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Speaker 1: Native Land is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home.

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Speaker 4: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode forty three of Native Landpod, where we

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Speaker 1: give it to you directly our breakdown of all things

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Speaker 1: politics and cultures. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Angelu Ray,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillum. I think I get at least one

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Speaker 1: of the three of those points correct. Either of them

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Speaker 1: are going to show up.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the South, baby, It's the dirty South. It's

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Speaker 4: the dirty, dirty South.

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Speaker 5: Gross, yeah, will take it.

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Speaker 6: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I don't mind country.

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Speaker 7: I know you don't you our country.

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Speaker 1: I love the country food, mostly.

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Speaker 8: Because country and southern.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's very different.

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Speaker 4: It is different.

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Speaker 7: My grandmother used to try to say I'm not country,

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Speaker 7: I'm Southern.

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Speaker 6: I was like, girl, you actually.

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Speaker 1: Your grandma probably was southern.

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Speaker 7: No, this is granny, this is this was Eddie Rye's mom.

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Speaker 7: She could be very countrysometime it might have been a

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Speaker 7: little sitty, but she was also very country.

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Speaker 4: Andrew Southern, I am.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: All these trees are down, this stuff pops up around.

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Speaker 1: Allergies for me around weird times. So who knows that

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Speaker 1: you know a little a little, a little teer here

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Speaker 1: and there.

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Speaker 4: But mostly all things are good.

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Speaker 1: How are you on your part of the country, your

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Speaker 1: side of the country.

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Speaker 8: I'm good.

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Speaker 5: I am eager to talk about a lot of things today.

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Speaker 5: You did say a little tear here and there, so

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Speaker 5: I don't want you to think I didn't hear that

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Speaker 5: we're thumbtacking that.

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Speaker 8: I want to go back to that.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people talk about our mini pod last week,

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Speaker 5: and so I.

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Speaker 4: How many last week?

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Speaker 8: Well, we talked about like emotional stuff.

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Speaker 1: We could throw that in the conversation too, because I

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Speaker 1: didn't get the feedback. In fact, why don't we What

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Speaker 1: is on your mind? I know there's a lot percolating

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Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, but TIF what's up for you?

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Speaker 5: I definitely want to talk about the debate, obviously, the

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Speaker 5: vice presidential debate, but I.

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Speaker 8: Think we have to give a little bit of time

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Speaker 8: to this war.

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Speaker 5: You guys know, I've been talking about this for weeks now,

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Speaker 5: maybe months, saying how nervous I am that at some

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Speaker 5: point Iran is going to respond and then the United

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Speaker 5: States will be pulled into a war. And that is

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Speaker 5: definitely percolating. But first and foremost, I definitely want to

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Speaker 5: talk about the debate because we all have very different

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Speaker 5: takes on it.

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Speaker 8: So I'm eager to get into that.

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Speaker 4: Angela, what's up with you?

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Speaker 7: All I want to talk about is the debate because

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Speaker 7: this name of a five seconds left in this election. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and I'm waking up at this point in the middle

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Speaker 7: of the night, like I am so very anxious about

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Speaker 7: lots of about this election.

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Speaker 5: I've been on the stable end of some of Angela's

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Speaker 5: anxiety about this election.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she's gonna have to tune it out because I

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Speaker 7: ain't shutting it down no more.

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Speaker 5: It's been impacting my hope, and so I want to

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Speaker 5: address all the all our feelings around here.

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Speaker 7: We can address it. I just I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 7: I cannot hide it. It's written all over my face,

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Speaker 7: has written all over, my spirit has written all over,

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Speaker 7: my sleep has written in my nasal passages. At this point,

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Speaker 7: let's get into it, okay, And there are there are

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Speaker 7: There's something that I think that we can do to

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Speaker 7: be additive to saving this democracy, and that is hitting

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Speaker 7: the road, which we are doing.

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Speaker 6: So I'm excited about that too.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I always find out about where we're going and what

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Speaker 5: we're doing on the show.

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Speaker 4: On the show.

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Speaker 1: Person asking for I don't want the advanced lead. You're like, look,

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Speaker 1: just give it to me.

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Speaker 8: I would rather the audience, like, y'all learning when I'm learning.

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Speaker 5: We having an authentic experience conversation on native lamp PID,

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Speaker 5: so we're gonna be surprised together. Text and I'm not

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Speaker 5: looking at it until I hear it.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, I'm saying I'm getting text. I just

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Speaker 7: told you all about the text.

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Speaker 8: Was Oh, I see. I thought you were saying we're texting,

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Speaker 8: that's where we're going. I'm like, no, I want to

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Speaker 8: hear it.

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Speaker 6: Y'all focus on this show. I want to text you

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Speaker 6: on the side right now.

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Speaker 1: Guess what listeners and hosts alike we're about to learn

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Speaker 1: as we're in the show. Can we start to I

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Speaker 1: want to first bring us up to speed about what

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Speaker 1: we are hearing knowing on On the pod, we talked

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Speaker 1: about last week where we took a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a diversion from politics, which will not be this episode.

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Speaker 4: We will stay in politics, but took a.

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Speaker 1: Little diversion and talk a little bit of heart mind body, spirit,

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Speaker 5: Really brief about that because I know we want to

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Speaker 5: get to the debate, but I just it was a

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Speaker 5: quick break from politics and it was well received. And

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Speaker 5: I think sometimes, you know, we forget that we are full,

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Speaker 5: you know, rounded, full human beings, and I think people

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Speaker 5: appreciate when we talk about our humanity, which also impacts

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Speaker 6: Can I just ask one question orients? Andrew?

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Speaker 7: You literally last episode were evacuated. Oh yes, And I

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Speaker 7: just want to take a moment to acknowledge not only

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Speaker 7: what may have happened for you in Tallahassee, but the

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Speaker 7: folks all over the country, including in Asheville, North Carolina.

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Speaker 7: We just send our prayers to y'all, and whatever we

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Speaker 7: can do, please let us know, Please send us comments,

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Speaker 7: let us know what's happening.

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Speaker 6: If you all let us know you're okay.

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Speaker 7: I know they talked, They talked about phone lines being

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking both Angela and Tiffany, and for

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Speaker 1: by hurricane Rarely, ever, are these the parts of those

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Speaker 1: hearing things like, oh, direct impact ten miles from where

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Speaker 1: It sends real nerves through us. And I have to say,

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Speaker 1: talking about places whose trees never get shaken quite that way, right,

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Speaker 1: My heart does go out to those in Georgia and

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Speaker 1: Because it's certainly this close to the election, there's a

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Speaker 4: People's lives, everyday lives, there's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of unsettling, and I'm prayerful that that that

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Speaker 4: With that being said, you know, I'll kick it.

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Speaker 5: Back, Yes, I'll be really quick because I know people

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Speaker 5: are eager to hear about the debate, but I just

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Speaker 5: want to on the storm. And so you all have

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Speaker 5: heard us talk about Latasha Brown on this show many times.

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Speaker 5: She and Cliff Albright run the group Black Voters Matter.

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Speaker 5: They are instrumental in saving American democracy. And they were

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Speaker 5: And on the list they had generators and they asked

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Speaker 5: something I think that it's so crucial to us as

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Speaker 5: black people. We are not your political commodity every two

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Speaker 5: they you know, they could not go to someone's door

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Speaker 10: Do you think it will be resolved nationally?

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Speaker 3: That's Adrian's He was very serious about it.

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Speaker 10: He's like, it's going to be resolved nationally and I

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Speaker 10: was like, oh no.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I certainly would like abortion to be

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Speaker 9: illegal nationally. A. Don't you know, Adrian's like a smart lawyer, and.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he says very clearly, I would like

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Speaker 7: abortion to be illegal nationally, which means jd Vance is

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Speaker 7: in lockstep with the Republican Study Committee. Jd vance is

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Speaker 7: in lockstep with the Heritage found Jason Foundation. Jd vance

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Speaker 7: is in lockstep with Donald Trump, his boss. Jd Vance

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Speaker 7: is in lockstep with Project twenty twenty five. So I

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Speaker 7: just want to is the preface for wrote the preface

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Speaker 7: for Yes Right, which very clear as we attacked last

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Speaker 7: night's debate, which he didn't get held to account for this.

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Speaker 1: Man can't distance himself from the document by which he

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Speaker 1: is the prelude to of which he sets up the case.

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Speaker 1: And just for folks who are not not clear, that

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Speaker 1: Republican study group, that issue that basically is the policy

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Speaker 1: center for policy that moves forward through the Congress that

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Speaker 1: is bannered by Republicans, that's their study group.

