1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Kabbooms. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: If you thought four hours a day, twelve hundred minutes 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: of the old Republic, a soul fashion of fairness. He 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: treats crackheads in the ghetto gutter the same as the 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: rich pill poppers in the penthouse. 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: Wow. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: The Clearinghouse of Hot takes break free for something special. 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 4: A everywhere and a very good Saturday to you still 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 4: navigating the Northeast. It is your pal band, but the podcast. 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 4: The great thing about podcasting is we tell you every 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 4: week here is you can do it from anywhere. You 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 4: don't need to have a high falutin studio and all that. 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 4: It's the magic of podcasting. So happy tenth day of August. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: It is a malor only fifth our. My man Danny 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 4: g has the weekend off. He's still producing this podcast 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: and putting it together, making it sound and all pretty. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: But he is away because I am on the East 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: Coast in the Boston area. Had a nice day traveling 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: around on Friday, and today I don't know where I'm 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 4: gonna end up today. 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Who knows? 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: That's the great thing about this, and then tomorrow'll eventually 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: make my way back to southern California to do the 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 4: show tomorrow night into Monday. More on that as we 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 4: work our way through the day tomorrow. But today, the 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 4: tenth day of August, Happy National Bowling Day. That's right, 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: as National Bowling Day. Not the kind of balls I like. 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: When's the last time you bowled? It's been a long 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: time since I bowled, been a long long time, But 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 4: oh what fun bowling is. For years, I would always 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: give this fun fact that the number one participation sport 34 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: was bowling. I don't know if that is still true, 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: but I still repeat. 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: It from time to time. I still repeat it. 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: But for so long, the national session was bowling because 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: you could drink and do all that. But so today's 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: National Bowling Day. Celebrate appropriately some of the other dopey 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 4: holidays that happened today. It's National Lazy Day. Definitely not 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: being lazy because I've got this podcast. But enough about that, 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: let's get to the meat of the matter. I am 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: very excited to bring back a podcast where we just chat. 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 4: Me and a friend, me and a radio friend. We 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: should do this all the time on the podcast. One 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: of my good friends in radio, someone I have known 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 4: since I was a teenager. I started out in LA 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: radio and this guy helped show me the way, help 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: me work around the hierarchy of the press box and 50 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: the decorum that one is supposed to have in said 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: press box. His name is Jeff Biggs. If you're familiar 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: with Fox Sports Radio in the past, you know who 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: Jeff Biggs is. Biggsy has worked all over the radio 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: dial in Los Angeles and other places as well. But 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: he traveled with the Rams and the Raiders, the Lakers. 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: He's been doing pre and postgame either traveled or did 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 4: pre and post game for the Rams, Lakers, Dodgers, Angels, USC, UCLA, 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: the Clippers. He does national studio work for Compass Media 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: Networks some of their football coverage on the weekend, so 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: you can hear Bigsie nationally in different markets. I work 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: together with Bigsie at a couple of different radio stations, 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 4: the Mighty six ninety in San Diego AM five seventy 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: slash eleven fifty. 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: We worked together. 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: I did a talk show with Bigsie for several years. 66 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: We traveled to the World Series together. I'll have to 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 4: mention that as we work our way through this conversation 68 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: with Bigsie and then at Fox Sports Radio as well. 69 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: I was at his wedding. So we go way back, 70 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: we go way back one of the people that helped 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: navigate my career. And I'm so excited to welcome back 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: here to the Fifth Hour with me, Ben Mahler and 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: Danny g We welcome in Jeff Biggs and so Biggs, Biggsie, 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: why don't we start with that the very early days, 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 4: the first time that we ever met, it was at 76 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 4: a press box. I think it was at Dodger Stadium. 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: What do you remember about that, Bigsie. 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 5: I know it was in a press box. I did 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 5: not realize, though, you were that young at that time. 80 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 5: I mean, I know you're young, but I did not 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 5: realize how young you were right out of the gate. 82 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, I do. 83 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 5: I do remember, and I remember you sitting in your 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 5: spot and a little quiet initially, but you were just 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 5: getting used to everybody and getting to know everybody. But 86 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 5: I fast forward and I look at all the times 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 5: that we spent at games and covering events, and then 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 5: of course working. 