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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here

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Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of

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Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible.

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Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means

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Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support.

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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 3: We have an amazing show for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Did we do?

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Speaker 3: It's another bro show.

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Speaker 2: There we go sad circumstances because one of Crystal's kids

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Speaker 2: is sick, but she will be back. She says that

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Speaker 2: one of our kids is on the mend and the

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Speaker 2: well is looking so don't worry about it. But we're

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Speaker 2: going to give her all the time that she needs.

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Speaker 2: And we thank you all for some of the messages

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Speaker 2: that you guys sent in. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 2: man were setting up these stories is tough, especially on

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Speaker 2: a day like today.

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Speaker 3: We have so many things to go over.

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Speaker 2: Ryan and I. Number one, We're going to start with

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four race. We're going to go over

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Speaker 2: since things look like where they're trending for the general election.

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Speaker 2: Biden and Trump, we've known that for a while. We're

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Speaker 2: going to look at some of the things that are

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Speaker 2: good for Biden, some of the things that are bad

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Speaker 2: for Biden, same with Trump and vice versa. Also some

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Speaker 2: breaking news yesterday, the Texas governor appears to be kind

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Speaker 2: of putting his middle finger in the face of President

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Speaker 2: Biden and the Supreme Court after being ordered to take

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Speaker 2: down some razor wire at the US southern border. This

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Speaker 2: is setting up a possible confrontation with the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Lots of Republican governors backing up Governor Abbott, and this

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Speaker 2: certainly could be a major story. On top of what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the border crisis continuing. We're also Ryan

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Speaker 2: and I going to break down some of what's happening

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Speaker 2: with the hoo thies and continuing war in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: Biden administration continues to say we're not at war in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East. We just happened to bomb three countries

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Speaker 2: in a single day. Boeing, You guys know, I love

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Speaker 2: airline stories and everything to do with that. Boeing, the

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Speaker 2: manufacturing crisis and more is just getting way worse for them,

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Speaker 2: Alaska Airlines CEO saying they found multiple doors with loose plugs,

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Speaker 2: and we have confirmation now from the Seattle Times that

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Speaker 2: it was in fact Boeing's fault for misinstalling that door.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about zen nicotine subject near

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Speaker 2: and dear to my own heart here, Ryan, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader.

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Speaker 3: He wants to ban zen pouches and nicotine.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. He came for four Loco first and now he's

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Speaker 2: coming for this. And then John Stewart. John Stewart is

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Speaker 2: returning to the Daily Show. He'll be the executive producer

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Speaker 2: there and it'll be hosting the show on Monday, trying

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Speaker 2: to rescue the corpse from what Trevor Noah has left behind.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, Emily cop is going to be joining

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Speaker 2: us actually in the studio. She is a phenomenal reporter

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Speaker 2: at the right. Is it right to do us right

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Speaker 2: to know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I've used some of her work here in the past.

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Speaker 2: It's about lab leek. Why don't you tell us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think reasonable debate on this question around COVID

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Speaker 4: origins is over as a result, Yes, of her latest reporting,

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Speaker 4: which comes from a bunch of Foya documents that she

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Speaker 4: pulled up without teasing too much of it. It's shut.

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Speaker 4: This is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, case is the case. It's the case is closed.

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Speaker 2: It's been closed for a while in my mind. But

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Speaker 2: Emily is the one who gave us the evidence. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to her, and you know, again,

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Speaker 2: I want to give total accolades. She has been an

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Speaker 2: But let's go in and begin with the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four race. Where do things stand exactly? I have been

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Speaker 2: keeping my eye ryan on the Biden HQ website and

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Speaker 2: see a consistent theme. Abortion, abortion, row, brow bro. That's

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Speaker 2: it seems to be the best, single electoral thing that

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Listen to what he says.

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Speaker 6: Trump says he's proud that he overturned Roby Wade. He said,

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Speaker 6: So let's be absolutely clear what Trump is bragging about.

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Speaker 7: The reason there are twenty one states where abortion bands

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Speaker 2: There you go, so you can see a preview of

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Speaker 2: where things are going. At the same time, President Biden

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Speaker 2: got a pretty good lift yesterday, Ryan, he got the

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Speaker 2: endorsement of the United Auto Worker Sean Fayne, who we've

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Speaker 8: Now, here's what Trump did to help the American auto

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Speaker 8: worker in our twenty twenty three historic stand up strike.

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Speaker 8: Now that he's running for president. He went to a

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 8: And here is what Joe Biden did during.

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Speaker 8: He heard the call and he stood up and he

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Speaker 8: about who you like, it's not about your party. It's

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Speaker 2: All right, Ryan, So abortion and unions, Normally I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: me ask you this, if you would you want Joe

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Speaker 3: Fought very, very hard for your more recent deal.

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Speaker 4: UAWS are no different than the rest of Americans in

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Speaker 4: And there was a major disruption at the at the

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Speaker 2: Glad that you put it that way, because that's like

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Speaker 9: So we met with Donald Trump two weeks ago, and

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Speaker 9: We've extended the invitation to President Biden. We're talking to

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Speaker 3: So he's invited President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Some people are going to spot Trump, right.

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Speaker 4: And and the way that it went down with with

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Speaker 2: including the Texas governor are showing, you know, they're making

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Speaker 2: this a big show, many GOP governors joining them as well,

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Speaker 2: being like that's right, Like he's defying the law technically.

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Speaker 2: And I asked some of my Republican lawyer friends, I said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: So the technical explanation is this.

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Speaker 2: The court order says, well, you can't obstruct the FEDS

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Speaker 2: from cutting the wire, but that doesn't mean you can't

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Speaker 2: put up a ton more wire. So there's definitely a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a loophole. It's certain, you know, almost

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Speaker 2: certain the Biden administration they either may challenge us in court,

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Speaker 2: they could send the FEDS and the mill. They could

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Speaker 2: try and federalize the Texas National Guard which is putting

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Speaker 2: this up. They're all kinds of very interesting possibilities. Jorge Venturo,

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Speaker 2: he's a great reporter over at News Nation, actually did

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Speaker 2: a segment of showing how the Texas officials actually putting

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Speaker 2: up even more razor wire after the decision yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to some of his report.

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Speaker 11: Texas officials say they are going to hold the line

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Speaker 11: and double down on their operations to side Shelby Park. Actually,

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Speaker 11: right now we're waiting to see Texas officials installing even

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Speaker 11: more of that razor wire and anti timing fencing.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 5: The reason why they're installing some of that razor wire

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Speaker 5: and fencing on top of the shipping containers is we

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Speaker 5: have witnessed several migrants went on top of the shipping

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Speaker 5: containers and entering Shelby Park illegally that way, Texas officials

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Speaker 5: say they're going to continue to beef up security here.

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Speaker 5: As of right now, federal agents are still not allowed

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Speaker 5: and shall be parked.

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Speaker 2: We take a look at the sea, don't we Here.

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Speaker 5: We're actually waiting scene right now migrants have actually been.

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Speaker 4: Blocked by that razor wire. They say they've been here

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Speaker 4: for at least two days.

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Speaker 5: Here we have three migrants from Venezuela who cannot enter

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Speaker 5: Shelby Parking. So this is exactly what the state of

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Speaker 5: Texas is trying to do.

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Speaker 2: So that was a important view kind of into the

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Speaker 2: whole standoff. I know you guys covered it a little

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Speaker 2: bit yesterday, but I think the background on all of

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Speaker 2: this is, obviously we've had between six and eight million

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Speaker 2: people cross the border illegally since Biden took office. This

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Speaker 2: has led to massive debates about catch and release, about

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Speaker 2: the remain in Mexico policy, about our asylum laws. We

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Speaker 2: could probably do an entire episode just on the background

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Speaker 2: of this, but the main political issue is that the

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Speaker 2: scenes of just like millions of people coming across, I

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Speaker 2: think everyone can just agree like this is not an

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Speaker 2: orderly process. Yeah, And that's where I think the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration suffers is that there have not been three years

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Speaker 2: now in a policy that they have been able to

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Speaker 2: find other than the original Trump policy, which was just

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Speaker 2: straight up remain in Mexico, meaning you have to apply

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Speaker 2: for asylum there and then if you're adjudicated and improved

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Speaker 2: you can enter where if you were trying to and

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Speaker 2: you are allowing people basically to enter the border and

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Speaker 2: you're doing it even crossing illegally, but then declaring asylum

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Speaker 2: and then try to adjudicate that here if you're not

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Speaker 2: going to hold them in some sort of detention center.

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Speaker 2: Catch and release is the inevitable outcome, and there's varying

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Speaker 2: data people like to put. Liberals like to say that

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Speaker 2: there's a ninety percent show uprate to the first court hearing.

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Speaker 2: Conservatives are like, yeah, but what about the final court

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Speaker 2: hearing whenever they lose their asylum claim. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of adjudication over asylum itself. But overall, Ryan, I think

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Speaker 2: this is a sleeper, potent issue, and I have not

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Speaker 2: seen the mainstream media actually catch up to it yet.

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Speaker 2: I've seen I saw coverage of the Scotus ruling, but

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Speaker 2: this particular one with the Governor Abbot basically saying I'm

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Speaker 2: going to defy this, I have not seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into Governor Abbot's statements, do you have

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Speaker 2: anything you want to go into, just.

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Speaker 4: That it's fascinating, how like you said, little of an issue.

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Speaker 4: This is both among the mainstream media but also among

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Speaker 4: Democrats democratic voters.

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Speaker 3: They're si to pretend they're like, don't care, right, it's

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Speaker 3: very odd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll if they see some images at the border,

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Speaker 4: they might say, oh, that doesn't look great, right, not

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Speaker 4: very rational, but it's but they're not going to spend

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Speaker 4: any political capital on it. They're not gonna They're not

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Speaker 4: going to criticize Biden. They're in such a difficult jam

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Speaker 4: because they're they're kind of ethics around immigration were forged

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Speaker 4: in the Trump years, and they took I think some

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Speaker 4: positions because they were anti Trump that they don't actually hold.

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Speaker 4: You know, they became far more kind of pro immigrant

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Speaker 4: and pro immigration than a lot of their kind of

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Speaker 4: a yeah, let's be real are but they were driven

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Speaker 4: by animates towards Trump, and so with Trump gone, now

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Speaker 4: they're like, we actually are not that pro immigrant. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: well but now we're kind of stuck because we have

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Speaker 4: signs in our yard.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and I think a lot of them are behold

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Speaker 2: into a lot of these immigration groups. You know, I

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Speaker 2: maintained the literal most genius move that these governors did

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Speaker 2: was all right, you guys are sanctuary cities. We're just

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Speaker 2: gonna ship them to you. Guys can deal with it.

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Speaker 2: You have all these laws right to shelter, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden you've got Long Island

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Speaker 2: Republicans and know they're sounding like people down in Texas,

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Speaker 2: They're like this is crazy. They're taking our our housing

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Speaker 2: and you got people's sleeping Boston Airport, and I mean

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Speaker 2: the clips on this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I cannot emphasize.

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Speaker 2: This is enough go viral in the right on such

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Speaker 2: a level that to a certain point other than those

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Speaker 2: who are dealing with this, like in Chicago, you know,

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Speaker 2: California and New York, they are living people like Democrats

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Speaker 2: and Republicans are living in a different reality. But this

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Speaker 2: is one of those I think reality forcing events, specifically

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Speaker 2: because it might lead to confrontation between the state of

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Speaker 2: Texas and the federal government. So Texas Governor Abbott put

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Speaker 2: out a statement yesterday, let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, and can we bring our nice little highlight

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Speaker 2: function there and I'm going to read this. He says.

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Speaker 2: President Biden has violated his oath to faithfully execute immigration

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Speaker 2: laws enacted by Congress. Instead of prosecuting immigrants for the

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Speaker 2: federal crime of illegal entry, President Biden has sent lawyers

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Speaker 2: into federal courts to sue Texas for taking action to

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Speaker 2: secure the border. President Biden has instructed his agencies to

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Speaker 2: ignore federal statutes that mandate detention of illegal immigrants. The

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Speaker 2: effect is to illegally allow their end mass parole into

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Speaker 2: the United States by waste seeing taxpayer dollars to tear

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Speaker 2: open Texas border security infrastructure. President Biden has enticed illegal

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Speaker 2: immigrants away from the twenty eight legal entry points along

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Speaker 2: the state's southern border bridges where nobody drowns, and into

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Speaker 2: the dangerous waters of the Rio Grand Let's go to

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Speaker 2: the next one, please, because this is an important pullout,

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Speaker 2: they say, for these reasons, I have already declared an

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Speaker 2: invasion under Article one ten, Clause three, to invoke Texas's

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Speaker 2: constitutional authority to defend and protect itself. Now, as I said,

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Speaker 2: all of this is being framed by the Texas governor

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Speaker 2: and by DeSantis. You know, even Governor Young Cain backed

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Speaker 2: them up. They're like, hey's standing up to President Biden.

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Speaker 2: I want to be very clear, they're not in violation

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Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court agreement, are they sup Court ruling?