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Speaker 4: That is the group that.

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Speaker 1: Is the the the the the Congresses go to anytime

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Speaker 1: you want to move a particular issue on public policy.

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget just two weeks ago, the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the US Senate Caucus, with the exception of two members,

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Speaker 1: decided they were going to vote against protecting IVF and

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Speaker 1: women's access and families access to IVF in the entire country.

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Speaker 1: That's what Democrats were attempting to push. So this makeover Act,

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Speaker 1: which can't even be considered serious. But because he again

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Speaker 1: delivered the line, appearing sincere, that we're supposed to erase

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Speaker 1: his public positions on these issues from the moment that

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Speaker 1: he was clocked before making those statements, and all of

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Speaker 1: his his history as an elected official was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be erased. Because can I ask you one question, A

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Speaker 1: line well delivered this.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious how y'all feel. I know Angela has a

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Speaker 5: lot of anxiety around the election. St Angela, I stand

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Speaker 5: in my belief she is going to win. I'm not basing.

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Speaker 5: I cannot you know, I cannot look at these polls

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Speaker 5: every day. I can't look at like the dooms grow

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Speaker 5: like I just cannot. So I'm not basing that she's

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Speaker 5: going to win on anything except that it's the only

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Speaker 5: outcome that my mid can conceive. Right now, I cannot imagine.

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Speaker 5: I cannot fathom in America that would re elect this man.

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Speaker 5: Having said that, I'm curious from you guys.

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Speaker 8: This is going to come down to white women.

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Speaker 5: I think black folks will show up like we always

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Speaker 5: do and save this democracy like we always do. Fifty

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Speaker 5: two percent of white women supported Donald Trump. That number

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Speaker 5: went down slightly, I think in twenty twenty. Now I

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Speaker 5: wish that they could care about humanity before it became

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Speaker 5: the abortion issue. Where do you got given that everything

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Speaker 5: Angela just laid out everything you said, Andrew, Given that,

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Speaker 5: where do you all think white women will show up

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Speaker 5: when it comes to the polls this November?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Can I offer two things? One an observation that even

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Speaker 1: though I was pretty critical of the job that Tim

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Speaker 1: Waltz did and really mostly just not holding jd Vance

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Speaker 1: to account for the things that he has said pretty

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Speaker 1: recklessly over the course of this campaign in his public service,

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Speaker 1: I will say that the aftermath of the polls that

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Speaker 1: were taken the immediacy of in the immediate aftermath of

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Speaker 1: the debate, showed his likability, meaning that of VP candidate

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Speaker 1: Walls going up by sixteen points even And so while

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Speaker 1: he wasn't the combative I'm going to hold your feet

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Speaker 1: to the fire, hold you accountable sort of debating candidate,

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Speaker 1: in some ways you almost wonder was there's some reverse

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Speaker 1: psychology or some psychology that basically said, if he plays

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Speaker 1: again the role of the good guy, not the barn burner,

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Speaker 1: but the good guy, does that insure him more closely

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Speaker 1: to what American people want to see in their vice president.

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Speaker 1: So I'll put that as just one observation. The other

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Speaker 1: observation that I would make, and this is not to

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Speaker 1: be contrariant, it is I do think that every week

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Speaker 1: the Harris Walls campaign is going to have to continue

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Speaker 1: to show what is forward movement, not treading in place.

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Speaker 1: But real forward movement toward the win, whereas I think

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's in his campadre jd Vance can really tread

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Speaker 1: in place and feel pretty comfortable treading and just not

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Speaker 1: drowning from.

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Speaker 4: Week to week.

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Speaker 1: And so if I were to use that matrix as

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Speaker 1: one for surety as we move closer to the election

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Speaker 1: that okay, Democrats are gaining, that we're showing momentum, that

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Speaker 1: we're showing movement. I'm not sure that this last week

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Speaker 1: does more than treading in place for Democrats. And I

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Speaker 1: think that every week between now and election, as more

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Speaker 1: and more people go to vote, vote, early, vote, absentie,

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Speaker 1: so on and so forth, that forward movement is going

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Speaker 1: to have to be shown. And there just aren't enough

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Speaker 1: baked into the cake places where we're going to see

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Speaker 1: opportunities for real momentum shift. There is not another presidential

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Speaker 1: candidate debate, we won't see that well. Just as I

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Speaker 1: have applied this logic of forward momentum, I think white

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Speaker 1: women are going to want to see forward momentum otherwise, not.

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Speaker 8: What do you think they want?

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, where do you guys think they will how

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Speaker 5: they will show up? Angela, I think it.

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Speaker 1: All depends on us on Democrats showing forward movement from

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Speaker 1: week to week, not treading in place.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, I know that we also canter in place.

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Speaker 6: So we're gonna go to another break.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna roll some more sound from the debate last night,

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Speaker 7: get a little bit more into hopefully our strategy minds

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Speaker 7: what we think what well, what we think went wrong,

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Speaker 7: and we'll do that on the other side.

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Speaker 6: Of the break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 3: We.

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Speaker 6: Here tips tip.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell y'all, Let me let me bring y'all

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Speaker 7: because they always talk about we'd be podcasting when when

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Speaker 7: we're not even recording.

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Speaker 6: Let me tell y'all. Tiff is mad right now.

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Speaker 7: Because she said we treated her like she was a

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Speaker 7: debate debate moderatorlast night. She said, y'all did not answer

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Speaker 7: my question about white women, to which I said, well,

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Speaker 7: I am not a white woman expert. I want to

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Speaker 7: talk to a white woman about what they're gonna do

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Speaker 7: now that I think.

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Speaker 6: It's the truth.

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Speaker 7: And if you talk about my nerves making your nerves bad,

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Speaker 7: you making my nerves bad.

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Speaker 6: Wonder what they're gonna do, because if they do what

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Speaker 6: they did last time. This me, I now can't handle it.

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Speaker 8: Well, I thought that.

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Speaker 1: They did what they did last time and we still won.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry I said last time. I'm talking about my

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Speaker 7: trauma from twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 8: But I do hear you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But but but if they do what they did last time,

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Speaker 1: which is vote at the same percentage they have, not

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Speaker 1: giving the vote majority to not giving the white women

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Speaker 1: majority vote to a Democrat, we still we still can win.

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Speaker 7: I think that that is skating on thin ice and

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Speaker 7: I appreciate, but I appreciate your perspective on this. I

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Speaker 7: would love if you guys don't mind to just play

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Speaker 7: one moment where the debate moderators decided to fact check

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Speaker 7: and somebody had something to say about it because he

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Speaker 7: thought he was going to do style in all fiction.

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Speaker 6: Let's road a clip.

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Speaker 11: Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield,

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Speaker 11: Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who

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Speaker 11: have legal status temporary protective Well, Senator, we have so

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Speaker 11: much to get to Margaret.

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Speaker 9: I think it's important out of the economy than Margaret.

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Speaker 9: The rules were that you got in a fact check.

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Speaker 1: Account.

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Speaker 5: He did not offer anything that was accurate that they

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Speaker 5: have the Haitian people in Springfield, Ohio are here under TPS.

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Speaker 8: That is that's legal.

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Speaker 5: So what he's trying to say is a lie, and

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Speaker 5: the fort the main moderators correcting that is necessary.

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Speaker 8: What are you there for if you're not going to correct.

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Speaker 1: Y'all, we we should all be able to agree that

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Speaker 1: if your fight starts with you said you were not

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Speaker 1: going to get thank you's.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to play this.

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Speaker 1: Clips into this conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I love that we're playing clips, playing the.

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Speaker 7: Clips and they feeling froggy and they leaping.

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Speaker 6: Now, y'all, I told you we needed to run that

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Speaker 6: thing back.

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Speaker 7: But I wanted to play that clip because it gets

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Speaker 7: right to the heart of what Andrew was saying earlier

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Speaker 7: about him being able to just present a story. I

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Speaker 7: was saying yesterday, even on social media. Listen, when someone

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Speaker 7: can just pontificate on fiction and that is more sellable

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Speaker 7: than the truth, that is a problem, I will tell y'all.

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Speaker 7: I do think jd Vance won on style, clearly. I

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Speaker 7: don't think he won on substance because there was no substance.

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Speaker 7: You can say whatever you want. I told Jill Stein

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Speaker 7: and m they had an after seven agenda. He had

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Speaker 7: a ready or not agenda too. You cannot tell people

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Speaker 7: based on like in a complete one eighty of everything

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Speaker 7: you've ever done and everything you stood for, that you're

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Speaker 7: gonna give him the sun to make the room.

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Speaker 6: See, I can't say the sun and the.

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Speaker 8: Moon and rain.

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Speaker 6: You guys know, I just said the room.

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Speaker 8: I knew I.

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Speaker 6: Sound like Tim Walls last night.

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Speaker 7: You know what it must be Jesus, because I was

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Speaker 7: on Tim Wall's ass. I said, now, I don't know

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Speaker 7: what he's talking about. He's nervous. I want to see

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Speaker 7: this notepad. What is he writing down? I was so

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Speaker 7: frustrated with him because Jadvan's like, say you baby.

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Speaker 5: We were texting, was drawing me. Honestly, I was not frustrated.

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Speaker 5: Like to me, I don't think I was fresh. I

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Speaker 5: don't think that he lost at all. I don't think

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Speaker 5: that JD. Vans won it all. I don't think that

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Speaker 5: they changed anybody's minds. I just don't think that the

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Speaker 5: vice presidential debate is that consequential. I don't think it

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Speaker 5: moved the needle at all.

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Speaker 7: But that's the thing I didn't want a debate that

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Speaker 7: was a draw, and I would have been so happy

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Speaker 7: with Tim Walls that was showing up to interviews.

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Speaker 5: Howard from the debate, like did you think that somebody

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Speaker 5: is gonna watch that and say, oh, I've changed my mind,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna.

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Speaker 7: Wanted to feel excited, tiff. I wanted to be fired up.

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Speaker 6: And ready to go, but I was only that.

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Speaker 5: This is why I say, are you all trying to

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Speaker 5: tell me I am? I'm telling you I'm not a

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Speaker 5: policy person. And to me, this is the kind of

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Speaker 5: the challenge. Is why I say it's Donald Trump's America

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Speaker 5: because it's not a pep rally, you know, like this

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Speaker 5: is these are very serious times. And I think when

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Speaker 5: you're trying to lay out policy before the America, because

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Speaker 5: it's not all going to be precisely, it's consequential, and

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Speaker 5: it's not all clippable, it's not all soundbites.

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Speaker 6: But you want to.

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Speaker 5: Feel like excited, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 5: do that want But it's not about feeling excited. They're

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Speaker 5: laying out policy before the American people rally feeling excited.

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Speaker 5: Debates are where do you stand on things? In this

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Speaker 5: particular case, they have to be liar and you got

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Speaker 5: somebody who ain't lying.

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Speaker 8: That's the decision.

666
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Speaker 7: The liar was more exciting than the truth teller. And

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Speaker 7: that's frustrating because the moderators only fact check twice.

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Speaker 6: I think, well, that.

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Speaker 8: Dumbley, that was part of the rule.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I dumbley is a word, but I just invented it.

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Speaker 6: That you can say it googleable too. That ain't a word,

673
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Speaker 6: but you made it google. I agree to the and

674
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Speaker 6: then what have I been?

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Speaker 8: I don't understand. Here's the point. What is the moderator

676
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Speaker 8: there for?

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Speaker 5: If you're just gonna ask questions and jade Van says,

678
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Speaker 5: oh no, we're gonna we promise everybody lollipops and rainbows

679
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Speaker 5: and you're not going to fact check.

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Speaker 8: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: That's my point. So I just wanted. I wanted. I

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Speaker 6: didn't want excitement like church.

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Speaker 7: Although although we don't even have this clip, Nick, but

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Speaker 7: can you try.

685
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Speaker 6: To pull it.

686
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Speaker 7: There was a moment where somebody took us to church.

687
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Speaker 7: And it's not who has been branded the Party of

688
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Speaker 7: the Saints.

689
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Speaker 6: The Party of the Saints.

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Speaker 7: Somehow the Republicans were able to take that label and

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Speaker 7: that ain't the truth when I tell you, Tim Walls

692
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Speaker 7: went straight to the Good Book for the scripture that

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Speaker 7: that is there. More often than not, there's nothing in

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Speaker 7: the Bible that talks about abortion, but there is something

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Speaker 7: that talks to us about the least of these.

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Speaker 12: I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew

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Speaker 12: twenty five forty talks about to the least amongst as

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Speaker 12: you do one to me. I think that's true of

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Speaker 12: most Americans. They simply want order to it. This bill

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Speaker 12: does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who

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Speaker 12: do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about

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Speaker 12: how we treat other people.

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Speaker 7: It was Matthew, it would Matthew twenty five and forty,

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Speaker 7: and I literally in my notes I hear, come on, coach,

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to acknowledge that that was an excitable moment.

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Speaker 7: There were some other moments when he said, you know,

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Speaker 7: what's an excitable moment, Let's actually roll it.

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Speaker 6: This is where JD.

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Speaker 7: Vance was asked, not by the moderators but by Tim Walls,

710
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Speaker 7: if he accepted the results of the election, let's row

711
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Speaker 7: that he.

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Speaker 12: Is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would

713
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Speaker 12: just ask that did he lose the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 9: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor

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Speaker 9: Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty COVID situation?

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Speaker 1: That is a damning That is a damning non answer.

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Speaker 9: It's a damning non answer for you to not talk

719
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Speaker 9: about sensor ship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that

720
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Speaker 9: there were problems in twenty twenty. We've talked about it.

721
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Speaker 9: I'm happy to talk about it further.

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Speaker 5: I love that, So Angela, this is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Like that to me is case closed, Like you won

724
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Speaker 5: the debate, like that's the moment, all this other stuff

725
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Speaker 5: because jd Van stands there and he can, you know,

726
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Speaker 5: articulate a verb and speaking a complete sentence without saying

727
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 5: twenty times To me, that doesn't mean that he wants

728
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: even on style. He didn't win the debate. To me,

729
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: I wasn't even excited on the other side, Like you know,

730
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Speaker 5: you can get happy excited and need to get angry excited.

731
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Speaker 8: I'm telling you, I felt blah, I was I told

732
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 8: you I was dozing off, Like I'm dozing off. I

733
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 8: can't even stay awake on this debate. It just wasn't

734
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Speaker 8: I don't know. It just didn't move me either way.

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Speaker 7: I think that they can be used to move things,

736
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Speaker 7: and I think that.

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Speaker 6: I hear your point.

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Speaker 7: I do think, to Tim Wallas's credit, Andrew, I would

739
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Speaker 7: love to hear what you think.

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Speaker 6: But we call him coach.

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Speaker 7: He showed up in the fourth quarter of that debate. Yeah,

742
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 7: he showed up, Like I feel like he was a

743
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 7: hell of a closer. He was a much weaker opener.

744
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Speaker 7: He was nervous, he seemed rattled, he was taking notes feverishly.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted him to be better prepared.

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Speaker 7: And my argument for this is they have decided that

747
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 7: he needed to be taken out of his element, which

748
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Speaker 7: became news.

749
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Speaker 6: He was doing interviews so regularly.

750
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Speaker 7: You cannot take a player out of their element and

751
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Speaker 7: think they're gonna show up game time ready to play.

752
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Speaker 7: So I feel like it literally was his practice the

753
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Speaker 7: first three quarters.

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Speaker 6: The fourth quarter, he was like a game on. We

755
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Speaker 6: were like, brother, that time is up.

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Speaker 5: I just think that they it did feel like he

757
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Speaker 5: was coached. It did feel first of all, i'd like

758
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Speaker 5: him in his glasses. I felt like, what's the name

759
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 5: from my girl? Where's his glasses? He can't see without

760
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Speaker 5: his glasses. I'm like, I want to see this man.

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Speaker 6: And he didn't have glasses on.

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Speaker 8: No, he didn't.

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Speaker 6: Oh you're saying, oh, I'm sorry.

764
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Speaker 5: Like you need with He looked you know, he looked

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Speaker 5: very you know, well poised and positioned and all that.

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Speaker 8: But I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: It's like Tim Walls on a stage at a rally

768
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Speaker 5: is a different person than we saw on the debate stage.

769
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Speaker 5: Not that you know, it moved me either way.

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Speaker 6: He was all riddling last night.

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Speaker 5: It was given real, don't you think it felt like

772
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Speaker 5: people at the campaign were saying, Hey, go out there

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Speaker 5: and do this, and here's you know, here's what you

774
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Speaker 5: say on this, and it's like, you know what, just

775
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: go out there and prove to the country that this.

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Speaker 8: Man is a liar and an idiot.

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Speaker 6: That's that's it.

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Speaker 7: And there were some moments, Andrew, I wanted, I want

779
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Speaker 7: you to weigh in here too, But there were some moments, Yes,

780
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Speaker 7: there were some moments where he.

781
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Speaker 6: Was like, that's just not true.

782
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Speaker 7: Say that as much as you can make sure these

783
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 7: people aren't getting sweet talk to death, and that would

784
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Speaker 7: have been exciting to me. It's just like and I'm

785
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Speaker 7: not talking about like some people were like he needed

786
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 7: some knockout punches. I didn't need to see like Mortal Kombat,

787
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 7: but I did need to see him not be so passive.

788
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 7: I did appreciate on both sides, both of them say

789
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 7: like finding compassion.

790
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Speaker 6: JD.

791
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Speaker 7: Walls found compassion despite their inability to find any type

792
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Speaker 7: of gun safety what I call JD.

793
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Speaker 4: Walls which.

794
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Speaker 6: Together, yes, I want to hear Andrew, they.

795
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Speaker 1: Did, and I actually think that that was a little

796
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Speaker 1: bit detrimental.

797
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Speaker 3: You do, I would.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, I think that JD. JD Vance needed

799
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Speaker 1: to be left out on an island. I think he

800
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Speaker 1: is not. I don't think we needed him to be

801
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Speaker 1: politically palatable. I don't think we needed to welcome onto

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: the society or the land of acceptability. I think that

803
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: he needed to remain on the ostracized island of conspiracy theories,

804
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: trafficking and racism, of creating stories that don't exist, and

805
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: being the home state senator who voluntarily puts his constituents'

806
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: lives at risk. He's the guy who invited in the

807
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy theories that had children staying home for days,

808
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: that caused Haitians who were here legally to hover in

809
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: their homes afraid to go out because they weren't sure

810
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: what they were going to be intercepted by. He's the

811
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: guy who had the Republican mayor and the Republican governor

812
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: of his state saying, please stop, this is dangerous, Please

813
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: don't come here, because you're a danger to the people

814
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: of Ohio. Who says that to their home state senator, who,

815
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: by the way, happens to be of the same party

816
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: affiliation that they are no one that ought to be

817
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: an ostracized, unacceptable island that you're not welcomed on or

818
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: you're not welcomed off of. And unfortunately, I think some

819
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: of the you know, backslapping and not backslapping, but certainly the.

820
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Speaker 4: Cordiality made it appear that JD.

821
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Speaker 1: Vance is acceptable in polite society, and as far as

822
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, he's not acceptable in polite society. We should

823
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: have left his ass on the island that he created

824
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: for he and Donald Trump. But once I get over that,

825
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: I get to I think we can appreciate that yesterday

826
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: was no harm done.

827
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Speaker 4: Necessarily.

828
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like this was game changing in the

829
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: way that harm was done, but it's still my belief

830
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: that every week has to be a week of momentum

831
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: building for the Harris Walls campaign so that we can

832
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: have relative maturrety around the wind. I actually think we're

833
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: going to win by sake of the numbers. What has

834
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: to happen, I think, however, in this race, to avoid

835
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: some of the catastrophe that I think Donald Trump and

836
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: his team are building for, is that the win has

837
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: to be more than by the numbers. I think it

838
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: has to be demonstrable. And the way you get to

839
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: a demonstrable win is by giving people the kind of

840
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: energy and excitement that they want to carry into election.

841
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: There and beyond that they want to stand and fight

842
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: for you because they know that they know that, they

843
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: know that they know that you won this election. And

844
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: you've got to have that kind of feeling when it's

845
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: a demonstrable win. And I think that's what we're in

846
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: the battle for between now and election day, the win

847
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: that is noticeable by everybody, no matter what side of

848
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the aisle you come down on.

849
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 8: But you feel like we're going to win.

850
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: I do I think by the numbers. I do believe

851
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: that by the numbers, Kamala Harris and Governor Walls will

852
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: be the winners. What I think we need to avoid

853
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: the kind of election doubt that is necessary still remains

854
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: to be seen at this point.

855
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 7: For me, Angela, how I asked one question. I have

856
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 7: Tiff before, so I don't get in trouble. Let me

857
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 7: answer quickly. I am scared. I'll be scared until two

858
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 7: weeks out. You know what I'm racing for right now? Honestly,

859
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 7: is this October surprise?

860
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 6: Like today? I was like, was October surprised? And now

861
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 6: Trump is saying he's not.

862
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 8: He would veto a national workman the October I'm not.

863
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, well we talk about but hold on,

864
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 7: here's here's my question.

865
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 6: Really quick.

866
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 7: Tiff is not going to do this with me, Andrew,

867
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 7: so please indulge me. She's so rude, Andrew, can you

868
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 7: please be JD Van so I can tell you what

869
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 7: the one thing that I wish that Tim Wallas would

870
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 7: have done last night?

871
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 6: JD Van, So I can do it. Just start talking,

872
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: b jd Vance and.

873
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 4: I'm JD Vance.

874
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm too cute by one half.

875
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why.

876
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm not.

877
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, ridiculous.

878
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: Accepting disruptions in the middle of the debate, my disruptions

879
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of the debate.

880
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 7: Make sure that knows that there's dogs and cats alive everywhere.

881
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 7: I just want to make sure he knows. I would

882
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 7: have thrown his ass off at the beginning. I'm so

883
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Speaker 7: happy when it started meowing the beginning.

884
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 8: No, I'm so happy he did not do that, Angela.

885
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 7: It would have been the kids would have loved, would

886
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 7: have been the native lampid.

887
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 6: Can you guys please vote on this if.

888
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 7: You would have liked to see sim Walls mail or

889
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 7: bark at this point talking about these people eating dogs

890
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 7: and cats.

891
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 5: That tell us, But that to me is Donald Trump's America.

892
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: Like we have been grossly unserious country. I do not

893
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: want to see the vice president, Angela. I do not

894
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 5: want to see the vice presidential candidate me. I will

895
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: when at that time, at that very time, they were

896
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed at Israel and.

897
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 6: Oh no, she just dropped off. Oh lord, well you

898
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 6: know why. Let me tell you.

899
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 7: God took tips mic out so that I could say

900
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 7: that the vice presidential candidates should have probably mailed in

901
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 7: this debate, just to throw them off his game.

902
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 8: Andrew, but I think you got tip.

903
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 6: No.

904
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 8: I know, Angela mute me, but it still sound buzzy.

905
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 8: I don't know if you can hear me. I'm just

906
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 8: trying to say at what was happening at that moment.

907
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, there were one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed

908
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: at Israel. The world was watching this debate to see

909
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 5: where these men stood on policy. I think that's something

910
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 5: you all remember when Donald Trump, now, Andrew, you brought

911
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 5: this up a few weeks ago, when Donald Trump paraded

912
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 5: the women that Bill Clinton allegedly had stepped outside his marriage, Like,

913
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 5: that's that level of petty that I think it contributes

914
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: to the dumbing down, quite frankly, of the American electorate.

915
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 5: And they're not running to appeal to the Twitter base

916
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 5: and people on Instagram, you know, Like, we got to

917
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: be serious about this.

918
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 8: So I did not want to.

919
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 7: Hear him me out and get onbad. But I hear

920
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 7: you on the point. But here's the only thing that

921
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 7: I would say to push back on this, y'all. And

922
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 7: I know we do need to talk about the more

923
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 7: serious pieces of this war that may be coming or

924
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 7: it really is happening, especially when you look at Gaza.

925
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 7: But I would just say, and you're dealing with someone

926
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 7: who is your opponent is unserious, so you get in

927
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 7: the head of the un serious opponent. I think you

928
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 7: just got to do that, you know, like anywhere.

929
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that.

930
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: Could have worked, That could work with the Donald Trump.

931
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like JD. E. Vance came in

932
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: his full I mean, this is the guy that wrote

933
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: hill Billy Elogy that put him centerfold in the minds

934
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: of a bunch of left donors who basically said, we

935
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: need to now go take bus tours through the real

936
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: America and understand this hill Billy elogy thing.

937
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking.

938
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: This is the same guy who then shows up, you know,

939
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: as a vice presidential candidate, no resemblance to the author there,

940
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: and then showing up on a debate stage looking and

941
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: no resemblance to the guy who he was an hour

942
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: just before the And but you had a primal actor

943
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: on stage who I thought was not going to be

944
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: flappable by some one. Frankly, he thought he was far

945
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: above in a debate stage performance. I mean, you couldn't

946
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: have told JD. Vance anything other than he was dominating

947
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: that stage. And the truth is is for his purposes.

