Speaker 1: This is He Said a Yadiho with Eric Winter and
Speaker 1: Rosalind Fantaz.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of He
Speaker 2: Said Aado. We are continuing our conversation this week with
Speaker 2: Jonathan Mark. Last week we talked about his medium work
Speaker 2: in law enforcement, and today we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: him about doing my reading.
Speaker 3: Henna.
Speaker 2: He's gonna actually dive in and give me a reading,
Speaker 2: and let's see who shows up. Welcome back, Jonathan Mark. Okay, Jonathan,
Speaker 2: So you just blew my mind on all the stuff
Speaker 2: you've done working with law enforcement. Again, I could have
Speaker 2: talked about that for hours. Producers wanted you to, I
Speaker 2: guess talk with me a little bit about something on
Speaker 2: my end. I don't even know how we start with
Speaker 2: something like that. I don't know where to begin. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I've had this, you know, I've gone through
Speaker 2: this a couple of times with people. I'll just give
Speaker 2: you free rain go. You tell me a little more
Speaker 2: detail and I come on your podcast. But I guess
Speaker 2: tell me so, I'll I'll explain to.
Speaker 1: You very quickly how I do it, so you're not like,
Speaker 1: what the heck is this kid doing? But basically, I
Speaker 1: always look off to the side when I do stuff,
Speaker 1: and the reason is to blank.
Speaker 4: My mind out when I do it.
Speaker 1: But like a pretty big key factors like I don't
Speaker 1: like going off with people's reactions to anything. So there
Speaker 1: will be times I'll take a drink of like my Gatorade,
Speaker 1: and I'll obviously talk to you and stuff like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna just like drink and look away. But but
Speaker 1: but basically like I'll be, you know, pulling in friends, family,
Speaker 1: people that passed away, and so I'll be saying like
Speaker 1: their names, like you know things about them, and you know,
Speaker 1: if like if it gets too intimate, like let me know,
Speaker 1: because I've done this before with people and their shows
Speaker 1: and it's gotten way too intimate and they didn't even
Speaker 1: like want it to be on there and they didn't
Speaker 1: air it. So I just want, like, stop me if
Speaker 1: it gets that way in any way.
Speaker 5: And basically what I typically.
Speaker 1: Do with like readings and law enforcement stuff is I
Speaker 1: always flip I do a three sixty views just to
Speaker 1: show them Like when I stare off, I'm literally, like
Speaker 1: I've said to you before, like earlier on is staring
Speaker 1: at a wall.
Speaker 5: So I'll do that quickly.
Speaker 1: Don't judge me about the pillows that my mom's I'm
Speaker 1: at her house. So that's basically what I look at,
Speaker 1: you know, but I do that because people are always like,
Speaker 1: what the heck are you looking at? Trying to eliminate
Speaker 1: that for people and.
Speaker 2: No harm, no foul, if nothing happens exciting, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've done the one time I did
Speaker 2: this and I said this on on earlier in the introduction,
Speaker 2: I had nobody showed up, like the medium came is like,
Speaker 2: now many people want to talk to you. There's like
Speaker 2: I was shocked and recently finally came in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't tell me about who I won't.
Speaker 3: Want to say something.
Speaker 2: And then but they did predict some things down the
Speaker 2: road that ended up playing out cool, which is interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like I'll go on.
Speaker 1: If you you know, have a question or whatever, just
Speaker 1: tell me to shut up.
Speaker 5: I will shut up because no good from New York.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could talk forever, so like, just
Speaker 1: tell me to shut up, but I will start. I
Speaker 1: don't stay like that because I would be also really
Speaker 1: weird too. Uh so you spoke to me him and
Speaker 1: they said no one came through.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that was once.
Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely have like a you definitely have someone,
Speaker 1: you have someone with like a W name that keeps
Speaker 1: popping in pretty hard. I mean, so typically how energy
Speaker 1: lines up for me, I go by family tree and stuff.
