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Speaker 1: it gets it gets spelled right on the check. But bar,

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Speaker 1: and so that really helped me to start definding that.

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Speaker 1: Okay by by getting more and more people saying my

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Speaker 1: name right, really means my marketing and my branding is

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Speaker 1: my my my brand awareness is working. And so a

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Speaker 1: lot of people understand that, like, you know, Apple wants

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Speaker 1: all these things are very important. We talked about marketing

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Speaker 1: You know, when you say five years old and remember

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Speaker 1: remember or wouldn't even care to have done, because that

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Speaker 1: now you're a successful talent and now you're a successful businesswoman.

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Speaker 1: What are the next steps? Because you're a single parent? Correct? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I am old old cocause I've done. Yes, you're you're

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Speaker 1: I'm a single mall. That's yeah, So what's married one?

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Speaker 1: Let put that out there. So let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: whole balanced life now, because you know, you're acting, you're traveling,

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Speaker 1: then you are a mom, single mall, talk about how

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Speaker 1: you balance all that, um, you know, by the grace

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Speaker 1: So I'm very adamant about, you know, building a great

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Speaker 1: village around you as a single parent, you know, much

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Speaker 1: as we would like for super people, you know, super superheroes,

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Speaker 1: we do need help and we have to always remember that,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I've always been grateful and then too,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna brag a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: understanding of what bommy does, um, and what I have

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Speaker 1: you know, even you know, he has his moments where

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, well, mommy is physically here day

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Speaker 1: So um, that's interesting that And then that's that's the

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Speaker 1: good side of the pandemic because I'm the same way

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Speaker 1: senior in college, and you know, all those shames of

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Speaker 1: Plus she was a she was tennis star, and so

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Speaker 1: So you know we last night we're playing dance tap

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Speaker 1: a dynamic duo. They're very talented in their separate world,

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Speaker 1: but they on this show as a dynamic duel. One

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Speaker 1: is an accomplished actress and talented producer. They are the

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Speaker 1: founders of sugar Berry tick A Sumter stars in the

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Speaker 1: top rated ABC comedy sitcom mixes and hit movie Sonic

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Speaker 1: The Hedgehog. Did my daughter watched? She drugged me to

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Speaker 1: any animated movie that's really good, I go out and

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Speaker 1: see it with her. Tyrandolph is an award winning executive

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Speaker 1: and former member of Facebook's Global Marketing Solutions team. She

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Speaker 1: is currently the executive vice president general manager for Kevin

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Speaker 1: Hearts That's My Boy, Laugh Out Loud Network. On the

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Speaker 1: show today, they will be sharing that podcast that I've

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Speaker 1: listened to, Sugar Please. Welcome to Money Making Conversation. The

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Speaker 1: owners of sugar Berry, tick A Sumter and Tyrandoff, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We want to thank you everywhere.

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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for taking the time, because

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Speaker 1: you know my show. You know, you just start things

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Speaker 1: with ideas. And twenty seventeen, I just was interviewing friends

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Speaker 1: know why I was interviewing them, and uh then I

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Speaker 1: shut it down. I said, I asked my staff ago,

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Speaker 1: why are they calling me? Because I don't even know

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Speaker 1: why I'm talking to him? And so I had to

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Speaker 1: get a point of view. And so the reason I

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Speaker 1: was excited about We're gonna talk about sugar Bear, but

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Speaker 1: I want to first talk about your relationships that you

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Speaker 1: two have and then the podcast Sugar because you guys

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Speaker 1: have a point of view, and I went like, wow,

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Speaker 1: they upfront. They started it with the idea of a

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Speaker 1: concept or who they're talking to. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the whole how that process of creating that podcast sho

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Speaker 1: got started. Yeah, I mean, well it was kind of

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Speaker 1: it's weird. I think it was the first with Sugarberry,

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Speaker 1: and then we decided, you know, okay, out of this

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Speaker 1: we can have real conversations. Kind I got other through

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Speaker 1: a mutual friend of ours who introduced us and I

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Speaker 1: kind of hitched throughout some kind of ideas I had

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Speaker 1: on the wall about creating the space for black mothers

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Speaker 1: um where we can be free to speak on anything

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Speaker 1: in all conversations, including you know, our bodies and and

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Speaker 1: and even being hospitalized with pregnancy, but even I vs

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Speaker 1: 're just just somewhere to laugh and indulge in every

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Speaker 1: everything across the spectrum of motherhood and sisterhood. So you

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Speaker 1: know it's I love this idea, and we we came

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Speaker 1: together to create what Sugarberry is now and the Sugar

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Speaker 1: on Stitcher, which is our podcast. So we just wanted

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Speaker 1: to laugh and and also I think it's very therapeutic

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Speaker 1: for both of us as well as being mothers, but

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Speaker 1: not only mothers, but just human beings. You know, who

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Speaker 1: are who are career women in this world who needed

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Speaker 1: there's so many the other women who who? Who? Who?

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Speaker 1: Who needs it as well? Well you know tie your

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Speaker 1: thoughts as well. Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, Montica came up with the idea for launching

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Speaker 1: when I first set to hear out there, when when

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a skeptic nature, so I'm always looking

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Speaker 1: what captured me, that's that's who you got in business

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Speaker 1: with malform Let me tell you, with somebody who is

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Speaker 1: I want you, why why you want that? Don't make

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Speaker 1: both had respect for this mutual friend and I was

639
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Kika's work, but I was I

640
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: was very skeptical about, you know, sort of the digital

641
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: publishing space. You know, I know that, you know, we

642
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Speaker 1: as black women are you know, the fastest growing segment

643
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: of entrepreneurs of this country, but we also faced the

644
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: most hurdles when it comes to things like access to capital.

645
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure when you know, we

646
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Speaker 1: were Even as I was listening to the idea before

647
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: she invited me to you know, become her partner. Um,

648
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: I was ready to to sort of like poke the whole,

649
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: but what if she was talking? I found myself taking

650
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: off my business hat, and as a consumer, it just

651
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: resonated with me. I saw as um, you know, a

652
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: woman of color, as a new mom, someone who's up

653
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: really mobile and thinking about where do I invest my money,

654
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Speaker 1: Where do I sign the resources? You know, what products

655
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Speaker 1: and brands, UM should I support? There was just this

656
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: sort of deficit of resources and particularly resources that were

657
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: speaking to people who look like me and who shared

658
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: my experience. So you know, I said, hey, not only

659
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Speaker 1: am I interested in this, I would be your first customer.

660
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: And I think, what's really all of our efforts you know,

661
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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, the content that we program on

662
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: our site or you know, um, you know what we're

663
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: doing with the sugar or the brand partnership that we're forming,

664
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: it's all deeply personal, right Let's we want to make

665
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: sure that when we're rolling out conversations or content that

666
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: it's stuff that we can identify with. And and that's

667
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Speaker 1: what I feel like could really resonated so far with

668
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Speaker 1: it with the audience. I think, um, you know, our

669
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: community feels like we're speaking with them and not ask them.

670
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: We know. It's great. And I'm just joking about the

671
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: relationship because options do attract. And then you in business,

672
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: what what you guys both bringted their tables a huge

673
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: amount of success and a huge amount of work ethic

674
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: from from different lanes. And and the fact that I

675
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Speaker 1: love about because I've been tracking Check a little bit.

676
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: You know, she's she produces a lot of projects, she

677
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: pitches a lot of things, and she has a strong

678
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial base. And then you're coming from the Facebook side,

679
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: which is the beast of social media, so that that's

680
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: a knowledge that when you guys come together, that's almost

681
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: like a I can see why somebody would say, you

682
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: two need to talk because you're emerging digital social Uh,

683
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Speaker 1: you know it's from a celebrity stand because tis a celebrity,

684
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: she's a brand, she's a visual brand, and it allows

685
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: you to get news articles and get interviews and then

686
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get on the show and

687
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: you tell your story. But the thing I always tell

688
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: people about, the most successful black magazine right now currently

689
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: is Essence Magazine, and that's because it talks about women

690
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: of color, black women. It's point of view and that's

691
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: what I love. When I heard your podcast and I

692
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: had to go to it, I said, I'm not gonna

693
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: interview YouTube and not listen to your brand. And one

694
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: of the things that stood out when interview was like

695
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: when you guys say I hate being pregnant, and I went,

696
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, and you know, you know,

697
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, when you you'll explain that. Okay, look, I'm

698
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Speaker 1: that's possible, you know, because you know, people would say

699
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Speaker 1: stuff you go that makes sense. They have the right

700
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: to say, I love being pregnant, but I hate being pregnant. Okay,

701
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: get this. I don't like the process. I don't like

702
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: the weight getting, I don't like the ankles. But I

703
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: don't like I don't like you taking me nine months.

704
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: If this could be done in a couple of hours,

705
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: we're good. So yeah, I mean, I think it's giving

706
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, exactly what you said. It's giving um people

707
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Speaker 1: the place to be able to say things that they

708
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: normally couldn't say in public or just the space where

709
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Speaker 1: you know, that's the truth, you know what I mean,

710
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: And we are able to say the truth, especially around

711
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: each other, because we're not gonna look at each other

712
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: inside I and and give judgment for what people have

713
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: been saying for years. On the other end, you know

714
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if people say my kid is

715
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: a terrorist, it's like, oh wow, that's funny, you know.

716
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Speaker 1: And then sometimes when when something we say it, it's like,

717
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're a terrible mom. So we wanted

718
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: to give you know, my mother is a space where

719
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: they can be super hoo. And I was like so

720
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Speaker 1: in love with that. I was like, I'm a fan.