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Speaker 2: The loophole is as long as you don't obstruct the

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Speaker 2: Feds from cutting the wire, you can still keep putting

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Speaker 2: up wire. Now will the Feds take them to court

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Speaker 2: and say, hey, you need to stop. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that seems politically pretty nuts on their part,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's one of those where they're in

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Speaker 2: a major standoff because border according and let me give

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Speaker 2: the Biden case. The Biden case here is that the

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Speaker 2: border patrol needs secure access to all points along the border.

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Speaker 2: That's their case.

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Speaker 3: The border Constitution gives the yeah, yeah, gives.

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Speaker 2: The Constitution gives the federal government and the authority in

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Speaker 2: order to take control and to have you know, supreme

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Speaker 2: supreme governance over border policy, even if you should disagree

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Speaker 2: with it. Texas is like, no, this obviously this is

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Speaker 2: our border state border in the Constitution, they have the

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Speaker 2: ability to invoke that invasion clause, which is one that

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Speaker 2: goes back a long time. You're speaking to a native

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Speaker 2: Texas here, and you know, we take it very seriously.

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Speaker 2: The ability, you know, the whole what was it Jade

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Speaker 2: Helm or whatever during Obama and all of that invoking

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Speaker 2: the Texas or in you know, bringing up the Texas

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Speaker 2: National Guard to guard against Obama and the federal government.

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Speaker 2: This is deep within our DNA. My only point just

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Speaker 2: being that at that time that was definitely political. This time,

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Speaker 2: I think this is and I think political in the

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Speaker 2: wrong way. Maybe good for Texas at the time, but

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Speaker 2: not nationally this time, because it's a forcing function to

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Speaker 2: get them, media and others to grapple with it. I

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Speaker 2: think they're in a tough spot because effectively, what the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration is saying is if they do challenge this

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Speaker 2: is they're like, no, we need more unfettered access for

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Speaker 2: people to be able to cross the border. The Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: they're not stupid, they know this is a huge problem

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Speaker 2: for them. But the groups, obviously these immigration groups and

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Speaker 2: others are the ones who are like, no, you need

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Speaker 2: to go through. I've seen people like Beto O'Rourke and

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Speaker 2: other Texas Democrats saying, you know, the federal government should

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Speaker 2: go in there and cut the wire. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's one of those where I just think politically,

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Speaker 2: given where national sentiment is on this and immigration is

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Speaker 2: the number one issue where Biden loses amongst the general

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Speaker 2: public and amongst independence, he's in a tough spot with

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Speaker 2: this case. And as long as that, as long as

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Speaker 2: Texas and all of them are, you know, whatever in

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Speaker 2: the spirit violating the spirit but not the letter of

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Speaker 2: the law, I think they're coming out on top in

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Speaker 2: this debate.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, there's no better kind of epitome of our

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Speaker 4: failed immigration policy than if you had a bunch of

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Speaker 4: Texas Rangers laying down razor wire followed by a bunch

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Speaker 4: of CVP guys cutting it right behind him, what is happening?

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Speaker 4: And then behind them is a bunch of rangers laying

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Speaker 4: more down. You've got hundreds of guys just fighting over

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Speaker 4: razor wire, and then you've got immigration crisis around.

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Speaker 2: Around the rest of a bunch of patients in Venezuelans

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Speaker 2: and Somali's being like, hey, can I come and.

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Speaker 4: With no with a system does the last updated in

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Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties, and what we are immigration policy now

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Speaker 4: is depending on who's in the White House. They just

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Speaker 4: execute it like wildly differently and then fight about it

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Speaker 4: in the courts until they're thrown out of office and

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Speaker 4: somebody else comes in.

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Speaker 2: It is really unfortunate, actually, because any serious effort to

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Speaker 2: try and do anything about this has been killed basically

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Speaker 2: left and right, and even the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just, you know, they look ridiculous. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they just look ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And John Kirby, we're gonna put this, you know, we

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Speaker 2: can play some of this when he's asked about the

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Speaker 2: razor wire. These people are like twisting themselves into knots

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Speaker 2: literally to try and to defend the policy of which

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Speaker 2: currently stands and which you know they're trying to stand

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Speaker 2: up to Texas, but then they're also not trying to

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Speaker 2: endorse like completely open border.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what they said.

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Speaker 4: Does Razor wire work?

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Speaker 12: Does Razor wire work for what?

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Speaker 2: Does it work for the border patrol to allow them

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Speaker 2: to have the access they need to be able to

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Speaker 2: to better process people that are trying to get across

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Speaker 2: the border. I don't think so, and that's why we

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Speaker 2: asked for it to be removed.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, there you go. It's like work for what.

655
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Speaker 3: But the problem that Trump was asked if the air

656
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Speaker 3: strikes are working exactly, it's a problem that they have

657
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Speaker 3: proms blow up, right.

658
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Speaker 2: The problem that they have is that the Border Patrol

659
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Speaker 2: Union is like, no, we need this, like we actually

660
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Speaker 2: need people to cross in an orderly fashion at the

661
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Speaker 2: legal entry points. That's kind of what's the major stand.

662
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Speaker 3: Ups The migrants would want that too, I'm not so sure.

663
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Speaker 3: I'm not sorry, So that's why a bunch of guys

664
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Speaker 3: waiting on the other side of that.

665
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Speaker 2: But look, maybe I think that the major point is

666
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Speaker 2: this is part of what obscures it as well, this

667
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Speaker 2: razor wire. This is a dent in the issue. All right,

668
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Speaker 2: Like the major problem is, Yeah, you can basically walk

669
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Speaker 2: into this country and be like I fear fear for

670
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Speaker 2: my life, and you can get stay here for like

671
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Speaker 2: two or three years while your case is adjudicated, even

672
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Speaker 2: though you're an economic migrant, and you get a work

673
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Speaker 2: permit from the federal government. Now listen, I think that's

674
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Speaker 2: crazy and I don't think that should be allowed. A

675
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Speaker 2: lot of people, though, they do think that.

676
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Speaker 4: Pretty sure, you don't get a work permit, which creates

677
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Speaker 4: this underclass of well, okay, very it's hard to get

678
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Speaker 4: the work so.

679
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Speaker 2: You can get the work permit. Some people don't get

680
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Speaker 2: the work permit. This also comes to the whole question

681
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Speaker 2: around everify. The Biden administration has been much more liberal

682
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Speaker 2: in terms of and I mean in terms of like,

683
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Speaker 2: oh like handing out Well.

684
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Speaker 3: They give a bunch of Venezuelan's work permits, but it's

685
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Speaker 3: not them.

686
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Speaker 2: There's different legal hard to get minutia that goes into

687
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Speaker 2: this as to whether you have a like a legitimate

688
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Speaker 2: asylum claim. And I know that this is very very difficult,

689
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Speaker 2: and it can also be very emotional because it's like, well, well,

690
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Speaker 2: what qualifies as asylum or not. It's like, if you

691
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Speaker 2: literally are being gunned down by gangs in the street,

692
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Speaker 2: does that qualify of asylum. Some people would say yes.

693
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Speaker 2: I personally would say no, because I would say it's like, listen,

694
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Speaker 2: that's a domestic problem, and that's your issue.

695
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Speaker 3: If you want better government, you guys can deal with

696
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Speaker 3: it in your house.

697
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Speaker 2: Ryan, I'm sure you're about to throw on my face like, well,

698
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Speaker 2: it's your fault that those gangs exist in the first place.

699
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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know, yeah, that's technically true. But

700
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Speaker 2: at certain points, like I like, what you can have this? Gyah,

701
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Speaker 2: I've done this so many times.

702
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: It's like I've been sitting here so many times.

703
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I guess what we can come to

704
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Speaker 2: some sort of consensus at least on this is that

705
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: the problem is that the incentive to fix it is

706
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Speaker 2: also very low. And perfect example of this, let's put

707
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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, is that Mitch mcconnald

708
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Speaker 2: just yesterday told a closed door meeting of Senate Republicans

709
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Speaker 2: that the politics of the border quote has now flipped

710
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Speaker 2: for Republicans casting doubt on the ability for any sort

711
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine border deal. He says, the politics of change,

712
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Speaker 2: and because he says, Trump, who he's referred to now

713
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Speaker 2: as the nominee, wants to run his twenty twenty four

714
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Speaker 2: campaign centered on immigration, and the GOP leader says, we

715
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Speaker 2: don't want to do anything to undermine him, demonstrating.

716
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Speaker 3: I mean and what he means by undermind.

717
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because normal people might not understand, yes, that what

718
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Speaker 4: they mean by undermind is implementing their preferred policy.

719
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so yeah, so I'll give the defense.

720
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Speaker 2: The defense is is that any sort of bipartisan deal

721
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Speaker 2: would undermine the total preferred policy of the Republicans in Trump.

722
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Speaker 2: So why would we compromise now when Trump, the nominee,

723
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Speaker 2: not only wants to run on the issue, but if

724
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Speaker 2: he wins and he can implement his policy. Now, I

725
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: will give you the counters to that. And by the way,

726
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Speaker 2: I do not support the bipartisan immigration deal. I am

727
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: a pretty big border hawk, but I will I do

728
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Speaker 2: live in the reality of the system. And I can

729
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: tell you that when Trump had unified control of Congress

730
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Speaker 2: and he was a president, he also was not able

731
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Speaker 2: a comprehensive border deal done. Those are the facts. I

732
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Speaker 2: just want to be very clear. The issue too, is

733
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Speaker 2: that unless you have a sixty vote majority or whatever

734
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Speaker 2: in the Senate, you're gonna have to go bipartisan there

735
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Speaker 2: no matter what, especially because they're not going to kill

736
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Speaker 2: the filibuster. You're going to do a bipartisan deal now,

737
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Speaker 2: or you're going to do it in the future. More

738
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Speaker 2: likely you just going to do it never because the

739
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Speaker 2: issue actually does work very well politically for most people.

740
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just so used to Democrats coming up with

741
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Speaker 4: excuses for why they can't do things and how they're

742
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Speaker 4: going to do things in the future that whenever I

743
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: hear it from any party, it's like you would rather

744
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Speaker 4: this just be a giant mess than actually than actually

745
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Speaker 4: solve the problem. So if you want to solve the problem,

746
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Speaker 4: and I would tell Republicans, Democrats are flat on their

747
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: back right now. They're ready to trade away the entire store,

748
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Speaker 4: steal it from them, and then if you do take

749
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Speaker 4: power in the future, be even more terrible.

750
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Speaker 2: And as possible.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's I do think that that's the

752
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Speaker 3: end of my Republican consultant here.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thank you. Ryan. I do think that one

754
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Speaker 2: of the major problems for the Republicans in that right

755
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: now was that a large portion I would say half

756
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Speaker 2: or so of the caucus they didn't even want Ukraine

757
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Speaker 2: aid anyways.

758
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Speaker 3: So they're like, why would I compromise with you on

759
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Speaker 3: the border.

760
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold you. I don't care about Ukraine.

761
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Speaker 2: I don't care about Ukraine AID. You're the one who

762
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Speaker 2: cares about Ukraine. You're like, I'm sitting here and I'm

763
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Speaker 2: just negotiating on the border. So I think that political

764
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Speaker 2: calculatus behind it was very stupid from the beginning. And

765
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Speaker 2: also what everybody forgets is the Speaker of the House,

766
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson said, I don't care what you

767
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Speaker 2: guys are doing. You either do HR two, which is

768
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Speaker 2: the House Republican bill, or nothing. That's the only thing.

769
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Speaker 4: I would agree to, right because Johnson's already kinda have

770
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Speaker 4: to shovel. He's going to shove a spending bill down

771
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Speaker 4: the right wings throat in the House. He's like, now

772
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Speaker 4: you want me to do something else? They don't like too,

773
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: and they get out of here. So it is that

774
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: funny situation where the Senate likes to operate as if

775
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Speaker 4: the House doesn't exist. Like that's kind of it's almost

776
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Speaker 4: in the constitution that the Senate will pretend the House

777
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Speaker 4: doesn't exist, right, and then they will pass all these

778
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: things and they'll find out the House, it's like.

779
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Speaker 3: Just not interested in playing it along with them.

780
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Speaker 2: My question for you is, how do you think that

781
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Speaker 2: Biden will handle this. Do you think he will escalate

782
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: to the court or do you think because right now

783
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Speaker 2: the media is not paying attention and it's just a

784
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Speaker 2: Republican story, this is not.

785
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Speaker 3: A bad moment for Biden.

786
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Speaker 4: Emily made a really interesting point elevating some reporting that

787
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Speaker 4: it looks like Biden may have cut a deal with Amlo.

788
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Speaker 4: What Biden will try to do is reduce the number

789
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Speaker 4: of images that we're seeing along along the border that

790
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Speaker 4: will damage him politically. One way you do that is

791
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Speaker 4: you work with the Mexican government and say what do

792
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Speaker 4: you need? And there were there were a lot of

793
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Speaker 4: reports that Trump did the same thing that in election years.