89 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: Together the way that we did. 90 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 5: I tell people all the time, and this is not flattery, 91 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: but when we did our show together briefly that I've 92 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: always said that I enjoyed working with you as a 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 5: co host. I was always I felt the most comfortable 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 5: working with you. I felt like I was the most 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: my most genuine self. I was the most relaxed. And 96 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 5: I think that's a a big tribute to you, because 97 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 5: you're just You're a great guy, good friend, and I 98 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: felt comfortable with you, and I felt like I could 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: be myself and we just we had I always thought 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 5: we had good, good chemistry. So but I do remember 101 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 5: and look at where you are now. Congratulations on all 102 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 5: your success and all the things that you've got going 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 5: on and all across the country. 104 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. Man, great story. 105 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: No, Bigsie, no, I want to thank you because when 106 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: I started out, I was so young. 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't 108 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: know the etiquette. 109 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: There's like this whole etiquette in the press box that 110 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: you're supposed to follow, and like there's this code of conduct. 111 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: I knew none of that. 112 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 4: Bigsie, like you, you were one of the people in 113 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 4: the early days that showed me the way because it 114 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 4: was I don't know how to describe it, But the 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: press box culture, I don't think it's the same anymore 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: because of exactly, but at that time, the newspaper writer 117 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: was like the king, right, they were the most important thing, 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: the columnists or the beat writer. And then you had 119 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: the TV people, and then then you had us the 120 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: radio people that were kind of the caboose bringing up 121 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 4: the rear, right. Would that be an accurate way? How 122 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: would you put it in your words, Bigsie, what it 123 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 4: was like in those days? 124 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 5: Well, you have the You're correct, you had the TV people, 125 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: but they sat in an entirely different section. I mean, 126 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 5: it was just a TV group by themselves in a 127 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: better spot. Then you had you had the beat writers 128 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 5: and the columnists, and they they took themselves very seriously. 129 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: They took the writing. 130 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 5: It was, I don't want to say, kind of a 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 5: Pulitzer Prize kind of vibe, but it was that was 132 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: kind of the the aura that a lot of them have. 133 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 5: And then, like you said, the radio guys, we were 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 5: the radio guys. And you know, and look, we have 135 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 5: a lot of great friends that are writers. And I 136 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 5: don't want to lump plump everybody. Not everybody is the 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: same and we clicked really well with some and then 138 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: some there were there were some that just didn't didn't 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 5: like radio people, didn't respect the profession. I think there 140 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 5: was a nickname somebody, I think somebody from Dallas came 141 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 5: up with a nickname. They referred to radio people as 142 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 5: foofs foof I think was as spelling. But anyway, that was, 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: like you said, that was a different time. But we 144 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: had our spot and we did our job. And I contend, 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 5: I mean, for what you want to say about sports radio, 146 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 5: I mean, there was a there was a period of 147 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: time coming out of the eighties and into the nineties 148 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 5: before social media really took off where sports radio really 149 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 5: had a prominent place. It still does, don't get me wrong, 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: but I mean we had the opportunity to to break 151 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: things and get things out there right away. You didn't 152 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 5: have to wait for the newspaper the next day, or 153 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: the eleven o'clock news, or even even the sports center 154 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 5: at night. I mean, you could you break news and 155 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: report things and tell people what was going on, and 156 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 5: and just give a different feel by being at those 157 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: games and being in the in the clubhouses, in the 158 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 5: locker rooms. 159 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was one of the things, Bigsie. I 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: remember some of the writers would get upset because we'd 161 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: go in there and get audio and sometimes there'd be 162 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: a guy, a coach or a player that would have 163 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: a meltdown, and then we'd have the audio and then 164 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: you know, we'd be able to play it on the 165 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: radio that night and the next morning. And they had 166 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: to wait for the newspaper to be published, and they 167 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: would not they would go they would, you know, be 168 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: very upset. 169 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: They are angry. 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 4: I got yelled at several times because of that. Now, 171 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 4: you covered pretty much every team. For those who don't 172 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 4: know Biggie's background in southern California, you know Bigsy because 173 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: this guy's he covered every team, right, I mean you 174 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 4: were on the beat, you did the pregame, the postgame. 175 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: I know you did stuff with the Dodgers, and that 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 4: you were rough with the Lakers for years, and that 177 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 4: you're I know you're a Rams fan and you did 178 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: stuff with the Rams, and I remember you with the Angels. 