721
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm a fan because because anytime I always tell people

722
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: is that I'm always always tell people wake up stupid,

723
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: so I can accept information. If you wake up smart

724
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: all the time, you know, you know, who are you

725
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: gonna listen to if you think you're the smartest guy

726
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: in the room all the time. But I was making

727
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: going to an environment and gain information. And so when

728
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Speaker 1: I was listening and first of all, you know on

729
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: the podcast, I listened to you when y'all gave love

730
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: to Megan the Stallion because Sugar the album I c

731
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Speaker 1: d O by the same name. So it was like,

732
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Speaker 1: so when I was listening to it, I was like,

733
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Speaker 1: because I got first of all, I have six sisters. Okay,

734
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Speaker 1: so no, you're talking about a guy who has been

735
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: around women all his life. Okay, four of them are

736
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: older than me. And so so here I am going,

737
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, some this is so dead on because African

738
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: American women and women of color have always had to

739
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: accept information, had to accept clothing, clothes style, this except

740
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: hair styles had to accept. Uh. And then when we

741
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: when we pioneered and said, you know, stop, I want

742
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: to talk about our needs. You hit home runs. I

743
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: really do believe you two are hitting the home run

744
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: with what you're doing with your podcast. That's just something

745
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: just telling you that I've done a lot of great

746
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: things in our life. I produced a lot of great

747
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: things in the life. You guys are owned something very

748
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: very special, and I just wanted to say that we're

749
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna continue this interview, but I want to let you

750
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: know that I was laughing. I was like, are you

751
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: guys are natural? First of all, articulate, everything was very clear, okay,

752
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, because you know exactly we talked about the

753
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: fact that both of you guys are moms. You know,

754
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: when you'll start talking about that, you know, it's it

755
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I said, how do you know

756
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: in life we're always caught up in looks? Were caught

757
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: up in and um and because you know when I'm

758
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: when I look at because you know, she's a stall,

759
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, she's beautiful. I wouldn't even think she had

760
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: a child. So I listened to the pocket. When did

761
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: she dropped this time? So something like I'm like, form,

762
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm heavily informed, very well, you know, so I'm just

763
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm just having a good time laughing at both of

764
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: you guys, going they're crazy. I said, they're crazy, they're

765
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: crazy and so and so, yeah, thank you, thank you

766
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: for that. Well that's crazy in a good way because

767
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: now me as a man, I can have a good

768
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: time and I can get a window you know the

769
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about it when you know Steve Harvey and

770
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: I produced this book, A collect to Think Like a Man.

771
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: The reason it was successful because we opened up information

772
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: lane about what men really think about women and daity. Okay,

773
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: that's why the book sold three in copy and so

774
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: because you two are going to open up that wind

775
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: all opening up. Let me just let me say it. Now,

776
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: you're opening up this lane. Don't stop, don't stop, you

777
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: can't stay tka TI TNT. I gotta keep going, girl,

778
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: gott keep going. You know, you know, optimism and suspect,

779
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: ostimism and suspect. I don't know. I love it. Why

780
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: you love it? I'm not sure? Why are you sure?

781
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm having a good time with my ladies here? One

782
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was praying. I don't know

783
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: you have the child, you know. Listen to our podcast.

784
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: All this information to be downloaded on me. Um. That's

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Speaker 1: t n T. That's Tica and ticking something tyrand of

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Speaker 1: brilliant on feels you know her for mixing and a sonic.

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Speaker 1: The Hedge hard hit movie made over three hund million

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Speaker 1: dollars world a wide hundred and thirty six million dollars locally. Um,

789
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: tie of the fact that she's even tied to Facebook

790
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: makes you amazing. But she's also tied to another amazing guy,

791
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard laugh out Loud Networks. She's your general manager

792
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: and executive vice president. Please welcome back to the show.

793
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about uh, further expanding into the lifestyle the

794
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: culture of women of colors sugar berries. Talk about that.

795
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: How you want to take that one? Sure? Um? So

796
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: you know so so, Like I said, Montika came with

797
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: the idea and we first started talking about it. But

798
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: what was interesting is we had seen similar efforts really

799
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: scale and grain traction with you know, non black women.

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00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: So you have the groups of the world with Sinnis Paltrow, Um,

801
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: you know Jessica Album, who are a great you know

802
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: fan of his, his launched and scale honest company in

803
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a really interesting way, Corney Kardashian, and we said, where

804
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: is ours? Right and to your point about um, you

805
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: know sort of Tika being a huge celebrity but also

806
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: just so well loved by the community and very respected,

807
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: it was who better to helm this And she's been

808
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: so open and honest about you know, her own experiences.

809
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: And then we wanted to make sure those that sort

810
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: of you know, the one thing we wanted to separate. Yes,

811
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: you wanted to be aspirational but very inclusive UM. And

812
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: so on one side of the Sugar Bearer, you really

813
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: feel when we lant Um, there's a video on the

814
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: site where we talk about the reason for founding it

815
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: and we say this is a love letter to black moms,

816
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: and so this really is a passion project UM with

817
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: us wanting to provide the resources that we were looking

818
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: for that weeda and have. On the flip side of that, however,

819
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: though there was this grounding and this being really really

820
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: good business ties. You know, Black African American women guild

821
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of purchasing power. Um. You know, if

822
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: African Americans alone work country, they would be the fifteenth

823
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: largest economy in the world. And African American women control

824
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the lion share of that purchase and power. And so

825
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: the impact that we can have on consumer goods, on

826
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: media consumption. You talk about Facebook, look at how red

827
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: Table Talk literally resides the watch platform, or when you

828
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 1: look at you know, network television and the success of

829
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: the likes of This is Us and Blackish and now

830
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: mixed issh. You see that it's not just that we

831
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Speaker 1: influence our own purchasing behavior, but we have a tremendous

832
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: amount of general market um purchase influence. And so in

833
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: founding Sugar Barrier, we wanted to really envelop and embrace um,

834
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Speaker 1: you know, black moms and tell a different story about

835
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: black motherhood or a myriad of different stories. But we

836
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: also wanted to connect with brands and advertisers and media

837
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: companies in a real way and say, here is our community.

838
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Let's communicate to them with care and nuance. Right. You know,

839
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Speaker 1: it's really interesting that in one of my other favorite shows,

840
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: romantic shows as a cherish today, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've seen that serious. That's one of the most ability

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Speaker 1: love visits to work with that look beautiful, beautiful beauty.

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00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm just laid down there. I'm feeling your ladies, I'm

844
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: feeling your boy, are feeling both of you guys. He's

845
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: the Here's the whole thing about it is that when

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00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, you're welcoming and love and

847
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: environment for moms of color by providing content surrounding health,

848
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: which is important wellness, finances, self care, travel, and so

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Speaker 1: much more. Now, let's go back to let's talk about

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00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: the health first, because you know right now during this pandemic,

851
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, immediately more African Americans affected or dying because

852
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. What do you talk about when when

853
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: your what is your platform for health when it comes

854
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: to women of color? Well, you know, some of our

855
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: articles have been about real immediate financial health, like the

856
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: financial literacy of it all with the stimulus check or

857
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: just COVID nineteen, how do you apply for unemployment or

858
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: or things like that. So we've been really trying to

859
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: drive articles like that out. We've been trying to talk

860
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: about the disparities. I mean, that's what we do anyway,

861
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: we talk about disparity. But that's one way we've been

862
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: trying to get information out to the people who need

863
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: it most. We know it's really because in the business

864
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: as we live that you know, it's a male dominated business,

865
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, where there's a producing executives, and but women

866
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: are becoming you know, they're they're as far as entrepreneur

867
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: women of color. What what I'm not putting you on

868
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: the spot to say you guys are the experts, but

869
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: you are my sugar team. Okay, so I'm gonna come

870
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: to you, okay, And so I got I got, I

871
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: got megastar over here, I got Mega Mega produced over here,

872
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: I got Mega executive over here, Megastar Mega executive. Okay,

873
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: y'all dynamic team. So with that being said, why why

874
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: is it? Why? Why how African American women feel they

875
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: can do it? They can They don't have to work

876
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: for anybody anymore. When they've been portrayed you know as

877
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: as and you know Fams Maide or Overweight on television

878
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: a lot or the the lovable character. That's all. He's funny.

879
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: Other than there have been very few times on TV

880
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: that African women have been traded as professionals. So why

881
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: do you feel that now African women say, no, we

882
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: can do this, we can go out there and we

883
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: can be business people. Well, I think Black women have

884
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: been carrying the load of all businesses from the time

885
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: we came to this country and every way. So I

886
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: think we've been carrying Michelle Obama talking, that's that, the

887
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: young Michelle Obama talk. We've we've just been pushed down

888
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: all the way to the bottom of the totem poll.

889
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: Have not gotten anything back for all the work we've done.

890
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: But I think now obviously the time has changed, and

891
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, people are starting to create things for themselves.

892
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: They're like, listen, I can you know all the streaming platforms,

893
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: all the platforms online that people are posting their stuff

894
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: and not waiting for people anymore or the powers that be.

895
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: And I think where our culture is the culture that pushes,

896
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, pushes forth the conversations. We we pushed forward

897
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: what's cool, you know, and we've been doing that for

898
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: so long. And I think we've been doing it and

899
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: everybody else has been taking it and capitalizing off of it.

900
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: And now we're like, wait a second, we're always left behind.

901
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: Let's do stuff for ourselves. Let's collaborate, and let's let's

902
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: show who we are. We're very dynamic, well rounded people

903
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: and every aspect, you know. And so I think it's

904
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: not that we couldn't do it before. It's just the

905
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: not not only was the opportunity not there, but the

906
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: tools weren't all there, and people weren't leaving doors open

907
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: for us, you know, or acting like they knew our

908
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: stories better than we knew ourselves. So I think just

909
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: the time timing has changed and people are probably especially

910
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: people of color, Black people are We're sick and tired

911
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: of being sick and tired of people constantly taking control

912
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: of our narrative. And I thank you, and I think

913
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: we had We're living in the residual reality of a

914
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: couple of generations of really strong black you know, erations

915
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: of strong Black women who really prepare this generation of women,

916
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: right Like I think if you look at the pasture

917
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: that our mom's had. If what's interesting if you look

918
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: at the research and not just the number of um

919
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: new entrepreneurs who are African American women, but if you

920
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: look at how many of those are first generation college students,

921
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty daggerant. So you have to think about the

922
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: seeds that were son, you know, just you know, twenty

923
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: years ago, yours or thirty years ago, said Okay, I'm

924
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna make sure my daughter goes to school. I'm going

925
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that he has this you know sort

926
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: of pastors independent and so you know that I really

927
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: think that this is like the fruit of many of

928
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: our mother's labors to them, and yet it um And

929
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: then I think you see this solidarity forming where they're

930
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: almost seemed to be this resistance for so long there

931
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: could only be one of us. And whether it's seeming

932
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: or the number of you know, UM women's groups and

933
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: sororities and UM you know sort of consortions that you

934
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: seeing where you know, we're pulling our resources, UM and

935
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: our efforts to really amplify and support each other. It's

936
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: a really beautiful movement that's going on amongst women of color.

