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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast

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Speaker 1: this episode three four seven. My name is Brad Ryland.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to you deep in the night here, and

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Speaker 1: I do be deep into the night here on a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday evening into Wednesday, and I'm joined not by Scott Coleman,

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Speaker 1: but by Steven Tolbert. We're checking it up on this

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Speaker 1: Tuesday post WBC edition. Stephen, how are you mixing.

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Speaker 2: It up if you will? That's right, Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be on buddy. Obviously we just watched the WBC.

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Speaker 2: We waited until after the game was over recorded the case.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Ronnie is involved. Congrats to Venezuela. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about it a little bit. But yeah, we're we're so close.

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Speaker 2: We're like almost what ten days ten days out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we record this, it's ten days, it's it'll

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Speaker 1: be nine days people listen to this on Wednesday. We're

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Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to Braves Baseball. As Stephen just said,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about WBC final and Venezuela knocking off the

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Speaker 1: US in the final tonight later in the podcast, but

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, we're going to take some questions from you,

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Speaker 1: the listeners and viewers of this podcast. First though, let

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Speaker 1: us dive in and mix it Up, engineered by Fast

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Speaker 1: and All. All right, Stephen, we asked for mail back questions,

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Speaker 1: in fact, to you ask mail back questions today, and

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Speaker 1: we got a couple on one particular player, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to kind of group them together here in the

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Speaker 1: Mix it Up segment, sponsored and engineered by Fast and All. MARIUSA.

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Speaker 1: Dubon has been a popular topic in Brave Slang's and

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Speaker 1: a really good Spring and a question came in from

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Speaker 1: Ben who says, is Dubond's sprint performance semi reel And

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Speaker 1: he says, I know he talks to Chipper, and obviously

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Speaker 1: he's not going to actually become Chipper overnight, but he

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Speaker 1: wants to know what the eye test is telling us,

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Speaker 1: assuming that we've seen as at bats, and also the

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Speaker 1: numbers have been good. So before I ask you to

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Speaker 1: tell him what you think about, we just lay out

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Speaker 1: the numbers. He's a nine to thirty ops in twelve

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Speaker 1: spring games, with four doubles in a home run. It's spring,

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Speaker 1: but hey, it's better than not hities of all. Well,

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Speaker 1: so what do you make of this early performance from

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Speaker 1: Marisa Demond, who obviously is pretty important to giving the

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Speaker 1: absence of Hasan Kim.

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Speaker 2: So to answer the question directly, it is one thousand

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Speaker 2: percent not real, not fully real.

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Speaker 1: He did say semi reel, which is probably what it's safer,

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Speaker 1: but it's.

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Speaker 2: Got a one to fifty WRC plus this spring so

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Speaker 2: and it's with like a four hundred batting average on

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Speaker 2: balls in play, so it's definitely not real. The question

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Speaker 2: really is is his Does he have a ceiling that's

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Speaker 2: higher than like a ninety WRC plus kind of really

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Speaker 2: good defensive short stuff, which is kind of what I

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Speaker 2: assumed he was what he's been for most of his career, right,

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Speaker 2: like a really good, serviceable utility guy. He's not going

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Speaker 2: to kill you as a starter. Is there more to

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Speaker 2: him than that? Is the question? And I I always

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Speaker 2: assume there's a little bit more in the tank for

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Speaker 2: guys that have athleticism, and Debond's got athleticism. He he

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Speaker 2: doesn't just play shortstop, he plays all of the diamond

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Speaker 2: can play. I think you're gonna see him quite a

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Speaker 2: bit left field when when Kim comes back. But I

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Speaker 2: do think there's more. I think he can be like

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Speaker 2: is extremely Viole's like a three win player, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think he's maybe got that might be a ceiling.

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Speaker 2: He maybe got a three and a half win season

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Speaker 2: not that. But I do think there's a little more

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Speaker 2: had a good season. I never know what to make

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Speaker 2: of the chipper stuff. I never know what to makeup

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Speaker 2: guys talking to like, I'm not a hitter, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a hitting coach. I don't know what is said that

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree, and it is a fascinating It's

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Speaker 1: not really the topic, but you know, the Chipper thing,

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Speaker 1: not really sure you know, is the is the performance real?