Speaker 1: When someone's over someone's shoulder, typically it's a parental type
Speaker 1: of energy. So I'm assuming, yeah, you have a W name.
Speaker 1: I don't know William Wayne Walter. You have a W name.
Speaker 3: Am I supposed to give you anything back?
Speaker 1: No, I'll go and then you can find I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be authentic for you, So I don't want
Speaker 1: you to tell me too much.
Speaker 5: Oh I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean this, this looks like your father, if I'm
Speaker 1: being honest with you, the way that he's kind of
Speaker 1: coming through or like a father figure.
Speaker 5: But when someone keeps.
Speaker 1: So when I bring up a date, I don't bring
Speaker 1: up like an exact date, So don't like I'm not
Speaker 1: that good, So don't uh think that. But you know,
Speaker 1: but it's typically an important date, whether it's someone's birthday
Speaker 1: or like anniversary of something. When they show me, it's
Speaker 1: like February March time, like at the beginning, like like
Speaker 1: it's like the winter into spring. I guess it's typically
Speaker 1: a significance of a birthday or anniversary of sorts.
Speaker 5: Also too, I gotta ask you this, because.
Speaker 4: This person's doing this, it's not weird or anything.
Speaker 1: Huh, But my grandfather used to have fake teeth, and
Speaker 1: he used to have like this fake teeth, and he
Speaker 1: looked a little fake, maybe because he was older back
Speaker 1: in the day. But now obviously teeth can look not fake.
Speaker 1: I guess because this, I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 4: Your father or father figure.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he keeps taking teeth and he keeps
Speaker 1: like chomping and joking around about it, saying like his
Speaker 1: teeth were so big and like white and like perfect
Speaker 1: as he got older, like they looked like beautiful teeth,
Speaker 1: like teeth and not like my small chick lit teeth.
Speaker 1: And like also too, I mean, this is also quite impressive.
Speaker 1: It looks like he passed away when he was a
Speaker 1: little bit older. But like also too, he keeps playing
Speaker 1: with his hair, talking about like hair and how important
Speaker 1: because he keeps smiling, saying he was a good looking
Speaker 1: guy when he was younger, with a full head of hair.
Speaker 1: But then he keeps reverting back to like I mean,
Speaker 1: this is why I'm saying it's impressive. It's because it
Speaker 1: seems like he kept a majority of his hair for
Speaker 1: a pretty long time, a lot longer than other men do,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest. This is also funny through my
Speaker 1: grandfather used to have these big freaking glasses. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I used to tell my you know, like the
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer. I know, it's like really choice to say,
Speaker 1: but the Jeffrey Dahmer glasses. Yeah, And I just watched that, so, like,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm late to the party and stuff.
Speaker 5: But because he keeps like, he keeps showing to me that.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, he was also really smart too. This is interesting.
Speaker 4: He's actually really it's really smart.
Speaker 1: Because he keeps talking to me the importance of like,
Speaker 1: do you know people that have like the old school
Speaker 1: traditional values of like my grandfather used to tell me this.
Speaker 1: It's like go to school, get a job and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, like very traditional. Because what he's smiling about is,
Speaker 1: I guess you were on a traditional path, and you
Speaker 1: obviously took.
Speaker 4: On the entertainment path.
Speaker 1: But he's saying you were on a very traditional path
Speaker 1: because he's clapping for you, and then he's smiling and
Speaker 1: saying because he keeps talking and this is why I'm
Speaker 1: talking about his looks, because he keeps saying, like you
Speaker 1: were smart and like very good looking, and it just
Speaker 1: melted together, it's what he's saying, because he's saying, always
Speaker 1: use your brain, like do things once and you don't
Speaker 1: have to do things twice. But he's really talking to
Speaker 1: me about Also.
Speaker 4: His style is also like pretty impeccable too. I wanted
Speaker 4: to ask you.
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be like a little creepy
Speaker 1: and weird, but that's not creeping weird.