937
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: I can't tell you on the Sugar how many amazing

938
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs we have had in one staff that or another,

939
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: from interior designers and furniture store owners to um. You know,

940
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: people in the wellness fields are trans you know, like

941
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Debbie Brown and the wellness field who's really transforming things.

942
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: But the one through line is that everyone has been

943
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: so supportive of other women of color. So so I

944
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: think there's a kind of a movement or undercurrent there too.

945
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's really uh. The thing about it is

946
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: that in here both of your articulate the playing the

947
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: mission and I'm talking to takas something in tyrand Off

948
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: there the host of The Sugar, one of their many

949
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: and devors as a podcast which airs every week and

950
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: the listeners can laugh, learn, love and as they spill

951
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: The Sugar instead of the tea they shared infibrated, celebrating

952
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: sisterhood and mother the hood. And you know the thing

953
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: about it is that when I when you when you

954
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: mentioned you know, Jessica album you're missening to some other

955
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: people you know right now as a podcast, and then

956
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned red Table. Now, what you guys are doing

957
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: is not red Table. It's something totally different. Does this

958
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: does will this become visual? Will we'll be able to

959
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: see this in a streaming platform maybe or a syndicated

960
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: platform maybe. Because I'm telling your Sean McDonald's a fan,

961
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: because first of all, I love talking to you guys,

962
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: because y'all really are you know, get the muddon, Jeff,

963
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, Lauren Hardy, y'all really are y'all option and

964
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: y'all y'all sounded like you know, you know that I

965
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: need to see y'all on TV because I go, is

966
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: that Tika Tuck? You know, I got to put that

967
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: old ear to the to the phone, you know what

968
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: we're talking to. Yeah, Yeah, we're absolutely excited to once

969
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: we get out obviously, once we're all able to leave

970
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: the house again, plans to Yeah, a bunch of theories

971
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: on our on our platform sugarberry dot com. But also,

972
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: um yeah, there's see the visual of the actual podcast

973
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: on because it's just a wonderful Um. Like I said,

974
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Val with Essence Magazine,

975
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: the Essence Festivals all those years and just going down

976
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: and seeing five hundred thousand, you know, black people and

977
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: to walk around and at least eight percent of the

978
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: African American women walking around, you know, examining their culture,

979
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: of building their culture and throughout this country. You know,

980
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: your uh circle of sisters in New York that's a

981
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: giant festival. Charlotte, that's a giant female festival. So they're

982
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: always festivals for women, geared towards women. But I like

983
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: the fact that you guys are becoming a varce an

984
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial vorce and saying women are beyond let's letsten to

985
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: beyond the kitchen, beyond being just cute, being just being

986
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: being a person of face, of attractiveness, your business people,

987
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: of people who you know, your your your your wives,

988
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: you're raising kids. But guess what you're more than that

989
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: is that is that basically the story in a in

990
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: a version of what you guys are trying to accomplish

991
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: and tell on a daily basis, not only with your platforms, Sugar,

992
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: but with your brand Sugarberry. Yeah. I mean say, um,

993
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, motherhood should be enjoyed, not just indoors, and

994
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: we wanted to all these you know, seasing stories. But

995
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, to your point about you know,

996
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: not just being a pretty face and not just being

997
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: what's what's so interesting is from a business partnership perspective,

998
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: in Tatica's earlier point about finding someone who you know

999
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: is sort of who balances your strength and weaknesses, but

1000
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: also who has the same work ethic you got so

1001
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: hands on not just in sort of the program she's

1002
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: hands on in the creative direction and the programming and

1003
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: the editorial in do dual structures, And so I think

1004
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: that you know, it's it's really really hope to lay

1005
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: up a blueprint for you know, women and this entrepreneurs

1006
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: in general. Um, it's a it's a lot of hardware,

1007
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: but but also um, you know, there's there's space for

1008
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: everyone at the table, and so so much of what

1009
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: we talked about even on the Sugar is what this

1010
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: journey has been like for us, Like launching during the

1011
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: COVID crisis and you know, our own you know, sort

1012
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: of hurdles with you know, raising capital. So um, so yeah,

1013
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's a point of inspiration. Chika,

1014
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: what would you say? Yeah, I think it's a point

1015
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: of inspiration. And I think it's just I mean, I

1016
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: don't think I think having a pretty face is just

1017
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: not enough. And I don't think anybody just I don't

1018
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: think anybody wants to just be a pretty face. I

1019
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: think they just have to find their passion and what

1020
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: they're really good at and then go from there, you know,

1021
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: and try to seek the opportunities where they are and

1022
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: start from where you are. So yeah, we know, you know,

1023
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking to very two very smart, smart ladies. And

1024
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I saw tikasaw these movies.

1025
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: I think you started with Jamie Lee Curtis and um

1026
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: and you were and yeah, right right right and you

1027
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: um and you were rattling off these terrorist names, and

1028
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: I I went, I went, ain't no way I could

1029
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: say two of those names correctly. You just articulate them

1030
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: so smooth, and so it's just it's just, you know,

1031
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: there's nothings like that impressed me. I'm just sorry. Yeah,

1032
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm just a simple guy. Tka ta T I'm just

1033
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: simping like that, you know, something like that. But the

1034
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: more because I was like, I don't know how I'm

1035
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Dad, you did it. You did it.

1036
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you. Even if you said

1037
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: that name wrong, you said it clear. Well, I'm talking

1038
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: to the stars of the Sugar is an incredible podcast.

1039
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I would do me this favor, send me some banners

1040
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Speaker 1: so I can promote I got, you know, I got

1041
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Speaker 1: my little social media following of almost a million on uh,

1042
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: I got my fan club or with ainty thousands, I

1043
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: got several platforms. I'm a fan of not just a

1044
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: fan of you too. I'm a fan of what you

1045
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: guys are accomplishing. And I know a journey takes a

1046
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: lot of village members, and I'm a village. I'm one

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Speaker 1: of the people, y'all. I'm one of the T and

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Speaker 1: T village people having us. We really appreciate. Awesome. Don't

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Speaker 1: next guest is a screenwriter. A screen writer. Now see,

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Speaker 1: I'm a sitcom ter. She's a screen right, that's a

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: big difference. We're gonna talk about that. She is straight

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Speaker 1: out of Compton, California. Both the father and brother formerly

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Speaker 1: served as mayors. I'm pretty sure I've met them. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure. She holds the Masters of Fine Arts in

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: Screenwriting from Loyola Marymount University and Masters of Art from

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: Full of Seminary, and as an ordained minister. So I

1082
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: can't use an extra words on the show. She's on

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00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: the show to discussed overcoming the odds, being mentored by

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: my man John Singleton, and then incredible lifetime movie The

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00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Clark's Sisters First Ladies of Gospel. Please walk on the

1086
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: money making Conversation, Camille Tucker, Hi Rashwan, thank you for

1087
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Speaker 1: having me Comilla, so comire. What part of the country

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Speaker 1: you know are you sitting there right now? I'm in

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Speaker 1: l A. I'm in the l A area, l A, California, Cali, Cali.

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Speaker 1: Straight out of Compton, straight straight out of Compton. I

1091
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: know Steve Harvey and I was a broadcast and two

1092
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand five we did several live broadcasts,

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: some City Hall, Compton. Now you know, so I as

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: as as you know, and you know, the interesting thing

1095
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: about it is that when we signed our contract in

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01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: two thousand doty two point three to Beat, which was

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01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California, you know they will do live broadcast,

1098
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: but they were new love broadcasts in the black communities

1099
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: and so and so it was kind of like, you know,

1100
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: it was always on the perimeter. You know, black people

1101
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: have to come to us. And so we went to

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Speaker 1: Ballwin Hills, which is off of Crenshaw in Los Angeles,

1103
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: and we went to Compton. People y'all gonna go to

1104
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: the company went to Watts. See, these are primary locations.

1105
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Speaker 1: If you're listening to other part of the couch. Everybolace,

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Speaker 1: I said, it's black folks Balling Hills. Straight black people. Okay,

1107
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: they ain't gotta come to you. They're gonna walk to you. Okay,

1108
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: they don't have to, they're only getting a bus. They're

1109
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: gonna just walk up to you and shake your hand,

1110
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: and it and it changed our lives. But more importantly,

1111
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to tell a different narrative or what people

1112
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: have thought them what they saw in movies which he

1113
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: saw on TV about black people in these communities. They

1114
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: just like you. They want to their middle class, They

1115
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: want to they want better for their children and what

1116
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: they have for themselves and that and that kind of

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: got that when I was reading your bio about who

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01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: you are as a person and knowing that your your

1119
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Speaker 1: father was the Mayor Compton and your brother was a

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Speaker 1: mayor was also the Mayor Compton. Talk about that whole

1121
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Speaker 1: experience and and and just just growing up in that

1122
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: environment then then moving out of that environment. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: feel I'm totally a daughter of Compton. And something interesting,

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Speaker 1: my father, Walter our Tucker the second used to always say,

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: he said that people would say, can any good thing

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Speaker 1: come from Compton? And he told them, well, they used

1127
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: to say the same thing about Nazareth. My dad to

1128
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: say that, and that we know that where Jesus came

1129
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: from absolutely absolute. People always have a certain stigma about

1130
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: certain locations and it's not until or certain cities or

1131
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: places community and when you grow up in that community,

1132
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: you know really what the community is, and I grew

1133
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: up in a place where people looked out for each other,

1134
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: where they cared about, um, the local politics and people involved.

1135
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: They were civic servants. And interestingly, I grew up in

1136
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: a neighborhood called Richland Farm, which was zoned for a

1137
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: livestock so that's something people don't There were black cowboys

1138
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: in my community driving down. Are not driving riding down,

1139
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: riding down with their chaps and on horses, and so

1140
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: that was really rich. My friend had steer and they

1141
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: used to compete in the four h and everything. But

1142
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: what I did see was Venus and Serena practicing at

1143
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: compt Community College with their father. So I saw them.

1144
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean I literally you know, they their products of

1145
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: it and other great friends and people that I know, Um,

1146
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: just a business colleague, Ava du Rene and Leslie Psych's

1147
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: fan who's on the ABC Channel seven news. So we

1148
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: know that good things and good people can come from anywhere.

