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Speaker 1: It's The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: So tonight's Thursday Night football. And I just read a

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Speaker 1: headline today that Keon Coleman second round, top of the

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Speaker 1: second round wide receiver, second round wide receiver they drafted

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. They're gonna bench him again. He's not

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Speaker 1: gonna start again, so he could be a bust. And

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Speaker 1: yet it has absolutely no impact on Josh Allen. And

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Josh Allen. He is the

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Speaker 1: best football player to me on the planet. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the five best football players I've ever seen. Lawrence

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Speaker 1: Taylor's in that group, Jerry Rice probably in that group.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year everybody was talking about Lamar Jackson Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen MVP controversy. Let me put it in perspective, just

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Speaker 1: this year, in the past five weeks. In fact, in

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Speaker 1: the past two months, the Bills are five to zero

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Speaker 1: when Josh has three or more touchdowns. Yet they're zero

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Speaker 1: and three when he scores three or fewer touchdowns. They

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Speaker 1: literally need him to score three touchdowns minimum in the

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Speaker 1: last two months for Josh Allen to just help Buffalo

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Speaker 1: win a game. No franchise that I ever remember has

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Speaker 1: been this quarterback dependent. Oh Lamar Lamar. This year, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens started Tyler Huntley in the game, scored thirty points

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Speaker 1: and beat the seven and three Chicago Bears, and look good.

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Speaker 1: Looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think about how

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Speaker 1: valuable Josh Allen is in the past two months. He's

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Speaker 1: got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Patrick Mahomes was sixteenth in passer rating, only

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Speaker 1: ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went fifteen

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Speaker 1: to two. Because Kansas City, top to bottom does so

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Speaker 1: many things well. Jalen Hurts had the same number of

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins, and they won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl because Philly does so many things well,

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Speaker 1: even Joe Burrow. They couldn't make the playoffs with him.

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Speaker 1: But when he gets hurt, Flacco still comes in and

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Speaker 1: tolls for two hundred and fifty yards. The offense still works.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen has to be superman for Buffalo to just

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Speaker 1: win games. And think about this, and this is one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I thought Josh was the MVP and

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Speaker 1: I out on Lamar Jackson defender. But from two thousand

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Speaker 1: until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good,

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Speaker 1: With Joe Flacco and Trent Dilferd. The Ravens could win

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Speaker 1: super Bowls pre Lamar Jackson with what you consider to be,

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Speaker 1: excuse me. Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game, couldn't win

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Speaker 1: a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference.

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Speaker 1: They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason,

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Speaker 1: not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't

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Speaker 1: just happen in the last two years. They're building it

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Speaker 1: because of Josh Allen. Because the game he played in

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Speaker 1: New England forty five million hour wins and New England

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Speaker 1: they're like, you know this Northeast weather megan in the

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Speaker 1: way of Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, they've won Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: Bill's played tonight on Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: When he's on his you look out. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: But there's a story today, a headline that says the

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Speaker 1: Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 1: So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this.

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Speaker 1: a greater sickness called an offensive plagued for seven years.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh, the coordinator,

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Speaker 1: the running back, the left tackle, they're bad on offense.

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Speaker 1: now with Aaron Rodgers. I have been saying for years,

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Speaker 1: are the Steelers just a more stable version of the

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Speaker 1: coaches leave and are better, they enter, everybody shrinks. Think

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Speaker 1: John Who's Pro Bowl Miami last year, Steelers bring him in.

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Speaker 1: you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers to

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Speaker 1: understand six to seven The Jets and the Steelers. Talented

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Speaker 1: and shine. John news Smith, Kevin Dotson, DK Metcalf, George Pickens.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter the quarterback is. You can all blame

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It's not an Aaron Rodgers issue. That's why

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Speaker 1: I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped

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Speaker 1: into the Pittsburgh Steelers quickstand right now. This year, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in

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Speaker 1: ball to him? I have been defending Aaron all year saying,

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Speaker 1: like that's those are the money shots for this offense.

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Speaker 1: They have enormous size. So it's just very interesting. People

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Speaker 1: looked at the DK Metcalf signing and went, oh, sort

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Speaker 1: of like Tyreek Hill, Oh, he's gonna change everything in Miami.

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Speaker 1: Not outcomes. DK Metcalf gonna change everything. The Steelers have

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Speaker 1: Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink,

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Speaker 1: He's lost in Pittsburgh. So Aaron wants to play this week.

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Speaker 1: Aaron is gonna do it if he's healthy. But everybody's

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Speaker 1: pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: He's the type of guy and has the type of profile.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't require a lot of physical work and an

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Speaker 4: Aaron and again, as I mentioned, the variables are stabilizing

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Speaker 4: protect himself, brace himself as he falls, et cetera. Pain tolerance,

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't seem to be an issue with Aaron.

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Speaker 4: He wanted to go back in the game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it did this again. DK Metcalf is just

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Speaker 1: a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying

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Speaker 1: issue offensively, last six seven years, bottom five offense. How's

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Speaker 1: you start looking at Kevin Dotson and you'd start looking

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Speaker 1: at Metcalf shrinking and George Pickens exploding and John Husmith's shrinking.

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Speaker 1: They've had different coordinatorst it, different quarterbacks, they bring it

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Speaker 1: And it's also a team that tends to get worse

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Speaker 1: It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: very I mean he's up for the Heard Big Jay

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Speaker 1: Journalism Award. A journalist has come out J Mack and

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Speaker 1: he's saying, listen, I've been covering this Philadelphia Eagle team

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Speaker 3: An ink stained wretch, is just voicing. You know, listen,

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Speaker 3: this is the climate we're in, though, Colin. Right now, honestly,

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's his goal.

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Speaker 3: We got an animated cow herd today, and I get spicy.

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Speaker 3: Let's get started with Caleb Williams and your Chicago Bears, Colin.

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Speaker 3: They are the most unlikely division leader at this point

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Speaker 3: in dire straits Colin the Kansas City Chiefs. Boy, people

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Speaker 3: Just outright, twenty four to twenty twenty one to twenty.

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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if Indy won this game.

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Speaker 1: This is a stay away game for me. It's a

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Speaker 1: stay away game. I think Indy Offha Bye is good.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me about this game is I think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get a bit of a shootout because the

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Speaker 1: Colts with that on line in that run game off

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Speaker 1: of Bye are going to score. And I think Kansas

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Speaker 1: City against that Colts back and I'm interested to see

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner now has been in the system for a

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Speaker 1: few weeks. I'm interested to see what Sauce does with

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Speaker 1: the Colts. This game is a really interesting game.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of zone from the Colts, which could

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Speaker 3: make Sauce very dangerous. Long arms, good instincts. Just be careful,

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Speaker 3: Chiefs fans. Final story is not great from the New

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Speaker 3: York Giants. I'm Dual Carter. This kind of flew under

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Speaker 3: the radar. Colin He was benched early against the Packers

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Speaker 3: and report surfaced that he basically was in a recovery

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Speaker 3: session instead of being in a team meeting. There was

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Speaker 3: another report that he was asleep and missed a walkthrough.

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Speaker 3: Ab Dual Carter finally talked about it, the number one

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Speaker 3: pick out of Penn State. I feel like it's not

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Speaker 3: how you start, it's how you finish. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: finish strong. This is on the heels of Dan Campbell,

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Speaker 3: the Lions coach, saying he's sensing a fresh energy from

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Speaker 3: Giants interim coach Mike Kafka. Obviously Lions are big favorites Colin.

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Speaker 3: I do want to add one of the reports that

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Speaker 3: Brian Dable this was happening with ub Dual Carter earlier

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Speaker 3: this year, and Dabel was just like, okay, fine, get better.

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Speaker 3: But he didn't bench you, Davie trying to keep his job.

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Speaker 3: So Kafka comes in, I'm ruling with an iron fist.

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Speaker 3: You're not doing this on my watch.

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Speaker 1: Well, the knock on Kafka was that he was pro player,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of presents, So maybe this is

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Speaker 1: Kafka showing people upstairs. This is Mike Kafka saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if I'm named coach, none of this nonsense is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: So I do think when you're an interim coach, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, you're the substitute teacher trying to impress the

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Speaker 1: principle you want to make sure the student's still the principal.

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Speaker 1: In the lunch room. Man, we were like, mister Brady's

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Speaker 1: really really good. This is Mike Kafka knowing hearing his

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Speaker 1: weakness is He's not really a burst through the door

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Speaker 1: hold player Accountable doesn't have a Brable shot on Peyton presence,

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Speaker 1: and maybe he's trying to show a little of that

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Speaker 1: to the guys upstairs, the owner and Joe Shane.

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Speaker 3: And at the same time, I'm gonna give Dabel a

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Speaker 3: pass for not benching him because Dabell's fighting for his

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Speaker 3: job and we all have done crazy stuff to fight

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Speaker 3: for our job, like Dabel wants to stay in point.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go on record, I think Brian Dable's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a head coach in the NFL next season.