Speaker 4: I don't like to keep saying that, but.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like his style of sorts, like was
Speaker 1: he a very well dressed man when he was when
Speaker 1: you were growing up with him? Because he keeps smiling
Speaker 1: and he's making a joke saying he was very thin
Speaker 1: and then he kind of like let himself go a
Speaker 1: little bit, is what he's saying, but not in a
Speaker 1: bad way. Just you age and things happen, you know,
Speaker 1: but like with him in particular, what he's talking to
Speaker 1: me about is, oh, well, this has to be your father,
Speaker 1: because he's talking about how you take care of your
Speaker 1: siblings and stuff. Keeps talking about how you've become like this,
Speaker 1: I'm saying matriarch, not in like, you know, any type
Speaker 1: of way. But he's saying you've become like this person.
Speaker 1: But he's really talking about how proud he is of
Speaker 1: you being a father as well too, because he keeps
Speaker 1: leaning into he keeps saying that he felt like he
Speaker 1: was such a huge part of your childhood and you're
Speaker 1: growing up in anything you were doing, because he keeps
Speaker 1: clapping his hand saying like he was. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he was a cheerleader, That's not what I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: someone who was very supportive of anything that you were
Speaker 1: to do. And what he's saying is you're doing the
Speaker 1: same exact thing. What he's also smiling about too, is
Speaker 1: and he's making a joke, which is why I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you this. He's saying, your hair will will
Speaker 1: never be as good as his hair, is what he
Speaker 1: keeps talking about, like he keeps playing with his hair
Speaker 1: and keep playing with yours, and he keeps smiling and
Speaker 1: tapping his head saying like his was always really Well,
Speaker 1: who's the g name who's living around you? Who's like
Speaker 1: Gina Gwen? Yeah, that's you can tell you, Yeah, Because
Speaker 1: he's he wants to say something.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's my mom. That's what is my dad?
Speaker 5: That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gwen is my mom. You said that name, and
Speaker 2: you also said my dad's name, which was Wayne.
Speaker 5: Oh, his name is Wayney.
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: So I just rattle off names when I see an initial,
Speaker 1: so it sparks people. I probably said, like William, that's
Speaker 1: my first w name I always go to, honestly, but.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you said Wayne because that's a that's that's
Speaker 2: a not as common.
Speaker 1: But no, I've been reading people recently with like Walter
Speaker 1: and Wayne.
Speaker 4: Where are two very big names.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really Yeah, that's why I've been I said
Speaker 1: those two names because recently those two names came up
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: It's okay.
Speaker 4: With about the passing, I don't want to like say.
Speaker 3: Anything that you can.
Speaker 2: He said, there's something you want to say to my
Speaker 2: mom too, So I'm.
Speaker 1: Curious about Well, it's it's revolving around the past. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't. I don't know if you want
Speaker 1: me to say anything. Okay, that's want to be respectful,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 5: So I want to ask you too, because he's.
Speaker 1: Saying, was there an age gap with your parents? Yes,
Speaker 1: because he keeps making a joke saying that he was
Speaker 1: a little bit older than your mom.
Speaker 4: It seems.
Speaker 3: Almost ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just making a joke saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's like a bit of an age gap, so I
Speaker 1: didn't want to kind of assume. But he's also smiling though,
Speaker 1: really about this is the biggest thing that without getting
Speaker 1: to like personal or like anything, because I try to
Speaker 1: protect people, like that's just what I do, and I
Speaker 1: go on shows if I'm being honest, but for lack
Speaker 1: of better words, really seems like your mom was a
Speaker 1: big advocate of helping out. Is really what I want to,
Speaker 1: like without saying too much, because what he's talking to
Speaker 1: me about is circle of life and how like it
Speaker 1: became very difficult to do simple tasks is what he's
Speaker 1: trying to get into certain things with me, so standing up,
Speaker 1: using the restroom, things like that, like you have to
Speaker 1: literally take care of someone to do something at times,
Speaker 1: and it becomes like a very caretaker type of role
Speaker 1: that people step into just in general speaking, and he
Speaker 1: keeps saying that when things go very fast and things
Speaker 1: start to decline very fast. It's very hard to navigate
Speaker 1: to really expect what's going to happen. But then also
Speaker 1: see someone who was always taking care of people or
Speaker 1: trying their best to take care of people to being
Speaker 1: very dependent on others.