1149
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: But Compton is a big part of my writing, my influences,

1150
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: the local color, the people that I met, the interactions

1151
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: that I had living in an all black community and

1152
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: even going to a predominantly white school, and just the

1153
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: interesting psychotomy of those experiences is what really inspired me

1154
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: as a writer. So I am grateful for that background

1155
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: and that experience. Well, it articulates your tone, and I

1156
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: think that's important because of the fact that that's why

1157
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: I feel blasted. I can have this, I think a

1158
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: natural conversation with you about l a from a from

1159
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: a black perspective of now people, Yeah, because rap rap

1160
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: put a label on you know, rapp was successful, but

1161
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: it also lead people to believe that, you know, violence, gangsters,

1162
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: and so that that didn't help. It help the rappers

1163
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: payer racketbooks. But they have the communities, and so reception

1164
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: breeds ignorance sometimes when the ignorance is what you're projecting,

1165
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: and and that's what that's what the neighborhoods like watch

1166
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: neighborhoods like Baling, the Hills area south Central was not

1167
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: even a community, but it became like a community. And

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01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: uh just an area of the streets that Crenshaw that

1169
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: you drive down and then uh Courts Compton and uh.

1170
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Speaker 1: And it was really the thought process that watch you back,

1171
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: and you hear black people watch you back when you

1172
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: go over there. Boy. And so now when it gets

1173
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: that it's interesting also as my father and his brothers

1174
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: were all doctors and they had a high rise medical

1175
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: building in the middle of Watch community. I mean, we

1176
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: want to show we don't sure to tell the truth

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Speaker 1: that this this one we're gonna talk about the first

1178
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: Ladies of Gospel. But we got to tell the truth first, Camal.

1179
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Speaker 1: That's why I brought you. Tell the truth. Tell the truth.

1180
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: Preach a little bit all day, mimister, preach a little bit, preacher. Well,

1181
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: I think what's so cool is that you see and

1182
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: I see, like my father went Tom Harry Dental School,

1183
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: and I remember growing up from my friends from either Compston, Carson,

1184
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: Baldwin Hills, and even some lived in Paul Verdi. These

1185
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: African American men who had gone to Howard, who was

1186
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: gone a Morehouse, who had gone to like my Harry,

1187
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: my mother went to Fifth who had a lot of um,

1188
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: just pride and and and they're not bad pride, but

1189
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: the pride and what their work, their work ethic and

1190
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: what they did, and they passed down um great values

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: to us. So what I see, like you said, is

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: middle class people, working class people, UM who wanted to

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Speaker 1: the next generation to thrive. And I think they passed

1194
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: down great value to us. So that's the other side

1195
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: of the story, and to be honest, when you talk

1196
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: about a window into the Clark sisters. The way I

1197
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: was raised and my dad was also an associate pastor

1198
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: in the Baptist Church, I believe that equipped me or

1199
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: uniquely spoke to me when this project came to me

1200
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and I saw it was

1201
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: about this strong woman who helped mold her daughters for

1202
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: excellence and wanted them to rise above stereotypes or any

1203
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: kind of thing like that placed on them. And I

1204
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: felt like that was my mother and my father, and

1205
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: I felt like those were the values that were instilled

1206
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: in me. So I could relate so much to that.

1207
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: And I could also relate to raising up and in

1208
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: the scrutiny of the church and how some of that feels,

1209
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: and how you're trying to find your voice for me,

1210
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: particularly as a creative artist. So I feel like the

1211
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Speaker 1: way that I was raised and my family and my

1212
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: heritage had a big part of me wanting to tell

1213
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: this story and to be involved in this project. Well,

1214
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting because you see a lot of things on

1215
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: TV and I would I could never do that because

1216
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: it was it was written with a certain level of sensibility.

1217
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: And uh, and you know I believe in God, but

1218
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: not to the way that you've lived a godly life,

1219
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, raised in the church, father, minister.

1220
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: You know you became an ordained minister, but still have

1221
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: everyday life. I wasn't always living a godly life. Come on, ye, menister,

1222
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: we can't go like that now, we can't go like that.

1223
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: We can't go like that. Got to tell you you

1224
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: gotta stay not part of my That's why I pay

1225
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: the Lord come here. When I'm just saying, is that

1226
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: you just jumped out this? Can you ken you let

1227
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: me just do my show a little bit? Can you?

1228
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: Can you just let me lavish praise only because I'm

1229
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: just saying you have a shaped life, you know, whereas

1230
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: you know you have the title of ordained minister. And

1231
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to That's why I wanted to

1232
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: start with a straight out of Compton store, you know, say,

1233
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: so we can shape you are because a lot of

1234
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: people don't understand how you get to these places. That's

1235
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Speaker 1: why I want to bring up John Singleton in a minute,

1236
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: because see, these all these things shape you to be

1237
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: able to tell a story. Like you said, we're watching

1238
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: this movie, this amazing movie, because I Cure shared on

1239
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: it and they let me see the movie prior to

1240
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: the premiering on the Lifetime. So I was like, all in,

1241
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't even wait to talk to her about it,

1242
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: you know. And then so so when the air, I

1243
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: was telling, watch watch this movie was amazing, This move

1244
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: was amazing. Because the reason I say that because you

1245
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: know here the clock sisters, and then you talk about

1246
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: chell I wasn't always like ordained because in this movie,

1247
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't a goodie two shoe story. Okay, it showed

1248
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: some dark sides. And so that is why I have

1249
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: to tell people, well, how did she? Why was she

1250
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: able to pull it out? Because look at who she is.

1251
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: She she's a black woman, blew up in a black community,

1252
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: not not a not with a bad that the world

1253
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: saw a different way than she lived it. She went

1254
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: to a white environment educating that process. And so you

1255
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: walk so many different lanes. And because you walk so

1256
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: many different lanes, it allows you to say, can I

1257
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: tell on his story here? Because they could have sugar

1258
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: coated a lot of things. Mama Clark, she could have

1259
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: been like a cool lady, you know. But she was.

1260
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: She was a tough you know. And I told kid

1261
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: who just said kids, she was kind of tyrannical to me.

1262
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: She wasn't tyrannical. Hey, I'm just saying, you know, she's

1263
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: pretty dominant, you know. You know, I was. I was

1264
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: lamely there when I saw I saw a dominating person.

1265
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, this woman said, this woman said, home girl,

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Speaker 1: she couldn't even have a life. She had a driver,

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: mama everywhere and so so. But this was part of

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Speaker 1: the story. The grandfather of the father of their of them,

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01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: of the Clark's sisters were he was, you know, physically

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: abused as mama. So that stuff could have been left out.

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Speaker 1: But y'all told a real story. That's why I loved it.

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: And it's it's a blessing that you had the ability

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: to craft the story and then co write the story.

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01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: That's a journey in itself, isn't it. Yes, so much

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01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 1: a journey and of a worthy journey and a journey

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for to be a part of that experience.

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01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: And I had to dig in the deepest part of

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: myself to help tell that story. Now, let me ask

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01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: you this in the in the process of telling the

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: honest story, and you know, we all know this is

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: as honest as it gonna get. Were there any pushback

1282
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: on certain storylines that were developed they weren't flattering or

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: are there any pushback? Yeah, there was no pushback. The

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: card sisters were very open and very vulnerable and wanted

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01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: the truth to be told. I would say that there

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: were certain things that we wanted to do more nuanced.

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01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: Like you'll notice when the scene between Maddie and her husband,

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: you don't see the violence on screen, it's behind the

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: closed doors, and that was an adjustment to bring more

1290
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: nuanced so you don't necessarily have to see it, but

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: you know what's happening. And that's how some of the

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: younger daughters experienced, you know, some of the drama that

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: was going on in the household. So um, yeah, I

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01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: think little changes like that can sometimes make the story

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: more powerful. Well there's that's old school movie teller, you know,

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, you know, when people

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01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: are about to make love, they just they they faded

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: the dark. Then they come back smoking cigarettes. You know

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You free about knew something happened between

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: the faith, the dark and the cigarette smoking, and and

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: and so I got that, and that's why. And I

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: felt that that's the only way you should tell this story,

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: because if you went any darker, that's a different story.

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: The stories about this mom who's on a mission, a

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01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: godly mission, you know, to to to empower her daughter

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01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: because you say, look at you, guys are not gonna

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: be cooks and maids. She was passionate about that from

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01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: her daughters. And I'm talking about my friend Camille Tucker,

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, amazing writer. The hit movie on Lifetime. It

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: will be real. We're gonna talk about that. And then

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: the Clark's Sisters, the First Ladies of Gospel. The Family

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Speaker 1: was the highest radio original movie the year across all networks,

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Speaker 1: with the viewership of two points seven million Lifetime. It's happy,

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: very happy. And now it's up to what I'm saying.

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01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: She won't let me get none of my facts. I'm

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: just so tired of you came here. You're just gonna

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01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: just take all my little thunder hunt. The thing about

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell the movie, um, but it

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: was compelling. I didn't know where the story is gonna go.

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01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: The fact that they were from Detroit and the heart

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: of the Motown era. And their mom said, no, you're

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01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: doing gospel. And they could all blow. They could blow.

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01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: They were attractive and could blow. Lets me know that

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: they were in Jackson five was just eating up the

1325
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: airwave radio waves, and but she was on the mission.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you give us an insight that, uh

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Speaker 1: what what what made the Clark system besides being talented?

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Speaker 1: What made them sick? Yeah? Thank you. Um. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I just want to also give honor to the beautiful queens,

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: the Clark sisters, and thank them for their life and

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: their legacy to tell the story. But you know, there's

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: a key line that U Dr. Mattie Mosk parks that

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01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: she says, I'm gonna make the stars for Jesus, and

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01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: so she was determined that they stayed in the church.

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01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: But I think two things are very interesting. Number One,

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: they call it one voice in the movie. At one

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01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: point we will kind of toying around with the phrase

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: family blend. And those sisters are annointed because their voices

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: are all sound like one voice, and their blend is perfect.