179 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 4: You were all all over the place, bigs You covered 180 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: pretty much every team in the LA market in those days. 181 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: Am I correct? I did? 182 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: And I want to say this in all humility, I 183 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 5: really do. I feel like God blessed me with honestly, 184 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 5: with just a great, great career. 185 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: Nothing. 186 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 5: I don't look at it as anything special about me 187 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 5: or my talent or my abilities. 188 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: I look at it as favor. 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 5: But to your point, and I am, it's more it's 190 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 5: not like a if this makes sense, man, But it's 191 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 5: not like a pride thing. It's just more of a wow, 192 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: you know, look look what I Look what I got 193 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 5: to do? Does that make sense? See the different? 194 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Like? 195 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so to your point, I mean I did well. 196 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: I'll start kind of go like my first big job 197 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 5: was at the original seven to ten KMPC when they 198 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: were they were owned by the Autrees right back in 199 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 5: the day. And that was in nineteen ninety two. And 200 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 5: my first boss, I mean my you know, my our 201 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 5: good friend and my good friend and mentor Big Joe McDonald, 202 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 5: Big Joe the Light Big Joe who man. 203 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: I wish he was still around today. 204 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: Can you imagine doing today's climate? 205 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Oh, I mean he was amazing then. 206 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: I can only imagine what he would be like in 207 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 4: these days. 208 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 5: Just inside, Yeah, I feel bad because I think I'm 209 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 5: sure there's a lot of people that they're like who's 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 5: that And they don't know what we're talking about. But 211 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 5: a lot of people that will hear this will. But anyway, 212 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 5: Len Weiner came came over from w f AN. W 213 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: f AN, of course, the all sports station in New York. 214 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 5: Len came out, was hired to be the boss at 215 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 5: this new sports station, CAMPC. They decided, Hey, you know what, 216 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 5: we've been playing big band music. Let's uh, let's go 217 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 5: all sports. We've got the Angels, we've got the Rams, 218 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 5: We've got U. C. L A, We've got Jim Healy. 219 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 5: Let's let's do all sports. So one of my I 220 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: started there doing sports updates as an anchor, and then 221 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety two they asked me to travel with 222 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 5: the Raiders. The Raiders were still in town as a 223 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 5: beat reporter. So I got to do that. And you'll 224 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 5: get a kick out of this. One of the shows 225 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: that we had and would I would come on with 226 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: them a lot at night during the week, was Jeff 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: Witcher and Steve Yeager, the former Doctor Ketcher. 228 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: They had a show together. 229 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: Oh that's wild. 230 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 5: But I know we don't have a ton of time. 231 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 5: So but my one of my career highlights, one of 232 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: the first things I was able to do. And again 233 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: I say this in all humility, but in nineteen ninety two, 234 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 5: remember during that time, we you know, we went all 235 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: sports and this was about what two years after Extra 236 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 5: Sports six ninety was up and running back in the day, right, 237 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 5: So that's. 238 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: Where that's where I started as an indie. Yeah yeah, 239 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 4: Blood Rivals BIGSI. 240 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, no it yeah, there was a little 241 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: window there. There was a little window where it was 242 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: a legit rivalry for sure, and I ended up working 243 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: for them after KMPC was full. 244 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: But in nineteen ninety two, so imagine the scene. 245 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 5: So Extra Sports six ninety they're the Chargers flagship station, right, 246 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: I mean they're just hardcore Chargers, right. The Chargers come 247 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 5: to the coliseum and they can wrap up I believe 248 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 5: that's what the scenario was. 249 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: It was nineteen ninety two. 250 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: They can wrap up the division, right, so they're just 251 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 5: full blown Charger coverage. They can wrap up the division 252 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 5: over the Raiders. And so I had just gotten a 253 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 5: cell phone and our good friend Kurt Kretchmar was a 254 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 5: producer with us at the time at CAMPC Great. I mean, 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 5: he was a phenomenal producer before he got into upper management, 256 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 5: and the late Chris Roberts, the voice of the Bruins, 257 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 5: was doing a show at KMPC, and I had the 258 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: cell phone, and I thought, you know what, maybe I 259 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 5: could call Chris Roberts live on the air after the 260 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 5: end of the game and you know, see what we 261 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 5: could do something on the field. Well, the game ends, 262 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 5: the Chargers win, they wrap up the division, and so 263 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 5: right after the game ended, I run up to Junior, sayo, 264 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 5: and I call Chris and in the station on the 265 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 5: air and I say, hey, look, I'm walking to the 266 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 5: locker room with Junior sale Let's go live. So he 267 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 5: comes live to me and I'm literally interviewing Junior, say 268 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 5: the late great Junior se on my cell phone live 269 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 5: as we're running off the field together. And that that 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 5: had never happened before, Like nobody had the cell phone. 