, they

2556
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,480
Speaker 5: were like ten and one or something like that. Yeah,

2557
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 5: but that's why Evan's point that he made early in

2558
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 5: the show is so important, Like you have to you

2559
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 5: have to find out the whys, you know, like and

2560
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 5: they have a more realistic look at everything than we

2561
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 5: do obviously, so they might look at it not to

2562
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 5: be snarky, but they might look at it and say,

2563
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 5: you know this, this rusher is not going to be

2564
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 5: good enough to win seventeen games next year because we're

2565
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 5: going to be playing different teams and maybe, like, why

2566
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 5: was the offensive line not good enough in the postseason?

2567
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 5: It might be because you played full good teams for

2568
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 5: good defenses, like and again, Mike Rabel and his staff

2569
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 5: have a better understanding of how much those kinds of

2570
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 5: factors impacted the performance and.

2571
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 17: The injuries, you know, like injury, level of competition, a

2572
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 17: lot of young guys and big places, young quarterback, young

2573
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 17: left tackle, you know what, all the different circumstances they

2574
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 17: and then you know, you got to look at like

2575
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,439
Speaker 17: every year, you got to look at your system. You

2576
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 17: gotta look at the schemes you're running and the system

2577
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 17: you're running, and you know, what can you better do there?

2578
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 17: I mean there's a couple of things that you know,

2579
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 17: they didn't They couldn't run a draw play to save

2580
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:22,719
Speaker 17: their life.

2581
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 14: The screens weren't great.

2582
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,759
Speaker 3: It's just too much pressure right up the million, right.

2583
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 17: So like these are things that like you know, screen

2584
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 17: game draws, moving the pocket, all things that they didn't

2585
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 17: do very well are all change ups to try to

2586
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 17: get the pass rush away from the quarterback. And if

2587
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 17: you can't do those, then you're just kind of dropped

2588
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 17: back passing all the time, and then they're just teeing

2589
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 17: off on you.

2590
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 4: How do you feel I asked Paul this in in Sanford,

2591
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 4: how do you feel about the running back position? Like, well,

2592
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 4: how would you approach that this offseason? I mean, do

2593
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 4: you want to go. I feel pretty good about Underson

2594
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 4: and Stevenson. You feel pretty good as a duo.

2595
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 5: I like those two, but I feel like they probably

2596
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 5: need somebody, but you know, not a major I don't

2597
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 5: know what situation.

2598
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm they definitely need a

2599
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 17: third guy. But I most teams now are only running

2600
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 17: really with two and then they have injury.

2601
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 4: Was sneaky, sneaky, harmful, sneaky harmful, But at.

2602
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 3: The time you didn't miss him too much because they

2603
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 3: were winning kickoff.

2604
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 4: I just having a second, you know, I.

2605
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 3: Mean, running sneak, running back on your own.

2606
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 2: But I agree with Evan, like how many teams rotate

2607
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 2: three backs?

2608
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 7: None?

2609
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 17: Most teams are going with the two headed monster these days.

2610
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 17: I mean, the Seahawks had it with sharbon Ay and

2611
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 17: Walker until Sharboney got hurt. So like, that's that's really

2612
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:37,840
Speaker 17: the the way that the league has gone. The third

2613
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 17: guy is what they've been using Deer and his Johnson for.

2614
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 17: He's you know, insurance in case somebody gets hurt, and

2615
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 17: his kickoff returner maybe you know that sort of thing.

2616
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 2: I just laughed.

2617
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 3: I was laughing because when of Paul's shows this morning

2618
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,400
Speaker 3: they were talking about, you know, shows the caller they

2619
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 3: nearly need to get to bring in a full back.

2620
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 3: Josh wants a full back.

2621
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 14: They could. I mean it's not wrong like.

2622
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 2: Lamp they they just eighth round.

2623
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 17: Maybe well I'm not saying you need to draft one

2624
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 17: or anything like that, but I think it if that's

2625
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,560
Speaker 17: how they want to, you know, kind of script their

2626
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 17: run game is to stick for the way mc daniels

2627
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 17: has always run the ball.