794
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Speaker 4: He talked to the Mexican government and either he wants

795
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Speaker 4: a caravan, or he doesn't want a caravan, or you

796
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 4: know whatever, whatever he can do. The Mexicans do have

797
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 4: a significant amount of power to you know, block people down,

798
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Speaker 4: you know, from using the train system from down at

799
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Speaker 4: the border, down with Guatemala and otherwise to influence what

800
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Speaker 4: we're seeing at the Mexico US border. So I think

801
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Speaker 4: Trump will do a lot of that because he's got

802
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Speaker 4: that that he has leeway over. That's foreign policy. Pick

803
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: up the phone, am Low, look buddy, now, no, Amlo.

804
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Speaker 4: Then has political decisions he has to make about whether

805
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: or not he wants to do that, or whether or

806
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Speaker 4: not he wants whether or not he wants to and

807
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: how much he wants to anger Trump because you have

808
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: this weird irony that Trump would actually be upset because

809
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Speaker 4: he wants more chaos, yes, at the border, so he

810
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 4: can complain about the chaos. It's all cynical, top to bottom,

811
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: all the way down. Yeah, it's very both party.

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Speaker 3: It's honestly very sad.

813
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Speaker 2: It is. It is actually a tragic situation because you

814
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Speaker 2: know what we're talking about this in politics and all that,

815
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: we're talking about millions of pepieces people's lives. Yeah, and

816
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: a lot of them die actually on the journey. It's

817
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: a very difficult journey. A lot of them, you know,

818
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: children and others.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the expos It's just one of the

820
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: biggest things they're going to do in their entire life.

821
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Speaker 4: It's uprooting. It's bad from the place that they were

822
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Speaker 4: born and raised somewhere that they don't.

823
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Speaker 2: Know right, And there's a lot of uncertainty involve which

824
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: why it's not really fair to anybody, both the people

825
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: who live here and the people who are coming here.

826
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Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is is that it ain't getting

827
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Speaker 2: resolved anytime soon. And this is definitely a major standoff,

828
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Speaker 2: and I am very curious to see how the Biden

829
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: adminstration handles if they're going to escalate it or if

830
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: they're just going to let it sit. Kind of where

831
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Speaker 2: things are the current staces is not a terrible situation

832
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: for Biden because look, it's to his benefit that less

833
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Speaker 2: people come in the Texas Governor. I mean, this guy

834
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: like he can write off this for the rest of

835
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Speaker 2: his life. I'm telling you, you know, in terms of

836
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Speaker 2: like this is mobilized the right in a way that

837
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen. Also in a long time, he got

838
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Speaker 2: Governor Youngkin Abbot, every Brian Kemp and all these people

839
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: are like, come on, Governor Abbot, all of this, Abbot's

840
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: going to be a star, you know, in the Republican Party.

841
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: Righting off of something like this. He wants confrontation with

842
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: the FEDS. I wonder if Biden will give it to

843
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: him or not. I don't really think it's in his

844
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: interest either. There is no major, as you said, democratic

845
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: constituencies like no, Joe, go stick it to Graud.

846
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Speaker 4: I don't want to think about it.

847
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: They don't exactly they don't want to think about it.

848
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Speaker 2: They just kind of want the whole thing to go away.

849
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Speaker 2: So we'll see. All right, let's move on to the

850
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Speaker 2: hoo thies. This is one where right, I'm really going

851
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Speaker 2: to rely on you for this. I will just kick

852
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: things off with a really funny clip from the Pentagon

853
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: where Pentagon reporters, who are smart, they're like, hey, so

854
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 2: are we at war in the Middle East?

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Speaker 4: They keep asking them this, yeah, question.

856
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Speaker 3: You guys bomb three countries yesterday, so what's going on?

857
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Speaker 2: And the Pentagon just to continue to be clown itself

858
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Speaker 2: and say, no, we're not at war in the Middle East,

859
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Speaker 2: even though yes, we did bomb three countries yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Let's take a lesson, Well, Carlo, we've been working for

861
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Speaker 10: a very long time on regional security and stability, not

862
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Speaker 10: only in the Middle East but around the world. And

863
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Speaker 10: so we'll continue to work very closely with allies and

864
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Speaker 10: partners globally to address tensions in the Middle East. You know,

865
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Speaker 10: since Hamas's attack against Israel, of course, we've been very

866
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Speaker 10: focused on deterrence and on preventing a wider regional conflict,

867
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Speaker 10: and we'll stay focused on that.

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Speaker 1: And what about his words on the brink is the

869
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Speaker 1: US on the brink of war right now in the

870
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Speaker 1: Middle East.

871
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 10: We are not at war in the Middle East. Clearly,

872
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 10: there are significant tensions in the Middle East, and again

873
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 10: we're working closely with allies and partners to de escalate

874
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Speaker 10: and reduce those tensions where we can, recognizing the fact

875
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Speaker 10: that you know, others have a vote as well.

876
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Speaker 4: Okay, got it very clear, We're going to keep de

877
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Speaker 4: escalating tensions with these bombs.

878
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Speaker 2: It seems obvious to me he doesn't want to say

879
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: we're at war because legally we're not at war, and

880
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: legally Congress is the one who is supposed to authorize war.

881
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 4: The best one was on Tuesday, one of the many

882
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Speaker 4: countries that we bombed with Somalia and the AFRICAM put

883
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: out a statement announcing the bombing and said, in an

884
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Speaker 4: act of self defense, Yes, the US forces bombed al

885
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Speaker 4: Sha Bob Millits. It's like self defenselew. You flew halfway

886
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: around the globe just to bomb people in Somalia, and

887
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: you're going to pretend to tell us that this was

888
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 4: about self defense. Maybe you needed to do that. Maybe

889
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: these were the worst people on the planet, and it's

890
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: wonderful that your your bombs blew them to smithereens. But

891
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Speaker 4: let's not pretend that this had anything to do with

892
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: self imminent self defense. And you had uh, you had

893
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Speaker 4: Mike Lee, Todd Young, Chris Murphy and Tim Kaine. Who

894
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: are you know, these are some you know, serious very

895
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: across the yeah, across the board.

896
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Speaker 7: Here.

897
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: This is not this is not Bernie teaming up here

898
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Speaker 4: with anybody righting to the White House saying if these

899
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Speaker 4: are that, you have the right to respond immediately in

900
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: a self defense capacity. Obviously there's a ship somewhere, there's

901
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: a boat coming at it, or a missile coming at it,

902
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 4: you can take action against that threat. Nobody says you

903
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: need to like get a declaration of war to Congress

904
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Speaker 4: before you can stop a speedboat, you know, with with

905
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: explosives attached to it. If you are in prolonged hostilities

906
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Speaker 4: that you have entered yourself into, you need authority. Even

907
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: Ben Cardon, who's as close to the White House as

908
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Speaker 4: hawkish as you can get, said that if they're going

909
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: to continue this, they're going to need to get on

910
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: sound or legal footing. So across the board, people are

911
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: recognizing that this is not really sustainable.

912
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Speaker 3: I love hearing from the Defense Department.

913
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: Because the words that they use are so just the

914
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: opposite of what we understand them to me.

915
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: Well, they're all couched in legality.

916
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Speaker 2: So like you said, US forces have the authorization to

917
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: act in self defense basically anywhere, and they can do

918
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Speaker 2: anything that they want. That's why they say it all.

919
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 4: And they keep saying that we really don't want the

920
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: war to spread, want we want the hostilities to de escalate.

921
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Speaker 4: And the way their argument to give them as much

922
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Speaker 4: credit as possible, is that that deterrence is the thing

923
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 4: that is going to de escalate. And the way that

924
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Speaker 4: you get your deterrence is by dropping bombs everywhere, because

925
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Speaker 4: then everybody's scared of you and they're going to re

926
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Speaker 4: treat problem for them is that there's no evidence that

927
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Speaker 4: are on or its.

928
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Speaker 3: Proxies are deterred by the fact that we have lots

929
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Speaker 3: of bombs.

930
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Speaker 2: To that, Ryan, there was an interesting thing I wanted

931
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Speaker 2: to get your take on. Let's put this up there

932
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Speaker 2: on the screen. Where the US is currently asking China

933
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Speaker 2: to help bail it out of the Red Sea attacks.

934
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Speaker 2: It says the US has asked China to urge Tehran

935
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Speaker 2: to rein in the Hoothy rebels. According to American officials,

936
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Speaker 2: they've repeatedly raised the issue with top Chinese officials in

937
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Speaker 2: the past three months. US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan

938
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Speaker 2: and others actually spoke directly to the head of the

939
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Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party's International department, so did the Secretary of State,

940
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: and yet there has been zero Chinese pressure so far.

941
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: What do you make of this?

942
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: Is it an admission of diplomatic failure?

943
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Speaker 11: Is it?

944
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Speaker 2: I mean, I personally think it's just humiliating because you

945
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: have your main geopolitical rival and you're going to them

946
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, hey, guys, this is bad for you too,

947
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: and they're like, is it They're like, because I'm raking

948
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: in cash, you know, I'm like, you're your carriers the

949
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: ones who are paying all these extra prices euros. You

950
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: guys are the ones paying for the inflation. They're like,

951
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: we're sitting here pretty, We're actually doing fine.

952
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: The fact that this idea ever got off the State

953
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: Department whiteboard shows just how bankrupt and out of ideas

954
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Speaker 4: they are. So we could count the layers of absurdity here.

955
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Speaker 4: First of all, the Houthis have actually, uh, the Houthis

956
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: are warning ships before they fire on them. And the

957
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Speaker 4: Houthians have told Russia and China that they're not going

958
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: to attack Russia, Russian, and Chinese ships as long as

959
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: those ships are not going to Israeli ports. We don't

960
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: talk about that here in the United States because we

961
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Speaker 4: pretend that the Houthis are a kind of nihilistic bunch

962
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: of pirates who were just doing these things, these mean

963
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Speaker 4: things to these ships for no reason. Russia and China

964
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Speaker 4: are both aware of what the who these regional interests are,

965
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Speaker 4: and what their global interests are and what their domestic

966
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Speaker 4: interests are, and it's not to attack Chinese and Russian ships.

967
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Speaker 4: So why are the Chinese and Russians so concerned about?

968
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 7: Now?

969
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: Some of a lot of Chinese goods operate on US

970
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Speaker 4: linked ships. So that's where the US thinks. Okay, China

971
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Speaker 4: is having a problem here because now shipping costs are

972
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Speaker 4: going up. Do we have the we can put the

973
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Speaker 4: Suez Canal traffic?

974
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Speaker 2: Guys, can we please put up the next elements three element?

975
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Speaker 4: So you're seeing Suez Canal traffic just absolutely plummet. That's

976
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Speaker 4: raising prices of shipping. The State Department thinks to itself, Okay, well,

977
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Speaker 4: now the Chinese are upset because they're spending a little

978
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Speaker 4: bit more for shipping costs. That's absurd because you know,

979
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: China is sitting on you know, mountains of our cash

980
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Speaker 4: for geopolitical advantage. They're constantly spending that money, and they're

981
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: they're okay to take a little tiny hit if if

982
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: it is causing us as much geopolitical damage as it is.

983
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Speaker 4: So right off the bat, there's no reason to think

984
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Speaker 4: that the Chinese are going to bail us out, because

985
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: we're getting hurt worst by it than they are.

986
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Speaker 3: The maybe third or fourth layer of absurdity.

987
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: Is that China. First of all, Tehran does not run

988
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Speaker 4: the hooties. Tehran has influence over the bothies. US has

989
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 4: influence over Israel. Israel operates with its own a agency.

990
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: Good point as well.

991
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: But China does not run Tehran. They talk sometimes and

992
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 3: they do business.

993
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: They talk.

994
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: You have influence that China is a big country that

995
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: Tehran's going to listen to.

996
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: Absolutely, China's on the phone the Iranian the I told

997
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: him he's going to pick it up.

998
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: He's taken that call. He's leaving whatever meeting, is going

999
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: to take that call. That does not mean that he's

1000
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 4: going to do whatever China asks them to do.

1001
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: Good point.

1002
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all of this, you know, is as

1003
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: we always say, you know, it's not like the hooty

1004
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: thing came out of a vacuum. A lot of it

1005
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: stems back to Israel. And this is where the interesting

1006
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: point about is really pressured domestically for a cease fire

1007
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: may be increasing.

1008
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.

1009
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: We gave some of the preview of this the last

1010
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: time that we did a show together Ryan about these

1011
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: Israeli hostage families that crashed into this Kinesset meeting. But

1012
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: this time, you know, it's really starting to get attention internally,

1013
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: and they say, here, these really hostage families. Quote have

1014
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: nothing to lose in this push for a new deal,

1015
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: and the new deal that the Israeli government the warcap

1016
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: it had approved was a release of all hostages in

1017
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: exchange for two months. Easefire doesn't seem that it's being

1018
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: widely entertained, but clearly there's a lot of pressure because

1019
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: you have one hundred and thirty two hostages who remain

1020
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 2: in captivity. They say twenty eight of them are believed

1021
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: to have been dead either of injuries of Hamas or

1022
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: claim to have been killed by Israeli troops currently in

1023
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: the situation. But in general it does seem that many

1024
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: of these families have quote now mounted large scale demonstrations,

1025
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: met with officials, and are papering the entire country with posters,

1026
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: including traveling abroad to try and drum up global awareness.