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Dhu and have you have Dubond play a corner,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it happens like I'll I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: And and some people might not be able enough to

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Speaker 2: remember this honestly, but there was a time when Jose

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Speaker 2: and nobody knew who he was.

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Speaker 2: And then one year he went to Toronto and became

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably wouldn't have been available for the trade

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Speaker 1: he is not a bad hitter already. No, he's not

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Speaker 1: but that's fine. That's a really valuable piece to have

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Speaker 1: making six million dollars. And speaking of ut on the

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Speaker 1: way question from Robert came in who says, if Dubond

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Speaker 1: like a valuable guy that AA would try to sign

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Speaker 1: being asked. I'd imagine so two questions here in one

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Speaker 1: basically from Robert Stephen, is there any chance he's playing

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Speaker 1: shortstop permanently if it goes well? And question two is like,

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Speaker 2: If Kim is he they paid They paid Kim twenty

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Oh, if he's healthy, he's gonna play short or he's

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Speaker 1: We did not talk about ahead of time. I actually

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Speaker 1: that was the point I was gonna make too, Like,

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Speaker 2: But Kim is gonna play.

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Speaker 1: But Kim's I mean, there's no there's no way if

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Speaker 1: you think it's gonna be twenty million dollars, like he's

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Speaker 1: if Dubon is so good that it's becomes even a

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Speaker 1: many times without Profar and without someone like Azuna, like

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like to showcase yourself for

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Speaker 1: the future, because like, if you're gonna sign a one

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Speaker 1: of that I would assume for Kim's side is like

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Speaker 1: I want to play shortstop full time and prove that

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Speaker 1: I can do that. So yeah, give and take there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the only world I see where the bond

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Speaker 2: athleticism and range all that matters. Like if du Bund,

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Speaker 2: you know, show some indications and I don't mean just results,

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Speaker 2: When guys are thirty two and older are usually about offense,

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Speaker 2: Damn all right, that's the perfect scenario where I'm going

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Speaker 2: don't spend a lot of time throwing until they have

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Speaker 2: a contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they stay in shape, but like, yeah, guys do

431
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Speaker 1: not generally build up, which might that might sound counterintuitive,

432
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: but you do not want to get hurt. And look,

433
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Speaker 1: the reality is pitchers get hurt a lot, and it's

434
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Speaker 1: I should when they're ramping up is like a prime

435
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Speaker 1: time to get hurt.

436
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Speaker 2: So you got to take a physical before you sign that,

437
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, before the contract is finalized. If you hurt

438
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Speaker 2: yourself in the winter time trying to throw. I mean,

439
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: you're just the biggest city in the world. So a

440
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: lot of these guys do not throw until they have contracts,

441
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: and I don't blame them, but that means when Gilito signs,

442
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: he almost certainly is going to have to start his

443
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Speaker 2: spring train, so you know, I mean, that's just that's

444
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Speaker 2: a month right there, and so you got to take

445
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Speaker 2: it off the value of the contract because it's a

446
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Speaker 2: month you know you're not getting. And then you gotta

447
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Speaker 2: live with he's so far behind everybody else. What is

448
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Speaker 2: he gonna give me overall? Anyway, It's like, and then

449
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Speaker 2: you got the lockout in twenty twenty seven, So even

450
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Speaker 2: if you did, like a two year deal, even that's

451
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Speaker 2: not certain. He's in a tough spot. I don't know

452
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Speaker 2: what is it. I mean, I would love to know

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Speaker 2: the inner the inner text conversation between him and his agent,

454
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Speaker 2: because I feel like he's misplayed this. I could be

455
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Speaker 2: you know, he could get a big contract at some point.

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Speaker 2: I could be dead wrong, but I think he's misplayed this.