Speaker 5: Is what he keeps saying to me. Because what he keeps.
Speaker 1: Saying, why I'm saying this is because you could be
Speaker 1: a man or woman, it doesn't matter, but someone who's
Speaker 1: always there for someone and like always being the protector
Speaker 1: and stuff he's saying as he got older, as much
Speaker 1: as he tried to keep I'm not saying he was
Speaker 1: running a five k every day.
Speaker 4: It's not what I'm saying, but.
Speaker 1: It seemed because he keeps snapping his fingers at me, saying,
Speaker 1: like things seem to have turned pretty quick and fast
Speaker 1: with him. It wasn't a like ten year progression slow
Speaker 1: of something. Because he keeps going like this, saying like
Speaker 1: things seem to have moved at a pretty quick pace.
Speaker 1: And what he's also saying to is he never wanted
Speaker 1: to be a bob, is what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: Like he never wanted to be like, you have your
Speaker 1: own life going on, you don't have to drop what
Speaker 1: you're doing to be a part of something. Because your dad,
Speaker 1: from my perspective, how he's coming through, he's an amazing guy,
Speaker 1: but he's also very independent. I can see like he
Speaker 1: would want to help you or help someone else versus
Speaker 1: him being helped, if I'm being honest, because he's saying
Speaker 1: it was just a very different take on.
Speaker 5: I think life for him.
Speaker 1: But he's also saying and he's smiling too, And this
Speaker 1: is why I'm saying, he's making a joke because your
Speaker 1: dad also too. I don't know, this is how he was.
Speaker 1: He's being serious and he's making a joke. So he's
Speaker 1: like kind of like lessening because he doesn't want it
Speaker 1: to be so heavy the entire time. And he's just
Speaker 1: saying and like why he's saying all this too, It's
Speaker 1: really just because like he keeps talking to me about
Speaker 1: like the age difference and how like he's making a joke.
Speaker 1: It's like you know when you date someone with an
Speaker 1: age gap, you know the stuff that you're kind of
Speaker 1: going into, and he's just laughing at it.
Speaker 5: He's like being completely like joking about it.
Speaker 2: Buda, It's interesting, I know want it. There's two g
Speaker 2: names my mom being one, but they're divorced that were
Speaker 2: very involved when he was passing. When he was going
Speaker 2: through his troubles, my mom was still an incredible woman
Speaker 2: that supported him and was always there for him. Even
Speaker 2: though they divorced when I was seven, they always maintained
Speaker 2: a really great relationship and towards the end she would
Speaker 2: see him a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's he only has And again that's something
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want me to bring up,
Speaker 1: Like people get very sensitive about like divorces and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. That's just like just something I've learned and
Speaker 1: I got yelled at before, so I don't do it
Speaker 1: anymore honestly. But yeah, he was saying, your mom has
Speaker 1: always been it's like a wife without being a wife,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. It's what he's saying, because he's
Speaker 1: saying he and this is why I said to you
Speaker 1: in the beginning, How personal do you want me to get?
Speaker 1: Because your dad keeps talking about there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like we all have d I don't.
Speaker 4: Care who you are as a person. He keeps saying he.
Speaker 1: Had to fight through some things that were very intense
Speaker 1: for him, is what he's saying, Like personally, but that's
Speaker 1: why I don't know if you want me to get into.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah you can.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm curious. And I'm also curious because, like
Speaker 2: I said, the other person that he was with for
Speaker 2: a long time when he passed, who I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: have the best relationship with, but she also was a
Speaker 2: genium and she would also take care of him while
Speaker 2: he was passing. It was in the house taking you know,
Speaker 2: taking care of him. That was like his girlfriend a partner.