271 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: I mean the cell phone I had was like, you know, 272 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: a foot long. 273 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 5: I mean they were brand new, like brand new, and 274 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 5: to be able to do that, to have and so 275 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 5: here we were seven to ten KMPC interviewing the best 276 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 5: Chargers player live on our air right after they wrapped 277 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 5: up the division. So that was that was definitely a 278 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: career highlight. But long answer to your question. You know, 279 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 5: we had so many different bosses and so many changes 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 5: at all the stations that we worked at. But over 281 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 5: the years, I mean career highlights traveling as an everyday 282 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 5: beat reporter with the Lakers, traveling with the Dodgers, and 283 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 5: doing you know, Dodger talk and the post game and 284 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 5: the pre and post game. You did that for a 285 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 5: little bit with the Angels. I also did the pre 286 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 5: and post game for USC and UCLA football, and had 287 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: a little brief stint doing the Clippers pre and postgame 288 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: as well, So pretty much got to do it be 289 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 5: a part of everybody, which is a huge blessing. 290 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: You ran the gauntlet. I wanted to focus on the 291 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 4: Laker thing. This is something that's just wild. As we've 292 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: gotten older, Big Z, we remember and you were there. 293 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: You were there much more than I was. But when 294 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant came onto the scene as a young young 295 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: cat and he wasn't you know, he was a young 296 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: guy they thought was going to be pretty good, and 297 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: then to watch how his career took off and now 298 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: obviously he's tragic passing a few years ago and the 299 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: tributes he's almost immortal, you know what I mean in 300 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: the way that people from around here and the statues 301 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: and all the things. But to watch that unfold in 302 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 4: front of us, and you traveled with the Lakers, followed 303 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: them around the country for years in that period of time, 304 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, the Shaq Kobe era around that time. 305 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: So what are some of your memories of watching that 306 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: up close and personal how that took off, Because it's 307 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: very really and you see a guy like that. Kobe's 308 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: one of the top ten players of all time, some 309 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: would say top five all time in the NBA, But 310 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: when he started out, he's just kind of like it 311 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: was good, but you didn't know how good he was 312 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: going to be as. 313 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 5: Wild Well, you remember the whole build up, and I 314 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: remember our good friend Big Joe. I mean, he was 315 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: the one that really broke the story and broke the 316 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 5: news that Shack was going to sign with the Lakers. 317 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: And so I was fortunate I was able to travel 318 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 5: with the Lakers right at the beginning when Jerry West 319 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 5: put that whole thing, you know, started to put that together, 320 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 5: and then also traveled. I traveled with them during the 321 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 5: three peat, and I always say the second season the 322 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: two thousand and one season when they beat the Sixers. 323 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 5: I was with that team from start to finish, every 324 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 5: single day, practice, every game, home and away, playoffs, championship, 325 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 5: and that was I mean, that's like the ultimate career 326 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 5: highlight because that was a team not only were they 327 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: like rock stars, but that was the year of the 328 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 5: Shack Kobe feud and it was phenomenal. But to your 329 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: point about Kobe, you remember, I mean he had a 330 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 5: couple things going on. I mean he came and Del 331 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 5: Harris was the coach initially and eventually ended up getting fired, 332 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 5: but Kobe, initially, they were the comparisons to Michael Jordan. 333 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: And remember in the. 334 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: Playoff game, he had some bad shots against the Jazz 335 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 5: and was kind of developing the narrative as a ball hog, 336 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 5: and and so he had to work all through that. 337 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 5: He had to work and kind of take control of 338 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 5: that and turn that around, which he did masterfully, and 339 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 5: as you said, became one of the greatest ever and 340 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 5: his work ethic and everything else is legendary. But it 341 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 5: was a process and kind of getting over the hump 342 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 5: the way that they did in two thousand and just 343 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 5: and then everything that followed in the way that the 344 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 5: shack He and Shaq feuded and the split and the 345 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 5: trade and it was incredible though, and I don't think 346 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 5: we'll ever see anything like that again. And you know, 347 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 5: I always tell people, Man, I mean, and you're a 348 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 5: part of this, Ben, I mean, you can say what 349 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 5: you want. I'm not trying to sound like old guy, 350 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 5: get off your lawn, but I mean we I feel 351 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 5: like we were really blessed to cover, you know, arguably, 352 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 5: you know, the greatest era in sports, do you know. 353 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 5: I hope, I hope, you know, we'll see stuff like 354 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 5: that again. But you know, for LA, I mean that 355 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 5: was those were those were special times. 