457
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Speaker 2: And I think he's underrated. How much time it is

458
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Speaker 2: going to take him to get ready, how much of

459
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Speaker 2: a discount he's going to have to take because of that,

460
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Speaker 2: And with the twenty twenty seven lockout pending, I don't

461
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Speaker 2: know that he's even going to get a two year deal,

462
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Speaker 2: So it's he's in a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, definitely interesting, and then we gonna talk

464
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Speaker 1: about it in a while. I thought it was always

465
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Speaker 1: worth bringing back up because it's just so strange and

466
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Speaker 1: the Braves are not a team that I'm expecting to

467
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Speaker 1: sign him. But uh, bizarre. I have to ask you,

468
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Speaker 1: given that we just mentioned a few times how close

469
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Speaker 1: we are to spring, not just pertaining me over in

470
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Speaker 1: the actual season beginning opening day nine days away. We

471
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Speaker 1: got a question from Dan who says, how important is

472
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Speaker 1: it from a financial standpoint for the Braves to get

473
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Speaker 1: the new channel Braves Vision on to cable and satellite providers.

474
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Speaker 1: Can they truly rely on the direct to consumer option

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Speaker 1: to help meet the needs of the team financially And

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Speaker 1: just to say, as of this recording Tuesday night, the

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Speaker 1: Braves have still not announced finalized Cross the Tacross the

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Speaker 1: Team Dot the i's on their TV partners. They did launch,

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Speaker 1: as you guys talked about on the podcast last week,

480
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Speaker 1: or maybe it was ten days ago, whatever, it was

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Speaker 1: the streaming option, which Candily I've already subscribed to as

482
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Speaker 1: an in market person. But the TV side of things,

483
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Speaker 1: if you're still a cable subscriber, it's still a tvd

484
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Speaker 1: and hey, Steven, the season starts in a week, So

485
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Speaker 1: that's what do you think about that? And also to

486
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Speaker 1: the actual question, I mean, my answer is it's important

487
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Speaker 1: financially like, because the more money you can make with

488
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Speaker 1: carrier fees, it all goes. I've said before. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you agree with me or not. I think

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna lose. They're not to lose money. They

491
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Speaker 1: will make less money in year one of this than

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Speaker 1: they're used to making. The hope is that they'll make

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Speaker 1: more in year two, three, four, five. But even with

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote bad TV compact that Brave signed, which

495
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Speaker 1: was bad at the time it was, that deal is

496
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Speaker 1: still a lot more than most teams are getting now

497
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Speaker 1: for their rights because the cable industry has collapsed basically,

498
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Speaker 1: So anyway, thoughts.

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Speaker 2: They're definitely gonna make less money. In your one. I mean,

500
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: teams were making a boatload of money on the RSN model.

501
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: That's the reason the models survived as long as it

502
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: did is because teams were happy to keep collecting those strecs,

503
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: even the deal was a lot of money compared to

504
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: what they want. As long as some company out there

505
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Speaker 2: was willing to keep writing them, teams were doing great.

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Speaker 2: There was actually a whole time where I thought, like

507
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Speaker 2: the TV money was so big, I thought it was

508
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: gonna be a bubble. And I mean, I guess in

509
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Speaker 2: some ways it was, because I mean it's kind of burst.

510
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: But so they're definitely gonna make less money originally, or

511
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Speaker 2: at least initially. What I'll say is this, in order

512
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: to make your money as your own network, you won

513
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: you have to sell to these major cable companies because

514
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: you need the fees that you charge to pay for everything.

515
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: And two, in order to get the ad revenue that

516
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: you need, you need the ratings which come from being

517
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Speaker 2: in the homes of the millions of people that still

518
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Speaker 2: have cable. Like, there's no and I said this before,

519
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: we talked about this a couple of months ago. There's

520
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: no world where you launched on network and have a

521
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Speaker 2: linear TV cable option and don't have deals with like

522
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Speaker 2: the major carrier like Charter AT and.

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Speaker 1: T Yeah Direct, I mean we will will like no,

524
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, and I know we'll get quite

525
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: We already had gotten questions and we're not trying to

526
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: be customer service for everybody. But like the YouTube TV question,

527
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: I always get asked, I don't know if I hold

528
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: my breath from that because they don't usually do.

529
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Speaker 2: That's a legitimate question that might might not happen. There's

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Speaker 2: no world where they're not on.

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Speaker 1: Like Charter, right, That's what I'm gonna say, Like that

532
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Speaker 1: that's actually up for debate. Like you know, the Hulu

533
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Speaker 1: lives the kind of in between options between cable and streaming,

534
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: those are less certain. The Fubos is one, that's that

535
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: the brays were on before. But yeah, they they have

536
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Speaker 1: to be on Exfinity Charter Direct TV like they have

537
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Speaker 1: to do that because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

538
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Speaker 1: And look, I'm a YouTube TV guy at this point,

539
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Speaker 1: I just be catered. That's what I need.

