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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Renee Substenas Podcast. You guys have been

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Speaker 1: begging us to come back with the pod. Unfortunately we are.

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Speaker 1: I am in the US in New York, and my

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Speaker 1: glorious friend Andrea Pekovich is in her home. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: in the background in Dumbstad in Germany, and we just

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Speaker 1: got finished watching the men's final. Oh my god, Okay,

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Speaker 1: should we talk about the men first and then get

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Speaker 1: into the women's because the women's tournament was amazing, but

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Speaker 1: let's while it's fresh on our lips and minds, let's

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Speaker 1: get started with the men's final. FAA and Andrea Rublev,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: My friend, I was so bored and I feel so

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Speaker 2: bad for them. I kept texting you, like, my god,

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Speaker 2: let this be over. And I really feel bad for

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Speaker 2: them because it's not entirely their fault. I just watched

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Speaker 2: yesterday's women's final from first point to last. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: just want to say right off the bat that at

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Speaker 2: to all in the first set, I send you a message.

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Speaker 2: To all in the first set, I sent you a

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Speaker 2: message yesterday saying like, this is the most incredible tennis

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Speaker 2: three hours like that. So that was incredible. But okay,

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Speaker 2: let's stick with the man. I'm staying disciplined. So I

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Speaker 2: have to say I called the match between rube Lev

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Speaker 2: thought that he could. I don't want to say I

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Speaker 2: because honestly, I haven't seen him play this well this

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Speaker 2: of the season that he played. And yes, al Karaz

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Speaker 2: was having problems with his forearm, but still Andre served

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Speaker 2: He was winning way over eighty percent first serf points,

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Speaker 2: glad that he won. And I've heard, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've heard it, I've heard he had the flu.

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Speaker 2: So if he had to retire today and or Felix

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Speaker 2: any And what are your thoughts on that that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously he got the default over Sinner

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Speaker 1: But in the end Oj has been looked like he

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Speaker 3: All the things.

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder sometimes Peco with with faa.

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Speaker 3: I just I've said this for years and I still

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Speaker 1: He's so uptight, he's so rich when he's on the court,

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Speaker 1: this guy got defaulted out of a match and he

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Speaker 3: But the bottom line is it didn't look good.

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Speaker 1: He got defaulted, and I think from that moment, clearly

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Speaker 3: Not exploding when he maybe would.

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Speaker 3: But come on, you can't double fault.

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Speaker 2: Especially he didn't say a match in five days. He

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Speaker 2: and Lehchka had to retire. He didn't play. It's exactly

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Speaker 2: what you say. I'm not giving him any reproaches. It's

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Speaker 2: But it's too much. He's rich rubin man.

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Speaker 3: But also I mean let's give him some credit.

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Speaker 1: He beat tathpar Rude, Yes right, I mean that was

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Speaker 1: It helps big servers, it helps players that play with

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Speaker 3: That they closed the roof.

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Speaker 1: And we know how well FAA plays indoors. It's where

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Speaker 3: He's the greatest guy. He's so nice.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he's back. You know, I think you'll be

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I want to say, I think

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Speaker 2: he's a great player. He's a specimen of an athlete.

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Speaker 2: He does everything right. It's just that he is he wants.

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Speaker 2: I think he's more concerned but doing everything right that

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Speaker 2: why I think he gets me, you know, gets me

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Speaker 1: I think, No, I agree, And you know what did

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Speaker 2: Why, and that's why he does play well in indoor

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Speaker 2: But honestly, to come back to Andre Rublev, I agree

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Speaker 2: He had a few instances already where he kind of

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Speaker 2: Slams because he definitely deserves to go further than a

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: Going to say, let's hope that you know, it steals

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Speaker 3: It's beneficial I will get the rewards that are deserved.

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Speaker 3: It was great. We got to just touch on Rafa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Madrid never been even though I think he's

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Speaker 3: So so anyway, it was great to see him back.

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Speaker 1: Were you doing that match? Because I was putin Saber

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Speaker 3: And books she hit this.

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Speaker 1: Great angle, the most amazing angle off of that drop shot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 1: And then we saw the Yulia that we all know,

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Speaker 2: Well, Rebeckena actually hit an a so it was five

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Speaker 2: Yes exactly.

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Speaker 3: Serve and volleys.

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Speaker 1: I wrote down I love how much she likes to

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Speaker 3: She played.

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Speaker 1: Sablenka played so good after that myth and like crushed

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Speaker 1: even if she lost that match, she would have been

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Speaker 3: They're both a credit to us for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Rebecca, and I have to say she

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Speaker 2: It just didn't quite work out against the Balenka and

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Speaker 2: back in in the third. Maybe she gets tight. I

436
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Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I don't know what's going on.

437
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: But a bunch of times she was up a set

438
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 2: and a break and it goes to a third, a

439
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: set and a break and goes to It was the

440
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: same against Zakary, It was the same against I don't

441
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: know who did she Garcia? I think so every time

442
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: she goes up a set and a break, you think

443
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: this is a two and three match, and then it

444
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: goes to the third. But then she still wins the

445
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Speaker 2: third set. And then stood Got the same thing happened

446
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: over and over again. So I don't know. Sometimes she

447
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: just kind of loses that focus when she can, when

448
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: she can finish it off into maybe she gets bored

449
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 2: and she wants a little drama and spice of her life.