1027
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: What do you make of that pressure inside of Israel

1028
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: and what effect it might have here on the heavy.

1029
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: Situation I think politically speaking. Oh one complication that also

1030
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 4: never gets mentioned the press, that we should yeah let

1031
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: our viewers into is that Hamas does not actually have

1032
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 4: all of these hostages. Like Hamas has released a lot

1033
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: of the civilian ones, what's remaining are mostly.

1034
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Reservists, et cetera.

1035
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but a bunch of gangs and thugs and other

1036
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 4: groups went over the border on October seventh and have

1037
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 4: some we don't know, nobody knows how many, but it

1038
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 4: absolutely is some and a non trivial number. And so

1039
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 4: it's not even clear that Hamas and Hamas might be

1040
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: embarrassed in that sense, because you know, they're supposed to

1041
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: have total control.

1042
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: So you mean like criminal gangs palaestin In Isami Chihan.

1043
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 4: And they might not even know where they are, have

1044
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: the compacity, like Hamas could reach a deal with Kut

1045
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: or reaches a deal with Israel, and then Hamas might

1046
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 4: not be able to deliver on some of these So

1047
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: some of that is embarrassing for them. But separately from

1048
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: the Israeli government perspective, I feel like they have politically,

1049
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: they have two options. You know, they can reach a

1050
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: deal that releases the hostages, or they can achieve their

1051
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: military objectives of annihilating Hamas, wiping out the Palestinians and

1052
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: kind of basically repopulating it with Israeli settlements, which you

1053
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: hear from so many of the far right members of

1054
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 4: the of the current Israeli government. They are clearly failing

1055
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: at that first one, like Hamas is not eliminated. Their

1056
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: efforts to clear buffer zones the other day led to

1057
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Speaker 4: twenty one Israeli casualties. And so I think from an

1058
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Speaker 4: Israeli public that is saying, Okay, you're not accomplishing your

1059
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: primary objective. If you were, then maybe we could understand

1060
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: what you said in the beginning that you were going

1061
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: to be ruthless with the hostages. But if you're not

1062
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: accomplishing you're a military objective, then just get the hostages back,

1063
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: like you no longer have an excuse to refuse to

1064
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: negotiate over these hostages.

1065
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Speaker 3: And so they came forward with this two months cease

1066
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Speaker 3: fire offer.

1067
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: Whether it'd be a pause, release all the hostages, there'd

1068
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: be some release of Palestinian hostages, and then the hostilities

1069
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 4: would resume. And Hamas, and I think a lot of

1070
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Speaker 4: Palestinians is like, so in two months, are you going

1071
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: to let in enough humanitarian aid? It's not an end

1072
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: to this crisis. And then we've lost our bargaining ship,

1073
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: and then you're just going to just continue carpet bombing

1074
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: the place.

1075
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Speaker 2: That's a good point, that's actually a good segue to

1076
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Speaker 2: our next part here about the hostage of what is

1077
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: the demolishing buildings and the buffer zone. This is where

1078
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: those twenty four soldiers were actually killed. And one of

1079
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: these missions. Let's put this up there on the screen.

1080
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Speaker 2: This was part of the mission. It says Israel demolishing

1081
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: buildings to create a buffer zone within Gaza. It's unclear

1082
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: today what that buffer zone exactly, is how big it

1083
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Speaker 2: would be and whether it would be sanctioned by the

1084
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Speaker 2: international community. So Ryan, can you give us some of

1085
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: the details here and how this will fly in the

1086
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: face and you have problems with overall US diplomacy.

1087
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: So basically, the Iron Dome cannot protect Israeli kibbutzim that

1088
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: are right up against for obvious reasons right now, if

1089
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: you're that close. And that's why so many basically all

1090
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: residents in Israeli residents of that area have safe rooms

1091
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: so that these mortar shells are constantly fault you know,

1092
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: coming from Gaza and landing near these team and so

1093
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 4: they would sleep in safe rooms. And they thought that

1094
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: that was kind of enough that they could kind of

1095
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: quote unquote manage the conflict in the long term.

1096
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Speaker 3: October seventh proved that not to be the case.

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Speaker 4: And so currently you have a displacement crisis in Israel

1098
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: because you have tens of thousands of people from the

1099
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 4: north that have left North of Israel, that have left

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00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: because of the fighting with Hesbela, And you have tens

1101
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people who

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00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: have left the Neck of Desert because of the hostilities

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00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: in Gaza, and so they're living in hotels, they're living

1104
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 4: with relatives. There was already a housing crisis in Israel,

1105
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: which is related to why there are now seven hundred

1106
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: thousand settlers in the West Bank, because it's cheap housing

1107
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 4: for the Israeli population, just like in the United States.

1108
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: The one way we buy off our population cheap housing,

1109
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: go west, young man. And so in order to relieve that,

1110
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 4: they're trying to get people to be able to move

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00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: back to the kibbutzs in southern Israel. And and what

1112
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: what they are now saying is we need a buffer zone.

1113
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: So we're going to demolish all of these uh civilian

1114
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: and residential areas that are kind of within X distance. Yes,

1115
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: and this one was only six hundred meters away from

1116
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: from a Kablutz. But there's others that are that are

1117
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 4: further away. Say anything with a line of sight they're

1118
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: going to knock down. International law is extremely clear.

1119
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: I was going to say, so, how does this complicate

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00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: US diplomacy, international law?

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Speaker 4: And under international law, if you want a buffer zone,

1122
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 4: you have to use your own territory to do it,

1123
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: Like you don't want to live too close to us.

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00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 4: It's like, it's like if San Diego wanted a buffer

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00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: zone between it and Tijuana, they'd have to knock down

1126
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 4: san Diego. You can't, you can't go into Tijuana, be

1127
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: like this is too close. Yes, we're leveling this right

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00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 4: and so separately the United States, international law whatever that

1129
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: is what it is. The United States has said one

1130
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: of their lines, and I want to call it a

1131
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 4: red line, because they've said there are no red lines.

1132
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 4: But one of the public things that they've insisted Israel

1133
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: not to is take land from Gaza to create buffer zones.

1134
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: They've said, do not do that. Is Israeli government continues

1135
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: to say, we are going to do that.

1136
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: So I have some update on that.

1137
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: John Kirby was actually asked about this by the Financial Times.

1138
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: He says, quote, we do not want to see the

1139
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: territory of Gaza reduced in any way. However, the Secretary

1140
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: of State Anthony Blincoln struck a softer line on Tuesday,

1141
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: saying that while the US is clear about not encroaching

1142
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: on Gazen territory, there might be scope for quote transitional arrangements.

1143
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Not exactly sure what that means, but.

1144
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 4: I think actually the euphemism just dropped.

1145
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that the major actual diplomatic crises that

1146
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: might come out of this may not involve America.

1147
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: It's actually probably Egypt. Let's put this up there on

1148
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: the screen.

1149
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: Egypt actually lashed out yesterday saying that extremist Israeli leaders

1150
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: are seizing Gazen Egyptian buffer Zone territory because of nets

1151
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: and Yahu's suggestion that Israel is going to have to

1152
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: take control of the one hundred yard buffer zone on

1153
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: the Gaza side of the Egypt and Gaza border. The

1154
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: Israelis are like, Hey, this is the Philadelphia Corridor, this

1155
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: is the above ground and through tunnels. This is where

1156
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: a lot of the supplies and the smuggling and the

1157
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: weapons and all that comes through. The head actually of

1158
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: the Egyptian State Information Service said on Monday. This is

1159
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: an attempt to create legitimacy of the Israeli government's real

1160
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: goal of occupying the border corridor in violation of the

1161
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: security agreements that have been signed between those two neighbors.

1162
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: Will remember that if we go back and we think

1163
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: about Oslo, and we think about some of the other

1164
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: international gream all the way going back to sixty seven

1165
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: and you know, Jordan and all the control of the

1166
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: border and all of that, Egyptian control of that border

1167
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: has always been very important. The Rougha crossing today remains

1168
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: the main thoroughfare of humanitarian aid and others. And especially

1169
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 2: if we consider, you know, in the future, the idea

1170
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: of people in Gaza crossing the Israeli border to go

1171
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: work in Israel probably seems like zero.

1172
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: For me, What do you think in five years, I

1173
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: don't think that's.

1174
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: Going to happen. And so if that's the case, it's

1175
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: very hard to see.

1176
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not going to happen.

1177
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: Right, So if we think about that, then we're talking

1178
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: about really the only way in and out of the country,

1179
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, we're going to take control of that.

1180
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: That really is going to rankle a lot of people.

1181
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: Inside of Egypt, because this is now a problem of

1182
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: sovereignty on their part and of violation of agreement that

1183
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: they have signed. And these people have fought two wars

1184
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: in the past.

1185
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: It's not a joke, right, and the Egyptians and the

1186
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: Palestinians and the UN have all said this humanitarian crisis,

1187
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: where we're talking about two million people being in the

1188
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: grips of famine, on the brink of starvation, dying from disease,

1189
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 4: is caused by the Israeli government, you know, restricting the

1190
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 4: amount of humanitarian aid that can get into the country.

1191
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: There is also a border in the north between Israel

1192
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: and Godz that is just completely shut down. Israel has

1193
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: complete control over that. If they could load every truck

1194
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 4: and make sure that all that's in there is baby formula,

1195
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: diapers and aspirin and roll those trucks through there, there

1196
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 4: would be no question, because these these are the ones

1197
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: loading the trucks that there are going to be weapons

1198
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: or RPGs or new amo for Hamas. The people in

1199
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 4: the north are perhaps suffering more than even the people

1200
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: down in the south because Israel's blocking getting humanitarian relief

1201
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: through their own border and is also bombing any convoy

1202
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: that goes from the south up to the north and

1203
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: refusing to deconflict. And so you have a situation where

1204
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 4: people are just scrounging, like absolute hunger Games style stuff

1205
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: in the north. And so Egypt is the like. And

1206
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: you think we're going to turn over the southern border

1207
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 4: to you as well, which is our border. Given what

1208
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 4: we have seen, you do like you have lost all

1209
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: moral legitimacy to maintain any any any any immigration or

1210
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: border control on the Egyptian side. And so and also

1211
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: CC and BB have not spoken since October seventh, is

1212
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: what the reporting is. Wow, and they crazy it's there,

1213
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: nator like because the Egyptian and Israeli normalization was one

1214
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 4: of the great triumphs of Israeli foreign policy.

1215
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: All right, final thing, Ryan, you've got You have got

1216
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: a story for us involving playing cards.

1217
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: Why don't you tell us?

1218
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: So we have a picture of said playing cards you

1219
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: can put up there screen. These are reminiscent of what

1220
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: were these the same playing cards from the Iraq War

1221
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: and now these are being sold and you have the

1222
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: exclusive on the story, so go ahead and tell us

1223
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: about it.

1224
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 4: Yes, in fact, we do have an exclusive here. So

1225
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 4: a group of critics of Israel's war effort, okay, led

1226
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: by a man name Ashesh Prashar, who's a kind of

1227
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 4: UK kind of political consultant. You may have heard of him,

1228
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: well known in the UK. Worked for Boris Johnson Tony

1229
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 4: Blair as when Tony Blair was Midi's envoy. The rest

1230
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 4: of the folks involved in this are remaining anonymous, but

1231
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 4: they have created a deck of cards kind of modeled

1232
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: after the US created deck of war criminal cards in

1233
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 4: the era during the Iraq War.

1234
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: Remember they were going out out and try.

1235
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: To They're also working loosely with international human rights organizations

1236
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 4: and prosecutors around the world. Uh in at least these

1237
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 4: countries Switzerland, Mexico, Bolivia, Ireland, Spain, Belgium, and Columbia. And

1238
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 4: in each of these countries they are they're finding they're

1239
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: working with either human rights organizations or prosecutors to try

1240
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: to file charges if they can get an Irish judge

1241
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 4: to issue arrest warrants anybody who comes into the EU

1242
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: at that point going to struggle point. The cards are

1243
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: a propaganda device to keep it in the mind, keep

1244
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 4: it in people's minds. But here let's here. I'll show

1245
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 4: you a couple of them here. So here we got.

1246
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

1247
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: The sixth of Spades is Brett McGirk, who is kind

1248
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 4: of the midi Us, the Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs.

1249
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: Matt Miller impressed, impresses the spokesperson, Matt Miller. So let's

1250
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 4: see if you can follow. You have any money on you?

1251
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: Yes?

1252
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 4: Here?

1253
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: What do we need?

1254
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: Okay, let's play for twenty What do you think twenty bucks?

1255
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: Geez?

1256
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: Okay, here you go.

1257
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 4: You got to follow? How about you? How about you follow?

1258
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 4: You want to follow that yaho?

1259
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll follow it.

1260
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 7: Here we go?

1261
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: Yes, all right? Right, oh, all right, it's yours. It's

1262
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: here's Ryan.

1263
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 4: Thank it, keep it and you can keep that in Yaho.