Speaker 1: Well, like that's what I figured if he was saying,
Speaker 1: like it's like the circle of life of like you
Speaker 1: take care of someone like he wasn't showing that he
Speaker 1: was in a hospital or like a nursing home or something.
Speaker 2: No, and it was mainly his girlfriend that was taking
Speaker 2: care of him primarily when he was passing. Yeah, going
Speaker 2: through that process. But my mom was also very active,
Speaker 2: seeing him as much as she could and spending time
Speaker 2: with him and trying to help wherever she could as well,
Speaker 2: even though she had no reason.
Speaker 3: You know too, they were divorced, and.
Speaker 1: Well, who was like a drinker or someone like that.
Speaker 1: A drinker, well, like someone who did things successively, whether
Speaker 1: it was drinking or something excessively.
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean my dad.
Speaker 2: My mom didn't drink at all. My dad drank a
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't think he'd drank excessively, but he
Speaker 2: was more of a drinker than my mom.
Speaker 1: No, it would be someone who did something, whether it's
Speaker 1: drinking or something. Doesn't have to be drinking, just something excessive.
Speaker 2: I would have to have been my dad when he
Speaker 2: was younger.
Speaker 4: Well, your dad seems like a fun person. I just
Speaker 4: kind of assumed.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you too, because he's talking about
Speaker 1: his passing about I'm using this as an example.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying this is what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm using this as an example when someone kidney's like
Speaker 1: fail and stuff, or when they're going through like something
Speaker 1: like that where it's like your body can't take medicine.
Speaker 1: It's like recting medicine and rejecting things. Because what he
Speaker 1: keeps talking to me about is what he went through
Speaker 1: and how intense, like at times, how intense it was.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like when people get sick
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's intense wholeheartedly. I don't like whatever it
Speaker 1: is he keeps saying there were certain times, in certain
Speaker 1: aspects where he's saying again, it's not exactly that. It's
Speaker 1: like a similarity of like when your body's rejecting something
Speaker 1: and your body's going through something, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more intense than when your body's accepting like anything. And
Speaker 1: he's saying that he went through what he keeps showing
Speaker 1: to me about the intensity of his passing, like the
Speaker 1: intensity of like a kind of like what he went
Speaker 1: through and to when he passed. And then also like
Speaker 1: because what he keeps saying to me is and this
Speaker 1: is just like the honest truth of it. It's like
Speaker 1: him fighting and trying to, you know, fight to stay here,
Speaker 1: but it was so intense, Like he's saying that it
Speaker 1: was just like not a it wasn't a smooth ride,
Speaker 1: is what he keeps saying.
Speaker 5: But he's saying that this is also something too.
Speaker 1: It's like certain people don't complain about things, and they
Speaker 1: don't share the full extent of what's going on. Like
Speaker 1: they may share thirty forty percent of how they're feeling,
Speaker 1: but then there's a whole sixty percent that they're really
Speaker 1: not talking about. Because he's saying that at times, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he would say he was uncomfortable or maybe not
Speaker 1: feeling great, but he's saying he wasn't sharing the full
Speaker 1: extent of how his body was. Because what he keeps
Speaker 1: also showing to me too and like explaining to me,
Speaker 1: he's like, imagine if things just start going like failing,
Speaker 1: like in your body, like you start like certain organs
Speaker 1: and stuff start failing.
Speaker 5: And he's like.
Speaker 1: He's like it all he's making a comparison is like
Speaker 1: when the ball goes rolling, it picks up steam, it
Speaker 1: doesn't slow down. And that's kind of what he's like
Speaker 1: explaining to me that it was like one thing after
Speaker 1: another after another, but it was pretty serious stuff. It
Speaker 1: wasn't small things. But he is also saying to me too,
Speaker 1: and he's pointing at you and smiling at this is
Speaker 1: there's some people that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll use my grandfather.
Speaker 1: My grandfather never took care of his health, like never,
Speaker 1: like he would be like throw dirt on it.
