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Speaker 1: This is episode forty three of Native Landpod, where we
Speaker 1: give it to you directly our breakdown of all things
Speaker 1: politics and cultures. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Angelu Ray,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillum. I think I get at least one
Speaker 1: of the three of those points correct. Either of them
Speaker 1: are going to show up.
Speaker 4: I'm in the South, baby, It's the dirty South. It's
Speaker 4: the dirty, dirty South.
Speaker 5: Gross, yeah, will take it.
Speaker 6: Welcome.
Speaker 4: Hey, I don't mind country.
Speaker 7: I know you don't you our country.
Speaker 1: I love the country food, mostly.
Speaker 8: Because country and southern.
Speaker 6: You know, it's very different.
Speaker 4: It is different.
Speaker 7: My grandmother used to try to say I'm not country,
Speaker 7: I'm Southern.
Speaker 6: I was like, girl, you actually.
Speaker 1: Your grandma probably was southern.
Speaker 7: No, this is granny, this is this was Eddie Rye's mom.
Speaker 7: She could be very countrysometime it might have been a
Speaker 7: little sitty, but she was also very country.
Speaker 4: Andrew Southern, I am.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: All these trees are down, this stuff pops up around.
Speaker 1: Allergies for me around weird times. So who knows that
Speaker 1: you know a little a little, a little teer here
Speaker 1: and there.
Speaker 4: But mostly all things are good.
Speaker 1: How are you on your part of the country, your
Speaker 1: side of the country.
Speaker 8: I'm good.
Speaker 5: I am eager to talk about a lot of things today.
Speaker 5: You did say a little tear here and there, so
Speaker 5: I don't want you to think I didn't hear that
Speaker 5: we're thumbtacking that.
Speaker 8: I want to go back to that.
Speaker 5: A lot of people talk about our mini pod last week,
Speaker 5: and so I.
Speaker 4: How many last week?
Speaker 8: Well, we talked about like emotional stuff.
Speaker 1: We could throw that in the conversation too, because I
Speaker 1: didn't get the feedback. In fact, why don't we What
Speaker 1: is on your mind? I know there's a lot percolating
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, but TIF what's up for you?
Speaker 5: I definitely want to talk about the debate, obviously, the
Speaker 5: vice presidential debate, but I.
Speaker 8: Think we have to give a little bit of time
Speaker 8: to this war.
Speaker 5: You guys know, I've been talking about this for weeks now,
Speaker 5: maybe months, saying how nervous I am that at some
Speaker 5: point Iran is going to respond and then the United
Speaker 5: States will be pulled into a war. And that is
Speaker 5: definitely percolating. But first and foremost, I definitely want to
Speaker 5: talk about the debate because we all have very different
Speaker 5: takes on it.
Speaker 8: So I'm eager to get into that.
Speaker 4: Angela, what's up with you?
Speaker 7: All I want to talk about is the debate because
Speaker 7: this name of a five seconds left in this election. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I'm waking up at this point in the middle
Speaker 7: of the night, like I am so very anxious about
Speaker 7: lots of about this election.
Speaker 5: I've been on the stable end of some of Angela's
Speaker 5: anxiety about this election.
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's gonna have to tune it out because I
Speaker 7: ain't shutting it down no more.
Speaker 5: It's been impacting my hope, and so I want to
Speaker 5: address all the all our feelings around here.
Speaker 7: We can address it. I just I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 7: I cannot hide it. It's written all over my face,
Speaker 7: has written all over, my spirit has written all over,
Speaker 7: my sleep has written in my nasal passages. At this point,
Speaker 7: let's get into it, okay, And there are there are
Speaker 7: There's something that I think that we can do to
Speaker 7: be additive to saving this democracy, and that is hitting
Speaker 7: the road, which we are doing.
Speaker 6: So I'm excited about that too.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I always find out about where we're going and what
Speaker 5: we're doing on the show.
Speaker 4: On the show.
Speaker 1: Person asking for I don't want the advanced lead. You're like, look,
Speaker 1: just give it to me.
Speaker 8: I would rather the audience, like, y'all learning when I'm learning.
Speaker 5: We having an authentic experience conversation on native lamp PID,
Speaker 5: so we're gonna be surprised together. Text and I'm not
Speaker 5: looking at it until I hear it.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I'm saying I'm getting text. I just
Speaker 7: told you all about the text.
Speaker 8: Was Oh, I see. I thought you were saying we're texting,
Speaker 8: that's where we're going. I'm like, no, I want to
Speaker 8: hear it.
Speaker 6: Y'all focus on this show. I want to text you
Speaker 6: on the side right now.
Speaker 1: Guess what listeners and hosts alike we're about to learn
Speaker 1: as we're in the show. Can we start to I
Speaker 1: want to first bring us up to speed about what
Speaker 1: we are hearing knowing on On the pod, we talked
Speaker 1: about last week where we took a little bit of
Speaker 1: a diversion from politics, which will not be this episode.
Speaker 4: We will stay in politics, but took a.
Speaker 1: Little diversion and talk a little bit of heart mind body, spirit,
Speaker 1: soul in our.
Speaker 5: Really brief about that because I know we want to
Speaker 5: get to the debate, but I just it was a
Speaker 5: quick break from politics and it was well received. And
Speaker 5: I think sometimes, you know, we forget that we are full,
Speaker 5: you know, rounded, full human beings, and I think people
Speaker 5: appreciate when we talk about our humanity, which also impacts
Speaker 5: our pol which I think played out a little bit
Speaker 5: on the stage last night. Can I can I jump
Speaker 5: into the debate because I want to talk about.
Speaker 6: Can I just ask one question orients? Andrew?
Speaker 7: You literally last episode were evacuated. Oh yes, And I
Speaker 7: just want to take a moment to acknowledge not only
Speaker 7: what may have happened for you in Tallahassee, but the
Speaker 7: folks all over the country, including in Asheville, North Carolina.
Speaker 7: We just send our prayers to y'all, and whatever we
Speaker 7: can do, please let us know, Please send us comments,
Speaker 7: let us know what's happening.
Speaker 6: If you all let us know you're okay.
Speaker 7: I know they talked, They talked about phone lines being
Speaker 7: impacted and things being down. Andrew, how did you all fare?
Speaker 7: And is everything okay here? What is that?
Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking both Angela and Tiffany, and for
Speaker 1: your putting up with me, as I was sort of
Speaker 1: balancing all the frustrations of all the moving objects. The
Speaker 1: reason why it is so jolting for us in this
Speaker 1: part of the country. And I would say, up through Ashville,
Speaker 1: through North Carolina, through the parts of the country that
Speaker 1: received the greatest impact from this storm, we're not usually
Speaker 1: the places. I mean, you hear about North Carolina being
Speaker 1: impacted by a hurricane, you hear about Florida being impacted
Speaker 1: by hurricane Rarely, ever, are these the parts of those
Speaker 1: states that get direct impacts. And so when we start
Speaker 1: hearing things like, oh, direct impact ten miles from where
Speaker 1: your house is of a category for hurricane or even worse,
Speaker 1: the news I was hearing at the time that we
Speaker 1: were you know we were recording was a direct impact,
Speaker 1: meaning this the eye of the storm coming directly over
Speaker 1: where it.
Speaker 4: Is you live.
Speaker 1: It sends real nerves through us. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: while we were unnerved here down closer to the coast,
Speaker 1: the panangular coast here in Florida, I have to imagine
Speaker 1: places like Asheville, North Carolina, we're even all the less
Speaker 1: ready for a storm of this kind of impact. We're
Speaker 1: talking about places whose trees never get shaken quite that way, right,
Speaker 1: and so when trees get shaken that way and storm
Speaker 1: water surge starts to come into those areas at ten
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty feet, you're talking about lives being lost. Forget
Speaker 1: about land and property because you just you just have
Speaker 1: to go with what it, you know what is, but
Speaker 1: but real lives being put at stake. And I think
Speaker 1: the last that heard there had been this may have
Speaker 1: been one of the most significant storms as it relates
Speaker 1: the loss of life that many of these areas have
Speaker 1: ever seen, have ever seen. And so, like you, my
Speaker 1: heart goes out to those who have been, you know,
Speaker 1: terribly impacted. We had a excuse me, a tree in
Speaker 1: our backyard that came down from our house, and then
Speaker 1: there's just you know, debris everywhere. But I have to say,
Speaker 1: by and large, by comparison, Tallahassee escaped what could have
Speaker 1: been the worst of these impacts. But just to our east,
Speaker 1: not just lost of life, but land, you know, property.
Speaker 1: These things can be replaced. But but just consider for
Speaker 1: a lot of these folks, they just had not prepared
Speaker 1: for that scale, that scale and that impact of storm.
Speaker 1: My heart does go out to those in Georgia and
Speaker 1: North Carolina and in all those places that have been
Speaker 1: impacted by this storm, and that with those folks who
Speaker 1: were still missing that my hope is maybe they were
Speaker 1: able to get out relocate and just because of lines
Speaker 1: being down and communication being really unsettled, that weren't able
Speaker 1: to communicate that. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 1: I hope folks who are out there, who are in
Speaker 1: the zone of impact will write to us, can email us,
Speaker 1: can send a video, can say what their needs are.
Speaker 1: Because it's certainly this close to the election, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of unsettling. But just in the in the state of.
Speaker 4: People's lives, everyday lives, there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of unsettling, and I'm prayerful that that that
Speaker 1: that folks will get the help that they need when
Speaker 1: they need it.
Speaker 4: With that being said, you know, I'll kick it.
Speaker 5: Back, Yes, I'll be really quick because I know people
Speaker 5: are eager to hear about the debate, but I just
Speaker 5: want to on the storm. And so you all have
Speaker 5: heard us talk about Latasha Brown on this show many times.
Speaker 5: She and Cliff Albright run the group Black Voters Matter.
Speaker 5: They are instrumental in saving American democracy. And they were
Speaker 5: just honored this week in DC at an event. So
Speaker 5: it's like all these donors there and Latasha saying and
Speaker 5: just gave this beautiful speech. Cliff gave wonderful remarks. And
Speaker 5: when they show on their list of like if you
Speaker 5: give this much, this is what this money goes for.