1264
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay. If you see him, report him to authority. All right,

1265
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: we'll have a link down in the description for all

1266
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: of it.

1267
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: You can keep it, all right always at the war

1268
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: Criminals dot com if people want to buy their own deck.

1269
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: That is a pretty prized up.

1270
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 4: Forty percent of profits are going to Gaza charities. Uh.

1271
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 4: The rest is being kept for taxes and also for

1272
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: possible defamation judgments in the future, which is always nice

1273
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: to set that aside. If you've got a deck of

1274
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 4: work criminal.

1275
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: Cards, interesting stuff, we'll have a link down there in

1276
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: the description. Okay, let's move on to Boeing. There's some

1277
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: crazy stuff going on in the world of Boeing. The

1278
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: Alaska Airline CEO, who originally it was their plane that

1279
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: was affected by those loose door plugs, has now come

1280
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: out and said to NBC News that actually they have

1281
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: found many other aircraft that have been affected by that issue.

1282
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: Here's what we had to say.

1283
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 13: We found some loose bolts on many of our Max

1284
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 13: nine So those many, Yeah, so those are things that

1285
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 13: are going to be rectified through the inspection process.

1286
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 2: Flight twelve eighty two was a new Boeing Max nine.

1287
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 12: The door plug covers an unused emergency exit in planes

1288
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 12: with fewer seats.

1289
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 4: It makes you mad. It makes you mad.

1290
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 13: That we're finding issues like that on Branding airplanes.

1291
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 12: Thankfully, no one was sitting next to the plug when

1292
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 12: it exploded. Looking at that video and those photos, did

1293
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 12: you think, my god, what if somebody were sitting there.

1294
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 13: There were only seven open seats, and we had a

1295
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 13: guardian angel honestly on that airplane, and I just want

1296
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 13: to take a moment here to say how sorry I

1297
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 13: am for our guests on flight twelve eighty two for

1298
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 13: what the experience was just a terrifying flight. It makes

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Speaker 13: me angry. Tom Boeing is better than this, and flight

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Speaker 13: twelve eighty two should never have happened. Should never have happened.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty diplomatic way of saying, screw you Boeing again.

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Speaker 2: And look, Boeing has had some real issues now in

1303
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: the last month, let's put this up there. In the

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01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: last twenty days, Boeing seven thirty seven has a panel

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01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: ripoff in midair, cockpit windows cracked. On January thirteenth, Boeing

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01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: seven thirty seven stranded Anthony Blincoln, Boeing seven forty seven

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: cargo plane burned up in the sky. January twentieth, Boeing

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01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: plane in Atlanta loses a wheel, and January twenty fifth,

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01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: Boeing has to pause all production quote for a quality

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01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: focused day. And I would say that's pretty warranted because

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Speaker 2: the news is now coming out from the Seattle Times,

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: which has done phenomenal investigations into Boeing now for years

1313
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: and years, and they say that the door plug that

1314
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: blew off of the Alaska Airlines Max nine jet this

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: month was removed for repair and reinstalled by Boeing Mechanics

1316
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: at its rent in assembly line. Starting a person who

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01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: was familiar with the matter that Boeing is refusing to comment,

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01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: saying that they cannot do so because of the NTSB investigation.

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: But this shows that currently Boeing had the key role

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: in installing and checking that part. Previously, Boeing was trying

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: to put some of the blame or at least cast

1322
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: out that it may have been their fault, it could

1323
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: have been their supplier, Spirit Aerosystems. What people forget is

1324
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: that Spirit aerosystem is actually spun off by Boeing back

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. It was part of their

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: whole financial reorganization of the company. You can spin it off,

1327
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 2: you can still buy from them. It's all just bs,

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of boosting their stock, same thing

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the stock buybacks. But what's coming to

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01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: light now is a genuine crisis I think you know

1331
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: for this company because you have now three incidents from

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Speaker 2: Alaska Airlines to the seventh third seven max is that

1333
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: literally fell out of the sky and killed hundreds of

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Speaker 2: people in the span of what five six years. That's

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Speaker 2: how you kill one hundred year old company. Yeah, when

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01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: people are dead, and as the CEO said, I mean,

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: if somebody was sitting there, it's very possibly could again

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01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: sucked out of the sky. And actually even if nobody

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: was sitting there and that accident happened at higher altitude

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Speaker 2: from what I had read from aviation experts, absolutely it's

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Speaker 2: on the table. For there was an incident over a

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01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: United flight many many years ago over I think it

1343
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: was over the ocean. It was like somewhere to Honolulu.

1344
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: Same thing as like nine people got sucked out of

1345
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: the plane. They never even found their bodies. Imagine that.

1346
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: That's a whole other story too. And they definitely and

1347
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: they would have been directly responsible for that if it's

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01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: their fault here. Yeah, when as a as a.

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Speaker 4: Flyer, you start going from oh Man, I hope I

1350
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 4: can get the emergency roads, I can have extra leg rooms.

1351
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 4: You like, hope I don't get the emergency road because

1352
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 4: I might get sucked out the door and into the sky.

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 4: Then you know you have a problem. Ye Pete Buddha

1354
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 4: Judge is announcing. You know, the Lever News has been

1355
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: doing great work past the Road Is News organization. Following

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 4: some of that, the Buddha Judge announced they quote bigger

1357
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 4: picture exam of Boeing issues. I don't know what little

1358
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: picture the Buddha Judge and his FAA were looking at

1359
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: when it came to Boeing, because basically, Boeing is it

1360
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 4: like Boeing is the is the kind of US airline manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: We have a duopoly in airlines, right, we have Airbus

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: and we have Boeing. And it's a tragedy, it's offense.

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Speaker 4: It was an Airbus plane that stranded justin Trudeau, you remember, hilarious, Yeah,

1364
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 4: that's what I bet that was Shenanigan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the part of somebody. Here's the thing, here's why

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01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: it matters. The most Airbus is European company. So that

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: means that let's say, push comps to shove, and we've

1368
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 2: got to look out for ourselves. We've only got Boeing,

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01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: that's it. They cranked out one hundred thousand planes in

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Speaker 2: World War Two. Nowadays we really trust US pilots on

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Speaker 2: top of a Boeing aircraft. I don't know. And they've

1372
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: got a century now you know of of work that

1373
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: they have done to invest in this brand. It was

1374
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: one of the most important iconic brands in the world.

1375
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: I would say, think too of the eighties and the

1376
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: story you know, actually even before that, of the pride

1377
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: that the people in Seattle and in Washington had of

1378
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: working for this company, of knowing that millions of people

1379
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: set foot on their aircraft, that you know, they had

1380
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: one of the low the best safety rates.

1381
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Speaker 3: In the entire world.

1382
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 2: And then you know, all throughout the nineties and the

1383
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: two thousands, they start spinning off companies, they start reorganizing,

1384
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: they're moving their headquarters. It becomes basically a financial bank

1385
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to an actual airline or sorry, an aircraft

1386
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: manufacturing company. And now you really are reaping the rewards

1387
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: of that. And the craziest part is we all thought

1388
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: it had stopped after those two planes five.

1389
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Speaker 4: It was a wake up call for that.

1390
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Speaker 3: It should have been the wake up I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: hundreds of people were dead.

1392
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Speaker 4: It's a problem with it's directly your fault, yes, and

1393
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 4: it's it's a culture. You saw it change, you know,

1394
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 4: coming out of the kind of New Deal era. You've

1395
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 4: got this like consensus between the state and these giant

1396
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 4: corporations that there is there's a welfare general welfare kind

1397
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 4: of attitude or around the business approach in eighties and nineties,

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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 4: it becomes just pure financialization, like how do we extract

1399
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: as much capital out of this company and give it

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: to investors. And so that's why you see them spending

1401
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 4: so much on you know, stock buybacks and otherwise just

1402
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 4: hiring a bunch of people who are like McKinsey types

1403
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 4: to look at their system and figure out ways that

1404
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: they can make it more profitable. The board that they

1405
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 4: going lobbied against a rule that would have required that

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01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 4: most of their board know what they're talking about when

1407
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 4: it comes to like flying an airplane, because instead they say,

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01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 4: you mean, having Nikki Haley on your board is not

1409
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 4: actually turns out to the company. It turns out that

1410
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: it is a benefit to the company in terms of

1411
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 4: profitability and making sure that you can keep the money

1412
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 4: flowing into the company and then back out to investors.

1413
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, it turns out Nicki Haley doesn't know a

1414
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 4: whole lot about actually flying or building an airplane. And

1415
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: they fought against a rule that would have required the

1416
01:05:58,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: board to know what they were doing.

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: And this is why it's tragic, is look at the

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: Alaska Airlines guy. You know, at a certain point it's like,

1419
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: and by the way, a Last Airlines. I love a

1420
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: Last Airlines, so great, great airline if you get the

1421
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 2: chance to fly it. The thing is is that they're

1422
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: pissed because they're like, who else we're supposed buy airplanes from? Yeah,

1423
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: well we had a deal. We paid you billions of

1424
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: dollars for these aircraft that we're fly. Yeah, that's it.

1425
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: It was like, we're supposed to just work. And now

1426
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: you know, like you said, his brand is tarnished.

1427
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: It's not just him. United also they were a huge

1428
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: purchaser of a seven thirty seven Max nines. Let's put

1429
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: this up there. The CEO of United and now Alaska

1430
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: Airlines are coming out and they are really pissed with

1431
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: Boeing and the manufacturer. I mean what they're saying, and

1432
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: you have some of the quotes here are just withering.

1433
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: They say, well, we're at least going to build a

1434
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: plan that doesn't have to have the Max ten in it.

1435
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: This is United Airlines, it's one of the largest airlines

1436
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: in the world. We will hope Boeing gets its certification

1437
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: at some point. We're just going to build an alternative

1438
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: plan that doesn't have that that's devastating. And already Delta

1439
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: actually just bought a ton of air buses. I believe

1440
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: that they already had existing in their talk. But the

1441
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: same problem remains is that if you have US airlines

1442
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: and even buying from a US company, that increases all

1443
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: the problems with globalization with where it's assembled. I mean,

1444
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: I saw a meme posted online, so like, guys, you know,

1445
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: Airbus is a company where they barely work like thirty

1446
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: five hours a week, and they get You're these Euros

1447
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: who barely even show.

1448
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 4: Down in August.

1449
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 3: They almost August Airbus shut down. They barely go to work,

1450
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 3: and they build better planes than us.

1451
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 4: What the hell is going to the south of France

1452
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 4: sipping sipping, Uh yeah, Rose exactly.

1453
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're going to promots and hanging out in Burgundy

1454
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: and all this. And it's like, and the joke's on

1455
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: us because our guys are boeing, are getting paid like

1456
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: not a lot much money.

1457
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: They barely have they've been living, functioning.

1458
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: They they have non functioning pensions, and there's CEOs and

1459
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: executives are flying around like gajillionaires. There's also been a

1460
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: really troubling report from view of the wing. These are

1461
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: some airlines specific aviation news outlets which have been fantastic,

1462
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: And this one just came out a couple of days ago.

1463
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: It says Boeing whistleblower production line quote has an enormous

1464
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: volume of volume of defects on the Max nine and

1465
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: we're not installed. This came one of their whistleblower says,

1466
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: I will save you waiting two years for NTSB to

1467
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: just come out and give it to you for free.

1468
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: The reason that door blue off is stated in black

1469
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: and white in its records. It is very stupid and

1470
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: it speaks volumes of the quality culture at certain portions

1471
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: of this business.

1472
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: Why did the left hand bolt fall out?

1473
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: Simple, as has been covered in numbers of articles, there

1474
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 2: are four bolts that prevent the mid exit door plug

1475
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: from sliding up off the roof dress stop fittings that

1476
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: take the actual pressurization loads in the aircraft. These four

1477
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: bolts were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane. That's it.

1478
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: Our own records reflect this.

1479
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: How crazy is that the four bolts that are supposed

1480
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: to be there to make sure that the door does

1481
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: not fall off in the middle of the sky did

1482
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: not work. It's just nuts. I mean, we're sorry, we're

1483
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: not installed on the aircraft whenever it was delivered to Alaska,

1484
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 2: which explains why their CEO is so angry there in

1485
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: that interview.

1486
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: So, you know, just another examp sample of the degradation

1487
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: of that company.

1488
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: Some we talked. I did a monologue on about the financialization.

1489
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: It really is a tragedy and it gets to exactly

1490
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: what you said about the government and more. Okay, let's

1491
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: move on now to like I said, the fun segments,

1492
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: to the two fun ones that we had to get

1493
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: into the show. Senator Chuck Schumer, who has long been

1494
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: kind of a hall monitor whenever it comes to substances

1495
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: that people may be enjoying. Say, you know, for Loco,

1496
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: which was certainly quite a bit of.

1497
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 4: Fun, that was barely new for it.

1498
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: I barely know. It was actually banned my freshman year

1499
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: in college, which we will never forget. I can tell

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01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: you those of us who were in a fraternity at

1501
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 2: that time. Chuck Schumer now returning to another fraternity, I

1502
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: guess substance of choice, which is zen calling for a

1503
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: crackdown and a pouch full of problems.

