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Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely, we definitely haven't turned up.
Speaker 4: I've been chasing twine down for a minute because I
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of misconceptions about him as a person,
Speaker 4: him as a player, but just also how motherfucking cold
Speaker 4: he was first and fore. So man, we finally made
Speaker 4: it happen. Welcome to the show, and twine Walker, appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 2: Appreciate our real brothers. Yeah, so one of our real
Speaker 2: brothers before we get started too. Man. Congratulations to man.
Speaker 2: I love you guys changed the game up, man. So
Speaker 2: I'm on the outside inspired by what you guys are doing. Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I reach out to you all the tide,
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Speaker 4: Go speak your truth. I mean, let's get right to it.
Speaker 4: I mean again, there's a narrative out there. Before I
Speaker 4: asked this question. We had inman Shepherd on and he
Speaker 4: spoke so highly of you or how you're still so
Speaker 4: impactful within the community, what you do inside of Chicago,
Speaker 4: what you've done inside of that city. You know, they
Speaker 4: say you spent all your money and you were on
Speaker 4: bad times. I've heard conflicting things, but they say outside
Speaker 4: of that, you've never changed as a person.
Speaker 3: You've always been you. You've always been giving.
Speaker 4: You'll give the shirt off your back, even when they
Speaker 4: said you didn't have it, you were still giving it.
Speaker 4: So that's what kind of makes me think. But talk
Speaker 4: to us just about that time, and you know, with
Speaker 4: with the money and the issues or the issues you had,
Speaker 4: and how.
Speaker 3: You've been able to kind of climb out of that
Speaker 3: and reinvent yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously everything has some truth to it. So I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously I played in the league. I was very fortunate.
Speaker 2: I made over one hundred and eight million dollars playing
Speaker 2: over a thirteen year career, had a really good shoot deal,
Speaker 2: so I you know, I've probably seen one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. So I made a ton of money
Speaker 2: in my career. But I also wanted. You know, I
Speaker 2: did a lot of good things too with it. But
Speaker 2: I think when you hear guys talk about stories like
Speaker 2: especially like man SHUMPERD, they just seen the times that
Speaker 2: I will have host events in my city, invite you guys,
Speaker 2: guys like yourself down and bring them into the sea.
Speaker 2: So they got a chance to know me on a
Speaker 2: personal level, as well as my teammates too as well.
Speaker 2: So I think everybody can always form opinion because I
Speaker 2: did live in a very expensive lifestyle. I mean, I
Speaker 2: come from a family. I'm the oldest of six man,
Speaker 2: so when I got it, I wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: they was good. I wanted to enjoy it. So that
Speaker 2: was That's definitely a true part of my story. I
Speaker 2: think obviously what happened to me and people don't really
Speaker 2: talk about it no more, is that when I found bankruptcy,
Speaker 2: I had a situation in Vegas happened at the same time.
Speaker 2: So that's what made it look really like, Wow, he
Speaker 2: don't got no money. So I was in Vegas training,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, Joe Bunazar out there working out
Speaker 2: with the guys. Stay out there. Six weeks, man, I
Speaker 2: lost a million dollars six weeks. Yeah, So I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how the hell hem? I ain't want to
Speaker 2: pay him a million? So, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out the most creative way to
Speaker 2: get around it. So I took a buy out from him,
Speaker 2: like well, how can I you know, I mean, figure
Speaker 2: this out and end up working a deal out with them.
Speaker 2: But in the process of me working the deal out
Speaker 2: with them, we know Vegas. You know, people they I
Speaker 2: was in Vegas hanging out. What they do? They it
Speaker 2: should have warrant for my arrest because I hadn't paid yet,
Speaker 2: trying to speed up the process. So a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't know that. But they was able to do that.
Speaker 2: After forty five days, once they found air complaint, they
Speaker 2: were able to, you know, actually issue a warrant. So
Speaker 2: I was in Vegas. They knew I was in Vegas planning.
Speaker 2: Actually I was in Nevada, playing the golf tournament in
Speaker 2: Tahoe like Taho, you know the tournament that you see
Speaker 2: Steph and all the guys playing there. So I was
Speaker 2: playing the golf tournament and I'm out the second night.
Speaker 2: I'm out the second night and the police come up
Speaker 2: to me. I'm talking about this two in the morning.