2628
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:14,879
Speaker 14: You know, they need they need to have the personnel

2629
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 14: to run it down.

2630
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 4: Find a full back above replacement like can maybe that.

2631
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 17: It doesn't have to be like a high asset like

2632
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 17: I don't know which is James Devlin was not like

2633
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 17: they didn't draft them in the second round or anything

2634
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 17: like that, Like no one's going to.

2635
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 4: Do that, could do it.

2636
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 3: Henry and Sunny Yorkshire overall very very happy with the season.

2637
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 3: Of course, disappointing not to win our last game, but

2638
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 3: we have to be happy with how things have played out.

2639
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 3: That being said, do we still find ourselves in the

2640
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,120
Speaker 3: same position as we were this time last year? Questions

2641
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 3: that all five O line positions need to find a

2642
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 3: number one receiver, Questions about depth across the defense, need

2643
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 3: to improve the pass rush. Like I say, very happy

2644
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 3: with how things played out, but we still have huge

2645
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 3: strides to take. So should be great, uh to watch

2646
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 3: or something about watching a few wins.

2647
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.

2648
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 7: I ain't.

2649
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 17: I think they're closer than a lot of these people

2650
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 17: are making it sound.

2651
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 14: I really do.

2652
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 4: This is that this is everybody sucks week. Though this

2653
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:12,160
Speaker 4: I don't understand it.

2654
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 2: Would they need a w R one?

2655
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, but that's like that's like a cherry on top

2656
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 14: thing that.

2657
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 3: Oh I don't think that's a cherry on top.

2658
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean I think they need a w

2659
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 2: R one. I don't think it's a cherry.

2660
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 17: I think they need Yeah, it's a cherry on top

2661
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 17: because they already have the foundation laid Like, they already

2662
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 17: have the quarterback, they already have a great coach, they

2663
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 17: already have pieces. So now you drop the wide receiver

2664
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 17: on top of it, and it's.

2665
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: More than a cherry.

2666
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:42,839
Speaker 3: It's I think it's foundational in this NFL.

2667
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 17: And today I'm saying that they're they're at that point

2668
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 17: now where they can start making these types of big swings.

2669
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 14: No, I'm not saying that as I don't. I think

2670
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 14: we're just no.

2671
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 2: But they need a true number one receiver.

2672
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 3: And when I say that, I don't mean they're not

2673
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 3: going to get your March or Justin Jefferson. When I

2674
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 3: say true number one receiver, I mean a guy that

2675
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 3: week in and week out, Drake May.

2676
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 2: Can depend on that.

2677
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 3: He's gonna he's gonna have production. He's going to end

2678
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 3: the season with or at least near one thousand yards

2679
01:57:16,680 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 3: and you know, over eighty catches.

2680
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 17: But I'm saying all I'm saying is is that they're

2681
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 17: at the win now move stage. Like acquiring a number

2682
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 17: one wide receiver, acquiring a star pass rusher like a

2683
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 17: Max Crosby. Those are your window is now and you're

2684
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 17: going to try to win one now. You won't do

2685
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 17: that as a necessarily as a rebuilding team, like when

2686
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 17: you're focus thirteen and you don't know if.

2687
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 3: You when you have your quarterback, it gets you the

2688
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 3: luxury of focusing elsewhere.

2689
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 14: Right now you're in that window.

2690
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 17: Like, I don't think that they have holes all over

2691
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 17: the roster still, I think that they have like three

2692
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 17: or four really big needs that if they can hit

2693
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 17: on them.

2694
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 14: Then they're going to be right back here where they

2695
01:57:58,320 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 14: were this year.

2696
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:02,879
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree with that, and I don't.

2697
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 17: Think that all the callers and emails we're getting are

2698
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 17: like the offensive a lot of.

2699
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 5: Like we have to address all five offensive line spots again,

2700
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 5: like you know, like clash, and I just I think

2701
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 5: that's too strong, too strong. You have to always be

2702
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 5: looking to improve. Mike and Evan been talking about this

2703
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 5: for weeks. I couldn't agree more with both of them.