356 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great, and it might be just because 357 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: we're getting older, Bigsy, but I look at the waves, 358 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 4: yeah now, and I mean the whole and I love 359 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: the Dodgers, but they they added sho Hail Tani from 360 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 4: the Angels and it's just over the time and everything 361 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: is over the top. It just I don't know how 362 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: to put it away. It's so different now than it 363 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: was then. And it's not like there wasn't a lot 364 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 4: of money involved in sports then, but it's these these teams, 365 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 4: the Lakers and Dodgers are at a certain level right now, 366 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 4: so far ahead of everyone else. And in fact, the 367 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 4: Dodgers they pretty much sell out or get forty thousand 368 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 4: plus to every game now, and it's just the way 369 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: the whole process works. You were with the Angels also 370 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: for a long time now when you worked, you started 371 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: at seventy ten. Gene Autry was very old at that point. 372 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: Did you ever run into a Gene Autry at that 373 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: time when you were working for his station or how'd 374 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 4: that go down? 375 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: So, so a couple of quick if we have him 376 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 5: at a couple of quick stories. I would see Gene 377 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 5: up in the press box and say hello to him, 378 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 5: and unfortunately he was he was pretty old at that point. 379 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: Never never saw him at the station. But a couple 380 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 5: of great Jackie Autry stories. So one of one, one 381 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: little highlight. So I was doing the sports updates. I CAN'TBC, 382 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 5: like I said, And I was working working on a 383 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: Saturday night one night, just doing my updates and I 384 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 5: get a call. 385 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: From on the hotline. 386 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: I'm at the station, right, yeah, and uh it's it's 387 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 5: Jackie Autry and it's like, I don't know, ten eleven 388 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: o'clock at night and you know this is before again, 389 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 5: this is before social media, This is before you know. 390 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: Anything like we have today. 391 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: And she said, oh, by the way, one wanted to 392 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 5: let you know that we're going to be firing Fae Vincent, 393 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: the commissioner of baseball. So yeah, yeah, because she was 394 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: like she was the acting owner. So I was able 395 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 5: to break that. And it didn't obviously didn't have the 396 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 5: weight then like it would now. But I mean that 397 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: was a you know, we called AP and we got 398 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 5: a little credit. Back in the day, they had an 399 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 5: AP wire which every station had. It was like a 400 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 5: printer that would print, you know, updated news. But that 401 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: was about it. I mean, we didn't have things that 402 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 5: we had today. And then one time, and this is 403 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 5: a true story, when I was traveling with them as 404 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 5: a Beat reporter in the nineties, it was it was 405 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 5: really weird. I was sitting with the other Beat reporters 406 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 5: in Anaheim and she she came up in the press 407 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 5: box and rubbed her hand through my hair. 408 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: Wow. 409 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 5: And some people told Buck Rogers about that, and I 410 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 5: mean he teased me the entire season and made all 411 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: these jokes the rest of the way and called me, 412 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 5: called me names that I won't repeat. So so those 413 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 5: were Those were a couple of stories. But yeah, you know, 414 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 5: just just so many, so many different stories, so many 415 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 5: different times. 416 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: It's different now, but that was pretty wild. 417 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: Well, to be. 418 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 4: Fair, though, you do have great hair. You always had 419 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: great hair, bon I mean you always did. 420 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 5: Not like I used to. But but I had a 421 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 5: little good run which I miss. Yeah, and we thank you. 422 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: Well. 423 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: We worked together at a couple we were friends in 424 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 4: the press box and we're working at different stations, and 425 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: then we worked together at a couple of stations along 426 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 4: the way, and you were at Fox Sports Radio. You're 427 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 4: part of the Fox Sports Radio Association, Bigsie. You did 428 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: use yes, Fox Sports Radio back in the day, and 429 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 4: then in the news room and all that. We're still 430 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 4: in the same building, Bigsie. We've just moved to cross 431 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: the hall. You remember the old studio they had for 432 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh when Rush would yeah like that, he had 433 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 4: his own private studios. So then Steve Harvey moved into 434 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: a side studio. 435 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: But we just moved. 436 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: We combined the old Steve Harvey studio and the old 437 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh studio. So we're I mean the same exact building. 438 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 4: We were just down the hall from where we had 439 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: broadcast from together. But you mentioned some of the characters 440 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: of La Raady. You mentioned Joe McDonald Bigger than Life, 441 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: and Joe's been gone now for over ten years. I 442 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 4: can't believe it's been that long. 443 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 3: Has it been? Has it been ten years? Really? 444 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's been over ten years now. 445 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: But big. 446 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: The thing too about Joe, Joe was like the Mike 447 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: I would compare, like Mike Frances was in New York 448 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: at WFAN, you know, and he's still doing podcasts or whatever. 