Speaker 2: I'm drunk. I'm like, I'm having a good time. They're like,
Speaker 2: we need to talk to you in the back. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what I do. They're like, well, we have a warrant,
Speaker 2: you know, for your arrest. So come to find out
Speaker 2: it was Vegas mission a warrant and forcing me to
Speaker 2: pay the money. So I had to pay nine hundred
Speaker 2: thousand in order to get out to that that jam
Speaker 2: like the next day. So Noviada people were really good
Speaker 2: to me. So I ended up flying to Vegas and
Speaker 2: ended up taking the situation and taking the fire year
Speaker 2: probation plea deal and had to pay them back now
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand. But I did it in the way
Speaker 2: that it was. It was ready for pessionals. They handled
Speaker 2: it the right way. Put me on the payment plan,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. A hundred thousand, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Here one hundred and fifty this time.
Speaker 2: So it worked out. But the negative press be came
Speaker 2: behind it was so bad. Everybody thought I was broke.
Speaker 2: I was going through this big situation. I just was
Speaker 2: mad at myself, the one that had to pay it.
Speaker 2: So I was stubborn and you know, when the court
Speaker 2: and let the court play out, and the court gave me,
Speaker 2: you know, a payment plan and play it off. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to. You guys know this. We don't want
Speaker 2: to write no check for no happening now now one
Speaker 2: hundred thousands. So I was trying to avoid that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to you don't want to write that type of check.
Speaker 2: So it was an unfortunate situation that played out in
Speaker 2: the media right now. I didn't really get a chance
Speaker 2: to really explain my story, and it was something that
Speaker 2: we knew that I was going through. So at the
Speaker 2: same time that this process was going through over the
Speaker 2: three month period, go and behold what happens. I'm in.
Speaker 2: I'm heavily involved in the real estate deal in Chicago
Speaker 2: real estate company with me and a friend of mine
Speaker 2: at the time. And y'all know two thousand and eighty
Speaker 2: recession here, Yeah, I get caught up in it. So
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't understand the way my company
Speaker 2: was set up that we would basically borrow money from banks.
Speaker 2: So I would put my personal financial portfolio up and
Speaker 2: we were borrowing money from banks and then do our construction.
Speaker 2: So once we set up the business, everything was taking
Speaker 2: care of itself, but I still got these loans that
Speaker 2: we got to pay once to the projects are complete.
Speaker 2: And the recession hit at the same time that I'm
Speaker 2: going through this process, and I'm like, man, it's too
Speaker 2: much bread going out and just talking to the lawyers.
Speaker 2: They was like, hey, it's probably better. There's nowhere around it.
Speaker 2: You're the personal guarantee of this company. You're going to
Speaker 2: be on the hook for this. You might as well
Speaker 2: file bankruptcy and just start over. And that's the instructions
Speaker 2: that I got. I was living in Floyd at the time.
Speaker 2: That's one of the best places to file bankruptcy, and
Speaker 2: I just took that path and that's where everything got there.
Speaker 2: But at the same time that I was going through
Speaker 2: something that was really real, the Vega situation happened, so
Speaker 2: people thought all torn through his money. He did lost
Speaker 2: his money gambling. NA I lost the million dollars gambling,
Speaker 2: but I also want a million dollars before too them,
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the bottom number is, but
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it went back and
Speaker 2: forth so that it was disheardening because people thought that's
Speaker 2: what it was. And obviously you want to explain yourself,
Speaker 2: but you guys know how idea sometimes you just don't.
Speaker 4: Especially whether you don't have to or just have the
Speaker 4: right outlet or platform to do it, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Because back then what was said was they
Speaker 4: swore that's the truth, no matter what. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean, So that there wasn't these kind of outlets
Speaker 4: to be able to sit down and tell this back
Speaker 4: then when it happened.
Speaker 2: That's true to it, because like twelve was probably was
Speaker 2: that started, like social media, I didn't really have the
Speaker 2: platforms to really to really do it. I remember doing
Speaker 2: the story It's Crazy and sitting on you guys platform ESPN.
Speaker 2: Jeremy schaff called me to do an interview. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I went did the interview. I'm thinking, I'm gona get
Speaker 2: an opportunity to get on this platform like we're doing
Speaker 2: right now, talk and tell my story. He took the
Speaker 2: whole story and twisted another way. And that was that
Speaker 2: that that like that killed me right there. He made
Speaker 2: it seem like, you know, Michael Jordan and all those
Speaker 2: guys had me gambling. I lost all my money gambling.
Speaker 2: Never knew the whole real estate part of the business
Speaker 2: aspect of it. So that was that was a little
Speaker 2: that was a little tough part about it, and that's
Speaker 2: what kind of made me shy away from the media
Speaker 2: and really want to get my own platform and do
Speaker 2: my own documentary and tell my own story, control your
Speaker 2: own area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so to being able to obviously, like you said,
Speaker 4: probably came through one hundred and thirty million, going through
Speaker 4: what you go through. First of all, what did you
Speaker 4: learn and what was your process of kind of rebuilding The.
Speaker 2: Learning process is that I thought that I wish I
Speaker 2: would have waited till my careers over with to do
Speaker 2: a lot of investing, you know, Trusting somebody else, especially
Speaker 2: with that type of money was probably the biggest mistake.
Speaker 2: And that's what I learned, and that's what I try
Speaker 2: to always make sure I tell you the guys that's
Speaker 2: in the league now coming up. You know, we retired
Speaker 2: a pretty good young age, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: retired thirty thirty thirty five, So you gonna have plenty
Speaker 2: of time to invest your money do business deals. And
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the biggest mistake that I made,
Speaker 2: is just trying to do things while I'm playing and
Speaker 2: not trusting people and not taking, you know, the initiative
Speaker 2: to be in front of those type of deals, and
Speaker 2: it backfired on me. Unfortunately. I ended up with a
Speaker 2: business partner who ended up Actually it's crazy how life works.
Speaker 2: He ended up going to jail. But at the same
Speaker 2: time that I'm in the bankruptcy, he looked going to
Speaker 2: jail for something that was nothing to do with me,
Speaker 2: some other mortgage for our stuff. So let's just tell you. So,
Speaker 2: I was just with a bad You know, we make
Speaker 2: some mistakes in life. You meet bad people. Everybody's not
Speaker 2: going to be one hundred, and you live and learn.
Speaker 2: So that probably was just some of the things that
Speaker 2: I regret. You wish you could have those moments over,
Speaker 2: but you know, you live and learning and you try
Speaker 2: to move on and try to make it a learning tool.
Speaker 2: I always thought it should be a learning tool for
Speaker 2: a lot of other athletes, because we all sometimes get
Speaker 2: caught up in there and we focusing on basketball and
Speaker 2: we let other people hadle Our business grew up on
Speaker 2: the South side Chicago.
Speaker 1: They say the south side got the offense and the
Speaker 1: west side got the defense.
Speaker 2: Is it true? Yes? And no. See I'm tricky though, Jack. See,
Speaker 2: I'm south Side, but I went to Catholic school, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I was very you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: when I grew up, gangs and drugs was really infested
Speaker 2: in the community, and public schools was kind of tough
Speaker 2: to go to. So I ain't My mom wasn't having
Speaker 2: me go to public school, so you know, she sent
Speaker 2: me to private school. So it was a little different
Speaker 2: for me than some of the other guys in the
Speaker 2: public school. So I never went through that. Like they
Speaker 2: had to play at three fifteen because again they can't
Speaker 2: play at night game. I played seven thirty, so you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, they come to my game. I
Speaker 2: played on Fridays, the Saturday nights. They playing on Mondays
Speaker 2: and Tuesdays and Wednesdays with you. So it was just
Speaker 2: a different I had it a little different. I would
Speaker 2: play against those guys and tournaments and obviously in camps
Speaker 2: and all that, but I didn't have to go through that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I saw. I was so
Speaker 2: grateful for my mom to be able to and we struggled, man,
Speaker 2: I can tell you a quick story. So I was
Speaker 2: so I shouldn't even went to Camp school. I couldn't
Speaker 2: afford to go, so the school had a scholarship program.
Speaker 2: So I get to my senior year, they like, to one,
Speaker 2: you still old eight thousand. I'm like, y'all ain't gonna
Speaker 2: let me walk. I got to graduate. They ain't said
Speaker 2: my transcript to Kentucky. They got me on hole and
Speaker 2: I would have talked to the principal and he was like, look,
Speaker 2: we're gonna graduate you. You did a lot for the school.
Speaker 2: And he was like, we're gonna let you walk across stage.
Speaker 2: But that that that diplomba gonna be empty. That look
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna be empty now, so you know when
Speaker 2: you open it up, it was empty. But I still
Speaker 2: walked across stage, still graduated. That's him. My transk was down.
Speaker 2: So two years later when I turned pro, I went
Speaker 2: and got my diploma. I owed him like nine thousands,
Speaker 2: so I paid him and end up getting my diploma.
Speaker 2: But that's how crazy it was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's how thankful I was. Even my mom could
Speaker 2: really afford it, but she always sent me to private school.
Speaker 2: Gave me more of a easier chance to make it
Speaker 2: through the city. I'm from the inner city, but I
Speaker 2: didn't have to deal with the public school, and and
Speaker 2: my school was all boys too, so it was it
Speaker 2: was a different dynamic for me. So it was great
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 4: My twins are in an all boys high school. I
Speaker 4: don't know how the fuck they do it. I don't
Speaker 4: know how they do it. You went to one too,
Speaker 4: That's why you act the way you act though.
Speaker 2: You know, just sports, you just you just just wrap
Speaker 2: your man around sports, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: bet you all your boy just talked sports.
Speaker 4: That's how you got their girlfriends who were some of
Speaker 4: the other pros, whether it be basketball, other sports that
Speaker 4: were kind of in Chicago at the time he was
Speaker 4: in high school.
Speaker 2: Man, you know what was great about Chicago, It was like, man,
Speaker 2: like thirty of us. Our runs were like crazy. You
Speaker 2: gotta think I'm from the era where it was me
Speaker 2: and my Findley couldn't Richardson, Bobby Simmons. Uh. Then we
Speaker 2: had the young guys ta will buying them, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, We had some you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that's not on top of you know, Juwan Howard, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So we had so many guys
Speaker 2: that were from the city, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So our runs used to be legendary, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And I used to watch out in La
Speaker 2: O U C l A. We go back there and play,
Speaker 2: but we had the same type of run. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like film like that. But we would have twenty five
Speaker 2: thirty pros in the gym, or at least guys that
Speaker 2: played major Division one basketball. So it was it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Every day run you can, you get your work out.
Speaker 2: I never think about lifting weights a getting shots. So
Speaker 2: our runs was three four hours long.
Speaker 3: They're real. I remember. That's why I remember enough to
Speaker 3: cut you off.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 4: When I was in UCLA, just you would come late,
Speaker 4: put your shoes on, and go start instantly cooking, like
Speaker 4: no stretching business doing this bro, no the warm getting jumpers.
Speaker 4: Toe would come late and come in there and just
Speaker 4: start frying mothers.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, man, actually love go out there. So
Speaker 2: I used to come out to that time because I
Speaker 2: used to the AU basketball so I used to sponsor
Speaker 2: the team. So we were l A would go to Vegas, La, Vegas,
Speaker 2: La trips. So I was like, man, I'm going to
Speaker 2: La and Vegas. I can get my workout on too.
Speaker 2: And that's how I used to come out there. I
Speaker 2: used to love y'all run now used to la running special.
Speaker 3: That was all the real, like pro pros, all stars
Speaker 3: and everything.
Speaker 2: You ever you have a hoopy running fields. I did
Speaker 2: hoop of running fields. And I'm gonna tell you how.
Speaker 2: So Ronnie's a little older than me, and you're older
Speaker 2: than me. So I played against them in the summertime.
Speaker 2: I never played against him in a real game, but
Speaker 2: we played in the summer league against each other. But
Speaker 2: unbelievable athlete man like, it was crazy. So I didn't
Speaker 2: get a chance to go against that KG running them
Speaker 2: two guys together, I didn't get a chance to go
Speaker 2: against them. So I'm a little upset about that. I'm
Speaker 2: a little pissed about that I didn't get a chance
Speaker 2: to go against them. That was but they they changed
Speaker 2: the city though high school basketball when Kevin transferred to
Speaker 2: for that first year, and obviously we all know what
Speaker 2: happened to Ronnie. Proably would have been the pro with
Speaker 2: us one day. You know what I mean, the accident.
Speaker 5: Act because I talk about all the time, but you've
Speaker 5: seen it first hand.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was definitely that guy. Yeah, definitely, well respected.
Speaker 2: People loved him. It's just the accident killed him. And
Speaker 2: then when Kevin came, they had the city on lock
Speaker 2: for a public school team. They had the city on
Speaker 2: lock fagging right high school.
Speaker 4: Yea, I've been talking to Ronnie on DMS. We're gonna
Speaker 4: get him, sit down with it.
Speaker 5: Give me your all time Chicago starting five.
Speaker 2: Why would you do that to me?
Speaker 5: And and what city you're gonna put your five up against?
Speaker 2: Two? Three or four? I like that, And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with two point guards. I'm going with Isaiah Thomas
Speaker 2: and Deck Rosey Killer. That's that's that's my that's my
Speaker 2: back court. Now. I gotta put myself in there, of course,
Speaker 2: come on now, So I'm one of the forwards. And
Speaker 2: then Walker Gouie see y'all see, I know, I know
Speaker 2: Michael gauhi yo number one player in the country, I know.
Speaker 2: And then that center, it's a toss up, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean at the center spot. But I gotta
Speaker 2: go Juwan. I gotta go with Juwan. I know he
Speaker 2: not a typical center. I'm gonna go with Juwan though.
Speaker 5: Eddie Curry, huhg Eddie Curry.
Speaker 3: Was he from there? Was Edie from Chicago?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, Ben when No. Obviously being got killed at
Speaker 2: junior year in high school, but I didn't get a
Speaker 2: chance to play against being so I saw footage Raseean Griffin, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Tommy Hamilton. They were good. Yeah, but when you
Speaker 2: talk about the best, but they was you know what
Speaker 2: made them unique. That was the first time that was
Speaker 2: kind of two seven footers in high school on the
Speaker 2: same team. So that's what made them good. And they
Speaker 2: they that's what made them really special. I wanted to
Speaker 2: go to King when they both was there. It's just
Speaker 2: won enough balls, man, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 2: weren't gonna be able to get know shots up. You
Speaker 2: had to go inside to them first. I wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: do that like that, but no, that's what center's gotta
Speaker 2: be jawing. Yeah, and Derek and n Isaiah you can
Speaker 2: take your pick right.
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Speaker 2: I was like playing against Donovan McNabb in high school.
Speaker 1: No, got it wrong, Jack, That was my teammate for
Speaker 1: four teammates play with ready to go read it wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, played with him for four years. Unbelievable. Different because
Speaker 2: I was he a point guard or was just a
Speaker 2: stock to guard stocky two guard, secondly scoring the team,
Speaker 2: but super athletic. But you know, it was even more
Speaker 2: fun watching him is watching him play in football. They
Speaker 2: won't stay tightle I think twice they would ranked number one,
Speaker 2: like I think them more in the country for a
Speaker 2: while a couple of those years, and it was crazy.
Speaker 2: He was a real option quarterback. He would literally throw
Speaker 2: the ball fifteen times and run it twenty five times.
Speaker 2: Like that's how he played. So when he went to Syracuse,
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how great of a past he was.
Speaker 2: I because you never seen it in high school. You
Speaker 2: only see throw about and they was really really good.
Speaker 2: So they were blowing people out. So he wouldn't even
Speaker 2: played the fourth quarter most times. But Don's a real
Speaker 2: good friend of mine. Still see Don, he's you know,
Speaker 2: he left Chicago. He's in the in Phoenix now that
Speaker 2: way with his family. But unbelievable athlete man and fun fact,
Speaker 2: you know, he was on the championship. I mean he's
Speaker 2: on the team that plays in the championship. He didn't play,
Speaker 2: you know, he was one of the first guys that
Speaker 2: made schools recruited for both sports. So he was on
Speaker 2: Syracuse all season, so it was got pretty cool. I
Speaker 2: played against him in that Champs. Yeah, so he was
Speaker 2: actually on the team. That was part of the when
Speaker 2: they recruited him. He had to be able to play
Speaker 2: play both sports. So the football season was over with
Speaker 2: people actually joined the basketball team. That's dope. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that that's that he that
Speaker 2: he played.
Speaker 4: Uh, you end up playing with Rick Patino on Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Were there any other colleges you really thought about going to?
Speaker 2: Or is always Kentucky Midwest guy, so obviously I was coming.