2704
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:27,360
Speaker 5: You know, Mike perfect analogy the three to four Corey

2705
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 5: Dyllon thing, like you need to you know, if that's

2706
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 5: Max Crosby or someone like that, that's the kind of

2707
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 5: move they should be able to. They should be looking

2708
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 5: to make and able to make. Because of the situation

2709
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 5: you're in. Teams players are no longer going to say

2710
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 5: no to you just because of it's you.

2711
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 2: You know, you just came out of the super Bowl.

2712
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 17: That's but Corey, like Corey tracked out, like that's exactly it.

2713
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 14: It's the win now move. It's the push it over

2714
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 14: the top move.

2715
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I loved it as soon as Mike

2716
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 5: said that whenever, whenever you said it for the first time,

2717
01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 5: And I keep giving them credit for it.

2718
01:58:58,640 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 4: I appreciate.

2719
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's not the you know, we need bringing in

2720
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 17: that hungry. We have ten holes and we need to

2721
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 17: overhaul total.

2722
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:10,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we're gonna have another show on Tuesday, obviously,

2723
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 3: but you know we can Thursday. I mean, you know,

2724
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 3: we can talk about the viability of bringing in a

2725
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:17,959
Speaker 3: guy like Max Crosby.

2726
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 2: You know, what would it take?

2727
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 4: A first round pick? I think everybody here, Oh, you

2728
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 4: think you would.

2729
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 2: Give a first round pick for him?

2730
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 4: Oh?

2731
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 2: I would, well at thirty one.

2732
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, I think no, No, our pick is at one.

2733
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only twenty eight.

2734
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a needle mover in the worst way.

2735
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,320
Speaker 5: I just can't imagine you're getting him for less than

2736
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:39,120
Speaker 5: a first round pick.

2737
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Sometimes these guys go for less

2738
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: than you think.

2739
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'd sign up right now for thirty one.

2740
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:49,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Brady wouldn't let the Patriots get him.

2741
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 17: He's not anybody that's not out. He's just I mean,

2742
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 17: Diana Rossini is saying that Max Crosby wants to play

2743
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 17: for Rabel already.

2744
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:00,680
Speaker 14: She said that on radio last week.

2745
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 2: All right, like I said, we'll be back on Thursday.

2746
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, watching, Thanks for listening and watching all

2747
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 3: last week at Radio Row. I know, right, that was

2748
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Just wish we couldn't have, you know,

2749
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 3: finished the deal.

2750
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 7: Uh.

2751
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 3: But we will be back Thursday, and we'll be here

2752
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 3: every Tuesday and Thursday throughout the off season.

2753
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:32,400
Speaker 17: Tomorrow we move now taking the noon on Wednesday spot

2754
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 17: from season.

2755
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:37,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll fill your Wednesdays with the light banter

2756
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 3: of Evan, Lazar and Alex bar Alex came back with

2757
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:43,839
Speaker 3: a little hopping his steps.

2758
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 2: So I don't know what happened down there, but.

2759
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 3: Even though the Patriots lost, he seemed to be a

2760
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 3: little bit on the on the My Alex story was.

2761
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 17: On Monday morning, he texted, I get wake up to

2762
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 17: a text from Alex.

2763
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 4: It's just like, who is this woman knocking on my door?

2764
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 7: Oh?

2765
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 2: It was like why did I get a bill?

2766
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 7: Did that?

2767
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 14: So that really happened?

2768
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:06,120
Speaker 7: Huh? I know.

2769
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:09,200
Speaker 14: I was like, yeah, they lost, Yeah that was not

2770
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 14: a nightmare that.

2771
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 2: It's tough for you kids, I know. All right, see

2772
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 2: you Thursday.

2773
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 4: Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.

2774
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:18,880
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2775
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 4: To help us, make sure you like us wherever you

2776
02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:23,560
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2777
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 4: sure you follow us on the New England Patriots YouTube

2778
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 4: channel to see this show and everything else that we

2779
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 4: do here at the Patriots.

2780
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot,