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Speaker 3: No, that's else that it involves lingerie, at.

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Speaker 1: Least where I live. That would be highly unfortunate to

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Speaker 3: That strikes me as a very Portlandia thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I would agree that does seem crazy, And I'll be honest,

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Speaker 3: This is the whole progressive we hate males thing. I

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Speaker 1: Sickness, Yes, yeah, anyway, I wasn't meaning to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: Right, So I'm dealing with this with my teenagers and smartphones.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that we haven't come up with some more

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Speaker 3: He turns it off. I said, Dad, that's the same song.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think. I'm well, Katie, you haven't commented.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you're saying all this, I'm thinking about all

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, all for the little shots of endorphins.

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Speaker 3: You work up the courage to talk about them, for instance. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and just to prove that I'm not here to lecture anybody,

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Speaker 3: I just I think about these things. I have a

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Speaker 1: I know people like that. Yeah, and I certainly.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely admire it, and did annoys me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's on both ends of the equation. I

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Speaker 3: mean not getting and I don't need an immediate response

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Speaker 3: I texted him and asked him if he can go,

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Speaker 3: So it works both ways. Yes, Yeah, the expectation of

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure he is concerned, whether he voiced

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Speaker 3: response to their questions or statements or whatever. That's part

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm surprised we don't have more defined cultural

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Speaker 3: Is the cultural norm, including in the face of somebody

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Speaker 3: this is more interesting. Maybe that's the new cultural norm.

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Speaker 3: You've got to say out loud, something more interesting than

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Speaker 3: you just happened touching your phone. I mean, because that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back to me, going, am I boring you?

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Speaker 3: That's or urgent, something more urgent than you has come up.

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Speaker 3: But then it's certainly incumbent upon you to say, what

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Speaker 3: is it? Yeah, it's because if you don't have a

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Speaker 3: good answer, we're not friends anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the problem is it's not the unspoken truth,

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Speaker 1: only like two people on earth would be more important

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a monster, all right, We'll have three choices.

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Speaker 3: Something more important than you just happened, Oh, something more

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Speaker 3: urgent than this conversation just happened. Or I'm a shameless,

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Speaker 3: Bear with me.

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Speaker 2: The people I'm really us with are the ones that

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Speaker 2: is everything okay? Because then it's kind of like a obviously,

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Speaker 2: obviously something just came up that.

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Speaker 1: Must be the cancer?

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Speaker 3: So subtle, Yeah, so subtle, Katie genius.

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Speaker 1: I think we're I think we're fighting a losing battle. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how mankind survives this.

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Speaker 3: We won't.

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Speaker 1: Now we're doomed.

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Speaker 3: No sex, no babies, planning to the beavers.

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Speaker 1: That's how we end the podcast, the fact that we're doomed.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I was a kid, I would be

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss you know people that's going on. You

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