Speaker 2: I was right behind that Michigan run, so definitely thought
Speaker 2: about going to Michigan. But I did like all of
Speaker 2: us did. Men, I had ten home visits. I went
Speaker 2: on five visits Michigan, Kentucky, you n LV Illinois. So
Speaker 2: I took my regular tip five visits, have my ten
Speaker 2: home visits and really kind of let the process play
Speaker 2: itself out. But I just love Kentucky style play. Mass
Speaker 2: Burn was one of my favorite players. Mass Burn was there,
Speaker 2: and I liked it because he was able to know
Speaker 2: he can handle he could shoot the three, So I
Speaker 2: felt like, man, I could fit into that system right there.
Speaker 2: And then coach was telling me that mass was coming
Speaker 2: out that so we're gonna have room for you to
Speaker 2: come in and be able to play right away. So
Speaker 2: that's what really intrigued me to go to go to
Speaker 2: Kentucky because of the style of play. And I saw
Speaker 2: mass burn, so I was like, man, he gonna let
Speaker 2: me do and the ain't gonna take my game away
Speaker 2: from him.
Speaker 3: Talk to us about Rick Patino and just your whole
Speaker 3: Kentucky experience.
Speaker 2: Love him to death. Man, it was unbelievable for me.
Speaker 2: When I came in. I was, you know, like an
Speaker 2: all of us. I was a young high head, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, thought I knew everything, and he
Speaker 2: humbled me and taught me how to work hard and
Speaker 2: put me in a good position to be the best
Speaker 2: basketball player. Because I thought I was a point guard.
Speaker 2: No I did. I thought it was a point guard.
Speaker 2: I mean, you were, I mean, but I thought I
Speaker 2: wanted to play the point. He was like, look, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put you at this point forward, stack right. I
Speaker 2: played the four me and watch McCarty. So we played
Speaker 2: you know, waltching not y'all know how wal was. He
Speaker 2: was kind of a four to two, and we played
Speaker 2: the four and he was like, I'm gonna still let
Speaker 2: you handle. I'm gonna let you do all your things
Speaker 2: and let you shoot the three, but we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a traditional point guard on the floor. And I the
Speaker 2: only thing I could do was stak him man and
Speaker 2: even take it a step further. After my rookie year,
Speaker 2: you guys know, he came to Boston and coach me
Speaker 2: in Boston and made the All Star team, turned me loose,
Speaker 2: put me at the four. When I came into the pros,
Speaker 2: I was at the three, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 2: had a good rookie year, ever, seventeen and a half,
Speaker 2: made First team All Rookie Team, played well, but he
Speaker 2: was like, your advantage is at the four.
Speaker 3: Quickness.
Speaker 2: He was like, look, you gotta go to the four.
Speaker 2: He said, I know you don't want to, but he said,
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna be.
Speaker 3: What was your playing wait when you first came in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 2: Came in at two thirty five. I think when I
Speaker 2: went in the draft, got to like two forty five
Speaker 2: and tapped out with the heat you know, you know
Speaker 2: pat Riot on that's around. So I played it like
Speaker 2: two fifty with the heat on the on the on
Speaker 2: the low seven eight percent body sack with past solid.
Speaker 2: Yeah solid. But in Boston when I first came in,
Speaker 2: I was like two thirty five, got to like two
Speaker 2: forty five, played around and wait and just stayed there,
Speaker 2: stayed in between two fifty five, like no more than
Speaker 2: two fifty five when I played, because I had to
Speaker 2: guard some three. You know what I mean. That year
Speaker 2: we won a championship, I'm guarding that run, the whole run,
Speaker 2: I'm guarding. Richard Jefferson, Josh Howard, you know y'all niggas,
Speaker 2: I can't chase y'all. I'm chasing y'all around. Y'all, I'm
Speaker 2: chasing y'all around. Man, these screens Richard Jefferson, Josh howdee?
Speaker 2: Boys like this moving? That's how we But that's if
Speaker 2: coach loved you D. It was like, twe if you
Speaker 2: want to you want these minutes, I ain't budgeting on you. D.
Speaker 2: You know you had a special special love for you D.
Speaker 2: So I moved to the three.
Speaker 3: Whatever it takes.
Speaker 4: But before we get back to the league ninety six
Speaker 4: National Championship Loaded Team TV McCarty.