Speaker 4: I'm all good whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying your dad was like that. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is your dad keeps saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: people have like nine lives, like they make jokes, but
Speaker 1: people have like nine lives and stuff. He keeps saying,
Speaker 1: like what he went through was so intense that he
Speaker 1: felt like he went through like nine lives because it
Speaker 1: was just an intensive passing.
Speaker 2: It's very possible. Yeah, I can tell you I can
Speaker 2: shed a little light on this as well, you know.
Speaker 2: He I remember I was doing a movie in Vancouver
Speaker 2: and my dad didn't want to bother me, and I
Speaker 2: came back home and he basically told me, look, I
Speaker 2: have cancer.
Speaker 3: I have a type of lung cancer. That's how it started.
Speaker 2: And he always had phenomenal hair, like I was like,
Speaker 2: my dad was like Tom Selleck, magnum p I mustache hair.
Speaker 2: I could never as a kid, I could never mess
Speaker 2: with his hair. It was always a big joke between
Speaker 2: me and I like if I would try to touch
Speaker 2: his hair, be like whoa, whoa. And to this day,
Speaker 2: like I have the same thing with my kids. I'm
Speaker 2: like very particular about my hair. And I got that
Speaker 2: from him, for sure. He did have dentures that later
Speaker 2: in his life. Yep, he'd have to take him out
Speaker 2: and they were the old, like cheap looking type.
Speaker 3: They didn't look great. Yeah, and he had that for
Speaker 3: I don't know a long long time, at least.
Speaker 2: I would say probably into his fifties or something like that,
Speaker 2: maybe until he passed, which was in his seventies that
Speaker 2: I can remember, and when he got this cancer. My
Speaker 2: dad was always very health conscious though in the sense
Speaker 2: that he tried to find ways to take care of
Speaker 2: everything auto mount his own. He did get through, go
Speaker 2: through chemo, went through all these treatments to try to
Speaker 2: make it go away, but it started taking all these
Speaker 2: these mushrooms that were supposed to be good for cancer
Speaker 2: as well that he got and it developed well twofold.
Speaker 2: He would get these crazy fluid in his lungs, so
Speaker 2: the lungs would fill with fluid constantly and have to
Speaker 2: be him drained constantly, and this went on for months.
Speaker 2: Then with the cancer, the made him lose most of
Speaker 2: his hair, his mustache became, you know, a mess, and
Speaker 2: then by the time he grew it all back, it
Speaker 2: was never the same. It was never the way he
Speaker 2: looked his whole life. So I'm sure that's exactly what
Speaker 2: he's talking about in that regard. And because of some
Speaker 2: of we we believe because some of the self treatment
Speaker 2: he was doing, it attacked us out of immune system.
Speaker 2: We think this is a speculation. But he developed another
Speaker 2: condition called myasthenia gravis and it prevents like the muscles
Speaker 2: in his throat or in his the muscles that would allow.
Speaker 3: You to breathe on your own.
Speaker 2: It affects those things and to breathe smoothly or to swallow,
Speaker 2: so he couldn't really eat and he couldn't breathe very well,
Speaker 2: and then he ended up being on a ventilator. We
Speaker 2: thought we're going to pull him off the ventilator. He
Speaker 2: ended up recovering from it all with the medication, but
Speaker 2: he would go through these bouts where it would kick
Speaker 2: in and he couldn't swallow properly, couldn't use his throat
Speaker 2: muscles properly, couldn't breathe properly. So it was a very
Speaker 2: it wasn't a very pleasant ending. And when it did
Speaker 2: kick in, it was everything was fast. It was all
Speaker 2: people could all happen during COVID.
Speaker 4: Oh did it.
Speaker 3: It's a very weird time, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because he was just like trying.