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01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: And I think that there's something that happened with families,

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: like God does something magical in the DNA that you know,

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: one thing's first topprount all the other things second toppronto

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01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 1: the other one things out till the other one's contract

1344
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: outside the other one's tenor how do you get each

1345
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: daughter has that different range? How do you you don't

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: plan that? So that is like as something thing to me,

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons that they

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: are so successful because of that family blend. It sounds

1349
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: like honey, it sounds like their voices are coming down

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: from heaven and then the other thing. In addition to

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: all of them having a very unique gift that blends together,

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: Twinkies musical writing genius is huge. See. The thing about

1353
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: Twinkie is she studied musical theory and she combined different

1354
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: genres and we saw that with You Brought the Sunshine,

1355
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: But she was doing that all the time. She'd be like,

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01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: I want to yeah, I want some reggae, the R

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: and B. I want some gospel, and she mixed them

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: together and come up with songs. And that was I

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: think big in terms of people being like, this is unique,

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: this is fresh. So I think that was a big

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01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: part of it too. Well, you know, it really was.

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01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: I think that she wrote over two songs. I believe

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: that was one of things. Yea, at the end of

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01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: the movie, it was you know that. The thing about

1365
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: it is that you know and watching and you know

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the movie. Will they don't all turn

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: out good for all clocks sisters, you know, you know that,

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: And that's and that's a that's a point that I

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01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: think that one could have a vision and a focus

1370
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: and said this is what I think you should do.

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: But everybody wants to live their own lives and sometimes

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: and when you do that, you see that in the

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: groups break up. I was looking at the Kiss, The Kiss,

1374
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: Break Your Break another band, you know, they were talking

1375
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: about how Jean and he stayed and the other two

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: went that went away and so then they wanted to

1377
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: come back. And so it's like a lot of people.

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01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: What my biggest takeaway was that the reason that Clarks

1379
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: are very successful. Yes, the mom was very driven, okay,

1380
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: but the daughters were willing to work hard, they were

1381
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: willing to find that one note that you're talking about

1382
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: one note, and they were willing to drive her everywhere.

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: But the other thing that came out of is that

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: she was a female in a very very male dominated world. Yes, absolutely,

1385
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: And it showed itself a couple of times when when

1386
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: you were dealing with the record deal as a promoter, okay,

1387
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: because she was booking their dates and then the church, Yes,

1388
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: how did how did that play a role in your storytelling?

1389
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: It was so important to me because I did not

1390
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: know really as much about Dr Naddie Moles Clark before

1391
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: I started on this project, and I felt like, we

1392
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: have these unsung heroes and here siroes and heroines, and

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: I felt like she was someone so critical in such

1394
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: a trailblazer for that time that a lot of people

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: didn't know about. And I felt challenged and I felt

1396
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: hon it, like I want the people to know about

1397
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: this woman who was um really kind of bucking the standard,

1398
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: and I believe helped bring about change in the Church

1399
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: of God in Christ. I feel like some of the

1400
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: way that the Church of God in Christ is now,

1401
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: whereas you can see the Clark's sisters being able to

1402
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: off different platforms, go into you know, seeing in the

1403
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: secular arenas, or go to essencest or whatever, wear pants

1404
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: and things like that, we have to give a tribute

1405
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: to going with I think the Cork this is we're

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01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: the ones that helped forwards that path, you know, and

1407
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: Dr Maddie Moss Clark helped forwards that path. So I

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01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: see her as someone just like how we um and

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to like compare important to people, but

1410
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: we give tribute to like Harriet Tubman or we said

1411
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: she was a great woman in history and she helped

1412
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: change things. And I feel like Dr Maddie Moss Clark too,

1413
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: and also having her doctorate music and everything. So I

1414
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: look at that and I'm like, thank you for women

1415
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: like that who had the courage that opened opportunities for

1416
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: women like me today and other women whether they're singers,

1417
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: artists or have you. Um. Yeah, And it's fascinating to me. Well,

1418
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was important for you know,

1419
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 1: for you what you're articulating is very important. But I

1420
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: view what they accomplished and still accomplishing the day was

1421
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: the gospel version of what Destiny Child became. Yeah, you know,

1422
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, because an amazing breakthrough because that's the child

1423
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: that was an industry dominated by whites. Okay, what they did,

1424
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, it became a pop powerhouse, powerhouse and we

1425
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: know that, you know, gospel music at that time was

1426
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: just dominated by the ministers and man dominated that sound

1427
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: and then you but and that's what that what that

1428
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: what made her so driven in that scene that she

1429
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: talks to the church and they you know, like I said,

1430
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: the cool thing is that when I'm telling you this story,

1431
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: I'm telling you about a journey, and there's a journey

1432
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: from you know, when the first thoughts, and it carries

1433
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: through the ups and downs, the pains of success, the

1434
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: unexpected loads of success because you know, when you because

1435
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: you know we're doing the journey of success, you expected

1436
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: to just be uppardly, just go skyrocket, but it does

1437
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: just for somehow you guys able to just to show

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: their their relationships with the when you know, because because

1439
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: what what what what? Marm Ma Clarke didn't bet on

1440
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: the outside relationship tearing a group of part in her eyes.

1441
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: You know, these girls to become women, and women eventually

1442
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna meet men, and men are gonna have to have

1443
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: decisions with the women of the wives and all this stuff.

1444
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: That's what she didn't prepare for. And that really was

1445
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: the her most humbling part of how to deal with

1446
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: that and come to grips with that. And I thought

1447
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: you guys did a very good job of that in

1448
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: your storytelling. Yeah, thank you. And I know one of

1449
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: the scenes that like I'm hearing feedback from people, the

1450
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: scene with Tweinkie and her new husband and how it

1451
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: was related to us, And that's the scene that's really

1452
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: getting a lot of people. Um, and that's a pretty

1453
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: powerful scene. There's several things in that film that are

1454
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: just like outside the Church powerful on John Terrell and

1455
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: and Mama and Dr Maddi, my Park. You know, y'all

1456
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: had yea plenty powerful seasons. Don't underserve yourself. You know.

1457
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: It was so many act break act, break at break,

1458
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: go to commercial. It was so many great scenes. And

1459
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm just happy I got to see it just straight through,

1460
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's just so amazing moment.

1461
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: But I also want to point out this is that

1462
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: it was a note that it was so many stars

1463
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: in social media that got on board with this project.

1464
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: To Roger p Henson, Man, Tyler Perry, Mariah Carey, you know,

1465
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: able do an age, Janet Jackson, so many people just

1466
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: said watts for so many different genres. How did that

1467
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: make you feel? This is your little project? You started

1468
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,799
Speaker 1: in two thousand five. This is the Clarkson is on lifetime.

1469
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: We all pray for a big moment. We always say, hey, man,

1470
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: this can be the one. But when you start seeing

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01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: these media posts, because I know what he can do,

1472
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: because that's that's what happened to me on think like

1473
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: a man in the first movie, because every p did

1474
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: you know, Dwayne Wade, you know Kevin Hard of course,

1475
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: all these people were just posted and left it right,

1476
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: and that we made thirty three million dollars. I'll open

1477
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: the weekend, so I know what happens when you when

1478
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: you push a brand, and this guy pushed so much

1479
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: in social media, and like you said, it's like you said,

1480
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: it's a leven million now viewers, now, okay, yeah, you

1481
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: know yeah the two point seven the first night, I

1482
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: calculated that if it was a theatrical eleast would have

1483
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: been forty three million dollars, which is amazing. But it

1484
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: feels I feel blessed, I feel humble. I feel I'm

1485
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: still processing it. Rashaun honestly, because Lebron James had Danna Box,

1486
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 1: Mariah carry Janet Jackson, and I'm really still Priscilla Share,

1487
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: Martha Manuzie and I'm still just like God, you know,

1488
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: thank you, Like I'm really just my heart is full

1489
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: and opportunities are opening up, and I'm very excited. It's about,

1490
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, just just being able to be in this place.

1491
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't think any of we thought that people would connect,

1492
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: but this means really connected with an audience. Absolutely, and

1493
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss. I know we're wrapping up, but I

1494
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about John Singleton. Uh, he was your

1495
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: mentor and uh and we all know, you know what

1496
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: he's done in this business and and uh, you know,

1497
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: when you start talking about black directors, male directors, you know,

1498
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: Spike Lee, John Singleton, you know, they broke the ground

1499
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: for us. They broke the ground for us and doing

1500
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: in different ways, doing it their way. So tell me

1501
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 1: how did you create a relationship with get your relationship started,

1502
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: and how did he impact who you are becoming and

1503
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: how he helped you along the way. I met John

1504
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: when we were both in college. Actually he was at

1505
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: USC and I was at U c l A. But

1506
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: he was at my Crosstown rival, and he was directing

1507
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: a music video actually and I was in the video.

1508
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: And that's how it is met. And after we both

1509
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: graduated and started affording our pass as filmmakers. He came

1510
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: to me and my former writing partner one day about

1511
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: a script called gold Diggs, and we ended up writing

1512
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: it together and selling it to Universal. It didn't get made,

1513
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: but during that process, the thing that I learned most

1514
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: from John is about craftsmanship. He would sit and watch

1515
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: movies with me and walk me through, frame by frame,

1516
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 1: what was going on in the film, what the filmmaker

1517
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: was doing, and taught me about about cinematic language. And

1518
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: I will always be grateful for him for that, because

1519
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: I think we have to be artists and we also

1520
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: have to be business people, which is part of what

1521
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: you talk about with money matters, um, But on the

1522
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: artist side, that really opened up my world to see

1523
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: that cinematic language and to try to take that into

1524
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: every project that I do. UM And he was a

1525
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: cinematic brilliant director, and I see the same thing in

1526
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: Chris seeing Swanson who directed The Card Sisters. You know,

1527
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: that's what makes the difference when we see a film

1528
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: like every frame is so beautifully shot and a part

1529
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: of telling the story, and that's what really motivates me

1530
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: to continue to be a storyteller. Like that Camille. You know,

1531
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: this is a one big moment. There's one big on

1532
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: your resume. What's what's what's next for you? What? What's what?

1533
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: What do we got looking in the future for you?

1534
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: I have an inspirational romantic comedy called Blessed in the City,

1535
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: which is based on my real life. And I would

1536
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: say it's the Woman of Faith version of Sex and

1537
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: the City. So in the City they were having a

1538
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: lot of sex, and in my movie they aren't having

1539
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 1: a lot of Right. It's about dating sexually, absinuently in dating,

1540
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: and seeking God in your relationships. I also have a

1541
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: project called The Kennedy's The Compton, which is a TV

1542
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: pilot and it's about a black political family in Conston, California. Him. Wow, Well,

1543
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a fan, and you know I

1544
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: direct I direct message you and say hey, will you

1545
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: do my show? And you said, Reshan, They've already contacted me,

1546
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: so made me look bad. I thought about the you know,

1547
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: slide on it, act like I'm doing some big dogg is,

1548
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: you know not, They've already contacted I'm gonna do the show.