1504
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 14: Here's what he had to say, pouch packed with problems,

1505
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 14: high levels of nicotine. So today I'm delivering a warning

1506
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 14: to parents because these nicotine pouches seem to lock their

1507
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 14: sites on young kids, teenagers and even lower and then

1508
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 14: use the social media to hook them.

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01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: Uses the social media to hook them. I'm not so

1510
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: sure about that. One zin for those who don't know,

1511
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: is like the oral nicotine pouch. It was developed, you know,

1512
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: after many of the cancer problems came to light around chewing, tobacco, smoking, etc.

1513
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: And there's actually been a real resurgence, i would say,

1514
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: in nicotine usage these days because they've been able to

1515
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: disaggregate it from you know, tobacco and the carcinogens which

1516
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: are in that. It just led to a lot of

1517
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: really interesting discussions if people are interested. Andrew Huberman did

1518
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: an entire episode on nicotine. There's been a lot of

1519
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: discussion about the no tropic effects of nicotine. Again, if

1520
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: you are able to look at it in a synthetic form,

1521
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: which is you know, actual house quality control and all

1522
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: that stuff behind it, as opposed to inside of a cigarette,

1523
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: which is addicting you to smoking, I think there's a

1524
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: legitimate conversation I think to be had around all of that.

1525
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: But culturally this one is very interesting because clearly they've

1526
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: touched a nerve. This very much gets to some of

1527
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: the barsool conservative ideas and things that I've put out

1528
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: before here on the show. For example, one congressman actually

1529
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: tweeting out quote Zin, come and take it in the

1530
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: same way that we have the don't tread on me

1531
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: flag and other things.

1532
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 3: What do you make of this, Ryan, Because.

1533
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: What fascinates me is Chuck also wants to legalize pot.

1534
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 2: So how can you be for legal weed and want

1535
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: to crack down on zin nicotine pouches, which already I

1536
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: believe in the city of New York you have to

1537
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: be twenty one years old or older to buy.

1538
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: I know, at the very least wherever.

1539
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 2: The places I buy is from, you have to be

1540
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: twenty one years old or older in order to be

1541
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: a consumer. And these people are pretty religious about checking it.

1542
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: So I mean, this idea that they're being targeted towards

1543
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: children and all that seems ridiculous to me. You could

1544
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 2: make that case for Chinese vapes for what are those

1545
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: called the health bars stuff like that. Yeah, maybe, but

1546
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: even then I wouldn't necessarily say that you should ban it,

1547
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 2: although it's probably way less healthy to vape than it

1548
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 2: is to use zin, which is the most ironic part.

1549
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 4: Of all this. If Chuck does ever succeed in legalizing weed, yes,

1550
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure on day.

1551
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 3: Two he will be coming after weed company for marketing

1552
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: to kids.

1553
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 4: So in that sense, I doubt that in that sense

1554
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: it will be consistent, which and you know, I actually

1555
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: think that that's a good place for a society to

1556
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: end up.

1557
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 3: That interesting that adults should.

1558
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,839
Speaker 4: Have you know, reasonable access to you know, high quality

1559
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 4: and regulated products that are aren't going to poison you,

1560
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 4: and that kids should not be marketed to that, and

1561
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 4: that you know, developing brains should be you know protected

1562
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 4: from zin and whatever whatever else. It's like, it's not

1563
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 4: as your brain is developing, it's not good for you.

1564
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting to me. Listen, you are absolutely right

1565
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: about weed. Let's let's be very very clear about that.

1566
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: But what's fascinating to me actually is that this actually

1567
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: has caused a little bit of an organic pushback inside

1568
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: of Congress. So, for example, you had many Republican congressmen

1569
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: and senators go on the record. Senator Tommy Tubberville says, quote,

1570
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: it's going to make a lot of people mad.

1571
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 3: He wants to do that and then also cut out

1572
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 3: menthol cigarettes.

1573
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: We don't need to do that. The menthol one I

1574
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: have always found fascinating, and maybe you and I can

1575
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: talk about it, because why would you target specifically menthol cigarettes? Now,

1576
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 2: their justification, as I understand it, is that menthol cigarettes

1577
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: are predominantly smoked by people in the black community, and

1578
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: thus you should ban menthol cigarettes basically for the own

1579
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: good of the people who smoke them. Now, that's to

1580
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: me seems outrageous because it's like you're protecting white cigarettes,

1581
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: but you're not. You're gonna regulate black cigarettes. Like, first

1582
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: of all, that's insane, and it's not just black people

1583
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: smoke menthols. I think a lot of people smoke menthols,

1584
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: even amongst the twenty percent of Americans are today who

1585
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: do still smoke. But like, how can you move to

1586
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: ban one type of cigarette which is preferred by some

1587
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: and then leave others as completely legal.

1588
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 3: That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

1589
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 4: The only discrimination to me is that is that you

1590
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 4: can countenance is around age and so maybe you've got

1591
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 4: some life call monitors who would say, well, the you know,

1592
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 4: kids like menthols more. But you're right, it's it's it's

1593
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 4: it's racial.

1594
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: No, But the public health justification I've seen explicitly says

1595
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: this is trying to protect Black Americans. Like they're they're

1596
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 2: being honest about it. The people who want to ban

1597
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: the menthols. So I'm like, what, what, Like, how can

1598
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: you first of all, you're making a decision. Are menthols

1599
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 2: somebody else? Are Menthols more carcinogenic than Actually, I honestly

1600
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: don't know. The most I've ever read into it really

1601
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: was the racial angle. But I mean, I would just

1602
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: say this with cigarettes, with nicotine, with any of these things,

1603
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 2: it's like people who drink alcohol. Nobody is drinking alcohol

1604
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 2: and be like, this is really good for me, you

1605
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: know what, I'm really improving my health right now.

1606
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 4: Nobody there was an attempt of people to full them.

1607
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: For the red wine thing.

1608
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is BS okay, And nobody even believed that exactly.

1609
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 2: It was people it was something that they could joke

1610
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: about while they were relaxing and have a good time.

1611
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 2: Everyone understands that's a trade off. Same thing whenever it

1612
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 2: comes to cigarettes, I know a lot of people smoke cigarettes.

1613
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 2: Nobody smokes because they're like, this is really good for me. Okay,

1614
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: They're like, I enjoy it. It's a trade off. I

1615
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: know that it makes some.

1616
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 4: People because they think it helps them keep weight off. Okay,

1617
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: but once again, like you know they're doing that, but

1618
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 4: they know it's hurting them.

1619
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: They know that they have what is it a twenty

1620
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: six hundred percent or whatever increase? Even nicotine full mea culpa.

1621
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: I use nicotine. I mostly to nicotine gum, not a lot,

1622
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: but I and you know what, I know that it

1623
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: is what is it a vasoconstrictor. I know that it

1624
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: will have downstream health effects. I'm willing to make that

1625
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 2: trade off because of the no tropic benefits. I think

1626
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: that it's a very very powerful not tropic I think

1627
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: it's one where there's actually.

1628
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 3: A lot of discussion that remains to be had.

1629
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 2: Where As a society, the vast majority of Americans either

1630
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: used to smoke or lived in a smoking household forties

1631
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 2: and sixties and all that.

1632
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: You know, you can think of the mad Men and all.

1633
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: That, and then because of public health, we just all

1634
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: stopped using anteine for a while. I mean, listen, was

1635
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: it a that benefit or not? Like maybe we definitely,

1636
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, we live longer, but yeah, what about our

1637
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: mental clarity? You ever see those guys in Apollo? What

1638
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: does everyone doing in Apollo thirteen?

1639
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1640
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 3: Figured, I think we got to the moon?

1641
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1642
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you think they figured out how to

1643
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: put a round filter into a square hole or whatever.

1644
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: You think they did that all by themselves. Okay, they

1645
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 2: need a cigarette now. Look, I'm not promoting smoking, and

1646
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: it definitely is very bad for you. Same in terms nicotine.

1647
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: It is a highly, highly addictive substance of which I

1648
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: have seen people.

1649
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 3: Go way down the rabbit hole.

1650
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: Many of these frat kids are not using it for

1651
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: no trupic benefits. They're just buzzed out of their minds

1652
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: all the time.

1653
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 3: That's said.

1654
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: You know, okay, you know, if we live in a

1655
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: free country now, many people would say soccer, how is

1656
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: this so hypocritical whenever it comes to your stance on weed,

1657
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: and people say that, but people misunderstand that I am

1658
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: not for I do not believe in the criminalization of marijuana.

1659
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: I do, however, however, think that there is a very

1660
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 2: unhealthy trend amongst people who use marijuana who are like, yeah,

1661
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: but this one kid with siegers took it and it

1662
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 2: cured them. And it's like, yeah, but you don't have epilepsy, dude,

1663
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: Like you don't have child to have epilepsy. Like you're

1664
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: just a stoner, Like you're just sitting on your ass

1665
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: doing nothing. And I think that there is not the same,

1666
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 2: and you correct me if I'm wrong. More immersed in

1667
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: that world perhaps than I am. There is less of

1668
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: an acknowledgment for people who are daily pot users in

1669
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: that doing that they understand fully. They're like this is bad,

1670
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: Like this is not good for me, right, And we

1671
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: have seen an explosion of high THHC products that are

1672
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: on the market, totally unregulated, most of it coming from China,

1673
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: some of it you know, really really unhealthy, and really,

1674
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, this is.

1675
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 3: The other part nobody wants to talk about.

1676
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: Same with alcohol, you know, as alcohol can be very

1677
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: conducive to horrible behavior like drunk driving and to substance

1678
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: spousal abuse and all these other things. Ask any cop

1679
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: how many alcohol related instances are in marijuana? You know,

1680
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: it's driving while impaired is not necessarily good. We don't

1681
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 2: have the same cultural stigma against it. And you know,

1682
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: I recently tweeted out a chart kind of wish we'd

1683
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: pulled it for this segment which is about the drug

1684
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: induced psychosis. Cannabis is actually the number one substance that

1685
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: they have seen in which there is drug induced psychosis,

1686
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: even more so than alcohol, cocaine, methampheta and other There's

1687
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: been long, you know, Tell your children in the book

1688
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: written by Alex Barentson, a link and even Joe Rogan,

1689
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: a you know, marijuana fiend, would acknowledge this, is that

1690
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: there is a link between very very high THC, which

1691
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: is very much on the market right now, and people

1692
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: who are predisposed to schizophrenia having a full blown psychotic break.

1693
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 3: And people who would advocate for pot need to understand that.

1694
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's fair. And

1695
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 4: for a community in the society to get there, you've

1696
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 4: got to have it legally, you got to have it regulated,

1697
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 4: you have you have to have access to product that

1698
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 4: you you know, can trust and can can analyze and

1699
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 4: can understand. H And I think that a free people

1700
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 4: can work can work that out. But I think you're

1701
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 4: right that culturally people need to acknowledge the downsides as

1702
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 4: well in a way that they don't quite with alcohol. Well,

1703
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 4: in alcohol is worse. What do you mean by that? So,

1704
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 4: like you said, everybody that drinks knows is bad, yeah,

1705
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 4: but also fun yeah or whatever. For some people that's

1706
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 4: not even fun anymore. They're just kind of can't just

1707
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 4: can't quit, right, that's right.

1708
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people who have like

1709
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: full blown alcoholism, which we don't talk about it, not

1710
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: from this country, right, Yeah, But.

1711
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 4: I think there's less willingness to recognize the downsides if

1712
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 4: we'd compared to compared to alcohol. I think one reason

1713
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 4: for that is that the downsides of alcohol are so

1714
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 4: much more obvious and clear and dramatic than the downsides

1715
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 4: of weed. That doesn't mean that there aren't downsides of yes,

1716
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 4: marijuana and cannabis, So you've got to I think that

1717
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 4: is something they should.

1718
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: I just wish I could hear that more from people

1719
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: who are obsessed with pot, because you know, all the

1720
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: data right now tells us that the increase, for example,

1721
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: in pot usage, everyone's like, see there's a lot more popular.

1722
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 2: A lot of it is daily smokers, Like we have

1723
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 2: a whole new generation of high potents and the LBHC exactly,

1724
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: edibles you got, marijuana and drinks now, lollypops like all this.

1725
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 3: I can't even keep up with what the hell is

1726
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 3: going on here.

1727
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: And within all of that, there is not again the

1728
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: same culture at least from my you know, from my

1729
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: view of what I've been able to find, same thing

1730
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: In terms of smoking. It's like, hey, you know, inhaling,

1731
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: smoking your lungs is still bad for you, Like it

1732
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: doesn't not just because it's not cigarettes doesn't mean that

1733
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: it's like good. Whenever you're smoking marijuana constantly all the time,

1734
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: there are a lot of you know, health effects. Again,

1735
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: I would recommend Huberman did an entire podcast on marijuana,

1736
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: THHC and all of that.

1737
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 3: There's a lot of linksage.

1738
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 4: Because nicotine went out too, you should It's it's.

1739
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 2: Very interesting, and I want to be very clear here.