Speaker 1: He was just showing to me like and like there's
Speaker 1: a difference from my perspective, you know, if I'm working
Speaker 1: with law enforcement and stuff with like tragic passing and
Speaker 1: like you can say more of like a peaceful side
Speaker 1: of like someone who I guess, like you know, lived
Speaker 1: a really really long life and natural causes when they're
Speaker 1: ninety ninety five takes them. He was saying how fast
Speaker 1: things happen and how intense it was. So from my
Speaker 1: perspective of him explaining that, I thought that was fairly
Speaker 1: like from my perspective, tragic, like like I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was like because he was saying it was intensified,
Speaker 1: it was a little fast, and it was very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for him, like because what he's also like what I
Speaker 1: was saying to you before too, he was also saying
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is how he was, but
Speaker 1: he was like swelling himself up, like he was swelling up,
Speaker 1: and he kept saying, it's like imagine being kind of
Speaker 1: in shape and or thin to whatever that is to
Speaker 1: like and not letting yourself go. But it's like a
Speaker 1: very different body, like completely different. Because he's saying from
Speaker 1: when he was and this is for I think the
Speaker 1: most cases, but for.
Speaker 4: Him, and.
Speaker 1: He's just saying that he like he cared about appearance,
Speaker 1: and he's saying like when he went through things, his
Speaker 1: appearance was not He wasn't like proud of it essentially,
Speaker 1: Like because he's saying to me, he was very proud
Speaker 1: of his appearance. Pretty much his entire life is what
Speaker 1: he's saying. Like he was very and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing, He's just accurate.
Speaker 2: It was very confident, good looking guy, and he always
Speaker 2: loved the fact that he looked so young for his age,
Speaker 2: and he carried himself very well and was sort of
Speaker 2: rico suave and kind of yeah, confident, I always say,
Speaker 2: as a cross between Vince Vaughan and and and Tom
Speaker 2: Selleck like personality wise, and looks kind of this energy charisma. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what he was known for always.
Speaker 2: So when it when he got sick, it was definitely
Speaker 2: a drastic, you know change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's he's just saying, like from his perspect
Speaker 1: if he wants pretty much everyone that was close with
Speaker 1: him to remember when he was and yes for most
Speaker 1: cases too, but from from him how he was healthy
Speaker 1: versus when he got sick, because he does care about
Speaker 1: his appearance, like I'm saying, and that was really important
Speaker 1: to him, and like that's why I'm assuming when he
Speaker 1: was coming through the first things he was talking about
Speaker 1: was his appearance about like his teeth, his hair and stuff,
Speaker 1: because most people don't bring that up in so like
Speaker 1: most people aren't like tapping their teeth and like playing
Speaker 1: with their hair and stuff that like they're just coming
Speaker 1: through to talk about like like very significant things. But
Speaker 1: like because there's a whole other thing too, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting you bring up like he didn't bring up mushrooms.
Speaker 4: He brought up like.
Speaker 1: What's the word, like, holistic medicine is what I like
Speaker 1: to call it. Yeah, because he's smiling and he's going
Speaker 1: like this and like shaking his head like and he's
Speaker 1: just smiling about it because he's saying, there's the chemo
Speaker 1: like you're talking about. Then he didn't bring up, like
Speaker 1: I said, mushrooms. He was bringing up like holistic medicine
Speaker 1: like whatever like they do, and he's smiling and he's
Speaker 1: saying that, I guess what you're kind of like what
Speaker 1: you brought up seems to be like kind of like
Speaker 1: what he's showing to me similarly about when you're taking
Speaker 1: holistic and their side effects to a holistic thing, which
Speaker 1: made his last like six tape months or maybe like
Speaker 1: a year like pretty uncomfortable because he's talking about the
Speaker 1: holistic side, and he's going like he's making a joke
Speaker 1: because he's laughing.
Speaker 4: He's like he's like, should have known, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those like listen to the doctor,
Speaker 1: don't listen to whoever. And he's going like this and smiling.
Speaker 1: But he is also someone that is like from my perspective,
Speaker 1: like a traditional sense, but he's very like open minded
Speaker 1: to things.
Speaker 5: I can seem so like he was willing to do anything.
Speaker 4: He's saying.