1549
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: What I'm a fan and and know that anything you

1550
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 1: do Blessed in the city. Come out. Please know you

1551
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: can come here first or something other project that you're doing.

1552
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: But thank you, congratulations. This is a fantastic movie I've

1553
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: been putting. I put a banner in my fan club,

1554
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: went out to ninety thousand people last weekend. I like

1555
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: to believe I'm contributing to those millions that are watching

1556
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: it social media posted uh on my other platforms other

1557
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: than LinkedIn, So cam here, I'm doing my part. I'm

1558
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: doing my part. I might not be jan I might

1559
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: not be Tyler Perry, I might not be able, I

1560
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: might not be I'm just ra Sean McDonald and moneymaking conversations. Girl,

1561
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: bless you, bless you, bless you so much. You're a

1562
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: dynamic man and a great role model and friend. I

1563
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you, and come on, come on that

1564
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: girl right there. You know. So it's really nice that

1565
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: when I when I when you, when I look at

1566
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: my life and I feel you you're part of my life.

1567
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: And I look at people like sharing and so many

1568
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: other people who shaped me and and have supported me.

1569
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: And because all my people look at my life, they

1570
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: look at the outside of my life. They don't look

1571
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: at how got there. The down moments in my life

1572
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: and people like sharing McGee's of the World, the Felicia

1573
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: Henderson's of the World, Sarah f Anny Johnson to the world.

1574
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: These people have always been there from a female side

1575
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: that have always I couldn't believe how talented I was,

1576
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: and couldn't believe how crazy I was. But when it

1577
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: when going, when all the craziness was taken over and

1578
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: I need to support, they were there for me. So

1579
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: I consider that relationship I'm gonna have with you. Came here,

1580
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: You're now one of my sisters. Okay, thank you, thank

1581
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: you so much for the inner view, my friend. Okay,

1582
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: what grows in the forest trees? Sure no? What else

1583
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: grows in the forest, Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

1584
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: and our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect

1585
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

1586
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

1587
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: near you and start exploring. I discover the Forest dot Org,

1588
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: brought to you by the United States Forest Service and

1589
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: the AD Council. What grows in the forest, trees, sure no?

1590
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: What else grows in the forest, our imagination, our sense

1591
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: of wonder, and our family bonds grow too, because when

1592
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:51,520
Speaker 1: we disconnect from this and connect with this, we reconnect

1593
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: with each other. The forest is closer than you think.

1594
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring. I discover

1595
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: the forest dot Org, brought to by the United States

1596
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: Fourth Service and the ad Council. And we're live here

1597
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: outside the Perez family home, just waiting for the And

1598
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: there they go, almost on time. This morning. Mom is

1599
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 1: coming out the front door, strong with a double arm

1600
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: kid carry. Looks like Dad has the bags. Daughter is

1601
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper bag wasn't closed.

1602
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but mom has just

1603
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: nailed the perfect car seat buckle for the toddler. And

1604
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: now the eldest daughter, who looks to be about nine

1605
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 1: or ten, has secured herself in the booster seat. Dad

1606
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: zips the bad clothes and they're off. Ah, but looks

1607
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is still on

1608
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: the roof of the car and there it goes. Ah.

1609
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: That's a shame that mug was a fan favorite. Don't

1610
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: sweat the small stuff, just nailed the big stuff, like

1611
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: making sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right

1612
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: seat for their Agent's Eyes. Learn more n h t

1613
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: s A dot gov, slash the Right Seat, visits h

1614
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: s A dot God and the ad Council. Our next

1615
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: guest is a mental health advocate and the founder of

1616
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame, is a nonprofit organization that focuses on

1617
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: education and awareness around mental health. Before she found it

1618
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame, she worked in the entertainment business for

1619
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: over twenty five years, where she worked directly with some

1620
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: of the music business top talent like Outcast, Ussher, Prince, TLC,

1621
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, Erica Barney and excuse Me, Erica Bardou and

1622
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: many more. She has no show today to talk about

1623
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 1: and share her journey with her own emotional health and

1624
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: wellness that she wants to help change the world and

1625
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: make it make it, make people understand the struggle with

1626
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: something that we all can help and make this global

1627
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: movement something that everybody should have been be a part of.

1628
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: Please work on the money making conversations. The founder of

1629
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Silence the Shame Shanty Dos Hello, Sean, how you know

1630
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: miss Dos dos Effects? And she said Effects, Well, you

1631
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: got that the cool name though, you know people are

1632
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: a little rapper name, little rapper name. I go, they're

1633
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: wrapping up the game and mental health and mental health advocate,

1634
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, thank you for coming on

1635
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: the show. And now when this when this interview was

1636
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: brought to me, um, because I felt it was important

1637
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: that I made time and got it into my schedule,

1638
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: because I had to move some things around. Because within

1639
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: the black community, though the community of color, you know,

1640
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: we always the last to admit. Were we last admit

1641
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: That's why we always pop up on HIV, were always

1642
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: popped up on poverty, were always right Now with the pandemic,

1643
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: we're losing lives faster, and the color community and anyway,

1644
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: because we in the gay community, we want to acknowledge that.

1645
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: And so especially when you talk about mental health, that's

1646
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: another leg of the information length pipeline that we want

1647
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: to like ignore that it's important that we accept and

1648
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 1: get it to the responsibility of that. Tell us about

1649
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: your journey. This is a long interview, but I want

1650
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: you just start telling us about the journey where you

1651
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: had to open up and and and and about your head.

1652
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:10,600
Speaker 1: It's it's depression, right, yes, yes, yeah, talk about that.

1653
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: So so Rashan, first of all, thank you for having

1654
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: me on the show. And and what you're saying is

1655
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,799
Speaker 1: it's a hundred percent right. Oftentimes in the African American community,

1656
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: were the last one to talk about it. We don't

1657
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: address it. Before I share a little bit about my journey,

1658
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you a quick statistic. African Americans are

1659
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: more likely to have more serious psychological distress and white adults,

1660
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: and our African American teenagers are more likely to attempt

1661
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: suicide than white teenagers at eight point three percent versus

1662
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: six point two percent. So, Rashwan, I grew up, you know,

1663
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: in African American culture. Obviously, my mom's black. My dad

1664
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: was actually Indian, but he took his own life when

1665
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: we were when I was seven months old, and so

1666
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: he left my mom and my two siblings and I.

1667
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: We never went to council and we didn't talk about

1668
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: it as a family. The fast forward, I have this

1669
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: great career year in music, but I had all this

1670
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: trauma built up from my childhood that I had never addressed.

1671
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: So when I started dealing with my own high levels

1672
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: of stress and anxiety, it then turned into depression and

1673
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I finally went to counseling in my thirties to try

1674
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: to deal with this UM. But I did not stick

1675
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: with counseling one because I don't know working in the

1676
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: music industry, I thought if I was shaping the careers

1677
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: of all this artists, I didn't meant nobody to fix me, right,

1678
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: I could do it myself. It was my ego. But

1679
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: but that was wrong, and I wish I would have

1680
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: done counseling UM more consistently back in the day. And

1681
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: so fast forward to uh the year teen, my best

1682
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: friend took her own life and I blamed myself for

1683
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: her suicide. And then in two Rashawn I came really

1684
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: close to taking my own life. I had just kind

1685
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: of gone into a downward spiral. My mother had Alzheimer's,

1686
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I had some health issues, I had some financial struggles

1687
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I was going through, and it just kind of all

1688
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: came to a head. And that's why I started silence

1689
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: a shame, so that I could one get my own

1690
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: help and help other people, UM to really focus on

1691
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: their mental health. What exactly is depression? I guess that's

1692
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: the courtion. I need that because that a lot of

1693
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: us to understand if we if we have some of

1694
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: the qualities that we should be aware of. So in

1695
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: terms of some of the symptoms of depression, you know,

1696
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: I like to say, um that it really depends on

1697
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: your overall behavioral patterns. That's why oftentimes you hear people

1698
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: refer to it as behavioral health as opposed to mental health. Now,

1699
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: some of the symptoms can be feeling sad or having

1700
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: a depressed mood, loss of interest or pleasure in activities

1701
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: that you once enjoy, um, changing appetite, weight loss or

1702
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: gain unrelated to dieting where you can't really put your

1703
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: finger on while you're losing so much weight. UM, if

1704
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: you're having too much trouble sleeping at night, if you're

1705
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: feeling worthless or guilty. Because like for me, Rashawn, I

1706
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, maybe God was done with me.

1707
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you know, everything that I needed to

1708
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: do on this earth was done. So I had prolonged

1709
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: feelings of hopelessness. Um, I didn't really want to hang

1710
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 1: out with friends anymore. I didn't even want to wake

1711
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: up honestly and open the blinds in the morning. And

1712
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: I also started using, um, you know, alcohol sometimes as

1713
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: a coping mechanism, which we know is a natural depressant.

1714
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: And so some of those social drinks you know, started

1715
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 1: making me feel even more depressed. And so I just

1716
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: did not have any healthy coping mechanisms. And of course

1717
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: stops of suicide or death is an obvious sign of depression. Well,

1718
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: you know the thing about it is that let's let's

1719
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: talk about your journey, because see, sometimes when we just

1720
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: on a mission and our goals or just to get

1721
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to a certain place, because you went from an intern

1722
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: to executive VP, and including positions at Capital Records, the

1723
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: Face Records, Columbia Records, Sony Urban Music, and Universal Motil.

1724
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: So these are not these are these These are what

1725
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: they're called top of the food chain opportunities and so

1726
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 1: and so when you when you're grinding, you can't ignore

1727
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: you can't ignore symptoms because you said, I'm on a mission.

1728
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Let me just that's not important to me right now.

1729
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: So when did start being important to you to understand

1730
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: what was going on in your personal life? Because I'm

1731
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: sure these depression or anxiety symptoms as affected your relationship

1732
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: not only personally but business right as well eventually? Right?