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Speaker 2: Hold I am.

541
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Speaker 1: The only reason I wasn't for the for the like

542
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Speaker 1: probably three years before this was honestly because of the

543
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: Braves and the Hawks. Yeah, which is I am that person?

544
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: I had to watch the Braves and the Hawks. I

545
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: kept cable for a long time once then Fandal for

546
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: US network was available over the top on either Amazon

547
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: or their own streaming service. That's when I was able

548
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: to finally cut the core and go you to TV.

549
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: I was one of those people. But not everyone's like

550
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: us Steven, even listeners of the podcast like, they're not

551
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: so die hard that they are like, I will do

552
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: anything to make sure I have access to the Braves

553
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: every day. And those people have cable a lot of

554
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Speaker 1: the time.

555
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: And those people are the majority of fans are casual

556
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: and that's the thing about the whole cable model.

557
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: And make it too hard to get to your games.

558
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: They just won't do it right. It's it's really nice

559
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: for I'm in market. Are you? Are you in market? Technically?

560
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: I can't. I think you are. I know Scott's not,

561
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. But it's great for

562
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: me to be able to pay the one hundred dollars

563
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: Braves Vision streaming price. I was eager to do that.

564
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: That's awesome for me. It's better than I've had in

565
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: years and years and years to cut to watch the Brakes.

566
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: But.

567
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Teams and chemra companies like they really do need those

568
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: built in subscriber fees. ESPN's is the biggest one of

569
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: any any network anywhere. They make the most and that's

570
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: why their big carriage disputes are always you know, covered

571
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to the degree because they're they are hugely impactful for

572
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: YouTube TV and all this. The brands are not going

573
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: to be that high on the list, but in this market,

574
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: they got to be on Comcast, they got to be

575
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Speaker 1: on Charter, and we'll see. I just look this up

576
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: as we're talking. Still, as of eleven forty two pm

577
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, Eastern Time, on their website, the Braves are

578
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: still saying the Braves will partner with cable satellite extreaming

579
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Speaker 1: services to provide breads vision to their customers. They'll provide

580
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Speaker 1: it update on availability and channel locations as deals are finalized.

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Speaker 2: And I actually have seen on Twitter the last few

582
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: days I've been digging into that because we I mean,

583
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Speaker 2: I I get I'm sure you're the same. I get

584
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: questions about this literally every day every day. Yeah, but

585
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: you know there's people who have been asking, like direct

586
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: TV on Twitter or or should Charter on Twitter and

587
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: their little like reply bots will answer and everyone I've

588
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: seen says there's no deal yet, well announced, Yeah, well

589
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: now it's when there is, so like, it's just hasn't been.

590
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: It just hadn't gotten done yet. And I the last

591
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Speaker 2: thing I'll say about it is this, there's you have

592
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Speaker 2: to if you're going to announce linear cable, you also

593
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: have to give your You also have to give your

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Speaker 2: people a little time, Like, I don't think you want

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Speaker 2: to be announcing this on opening day.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And that's why I was. I was encouraged

597
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: by the you know, it's still fairly late in the

598
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: game that they announced the streaming options, but it was

599
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: a couple it was a couple of weeks, Like and

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Speaker 1: that's enough time. If you if you want to want

601
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: to find that, you'll find it. You'll get it in there.

602
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: But I'm like, well that happened. I'm like, all right,

603
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it's they got to get the cable stuff done and

604
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: maybe look, there are a lot of people and they

605
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: may not be listened to our show because this is

606
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: a regular Braves podcast. Who are gonna on opening day

607
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh the Braves are on how do I watch.

608
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: Them, yeah, and they yeah, they'll turn the Fandel and

609
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: there won't be anything and there won't be a game there.

610
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Speaker 2: Confused as hell.

611
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Speaker 1: I have friends that let's still get that question.

612
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Can I watch the Braves on Fandel?