Speaker 2: Nine pros nine Pro nine pros. I was just talking
Speaker 2: to somebody earlier about this today. Just unbelievable team. The
Speaker 2: best thing that ever happened to us was that year,
Speaker 2: and people, and you guys can understand us. In college,
Speaker 2: we went on our European trip, so we got a
Speaker 2: chance that year to go on to European trip. Was
Speaker 2: going to be ranked number one, but that trip gave
Speaker 2: us an idea of what we can really be. And
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, man, our practice was tougher
Speaker 2: than our games. And that's not bragging you pros, but
Speaker 2: our practice used to be strong because we was fighting
Speaker 2: for minutes. Yeah, I mean, you know, I let the
Speaker 2: team in minutes and I think I only average like
Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty eight minutes, but our margin the
Speaker 2: victory was twenty four to twenty five, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So we blew out a lot of teams,
Speaker 2: so we didn't get a chance to finish a lot
Speaker 2: of games. But I love that team were still together today. Man,
Speaker 2: We got a group chat that we all stay on,
Speaker 2: you know, wishing each other happy birthday, holidays, everything, and
Speaker 2: we stay in really good contact, really special group and
Speaker 2: that we're still all friends too to this day. So
Speaker 2: I love that about that group.
Speaker 5: Did y'all have like an A team and a B team?
Speaker 2: Like, let me tell you what's funny. We didn't have
Speaker 2: an AMB team. But you know what he did start
Speaker 2: that year, He started a JV team. So let me
Speaker 2: tell you why I'm asking you that.
Speaker 1: I know why you asked me, because we bust their
Speaker 1: ass when I was their old kid.
Speaker 2: Yep, I was a senior high school and they brought
Speaker 2: up see that because y'all didn't play. Y'all was y'all
Speaker 2: was the A team to me? Yeah? No, no, no, this
Speaker 2: is what happened. Nazi Muhammad, Yes, Nazi Muhammad came in
Speaker 2: and signed with US. Nazi people don't notice. Naves was
Speaker 2: like three fifty three sixty when he came into college,
Speaker 2: lost one hundred pounds because he used to be on
Speaker 2: him every day. Man, he had to work out twice
Speaker 2: a day plus practice get all his ways. But he
Speaker 2: created the JV team for NAS. Really, yes, so Nas
Speaker 2: had his own schedule, so he had him and like
Speaker 2: Wayne Turner, Wayne played a couple of games. But stack
Speaker 2: don't get you busted. It wasn't y'all. Y'all wasn't there.
Speaker 2: There was some managers on the team too.
Speaker 1: Like we was. We was in high school. I know
Speaker 1: that everybody's in college. That's true, that's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So in my mind, oh yeah, it's going down.
Speaker 1: We bust that ass. But but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna keep it poking. We knew, y'all
Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know what I'm saying. We knew all
Speaker 1: the best players and starters wasn't there. But that still
Speaker 1: was a game for us to get up. That was
Speaker 1: definitely ours so he could be out to play. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: huh right true facts you right, Okay, wasn't a regularigh
Speaker 1: school either.
Speaker 2: That's true. Ron, I've heard stories, but now I'm saying
Speaker 2: that that but that team was creating. I never knew that.
Speaker 2: Nobody know that. That was created to get him in shape. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get him in shape, and they give him some playing times.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was another player on the team.
Speaker 2: I can't think of start year, Ye want year, We
Speaker 2: wanted t D Tony Delk, Waltter McCarty, myself, Derek Anderson
Speaker 2: that was, and.
Speaker 1: Mark Pope with none of them in that screenage, Mark Pope,
Speaker 1: Mark Pope.
Speaker 2: And sometimes Pope won that Jeff Shepherd. You know we
Speaker 2: got ship she is that his the sons that could
Speaker 2: take that's that's your son.
Speaker 3: I knew the last thing. I was like, I think,
Speaker 3: just like yeah.
Speaker 2: Just like him. Ye yeah, you got Jeff yep. But
Speaker 2: you know, Derek transferred over and he set out the
Speaker 2: first year he had to sit out. Transferred from Ohio State.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. From Louisville, Fromville. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he was at Ohio State, so you had to
Speaker 2: sit out. So and then he came back the next year.
Speaker 2: You know, he went to the championship game twice a
Speaker 2: c L. They went it back to back, easy, yep,
Speaker 2: they went. We was loaded though, I mean we was loaded.
Speaker 2: We had nine pros, now legit pros, all guys that
Speaker 2: now know guys got drafted fifty seven fifty everybody first round,
Speaker 2: early second that's dope.