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Speaker 1: So do I.

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think Robert Sala for the Niners

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Speaker 1: is I think I think Sala and da Ball are

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Speaker 1: both getting another shot. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Or Dabel could go to college if he wants, there

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Speaker 3: are colleges interested in him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, J mckle the news, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. I

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Speaker 1: don't get this take at all Pat forty. I know

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Speaker 1: Pat is a sportswriter covers college football. The headline of

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Speaker 1: the story is Lane Kiffin's coaching circus is sabotaging Old

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Speaker 1: Missus great college football playoff dream Lane Kiffer and is

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Speaker 1: under contract at ole Miss until twenty thirty one. He

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Speaker 1: has no obligation to publicly sign an extension on All

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Speaker 1: Missus terms. Well, Kurt Signetti, Kurt Signetti doesn't have Lane

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Speaker 1: Kiffin's leverage. Kurt Signetti is not being recruited by NFL teams.

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin is. Lane Kiffin can go pro or college.

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Speaker 1: Matt rule came out. Matt Ruhle doesn't have Lane Kiffin's leverage.

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Speaker 1: Do you know how rarely college football coaches have leverage?

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Speaker 1: Almost never? So if Lane's got a little leverage and

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Speaker 1: he's under contract until twenty thirty one, he's the reason

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Speaker 1: Ole Miss you're on. He's the reason All miss is

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Speaker 1: relevant today. He doesn't have to on all Missus terms

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Speaker 1: when he's under contract for five more years, come out

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Speaker 1: on your terms. Absolutely not. He's got no obligation to

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Speaker 1: do that. And coaches never have leverage. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know why he has leverage because Florida fired their coach,

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Speaker 1: Billy Napier in season, and LSU fired their coach in season.

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Speaker 1: Lane didn't do that. Lane didn't create it. So Lane,

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Speaker 1: because LSU and Florida fired their coaches, Lane has to

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Speaker 1: change how he views contract extension talk what that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Blame Florida at LSU, But Lane Kiffin, there's no obligation.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know who's going to ruin

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Speaker 1: Old Missus playoffs, Ohio State or Georgia. They'll do it

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Speaker 1: for him because they're not beating either of those teams.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this is so strange to me. This

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Speaker 1: is the idea that he's sabotaging this season. Let me

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Speaker 1: just tell you this. In any profession, if you have

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Speaker 1: five years left on a contract, you're under no obligation

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Speaker 1: to announce publicly. Hey I'm staying forever. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't I understand why Old miss is doing it because

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Speaker 1: they've very rarely been this successful and they're terrified. But

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's job is to coach football and win games,

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Speaker 1: not to appeal or appease or play CAI administrators. You

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Speaker 1: got him under contract for five years. That here was

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt yesterday and Lane's future and he thinks he's leaving.

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Speaker 8: If he wanted to stay, he would stay and we

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Speaker 8: would have already known it. Look at all the other

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Speaker 8: coaches around the country that have said their staying or

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Speaker 8: signed extensions. And Ole Miss, I know, has told him

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Speaker 8: money is not a factor here. Whatever you get offered,

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Speaker 8: we will match it. So it's not that he's gonna

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Speaker 8: make more somewhere else, which is starting to lead me

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Speaker 8: to believe. And again I will fully own I have

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Speaker 8: been all over the map on this and Lane, but

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Speaker 8: Lane is a unique cat. Now I don't know if

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Speaker 8: he can come back to old Miss. You can't lead

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Speaker 8: him on for this long. And then now there's going

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Speaker 8: to start to be animus, like why aren't you signing

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Speaker 8: an extension? What's the problem? And I think he's going

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Speaker 8: to Florida.

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Speaker 1: Now he may go to Florida. I think Florida is

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Speaker 1: a better job than LSU. But I'll say this again.

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Speaker 1: So Joel's first comments were, well, the other guys are

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Speaker 1: doing it. When the Mariner signed Robinson Canoe to a

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Speaker 1: ten year deal, did everybody else have to sign their

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Speaker 1: all star infield er to a ten year deal? When

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns guaranteed all that money for Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: why do I have to as a GM say well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guarantee my money to a quarterback. Since

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Speaker 1: when do the Cleveland Browns dictate terms? Since when does

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Speaker 1: old Miss administrators dictate terms? You're lucky to have him,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, he's gonna get offer after offer after offer

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Speaker 1: and after offer. If Florida and LSU don't fire their coaches,

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Speaker 1: would you know, we wouldn't be in this situation. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let somebody else dick tate my terms. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I'm winning every day, I'm delivering. That's all

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Speaker 1: I care about, and that's all Miss should care about.