Speaker 1: He's saying, try everything once, like you know, it's like
Speaker 1: one of those like give everything a shot once, and
Speaker 1: that's what he's saying to me, Like he's smiling, say
Speaker 1: he's going like should have known, but try everything once,
Speaker 1: like you can.
Speaker 2: He was in a place of feeling desperate, and I
Speaker 2: remember having conversations with him about it, and he was
Speaker 2: just like, I got to try whatever it takes, something
Speaker 2: to do whatever it is. And he believed for sure
Speaker 2: that it was helping because he would see different results
Speaker 2: and maybe it did in some ways, and maybe this
Speaker 2: was always going to be his path, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to tell. Even from what he's saying.
Speaker 1: He's just saying that like when you go and you're
Speaker 1: thinking something is helpful to something that like makes things
Speaker 1: a little worse. Yeah, it's a little confused, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like a little confusing and stuff.
Speaker 3: So wow, this is great man.
Speaker 2: That was just in a quick you know, a quick
Speaker 2: reading too, but they're definitely very spot on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, like eventually when you
Speaker 1: have time like privately about like intimate things and stuff
Speaker 1: about your family and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would love to do that.
Speaker 2: And maybe when I come on your podcast, we'll do
Speaker 2: a longer one as well and see what else comes up.
Speaker 2: This was fascinating Again You're you're saying things that you
Speaker 2: couldn't even Wikipedia, you couldn't google. I mean you could,
Speaker 2: you know, you could maybe get a name or something,
Speaker 2: but you wouldn't know about the teeth. You wouldn't know
Speaker 2: about the hair, you wouldn't know about a lot of
Speaker 2: the things you spoke of. So yeah, again, I I
Speaker 2: stand a believer and you know in this field.
Speaker 4: Thank you for sure.
Speaker 3: No, and and listen is great.
Speaker 2: Great talking with you really a privilege to hear your
Speaker 2: story and and what it is that you've been doing
Speaker 2: to help so many people in law enforcement and just personally,
Speaker 2: you know, because it is when the passing of a
Speaker 2: loved one is very challenging. It was very hard on me,
Speaker 2: and you know it still is. But when you feel
Speaker 2: like there is a way to connect with somebody uh
Speaker 2: and give you some kind of closure, it's it's priceless,
Speaker 2: it really is. So thank you, thank you for being
Speaker 2: on the podcast, for joining me. I wish my wife
Speaker 2: could have been here. She would have loved it. She's
Speaker 2: the a the Hoole part of our podcast. So she's
Speaker 2: doing a movie in Puerto Rico right now. So I'm
Speaker 2: rolling solo on the podcast. But I can't wait for
Speaker 2: everybody to check out your podcast, which I know just
Speaker 2: launched again. Just going to repeat that connect with Jonathan
Speaker 2: Mark which just launched. Where can it working with this
Speaker 2: anywhere you get podcasts, I'm assuming.
Speaker 4: Writer anywhere you get podcasts, So.
Speaker 2: Everybody be sure to check it out. And I will
Speaker 2: also be on Jonathan's podcast and we will dive into
Speaker 2: some more uh fun topics for sure.
Speaker 4: Thank you man than for having me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you all right, take care.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well there you have it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you people there that I could there's you know,
Speaker 2: I wonder myself, Okay, could he wikipedia a name? For sure,
Speaker 2: you can do that. But he was still saying things
Speaker 2: that he couldn't have possibly known. It's not anywhere on
Speaker 2: the internet. How my father passed what he passed from
Speaker 2: what it was like, if it was easy or in
Speaker 2: his sleep or any of that. I had a feeling
Speaker 2: if somebody was gonna come through, it'd be my dad.
Speaker 2: I really believe that my dad has a lot to say,
Speaker 2: and it's such a true story that things with his hair,
Speaker 2: his teeth, his appearance, those are all spot on, and
Speaker 2: even the way he spoke about my mom. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm fully a believer. This is unbelievable. Thank you again
Speaker 2: Jonathan for stopping in. He's at Ado and everyone. I
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed this podcast. Until next time.
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