450
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll see.

451
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think with the both of these two,

452
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: it's such a herollicoast arrived with Sabalanca and rebark In

453
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: it like both of them are so like can be

454
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Speaker 1: so good, and then they can miss a few things.

455
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Speaker 1: With Rebarkina, for example, the forehand gets a little tight,

456
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Speaker 1: there's no question about. But the biggest issue is she

457
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Speaker 1: really has a hard time hitting the forehand down the

458
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Speaker 1: line under pressure.

459
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Speaker 3: She had a couple of.

460
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Speaker 1: Opportunities, you know, on big points that she'd have the

461
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Speaker 1: opening down the line and she'd miss that forehand, or

462
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Speaker 1: she'd go back across court and then they get.

463
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Speaker 3: It back into the rally and all.

464
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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of technical things with the rebark

465
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Speaker 1: in her that I would work on if her and

466
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Speaker 1: she's got I would I would drill her five thousand forehands.

467
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: And you can only hit the can down the line

468
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Speaker 1: like just over and over, and what happens is you're

469
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Speaker 1: you start to change the swing pattern, knowing what you

470
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Speaker 1: have to do to make that shot, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: And it could be like.

472
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Speaker 1: Lee Nah always kind of tended to go forehand cross

473
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Speaker 1: court because of the way that she took her backswing back,

474
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Speaker 1: and Rebarkin is a little bit similar. So I would

475
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Speaker 1: be just focusing literally on hitting the foehand down the

476
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Speaker 1: line only in.

477
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Speaker 3: Practice all day until the cows come home.

478
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Speaker 1: Until she goes into a match and it's you know,

479
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: five or thirty all on her serve and someone hits

480
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Speaker 1: a cross court and she has the whole line open,

481
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Speaker 1: and she feels like she shouldn't just go.

482
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Speaker 3: Bang, and that's what Sabolenka does.

483
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Speaker 1: Sabalenka goes wid would deserve and goes bang with the

484
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Speaker 1: forehand down the line, and it's over.

485
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Speaker 3: Same with Eager.

486
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Speaker 1: Eager struggles with that four hand down the line a

487
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: little bit too, but she's gotten really good at it

488
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Speaker 1: as well.

489
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Speaker 3: So there are small little things that I think.

490
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Speaker 1: Rebarkina can get better at under pressure, and that's one

491
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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 3: But also before we get to.

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Speaker 1: Sablenka then getting to the final playing Eager, I want

494
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Speaker 1: to discuss Coco and Madison Keys and Maddie in particular,

495
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Speaker 1: had a great tournament, and I'm going to give her

496
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Speaker 1: so many props because we're hard on Maddie. We're hard

497
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Speaker 1: on her a couple of weeks ago, you know, because

498
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Speaker 1: she just like, oh my god, some of the choices

499
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Speaker 1: are shot. She chooses under pressure. But I'm going to

500
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Speaker 1: give Maddie a lot of credit.

501
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: This week.

502
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Speaker 1: She hung in there and some really big matches where

503
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: she was getting she was getting beaten. Like. But I

504
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Speaker 1: want to discuss Coco because we've talked about this. Everyone

505
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: talks about the forehand, what the fuck pet go again?

506
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: The serve is killing her. She is double faulting outrageously

507
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: on clay, and that is a no no. What is

508
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: going to happen when she goes on a hardcourt where

509
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: the serve really you know, the second serve on clay,

510
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: When you hit a shitty second serve.

511
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Speaker 3: It's not going to kill you that much.

512
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she is double faulting, like in double digits,

513
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: and that's why she lost the Madison mm hmm.

514
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing that I will say with Coco.

515
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: We talked about it plenty of times. We don't have

516
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: to get into the technical stuff. I have thoughts about

517
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: the baltass. I think she should get it a little

518
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: higher on the second serve and she's now you know,

519
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: she's crushing. She has so much more power on it

520
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: because she kind of brought it down to the front.

521
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 2: But I don't think she can get spin on. I mean,

522
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: we talked about it. I don't have to repeat myself.

523
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: I will say one thing that will maybe surprise you. Now,

524
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: I watched Coco against Marta Kostjok. From first point to last,

525
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Coco Gough is a fucking champion. I have never seen

526
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: a mental strength like this. She was playing shit, absolute

527
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: shit tennis. You can see she's not confident. Something's off

528
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: in her feel, she's not feeling her shots. She was

529
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: playing absolutely terrible tennis. And the moment it was, it

530
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: mattered the most. All of the sudden, she didn't miss

531
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: a forehand anymore. And I was with Jesse, my boyfriend,

532
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: and I looked at him and I was like, this

533
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: little girl. I mean, she's a teenager. She is the

534
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 2: biggest champion I have ever seen. You know, when you've

535
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: played tennis for so long, you know how it feels

536
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: when you have these few weeks, sometimes months in my case.

537
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: Years when you just don't feel your tennis. You have

538
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: every single tennis player, it can be Serena, it can

539
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: be me. We have these weeks where just things are

540
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: not clicking. You're you wanted too much, or you worked

541
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: on a few things that didn't pay off and now

542
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: you have to retract or whatever it is. But you

543
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: have sometimes weeks where you just don't feel your tennis.