613
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know, of course I cover the Hawks as well,

614
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: and the Hawks are still Unfanduel. Oh yeah, and there's

615
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: lots of Hawks Braves fans. It's a So that's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen for I guarantee you on the day of opening

617
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: day people are going to go on to Fandle. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see. So that's what I'm going on anymore. But

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Speaker 1: the answer is definitely, the Braves have to get on

620
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: cable and slid providers. They're gonna do that. If they don't,

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Speaker 1: they're insane. They're get they're going to and uh how quickly?

622
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Speaker 1: What if it cost people? You know? All that stuff

623
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Speaker 1: is interesting. What tier will be on it's always interesting too,

624
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Speaker 1: Like somebody.

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00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna say. What tier are

626
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Speaker 2: these cable comans going to put this network on? Is

627
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Speaker 2: what I'm fascinating.

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Speaker 1: That's probable what they're negotiating right now. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: if you're the Braves, you want to be on the

630
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: lowest tier possible because you want everybody to have your games.

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Speaker 1: If you're the cable com or this or the sellite

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: company you want to put you want to put them

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Speaker 1: on an exclusive tire because people.

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Speaker 2: Will pay for them live sports carries that entire month.

635
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Correct. So that's enough of that on this particular episode.

636
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we're nine days out and it's

637
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Speaker 1: still not result, which is very interesting, all right, Steven.

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Speaker 1: All right, Stephen, As we mentioned, the WBC is over,

660
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: and I will I will say finally because I really

661
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching the WBC. I know it's not for everybody.

662
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: It's one of the reason why we're doing it at

663
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast, because not everybody's in on it,

664
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: but I love watching it. The energy was tremendous throughout

665
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: our partners of Fox one and had the whole tournament.

666
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: It was awesome to watch there. The US lost. I

667
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: was rooting for the US. I know Ronnie was on Venezuela,

668
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: so I don't know about you. If I could have

669
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: picked a team other than the United States to win,

670
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: I would have chosen Venezuela because I really like Ronald

671
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: mcuon junr. So I'm I'm not as heartbrok as I

672
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: would have been if they lost to somebody else. Does

673
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: that mirror what you thought about the end of this

674
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: and we can go to where you want with talking

675
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: about WBC.

676
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, tonight I was. I was hoping the USA one

677
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: five to four and the four were like four Ronald

678
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: Mucune Junior or solo.

679
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Homer that would have been the best way to do it.

680
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, so, but yeah, I'm I'm not a

681
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: huge WBC guy. I have enjoyed it more this year

682
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: than I ever have before. I do think the Latin

683
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: countries bring so much love and energy for this tournament

684
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: that it has actually increased my joy of it. I

685
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: do think it is funny. I want to get your

686
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: opinion on this. Because the American players grow up in

687
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: this country where we have the World Series. It does

688
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: feel like there is a a split where maybe the

689
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Americans we don't value it the same way they do.

690
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: And I you could tell with like who pitches and

691
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: who doesn't, who participates and who doesn't versus these Latin

692
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: countries where like if they have anybody even remotely close

693
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: to being like a capable player, they're on the team

694
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: and they're gonna participate. And you know, the US has

695
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: now lost twice the last two in the in the

696
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: final they lost to Japan last year, or four years

697
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: ago they lost to Venezuela night. It does feel a

698
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: little bit like these other countries care about it more

699
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: than we do. And that's not a knock on the

700
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: American players.

701
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: We just grow up.

702
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: We grow up in a country where the World Series,

703
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, massive baseball's played in October, so they'll played

704
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: in March. And I don't really blame the players for that.

705
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean it's all you know, it's

706
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: hard to tell officially, so I want to give that caliat.

707
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: But it does feel that way. And I think the

708
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: American players obviously wanted to win, you know, clearly. You know,

709
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: the pitching is always the question aus of when it happens.

710
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Like I do understand why it's hard to get all

711
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: the best pitchers to be available for a tournament in March,

712
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Like it's very difficult, it just is.

713
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: But I think this is probably the best time.

714
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean maybe, but also, like you're committing, you

715
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: have to go through this whole thing. I mean, look

716
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: at look at our school, like he's the best pitcher

717
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: of the world, one of the best five pitchers in

718
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: the world. And he was there and they left and

719
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: he could have pitched today. I mean, Joe Nam supposed

720
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: to pitch. That didn't happen. Like it's one game. I'm

721
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: trying to just say that. But given the volume of

722
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: awesome American players in Major League Baseball, if you look

723
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: at the pitchers who pitched in the final tonight, it's

724
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: not representative of the best of the best of American pitchers.