Speaker 5: And on the list they had generators and they asked
Speaker 5: did they ask the audience do you see anything here
Speaker 5: that stands out to you? And somebody shouted out generators
Speaker 5: and they talked about seeing people's humanity and that is
Speaker 5: something I think that it's so crucial to us as
Speaker 5: black people. We are not your political commodity every two
Speaker 5: or four years. And I think with Latasha and Cliff,
Speaker 5: they you know, they could not go to someone's door
Speaker 5: and encourage them to vote and those people are suffering,
Speaker 5: or if they say, well, where were you when we
Speaker 5: were in need? And so the gap that they feel
Speaker 5: and the work that they do on the ground is
Speaker 5: tangible and felt, and so it is beyond just voting
Speaker 5: with them. They show up and say, hey, black people,
Speaker 5: we see you, and we want to make it easy
Speaker 5: and inviting for you to participate in this democracy. So
Speaker 5: as you were talking about the folks that need that
Speaker 5: is not lost on me. I think that's so crucial.
Speaker 5: I want to hop it to the debate, yes, because
Speaker 5: one I don't know if a lot of people watch
Speaker 5: the debate, and I don't think that anybody shows up
Speaker 5: to the debate that the debate is gonna make move
Speaker 5: them one way or another. You know, I think people
Speaker 5: kind of tune in if it's in their background, and
Speaker 5: people probably just don't watch vice president's debate. What I
Speaker 5: took away from the debate is how much Donald Trump
Speaker 5: has changed the political landscape. And I say that because
Speaker 5: everybody wants a SoundBite. Now, everybody wanted a punch counter
Speaker 5: punch people. You know, the analysis afterwards where you know
Speaker 5: a lot of people felt like, oh, Waltz should have
Speaker 5: done this or said this, And because jd. Vance was
Speaker 5: able to speak in sound bites, it gave the false
Speaker 5: impression that he was prepared or he just looked better.
Speaker 5: And I just thought, man, how do we get to
Speaker 5: a place where if somebody lies but puts it in
Speaker 5: a prettier package that that's okay. And I thought, in
Speaker 5: the analysis, if everybody who was doing post debate analysis
Speaker 5: instead of talking about how articulate he was or how
Speaker 5: well he spoke in sound bites. I wonder what would
Speaker 5: have happened if they just simply fact checked that almost
Speaker 5: every answer he gave was a lie. I don't really
Speaker 5: care that Waltz wasn't speaking in sound bites, you know.
Speaker 5: I thought he had some clippable moments, but that's It's
Speaker 5: kind of like our entire politics are just trivialized to
Speaker 5: what is clippable for Instagram, TikTok, the eleven o'clock news
Speaker 5: and the twenty four hour cable news networks, and not
Speaker 5: the substance of it. So I was really frustrated watching
Speaker 5: that because I'm like, wow, we are really in Donald
Speaker 5: Trump's America. Where if walt had said, you know, well,
Speaker 5: we'll screw you because I, you know, went to the
Speaker 5: Springfield and you don't know what you're talking about, people
Speaker 5: are like, yay, he got it, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 5: But there was actually a lot of substance in there.
Speaker 5: So I liked that it was that he had more
Speaker 5: things to say that were actually accurate. So just I
Speaker 5: have specific points, but I just thought in the general
Speaker 5: style of it that was Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder I thank you for inviting that, because I
Speaker 1: think that I know we want to get a break
Speaker 1: in here soon, but but I appreciate us maybe each
Speaker 1: opening just a moment about some of the telegenic nature
Speaker 1: that debates seemed to be sort of flowing. Because I
Speaker 1: had a very similar reaction one yes to Donald Trump
Speaker 1: effect on debates, which is, now, if folks are on
Speaker 1: throwing blows and leveling one another with insult, then it
Speaker 1: can't be an interesting debate or it's boring, right like
Speaker 1: we're back to, oh, the politics as usual. And then
Speaker 1: number two, this this idea that if you look telegenic enough,
Speaker 1: and if you deliver the line with a good enough
Speaker 1: smile or grand or glance, that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all of your past is a race. Like nothing you
Speaker 1: said up unto this moment matters other than what you
Speaker 1: said just in those two minutes or sixty seconds of
Speaker 1: a response. And I do think it's important that remind
Speaker 1: that we remind each other, that we remind society, certainly
Speaker 1: our listeners, that that's not really what the debates are
Speaker 1: supposed to be made of, and that certainly isn't what
Speaker 1: the totality of a candidate is made of is how
Speaker 1: well they delivered in a particular performance. Now, I could
Speaker 1: be downrating this because of all the other stuff that
Speaker 1: I want to say about what I experienced in that debate,
Speaker 1: But just pulling back and looking very optically at this
Speaker 1: whole thing, it's mind boggling that we could really resolve
Speaker 1: that because I delivered a nice line that what I
Speaker 1: said and contradiction to it, and how I have voted
Speaker 1: and acted and conducted myself contrary to what I just said,
Speaker 1: and the years leading up to this moment up until
Speaker 1: I hit this stage no longer matters because I delivered
Speaker 1: a nice wink at the end of that of the
Speaker 1: sixty second line, Angela, do you have any broad thoughts
Speaker 1: before we hit a break on on just sort of
Speaker 1: the what debates have become?
Speaker 7: It seems I would love to answer that question on
Speaker 7: the other side of a break, so I can start
Speaker 7: with a clip, seriously, make up some of the monotony,
Speaker 7: and we got it. Yeah, we got a lot of sound.
Speaker 7: So if we can hit this break and start with sound,
Speaker 7: I think we're good. We've got to pay some bills,
Speaker 7: y'all will be our best.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 9: Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that
Speaker 9: on the abortion policy, specifically, that we have a big
Speaker 9: country and it's diverse, and California has a different viewpoint
Speaker 9: on this than Georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.
Speaker 9: And the proper way to handle this, as messy as
Speaker 9: democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.
Speaker 9: Let the individual states make their born policy.
Speaker 7: Okay, so I wanted to play that because Tiff talked
Speaker 7: about Donald Trump's America, Andrew you talked about someone able
Speaker 7: to deliver a line. Jd Vance in this debate almost
Speaker 7: had me when he talked about his friend who had
Speaker 7: this experience where she needed to get an abortion to
Speaker 7: get out of a relationship that was violent. And then
Speaker 7: he started twisting and turning in the wind. He started
Speaker 7: saying that he thinks that they should be full in
Speaker 7: support of full family. He started talking about that things
Speaker 7: should be up to the states. Now, I want to
Speaker 7: contextualize this with some things. The first thing is, after
Speaker 7: this debate performance last night, Donald Trump goes on to
Speaker 7: Trump up to Trump's social is really what it should
Speaker 7: be called, but truth social and says that he would
Speaker 7: veto a national abortion band. But here are the facts
Speaker 7: around this. In March of this year, the Republican Study Committee,
Speaker 7: which is a part of the House Republican Cocket Conference,
Speaker 7: said that they want that They endorsed a national abortion
Speaker 7: ban with zero exceptions for rape or incest.
Speaker 6: The Republican Study Committee eliminated support for IVF treatment. The
Speaker 6: Republican Study Committee endorses banning how do you say this drug?
Speaker 6: Mephy prestoned.
Speaker 7: I did not know that's how you say it, but
Speaker 7: either way, the FDA approved safe and effective medication that
Speaker 7: has been on the market now for twenty years. This
Speaker 7: is the same Republican Party and their candidate at the
Speaker 7: top of the ticket who has said who has said
Speaker 7: that he supports the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe versus Wade,
Speaker 7: has bragged about it.
Speaker 6: So now all of a sudden, they know that they
Speaker 6: are now centering.
Speaker 7: Themselves in the wombs of women all over this country.
Speaker 7: Now they're saying, you know what, maybe we shouldn't be here,
Speaker 7: Maybe this could cost us selection.
Speaker 6: So they're pivoting.
Speaker 7: And I think what we saw last night was someone
Speaker 7: who could traffic in gaslighting.
Speaker 6: You know this woman who.
Speaker 7: I love you, he says, who needed this treatment, who
Speaker 7: was making that decision for herself. If we substituted out
Speaker 7: abortion for a rectile dysfunction medication, or for women who
Speaker 7: wanted to get boob jobs or Brazilian butt lifts, there
Speaker 7: would be no space for us.
Speaker 6: To even be talking about choice.
Speaker 7: I want to bring to your attention this is the
Speaker 7: same party that had fits about a COVID vaccination being mandatory.
Speaker 6: They want choice, but choice.
Speaker 7: Is convenient for them, and they only want to ensure
Speaker 7: choice when their choices are on the line. But women
Speaker 7: forget about it. So I watched this man twist and
Speaker 7: turn and contort himself around abortion period and say, my
Speaker 7: friend needed this. I understand it, love you, but this
Speaker 7: should be up to the states. That's where we land,
Speaker 7: with all of the restrictions that state. We know where
Speaker 7: the states stand. We could pull up a state chart
Speaker 7: with all of the things they've put up for reproductive justice.
Speaker 7: And you know what, y'all, I'm gonna be honest with
Speaker 7: you personally, this isn't something that I go out and
Speaker 7: be like pro abortion, but I am absolutely pro choice.
Speaker 7: I am absolutely not gonna stand in the way between
Speaker 7: a woman and her doctor and what is in the
Speaker 7: best decision for her. Life, her children's lives, her community,
Speaker 7: her finances. That is not my job and that is
Speaker 7: her business.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so a couple things there. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: we all agree there. And to me, it was very
Speaker 5: obvious that jd. Vance was lying. It was a clear lie.
Speaker 5: Everything he said was a lie, point blank. And I
Speaker 5: wish that the moderators served a role other than question
Speaker 5: asking when he ran for Senate, he ran on a
Speaker 5: national abortion band. Yes, he has said on the record
Speaker 5: to CNN own Manu Rogers that he that he supports
Speaker 5: a national abortion band. This is googleably false. This is
Speaker 5: demonstrably false. Because you brought up the drug that none
Speaker 5: of us know how to say. I think it's methil prestone.
Speaker 8: I didn't know what.
Speaker 5: But I want to say just so you understand and
Speaker 5: so the audience understands, to give context how we even
Speaker 5: got there, as you all know because we've talked about
Speaker 5: it on this show a lot. Trump appointed over two
Speaker 5: hundred judges, many of whom are completely in not qualified
Speaker 5: to be judges. Most of them are overwhelmingly white and male. Now,
Speaker 5: so many people are focused on the Supreme Court, but
Speaker 5: I want to say why the lower courts matter? Because
Speaker 5: when this issue came to the courts, all all of
Speaker 5: the lower courts, who were well overpopulated with Trump appointed judges,
Speaker 5: they were the ones trying to ruling on a case
Speaker 5: trying to outlaw this drug. Now, when you looked at
Speaker 5: their their argument, I'm saying, why this drug should be outlawed,
Speaker 5: it was nonsensical.