1733
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: Oh sure, So I think the first time Rashaun, that

1734
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I probably recognized that I might have um an issue

1735
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: going on personally was in two thousand one. It was

1736
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: when um Face Records, baby Face in l A sold

1737
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: the company UM to b MG, and so l A

1738
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: read moved to New York to replace Clive Day. That's

1739
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: an ares the records, and so I was in more

1740
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: of a corporate setting. It was a high stressed environment.

1741
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: You know how it is when one regime comes and

1742
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: there's another regime, uncertainty, a little uncertainty and friction, and

1743
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to dock for their position. So you know,

1744
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to run to l A with all

1745
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: my problems and issues, but I didn't have an outlet,

1746
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: and I didn't even recognize that I could have reached

1747
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: out to HR to find you know, UM any sort

1748
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: of resources um from a therapy perspective. And so I

1749
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: remember one day I was so frustrated and I was

1750
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: on the phone with my sister and my boyfriend and

1751
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I can't really take this pressure anymore.

1752
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how to handle it. Maybe I should

1753
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: just kill myself. That scared me to death, Rashawn, because

1754
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, I did not have a plan at that time,

1755
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: but the fact that I even uttered those words, and

1756
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: it was something that my dad had actually done. It

1757
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 1: really terrified me, and my sister was like, well, first

1758
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: of all, we're gonna get through this, even she got

1759
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: something down down, We're gonna deal with this. But second

1760
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: of all, you gotta go to therapy. When shortly there

1761
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: after Rashawn I went to therapy and addressed the issue

1762
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: of my father's suicide because I never wanted to even

1763
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: utter those words. So I think that was probably the

1764
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: first time in my early thirties when I started addressing

1765
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: emotional health and wellness in the right way. We're speaking

1766
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: to Shunti doss uh. I would say her name is

1767
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: like a rapper, you know, but she's an advocate of

1768
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 1: mental health and she's also the founder of Sounds to Shame.

1769
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: You know. Really, when I look at my life, I've

1770
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: I've always had a pretty intense life, Shanti and so,

1771
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: and sometimes it feels like the whole world's on me.

1772
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I have a I have. What has saved me is

1773
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 1: that on my property in Atlanta, have a little lake

1774
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: where I can go down and I can just look

1775
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: at the world. I always told my wife the water. Yeah,

1776
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: the water saves me because just watching those ripples and

1777
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: I can see little minnots and fish and frogs jumping around.

1778
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 1: It calms me down and so so it also so

1779
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 1: that's that's an outlet that kind of saves me from

1780
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: just going to the next level, because, like you said,

1781
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: when people, when you reach a certain portion of certain

1782
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: point in your career, especially if your minority, and not

1783
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: many people you can go talk to you, and then

1784
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: there's not many people you want to show flaws or

1785
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 1: showing weaknesses too, so a lot of times you just

1786
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 1: keep it all on yourself. And so so you gotta

1787
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: have that outlet. And I'm just letting you know. My

1788
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: outlet for me that saved me was that water. It

1789
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: was going down there. I have a giant rock. I

1790
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,560
Speaker 1: potentially put that rockets and I want to put a

1791
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: big rock so I can sit on this rock whatever.

1792
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I sit down there, if I feel like fishing, it

1793
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: just saves me and calls me down. But that's one

1794
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: of the principles of being able to deal with anxiety,

1795
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:14,759
Speaker 1: being able to deal with depression mechanisms and and so

1796
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: so I so I naturally I'm not saying I'm a

1797
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 1: depressed person. I'm not saying that I have anxiety values

1798
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: or symptoms I'm just saying that we all get to

1799
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 1: that point where the world can jump on you. What

1800
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: do you go to escape or cope with it? So

1801
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 1: that's that's great. I'm glad you brought up water because

1802
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, psychiatrists and therapists have often talked about how

1803
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: water in the ocean or even a lake can just

1804
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: have a calming effect on your mind because it puts

1805
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: you in a just a really you know, mouth state

1806
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: of mind and kind of helps to recenter yourself for

1807
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: what we like to call those a healthy coping mechanisms

1808
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: or forms of self care. There are a lot of

1809
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: different things you can do in terms of self care.

1810
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: For me, it's like I would like to take a

1811
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: walk in the park. You know, I lost my sister

1812
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: unexpectedly last year, and so this week was her one

1813
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: year anniversary, and so I found myself kind of in

1814
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: a way feeling a little anxious. So I just got

1815
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: out of the house and went and took a you know,

1816
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: one hour walk in the park, and it just made

1817
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: me feel so much better. You know. I like the

1818
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 1: nature in the in the trees, and the wind was blowing,

1819
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: and it was just a great day for me to

1820
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: be out in nature. Other people like to exercise because

1821
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: it's been proven scientifically that when you get your endorphins going,

1822
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: it actually puts you in a better mood. You feel

1823
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: better about yourself. Also having you know, a proper diet,

1824
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: because oftentimes there are certain foods that we can eat

1825
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 1: UM that can weigh down on us UM and certain

1826
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: fatty foods that can cause us to become depressed depressed,

1827
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: So we recommend that you have a healthy diet UM. Also,

1828
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, taking naps, getting adequate sleep is extremely important

1829
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and that UM leads to overall health and wellness. So

1830
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot of different things. And I tell people

1831
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: like you like the Lake Rashwan, you gotta do what

1832
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: works for you because I like to go take a walk.

1833
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, you might not like the walk, but you

1834
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 1: would like to day Zoomba zoom zoomba peloton. Might want

1835
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: to you know, log on the club, quarantine whatever it is. Well,

1836
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you know the beauty of this conversation that we're going

1837
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: to continue in the next break, I'm trying talking to Shantidas,

1838
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,679
Speaker 1: you know, the founder of Silence to Shame. She's creating

1839
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: a global movie. We're gonna talk about big event that's

1840
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: coming up because May is National Mental Health Month, correct

1841
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: and awareness month, and then also she has a big

1842
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: guy just say a fundraiser. Uh that's happened in May fifth.

1843
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that the next break. But so

1844
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: great to have you on the show because the fact

1845
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: that you know a lot of things that are happening

1846
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: to people or is very relatable, and we're want to

1847
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: talk about some more instances about me personally talking about

1848
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: certain things I get in crisis situations and how I

1849
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: deal with it. May is Mental Health Awareness Month and

1850
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 1: National Silence the same day is Tuesday, May fifth. That day,

1851
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: Silence of Shame will be hosting the Big Texa Thon.

1852
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Why that's important that this Big Texa Thon is happening.

1853
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: I know about the awareness, but what what what what

1854
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: is being accomplished with the Big Texathon. So we're really

1855
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: excited about the texason UM. It allows the Silence of

1856
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Shame to raise funds for UM an increase in our programs,

1857
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 1: resources and scholarship funds that we're putting together. And we

1858
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: are also planning to donate a portion of the proceeds

1859
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 1: Rashaan to some UH therapists so that they can provide

1860
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: free therapy during the pandemic for some of their clients,

1861
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: and that's been a Ruben noticing a lot a lot

1862
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: of more mental health experts have been coming on national

1863
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: platforms and local platforms because it's a it's a it's

1864
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: a stress that it's not normal for everybody I know

1865
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: at times that and I'm a guy who's going oriented

1866
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: and not sitting around the house and go what I'm

1867
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: gonna do? And I've I've had to include I've had

1868
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: to include exercise in my life. I had to include

1869
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: a put more of a routine. I have to develop

1870
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: at home routine to be able to get me through

1871
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 1: the uh, just walking around my yard, h listening to

1872
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 1: music more. These are the things that have like calmed

1873
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: me down. I think that's what we're talking about, calming

1874
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 1: your your inner being down, your emotions down so it

1875
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: doesn't go spike. And that's what I've been trying to avoid.

1876
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: It's just usually natural process. But a lot of people

1877
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 1: don't don't have these techniques worked out like I've worked

1878
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: out myself. How can they is there is there is

1879
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: there a website they can go to that you guys

1880
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: have found It was talked to us about those those

1881
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 1: different techniques. So you know, there are a lot of

1882
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: really great resources out there. We um if you go

1883
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: onto Silence to Shame dot com and go under how

1884
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: to get help or resources. We have organizations that we

1885
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: partner with, like NAMI, which is the National Alliance on

1886
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Mental Illness. They have a lot of great resources out there,

1887
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: also psychology, Psychology Today, dot com. I'm also reading an

1888
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: article on hufbling composts and I just google water and

1889
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 1: the effects of calming and if it's wild water makes

1890
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Speaker 1: us feel calm. You know, scientists have really studied showing

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Speaker 1: that people who live near the ocean or water report

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Speaker 1: feeling less stressed and better health. Um, it's still a mystery,

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Speaker 1: I think to psychologists, but we do know that the

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Speaker 1: water has common effects, and so you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: ton of organizations that can offer different wellness resources. So

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Speaker 1: you know, like I said, go onto our website and

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Speaker 1: check it out. Well, I will go on your website

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Speaker 1: because I can never I can always be educated. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, I've just been naturally doing something that And

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Speaker 1: I bought the house that I live in intentionally because

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Speaker 1: it did have water behind the house, and and it

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01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 1: was it was moving water, because the water doesn't just

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Speaker 1: just stay there. So it really is a lot of

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Speaker 1: little things that naturally translate into calming me down. And

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Speaker 1: when you're looking at when when you're in a business

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Speaker 1: and I'm an African American male and I'm in a

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Speaker 1: business where you know, deals are big representing talent, and

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: that's what you were in. You were in you know,

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01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 1: you know Capital Records, the Face Records, Columbia Records. You

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01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 1: know where an album can get everybody exciting and the

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01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: and the poor sales of an album or talent can

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Speaker 1: leave or calm, or talent can have attitude, the talent

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Speaker 1: can get sick on the tour. It's so many variables

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01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: that are not normal to everyday life. You know. The

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Speaker 1: cool thing about being an entrepreneur, that's what we're talking

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01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 1: about entrepreneurs on this show, is that you just you

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01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: wake up, but you don't know if a customer's gonna

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Speaker 1: show up. You don't know if the oven that you're

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01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,799
Speaker 1: gonna be baking it's gonna work. We don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: The circumstances are as laid out, and that's creates stress.