1740
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 2: It is a highly addictive substance for which some people

1741
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: who use it will find it incredibly difficult to quit.

1742
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1743
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of differences in between people's genetics and

1744
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: their tolerability. Just as I'm a coffee fiend, I love caffeine,

1745
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: I always have, you know, I can drink five six

1746
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: cups of coffee.

1747
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 3: I know people who have one and they can't even function.

1748
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: So I mean, every every person is different, and you

1749
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: know you should never there's no such thing as a

1750
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: free lunch. Like whenever you're you know, riding high on nicotine,

1751
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 2: you're going to be coming down. Trust me, Like you know,

1752
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: there's there's gonna be dow. The question is is like

1753
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: is that useful to you? You know, are you making

1754
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: an informed choice? Like?

1755
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: How does all that work?

1756
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: I think we should have the same culture around that

1757
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: with marijuana, of which I do not currently see right now.

1758
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just year and everywhere. Also, the smell is terrible.

1759
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, all right, you can't walk down the

1760
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: city street without smelling this shit.

1761
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 4: They call it skunk for a reason. I kind of

1762
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: like the smell.

1763
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: But I miss I wish Crystal is here. I wish

1764
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: I wish she was here to talk about this. Does

1765
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: move on to the John storet block, the final the

1766
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: fun segment here. I'm really curious to see what you

1767
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: think because you worked professionally in media whenever he was

1768
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: a really big deal. So the news is in. Let's

1769
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: put this up there Daily Show here, it is your

1770
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: moment of Zen. John Stewart will be returning to the

1771
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 2: Daily Show, hosting it on Mondays and will be the

1772
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 2: executive producer. This is after Trevor Noah has exited the show.

1773
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: This is after, let's be honest, since he left, it's

1774
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: just been a disaster. It hasn't even come close to

1775
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: the cultural touchstone that it was under John Stewart. Trevor

1776
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: noh never was able to capture any of the energy.

1777
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 2: I think it was because Stuart at his best, at

1778
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: his best, and this is where I'm really curious, was

1779
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: able to skewer CNN, MSNBC and Fox. He was deaf,

1780
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: definitely a thorn in the side of Fox and Roger

1781
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 2: Ailes and all of them hated him. But seeing Inn

1782
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: and Am as soon as he hated him too, mainstream

1783
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: media because he made fun of them ruthlessly. He was

1784
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: He's liberal, obviously, you know, Krystal I interviewed him. You

1785
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: can go watch that a couple of years ago if

1786
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: you want to.

1787
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 3: But in the Trump era, he never was able to

1788
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 3: recapture some of that.

1789
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 2: So when Crystal and I interviewed him, for example, he

1790
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: would criticize the liberal media, but in a almost like

1791
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 2: a left perspective. He'd be like, well, you guys are

1792
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: obsessed with Trump too, and it's like, well, that's not

1793
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: really like what the criticism is, I guess per se.

1794
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: So do you think he will be able to bring

1795
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: the same magic that he had from the twenty tens

1796
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: to the current era, especially because we have lived through

1797
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 2: his Apple Show, and let's be honest, the Apple Show

1798
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: was not as good as a Daily Show. It just wasn't.

1799
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 4: But he even on his Apple Show he had moments

1800
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 4: where he's his interviewing technique, his style unparalleled. I agree,

1801
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 4: And he makes it look so easy too, which is

1802
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 4: an extra humiliation for the media, right because like, you

1803
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 4: see him do it, and the viewers like, well, this

1804
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 4: is just a comedian with using very very basic common

1805
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 4: sense language to just eviscerate this Larry summer Zoo or

1806
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 4: whoever it is, and you're like, well, I wish it.

1807
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 4: If it was that easy, he wouldn't be he wouldn't

1808
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 4: be who he is. One of the coolest things I

1809
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 4: ever did on a Valentine's that we went to in

1810
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 4: two thousands taping of the Daily Show. Oh interesting, Chris

1811
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 4: Rock was the guest.

1812
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 3: Wow, what year in two thousands, two thousand, Holy three,

1813
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: nine eleven.

1814
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 4: That's wild, it was.

1815
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 3: And I went to his rally when I was a

1816
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: freshman in college.

1817
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 2: I remember that rally. Hey, that was actually pretty fun.

1818
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 2: I enjoyed myself. Yeah, but the.

1819
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 4: Guys it will be. And he was like the conscience

1820
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 4: of the left in a way because he was against

1821
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 4: the Iraq War, and like it was back then, there

1822
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,679
Speaker 4: was no social media to go to kind of connect

1823
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 4: with like minded people, so all you had was the

1824
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 4: mainstream media gaslighting you by telling you that there's weapons

1825
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 4: of mass destruction and we have to go to war,

1826
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 4: and we have to cut soul security and all of

1827
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 4: these other things. And the only kind of safe space,

1828
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 4: so to speak, was the Daily It was eleven o'clock,

1829
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 4: the Daily Show.

1830
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: You just watched it like I would watch it online

1831
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: back in you know those old viewers pre YouTube.

1832
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 3: I also, I was still in the clock. I don't

1833
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 3: even remember. I honestly, I never watched it live. I

1834
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 3: was I was living abroad.

1835
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: I was in high school at the time, and I

1836
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, you'd have to fire up a VPN and

1837
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 2: then try and go watch it on the Comedy Central

1838
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: website and filter through all the crap ads of whatever

1839
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 2: looked like you O seven. But you're right, you know,

1840
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: because of opposition of the Iraq War and kind of

1841
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: that dissonance, he him and Vice were really at the center.

1842
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: But there's a cautionary tail there. Look advice today.

1843
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: And then also with Stuart, like you said, some of

1844
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 2: his interviews that he did, like with the veteran secretary

1845
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: or with at that woman at the Defense Department, I

1846
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: forget her name, the number two, Kathleen Hicks. I think

1847
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 2: where he humiliated her on like why can't you pass

1848
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: an audit? She was just so arrogant and annoying. He

1849
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: had a few and I mean he's done incredible work

1850
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven firefighters, first responders, on the burn pits.

1851
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 2: He probably a single handedly is responsible for that. Let's

1852
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,959
Speaker 2: put that aside. Though in terms of his monologues and commentary,

1853
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: it hasn't gone viral in the same way. So that's

1854
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: where I'm really curious to see.

1855
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the problem that he's going to have is Okay,

1856
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 4: let's say he makes fun of Trump's I mean, let's

1857
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 4: say he makes fun of Biden for being super old,

1858
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 4: like he's easy stuff, right, and you know, everybody laugh.

1859
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 4: But on so many Democrats, we're like, that's but that's

1860
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 4: a but her emails.

1861
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 3: They can't handle that. Yeah, exactly, you're so that is

1862
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: so right.

1863
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 2: In the old days, he could make fun of Obama

1864
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 2: and there was not a predisposition of the liberal viewer

1865
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: to be like, that's racist, right, you know, but it

1866
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 2: was funny.

1867
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: It was just funny.

1868
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 4: The liberals consider the stakes so much higher today than

1869
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 4: when you know, Obama running against McCain or sighting. They

1870
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 4: see Trump as this kind of existential threat to everything

1871
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 4: that they hold dear, and therefore any criticism even that

1872
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 4: would even criticism and they're like, yes, that's true, I

1873
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 4: agree with you, but you should not say it right

1874
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 4: now because the threat outside the gate is so much greater.

1875
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 4: Where does that leave? And that's I think one reason

1876
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 4: he kind of left originally, He's like, where where does

1877
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 4: that leave a comedian who wants to skewer all sides.

1878
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: Part of the reason I'm sad that he's coming back

1879
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: is that linear TV is just not the same. I mean,

1880
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: he left in twenty fifteen, it was already on his

1881
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: way out, and now let's put this up there just

1882
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 2: to give people. An example, plus Can't Resist Donkey on CNN.

1883
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: CNN's ratings are now behind the History Channel and quote

1884
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 2: an obscure Western network in primetime ratings. They are struggling

1885
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: to get even half a million people total, not you know,

1886
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 2: in the Key demo to watch.

1887
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: That's insane. I mean it's like, I mean, at certain.

1888
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: Points, it's like a third of what we do here

1889
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: on like a daily basis, right, And that just demonstrates

1890
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: to you, like how much cultural cachet that they will have,

1891
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, amongst the elites and all that, and how

1892
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: few people actually watch the network. It's all the right people.

1893
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: But in their defense that people will watch their stuff,

1894
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: yeah exactly. Well, no, you're exactly right, and that's not

1895
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 2: good for them, not always good for them, exactly. And

1896
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 2: the other thing is with Stuart is you know, at

1897
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: the end of the day, how they make their money

1898
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: there over at Comedy Central is people watching live right. Yeah,

1899
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: if you want to play the YouTube game, which kind

1900
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 2: of what he was doing a little bit previously, that's fine,

1901
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: but there's a lot less money in that. It's it's

1902
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: a very different you know, environment and all of that.

1903
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 2: So I'm really curious to see what he does with this.

1904
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: The return of the Monday Night will be interesting. But

1905
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 2: even more interesting is what talent is he going to tap?

1906
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 2: You know, who is he going to have actually host

1907
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: or is he going to bring back a rotating cast

1908
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: of characters? And you know, that's what he was really

1909
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 2: really famous for doing, and he built such a talent.

1910
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: His talent basically every one of his correspondents became like

1911
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 4: a megastar.

1912
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Oliver, I'm trying to think about the Beast Samantha. Yeah, well,

1913
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: some cautionary in tails there too, isn't there? Ryan?

1914
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, we are I wish him nothing about the best.

1915
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I love John Stewart.

1916
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: So he was a major inspiration to a lot of

1917
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: the work that Chris and I even initially, I remember

1918
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 2: we've started rising like and it started taking off. I

1919
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: was like, who are some people we can like look

1920
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 2: and model ourselves? Afterwards, Stewart's name was at the top

1921
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 2: of the list.

1922
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 3: And by the way, I've been trying to get him

1923
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 3: back here for a long time.

1924
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 2: So John, if you're listening, you were welcome back here

1925
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 2: anytime and we could talk and I'll ask you a

1926
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: many of these questions to your face. But otherwise we

1927
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: have a great guest standing by Emily Cop to talk

1928
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: about that Lablik reporting. Let's get to it. Joining us

1929
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: now is Emily Cop. She's a reporter at US right

1930
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: to know, she's done some of the best work that

1931
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 2: there is on the Lableek hypothesis on that investigation. She's

1932
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: joining us now for our latest report. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us, Emily. Great to be here. Absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: We've covered your work here for a long time, and

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Speaker 2: we have one of your latest that we can put

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Let's see it. US scientists

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Speaker 2: proposed to make viruses with unique features of stars Kobe

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Speaker 2: two in Wuhan.

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Speaker 3: All right, so it's a headline of.

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Speaker 2: Which is you know, we've got a little bit of

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Speaker 2: some jargon in there, unique features stars Kobe two. I

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Speaker 2: think that's COVID Wuhan. I think I'm a little bit familiar.

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Speaker 2: Some of our viewers probably know. But just break this

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Speaker 2: down for or the average person. They have a little

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Speaker 2: bit of familiarity with COVID, with the lab leak and more.

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Speaker 2: What did you find in this report?

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Speaker 1: Sure, so it's a little bit of an understated headline.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you that, but takeaway is origins of COVID

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Speaker 1: solved question mark. Basically, what we found is that some

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Speaker 1: of the most unusual features of the sarscovy two genome,

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Speaker 1: the things that made sarskov two sars kov two the

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Speaker 1: most pathogenic virus of the last one hundred years, were

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're very rare in nature, but they were

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Speaker 1: central to the esoteric research interests of the top coronavirus

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Speaker 1: virologists in the world, Ralph Barrick and the top coronavirus

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Speaker 1: collectors in the world, Peter Dazak and the.

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Speaker 3: Wajuantitute of Virology.

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Speaker 1: We also found that while these scientists told the US

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Speaker 1: government that they were going to be doing this high

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Speaker 1: risk virology at UNC under relatively strict biosafety protocol, they

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Speaker 1: were at actually going to secretly be outsourcing much of

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Speaker 1: this research to the Wuhanasitute of Virology under an inadequate

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Speaker 1: biosafety level, essentially in order to save on costs and

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Speaker 1: to be able to do the work more quickly. So

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously that is very concerning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about the Alex Washburn at All pre

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Speaker 4: print that kind of led that led to this reporting

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Speaker 4: that you did, And so we can go back to

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Speaker 4: Bob Gary too, who was a Tulane University virologist who

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Speaker 4: people might recall was involved in this that first kind

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Speaker 4: of famous now infamous conference call with Anthony Fauci February

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Speaker 4: second or fourth or whatever between the first and the fourth,

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Speaker 4: where the virologists all at the beginning are leaning towards

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Speaker 4: a lab leak, and by the end of it are

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Speaker 4: pronouncing and organizing public statements and articles saying that there

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Speaker 4: couldn't have been a lab leak, and everybody is crazy

1978
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Speaker 4: who thinks it is. So Bob Gary at the time

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Speaker 4: observed the makeup of COVID nineteen and identified some unusual

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Speaker 4: features of it, which takes us to the washburn paper.