Speaker 8: It was absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 5: One of the arguments was that doctors themselves could be
Speaker 5: damaged by handling this true, precisely, it was so utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 5: And this somehow passed the district courts, and then it
Speaker 5: passed the appellate courts, and it went all the way
Speaker 5: to the Supreme Court. Now, the Supreme Court thankfully stopped
Speaker 5: it and said this argument is not realistic, you guys.
Speaker 5: This is something that has to exist for women. But
Speaker 5: they left the door open that this could potentially be
Speaker 5: brought again. When he says that this is the one
Speaker 5: to be the Republican party that cares about families, this
Speaker 5: is googlably and demonstrably false. They do not care about families.
Speaker 5: You can look at their actual policies. But if that's
Speaker 5: too wonky for some people, then why don't you just
Speaker 5: YouTube what Donald Trump himself says when asked about childcare,
Speaker 5: he literally doesn't know what it is. We've talked about
Speaker 5: that at nausea on the show last week. The week before,
Speaker 5: I went through a whole list of things that the
Speaker 5: Republicans have done when it comes to school lunch, when
Speaker 5: it comes to childcare, they do not care about families.
Speaker 5: When he talks about they want to be the party
Speaker 5: of family, we have the pussy grabber in chief himself
Speaker 5: on tape saying all kinds of disgusting things about women.
Speaker 5: They are not the party of family or family values,
Speaker 5: and quite frankly, they have never been. So when I
Speaker 5: heard him say that, I wasn't even upset, Angela, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, I was just looking. It's almost
Speaker 5: laughable now, it is absolutely ridiculous. So I don't know
Speaker 5: who he could possibly sway with that argument, because all
Speaker 5: it takes is thirty seconds to look at where he's
Speaker 5: on his website. On his website, he said in Abortion Nationally.
Speaker 1: To your response, and as angel Lapool's the audio, it
Speaker 1: is they are counting on the fact that they're going
Speaker 1: to have an audience of people who for the first
Speaker 1: time are being able to hear what these people think
Speaker 1: and an undisrupted, uncheckable, unfact checkable environment where basically they're
Speaker 1: going to take each of these guys at what it
Speaker 1: is that they have to say. That's what they were
Speaker 1: counting on last night. And go ahead, Angela, please introduce
Speaker 1: your clip.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wanted to play the audio of where
Speaker 7: jd Vance actually stands on abortion.
Speaker 10: Do you think it will be resolved nationally?
Speaker 3: That's Adrian's He was very serious about it.
Speaker 10: He's like, it's going to be resolved nationally and I
Speaker 10: was like, oh no.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I certainly would like abortion to be
Speaker 9: illegal nationally. A. Don't you know, Adrian's like a smart lawyer, and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he says very clearly, I would like
Speaker 7: abortion to be illegal nationally, which means jd Vance is
Speaker 7: in lockstep with the Republican Study Committee. Jd vance is
Speaker 7: in lockstep with the Heritage found Jason Foundation. Jd vance
Speaker 7: is in lockstep with Donald Trump, his boss. Jd Vance
Speaker 7: is in lockstep with Project twenty twenty five. So I
Speaker 7: just want to is the preface for wrote the preface
Speaker 7: for Yes Right, which very clear as we attacked last
Speaker 7: night's debate, which he didn't get held to account for this.
Speaker 1: Man can't distance himself from the document by which he
Speaker 1: is the prelude to of which he sets up the case.
Speaker 1: And just for folks who are not not clear, that
Speaker 1: Republican study group, that issue that basically is the policy
Speaker 1: center for policy that moves forward through the Congress that
Speaker 1: is bannered by Republicans, that's their study group.
Speaker 4: That is the group that.
Speaker 1: Is the the the the the Congresses go to anytime
Speaker 1: you want to move a particular issue on public policy.
Speaker 1: And let's not forget just two weeks ago, the entirety
Speaker 1: of the US Senate Caucus, with the exception of two members,
Speaker 1: decided they were going to vote against protecting IVF and
Speaker 1: women's access and families access to IVF in the entire country.
Speaker 1: That's what Democrats were attempting to push. So this makeover Act,
Speaker 1: which can't even be considered serious. But because he again
Speaker 1: delivered the line, appearing sincere, that we're supposed to erase
Speaker 1: his public positions on these issues from the moment that
Speaker 1: he was clocked before making those statements, and all of
Speaker 1: his his history as an elected official was supposed to
Speaker 1: be erased. Because can I ask you one question, A
Speaker 1: line well delivered this.
Speaker 5: I'm curious how y'all feel. I know Angela has a
Speaker 5: lot of anxiety around the election. St Angela, I stand
Speaker 5: in my belief she is going to win. I'm not basing.
Speaker 5: I cannot you know, I cannot look at these polls
Speaker 5: every day. I can't look at like the dooms grow
Speaker 5: like I just cannot. So I'm not basing that she's
Speaker 5: going to win on anything except that it's the only
Speaker 5: outcome that my mid can conceive. Right now, I cannot imagine.
Speaker 5: I cannot fathom in America that would re elect this man.
Speaker 5: Having said that, I'm curious from you guys.
Speaker 8: This is going to come down to white women.
Speaker 5: I think black folks will show up like we always
Speaker 5: do and save this democracy like we always do. Fifty
Speaker 5: two percent of white women supported Donald Trump. That number
Speaker 5: went down slightly, I think in twenty twenty. Now I
Speaker 5: wish that they could care about humanity before it became
Speaker 5: the abortion issue. Where do you got given that everything
Speaker 5: Angela just laid out everything you said, Andrew, Given that,
Speaker 5: where do you all think white women will show up
Speaker 5: when it comes to the polls this November?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Can I offer two things? One an observation that even
Speaker 1: though I was pretty critical of the job that Tim
Speaker 1: Waltz did and really mostly just not holding jd Vance
Speaker 1: to account for the things that he has said pretty
Speaker 1: recklessly over the course of this campaign in his public service,
Speaker 1: I will say that the aftermath of the polls that
Speaker 1: were taken the immediacy of in the immediate aftermath of
Speaker 1: the debate, showed his likability, meaning that of VP candidate
Speaker 1: Walls going up by sixteen points even And so while
Speaker 1: he wasn't the combative I'm going to hold your feet
Speaker 1: to the fire, hold you accountable sort of debating candidate,
Speaker 1: in some ways you almost wonder was there's some reverse
Speaker 1: psychology or some psychology that basically said, if he plays
Speaker 1: again the role of the good guy, not the barn burner,
Speaker 1: but the good guy, does that insure him more closely
Speaker 1: to what American people want to see in their vice president.
Speaker 1: So I'll put that as just one observation. The other
Speaker 1: observation that I would make, and this is not to
Speaker 1: be contrariant, it is I do think that every week
Speaker 1: the Harris Walls campaign is going to have to continue
Speaker 1: to show what is forward movement, not treading in place.
Speaker 1: But real forward movement toward the win, whereas I think
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's in his campadre jd Vance can really tread
Speaker 1: in place and feel pretty comfortable treading and just not
Speaker 1: drowning from.
Speaker 4: Week to week.
Speaker 1: And so if I were to use that matrix as
Speaker 1: one for surety as we move closer to the election
Speaker 1: that okay, Democrats are gaining, that we're showing momentum, that
Speaker 1: we're showing movement. I'm not sure that this last week
Speaker 1: does more than treading in place for Democrats. And I
Speaker 1: think that every week between now and election, as more
Speaker 1: and more people go to vote, vote, early, vote, absentie,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth, that forward movement is going
Speaker 1: to have to be shown. And there just aren't enough
Speaker 1: baked into the cake places where we're going to see
Speaker 1: opportunities for real momentum shift. There is not another presidential
Speaker 1: candidate debate, we won't see that well. Just as I
Speaker 1: have applied this logic of forward momentum, I think white
Speaker 1: women are going to want to see forward momentum otherwise, not.
Speaker 8: What do you think they want?
Speaker 5: I'm saying, where do you guys think they will how
Speaker 5: they will show up? Angela, I think it.
Speaker 1: All depends on us on Democrats showing forward movement from
Speaker 1: week to week, not treading in place.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I know that we also canter in place.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna go to another break.
Speaker 7: We're gonna roll some more sound from the debate last night,
Speaker 7: get a little bit more into hopefully our strategy minds
Speaker 7: what we think what well, what we think went wrong,
Speaker 7: and we'll do that on the other side.
Speaker 6: Of the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3: We.
Speaker 6: Here tips tip.
Speaker 7: Let me tell y'all, Let me let me bring y'all
Speaker 7: because they always talk about we'd be podcasting when when
Speaker 7: we're not even recording.
Speaker 6: Let me tell y'all. Tiff is mad right now.
Speaker 7: Because she said we treated her like she was a
Speaker 7: debate debate moderatorlast night. She said, y'all did not answer
Speaker 7: my question about white women, to which I said, well,
Speaker 7: I am not a white woman expert. I want to
Speaker 7: talk to a white woman about what they're gonna do
Speaker 7: now that I think.
Speaker 6: It's the truth.
Speaker 7: And if you talk about my nerves making your nerves bad,
Speaker 7: you making my nerves bad.
Speaker 6: Wonder what they're gonna do, because if they do what
Speaker 6: they did last time. This me, I now can't handle it.
Speaker 8: Well, I thought that.
Speaker 1: They did what they did last time and we still won.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry I said last time. I'm talking about my
Speaker 7: trauma from twenty seventeen.
Speaker 8: But I do hear you.
Speaker 4: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: But but but if they do what they did last time,
Speaker 1: which is vote at the same percentage they have, not
Speaker 1: giving the vote majority to not giving the white women
Speaker 1: majority vote to a Democrat, we still we still can win.
Speaker 7: I think that that is skating on thin ice and
Speaker 7: I appreciate, but I appreciate your perspective on this. I
Speaker 7: would love if you guys don't mind to just play
Speaker 7: one moment where the debate moderators decided to fact check
Speaker 7: and somebody had something to say about it because he
Speaker 7: thought he was going to do style in all fiction.
Speaker 6: Let's road a clip.
Speaker 11: Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield,
Speaker 11: Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who
Speaker 11: have legal status temporary protective Well, Senator, we have so
Speaker 11: much to get to Margaret.
Speaker 9: I think it's important out of the economy than Margaret.
Speaker 9: The rules were that you got in a fact check.
Speaker 1: Account.
Speaker 5: He did not offer anything that was accurate that they
Speaker 5: have the Haitian people in Springfield, Ohio are here under TPS.
Speaker 8: That is that's legal.
Speaker 5: So what he's trying to say is a lie, and
Speaker 5: the fort the main moderators correcting that is necessary.
Speaker 8: What are you there for if you're not going to correct.
Speaker 1: Y'all, we we should all be able to agree that
Speaker 1: if your fight starts with you said you were not
Speaker 1: going to get thank you's.
Speaker 6: I wanted to play this.
Speaker 1: Clips into this conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I love that we're playing clips, playing the.
Speaker 7: Clips and they feeling froggy and they leaping.
Speaker 6: Now, y'all, I told you we needed to run that
Speaker 6: thing back.
Speaker 7: But I wanted to play that clip because it gets
Speaker 7: right to the heart of what Andrew was saying earlier
Speaker 7: about him being able to just present a story. I
Speaker 7: was saying yesterday, even on social media. Listen, when someone
Speaker 7: can just pontificate on fiction and that is more sellable
Speaker 7: than the truth, that is a problem, I will tell y'all.
Speaker 7: I do think jd Vance won on style, clearly. I
Speaker 7: don't think he won on substance because there was no substance.
Speaker 7: You can say whatever you want. I told Jill Stein
Speaker 7: and m they had an after seven agenda. He had
Speaker 7: a ready or not agenda too. You cannot tell people
Speaker 7: based on like in a complete one eighty of everything
Speaker 7: you've ever done and everything you stood for, that you're
Speaker 7: gonna give him the sun to make the room.
Speaker 6: See, I can't say the sun and the.
Speaker 8: Moon and rain.
Speaker 6: You guys know, I just said the room.
Speaker 8: I knew I.
Speaker 6: Sound like Tim Walls last night.
Speaker 7: You know what it must be Jesus, because I was
Speaker 7: on Tim Wall's ass. I said, now, I don't know
Speaker 7: what he's talking about. He's nervous. I want to see
Speaker 7: this notepad. What is he writing down? I was so
Speaker 7: frustrated with him because Jadvan's like, say you baby.
Speaker 5: We were texting, was drawing me. Honestly, I was not frustrated.
Speaker 5: Like to me, I don't think I was fresh. I
Speaker 5: don't think that he lost at all. I don't think
Speaker 5: that JD. Vans won it all. I don't think that
Speaker 5: they changed anybody's minds. I just don't think that the
Speaker 5: vice presidential debate is that consequential. I don't think it
Speaker 5: moved the needle at all.
Speaker 7: But that's the thing I didn't want a debate that
Speaker 7: was a draw, and I would have been so happy
Speaker 7: with Tim Walls that was showing up to interviews.
Speaker 5: Howard from the debate, like did you think that somebody
Speaker 5: is gonna watch that and say, oh, I've changed my mind,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna.
Speaker 7: Wanted to feel excited, tiff. I wanted to be fired up.
Speaker 6: And ready to go, but I was only that.
Speaker 5: This is why I say, are you all trying to
Speaker 5: tell me I am? I'm telling you I'm not a
Speaker 5: policy person. And to me, this is the kind of
Speaker 5: the challenge. Is why I say it's Donald Trump's America
Speaker 5: because it's not a pep rally, you know, like this
Speaker 5: is these are very serious times. And I think when
Speaker 5: you're trying to lay out policy before the America, because
Speaker 5: it's not all going to be precisely, it's consequential, and
Speaker 5: it's not all clippable, it's not all soundbites.
Speaker 6: But you want to.
Speaker 5: Feel like excited, and I think a lot of people
Speaker 5: do that want But it's not about feeling excited. They're
Speaker 5: laying out policy before the American people rally feeling excited.
Speaker 5: Debates are where do you stand on things? In this
Speaker 5: particular case, they have to be liar and you got
Speaker 5: somebody who ain't lying.
Speaker 8: That's the decision.
Speaker 7: The liar was more exciting than the truth teller. And
Speaker 7: that's frustrating because the moderators only fact check twice.
Speaker 6: I think, well, that.
Speaker 8: Dumbley, that was part of the rule.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I dumbley is a word, but I just invented it.
Speaker 6: That you can say it googleable too. That ain't a word,
Speaker 6: but you made it google. I agree to the and
Speaker 6: then what have I been?
Speaker 8: I don't understand. Here's the point. What is the moderator
Speaker 8: there for?
Speaker 5: If you're just gonna ask questions and jade Van says,
Speaker 5: oh no, we're gonna we promise everybody lollipops and rainbows
Speaker 5: and you're not going to fact check.
Speaker 8: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: That's my point. So I just wanted. I wanted. I
Speaker 6: didn't want excitement like church.
Speaker 7: Although although we don't even have this clip, Nick, but
Speaker 7: can you try.
Speaker 6: To pull it.
Speaker 7: There was a moment where somebody took us to church.
Speaker 7: And it's not who has been branded the Party of
Speaker 7: the Saints.
Speaker 6: The Party of the Saints.
Speaker 7: Somehow the Republicans were able to take that label and
Speaker 7: that ain't the truth when I tell you, Tim Walls
Speaker 7: went straight to the Good Book for the scripture that
Speaker 7: that is there. More often than not, there's nothing in
Speaker 7: the Bible that talks about abortion, but there is something
Speaker 7: that talks to us about the least of these.
Speaker 12: I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew
Speaker 12: twenty five forty talks about to the least amongst as
Speaker 12: you do one to me. I think that's true of
Speaker 12: most Americans. They simply want order to it. This bill
Speaker 12: does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who
Speaker 12: do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about
Speaker 12: how we treat other people.
Speaker 7: It was Matthew, it would Matthew twenty five and forty,
Speaker 7: and I literally in my notes I hear, come on, coach,
Speaker 7: I just wanted to acknowledge that that was an excitable moment.
Speaker 7: There were some other moments when he said, you know,
Speaker 7: what's an excitable moment, Let's actually roll it.
Speaker 6: This is where JD.
Speaker 7: Vance was asked, not by the moderators but by Tim Walls,
Speaker 7: if he accepted the results of the election, let's row
Speaker 7: that he.
Speaker 12: Is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would
Speaker 12: just ask that did he lose the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 9: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Speaker 9: Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
Speaker 9: twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 1: That is a damning That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 9: It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
Speaker 9: about sensor ship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that
Speaker 9: there were problems in twenty twenty. We've talked about it.
Speaker 9: I'm happy to talk about it further.
Speaker 5: I love that, So Angela, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like that to me is case closed, Like you won
Speaker 5: the debate, like that's the moment, all this other stuff
Speaker 5: because jd Van stands there and he can, you know,
Speaker 5: articulate a verb and speaking a complete sentence without saying
Speaker 5: twenty times To me, that doesn't mean that he wants
Speaker 5: even on style. He didn't win the debate. To me,
Speaker 5: I wasn't even excited on the other side, Like you know,
Speaker 5: you can get happy excited and need to get angry excited.
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, I felt blah, I was I told
Speaker 8: you I was dozing off, Like I'm dozing off. I
Speaker 8: can't even stay awake on this debate. It just wasn't
Speaker 8: I don't know. It just didn't move me either way.
Speaker 7: I think that they can be used to move things,
Speaker 7: and I think that.
Speaker 6: I hear your point.
Speaker 7: I do think, to Tim Wallas's credit, Andrew, I would
Speaker 7: love to hear what you think.
Speaker 6: But we call him coach.
Speaker 7: He showed up in the fourth quarter of that debate. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he showed up, Like I feel like he was a
Speaker 7: hell of a closer. He was a much weaker opener.
Speaker 7: He was nervous, he seemed rattled, he was taking notes feverishly.
Speaker 6: I just wanted him to be better prepared.
Speaker 7: And my argument for this is they have decided that
Speaker 7: he needed to be taken out of his element, which
Speaker 7: became news.
Speaker 6: He was doing interviews so regularly.
Speaker 7: You cannot take a player out of their element and
Speaker 7: think they're gonna show up game time ready to play.
Speaker 7: So I feel like it literally was his practice the
Speaker 7: first three quarters.
Speaker 6: The fourth quarter, he was like a game on. We
Speaker 6: were like, brother, that time is up.
Speaker 5: I just think that they it did feel like he
Speaker 5: was coached. It did feel first of all, i'd like
Speaker 5: him in his glasses. I felt like, what's the name
Speaker 5: from my girl? Where's his glasses? He can't see without
Speaker 5: his glasses. I'm like, I want to see this man.
Speaker 6: And he didn't have glasses on.
Speaker 8: No, he didn't.
Speaker 6: Oh you're saying, oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Like you need with He looked you know, he looked
Speaker 5: very you know, well poised and positioned and all that.
Speaker 8: But I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5: It's like Tim Walls on a stage at a rally
Speaker 5: is a different person than we saw on the debate stage.
Speaker 5: Not that you know, it moved me either way.
Speaker 6: He was all riddling last night.
Speaker 5: It was given real, don't you think it felt like
Speaker 5: people at the campaign were saying, Hey, go out there
Speaker 5: and do this, and here's you know, here's what you
Speaker 5: say on this, and it's like, you know what, just
Speaker 5: go out there and prove to the country that this.
Speaker 8: Man is a liar and an idiot.
Speaker 6: That's that's it.
Speaker 7: And there were some moments, Andrew, I wanted, I want
Speaker 7: you to weigh in here too, But there were some moments, Yes,
Speaker 7: there were some moments where he.
Speaker 6: Was like, that's just not true.
Speaker 7: Say that as much as you can make sure these
Speaker 7: people aren't getting sweet talk to death, and that would
Speaker 7: have been exciting to me. It's just like and I'm
Speaker 7: not talking about like some people were like he needed
Speaker 7: some knockout punches. I didn't need to see like Mortal Kombat,
Speaker 7: but I did need to see him not be so passive.
Speaker 7: I did appreciate on both sides, both of them say
Speaker 7: like finding compassion.
Speaker 6: JD.
Speaker 7: Walls found compassion despite their inability to find any type
Speaker 7: of gun safety what I call JD.
Speaker 4: Walls which.
Speaker 6: Together, yes, I want to hear Andrew, they.
Speaker 1: Did, and I actually think that that was a little
Speaker 1: bit detrimental.
Speaker 3: You do, I would.