544
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: You don't know how to win points, you don't know

545
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: what makes you strong. And this is where Coco is

546
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: at right now, in this moment. And I think she's

547
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: putting a lot of pressure on herself because everyone expects

548
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: her to do well on clay because that should be

549
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: technically her best surface. But the way this girl plays

550
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: when it matters most, I'm impressed. I wanted to talk

551
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: about this. That was my main talking point where you

552
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: wanted to talk last week after Stuttgat, but I got

553
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: so busy with somehow didn't manage. So I'm glad we're

554
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: doing it now.

555
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: So this is I want everybody to yes. I want

556
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: everyone to hear that, because when I bitch at me

557
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: on my it was me. I'm like, guys, don't blay me.

558
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: This is not about me. This is about my friends.

559
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely when you Caitlin, who's.

560
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: Busy, busy, busy, and you're busy, busy.

561
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: Busy, And as much as I like the sound of

562
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: my own voice and everybody knows it, I can think

563
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: of myself after five minutes. Okay, So you know we

564
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: need you.

565
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: But now you go into the you're much better with

566
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: the technique. But for me it's the bal toss. I

567
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 2: think they tinkered with the baal toss and now she

568
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: can't quite get that kick on it anymore. But you

569
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: are much better with technique. You should talk about that, listen.

570
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: I think the ball toss is one thing and there's

571
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: no question, and we've talked about this. How are you

572
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: going to hit a kickserve when your boll tos is

573
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: at one pm okay, which means it's in front of

574
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: you and to the right. It needs to be behind you.

575
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: It needs to be like you.

576
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: Know, it's above you, at least above you, yes, at.

577
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: Minimum above you. But there's a couple of things.

578
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: She falls who are left and drags her left side

579
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: of her body down every time she's hitting that serf,

580
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is the ball toss and

581
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: where it's positioned. I think her grip is completely fucked

582
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: up on her surf. I think she needs to get

583
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: more of a continental grip like every other great server.

584
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: And her elbow drops so low that when she so

585
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: if you imagine your elbow being so low and the

586
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: ball's low, so imagine trying to hit a kick serve.

587
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: It's impossible. So it's like, you've got to get the

588
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: elbow higher. I'm a big proponent on that. Everyone's heard

589
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: that from me through the years. If you don't have

590
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: a high ball, if you don't have a high elbow,

591
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: you are only going to hit the serf to the

592
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: middle of the court or to the forehand. And everyone

593
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: that's a professional or a coach sees that, so we

594
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: can all say, oh, well, it's going to go there

595
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: every time. But she's falling down. She's five eleven, five ten,

596
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: five eleven, and she's making herself like five foot So

597
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: there are servers that have been like that in the past.

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00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: It was something that.

599
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Genie Bouchard struggled with as well. She would fall to

600
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: her left. Was something that I worked on with her.

601
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: For example, It's like, make yourself tall, don't make yourself short,

602
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: and so there's.

603
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: A lot of things that need tinkering on the serve.

604
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the forehand is one thing, but on clay

605
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: it's not as big a deal, and we know that

606
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: she can hit the forehand.

607
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: In my issue is she.

608
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Is giving away twelve thirteen points a match, and particularly

609
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, like at five all. I mean

610
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I could go into many many games in the match

611
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: where it killed her with the double faults. But at

612
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: five all she double faulted to go down babes if

613
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: love thirty and then in the last game like she

614
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: double folded like three times I think it was, or

615
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: she double folded a match point. I mean, just so

616
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: many double faults on huge moments where you are not

617
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: allowing the best part of you to even get involved

618
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: in the point, which is your movement, your champion spirit,

619
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Speaker 1: your ability to be able to make the shots under pressure.

620
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: But if you're not starting the point and you're giving

621
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Speaker 3: the point away.

622
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: You can't use that those.

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Speaker 3: Any of that.

624
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: So you've got to figure out a way to get

625
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: your serve in the court, particularly on clay, and you've

626
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: got to change a lot of it.

627
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Speaker 2: Question are we talking yips territory or are we talking

628
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: temporary problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're talking yips because it's technically a breakdown.

630
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: That's her problem, right, So.

631
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Speaker 2: Billy, that's a good sign for her.

632
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Billy Jinking always says bad technique breaks down

633
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: under pressure.

634
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and she.

635
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Has bad technique on her serve, particularly the second serve

636
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: and the forehand to a degree, so under pressure, it's

637
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: going to break down. So I see it in her face,

638
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: and I love her so much and she's such a

639
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: great kid and such a great champion.

640
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: And all the stuff.

641
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: But I see her faith like just drop like I

642
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: can't get a serve in, and I'm thinking, oh my god, like,

643
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: because you've got to change the technique. And if she

644
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: changes the technique, everything's just going to flow for her

645
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: because she has everything else, but you got to get

646
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: the points started. And she's losing out on being able

647
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: to hit her one hundred and twenty mile an our

648
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: serve because she can't get it in the court.

649
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's the thing. But but but flip flips,

650
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: flip fight of that great effort, Maddie.