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Speaker 1: Shadur Sanders starting this weekend. I'm so fascinated by this,

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Speaker 1: not because of Shadure, because of his delusional fan boys,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Phil sim stops by two. So Shadeur Sanders is going

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Speaker 1: to start against the Raiders. I like Cleveland to win.

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Speaker 1: There's something called the Strissand effect. It's when somebody tries

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Speaker 1: to hide news and it ends up making it a

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Speaker 1: bigger story. That's that's what the Cleveland Brown conspiracy theorists

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Speaker 1: believe is happening. That Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry are

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Speaker 1: trying to barry Shader Sanders, and therefore these conspiracy theorists think, no,

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Speaker 1: you're not. We're gonna make it a bigger story. Dear

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Speaker 1: Chaduer Truthers, ask yourself, what does Cleveland or the NFL

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Speaker 1: have to benefit by sabotaging Shador Sanders. Number One, Young

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Speaker 1: fans like him. Week one of the season, he had

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Speaker 1: a top five jersey. He had good ratings in college.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of interesting. I'm interested. Very few mediocre quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: or bad quarterbacks I care about. He's won, He's got

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Speaker 1: some charisma. His dad was a superstar the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: NFL has made and they did this years ago when

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones complained about Tony Romo getting hit so hard

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Speaker 1: that They've really wrapped their quarterbacks in like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like saran wrap, to protect them. You can't hit the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you can't drive them into the ground. They don't like

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Speaker 1: quarterback injuries. They want thirty two interesting teams. And right

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Speaker 1: now we've got ten teams. I won't count Miami because

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Speaker 1: I still think offensively they're interesting. But now that Penix

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Speaker 1: is out, Atlanta's one of them. We have ten unwatchable teams.

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Speaker 1: We have ten unwatchable teams. Like the bottom of the NBA.

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Speaker 1: The quarterbacks is so valuable now. If you don't have

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Speaker 1: the right quarterback, you're unwatchable. And so they want I mean,

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Speaker 1: the newspaper industry may be dying, but not the Herd Herald.

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Speaker 1: Here are the two headlines the NFL wants Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: They would Cleveland would love this in the NFL. Would

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Speaker 1: Shadure looks prime time? Sanders throws three touchdowns against the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: And if that one's not good enough, how about this

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Speaker 1: one shoudure enough? Sanders right fit for Cleveland. Okay, The

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Speaker 1: funny thing about this conspiracy theory, it's got four stages.

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Speaker 1: There's been four different conspiracies. The first one was he

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Speaker 1: dropped to the fifth round. The league is against him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna buy into that one. The second one was, well,

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Speaker 1: he's on the scout team. He's behind Dylan Gabriel. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The third one was, oh, so, now the Cleveland cops

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Speaker 1: are in on it. They gave him two speeding tickets,

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Speaker 1: so now you have the NFL, Kevin Stefanski and law

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Speaker 1: enforcement are all in on it. And then the fourth

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Speaker 1: one was, I mean, how can you play him? He

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Speaker 1: didn't get any reps with the first team. Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 1: won a game without a practice in Minnesota. Okay, stop,

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Speaker 1: You've got cops in on it, the league in on it,

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Speaker 1: the fans ski in on it, the GM in on it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the truth, and conspiracy theories begin when you just

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Speaker 1: don't like the truth. The truth is he's immature, that's indisputable,

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Speaker 1: and he's not that good. I'm rooting for him because

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Speaker 1: I don't root against young people. Even Baker Mayfield when

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Speaker 1: I used to whack him for Johnny Manziel, I always

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Speaker 1: wanted him to win. I want him to be good.

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Speaker 1: You watch the one o'clock window. You ever watch the

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Speaker 1: one o'clock window on Red zone. It gets ugly fast.

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Speaker 1: They don't put the good quarterbacks in the one o'clock window.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's playing later, Lamar Mau Holmes. They're not at

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Speaker 1: the one o'clock window very often, right, so Caleb increasingly

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Speaker 1: they want to get him out of the one o'clock window.

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Speaker 1: So here is Shaduur on his start against the Raiders.

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Speaker 9: I know our fans have a lot of expectations in Hope,

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Speaker 9: and I would be doing a disservice to myself, in

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Speaker 9: disservice to the organization if I didn't feel like I

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Speaker 9: am the guy with the circumstances. Everything up and that's great,

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Speaker 9: you know. I like pressure in life. I'm just excited

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Speaker 9: for everything.