Speaker 1: In some ways, I think that JD. JD Vance needed
Speaker 1: to be left out on an island. I think he
Speaker 1: is not. I don't think we needed him to be
Speaker 1: politically palatable. I don't think we needed to welcome onto
Speaker 1: the society or the land of acceptability. I think that
Speaker 1: he needed to remain on the ostracized island of conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: trafficking and racism, of creating stories that don't exist, and
Speaker 1: being the home state senator who voluntarily puts his constituents'
Speaker 1: lives at risk. He's the guy who invited in the
Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy theories that had children staying home for days,
Speaker 1: that caused Haitians who were here legally to hover in
Speaker 1: their homes afraid to go out because they weren't sure
Speaker 1: what they were going to be intercepted by. He's the
Speaker 1: guy who had the Republican mayor and the Republican governor
Speaker 1: of his state saying, please stop, this is dangerous, Please
Speaker 1: don't come here, because you're a danger to the people
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Who says that to their home state senator, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, happens to be of the same party
Speaker 1: affiliation that they are no one that ought to be
Speaker 1: an ostracized, unacceptable island that you're not welcomed on or
Speaker 1: you're not welcomed off of. And unfortunately, I think some
Speaker 1: of the you know, backslapping and not backslapping, but certainly the.
Speaker 4: Cordiality made it appear that JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is acceptable in polite society, and as far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, he's not acceptable in polite society. We should
Speaker 1: have left his ass on the island that he created
Speaker 1: for he and Donald Trump. But once I get over that,
Speaker 1: I get to I think we can appreciate that yesterday
Speaker 1: was no harm done.
Speaker 4: Necessarily.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like this was game changing in the
Speaker 1: way that harm was done, but it's still my belief
Speaker 1: that every week has to be a week of momentum
Speaker 1: building for the Harris Walls campaign so that we can
Speaker 1: have relative maturrety around the wind. I actually think we're
Speaker 1: going to win by sake of the numbers. What has
Speaker 1: to happen, I think, however, in this race, to avoid
Speaker 1: some of the catastrophe that I think Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: his team are building for, is that the win has
Speaker 1: to be more than by the numbers. I think it
Speaker 1: has to be demonstrable. And the way you get to
Speaker 1: a demonstrable win is by giving people the kind of
Speaker 1: energy and excitement that they want to carry into election.
Speaker 1: There and beyond that they want to stand and fight
Speaker 1: for you because they know that they know that, they
Speaker 1: know that they know that you won this election. And
Speaker 1: you've got to have that kind of feeling when it's
Speaker 1: a demonstrable win. And I think that's what we're in
Speaker 1: the battle for between now and election day, the win
Speaker 1: that is noticeable by everybody, no matter what side of
Speaker 1: the aisle you come down on.
Speaker 8: But you feel like we're going to win.
Speaker 1: I do I think by the numbers. I do believe
Speaker 1: that by the numbers, Kamala Harris and Governor Walls will
Speaker 1: be the winners. What I think we need to avoid
Speaker 1: the kind of election doubt that is necessary still remains
Speaker 1: to be seen at this point.
Speaker 7: For me, Angela, how I asked one question. I have
Speaker 7: Tiff before, so I don't get in trouble. Let me
Speaker 7: answer quickly. I am scared. I'll be scared until two
Speaker 7: weeks out. You know what I'm racing for right now? Honestly,
Speaker 7: is this October surprise?
Speaker 6: Like today? I was like, was October surprised? And now
Speaker 6: Trump is saying he's not.
Speaker 8: He would veto a national workman the October I'm not.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, well we talk about but hold on,
Speaker 7: here's here's my question.
Speaker 6: Really quick.
Speaker 7: Tiff is not going to do this with me, Andrew,
Speaker 7: so please indulge me. She's so rude, Andrew, can you
Speaker 7: please be JD Van so I can tell you what
Speaker 7: the one thing that I wish that Tim Wallas would
Speaker 7: have done last night?
Speaker 6: JD Van, So I can do it. Just start talking,
Speaker 6: b jd Vance and.
Speaker 4: I'm JD Vance.
Speaker 1: I'm too cute by one half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Accepting disruptions in the middle of the debate, my disruptions
Speaker 1: in the middle of the debate.
Speaker 7: Make sure that knows that there's dogs and cats alive everywhere.
Speaker 7: I just want to make sure he knows. I would
Speaker 7: have thrown his ass off at the beginning. I'm so
Speaker 7: happy when it started meowing the beginning.
Speaker 8: No, I'm so happy he did not do that, Angela.
Speaker 7: It would have been the kids would have loved, would
Speaker 7: have been the native lampid.
Speaker 6: Can you guys please vote on this if.
Speaker 7: You would have liked to see sim Walls mail or
Speaker 7: bark at this point talking about these people eating dogs
Speaker 7: and cats.
Speaker 5: That tell us, But that to me is Donald Trump's America.
Speaker 5: Like we have been grossly unserious country. I do not
Speaker 5: want to see the vice president, Angela. I do not
Speaker 5: want to see the vice presidential candidate me. I will
Speaker 5: when at that time, at that very time, they were
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed at Israel and.
Speaker 6: Oh no, she just dropped off. Oh lord, well you
Speaker 6: know why. Let me tell you.
Speaker 7: God took tips mic out so that I could say
Speaker 7: that the vice presidential candidates should have probably mailed in
Speaker 7: this debate, just to throw them off his game.
Speaker 8: Andrew, but I think you got tip.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: I know, Angela mute me, but it still sound buzzy.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you can hear me. I'm just
Speaker 8: trying to say at what was happening at that moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there were one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed
Speaker 5: at Israel. The world was watching this debate to see
Speaker 5: where these men stood on policy. I think that's something
Speaker 5: you all remember when Donald Trump, now, Andrew, you brought
Speaker 5: this up a few weeks ago, when Donald Trump paraded
Speaker 5: the women that Bill Clinton allegedly had stepped outside his marriage, Like,
Speaker 5: that's that level of petty that I think it contributes
Speaker 5: to the dumbing down, quite frankly, of the American electorate.
Speaker 5: And they're not running to appeal to the Twitter base
Speaker 5: and people on Instagram, you know, Like, we got to
Speaker 5: be serious about this.
Speaker 8: So I did not want to.
Speaker 7: Hear him me out and get onbad. But I hear
Speaker 7: you on the point. But here's the only thing that
Speaker 7: I would say to push back on this, y'all. And
Speaker 7: I know we do need to talk about the more
Speaker 7: serious pieces of this war that may be coming or
Speaker 7: it really is happening, especially when you look at Gaza.
Speaker 7: But I would just say, and you're dealing with someone
Speaker 7: who is your opponent is unserious, so you get in
Speaker 7: the head of the un serious opponent. I think you
Speaker 7: just got to do that, you know, like anywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that.
Speaker 1: Could have worked, That could work with the Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like JD. E. Vance came in
Speaker 1: his full I mean, this is the guy that wrote
Speaker 1: hill Billy Elogy that put him centerfold in the minds
Speaker 1: of a bunch of left donors who basically said, we
Speaker 1: need to now go take bus tours through the real
Speaker 1: America and understand this hill Billy elogy thing.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: This is the same guy who then shows up, you know,
Speaker 1: as a vice presidential candidate, no resemblance to the author there,
Speaker 1: and then showing up on a debate stage looking and
Speaker 1: no resemblance to the guy who he was an hour
Speaker 1: just before the And but you had a primal actor
Speaker 1: on stage who I thought was not going to be
Speaker 1: flappable by some one. Frankly, he thought he was far
Speaker 1: above in a debate stage performance. I mean, you couldn't
Speaker 1: have told JD. Vance anything other than he was dominating
Speaker 1: that stage. And the truth is is for his purposes.
Speaker 1: He did do that, but I also think that Walls
Speaker 1: did the job at least that was required of him,
Speaker 1: and that was not to backstep on behalf of the
Speaker 1: Harris Walls campaign. It is we cannot beat the opponent
Speaker 1: with the opponent's tools. I do think that there are
Speaker 1: going to be some you know, the saying that you
Speaker 1: can't dismantle the master siuice using the master's tools.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that was.
Speaker 1: Going to be the way that we were going to
Speaker 1: unmask him. I think the way we unmask him is
Speaker 1: by getting that last minute of the debate and putting
Speaker 1: that goddamn thing in rotation because I think his response
Speaker 1: there makes him unqualified for the presidency and it needs
Speaker 1: to be a rotation period.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, period.
Speaker 7: That's how we undo reduction question.
Speaker 8: Is it time for another break or how we think?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 5: On the other side of this, I want to get
Speaker 5: into the versioning war happening in the Middle East, so
Speaker 5: we'll be right back after this. Great, All right, so
Speaker 5: we're back. I So I kind of want to talk
Speaker 5: about two things here because they're both related.
Speaker 8: First, Andrew, I know you.
Speaker 5: Have thoughts on what's happening we've talked about Iran was
Speaker 5: definitely going to respond to Israel at some point, and
Speaker 5: I just kind of want to kick off the conversation
Speaker 5: this way because we have to first remember what happened
Speaker 5: in the Middle East that while we're here, and why
Speaker 5: why this impacts us. This, to me, Angela is the
Speaker 5: October surprise. This is what I've been worried about. This
Speaker 5: has a direct impact on not only US foreign policy,
Speaker 5: but for were this presidential election. I think Americans get
Speaker 5: really nervous about seeing a woman as a wartime president
Speaker 5: Mexico inaugurated. They are a new president this week who
Speaker 5: happens to be Jewish, by the way, but they are
Speaker 5: now led by a woman.
Speaker 8: It's just time.
Speaker 5: But when it comes to war, I think people who
Speaker 5: are excited to pull the lever for her bristle a
Speaker 5: bit and they, you know, want they don't think that
Speaker 5: women can be hawks, you know, when it comes to war.
Speaker 5: So now that this has happened, this does give me
Speaker 5: a little bit of anxiety. I just don't want a
Speaker 5: full scale war to break out before our elections. Now
Speaker 5: why this matters to us here is because the way
Speaker 5: that this was reported. Now you see the headlines the
Speaker 5: breaking news banner it is Iran attacks Israel. There is
Speaker 5: no mention of what led up to that point. Obviously
Speaker 5: Israel has the right to defend itself. Obviously Israel should exist.
Speaker 5: I also believe Palestine and Shod exists Palestinians, and Palestine
Speaker 5: has the right to defend itself as well. This was
Speaker 5: preceded by attacks from Israel on Lebanon. They were going
Speaker 5: after the leaders of Hesbola and they killed number one
Speaker 5: and two in Hesbula. Why this matters to Iran is Iran.