725
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: These guys are really I mean, there's good pictures to

726
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: pitch tonight. Plain's a good picture Brad Keller pitch like.

727
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: These guys are recognizable. I know who they are. You

728
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: know who they are, But they're not the part the

729
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: best of the mean Skeens pitched. Skeins is Skeens is Keens.

730
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: Skeens is incredible. He pitched the other day. But for

731
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: the final of the WBC, the US US six pitchers tonight,

732
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, normal baseball fan doesn't know any of these

733
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: guys are any of them And.

734
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: So that's so the knack of star player on the

735
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: on the pitching staff outside of Skible or outside of

736
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: skins and uh, yeah, it's all I heard him. But

737
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: I'll say this, it was a two nothing game in

738
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: the like.

739
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: No, that wasn't what I lost today. No, for sure,

740
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted to that's just more anecdotal. But the

741
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: office wasn't good enough. It's funny you and I were

742
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: texting about about Bryce Harper, who was having a terrible tournament,

743
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: and then he hit the big the big swing to

744
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: tie the game tonight, so he came alive, but pregnant.

745
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: Bregman was terrible. The entire tournament. Judge had some high

746
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: profile had some good moments on the up and down

747
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: for them, for sure. So it's not like we've covered

748
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: it in detail. But to answer your question before, I

749
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: do think it matters a little bit lessybe a little

750
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: bit differently. Look, this is anecdotal too, but like, look

751
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: at the did you watch the Venezuela celebration.

752
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: Like the world?

753
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: It looked like a world too, So it did. It

754
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent like that. These guys are crying

755
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: on the field, Ronnie. I mean, I know people got mad,

756
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: and I saw it, and I don't even want to

757
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: entertain some of the bad actors and stuff but like

758
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: I think Ronnie said on the record in some way

759
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: this week, like it's almost bigger than the World Series

760
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: because you're playing for your country.

761
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: And Julio Rodriguez said the same thing.

762
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's to me that that's not offensive to me.

763
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: These guys are they're playing for their country in an

764
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: event they care about. Like that's bothering me. I understand

765
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: if you want to be like play tough guy or whatever,

766
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: but like it. It makes it. I mean, but to

767
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: that point, no one in America is going to say that, Well.

768
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you grew up in a country that's

769
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: the World Series, you want to go to get about

770
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: the World Series as much as we do.

771
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: That's why it's a totally different thing. And you're right,

772
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Dominican Republic, same thing, this guy. I mean,

773
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: they grew.

774
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Up with the World Series. I don't care. I mean,

775
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: they care about the World Series because.

776
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: They want they want to win.

777
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so they got Dominican Republic on their chests

778
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: or Venezuela on their chest. That that's that stuff is crazy.

779
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Important to that And and the energy level was tremendous throughout.

780
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I love what I mean you're right. I

781
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: am not. I would not consider myself to be a

782
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: top tier WBC enthusiast by any means, but I watched

783
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of those games in the last couple of

784
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: weeks and because it was just like really good. It

785
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: was a really good product to watch it if you

786
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: like baseball at all, and like, it's pretty fun. And look,

787
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: we're also, as Scott and I joked on Sunday, we're

788
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: in the dog days of spring training right now, like

789
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: maybe this coming week is when it's like turning the

790
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: corner finally to like, all right, we are fully on

791
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: here and then maybe that maybe that's today's show for us.

792
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: It's like we're turning the page now WBCs over. The

793
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: season's pretty much here and it's like we're back. But

794
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: that middle of a spring training is tough. And this

795
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: is really, really fun a couple of weeks of super

796
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: high level baseball. And it's unfortunate because I wanted the

797
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Americans to win. I'm an American, but that was you know,

798
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: the people talk about this as being like the best

799
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: team ever assembled and they didn't win it. And you know, me, Skiven,

800
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: I mean, people are laughing that listen to this podcast

801
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's a single elimination baseball tournament.