449 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: But Joe was like that guy in LA Sports Radio. 450 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: He worked at every station in town. He knew everybody. 451 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: I was. 452 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 4: I told the story. I mean, this is how crazy 453 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: and how powerful big Joe was. At his funeral, we 454 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 4: were there saying our goodbyes to Joe, and Jerry West 455 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 4: was there, Eddie Murray. Eddie Murray could not stand the media, right, hey, 456 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: But he and Joe had this bond because I. 457 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: With Kirk Gibson. Kirk Gibson loved Joe. 458 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and Joe was able to cross over. 459 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 4: I don't know what do I mean he I guess 460 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 4: he was just a straight shooter and those guys appreciated 461 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 4: it and he didn't. He didn't beat around the bush Bigsie, right. 462 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 4: Big Joe was a guy that would just tell you 463 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 4: what do you believe? His friends with Shack too. I 464 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 4: remember when Shaq was at the end of his career 465 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 4: with this I like his sons, and I was with 466 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: Big Joe in the bowels of what was then Staple 467 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: Center and Shaq came up to us and was talking 468 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 4: to and he was like he was trying to figure 469 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 4: out what he was going to do when he was done. 470 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: He knew that he was near the end of his career, 471 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 4: and I was like, he's dropping in. I was next 472 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 4: to Joe and Shaq was like, well, maybe I'll come 473 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: back to LA. He wanted to make movies and obviously 474 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: he's ended up with TNT and he's like he's endorsing 475 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: every probably does he do anything. 476 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: I was going to say, he should do some commercials. 477 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: Right, Basically, I mean, Yah is on every It's wild, 478 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: He's on He's on everything. When you were doing stuff 479 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 4: with the Raise, you your your allegiance. I know you're 480 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: a RAMS fan because I'm a RAMS fan, so we 481 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 4: had that in common, Bagsy. But when you're traveling with 482 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 4: like the Raiders. That was Was it awkward? 483 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: Was it odd? 484 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: I mean, can you compartmentalize that because you do like 485 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: the Rams, but you were doing stuff with the Raiders 486 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: in those years. 487 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 5: Well I was, I was pretty young, and it was 488 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 5: all still kind of big and new and larger than life. 489 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: And that was That was so a couple of stories 490 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: with that team. 491 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: So you know, Al Davis was still around, and I 492 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: mean you had a lot of characters on that team. 493 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: You you had that was the end of the Marcus 494 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 5: Allen era. You had Todd Marinovich and all the scrutiny 495 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 5: of him, Jay Schrader, Tim Brown, Bob Golick who ironically 496 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 5: you know, covered him and they actually did a show 497 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 5: with him for about two weeks and then he just 498 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 5: stop showing up. I love Bob, but he would never 499 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 5: he would never show up. It just it was weird. 500 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 5: That was back in That was back where we worked 501 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 5: back in the day at eleven fifty before it made 502 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 5: the switch. But so I'm I'm with the Raiders in 503 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 5: d C for a It was a Christmas I want 504 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 5: to say it was a Christmas night game. The final game. 505 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 5: It was a Christmas night game against against Washington and 506 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: It turned out to be Marcus Allen's final game as 507 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 5: a Raider, and I remember we were well two things 508 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: you missed out on this. But back in the day 509 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 5: when Bo Jackson was there, when you would go into 510 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 5: the Raider locker room, he would Bo would only. He 511 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 5: would only take two to three questions from the Great 512 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 5: Jim Hill, and he would not talk to anybody else. 513 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 5: So if you did not get into that first little 514 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 5: circle by Bo, you were out of luck. You were 515 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 5: not gonna yeah, you were dead. He would talk, he 516 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 5: would answer two or three questions from Jim and then 517 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 5: that was it. He would shut it down. 518 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: But we're in Washington and final game from Marcus Allen. 519 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 5: I remember there was everybody was trying to get around him, 520 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 5: and there was a Raider Beat writer and a Washington cameraman, 521 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 5: and I remember the Washington camera guy was trying to 522 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 5: get a shot and the Raider Beat rider wouldn't move 523 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 5: and the you know the cameraman they have. 524 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: The reporters have those handheld mics. You know, they're pretty 525 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 3: heavy with the batteries. 526 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 5: The guy hit the Raider Beat reporter over the head 527 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 5: with the mike, and I remember I was doing live 528 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 5: reports from that game and the press box where at 529 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 5: least my spot was outside and it was like twenty 530 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: degrees out and I'm from LA so it was freezing. 531 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 3: But that was good times. 532 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 5: And then ironically, speaking of Washington, I had a chance 533 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 5: to I used to be a I was a national 534 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 5: stringer what we call that, you know what that is, 535 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 5: where you do a bunch of reports across the country. 