Speaker 5: They are a proxy for these three uh what the
Speaker 5: US identifies as terrorist groups. So that's Hesbola, the Hutis
Speaker 5: and Hamas. So I say all that to say our
Speaker 5: brother Tanahase and.
Speaker 1: Tiffany, and I know you didn't I know you didn't mention,
Speaker 1: failed to mention or mean not mention this. But the
Speaker 1: attack that took place on Iranian soil of a they
Speaker 1: basically a sovereign country being the home of another sovereign
Speaker 1: country's attack on an individual. Even though they were representatives
Speaker 1: of Hesbala and a higher up within that, within that organization,
Speaker 1: they did in fact carry out that mission on sovereign territory.
Speaker 1: And it also stands to be mentioned that Lebanon, as
Speaker 1: far as I last checked, is a country, uh, that
Speaker 1: is sovereign and his sovereign territory that is right now,
Speaker 1: withstanding actual soldiers from Israel on on their homeland.
Speaker 5: I think that is such crucial context and going into
Speaker 5: this discussion and knowing that Israel attacked these two sovereign lands,
Speaker 5: why this is relevant, Why I want to talk about
Speaker 5: it today. Our brother SONA Hote Coats, is out with
Speaker 5: a new book, The Message. He appeared on CBS Morning News.
Speaker 5: I want you all to take a listen. He was
Speaker 5: on with Gail King. Even though I'm a sports.
Speaker 8: Expert, the football girls, what what is it?
Speaker 6: His name is Nate Broson. He's from the two o six.
Speaker 5: Nate Broson, who is from Seattle, who is a former
Speaker 5: football player.
Speaker 6: Where did he play, tiff.
Speaker 8: He played for the Seattle Commanders.
Speaker 6: I believe that's definitely uh, the Seahawks.
Speaker 7: Are He played for the Seattle He did not play
Speaker 7: for the seat paid play for the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8: He played for the Detroit Lions. Like I said, yes.
Speaker 4: Several times, like you were saying you were Like I.
Speaker 8: Was trying to stay shout out to Nate and Tony.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so take a listen. By the time, what's
Speaker 5: Tony's last name?
Speaker 8: That I know? He's Katie turns Unseman, but I don't
Speaker 8: pronounce his name.
Speaker 6: I don't pronounce it either, But Tony Greek.
Speaker 8: We're gonna I don't know the coopl the coople.
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, pronunciations he's talking. And this is the first
Speaker 5: question from Tony to tana hassee take a listen, Tanahash.
Speaker 13: I want to dive into the Israel Palestine section of
Speaker 13: the books, the largest section of the book. And I
Speaker 13: have to say when I when I read the book,
Speaker 13: I imagine if I took your name out of it,
Speaker 13: took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover
Speaker 13: of the book, the publishing house goes away. The content
Speaker 13: of that section would not be out of place in
Speaker 13: the backpack of an extremist. And so then I found
Speaker 13: myself wondering, why does Tanahashi Coats, who I've known for
Speaker 13: a long time, read has work for a long time,
Speaker 13: very talented, smart guy, leave out so much? Why leave
Speaker 13: out that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to
Speaker 13: eliminate it? Why leave out that Israel deals with terror
Speaker 13: groups that want to eliminate it. Why not detail anything
Speaker 13: of the first and the second intifat of the cafe bombings,
Speaker 13: the bus bombings.
Speaker 3: The little kids blown to bits?
Speaker 13: And is it because you just don't believe that Israel
Speaker 13: in any condition has a right to exist.
Speaker 14: Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined,
Speaker 14: there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
Speaker 14: That's the first thing I would say. I am most
Speaker 14: concerned always with those who don't have a voice, with
Speaker 14: those who don't have the ability to talk. I have
Speaker 14: asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is a single network,
Speaker 14: mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian American bureau chief
Speaker 14: or correspondent who actually has a voice to articulate that
Speaker 14: part of the world.
Speaker 3: I've been a reporter for twenty years.
Speaker 14: The reporters of those who believe more sympathetically about Israel
Speaker 14: and it's right to exist don't have a problem getting
Speaker 14: their voice out.
Speaker 5: The disrespect of that question, I could not believe watching
Speaker 5: this in real time that he posed that question to
Speaker 5: Tanahase that way. It was so out of order Tanahase
Speaker 5: handled it beautifully, but I love the point that he made.
Speaker 5: There is no Palestinian voice. He wants to be that voice.
Speaker 5: Take a listen to this next exchange, and then I
Speaker 5: want to get you guys thoughts.
Speaker 13: Why do the Palestinians have a right to white are
Speaker 13: twenty different Muslim countries.
Speaker 14: I answer is that no country in this world establishes
Speaker 14: its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability
Speaker 14: to exist through force, as America did. And so I
Speaker 14: think this question of right to it Israel does exist.
Speaker 3: It's a fact.
Speaker 14: The question of its right is not a question that
Speaker 14: I would be faced with with any other country.
Speaker 13: But you write a book that delegitimizes the pillars of Israel.
Speaker 13: It seems like an effort to tople the whole building
Speaker 13: of it. So I come back to the question, and
Speaker 13: it's what I struggle with throughout this book. What is
Speaker 13: it that so particularly offends you about the existence of
Speaker 13: a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe place and
Speaker 13: not any of the other states out there.
Speaker 3: There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state.
Speaker 14: I am offended by the idea of states built on ethnocracy,
Speaker 14: no matter where they.
Speaker 3: Are I'm the child of Jim Crow.
Speaker 14: I'm the child of people that were born into a
Speaker 14: country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid.
Speaker 14: I walk over there, and I walk through the occupied territories,
Speaker 14: and I walk down the street in Hebron and a
Speaker 14: guy says to me, I can't walk down the street
Speaker 14: unless I profess my religion. I'm with another path. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 14: I want to go.
Speaker 3: This is very valuably important, it extremely important. Let it
Speaker 3: lay it down. I'm working with.
Speaker 14: The person that is guiding me is a Palestinian whose father,
Speaker 14: whose grandfather and grandmother was born in this town. And
Speaker 14: I have more freedom to walk than he does. He
Speaker 14: can't ride on certain roads, he can't get water in
Speaker 14: the same way that Israeli citizens who live less than
Speaker 14: a mile away from him.
Speaker 3: Again, and why is that?
Speaker 14: Is that?
Speaker 13: Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians.
Speaker 13: They exist in your narrative merely as victims of the Israelis,
Speaker 13: as though they were not offered peace at any juncture,
Speaker 13: as though they don't have.
Speaker 3: A stake in this as well?
Speaker 4: What is their role in the lack of a.
Speaker 14: Pela have a very very moral compass about this, and again,
Speaker 14: perhaps it's because of my ancestry.
Speaker 3: Either apartheid is right or it's wrong.
Speaker 8: Either it's right or it's wrong. Angela.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm so offended at this whole interview. Bravo
Speaker 5: to utanaha See for doing a great job. I'm looking
Speaker 5: forward to finishing the message. But that interview was so
Speaker 5: out of pocket. He's literally asking how Palestinians invited themselves
Speaker 5: to be living under apartheid when nearly fifty thousand, mostly
Speaker 5: women and children, have been murdered. He's asking, well, have
Speaker 5: we considered what they did to deserve that? It is
Speaker 5: so disrespectful. I'm curious, you guys thoughts.
Speaker 7: I really want to apply Tanahse for this interview because
Speaker 7: I was thinking if that were my first question, like
Speaker 7: going back to that initial question from Tony to Koople,
Speaker 7: I believe is how you pronounced his last name.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
Speaker 7: I apologize if there's some disrespect on your name. But
Speaker 7: to as to address the disrespect of that question, he
Speaker 7: says to him, if we were to take your name off,
Speaker 7: take your awards off, take the cover off, take off
Speaker 7: the publishing company, basically erase you and then put this
Speaker 7: material wherever right, like, why do we have to talk
Speaker 7: about erasure? The very point is that he used the
Speaker 7: boldness of his platform, the strength of his name, the
Speaker 7: ability that he's used to make arguments that are common sense,
Speaker 7: to finally help even white folks understand reparations not just
Speaker 7: from the slave trade, but from Jim Crow, but from
Speaker 7: racially restrictive covenance. His brilliance in being able to help
Speaker 7: people understand the nuance of the oppression that folks play
Speaker 7: experience globally is the reason why this book actually works,
Speaker 7: is the reason why there could actually be a cease fire,
Speaker 7: is the reason why there should be peace in that region.
Speaker 7: We don't have to erase him to have that conversation,
Speaker 7: but I applaud him because he showed us the type
Speaker 7: of restraint that we need as people of color in
Speaker 7: this world to make a point about why we deserve
Speaker 7: peace and why we deserve to survive and why we
Speaker 7: deserve to thrive. And I'm saying we with intention, because
Speaker 7: if we don't start saying we with intention, and we
Speaker 7: say that's not my problem because I have to fly
Speaker 7: to get there, and we say that's on my problem
Speaker 7: because I don't have any people in my family who
Speaker 7: are in this area. If we say that's not my
Speaker 7: problem because we don't see its direct impact despite history
Speaker 7: telling us something very different, that is all that is
Speaker 7: wrong with this interview. We have to look at this
Speaker 7: not myopically. We have to look at this not from
Speaker 7: just our economic impact. We have to look at this
Speaker 7: from what courage looks like. We have to It is
Speaker 7: incumbent upon us too. I said earlier, I cannot wait
Speaker 7: to read this book to be stretched, for my blind
Speaker 7: spots to be exposed. And I thank God for him
Speaker 7: being able to sit with the discomfort of nuance, not
Speaker 7: just in this interview, but in going to Palestine himself,
Speaker 7: to see his own privilege and to think about what
Speaker 7: that might mean for the people who have to dwell
Speaker 7: without that privilege.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sow by it. I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 4: That's real.
Speaker 11: You know what.
Speaker 1: Bothers one that made me excited to read Tamahasse's book,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to go out in order immediately when
Speaker 1: we are done from here, but also Tony's intellectual dishonesty
Speaker 1: and the phrasing, the way in which he set the
Speaker 1: art almost as if the Israeli state doesn't deserve to exist.
Speaker 4: Well, when was that proffered?
Speaker 1: I had read the book, but I could conclude pretty
Speaker 1: clearly from what I heard from him he didn't assert.
Speaker 4: He didn't assert that notion at all.