651
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, she's down against Matt Coco five three in

652
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: the first set, comes back, wins the first the set

653
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: eventually ends up winning the match. It was a very

654
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: very tight match. But then there's down a six love

655
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: who love to on Jibur and starts calming down. And

656
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: when Maddie Keys hits the ball in the court. There

657
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: is not many better tennis players than Maddie and it's

658
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: a matter of her just not panicking and not overplaying

659
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: and not going for the dumb shot.

660
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: And when she plays the right shot, she's so good.

661
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, she got crushed against Eger because Eager really,

662
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: I think eager really, what's the word exposed her movement

663
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: on clay and that's the difference maker. But you know,

664
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: IgA was crushing everybody until yeah, I mean she had

665
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: the bad first set against Hadaj Maya, then crushed everybody

666
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: after that.

667
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

668
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so I called the match between Maddie and

669
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: Ega and there just started badly kind of And that's

670
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: the problem. And see, so first of all, thank god

671
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: As is playing well again. She looks much better. She

672
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: looked much better in Madrid than she did the previous weeks.

673
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: Maybe she's gotten her body under control again. But yeah,

674
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, and Madrid should be like made for

675
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Madison Keys, right, this is the perfect tournament for her.

676
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: It was cold all two weeks long, so you can't

677
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: really get it out of her strike zone. Ega managed

678
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: to do so a little bit with those heavy topspins,

679
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: but generally speaking it was between twelve and sixteen degrees,

680
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: so it was really cold. In Madrid, they had the

681
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: roof closed most of the time. Maddie with that serf,

682
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: that was perfect conditions. And I will say it again

683
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: when I saw her at the I think Bijorn Fratangelo,

684
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: this is always spicy. When you're in a relationship privately

685
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: and the person is also your coach, it can be

686
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: It can be tough. Yes, it can be like a

687
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, a fire pit or how do you call

688
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: something that can explode, right, It can be that. But

689
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: he is doing some really great things with her tennis.

690
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: I saw it at the US Series. She played quarters

691
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: in Washington, and she was playing so much smarter from

692
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: defensive position. She was having more margin, she was aiming

693
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: through the middle and cross cord rather than going for

694
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: down the line, down the line shots. And then she

695
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: got injured and kind of retracted a little bit to

696
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: the old self. But I think now in Madrid you

697
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: saw again the work Bjorn has put in it, and

698
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: I think he's doing a really tremendous job with her,

699
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: and hopefully they can maintain the because they seem to

700
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: be doing really well and both on and off the court,

701
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: and hopefully they can maintain that really healthy relationship in

702
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: both regards so her tennis can continue to grow.

703
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not easy coaching your you know,

704
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: your fiance and you know or and or your wife

705
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: or husband when you're you know, that close, and it

706
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: is tough. But he's such a nice guy and Mattie's

707
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: such a nice girl, so it's like, you know, they're

708
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: managing it and it's not a challenging situation, right, you know,

709
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: not fighting over two people.

710
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: We're going to get into that at the very end

711
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: for everybody.

712
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: And if you didn't read Andrea's fantastic story in the Guardian,

713
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: you must, but don't read it if you haven't seen

714
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: the movie because it'll spoil it. Okay, So there, So

715
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: I want to give Maddie a lot of kudo's. Congrats

716
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: to her in a great week. But let's talk about

717
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: the final. Yeah, finally, liking hell, you did text me

718
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: at two all and go? This match is unbelievable already,

719
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and it was. It was like this drain open final

720
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: where from the first point to the last it was unreal.

721
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: And the match point even that Sableanca had, I mean,

722
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Ega played them so well, like just crush that back

723
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: end inside out, crush that forehand to the open court

724
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: like lock, are you kidding me?

725
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 3: It was so good. All right, give me your thoughts.

726
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to get into a lot of things.

727
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: Let's try and keep it to three or four points minimum, right,

728
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: because otherwise this will explode.

729
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 3: And I'm going to run out of time.

730
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: Number first two things. The first two points I'm going

731
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: to make is just to toot my own horn, because

732
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: we all know I love to do it. Yes, I

733
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: texted you too, allest matches incredible and I was right.

734
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: And remember the last podcast when I said I need

735
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: these top players to play each other more often because

736
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: those are the best matches. And the reason I said

737
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: it was after the match Rebeccena and Sakary played that

738
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: was also incredible tennis. And now we saw it with

739
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: Rebecca and Sablenka and again with Sablenka and Chiontek. It's

740
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: not that we are lacking rivalries. It's just that they

741
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: weren't playing each other and now they are playing each other,

742
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: and this is what happens. It's the most incredible tennis.

743
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: And the thing is why why I say that all

744
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: of these girls are just a little bit ahead of

745
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: the other, of the rest of the pack. That doesn't

746
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: mean that people from the rest of the pack cannot

747
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: beat them. But they have to have a great day,

748
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: and somebody like sabalancaciontek Rebakena, they have to have a

749
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: mediocre day, right, But if they play each other, they

750
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: won't have mediocre days because they will push each other

751
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: to play even better than an already can. And that's

752
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: what happened yesterday. And there were so many things. So

753
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: this is just to toot my own right before.

754
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Before you get into that.

755
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: That was interesting that you said that, because that was

756
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: one of the things that Ega said in the post

757
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: match in the trophy celebration, she said, thank you for

758
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: making me a better basically, thank you for making me

759
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: a better player. You have made me a better player.