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Speaker 1: Now that stress can lead into anxiety, which can lead

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Speaker 1: into depression. And so right now when you hear me

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Speaker 1: talk MS Doss, you know, I feel like I'm in control.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I'm in control, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm in control. Where does a person like me

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Speaker 1: get out of control or need a need counseling or

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Speaker 1: what are the true signs of a person like me

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01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit earlier, but now that

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Speaker 1: you're hearing me talk a guy who's supposed to have

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Speaker 1: his act together but still maybe therapy. So you know, again,

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Speaker 1: I think it varies from person to person. UM. What

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Speaker 1: I will say is, because we all have been quarantining

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Speaker 1: this quarantine and dealing with this pandemic, I think we've

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Speaker 1: seen a heightened level or sense of anxiety. UM. I

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Speaker 1: think when you start feeling like you're you feel like

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Speaker 1: there's some impeding danger or your panicking or oftentimes we've

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01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: seen UM heart attacks UM be mimicks as panic attacks

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01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: or vice versa. UM. So if you're sweating a lot,

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01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: if you're trembling, if you're feeling tired or weak, or

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Speaker 1: if you're having trouble concentrating and you're constantly worrying, that

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01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 1: might be time to actually talk to someone and consider

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Speaker 1: seeing a therapist. What I tell people, you know, therapy

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Speaker 1: isn't just when something is wrong. You know, I like

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01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: to look at therapy as a wellness tool. I know

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Speaker 1: people that have you know, just like they talked to

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01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, high high net worth individuals like yourself, or

1947
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 1: people that work in high pressure job. You know, you

1948
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: have your account, you have your boy, you have your right.

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01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, why not why not couple your therapist therapists

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01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: right and bring them into that, you know, group of

1951
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: individuals that kind of make you flow from from a

1952
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 1: day to day perspective. It's like, you need to make

1953
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Speaker 1: sure that you're utilizing therapy um when something isn't just

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01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: always wrong, because it's good to talk to us on

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Speaker 1: one um from an objective perspective. And I tell people,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you might have to be It's like Dayton,

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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta keep trying to therapist for you

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01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: because I've heard people say, oh, I was therapy wants.

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01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: It didn't work for me. But that doesn't mean you

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01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: have to stop. Right. That's just like your primary health

1961
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Speaker 1: care position and the doctor you don't like, well, you're

1962
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna find another good one because you want to again

1963
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: make sure you have healthy coping mechanisms to get throughout

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Speaker 1: your day. Well, you know, I love the passion in

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Speaker 1: your voice. I love the energy and your voice. I'll

1966
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: read your bio. And you're being recognized globally about your

1967
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Speaker 1: efforts with silence to shame, which is really important because

1968
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Speaker 1: this is when you take a passion because you was

1969
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Speaker 1: headed down one direction five years. That's right making start us,

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Speaker 1: you know, selling records, making videos and then know what

1971
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Speaker 1: I'm this is what I and I look at pictures too.

1972
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: I look at pictures, I look at the interviews. I

1973
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: it feels like because you're doing this for you and

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01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: you're making a difference because it's you. You know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people always talk about you know, when I

1976
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Speaker 1: managed Steve Harvey and I stopped managing and start doing

1977
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Speaker 1: my own thing, that was a transition, was a difficult

1978
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: transition for me. But I'm doing for Rashan McDonald now

1979
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Speaker 1: and money making conversations for Rashan McDonald. What I the

1980
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: values that I want to promote, the values that I

1981
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: want to put out there, you know, And so that's

1982
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Speaker 1: what I hear in your voice. I mean the articulation,

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Speaker 1: the confidence. You know something that you couldn't talk about,

1984
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: something you really didn't understand. You're an expert in it,

1985
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Speaker 1: and you want everybody to understand that there is a

1986
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: reason you should act this way and you should not

1987
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Speaker 1: not be ashamed the kids be ashamed if you're feeling

1988
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Speaker 1: acting different for what they call normal situations when stressed

1989
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: and xiety falls upon your plate. Because I want to

1990
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: go to this new Instagram live show that you're doing

1991
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 1: during this pandemic period. It's called Yeah well is checking in? Well?

1992
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,520
Speaker 1: You interview celebrities, tell us about that. You know, that's transition.

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Speaker 1: I was just transitioning, that's all you know. Of course,

1994
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: I think when the quarantine first happened, like everybody else,

1995
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: I was nervous about, you know, will the foundation be

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Speaker 1: able to continue to get fun? You know what am

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Speaker 1: I gonna do? Because I was doing a lot of

1998
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Speaker 1: page speaking dates, going to company, sharing my story around well,

1999
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: and of course all that got canceled. So you know, God,

2000
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Speaker 1: I just sat steel one morning and God was like,

2001
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Speaker 1: you can still be a service to others and the

2002
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: money will come. Don't worry about that. No, I just

2003
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 1: woke up one morning and sat feel and allowed God

2004
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: to speak to me, and I was like, yeah, you know,

2005
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: it's all about well this. I was like, yeah, well this.

2006
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: So I was doing my old brains on this session

2007
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 1: and I came up with the name, and then I

2008
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: got the i G Live handle and you know, form

2009
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: the company, and I started texting my friends. I texted

2010
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: Charlotta Bagne, who's the radio you know, well known radio hosting,

2011
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 1: So Charlemagne, he was my first guest. He was like,

2012
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 1: of course, I'll do it. Then I texted one of

2013
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 1: my close friends after, Titia Campbell. She agreed to do it.

2014
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: She's been on the show. I've had d nights. I've

2015
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 1: had Karen Sivil, I've had the singer a stale Um,

2016
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I've had informer NBA player t N t Um, commentator

2017
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Speaker 1: Chris Weber, Erica Campbell from Mary Mary. I mean, the

2018
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 1: list goes on because everybody at this time, you know,

2019
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: feels like you know right or wrong. Mental health is

2020
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: just after, you know, the forefront of everything, you know,

2021
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: not necessarily right or wrong, but you know, I think

2022
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 1: people are feeling anxious during this time, and to be

2023
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:44,640
Speaker 1: able to check in with some of these celebrities, you know,

2024
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 1: to show everyday people like, look, we all are going

2025
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 1: through this. You know, it's not just you don't think

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01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: something is wrong with you, and and there's help out

2027
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 1: there if you need it, and it's nothing to be

2028
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Speaker 1: embarrassed about. So being able to start this year well

2029
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: on this platform, I think has been a real blessing, um,

2030
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: just to show everybody that guess what, at the end

2031
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 1: of the day, we're all humans. We all may experience this,

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01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: but at the same time, help is available. We don't

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01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 1: have to live in the valley, right. We go through

2034
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 1: so much trials and tribulations in our lives, but we

2035
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: may have ups and downs and turns it out and

2036
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: motion that our mental health. But help is available. And

2037
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 1: that is the one thing that we're trying to do

2038
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 1: with silence and shame is to let people know that

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01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: if you need help, you can get it. Wow, it

2040
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 1: really is important. It's really interesting when you when you

2041
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: start a platform and you can call on people, important

2042
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: people and they respond, that's important. But then hearing your conversation,

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01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,600
Speaker 1: something came out of out of that conversation to me,

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01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: that was really important. Sometimes we we use work or

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01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 1: busy to hide anxiety or to hide depression, and and

2046
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: and then when you hide it, it pops up someplace else.

2047
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: Can pop up in the relationship, sudden anger it can

2048
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,679
Speaker 1: pop up, and parenting, screaming at your kids, abusing your kids.

2049
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, in abuse can be a different way just

2050
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: striking your kid or punch your kid unnecessarily. There are

2051
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: different ways of abus. Doesn't have to be just pounding

2052
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: on your kid to abuse your kid, or abuse your mate.

2053
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: And so so we can mass so. So when I

2054
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 1: was hearing you talk, I was like, man, you know,

2055
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: because you can just be busy, busy, busy, but really

2056
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 1: have a problem. Would just being busy and you and

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01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,280
Speaker 1: you and yeah, and I call that a high functioning

2058
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Speaker 1: person dealing with depression. Yeah, you know, really I'm just

2059
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: popping out. I was just living this little crazy life.

2060
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:32,639
Speaker 1: I'm at the lake, just calming myself down. You said,

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01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 1: that's coping. You know, Hi, Hi function in person all

2062
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 1: these things I didn't. Depression, because you're a Depression can

2063
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: come at you at different waves. You know, when you

2064
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: don't get a deal or something important happens to you,

2065
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: how do you recover from that? You know, have you

2066
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: plan to tell people? Shawn not to cut you off

2067
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: on sorry, but but to what's you're thing? Is so

2068
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: important because I want people to know that sometimes we

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01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 1: can be really really sad, but that doesn't mean that

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01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:59,839
Speaker 1: we're depressed. Right, So you gotta like take a serious

2071
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: look at it because I don't want people to think

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01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: and the takeaway from the video is that you know,

2073
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: we're all depressed, but I would tell people we all

2074
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: go through sadness, that experience anxiousness, but it doesn't mean

2075
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 1: that we're depressed. But if that those feelings and those

2076
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 1: thoughts really prolonged, and then your family or your colleagues

2077
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: or people around you start seeing a pattern and saying,

2078
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, man, what's up with you know, uh Keisha?

2079
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 1: Or what's up with Rudy? Like you don't really seem

2080
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 1: like himself? Like you have got to then say, okay,

2081
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 1: you know what, something is not quite right, And you

2082
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: gotta be willing to listen to people that's giving you

2083
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: that the people that love you, that's giving you that feedback,

2084
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 1: because oftentimes, you know, I was that person I felt like,

2085
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: oh I ain't not wrong me. I don't need to

2086
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 1: talk to nobody. But you see the pattern changing and

2087
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 1: you recognize these signs. That's why we want to educate

2088
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: people on what the signs and symptoms are because if

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01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: you see something different and you're going down the wrong path,

2090
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: you got your help absolutely. You know, May is Mental

2091
01:52:56,479 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 1: health or Mental health Awareness Month and national sounds to say.

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01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: Same day is Tuesday, May fifth. That day, Silence to

2093
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: Shame will be hosting the Big Texa thon. Tell us

2094
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,880
Speaker 1: about that and how we can participate. I know I

2095
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 1: have a banner right now has the word shame struck out.

2096
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: Talk to us about it and UH and so we

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01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 1: can I know I'll be putting that banner on my

2098
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 1: social media. I'll be putting that banner in my newsletter

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Speaker 1: that goes out to many thousand and to go out

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