948
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: He did do that, but I also think that Walls

949
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: did the job at least that was required of him,

950
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: and that was not to backstep on behalf of the

951
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Harris Walls campaign. It is we cannot beat the opponent

952
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: with the opponent's tools. I do think that there are

953
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: going to be some you know, the saying that you

954
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: can't dismantle the master siuice using the master's tools.

955
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: I don't think that that was.

956
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: Going to be the way that we were going to

957
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: unmask him. I think the way we unmask him is

958
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: by getting that last minute of the debate and putting

959
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: that goddamn thing in rotation because I think his response

960
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: there makes him unqualified for the presidency and it needs

961
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: to be a rotation period.

962
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, period.

963
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 7: That's how we undo reduction question.

964
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 8: Is it time for another break or how we think?

965
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 6: All right?

966
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 5: On the other side of this, I want to get

967
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: into the versioning war happening in the Middle East, so

968
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 5: we'll be right back after this. Great, All right, so

969
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 5: we're back. I So I kind of want to talk

970
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 5: about two things here because they're both related.

971
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 8: First, Andrew, I know you.

972
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 5: Have thoughts on what's happening we've talked about Iran was

973
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 5: definitely going to respond to Israel at some point, and

974
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: I just kind of want to kick off the conversation

975
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 5: this way because we have to first remember what happened

976
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 5: in the Middle East that while we're here, and why

977
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: why this impacts us. This, to me, Angela is the

978
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 5: October surprise. This is what I've been worried about. This

979
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 5: has a direct impact on not only US foreign policy,

980
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: but for were this presidential election. I think Americans get

981
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: really nervous about seeing a woman as a wartime president

982
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 5: Mexico inaugurated. They are a new president this week who

983
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 5: happens to be Jewish, by the way, but they are

984
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 5: now led by a woman.

985
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 8: It's just time.

986
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 5: But when it comes to war, I think people who

987
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: are excited to pull the lever for her bristle a

988
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 5: bit and they, you know, want they don't think that

989
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 5: women can be hawks, you know, when it comes to war.

990
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: So now that this has happened, this does give me

991
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 5: a little bit of anxiety. I just don't want a

992
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 5: full scale war to break out before our elections. Now

993
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 5: why this matters to us here is because the way

994
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: that this was reported. Now you see the headlines the

995
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 5: breaking news banner it is Iran attacks Israel. There is

996
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 5: no mention of what led up to that point. Obviously

997
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 5: Israel has the right to defend itself. Obviously Israel should exist.

998
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 5: I also believe Palestine and Shod exists Palestinians, and Palestine

999
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: has the right to defend itself as well. This was

1000
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 5: preceded by attacks from Israel on Lebanon. They were going

1001
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 5: after the leaders of Hesbola and they killed number one

1002
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: and two in Hesbula. Why this matters to Iran is Iran.

1003
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 5: They are a proxy for these three uh what the

1004
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 5: US identifies as terrorist groups. So that's Hesbola, the Hutis

1005
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 5: and Hamas. So I say all that to say our

1006
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: brother Tanahase and.

1007
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Tiffany, and I know you didn't I know you didn't mention,

1008
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: failed to mention or mean not mention this. But the

1009
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: attack that took place on Iranian soil of a they

1010
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: basically a sovereign country being the home of another sovereign

1011
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: country's attack on an individual. Even though they were representatives

1012
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: of Hesbala and a higher up within that, within that organization,

1013
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: they did in fact carry out that mission on sovereign territory.

1014
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: And it also stands to be mentioned that Lebanon, as

1015
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: far as I last checked, is a country, uh, that

1016
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: is sovereign and his sovereign territory that is right now,

1017
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: withstanding actual soldiers from Israel on on their homeland.

1018
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 5: I think that is such crucial context and going into

1019
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 5: this discussion and knowing that Israel attacked these two sovereign lands,

1020
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 5: why this is relevant, Why I want to talk about

1021
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 5: it today. Our brother SONA Hote Coats, is out with

1022
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 5: a new book, The Message. He appeared on CBS Morning News.

1023
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: I want you all to take a listen. He was

1024
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 5: on with Gail King. Even though I'm a sports.

1025
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 8: Expert, the football girls, what what is it?

1026
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 6: His name is Nate Broson. He's from the two o six.

1027
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 5: Nate Broson, who is from Seattle, who is a former

1028
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 5: football player.

1029
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 6: Where did he play, tiff.

1030
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 8: He played for the Seattle Commanders.

1031
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: I believe that's definitely uh, the Seahawks.

1032
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 7: Are He played for the Seattle He did not play

1033
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 7: for the seat paid play for the Detroit Lions.

1034
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 8: He played for the Detroit Lions. Like I said, yes.

1035
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: Several times, like you were saying you were Like I.

1036
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 8: Was trying to stay shout out to Nate and Tony.

1037
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so take a listen. By the time, what's

1038
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: Tony's last name?

1039
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 8: That I know? He's Katie turns Unseman, but I don't

1040
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 8: pronounce his name.

1041
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 6: I don't pronounce it either, But Tony Greek.

1042
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 8: We're gonna I don't know the coopl the coople.

1043
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, pronunciations he's talking. And this is the first

1044
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 5: question from Tony to tana hassee take a listen, Tanahash.

1045
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 13: I want to dive into the Israel Palestine section of

1046
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 13: the books, the largest section of the book. And I

1047
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 13: have to say when I when I read the book,

1048
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 13: I imagine if I took your name out of it,

1049
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 13: took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover

1050
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 13: of the book, the publishing house goes away. The content

1051
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 13: of that section would not be out of place in

1052
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 13: the backpack of an extremist. And so then I found

1053
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 13: myself wondering, why does Tanahashi Coats, who I've known for

1054
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 13: a long time, read has work for a long time,

1055
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 13: very talented, smart guy, leave out so much? Why leave

1056
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 13: out that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to

1057
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 13: eliminate it? Why leave out that Israel deals with terror

1058
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 13: groups that want to eliminate it. Why not detail anything

1059
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 13: of the first and the second intifat of the cafe bombings,

1060
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 13: the bus bombings.

1061
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 3: The little kids blown to bits?

1062
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 13: And is it because you just don't believe that Israel

1063
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 13: in any condition has a right to exist.

1064
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 14: Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined,

1065
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 14: there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.

1066
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 14: That's the first thing I would say. I am most

1067
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 14: concerned always with those who don't have a voice, with

1068
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 14: those who don't have the ability to talk. I have

1069
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 14: asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is a single network,

1070
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 14: mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian American bureau chief

1071
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 14: or correspondent who actually has a voice to articulate that

1072
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 14: part of the world.

1073
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: I've been a reporter for twenty years.

1074
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 14: The reporters of those who believe more sympathetically about Israel

1075
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 14: and it's right to exist don't have a problem getting

1076
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 14: their voice out.

1077
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 5: The disrespect of that question, I could not believe watching

1078
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: this in real time that he posed that question to

1079
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 5: Tanahase that way. It was so out of order Tanahase

1080
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 5: handled it beautifully, but I love the point that he made.

1081
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 5: There is no Palestinian voice. He wants to be that voice.

1082
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 5: Take a listen to this next exchange, and then I

1083
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: want to get you guys thoughts.

1084
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 13: Why do the Palestinians have a right to white are

1085
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 13: twenty different Muslim countries.

1086
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 14: I answer is that no country in this world establishes

1087
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 14: its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability

1088
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 14: to exist through force, as America did. And so I

1089
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 14: think this question of right to it Israel does exist.

1090
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: It's a fact.

1091
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 14: The question of its right is not a question that

1092
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 14: I would be faced with with any other country.

1093
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 13: But you write a book that delegitimizes the pillars of Israel.

1094
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 13: It seems like an effort to tople the whole building

1095
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 13: of it. So I come back to the question, and

1096
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 13: it's what I struggle with throughout this book. What is

1097
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 13: it that so particularly offends you about the existence of

1098
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 13: a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe place and

1099
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 13: not any of the other states out there.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state.

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00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 14: I am offended by the idea of states built on ethnocracy,

1102
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 14: no matter where they.

1103
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: Are I'm the child of Jim Crow.

1104
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 14: I'm the child of people that were born into a

1105
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 14: country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid.

1106
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 14: I walk over there, and I walk through the occupied territories,

1107
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 14: and I walk down the street in Hebron and a

1108
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 14: guy says to me, I can't walk down the street

1109
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 14: unless I profess my religion. I'm with another path. No, no, no, no, no,

1110
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 14: I want to go.