760
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: So that was that is your point, said right there

761
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: by the actual player.

762
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and so, and then there were a few tactical

763
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: things that were super interesting to me. So for a

764
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: long So in the first set, Ega was really surprising

765
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: Saballeenka Arena with a lot of body serfs. I think

766
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: she won seventy percent of the for when her first

767
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: serf landed and she almost entirely served body buddy forehand

768
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: and so Arena really couldn't lean on the returns right

769
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: and until she then got a little bit better used

770
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: to it in the second But that was her entire

771
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: game plan for the first set, and interesting, Ega had

772
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: three more winners than Arena did, even though during the

773
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: points it looked like Arena was the one dominating the rallies,

774
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: but it was actually Ega hitting more winners. And the

775
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: way she was hitting a lot of winners was something

776
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: I haven't seen of her yet against against Arena, when

777
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: she was in a defensive position or in a less

778
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: than mutual position, she would hit through the middle of

779
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: the court right, whereas Ega we know she normally likes

780
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: because she's such a great mover, she likes to defend

781
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: in a manner that she can almost get back into

782
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: offensive positions. So if she's in the corner, she will

783
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: go bam, cross court or even sometimes down the line.

784
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: If season opening, she was so disciplined yesterday in keeping

785
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: her game plan attact from first point to last. And

786
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: that was the most impressive thing to me from EGA's perspective,

787
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: because we talked about her so many times. She's so

788
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: good that sometimes she becomes stubborn and she just wants

789
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: to push her game plan through without adjusting to her opponent.

790
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: And that's why I think we need these rivalries, because

791
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: she respects Arena. She knows if Arena plays well, she

792
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: can beat Ega, and she will beat Ega, and so

793
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: she needed to stick with a game plan, and I

794
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: think she needs to that more often, not because she

795
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: won't win, but because she will have an easier time

796
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: beating a lot of other players as well. And that

797
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: was like that. Those were the and another thing she

798
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: did which was super interesting to me because Arena has

799
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: one of the best fourhand cross cords playing heavily, but

800
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: Ega kept going into those cross courts allies trying to

801
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: out heavy her, and she in the tiebreak she missed

802
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: two fourhands that I actually really liked because they were

803
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: played with an intention. She missed them because she wanted

804
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: to get a lot of rotation on them and get

805
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 2: a lot of height above the ball. So they would

806
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: jump out of Arena's strike zone and she missed them.

807
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: But then later when she made them at five all

808
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: she got the enforced era from Arena Sabalenka. So from

809
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: a game plan wise, tectical. I was so impressed with IgA,

810
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy, is Arena Saballeenka tough motherfucker. I

811
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: was like constantly just dipping my head that I didn't wear.

812
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't believe how tough this girl.

813
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: She would miss it you were dipping your head or

814
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: you would you were tipping your hat.

815
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: The amount of fight and tenacity this girl has, I was.

816
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: I mean, apart from the tennis, we all know that

817
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: Arena can just overwhelm and and not only out power,

818
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: but also you can see how much she has worked

819
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: on her fitness. She's moving so well, she's threating from.

820
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: How many how many three set matches.

821
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: They showed us that that she was on court more

822
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: this week than any tournament in her life. Wow, her

823
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: in her life, like Grand Slams, all of it. So,

824
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this is somebody who you know has put

825
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: the work in. And Jim Courier or actually no, Andy

826
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Roddick after the match said that was one of the

827
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: things that impressed him so much with how both of them,

828
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: down to the wire looked like they could play four

829
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: more hours.

830
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: They were both so fit, they both put in the work.

831
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: And I also tweeted out, this is why we don't

832
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: need best of five. Yes, okay, it was three hours

833
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: and eleven minutes of perfection tennis. We don't need fucking

834
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: two more sets because when everyone argues about this with me,

835
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm if you're down a break and you need to

836
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: win two more sets, you just tank that set.

837
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: You're just like, ugh, I mean, you sort of try.

838
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: There's so many guys in best of five will tank

839
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: a set, will tank games because they're like, I don't

840
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: want to give up more energy.

841
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: But in best of three, you can't afford to do that.

842
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm always like, and I'm gonna get

843
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: hats best of five.

844
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: No, it's not about that.

845
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: It's about the quality of tennis that you get when

846
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: you have best of three, because they.

847
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: Cannot take a minute of the match.

848
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: And we saw that yesterday and frankly we saw it

849
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: today with the guys like they were locked in for

850
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: those three sets. Now you know, rube Lev may have

851
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: tanked a little bit earlier in a set, or FAA

852
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: may have said, oh fuck, like, I'm physically getting a

853
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: bit tired, I'm going to tank this set instead of

854
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: like busting his after try and win the games. So

855
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I just it was such good

856
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: tennis and you are so hot on because there was

857
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: one or two points when it really came down to

858
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: it where Eager got the ball back cross court.

859
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: But in the middle of the court, so through the

860
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: middle of the court. I call it the tunnel. It's

861
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: a very big thing for me and I coach it.

862
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: Hit it through the tunnel.

863
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Especially on clay, you're going to find a shitty bounce

864
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the court there where everybody runs

865
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff.