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Speaker 4: So what did Bob Gary find and how important was

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Speaker 4: that to your reporting?

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Speaker 1: Sure, So I'll start out with what is I think

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Speaker 1: indisputable at this point from our reporting, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: get into the more controversial stuff. So the stuff that's

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Speaker 1: indisputable is that the scientists working with the Wuhan Institute

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Speaker 1: of Virology were interested in making engineered viruses in the

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Speaker 1: lab and testing whether they could infect human receptors. And

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Speaker 1: they're so called gold standard would be to identify viruses

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Speaker 1: that could cause disease. They were also knowledgeable about two

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Speaker 1: things that could essentially supercharge a coronavirus into that gold

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Speaker 1: standard of something that could cause disease in human humanized mice.

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Speaker 1: And those two features were I fear in cleavage site

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Speaker 1: at the S one S two junction of the spike protein,

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Speaker 1: and a receptor binding domain that was very good at

1996
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Speaker 1: latching on to a receptor called ACE two. And when

1997
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Speaker 1: sars kov two first came out, those virologists who initially

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Speaker 1: said privately, oh, no, this looks engineered, and then came

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Speaker 1: out with a paper that said, if you think that

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Speaker 1: this is engineered, you're crazy. They were privately very concerned

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Speaker 1: about these two features if you're in cleavage site at

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Speaker 1: the S one S two and the fact that it

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Speaker 1: was sort of immediately very good at infecting human cells.

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Speaker 1: And so the documents that we obtained show they lay

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Speaker 1: out their plan to create a model where they could

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Speaker 1: create engineered viruses with these features that we later see

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Speaker 1: in SARS Kobe two, but that are exceedingly rare in nature,

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Speaker 1: so that all is.

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Speaker 3: Indisputable at this point.

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Speaker 1: I think there have been people, you know, people like

2011
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Speaker 1: Robert Gary who have really nitpicked and said, well, it's

2012
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Speaker 1: not a fear and cleavage saite at the S one

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Speaker 1: S two, it's a fear and cleavage side at the

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Speaker 1: S one or S two. But you know, the new

2015
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Speaker 1: documents we obtained make it very explicit that they were

2016
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Speaker 1: interested in precisely viruses like source Kobe two. The Alex

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Speaker 1: Washburn paper that you mentioned around restriction sites, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit more controversial and requires a little

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Speaker 1: bit more scientific inquiry. But what they found in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two is that a pattern of restriction sites. And

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Speaker 1: restriction sites are essentially little bits of code that occur

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Speaker 1: in the genome that can be used in the lab

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Speaker 1: to enginr new viruses, but they also can occur naturally.

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Speaker 1: But what they found they did statistics around how likely

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Speaker 1: is it that we would see this precise pattern, and

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Speaker 1: they found it to be very unlikely. And so the

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Speaker 1: new documents that we have, i mean, confirm their intention

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Speaker 1: to create synthetic viruses with these restriction enzymes in six pieces,

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Speaker 1: which is what the Washburn paper found, And they also

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Speaker 1: include a budget line for one of these specific restricts, right.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk stop there and talk talking about that. So

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Speaker 4: the paper says, okay, there's these six different you know,

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Speaker 4: whatever they are, and they basically predicted, Okay, if you

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Speaker 4: were going to do this, what you would need would

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Speaker 4: be this one particular enzyme of thousands of enzymes commercially

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Speaker 4: that are available to do this research. And what you

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Speaker 4: found is that they in fact did purchase that enzyme

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Speaker 4: and did use this, you know, which suggests that they're

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Speaker 4: doing the exact thing that was predicted. So not only

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Speaker 4: do you have a regression analysis that shows the chance

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Speaker 4: of this being formed naturally is infinitesimally small, but then

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Speaker 4: they add a prediction on top of it that you

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Speaker 4: would need this particular enzyme, and the chance that they

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Speaker 4: actually then purchased that and it all being a coincidence

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Speaker 4: takes it from infinitesimally small to me two impossible to

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Speaker 4: be anything other than a smoking gun. So why is

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Speaker 4: it still considered somewhat controversial even among you know, some

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Speaker 4: people who have always who have recently been said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I believe I lean toward a.

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Speaker 3: Lab leak, but I want to see more scientific inquiry

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Speaker 3: on this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's sort of hard for us lay

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Speaker 1: people to evaluate because it does require knowledge of statistics

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Speaker 1: and of bioengineering. So the number of people who can

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Speaker 1: really evaluate these claims, I think is pretty small. But

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Speaker 1: some scientists who are a bit more skeptical, like Alena Chan,

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Speaker 1: they basically point to other viruses in nature that are

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Speaker 1: very similar to Sara Kobe to having similar restriction sites.

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Speaker 3: Then you get kind of.

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Speaker 1: Another layer of complexity, which is that there is a

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Speaker 1: debate about how many silent mutations you would see around

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Speaker 1: these sites in nature versus in the lab. And so

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that scientists need to douke out.

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Speaker 1: I think another I guess, just a cautionary word I've heard,

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Speaker 1: is that Ralph Barrick, this Corona virologist who was working

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Speaker 1: very closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He was

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Speaker 1: known for doing this sort of work without any of

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Speaker 1: these sort of markings, without leaving the restriction sites in

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Speaker 1: He patented no Sum technology, no Sum being the name

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Speaker 1: of a insect in North Carolina where he's based. So

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Speaker 1: it's almost unusual to find a pattern like this if

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Speaker 1: we expect it to be Barrack's idea that the.

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Speaker 2: Wuhan lab was working with Yeah, I mean, what's really

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Speaker 2: concerns Manly is I've never believed, obviously in natural origin.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you, then, chrisal often does this,

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Speaker 2: how would you steal man?

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Speaker 3: You know, your reporting?

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Speaker 2: What natural origin hypothesis at this point even bear scrutiny

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Speaker 2: for a seasoned healthcare reporter like yourself? What would the

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Speaker 2: you know? The critics critics say in response to this,

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Speaker 2: I know I feel the same way. That's why I'm

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Speaker 2: asking you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the possible coincidence of the pandemic

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Speaker 1: first being detected at the wet market that I think

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Speaker 1: that story still hasn't been told. How is it that

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Speaker 1: that was the first place where we started detecting cases.

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Speaker 1: I think the idea that early cases clustered around the

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Speaker 1: wet market is based on a really bad analysis. I

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Speaker 1: think the idea that spillover occurred at that market is

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Speaker 1: based on an analysis that was recently recently.

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Speaker 3: Suffered a major correct correction.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard, but I do, you know, I'll give

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Speaker 1: it to my opponents, I guess and say that I

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Speaker 1: think it is hard to explain, just given the information

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Speaker 1: that we have, the limited information, why it was the

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Speaker 1: wet market that you know where we first Can.

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Speaker 2: We just say that, well, yeah, that's where the Chinese

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Speaker 2: first report of the cases. I mean, they're the ones

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Speaker 2: who are responsible for you know, they control the information

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Speaker 2: that we get, not like not vice versa. It's not

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Speaker 2: necessarily organic.

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Speaker 1: Continuing to like occupy the mind space of the urologies

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Speaker 1: who think are a natural origin. I would say some

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Speaker 1: of the first people who detected the pandemic were doctors

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Speaker 1: in Wuhan, you know. I would also say I've done

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Speaker 1: reporting showing that the doctors in Wuhan were censored very

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Speaker 1: heavily and face a lot of retaliation for early reporting.

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Speaker 1: So whether that early reporting is actually reflective of the

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Speaker 1: earliest cases, I'm not competent in that great point.

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Speaker 4: And so I mean, given the documents you've obtained in

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Speaker 4: the work that you've done, right now, news outlets are

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Speaker 4: busy submitting their different articles for Pulitzers. You know, I

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Speaker 4: think I don't even know if US Rights Know is

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Speaker 4: eligible for a Pulitzer. I think you deserve one for

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Speaker 4: the work you've been doing on this. Thank you, But

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm curious what it's been like to see so

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Speaker 4: little mainstream media follow up on this reporting, because we're

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Speaker 4: talking about a pandemic that killed at least twenty five

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Speaker 4: million people. Correct me if I'm wrong here, up ended

2121
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Speaker 4: our geopolitics, up bend at our politics, our economy. The

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Speaker 4: number of people who are suffering from you know, having

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Speaker 4: lived through COVID, you know, on on and on is

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Speaker 4: just the damage is incalculable. And the evidence points to

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Speaker 4: a small group of people breaking rules because you know,

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Speaker 4: the Obama administration had put in place restrictions around this

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Speaker 4: type of research that they went around in order in

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Speaker 4: order to do this small group of people we're talking

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Speaker 4: fewer than a dozen, perhaps doing something not on purpose,

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Speaker 4: you know, but recklessly knowing that it was a possibility.

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Speaker 4: Anthony Fauci in twenty fourteen said, you know, the potential

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Speaker 4: risks outweigh the outwagh the benefits of this type of research.

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Speaker 4: I think that's absurd given the costs that we've endured.

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Speaker 4: So what's been like from your perspective to see so

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Speaker 4: little follow up at this point? The New York Times,

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Speaker 4: if you only read the New York Times, you believe

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Speaker 4: that it's open and shutcase, and it came out inatural order,

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Speaker 4: came out of that and you're racist, and it was

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Speaker 4: a bad and then it was a raccoon dog and yeah,

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Speaker 4: so what's been like to know the opposite and to

2141
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Speaker 4: watch this unfold? I mean, it's maddening.

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Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I'm losing it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I think some of the things that

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Speaker 1: are at player are the same things that are making

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Speaker 1: this show so popular. I think the mainstream media is

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Speaker 1: becoming culturally irrelevant, and to me, I think my theory

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Speaker 1: just kind of coming out of the health reporting space

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Speaker 1: and knowing kind of the culture, and some of the

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Speaker 1: editors who are running the health and science desks at

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Speaker 1: these major outlets, I think they're friends with Fauci, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, I think it's just personal relationships and they

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Speaker 1: really admire him, and I think they have a hard

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Speaker 1: time grasping the idea that someone who had good intentions

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Speaker 1: and who might not be a bad person might have

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Speaker 1: made a catastrophic error in judgment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, to me, the smoker, if you'll remember

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Speaker 2: Donald McNeil, who worked for The Times. He got fired.

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Speaker 2: It was a bunch of controversy and he came out

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Speaker 2: later and he's like, look, I didn't believe it because

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Speaker 2: I was friends with these guys. He literally said that

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 4: We have the emails of them, like directly lying.

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Speaker 2: He came out and is like, I've known Anthony Founci

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Speaker 2: and Peter Dazak for thirty years. I believe them, And

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Speaker 2: he's like, and they misled me. And he's open about it.

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Speaker 2: But he can only be open about it because he's

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Speaker 2: no longer within the system. So I guess, finally, you know,

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Speaker 2: we can bring this. You've effectively solve the case for us.

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Speaker 3: But what else is there?

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Speaker 2: Like, you're obviously going to continue on the story. What

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Speaker 2: other things are you going to potentially inquiring? Can our

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Speaker 2: audience help you? What can people point you in the

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Speaker 2: right direction?

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Speaker 1: Well, your audience can definitely, you know, follow us obviously.

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Speaker 1: I think we're punching up above our weight, but we're

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Speaker 1: not the New York Times, so that every little bit

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Speaker 1: helps every follower, every subscriber to our newsletter. I think

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Speaker 1: next steps this, you know, latest document set I think

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Speaker 1: lays out how SARSCOV two probably got its unique features,

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Speaker 1: but we still don't have the starting genomic sequence. And

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Speaker 1: even the guys, you know, the virologists who very strongly

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Speaker 1: favor a natural origin. Have said a smoking gun would

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Speaker 1: be identifying that virus in that lab in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 1: So I think if we can confirm that they were

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Speaker 1: doing this experimentation with fear and cleavage sites with receptor

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Speaker 1: binding domains that strong or that binds strongly to ACE two,

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Speaker 1: with something like sars Kobe two, that would be I

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Speaker 1: mean game over, like truly game over and disputably got it.

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Speaker 4: So I think also one thing the audience could not

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Speaker 4: do is jump in and be like I always knew

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Speaker 4: this from day one, such a you sliss point to

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Speaker 4: make stop it, because even if we definitely did, even

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Speaker 4: if yeah, it's dismissive of all of the great works

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Speaker 4: that so many journalists have done to confirm your hunch,

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Speaker 4: that your hunch, I'm sorry, yeah, YouTube, audience, your hunch

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Speaker 4: is not worth much.

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Speaker 2: That's right now, He's all right, He's right, And this

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Speaker 2: is why we need you to do the work that

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Speaker 2: you continue to do so people can follow you on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: What's the most helpful way people can help you.

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Speaker 1: I think subscribing to our newsletter US right to now

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Speaker 1: okay are most helpful.

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Speaker 2: We'll have the link down that in the description. Everybody

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Speaker 2: will also support Emily's work, follow her on Twitter, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: and we will see you guys later