Speaker 1: When did they decide that they don't don't don't deserve
Speaker 1: to be protected and that the two antifadas didn't exist,
Speaker 1: and that they're surrounded in a and a part of
Speaker 1: the world where they're surrounded by enemies.
Speaker 4: Yes, enemies that have been.
Speaker 1: Frankly made useless. Frankly because of the United States intervention.
Speaker 1: We've basically gone on and broken pieces.
Speaker 4: On the backs of the United States.
Speaker 1: Which is really what has me most nervous this October
Speaker 1: surprise potential.
Speaker 3: What has me.
Speaker 1: Most nervous is that it appears that we are prepared
Speaker 1: to be led by the nose into a war right
Speaker 1: before a potential administ well, no, what will be an
Speaker 1: administration change in the United States. So the fact that
Speaker 1: I heard from the White House this morning, we all
Speaker 1: heard the announcer from the White House that not only
Speaker 1: does the US stand to be prepared for Israel to
Speaker 1: now exert a response and that region of the world,
Speaker 1: but plans to come to its aid in a response, Well,
Speaker 1: guess what Israel may say its sites in Iran. But
Speaker 1: Israel by itself cannot level the nuclear capacity of Iran.
Speaker 1: It takes the United States to do that. And even
Speaker 1: if the United States were to do that, it would
Speaker 1: take us ninety days at least to accomplish that mission.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we may be drugged by the
Speaker 1: nose into this conflict right before the before an administration
Speaker 1: change unnerves me at all kinds of levels. And I
Speaker 1: think it is going to handicap Kamala Harris's ability to
Speaker 1: state what her approach would be in the region if
Speaker 1: Joe Biden leads in this direction. This, this, this conversation
Speaker 1: deserves a lot more discussion. There's a lot of nuance
Speaker 1: to it. By God, do I applaud Brother tanahasse Coast
Speaker 1: for the restraint that he and I could hear it
Speaker 1: in the quivering of his voice. He really wanted to
Speaker 1: snatch this man's snow a soul, but he kept it leveled,
Speaker 1: and he kept it to the principalities, and he didn't
Speaker 1: bite on Tony's assertions that he never stated himself, that
Speaker 1: he never sat himself only to get the humanity to
Speaker 1: prevail only so that humanity could prevail in the conversation.
Speaker 1: It was a masterclass and and I and I'm offended
Speaker 1: that that's how this conversation evolved was frankly from a
Speaker 1: bunch of non sequiturs and a bunch of assertions and
Speaker 1: a bunch of statements not made by tanahassee himself, beliefs
Speaker 1: not accredited to him, that he had to basically unbury
Speaker 1: himself from underneath before he could even get to the
Speaker 1: point of the matter.
Speaker 7: And nothing, you know, the one last thing I wanted
Speaker 7: to flag for y'all, It wasn't in the sound by
Speaker 7: set that to full. But at the end of the conversation,
Speaker 7: Tony says to him, well, you're still invited to high Holiday,
Speaker 7: which to me was like our our version of got here.
Speaker 7: You're still You're still no, You're still invited to the cookout.
Speaker 1: And it's like that, I know what you meant, but
Speaker 1: but no, I.
Speaker 7: Was, I was, I was going to make that point.
Speaker 7: I didn't even hear you. I'm sorry, a g. I
Speaker 7: want to hear what you were saying, but I.
Speaker 1: Was just no, I wasn't saying anything angel I was responding.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the I didn't see the interview, so
Speaker 1: you're saying that you're still invited.
Speaker 6: To high holiday. So I was like, but that's my point, right, Like.
Speaker 7: Part of what I love about our show, and I
Speaker 7: was thinking about it driving over here is we hold
Speaker 7: space for nuance.
Speaker 6: We hold the ability.
Speaker 7: To say, wow, I disagree with you, and sometimes it's
Speaker 7: even offensive how much I disagree with you, but I
Speaker 7: still love you, and I still want to cherish and
Speaker 7: hear another perspective. To be someplace where someone is at
Speaker 7: least a professional friend and someone you respect.
Speaker 6: It should not have been minimized to that.
Speaker 7: And I think our responsibility in media is to ensure
Speaker 7: that we can have this dialogue.
Speaker 6: Well why is that your experience? Well what led you
Speaker 6: to that place?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 6: What happened when you were there?
Speaker 7: You've now had an experience with a group of people
Speaker 7: that I've never even heard from that I've never even entertained.
Speaker 6: What did you learn from that?
Speaker 7: And being okay with whatever they say on the other
Speaker 7: side of that.
Speaker 6: It is so important. We live in a world that.
Speaker 7: Is full of the gray. It is not flat and
Speaker 7: black or white. There's so much nuance here. We've got
Speaker 7: to be okay holding that nuance and getting to compromise.
Speaker 7: We are past the debate. But I will say, even
Speaker 7: though I don't want to neutralize the craziness and the
Speaker 7: weirdness that is JD Vance, it is so important to me,
Speaker 7: as someone who worked in politics, for humanity to be
Speaker 7: recentered in our policy making. And that means people on
Speaker 7: both sides of the aisle actually have to come to agreement.
Speaker 7: You can't damn near risk a government shut down every
Speaker 7: time budget comes back up. That cannot continue to happen.
Speaker 7: We've got to hold space and exist in nuance. We
Speaker 7: just do, and that interview shows why we haven't been
Speaker 7: able to.
Speaker 8: I think I just.
Speaker 1: Before you wrapped that, I just wanted to say, but
Speaker 1: you saw what happened there. This wasn't an invitation for
Speaker 1: a nuanced conversation. What happened from out of the gate
Speaker 1: was a drawing of the red line. There was a
Speaker 1: highlighter taken out and he and he pulled that. He
Speaker 1: pulled that highlighter over the red line to exclaim, this
Speaker 1: is not a place you want to cross.
Speaker 4: This isn't a place you want to cross.
Speaker 7: That's what I dangerous. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying to me,
Speaker 7: our space is the exact opposite of that, and I
Speaker 7: want to challenge media organizations, podcasts, people at home agreed
Speaker 7: to exist in the nuance, be okay with the discomfort.
Speaker 7: TIF asked us those questions sometimes, like even earlier, like
Speaker 7: what do you want to what do you think that
Speaker 7: white women are going to do? I don't want to
Speaker 7: sit with that, but I'm glad that she raised it
Speaker 7: to force us to sit with it for the day.
Speaker 8: No, I don't want you that was not my invite.
Speaker 8: I do not want you to sit with that for
Speaker 8: to day.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I mean, I mean asking it so
Speaker 7: that it's not a blind right.
Speaker 8: It's like at ease.
Speaker 1: I think we're victims of our technology right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's I think we're cross talking in this the
Speaker 1: my thing is slow and like you're getting a sentence
Speaker 1: out before I get I'm not in disagreement with any
Speaker 1: of that. I think you're completely right, both of you.
Speaker 1: I just really regret that that conversation jumped off at
Speaker 1: the red line.
Speaker 8: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Exclaiming of the red line.
Speaker 5: Well, there was a Angelo's point about having nuanced. There
Speaker 5: was a much better conversation between Tanahasee and John Stewart,
Speaker 5: and John Stewart is so good at this and he
Speaker 5: talked about like his complicated feelings around everything, and at
Speaker 5: the end he and by the way, this was also
Speaker 5: Tanahasee's birthday where all this was happening.
Speaker 7: Oh my God, to celebrate.
Speaker 8: Him by this man's book.
Speaker 5: But what John Stewart said to him is like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: I know you're going through a lot saying these things
Speaker 5: and releasing this book and Tana has He said, I'm
Speaker 5: sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to say
Speaker 5: what I'm going through is nothing compared to what I
Speaker 5: saw the Palestinian people going through there. So he's not
Speaker 5: asking for any sympathy. You know, he's not as anybody
Speaker 5: playing violin. He is fine going into the fire pit
Speaker 5: and battling intellectually with somebody who takes on a different opinion.
Speaker 5: But I appreciate that he held space for the humanity
Speaker 5: of the Palestinian people and said, yeah, don't don't waste
Speaker 5: your sympathy on me. Think about what they're going through
Speaker 5: every day. It's nothing compared to what I'm going through.
Speaker 5: I will also say I feel like I tried to
Speaker 5: sit in the New hous. A lot of times I
Speaker 5: have more questions than I do answers. But I'm also
Speaker 5: not offended at people disagreeing with me too. I think
Speaker 5: a part of that is well, a part of it
Speaker 5: is I'm never trying to convince somebody else to feel
Speaker 5: how I feel. That's that's not ever my intention. I
Speaker 5: don't think y'all tell me if you think I'm wrong,
Speaker 5: if you're like, that's a lie because you were trying
Speaker 5: to convince us all the time. I think my approach
Speaker 5: is here's how I feel, here's based on here's why
Speaker 5: I'm trusted, or here's how I'm informing my opinion, and
Speaker 5: I'm presenting it to whomever, to the audience, to you guys,
Speaker 5: the friends, the group chats, whatever, and then after that
Speaker 5: I'm pretty much like I'm and I'm open to hear
Speaker 5: how you feel. But you can't convince me of something
Speaker 5: that I don't gree or you can't talk me out
Speaker 5: of my experience, or you can't say the thing I
Speaker 5: read isn't true or whatever.
Speaker 8: But I'm not.
Speaker 7: A good conversation for the mini pod, like, are we
Speaker 7: ever trying to convince people? Because y'all know I stay
Speaker 7: trying to go.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, well let's talk about it.
Speaker 8: Edit that out. We're gonna talk about that on mini pod.
Speaker 6: No, don't edit it out. We're gonna use it as
Speaker 6: as a teaser.
Speaker 8: I love.
Speaker 6: We have the new calls.
Speaker 7: To action, you guys, and we have a we have
Speaker 7: a question we never got to but we're definitely really
Speaker 7: deep into this podcast, so maybe that could be in
Speaker 7: our minipop.
Speaker 1: I'll give my call to action to the questioner.
Speaker 6: What's the Oh that's nice, Andrew, Well, I'll yield as well.
Speaker 10: Welcome home, folks. Angela my sister, you know, I love
Speaker 10: you with my whole heart. Andrew home team. Hope you're well.
Speaker 10: My brother Tiffany, I don't know you, but they love
Speaker 10: you so I love you, can't wait to meet you.
Speaker 10: I am actually coming to you today because I have
Speaker 10: a little situation. As some of you may know, have
Speaker 10: a nonprofit mentorship program for young men. But I'm coming
Speaker 10: I'm running into a problem with some of them, them
Speaker 10: who have since you know, they've graduated there in college.