802
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: The idea that the best team is gonna win that

803
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: often is kind of silly because baseball should never be

804
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: single elimination. I get why it is, and it's a

805
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: lot of fun, but if you're trying to decide who

806
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: the best team is, I promise you this will not

807
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: be a format of the tournament. It'd be a series,

808
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: because that's that. Baseball is a really random sport in

809
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: a one game sample size. But the US team, the

810
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: lineup is ridiculously loaded. It's like the best team maybe

811
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: ever and they didn't win it. And that people it's like, oh,

812
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that's that's not that's not cool. But also what we

813
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: talked about, people that are mad tonight in a week,

814
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: are they going to care not at all? Probably not.

815
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: So it's a weird. It's a weird event through that lens.

816
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: But I can tell you in Venezuela they're gonna be

817
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: partying for weeks and weeks and weeks and that's cool.

818
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: That's that's fun. That's fun to me. I like sports.

819
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I like sports, not even just like these I like

820
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: the idea of sports. I'm huge on sports. In general,

821
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my life, too much of

822
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: my life probably covering, watching, enjoying sports, and like the

823
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: passion is part of the reason these guys are really

824
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: cared about the event, which is fun.

825
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: And you know, the format also just you can't you

826
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: can't know who the best team is when you when

827
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: you're number one, consideration is not playing the best players.

828
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: It's trying to keep everybody healthy for the games that

829
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: really matter over the next seven months. Like that format

830
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: means you're just gonna have to kind of live with

831
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: what you get, Like there's nothing If the United States

832
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: cared to win the world to win the World Baseball

833
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Classic as much as say, you know, the Detroit Tigers

834
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: care about winning a World Series, to Rescooba would have

835
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: pitched every single game he could have pitched.

836
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if you just took the you're if you

837
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: if you only pitched the best pitchers available, I had

838
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: the best even the best line up that which they

839
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: almost did have the best line and the best bulletin.

840
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: That's what it's saying. The pitching is where you see

841
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: the big drop off as far as quality is concerned.

842
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: But you just said this, bitch, it is it is true.

843
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: They lost the final three to two with a lineup

844
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: would have with Bobby Witt and Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge,

845
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, like they had a ton of star players,

846
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: and they scored two runs in the final.

847
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: And that's where the rent, that's where the random this

848
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: comes in. Of just like, over one hundred and sixty

849
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: two games, that lineup is the best lineup in baseball

850
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: by a lot, by a lot. But over a week

851
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: or three games, anything can happen.

852
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Now we can at the end of this podcast say

853
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent certainty that if Team USA except

854
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: with taking Matt Olsen, they would have won.

855
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: I got a lot of that tonight. I got a lot.

856
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Bryce Harper was having a miserable target that I'm.

857
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Sure until until Harper homeward, he was really, really, really bad.

858
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Speaker 1: And and of course Brayce fans are our audience, and

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Speaker 1: I happened to think in twenty twenty six Medelson is

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Speaker 1: actually better than Bryce Harper. Bryce Harper was an MVP

861
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Speaker 1: at one point and it's still really good. I only

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Speaker 1: I personally think the Medilson is better than Bryce Harper

863
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Speaker 1: right now. But how was Bryce Harper let's see thirty four,

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Speaker 1: thirty three, he'll be thirty four and Olsen's thirty one. Yeah. Also,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter, it's it's apples and or it's

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Speaker 1: you know it is. These guys are really good players.

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Speaker 1: But it would have been I think it would have

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Speaker 1: helped Braves fans if there was a Brave on TMOSA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And Olson, Olsen and Sale would have been the two

871
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Speaker 1: big candidates to do that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Braves would have led snow Pitch.

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Speaker 1: I mean they they technically can't stop him, I don't think,

874
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: but they would have maybe encouraged him not to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he will, he wouldn't have gotten that extension.

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Speaker 1: No, And I think Olson would have been And the

877
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Speaker 1: whole time going in I thought Olson was the best

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Speaker 1: candidate to be on TSA of the Braves. He didn't

879
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: either get asked or take the opportunity to do that.

880
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: Harper's a bigger name STI. Harp's a lot more famous

881
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: Medalson Let's be honest about that. But I'm joking about

882
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm joking about Medalson saving the Day.

883
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: He could have say at the day he's he's pretty good.

884
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know right though, if if we had anybody

885
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: on it on Team USA, it would have been a

886
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: bigger deal around here. Then well we've covered it.