1111
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: This is very valuably important, it extremely important. Let it

1112
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: lay it down. I'm working with.

1113
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 14: The person that is guiding me is a Palestinian whose father,

1114
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 14: whose grandfather and grandmother was born in this town. And

1115
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 14: I have more freedom to walk than he does. He

1116
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 14: can't ride on certain roads, he can't get water in

1117
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 14: the same way that Israeli citizens who live less than

1118
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 14: a mile away from him.

1119
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: Again, and why is that?

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00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 14: Is that?

1121
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 13: Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians.

1122
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 13: They exist in your narrative merely as victims of the Israelis,

1123
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 13: as though they were not offered peace at any juncture,

1124
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 13: as though they don't have.

1125
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 3: A stake in this as well?

1126
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 4: What is their role in the lack of a.

1127
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 14: Pela have a very very moral compass about this, and again,

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00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 14: perhaps it's because of my ancestry.

1129
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: Either apartheid is right or it's wrong.

1130
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 8: Either it's right or it's wrong. Angela.

1131
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm so offended at this whole interview. Bravo

1132
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 5: to utanaha See for doing a great job. I'm looking

1133
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 5: forward to finishing the message. But that interview was so

1134
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 5: out of pocket. He's literally asking how Palestinians invited themselves

1135
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 5: to be living under apartheid when nearly fifty thousand, mostly

1136
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 5: women and children, have been murdered. He's asking, well, have

1137
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 5: we considered what they did to deserve that? It is

1138
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: so disrespectful. I'm curious, you guys thoughts.

1139
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 7: I really want to apply Tanahse for this interview because

1140
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 7: I was thinking if that were my first question, like

1141
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 7: going back to that initial question from Tony to Koople,

1142
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 7: I believe is how you pronounced his last name.

1143
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 6: I'm not sure.

1144
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 7: I apologize if there's some disrespect on your name. But

1145
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 7: to as to address the disrespect of that question, he

1146
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 7: says to him, if we were to take your name off,

1147
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 7: take your awards off, take the cover off, take off

1148
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 7: the publishing company, basically erase you and then put this

1149
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 7: material wherever right, like, why do we have to talk

1150
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 7: about erasure? The very point is that he used the

1151
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 7: boldness of his platform, the strength of his name, the

1152
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 7: ability that he's used to make arguments that are common sense,

1153
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 7: to finally help even white folks understand reparations not just

1154
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 7: from the slave trade, but from Jim Crow, but from

1155
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 7: racially restrictive covenance. His brilliance in being able to help

1156
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 7: people understand the nuance of the oppression that folks play

1157
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 7: experience globally is the reason why this book actually works,

1158
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 7: is the reason why there could actually be a cease fire,

1159
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 7: is the reason why there should be peace in that region.

1160
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 7: We don't have to erase him to have that conversation,

1161
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 7: but I applaud him because he showed us the type

1162
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 7: of restraint that we need as people of color in

1163
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 7: this world to make a point about why we deserve

1164
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 7: peace and why we deserve to survive and why we

1165
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 7: deserve to thrive. And I'm saying we with intention, because

1166
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 7: if we don't start saying we with intention, and we

1167
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 7: say that's not my problem because I have to fly

1168
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 7: to get there, and we say that's on my problem

1169
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 7: because I don't have any people in my family who

1170
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 7: are in this area. If we say that's not my

1171
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 7: problem because we don't see its direct impact despite history

1172
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 7: telling us something very different, that is all that is

1173
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 7: wrong with this interview. We have to look at this

1174
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 7: not myopically. We have to look at this not from

1175
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 7: just our economic impact. We have to look at this

1176
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 7: from what courage looks like. We have to It is

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 7: incumbent upon us too. I said earlier, I cannot wait

1178
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 7: to read this book to be stretched, for my blind

1179
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 7: spots to be exposed. And I thank God for him

1180
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 7: being able to sit with the discomfort of nuance, not

1181
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 7: just in this interview, but in going to Palestine himself,

1182
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 7: to see his own privilege and to think about what

1183
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 7: that might mean for the people who have to dwell

1184
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 7: without that privilege.

1185
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sow by it. I'm gonna stop.

1186
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 4: That's real.

1187
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 11: You know what.

1188
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: Bothers one that made me excited to read Tamahasse's book,

1189
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: which I'm going to go out in order immediately when

1190
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: we are done from here, but also Tony's intellectual dishonesty

1191
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: and the phrasing, the way in which he set the

1192
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: art almost as if the Israeli state doesn't deserve to exist.

1193
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: Well, when was that proffered?

1194
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: I had read the book, but I could conclude pretty

1195
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: clearly from what I heard from him he didn't assert.

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 4: He didn't assert that notion at all.

1197
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: When did they decide that they don't don't don't deserve

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: to be protected and that the two antifadas didn't exist,

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01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: and that they're surrounded in a and a part of

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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: the world where they're surrounded by enemies.

1201
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 4: Yes, enemies that have been.

1202
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: Frankly made useless. Frankly because of the United States intervention.

1203
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: We've basically gone on and broken pieces.

1204
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: On the backs of the United States.

1205
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: Which is really what has me most nervous this October

1206
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: surprise potential.

1207
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: What has me.

1208
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: Most nervous is that it appears that we are prepared

1209
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: to be led by the nose into a war right

1210
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: before a potential administ well, no, what will be an

1211
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: administration change in the United States. So the fact that

1212
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: I heard from the White House this morning, we all

1213
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: heard the announcer from the White House that not only

1214
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: does the US stand to be prepared for Israel to

1215
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: now exert a response and that region of the world,

1216
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: but plans to come to its aid in a response, Well,

1217
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: guess what Israel may say its sites in Iran. But

1218
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: Israel by itself cannot level the nuclear capacity of Iran.

1219
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: It takes the United States to do that. And even

1220
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: if the United States were to do that, it would

1221
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: take us ninety days at least to accomplish that mission.

1222
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: So the fact that we may be drugged by the

1223
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: nose into this conflict right before the before an administration

1224
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: change unnerves me at all kinds of levels. And I

1225
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: think it is going to handicap Kamala Harris's ability to

1226
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: state what her approach would be in the region if

1227
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: Joe Biden leads in this direction. This, this, this conversation

1228
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: deserves a lot more discussion. There's a lot of nuance

1229
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: to it. By God, do I applaud Brother tanahasse Coast

1230
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: for the restraint that he and I could hear it

1231
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: in the quivering of his voice. He really wanted to

1232
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: snatch this man's snow a soul, but he kept it leveled,

1233
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: and he kept it to the principalities, and he didn't

1234
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: bite on Tony's assertions that he never stated himself, that

1235
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: he never sat himself only to get the humanity to

1236
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: prevail only so that humanity could prevail in the conversation.

1237
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: It was a masterclass and and I and I'm offended

1238
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: that that's how this conversation evolved was frankly from a

1239
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: bunch of non sequiturs and a bunch of assertions and

1240
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of statements not made by tanahassee himself, beliefs

1241
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: not accredited to him, that he had to basically unbury

1242
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: himself from underneath before he could even get to the

1243
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: point of the matter.

1244
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 7: And nothing, you know, the one last thing I wanted

1245
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 7: to flag for y'all, It wasn't in the sound by

1246
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 7: set that to full. But at the end of the conversation,

1247
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 7: Tony says to him, well, you're still invited to high Holiday,

1248
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 7: which to me was like our our version of got here.

1249
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 7: You're still You're still no, You're still invited to the cookout.

1250
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: And it's like that, I know what you meant, but

1251
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: but no, I.

1252
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 7: Was, I was, I was going to make that point.

1253
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 7: I didn't even hear you. I'm sorry, a g. I

1254
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 7: want to hear what you were saying, but I.

1255
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: Was just no, I wasn't saying anything angel I was responding.

1256
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the I didn't see the interview, so

1257
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: you're saying that you're still invited.

1258
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 6: To high holiday. So I was like, but that's my point, right, Like.

1259
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 7: Part of what I love about our show, and I

1260
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 7: was thinking about it driving over here is we hold

1261
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 7: space for nuance.

1262
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 6: We hold the ability.

1263
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 7: To say, wow, I disagree with you, and sometimes it's

1264
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 7: even offensive how much I disagree with you, but I

1265
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 7: still love you, and I still want to cherish and

1266
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 7: hear another perspective. To be someplace where someone is at

1267
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 7: least a professional friend and someone you respect.

1268
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 6: It should not have been minimized to that.