536 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: And I had a chance to do the Rams final 537 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 5: game in Anaheim and it was against Washington, but I 538 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 5: remember I was doing reports all day long back back 539 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 5: on the Four Letter Network with Steve Levy, who was 540 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 5: the host of that radio show at that time, and 541 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 5: we had fun with that during the game. But it 542 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 5: was I was, you know, you know, when when Georgia 543 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 5: took the team to Saint Louis, I didn't, I stopped 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 5: rooting for them. I took a break and just I 545 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 5: had no team until they moved back. 546 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I did not. 547 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: I was a Rams fan growing up, and when they 548 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 4: went to Saint Louis, I said, that's it. 549 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm done. 550 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 4: It is odd though, because like the Raiders are, we 551 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 4: were Rams fans, but the Raiders have moved how many 552 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 4: times in our lifetimes basically went from Oakland to. 553 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: LA back to Oakland. 554 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: Now they're in vague right, and yet they've kept fan 555 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 4: based like people who love the Raiders, it doesn't matter 556 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 4: where they play it. To me, that's the only team 557 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 4: that can really pull that off, because usually if you leave, 558 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 4: like the Chargers left San Diego. And I know for 559 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: a fact, Bigsie, when the Chargers came to LA, they 560 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: thought the Charger people thought that a lot of people 561 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 4: from San Diego were going to continue to follow the team. 562 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: We're going to come up to LA and buy tickets, 563 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: and it just didn't happen. 564 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: There were some, but it was very small. 565 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 4: Compared to what they thought they were going to get 566 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 4: because people just were turned off. And you know that dynamic, 567 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 4: the San Diego La thing, and there's a point of demarcation. 568 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: People from San Diego do not enjoy the La vibe 569 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: at all. They do not like it. 570 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 4: The people come down there and you go to all 571 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: their amusement parks and all that stuff and go to 572 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: the beach, and there's a lot of jealousy between San 573 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 4: Diego and LA, but it doesn't really apply. 574 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: Real quick, yeah, real quick, I'm sorry. 575 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 5: I didn't mean to cut you off. I just had 576 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: a flashback. Do you remember you and I were in 577 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 5: San Diego? I hope you'll remember this. This was after 578 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 5: a Dodger Padre game, and do you remember that you 579 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 5: and I were in the elevator and. 580 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: Guess who came in? Ricky Henderson. Do you remember? 581 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 582 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: He was playing for the Yes, the. 583 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he talked to the third person. 584 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 585 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: Well, I just had this memory that popped in by 586 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: one of my favorite memories with with you, Bigsi's we 587 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: were doing the show together and it was nineteen ninety seven. 588 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: The Cleveland then Indians were playing the Miami the Florida Marlin. 589 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: Both teams have changed a little bit, so we. 590 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: Got I'm sorry I didn't handle that well, I'm sorry. 591 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 4: No, no, no, Bigs, it was It was wonderful. So 592 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: like we this was a brand new radio station. They 593 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 4: had a lot of igus you called venture capital. They 594 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 4: had a lot of money, so they sent me and 595 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 4: you to cover the nineteen ninety seven World Series between 596 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 4: two teams that people from La who cares right, the 597 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: Marlins and then the Cleveland Indians. 598 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: But we were in Cleveland. 599 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: And h the whole trip was crazy because you went 600 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 4: from Cleveland to Miami. Cleveland it was very cold. In fact, 601 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: it snowed, yes and I am. We'll talk about that 602 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: a second. And then in Miami it was typical Miami 603 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 4: humid in the in the eighties and just kind of 604 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: that kind. 605 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: Of kind of weather. 606 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 4: But in Cleveland when we we got there, we had 607 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 4: to do a one hour show. 608 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: And we we were staying. 609 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: Remember where we stayed. 610 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: We stayed like near the Pennsylvania border. We did not 611 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: stay anywhere like in Cleveland proper. We were way out 612 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 4: in the suburbs and so we had to drive in 613 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 4: and every day. The thing I remember is on the 614 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 4: radio every day we turn on. It was a guy 615 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 4: Ronnie Duncan I think was the guy's name, and the 616 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: same song every day. It was like it was like 617 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 4: Groundhog Day driving in. But we couldn't make it to 618 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: our broadcast location, if I remember, because we were so 619 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 4: far away. 620 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: So we pulled though. 621 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: Do you remember we we did the show in freezing 622 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: Cleveland on a bank of payphones, bigsy, this is freeze 623 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 4: cell phone days. We were on payphones and it wasn't 624 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 4: it was a hotel. I remember in my head. They 625 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 4: were like trash cans out in front of the doors. 