887
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we covered it on talking to about Fox One

888
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: are great partners and but also I know what we

889
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: talked about it. It was always about hey, when's Ronnie playing?

890
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: Hey when's Ozzie playing? It was it's about we we

891
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: are a Braves podcast, and it's like, hey, also, the

892
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: tm USA is at this time, but t bus A

893
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: is not that big of a deal to most people

894
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: until now. I did think tonight, I don't know about you.

895
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: I have my normy friends who are not baled into

896
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: our podcast that like texting about, like, hey, people do

897
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: watch the game. I think that's gonna have a big

898
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: rating tonight TV ratings, Like people people watch the final

899
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: like that was almost certainly happening.

900
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: Crowd in the crowd in.

901
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Miami, Oh my gosh, it was crazy, unreal.

902
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I saw somebody say every w C, every WBC needs

903
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: to be played in Miami. I could not agree more.

904
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Speaker 1: It's not a bad call. Yeah, it would be fun. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: We've gone and on about this. I really enjoyed the tournament.

906
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: I wish the US had won, but provided they didn't

907
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: and they didn't, I am glad Ronnie one because I

908
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: know Ronnie cares about it. He seems very emotional, fired

909
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: up about it. Uh. I think you tweeted this tonight.

910
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: But Ronnie, just just get home safe, just.

911
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: Just we're just celebrate carefully, my friend, celebrate fun my god,

912
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: do it carefully.

913
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: We'll see. We'll see camp in a couple of days. Uh.

914
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: And he looked he looked good in the tournament. He did.

915
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: He looked really good.

916
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: He had a ops in like a thousand and was

917
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: looking like Ronald acun and Junior, which is encouraging. So

918
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: in the next few days we will cover more of

919
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: the Braves, of course, but we'll start to see the

920
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: opening day ish lineups I would imagine, which include Ronnie

921
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: when he comes back to camp. Ozzy is Ozzie's back

922
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: around If he's not already, I think he's our But

923
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: he's already back right. Hassan Kim isn't playing, He's he's

924
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: in camp now. He did some interviews in the last

925
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: couple of days, like it's looking like the team is

926
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: rounding in the form knocking all the wood. Of course,

927
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: we'll see if they add anybody externally TBD, but this

928
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: is the time of year now they could do that

929
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: in the last week. But well, full on predew coverage

930
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: basically starting now. But if you're new to the podcast,

931
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: lock in we had a full winter of coverage, So

932
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: if you want to go back and listen, we won't

933
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: stop you. We encourage you to do that. I would say, Steve,

934
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Speaker 1: anything else to add before we get out of here

935
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Speaker 1: on this Tuesday into Wednesday, No, just one more week.

936
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna be looking for the next week. Obviously,

937
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna finalize the roster. I do want to see

938
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Speaker 2: guys who get cut from other squads, potentially an outfielder

939
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: maybe if they're if they're still in the profar you know,

940
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: replacement business, which I think they should be. Potentially a starter.

941
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: We'll see, you know. The good thing about picking up

942
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: a starter who's already been in camp somewhere else is

943
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: that you're not dealing with that same timeline issue. So

944
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: that's what I'm gonna be looking for the next week.

945
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean we're gonna ramp back up pretty

946
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: much full go starting next week because obviously next week

947
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: is is opening week, so we'll be here.

948
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Speaker 1: We will be here. We'll have at least one more

949
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: show this week and then yeah, full all slit of

950
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: offerings will preview opening day, We'll do the roster breakdowns,

951
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: hot takes, full predict season preview content. It will be

952
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Speaker 1: in place, So please go ahead and lock in right now.

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00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: Correct, that is right. It's it's a much more interesting

957
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Speaker 2: account when the games actually start because we're we're more

958
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Speaker 2: and more, We're made, We're way more focused, get wide.

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Speaker 1: I think Steven is the most consistent braves tighter among

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Speaker 1: my I live.

961
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: To tweet the games basically, uh scott Is.

962
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Scott Is has the biggest following I think of anybody

963
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: of all of us on Twitter, I just talk about

964
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: basketball most of the time, but I do talk about

965
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Speaker 1: baseball one season it starts more so keep it locked

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