1269
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 7: And I think our responsibility in media is to ensure

1270
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 7: that we can have this dialogue.

1271
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 6: Well why is that your experience? Well what led you

1272
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 6: to that place?

1273
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 7: Well?

1274
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 6: What happened when you were there?

1275
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 7: You've now had an experience with a group of people

1276
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 7: that I've never even heard from that I've never even entertained.

1277
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 6: What did you learn from that?

1278
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 7: And being okay with whatever they say on the other

1279
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 7: side of that.

1280
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 6: It is so important. We live in a world that.

1281
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 7: Is full of the gray. It is not flat and

1282
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 7: black or white. There's so much nuance here. We've got

1283
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 7: to be okay holding that nuance and getting to compromise.

1284
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 7: We are past the debate. But I will say, even

1285
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 7: though I don't want to neutralize the craziness and the

1286
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 7: weirdness that is JD Vance, it is so important to me,

1287
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 7: as someone who worked in politics, for humanity to be

1288
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 7: recentered in our policy making. And that means people on

1289
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 7: both sides of the aisle actually have to come to agreement.

1290
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 7: You can't damn near risk a government shut down every

1291
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 7: time budget comes back up. That cannot continue to happen.

1292
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 7: We've got to hold space and exist in nuance. We

1293
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 7: just do, and that interview shows why we haven't been

1294
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 7: able to.

1295
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 8: I think I just.

1296
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: Before you wrapped that, I just wanted to say, but

1297
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: you saw what happened there. This wasn't an invitation for

1298
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: a nuanced conversation. What happened from out of the gate

1299
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: was a drawing of the red line. There was a

1300
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: highlighter taken out and he and he pulled that. He

1301
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: pulled that highlighter over the red line to exclaim, this

1302
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: is not a place you want to cross.

1303
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 4: This isn't a place you want to cross.

1304
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 7: That's what I dangerous. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying to me,

1305
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 7: our space is the exact opposite of that, and I

1306
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 7: want to challenge media organizations, podcasts, people at home agreed

1307
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 7: to exist in the nuance, be okay with the discomfort.

1308
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 7: TIF asked us those questions sometimes, like even earlier, like

1309
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 7: what do you want to what do you think that

1310
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 7: white women are going to do? I don't want to

1311
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 7: sit with that, but I'm glad that she raised it

1312
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 7: to force us to sit with it for the day.

1313
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 8: No, I don't want you that was not my invite.

1314
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 8: I do not want you to sit with that for

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Speaker 8: to day.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I mean, I mean asking it so

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 7: that it's not a blind right.

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01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 8: It's like at ease.

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Speaker 1: I think we're victims of our technology right now, Yeah,

1320
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: because it's I think we're cross talking in this the

1321
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: my thing is slow and like you're getting a sentence

1322
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: out before I get I'm not in disagreement with any

1323
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: of that. I think you're completely right, both of you.

1324
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: I just really regret that that conversation jumped off at

1325
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: the red line.

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Speaker 8: It was ridiculous.

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: Exclaiming of the red line.

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 5: Well, there was a Angelo's point about having nuanced. There

1329
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 5: was a much better conversation between Tanahasee and John Stewart,

1330
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: and John Stewart is so good at this and he

1331
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 5: talked about like his complicated feelings around everything, and at

1332
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 5: the end he and by the way, this was also

1333
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 5: Tanahasee's birthday where all this was happening.

1334
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 7: Oh my God, to celebrate.

1335
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 8: Him by this man's book.

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Speaker 5: But what John Stewart said to him is like, hey, man,

1337
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 5: I know you're going through a lot saying these things

1338
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 5: and releasing this book and Tana has He said, I'm

1339
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 5: sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to say

1340
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 5: what I'm going through is nothing compared to what I

1341
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 5: saw the Palestinian people going through there. So he's not

1342
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 5: asking for any sympathy. You know, he's not as anybody

1343
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 5: playing violin. He is fine going into the fire pit

1344
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 5: and battling intellectually with somebody who takes on a different opinion.

1345
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 5: But I appreciate that he held space for the humanity

1346
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 5: of the Palestinian people and said, yeah, don't don't waste

1347
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 5: your sympathy on me. Think about what they're going through

1348
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 5: every day. It's nothing compared to what I'm going through.

1349
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 5: I will also say I feel like I tried to

1350
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 5: sit in the New hous. A lot of times I

1351
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 5: have more questions than I do answers. But I'm also

1352
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 5: not offended at people disagreeing with me too. I think

1353
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 5: a part of that is well, a part of it

1354
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 5: is I'm never trying to convince somebody else to feel

1355
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 5: how I feel. That's that's not ever my intention. I

1356
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 5: don't think y'all tell me if you think I'm wrong,

1357
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 5: if you're like, that's a lie because you were trying

1358
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 5: to convince us all the time. I think my approach

1359
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 5: is here's how I feel, here's based on here's why

1360
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 5: I'm trusted, or here's how I'm informing my opinion, and

1361
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 5: I'm presenting it to whomever, to the audience, to you guys,

1362
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 5: the friends, the group chats, whatever, and then after that

1363
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 5: I'm pretty much like I'm and I'm open to hear

1364
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 5: how you feel. But you can't convince me of something

1365
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 5: that I don't gree or you can't talk me out

1366
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: of my experience, or you can't say the thing I

1367
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 5: read isn't true or whatever.

1368
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 8: But I'm not.

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 7: A good conversation for the mini pod, like, are we

1370
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 7: ever trying to convince people? Because y'all know I stay

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 7: trying to go.

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01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 6: Okay, well, well let's talk about it.

1373
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 8: Edit that out. We're gonna talk about that on mini pod.

1374
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 6: No, don't edit it out. We're gonna use it as

1375
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 6: as a teaser.

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01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 8: I love.

1377
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,520
Speaker 6: We have the new calls.

1378
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 7: To action, you guys, and we have a we have

1379
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 7: a question we never got to but we're definitely really

1380
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 7: deep into this podcast, so maybe that could be in

1381
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 7: our minipop.

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: I'll give my call to action to the questioner.

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 6: What's the Oh that's nice, Andrew, Well, I'll yield as well.

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 10: Welcome home, folks. Angela my sister, you know, I love

1385
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 10: you with my whole heart. Andrew home team. Hope you're well.

1386
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 10: My brother Tiffany, I don't know you, but they love

1387
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 10: you so I love you, can't wait to meet you.

1388
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 10: I am actually coming to you today because I have

1389
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 10: a little situation. As some of you may know, have

1390
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 10: a nonprofit mentorship program for young men. But I'm coming

1391
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 10: I'm running into a problem with some of them, them

1392
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 10: who have since you know, they've graduated there in college.

1393
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 10: They're doing their own things, but they don't recognize the

1394
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 10: importance of voting. And I've tried to talk to them.

1395
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 10: I've tried to reason with them. I've explained to them,

1396
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 10: but they are totally uninterested and that breaks my heart.

1397
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 10: It almost feels like I failed them in some way.

1398
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 10: So I need your advice because I'm trying to reach

1399
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 10: these boys, some of them not even registered, and I'm

1400
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 10: trying to get them to where they need to be. Help, help, help,

1401
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 10: love you all.

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 3: Thanks.

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 7: So, first, I just want to say, TIF, he did

1404
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 7: not mean that. That is Ryan Christopher Reid, who is

1405
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 7: from Gainesville, Florida, Andrew, and I actually really know him.

1406
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 6: He's not just saying.

1407
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I know y'all, but TIF, I don't do

1408
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 7: you like that? But I love you because they love you.

1409
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 6: It wasn't that you literally when we meet.

1410
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna make sure you guys meet Ryan christ

1411
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 7: You know, I love your commitment to young people. You

1412
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 7: know on this podcast, we're certainly committed to everybody as well.

1413
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 6: Florida is so critical.

1414
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 7: And I actually want to heal this answer Andrew to

1415
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 7: your sister Tip who said she doesn't try to convince people.

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 6: Convince him, now, Tip, why don't you do that about voting?

1417
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 5: Uhh yeah, so even that, so I've been told and

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 5: you are accused in the past that you know, the

1419
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 5: way I will try to convince people to vote, it's

1420
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 5: like you're shaming them, and you can't shame people in

1421
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 5: the voting. So I stopped doing that, and so I

1422
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 5: want to first acknowledge people's humanity.

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 8: This whole idea that if you don't vote, you don't count,

1424
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 8: that is a lie. Of course you count.