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Speaker 1: This is a bizarrely fascinating game that the NFL can

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Speaker 1: put up the Browns and the Raiders, and I want

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Speaker 1: to watch it. My guess is he looks very good

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Speaker 1: on some plays. I always thought he was more mobile

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Speaker 1: than all the all the NFL draft Guruz gave him

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Speaker 1: credit for. We saw him spin move this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit more mobile than people think.

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Speaker 1: I also think he throws a pretty ball. I thought

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Speaker 1: he had to throw it to the ends on this weekend.

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Speaker 1: That should have been a touchdown and he would have

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Speaker 1: capped off the comeback. So and I also think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna throw some really bad picks because he tends to

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Speaker 1: hold on to the ball too long. And I also

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Speaker 1: think he runs backwards, which he did in college. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a totally mixed bag. I

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Speaker 1: do think he's got the best defense in this game,

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Speaker 1: and that gives him a real chance to win. Probably

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Speaker 1: why I would take him. I like his coach better

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Speaker 1: and I like his defense better. So I think Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: gonna win with him. But he's going to run backwards

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Speaker 1: on more than one occasion. It drives Stefanski crazy. And

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Speaker 1: he's also going to throw a really bad pick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just but that's the reality of young quarterbacks. But I

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Speaker 1: do think he's more talented than the fifth round I

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Speaker 1: always did. But you can't deny he's been immature. The

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Speaker 1: speeding tickets, you know, legendary tanking, pre draft interviews. You know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be you gotta do better than that. I

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Speaker 1: have a lot on this topic. I just want to

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Speaker 1: share this. Diana Russini on her podcast dropped this, so

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Speaker 1: we all know. JJ McCarthy is struggling. He's got the

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Speaker 1: lowest passer rating in the NFL for a starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: like by a lot. He's last in completion percentage TDD,

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Speaker 1: interception ratio passer rating among thirty three qualified quarterbacks. No

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Speaker 1: reason to bury the kid. But he's not great at all.

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Speaker 1: But she said, there's an interesting line here. But more

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Speaker 1: than that, it's the vibes around him all season have

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Speaker 1: been weird. From how he was really doing in camp.

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Speaker 1: It was like they were hiding or suppressing information to

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Speaker 1: the fact that Carson Wentz we discovered was actually trying

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Speaker 1: to play through a torn labrum before finally going on

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Speaker 1: IR and then suddenly JJ McCarthy was healthy enough to

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Speaker 1: play once again, it does feel weird. And now I've

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Speaker 1: said play him until the end of the season. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason to not play. But this does, This does

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Speaker 1: Diana Russini's opinion here does validate and double down on

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Speaker 1: a truth. If he was a cornerback, a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: a week side linebacker, or a safety, I wouldn't care

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Speaker 1: as much about his slow start. I would be willing

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Speaker 1: to be more patient. But the reason I'm so brutal

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Speaker 1: on Johnny Manziel or Baker Mayfield or Cam Newton or

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Speaker 1: a JJ McCarthy is. Quarterback is the position that everybody

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Speaker 1: relies on, including the coach, to eat in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Over my lifetime, it's become almost almost positionless. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is lebron whatever? They need that night shooter distributor

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Speaker 1: three four. But even parents with their children will name

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Speaker 1: a specific child to be executor of the will. They

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Speaker 1: feel he or she's better with money, assets, and responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Even a parent has a hierarchy in the will for

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Speaker 1: their own kids. And that's the reality of pro football

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Speaker 1: college two but more pro football quarterbacks have to be

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Speaker 1: more mature, faster, and the weird thing doesn't play. And

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Speaker 1: for the record, Caleb Williams, bo Nicks Drake may are

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Speaker 1: durable and nobody wants to hear this, and it sounds unfair,

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Speaker 1: but JJ McCarthy could have twenty seven starts already and

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Speaker 1: he's got five. So one of the reasons people worried

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Speaker 1: about Panix, uh oh, he's hurt again. And Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 1: the number one concern was durability. He's hurt again. So

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Speaker 1: some of this is if JJ was coming in light

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Speaker 1: in the world on fire, you could stomach the durability issues,

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Speaker 1: but it's the weird stuff the durability. He's struggling, and

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Speaker 1: it's unfair. But quarterbacks different maturity matters, Starting quickly matters,

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Speaker 1: durability matters. It just all matters, more.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind if I got a little flaky outside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: corner got a little ego. Can't have a quarterback like that.

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Speaker 1: Just care. It's unfair, but it's true. Greg co sellneck