866
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: You might get a dodgy bounce, but I get it back.

867
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: And then because Eager is such a great mover on play,

868
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she is so good on play, like

869
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: she reminds me of a ranch of Sanchez and Steffi

870
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: Graff and the great clay court movers, where you know

871
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: they can get a ball that not many can because

872
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: they can slide to the shot. And her sliding ability

873
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: on an open stance on her forehand and her backhand

874
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: is outrageously crazy. It's unbelievable, and it forces women to

875
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: make the most impossible shot as a try and attempt

876
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: to hit winners because of her ability to run the

877
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: ball down. And that's where the errors came, right when

878
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: it mattered, including match points.

879
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: Match point, yeah, exactly, that was exactly why I went

880
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: for the corner instead of the middle of the court.

881
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: But she tried to hit the tee went a little long,

882
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: and you know, Madrid has a bit of altitude, so

883
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: if you're not fully committed and you try to guide it,

884
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: it goes right away. And it was such an incredible match,

885
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: and I mean the thing is in the second set.

886
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: The reason so this is how close this match was.

887
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: This is how high the quality was. IgA Sciontech in

888
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 2: the second set took a new string and missed two

889
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: balls in the net in the beginning of the set

890
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: because her string was a bit tighter, and that's why

891
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: she lost the set. This is how fucking closed this

892
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: match was. Same with Arena, she missed one backhand down

893
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: the line by like an inch. That's why she lost

894
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: the match in the end, because she missed the end.

895
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 2: I have to say the one thing she didn't even

896
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: though she got used to this in the second set,

897
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: she got used to the body serfs when she got

898
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: a bit tight, she missed a lot of those body serves,

899
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: and in the tiebreak she gave up I think two

900
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: or even three returns that were like wells truck serfs

901
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: but not winner serfs. You know, she could have made

902
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: it then at least gotten into the rally, but she

903
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: missed those, and I think that was the tactic. That's

904
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: why I was so impressed with Ego's game plan, because

905
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: she's stuck with its, very disciplined from first point to last.

906
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, listen, it's lived by

907
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: the thought, died by the store of the ring, right,

908
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: because sometimes you're like, why.

909
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 3: Would she go for that? That's so dumb, Like pull back,

910
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: pull back a little.

911
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: Bit, and you're like, then she hits a winner in

912
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: the here and the second what about the.

913
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: Second serve eight at thirty?

914
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: All?

915
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, are you kidding me? Like, but

916
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: after she was.

917
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: Down love thirty, That's what I mean. Those were the moments,

918
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: Like the moments when she was down Love thirty missed

919
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: two crazy shots and I'm like, oh, she's done for

920
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: and then she just goes ahead and hits three winners.

921
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, give both of these girls Oscars, Tennis Hall

922
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: of Fames, whatever you have, just give them awards. Making

923
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: a word up if you have to, But this is like,

924
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: I was so mesmerized. I had the best three hours

925
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: and eleven minutes. I was just like just just watching

926
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: tennis at the hot plate at the highest level of

927
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: not only tennis, but athleticism of game plan, of technique

928
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: of everything, and the audience, the atmosphere. I'm getting goose

929
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: pumps from first point on when they saw, Oh my god,

930
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: this is a fucking slugfest. They were in it. They

931
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: were so passionate. It was really really fun.

932
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great. And you know, I.

933
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: Also sorry, and it also was a nice fuck you

934
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: to the tournament after they fucked over the ladies last year.

935
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm swear. I tried not to swear so much,

936
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: but this was a necessary swear in this moment.

937
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, what people don't see in our podcast land is

938
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: you also, on top of saying fuck, you actually are

939
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: giving the okay.

940
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: So you've given me.

941
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: The middle finger, So you're not only giving the fuck

942
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: to the tournament, but the middle finger to the tournament.

943
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: So and I agree with you because that women's final

944
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: was literally one of the best, if not the best

945
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: match of the year, and we've had some pretty good ones.

946
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: So let's hope pet go.

947
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: It was interesting to hear both of them though after

948
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: the match being like, oh my god, we've got to

949
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: go to Rome and do this again.

950
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you think about the two week format?

951
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: I saw the little shake of the head for Eager

952
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: and she was almost like, she's not going.

953
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know if i'd go. And I have

954
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: to be honest, I don't know if I would go

955
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: if I was her. She knows there's no way she's

956
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: losing first to second round at the French Yeah, Like

957
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: she would have to have the worst day of her

958
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: life and play the greatest. Her opponent would have to

959
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: play the greatest match of her life to beat her

960
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: in the first second round. It'd be like saying you're

961
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: going to beat Serena at Wembledon in the first second round.

962
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, right, especially when she's playing well

963
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: and so physically.

964
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: I don't know.

965
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just dependent because the thing is as

966
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, peco very well at the French Open, when

967
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: you get to the final, you know, quartered semis and finals.

968
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: So the second way, you're fucking exhausted.

969
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Rebucken has already said that she's tired already

970
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: this year, and so I mean.

971
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: She's so much and she's won so much. Rebecken no wonder.