626 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 4: In my head, that's the memory. 627 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: I have of it. 628 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 4: We're freezing our behinds off and we're trying to do 629 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 4: the show on payphones, and. 630 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: I think we pulled it off, right, We did it. 631 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did it, But it was it was It 632 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 4: was just wild then, and you were You're a little 633 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: older than me, and you're much more savvy than me. 634 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 4: It started snowing for the for the game, and it 635 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: was like batting practice. 636 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: There were snowflakes coming. 637 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 4: I I had never seen snow like that in my life, 638 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 4: Like I'd been to the snow when I was a kid, 639 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 4: but I didn't see it ever fall. 640 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: But I remember you were. 641 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: You were it was like two close you went and 642 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 4: you were watching on a monitor. We're like Peter Gammons. 643 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: Remember there was that side. 644 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it was warm. Yeah. 645 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 4: And I of course I'm such a you know, I'm 646 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 4: a I'm a donkey. I'm out there freezing and I 647 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 4: was using those hot dogs as handwarmers, Cleveland hot dogs. 648 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: But it's like I met the World Series. 649 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 4: I gotta stay out here, you know, like snowing at 650 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: the World Series, Like this is like the coolest thing 651 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: I've ever seen. And uh, and you of course know 652 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 4: I've seen snow before. I'm good and you were all 653 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: toasty warm. And then we went to Miami and I 654 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: got I got so sick after that World Series because 655 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 4: it went seven games and all that. But to go 656 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 4: from the snow to the to the heat of Miami, 657 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 4: it was But that was a. 658 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Great memory, biguse. I had so much fun trip. 659 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 3: It was wonderful. It was like, yeah, you. 660 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 4: Think back, they sent us there for a Cleveland Miami 661 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 4: series and we were doing local LA sports radio. 662 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: It's wild. 663 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what I mean. One thing that 664 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 5: that that I am, I am happy. Uh, you know, 665 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: if I think back, I mean, one thing that that 666 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 5: I learned at CAMPC when Lenn Weiner came over is 667 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 5: he took something from w Fan that that he brought 668 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 5: to LA and that was he thought it was really 669 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 5: important to have radio beat reporters with with teams. So 670 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 5: back in the day at w FAN, Steve Levy was 671 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 5: with the Mets and Susan Wallen was with the Yankees, 672 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 5: and so he wanted to kind of bring that and 673 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 5: we were able to do it at CAMPC. But then 674 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 5: CAMPC was sold, and so when we started at Extra 675 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 5: in LA, that was my that was on my heart 676 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 5: and I and I pushed for that and we were 677 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 5: able to do it with with the Lakers and then 678 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,239 Speaker 5: and with the Dodgers, and so, you know, I'm glad that. 679 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 5: I think that's important, and I think there's a need 680 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 5: for that, and I think there's something, like we talked 681 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 5: about earlier, something special about having somebody at those events 682 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: or with the team or around the play or you know, 683 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: providing a different perspective all throughout the day, you know, 684 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 5: so people have something to look forward to, whether it's 685 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 5: the morning of the midday or the afternoon, they can 686 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 5: find out what's going on and get the very latest 687 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 5: and if something breaks, they're available. So I'm happy, you know, 688 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 5: I'm happy that we were able to kind of keep 689 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 5: that going. 690 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: And it's great to see where things are now. 691 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 4: Absolutely busy. I know you got to go, so we'll 692 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 4: say goodbye. But how can people hear you? I know 693 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 4: you're still on, You're on all over You're in many 694 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 4: parts of the country. 695 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: You can always hear Jeff Biggs. Over thirty years, right, 696 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: you've been doing how many years you've been doing it's 697 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: over thirty, right, We're way. 698 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: Over thirty now, right. Yeah, I was in the late eighties, 699 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: so I don't whatever that math is. What wow thirty? 700 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well you're right behind me though, I mean 701 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: you're right now. I know. 702 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 4: It's I can't believe, Bigsie, how time has flown here? 703 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 5: It just like and you're by your success level. I mean, 704 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: you're off the charts, buddy. So thank rats again. Man, 705 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 5: I'm really really happy for you. Now, just a little 706 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 5: shameless plug, I'll be back with Compass Media Networks one 707 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 5: of their NFL hosts for the upcoming season. We do 708 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 5: games of the week and different things, and I know 709 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 5: sometimes they're in LA depending on the game and everything. 710 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 3: So excited. Can't wait for football to start. 711 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 4: Awesome, it's just right around the corner. Thank you, Busie, 712 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 4: scrit to hear your voice again. Be safe, say hi 713 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: to the family and we'll talk to him. 714 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. Really enjoyed it. Thank you. Ben