Speaker 10: They're doing their own things, but they don't recognize the
Speaker 10: importance of voting. And I've tried to talk to them.
Speaker 10: I've tried to reason with them. I've explained to them,
Speaker 10: but they are totally uninterested and that breaks my heart.
Speaker 10: It almost feels like I failed them in some way.
Speaker 10: So I need your advice because I'm trying to reach
Speaker 10: these boys, some of them not even registered, and I'm
Speaker 10: trying to get them to where they need to be. Help, help, help,
Speaker 10: love you all.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 7: So, first, I just want to say, TIF, he did
Speaker 7: not mean that. That is Ryan Christopher Reid, who is
Speaker 7: from Gainesville, Florida, Andrew, and I actually really know him.
Speaker 6: He's not just saying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I know y'all, but TIF, I don't do
Speaker 7: you like that? But I love you because they love you.
Speaker 6: It wasn't that you literally when we meet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna make sure you guys meet Ryan christ
Speaker 7: You know, I love your commitment to young people. You
Speaker 7: know on this podcast, we're certainly committed to everybody as well.
Speaker 6: Florida is so critical.
Speaker 7: And I actually want to heal this answer Andrew to
Speaker 7: your sister Tip who said she doesn't try to convince people.
Speaker 6: Convince him, now, Tip, why don't you do that about voting?
Speaker 5: Uhh yeah, so even that, so I've been told and
Speaker 5: you are accused in the past that you know, the
Speaker 5: way I will try to convince people to vote, it's
Speaker 5: like you're shaming them, and you can't shame people in
Speaker 5: the voting. So I stopped doing that, and so I
Speaker 5: want to first acknowledge people's humanity.
Speaker 8: This whole idea that if you don't vote, you don't count,
Speaker 8: that is a lie. Of course you count.
Speaker 5: You count because you are here on this earth, you
Speaker 5: draw breath, you are living life, and we honor and
Speaker 5: support you and want you to be active participants in
Speaker 5: this here democracy. What I would recommend to my new
Speaker 5: friend who I'm looking forward to meeting, is not to
Speaker 5: make it about the election. You know, when I talk
Speaker 5: to people, and sadly it is mostly men. When I
Speaker 5: talk to people who just have no interest in participating
Speaker 5: in democracy.
Speaker 8: What I ask is, well, let's say you.
Speaker 5: Were in charge of this here ten blocks the ten
Speaker 5: block radius. You're now in charge, and that means you
Speaker 5: got to be over trash, pickup school funding, and we
Speaker 5: gonna give you everybody in the neighborhoods. They don't give
Speaker 5: you a pot of money, and you have to make
Speaker 5: sure all these people are well taken care of and
Speaker 5: organize it. That is a completely different conversation because then
Speaker 5: you've given these men agency. Then you have said, okay, well,
Speaker 5: if I'm in charge, this is how I wanted to go.
Speaker 5: And that is what we want to say to people.
Speaker 5: It's not about you believe in the system. We believe
Speaker 5: in you, brothers. We want you to participate in it.
Speaker 5: You have agency over this democracy. That is what voting is.
Speaker 8: What does this.
Speaker 5: Democracy look like if you are its architects? And by
Speaker 5: participating in the system, even if you're just participating in
Speaker 5: it to disrupt, which we hope you do, you have
Speaker 5: to participate in it. You have to understand it to
Speaker 5: be a part of it. So that would be my
Speaker 5: pitch to him to say to these young men, give
Speaker 5: them agency, not you know, oh, the white man system
Speaker 5: needs you to participate in it, because that's gonna turn
Speaker 5: me off too. I'm gonna walk away from that. I've
Speaker 5: survived good and bad administration, So how is this.
Speaker 8: Important to me? But telling you you are crucial and
Speaker 8: integral to how this country functions, I think it's a
Speaker 8: completely different message.
Speaker 7: And not just the country, but even on local and
Speaker 7: state level. Andrew, this is a question about Florida young
Speaker 7: men in particular. I know this is one that strikes
Speaker 7: home for you because, yeah.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 6: Relied on those votes and you needed them at some point.
Speaker 1: And I'm increasingly where Tiffany is. I think I've embraced
Speaker 1: this whole non shaming approach to registration, and I just
Speaker 1: think it's hard to convince people to buy into a
Speaker 1: system that they don't feel as working for them, and
Speaker 1: I think the best way to make it plain is
Speaker 1: to put them in some of the decision making seat.
Speaker 1: I think that's why we need to run people much
Speaker 1: more through what it means to have local and better
Speaker 1: than that almost neighborhood level governance. Like when we reach
Speaker 1: an agreement and everybody says we're not fighting, then we're
Speaker 1: not fighting. That's not how we're settling things here. We
Speaker 1: go into the whatever table and we'll play craps for it,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the decision making is. I may have
Speaker 1: trivialized that, but the point being like, how can I
Speaker 1: convince you to buy into a system that you, for
Speaker 1: as far as you're concerned, have never seen worked for you.
Speaker 1: And maybe what it might take for Chris to do
Speaker 1: and others like him is sit there and break it
Speaker 1: down to a level so that they then get to
Speaker 1: see how it works. So, for instance, we just had
Speaker 1: a hurricane come through here. Do you want an example
Speaker 1: of what it means to have a government that is
Speaker 1: responsive and one that is not prepared to care, couldn't
Speaker 1: care less about how you survive through this thing? Take
Speaker 1: a train by way of example, and then maybe what
Speaker 1: we have happened as a result of this storm in
Speaker 1: this area. The difference here was one of governance. The
Speaker 1: difference here was one of whether or not you have
Speaker 1: people who cared about your existence and those who didn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe take it to a local barbershop, Ask him how
Speaker 1: he opened, Ask him whether what kind of license he
Speaker 1: needed to get that.
Speaker 3: Did he get a.
Speaker 1: Small business loan in order to make that happen? Maybe
Speaker 1: return the question do you have a vision of one
Speaker 1: day owning something?
Speaker 4: And how that might work?
Speaker 1: But I think we've got to make it much more
Speaker 1: applicable to people so that they really people have, truth
Speaker 1: to the Bible, have no clue how much government interferes
Speaker 1: and interacts and intervenes and curates every part of their living,
Speaker 1: of their being. Even the neglect of your life is
Speaker 1: curated by a power, a higher power, largely a government.
Speaker 1: The things you don't have, forget what you do, the
Speaker 1: stuff you could only hope for but never get to
Speaker 1: attain because somebody's a decision that you don't deserve it,
Speaker 1: that those things, those nice things, aren't for you. So
Speaker 1: I just think we do have to go the extra
Speaker 1: model of helping people to see how this thing really interacts,
Speaker 1: interplays and affects their lives. And then you know what,
Speaker 1: once you know better, my grandmama say, you do better.
Speaker 4: So now that you know better, hopefully you will do better.
Speaker 1: Now if you choose after knowing not to do well,
Speaker 1: I've got to say, you got to deserve what it
Speaker 1: is that's coming for you or not coming for you.
Speaker 7: The Lord Saints was mine Ford c two of us?
Speaker 4: Did what about you?
Speaker 6: Tell you?
Speaker 8: I wanted to give it.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll be real quick, said that it was five minutes,
Speaker 6: but go ahead.
Speaker 4: And I'm certain it was probably be No, it wasn't.
Speaker 6: It was tilast She's like, hobby. I was like, this
Speaker 6: is not quick, anyway, to go ahead.
Speaker 8: I'll be quick.
Speaker 5: I was having this how I know our phones listeners
Speaker 5: because I've been having a debate with a mutual friend
Speaker 5: about how dogs are treated, and some people just don't care.
Speaker 5: You all know I care very deeply, and so because
Speaker 5: I was having this debate, I've been getting flooded with
Speaker 5: all of these videos and pleas and emails and everything
Speaker 5: about you know how to treat dogs. So this is
Speaker 5: my cta. Please be kind to animals. I know a
Speaker 5: lot of people have normalized leaving dogs tied up outside
Speaker 5: all day. That is a form of animal abuse. Please
Speaker 5: do not leave your animals inside. There was a hurricane.
Speaker 5: I saw videos there were people's animals who were literally
Speaker 5: chained to a fence and pouring down rain. It is
Speaker 5: so awful, awful, awful, awful. So I would just invite
Speaker 5: people to consider animals. They're smaller, sweeter, kinder than any
Speaker 5: human being can ever be. Pitbulls are my absolute favorite.
Speaker 5: They're the sweetest, kindest dog. I can't stomach animal abuse.
Speaker 5: I literally I can't look at it and have nightmares
Speaker 5: about it. I just I don't like it. So my CTAs,
Speaker 5: Please donate to a SPCA, they do great work. Donate
Speaker 5: to the Humane Society, Foster a dog. Don't go to breeders.
Speaker 5: But if you can give an animal a home, please
Speaker 5: do so. And if you can't, please don't be indifferent
Speaker 5: to the pain and suffering of animals.
Speaker 6: So that's also feels like an appropriate time to bark
Speaker 6: or meal?
Speaker 8: Is that now is an appropriate time? Do you bark?
Speaker 8: Considered a little innocent?
Speaker 5: Cats and dogs all animals though really all animals Like
Speaker 5: I it's so sad to see how people normalize abuse.
Speaker 6: We should bark like and coming to America, well, I don't.
Speaker 5: We can bark, but I don't want to make light
Speaker 5: of animals suffering.
Speaker 8: That's the only thing.
Speaker 5: Being very sincere to the people I want y'all to know,
Speaker 5: I'm sincerely asking you don't be indifferent, even if you
Speaker 5: don't like it, Like I don't understand wo who dislike dogs,
Speaker 5: but don't be indifferent to the suffering. If your neighbor
Speaker 5: keeps a dog tied up outside, that's animal abuse, Like
Speaker 5: that's not okay. So and if you can't make a
Speaker 5: dog a part of your family, then don't get one.
Speaker 6: And please make sure you pick up after your dogs.
Speaker 8: Yes, I know I have been accused of.
Speaker 4: Not scooping theo you leave dogs out.
Speaker 5: I have before, I don't I when I have fostered,
Speaker 5: I have left dog poopoore like.
Speaker 8: I'm not picking up in somebody's yard that I will
Speaker 8: scoop the poop.
Speaker 6: Well, I also get married with people pick up after
Speaker 6: the dog and they put.
Speaker 7: The they put they put the dogs in my trash can.
Speaker 7: I don't want that in my trash can.
Speaker 6: It's nasty and its steak up your trash can.
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