972
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: But you know what, I think what people underestimate who

973
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: don't play tennis themselves and who haven't played tennis on

974
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: the WTA or ATP tour. They think a day off

975
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: is a day off, But if you're in the tournament,

976
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: the tension in your body is still there. So IgA, Arena, Yolena,

977
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: all these girls when they play fourteen days and they

978
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: have seven days off, those seven days off, yes, they

979
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: maybe just hit an hour of ball or maybe even

980
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: forty five minutes, but the tension in their neck is

981
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: still high. They are still thinking about the next day's match.

982
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: They are still thinking about how am I going to play,

983
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: or what am I going to eat? How am I

984
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: going to sleep? So I can keep my routine, so

985
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: I can do all the right things. So what do

986
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: I do for recovery? All these thoughts, all these emotions,

987
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: they cost energy. So a two week event is a

988
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: two week event. It's not a seven day event. It's

989
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: two weeks. And that's why Grand Slams are so taxing.

990
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: It's not because you play so many matches. You play

991
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: actually less matches than you do in a normal tournament,

992
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: but the emotional toll is much higher. And you know

993
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: much better than me how hard it is to keep

994
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: the focus up for two weeks. For one week, anybody

995
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: can pull themselves together, but to keep your focus for

996
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: two weeks is a huge challenge. And now we're expecting

997
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: these high profile athletes to do that six weeks in

998
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: a row. I feel like that's a bit much, that's

999
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: a lot.

1000
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and this is what I always tell

1001
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: to people when they win. They don't like, go fire

1002
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: it up. They lie on the ground and cry. And

1003
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: why is that You're so relieved and so tired and

1004
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: so taxed mentally. Physically, yes, it's very physically taxing, as

1005
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, but it's more the mental of every single

1006
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: point having to literally talk yourself off jumping off a bridge,

1007
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: like you're constantly having to be like, okay, it's okay,

1008
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: it's okay, let it go, let it go it's fine,

1009
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, You're gonna be fine. It's okay,

1010
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: let's get back to this point. All right, Okay, you

1011
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: missed that shot like rebarkinga When she missed that forehand

1012
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: to give her a match point, you could see in

1013
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: her face, oh my god. And she lost that game,

1014
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: and you could tell she was like you could tell

1015
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: even on her face, and she's like the best poker player,

1016
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: But when you see someone play a lot and you

1017
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: know their demeanor, I could tell that she felt like

1018
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to win that match is gone.

1019
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: Now.

1020
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: There was so much more tennis that was played there,

1021
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: and it could have gone either way in the end,

1022
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: but you could just tell she knew how big that

1023
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: myss was. And there's certain moments and certain points and

1024
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: certain shots that have been missed in the past where

1025
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: we could say that was the moment that the match changed,

1026
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: even though it could go really close, you knew that

1027
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: that's where it changed, and she knew, and you could

1028
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: just tell what by her demeanor.

1029
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: Like, oh, how did I miss that poinhand? You know?

1030
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: And maybe and maybe maybe in the end, the difference

1031
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: is not the back end down the line that Arena

1032
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: misses on match point or the two or three returns

1033
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: she misses on on the body serfs. Maybe the difference

1034
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: in the end is that she played another crazy match

1035
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: against Rebeccna the match before and that cost her that

1036
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: zero point zero and was one percent of emotional strain

1037
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: that in the end wasn't enough to be the best

1038
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: player in the world. Right now, Youantek and then I'm

1039
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: in the world.

1040
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: And you know you saw Reblev today and Ego, both

1041
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: of them lie on the ground and start like crying

1042
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: because you can finally I mean, I know what it

1043
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: felt like for me, for example, like when I won

1044
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: my Grand Slams, like I.

1045
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: Wasn't fired up.

1046
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: I like with crying because it's like I could finally

1047
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: let the emotions that you've been, as you said, bottling up.

1048
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: You feel it in your neck, you feel it in

1049
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: your arms, you feel it in your You don't sleep,

1050
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: you're not eating right, but you're.

1051
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: Not sleeping exactly all those things. You're not sleeping like

1052
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: after a match, yes, you're not sleeping well after a match,

1053
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: maybe you're sleeping. And then if you play early, you're

1054
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: not sleeping well before the match either, because you're playing

1055
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: eleven am, so you know you have to get up

1056
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: at seven and be in match mode right away. I know,

1057
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: Spitlana Kuznetso are telling me that when she won the

1058
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: French Open against the Narosafina in the final, she thought

1059
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: two days before the Roland Garos that she had torn

1060
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: an abdominal muscle, so she flew in her Russian doctor.

1061
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: He came in and he was like, girlfriend, you're having

1062
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: a nervous cramp. Go have a glass of wine. And

1063
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: after every match she had a big glass of red

1064
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: wine so she could sleep because she couldn't sleep because

1065
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 2: remember that season she had won I think Stut got

1066
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: Roam and lost in the finals of Madrid, so everyone

1067
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: expected her to do well and she had so much

1068
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: pressure on herself that she had to drink a huge

1069
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: glass of red wine she could sleep at all. And

1070
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: she was like, I was I was not drinking much

1071
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: at that time, so when I had that one glass

1072
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: of red wine, it was like somebody hit me in

1073
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 2: the head and I fainted. But the next eight hours

1074
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: before I got up again to go and hit for

1075
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: an hour or so.

1076
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I remember that tournament very well

1077
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: because I was playing doubles with Sam and she lost

1078
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: then six three third in the semi finals.