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01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 5: You count because you are here on this earth, you

1426
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 5: draw breath, you are living life, and we honor and

1427
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 5: support you and want you to be active participants in

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 5: this here democracy. What I would recommend to my new

1429
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 5: friend who I'm looking forward to meeting, is not to

1430
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 5: make it about the election. You know, when I talk

1431
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 5: to people, and sadly it is mostly men. When I

1432
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 5: talk to people who just have no interest in participating

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: in democracy.

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 8: What I ask is, well, let's say you.

1435
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 5: Were in charge of this here ten blocks the ten

1436
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 5: block radius. You're now in charge, and that means you

1437
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 5: got to be over trash, pickup school funding, and we

1438
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 5: gonna give you everybody in the neighborhoods. They don't give

1439
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: you a pot of money, and you have to make

1440
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 5: sure all these people are well taken care of and

1441
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 5: organize it. That is a completely different conversation because then

1442
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 5: you've given these men agency. Then you have said, okay, well,

1443
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 5: if I'm in charge, this is how I wanted to go.

1444
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 5: And that is what we want to say to people.

1445
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 5: It's not about you believe in the system. We believe

1446
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 5: in you, brothers. We want you to participate in it.

1447
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 5: You have agency over this democracy. That is what voting is.

1448
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 8: What does this.

1449
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 5: Democracy look like if you are its architects? And by

1450
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 5: participating in the system, even if you're just participating in

1451
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 5: it to disrupt, which we hope you do, you have

1452
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 5: to participate in it. You have to understand it to

1453
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 5: be a part of it. So that would be my

1454
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 5: pitch to him to say to these young men, give

1455
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 5: them agency, not you know, oh, the white man system

1456
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 5: needs you to participate in it, because that's gonna turn

1457
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 5: me off too. I'm gonna walk away from that. I've

1458
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 5: survived good and bad administration, So how is this.

1459
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 8: Important to me? But telling you you are crucial and

1460
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 8: integral to how this country functions, I think it's a

1461
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 8: completely different message.

1462
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 7: And not just the country, but even on local and

1463
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 7: state level. Andrew, this is a question about Florida young

1464
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 7: men in particular. I know this is one that strikes

1465
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 7: home for you because, yeah.

1466
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: You.

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 6: Relied on those votes and you needed them at some point.

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01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 1: And I'm increasingly where Tiffany is. I think I've embraced

1469
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: this whole non shaming approach to registration, and I just

1470
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: think it's hard to convince people to buy into a

1471
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: system that they don't feel as working for them, and

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01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: I think the best way to make it plain is

1473
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: to put them in some of the decision making seat.

1474
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: I think that's why we need to run people much

1475
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: more through what it means to have local and better

1476
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: than that almost neighborhood level governance. Like when we reach

1477
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: an agreement and everybody says we're not fighting, then we're

1478
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: not fighting. That's not how we're settling things here. We

1479
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: go into the whatever table and we'll play craps for it,

1480
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the decision making is. I may have

1481
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: trivialized that, but the point being like, how can I

1482
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: convince you to buy into a system that you, for

1483
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: as far as you're concerned, have never seen worked for you.

1484
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: And maybe what it might take for Chris to do

1485
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: and others like him is sit there and break it

1486
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: down to a level so that they then get to

1487
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: see how it works. So, for instance, we just had

1488
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: a hurricane come through here. Do you want an example

1489
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: of what it means to have a government that is

1490
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: responsive and one that is not prepared to care, couldn't

1491
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: care less about how you survive through this thing? Take

1492
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: a train by way of example, and then maybe what

1493
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: we have happened as a result of this storm in

1494
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: this area. The difference here was one of governance. The

1495
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: difference here was one of whether or not you have

1496
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: people who cared about your existence and those who didn't.

1497
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: Maybe take it to a local barbershop, Ask him how

1498
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: he opened, Ask him whether what kind of license he

1499
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: needed to get that.

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: Did he get a.

1501
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: Small business loan in order to make that happen? Maybe

1502
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: return the question do you have a vision of one

1503
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: day owning something?

1504
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 4: And how that might work?

1505
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: But I think we've got to make it much more

1506
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: applicable to people so that they really people have, truth

1507
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: to the Bible, have no clue how much government interferes

1508
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: and interacts and intervenes and curates every part of their living,

1509
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: of their being. Even the neglect of your life is

1510
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: curated by a power, a higher power, largely a government.

1511
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: The things you don't have, forget what you do, the

1512
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: stuff you could only hope for but never get to

1513
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: attain because somebody's a decision that you don't deserve it,

1514
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: that those things, those nice things, aren't for you. So

1515
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 1: I just think we do have to go the extra

1516
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,440
Speaker 1: model of helping people to see how this thing really interacts,

1517
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: interplays and affects their lives. And then you know what,

1518
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: once you know better, my grandmama say, you do better.

1519
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 4: So now that you know better, hopefully you will do better.

1520
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: Now if you choose after knowing not to do well,

1521
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: I've got to say, you got to deserve what it

1522
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: is that's coming for you or not coming for you.

1523
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 7: The Lord Saints was mine Ford c two of us?

1524
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 4: Did what about you?

1525
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 6: Tell you?

1526
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 8: I wanted to give it.

1527
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll be real quick, said that it was five minutes,

1528
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 6: but go ahead.

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Speaker 4: And I'm certain it was probably be No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: It was tilast She's like, hobby. I was like, this

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Speaker 6: is not quick, anyway, to go ahead.

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Speaker 8: I'll be quick.

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Speaker 5: I was having this how I know our phones listeners

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Speaker 5: because I've been having a debate with a mutual friend

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Speaker 5: about how dogs are treated, and some people just don't care.

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Speaker 5: You all know I care very deeply, and so because

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Speaker 5: I was having this debate, I've been getting flooded with

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Speaker 5: all of these videos and pleas and emails and everything

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Speaker 5: about you know how to treat dogs. So this is

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Speaker 5: my cta. Please be kind to animals. I know a

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Speaker 5: lot of people have normalized leaving dogs tied up outside

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Speaker 5: all day. That is a form of animal abuse. Please

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Speaker 5: do not leave your animals inside. There was a hurricane.

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Speaker 5: I saw videos there were people's animals who were literally

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 5: chained to a fence and pouring down rain. It is

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01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 5: so awful, awful, awful, awful. So I would just invite

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Speaker 5: people to consider animals. They're smaller, sweeter, kinder than any

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 5: human being can ever be. Pitbulls are my absolute favorite.

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Speaker 5: They're the sweetest, kindest dog. I can't stomach animal abuse.

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Speaker 5: I literally I can't look at it and have nightmares

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Speaker 5: about it. I just I don't like it. So my CTAs,

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Speaker 5: Please donate to a SPCA, they do great work. Donate

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Speaker 5: to the Humane Society, Foster a dog. Don't go to breeders.

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Speaker 5: But if you can give an animal a home, please

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Speaker 5: do so. And if you can't, please don't be indifferent

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Speaker 5: to the pain and suffering of animals.

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Speaker 6: So that's also feels like an appropriate time to bark

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Speaker 6: or meal?

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Speaker 8: Is that now is an appropriate time? Do you bark?

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Speaker 8: Considered a little innocent?

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Speaker 5: Cats and dogs all animals though really all animals Like

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Speaker 5: I it's so sad to see how people normalize abuse.

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Speaker 6: We should bark like and coming to America, well, I don't.

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Speaker 5: We can bark, but I don't want to make light

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Speaker 5: of animals suffering.

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Speaker 8: That's the only thing.

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Speaker 5: Being very sincere to the people I want y'all to know,

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Speaker 5: I'm sincerely asking you don't be indifferent, even if you

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01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 5: don't like it, Like I don't understand wo who dislike dogs,

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Speaker 5: but don't be indifferent to the suffering. If your neighbor

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01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 5: keeps a dog tied up outside, that's animal abuse, Like

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Speaker 5: that's not okay. So and if you can't make a

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Speaker 5: dog a part of your family, then don't get one.

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Speaker 6: And please make sure you pick up after your dogs.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I know I have been accused of.

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Speaker 4: Not scooping theo you leave dogs out.

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Speaker 5: I have before, I don't I when I have fostered,

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Speaker 5: I have left dog poopoore like.

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Speaker 8: I'm not picking up in somebody's yard that I will

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Speaker 8: scoop the poop.

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Speaker 6: Well, I also get married with people pick up after

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Speaker 6: the dog and they put.

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Speaker 7: The they put they put the dogs in my trash can.

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Speaker 7: I don't want that in my trash can.

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Speaker 6: It's nasty and its steak up your trash can.

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