1079
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was one of the.

1080
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: Best matches and it was like so good. But yeah,

1081
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: I mean.

1082
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Sophia Kennon has famously talked about before she went onto

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Speaker 1: the court every single match at the Strain Open, the

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00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: tournament she won, she cried, She cried before going on

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Speaker 1: the court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I have it. Yes, well, I wrote

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00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: about it in my last sub stack. I wrote about it,

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: how to function under pressure. There is no secret to

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00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: functioning under pressure. You just kind of have to do

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00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: it and you get used to it. When I was

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00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: a teenager and I started playing tournaments, I threw up

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00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: before every match from nerves. I threw up every single match,

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: and then later I didn't throw up anymore, but I

1094
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: still got the nausea feeling of like, oh my god,

1095
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: what is happening to me? Because I got so nervous.

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00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: And every single player has that in one way or another,

1097
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: and everybody every time. Just go to a practice warm

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: up session of Novak Djokovic before a match, and this

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00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: guy has one wins ninety nine out of one hundred

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00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: matches he plays, and he's yelling at his team members.

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: He's throwing his record. He's so nervous, so stressed out.

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00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: And if he's nervous before a match, imagine how us

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00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: other mortals feel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But also that's a really good point because I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, when Angie Kerber had to defend her Australian

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Speaker 1: Open title and she won a pretty tough first round

1108
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: the next year, and she was very stressed, and you

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00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: could tell, and you know, Angie was notoriously got really stressed,

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00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: but you could tell from her, right. Some people keep

1111
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: it under the best pretty well, but Angie never did.

1112
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: And she came off the court she was like, oh.

1113
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: And I interviewed her up the match, She's like, yeah,

1114
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: so nervous, like god, you know, defending a oh and

1115
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. And I happen to bump

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00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: into three and like five minutes later and I saw three,

1117
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, did be Angie? That was a

1118
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: tough one. She got through. She's like she was so

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00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: nervous out. She goes, welcome to what my life has

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Speaker 1: been like for twenty years.

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00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: So it's like, now, as you said, you do learn

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00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: to deal with it, and you the more you win,

1124
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: the more pressure. And it's so that's why we players

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00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: as pros respect the shit out of these players that

1126
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: have done it for decades at the highest levels, because

1127
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: we're like, man, they've had to deal with this stress

1128
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: and pressure so long and the fact that they keep

1129
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: doing it and the reason they are it's good. They keep,

1130
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: like you said, are working probably harder than everybody. They're

1131
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: putting that extra little thing in and they're putting themselves

1132
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: through the emotional tolls a little bit more. And someone

1133
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: like Andre Rublair for example, is learning to keep his

1134
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: shit together and it is helping him win, you know,

1135
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: a Master's one thousand, like he did today.

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Speaker 3: So you know, so anyway, hopefully so we.

1137
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Speaker 2: Will talk again. I'm deciding this for us after Rome

1138
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: and giving a little review of Rome and a preview

1139
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: towards Roland Garros. If you want, we can do a

1140
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: little Challengers movie review next week. I'm up for it.

1141
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: And what else did I want to say? I am

1142
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Speaker 2: now going to finish the idea of you with a

1143
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Speaker 2: very hot actor on Amazon Prime.

1144
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1145
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well thanks for that and Amazon if you want,

1146
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: if you want to pay for our podcast, we'll be

1147
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: all for it. But Anyway, all right, guys, we're sorry.

1148
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Speaker 1: We've been on a little bit of a sabbatical. But

1149
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: as we say, we've been very well. Some of us

1150
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: have been very busy.

1151
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: We are now I'm committed. Let's I will be more disciplined.

1152
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: I swear good, good good. My disapline is out the window.

1153
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Speaker 1: I got home at four thirty, four fifteen in the

1154
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Speaker 1: morning this morning.

1155
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Speaker 3: My god, how was it?

1156
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: Was a lipa funny?

1157
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I went to FNL and watched Dual a lipa I'd

1158
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: like to call her because she played dual role. She

1159
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: was the coast and the wow, I mean, what a

1160
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: That's so hard to do. It's already panic stations to

1161
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: host SNL. It is a live TV show. It's crazy

1162
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: the shit that's going on there. And she performed. She

1163
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Speaker 1: was awesome, and she was funny, and her American accents

1164
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Speaker 1: in all of her skits were awesome. I loved so

1165
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Speaker 1: many of the skits last night. They was so funny.

1166
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Speaker 1: The penne Ala vodka you didn't see it because you're

1167
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Speaker 1: not here, You're in Germany, but the penne Ala vodka

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Speaker 1: one was hilarious. So I want to thank my friend

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Speaker 1: Jill Bream, who took us because she works on the show.

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Speaker 1: I went with Caitlin from our Intrepid Caitlin Thompson, and

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Speaker 1: I went with Danielle Kalmeyer, my buddy, who's a great

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00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: closes on and we had a great time and I

1173
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: got home very late, but I had fun.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, pet Goats, thanks for joining me today. Everyone,

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00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: thanks for hanging in there with us. We love you

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00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: and we'll be back. We'll see you next week. Okay,

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Speaker 3: because you're in Germany, pet go we're gonna say jeo