Speaker 4: So you win a championship, you leave in a loaded
Speaker 4: ninety six draft, you go sixth. Uh just for everyone,
Speaker 4: you know, that's Iverson Cole, Steve Nash, Jermaine, O'Neil, ray, Allen, yourself, Marlburry.
Speaker 3: Canby, I do it.
Speaker 4: Raheem Paysia uh any any crazy stories. Obviously you guys
Speaker 4: have a legendary shoot for Slam. I think this is
Speaker 4: Slam thirty year anniversary. Uh this year, But any crazy
Speaker 4: stories about this photo or or memorable parts.
Speaker 2: You know what? I just for me? That process I
Speaker 2: worked out for nine teams, bro Like that process was hard,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how they do it now, and
Speaker 2: you know they lot, but I worked out for nine teams.
Speaker 2: I had to really like, you gotta work like very
Speaker 2: had you working. And the best story I got member
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. They brought all the wings there, me, John Wallace,
Speaker 2: Walt went there with Dante Jones. It was it was
Speaker 2: wing heavy and they just brought us all in at once.
Speaker 2: It was like play one on one like this there,
Speaker 2: roll the ball out, play came.
Speaker 3: On top, Come on, man, come on.
Speaker 2: And I remember I remember Kevin McHale. They picked fifth
Speaker 2: and he was like, to one, I gotta take a
Speaker 2: point guard. He's like, I want to take you back.
Speaker 2: They had just took Kevin the year before. He was like,
Speaker 2: I can't take another forward and so he ended up
Speaker 2: going Steph at four. I think Stephan went four to Minnesota.
Speaker 2: They switched, they flip flopped and the day of the draft,
Speaker 2: Eric Montross got traded rest in Peace. He got traded
Speaker 2: to Dallas and they flip flopped. So Dallas moved to
Speaker 2: nine and we went to Boston went to six because
Speaker 2: they didn't think I was gonna you didn't make it,
Speaker 2: and I ended up getting picked by number six. But
Speaker 2: I wouldn't changing it for the world. Man my workout
Speaker 2: in Boston, Man Larry Bird read all back. Emil car
Speaker 2: was the head coach GM, Dennis Johnson was still alive.
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta think Tommy Heinsen, Jojo White, the
Speaker 2: history all these guys in my workout, bro like this.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that the tradition, it was like
Speaker 2: you wanted to be there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: if you got an opportunity to be there. So they
Speaker 2: end up moving up on draft night and taking me six.
Speaker 4: It's said it's the greatest draft class in the history
Speaker 4: of the game.
Speaker 2: I think, so I'm just being biased. If you look
Speaker 2: at like the second round picks and impactful guys were
Speaker 2: on the teams, just take a peek at it, like
Speaker 2: and sometimes just look at it and be like, how
Speaker 2: impactful guys was on the team. These one guys just
Speaker 2: got drafted. They had some impacts, you know, on the game.
Speaker 2: So that's why that's why I always think that that's why,
Speaker 2: that's what my argument comes in that you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of people you don't
Speaker 2: think about the Lebron class, right it is that they
Speaker 2: got it one of the users. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: it's a fair argument. I think we number one. I
Speaker 2: think I mean, I remember them doing the special, doing
Speaker 2: the interview for it, and they was talking about them.
Speaker 2: When I really started looking at it and really analyzing them.
Speaker 2: You look at our second round picks and guys that
Speaker 2: have been productive in the NBA. Probably it's definitely the
Speaker 2: best draft.
Speaker 5: What was your relationship with Son of a Camera and Adidas?
Speaker 2: Wow, man like a father figure for me. So you
Speaker 2: guys know this. So when AAU basketball started when I
Speaker 2: when we was coming out, they changed. So the camps.
Speaker 2: So my sophomore year, I went to Nike camp. This
Speaker 2: back when you had to go to class too, Remember
Speaker 2: that you had to go to class and go to camp.
Speaker 2: So I went to Nike camp my sophomore year. And
Speaker 2: then the next year Sunny had started Adidas. Our AU
Speaker 2: program was Adidas program and Sonny was like, Hey, we
Speaker 2: want you guys to come there. And what really helped
Speaker 2: my career is that back then, tell you another story.
Speaker 2: You had to play with your state. They didn't know
Speaker 2: how they mix the teams up and you had They
Speaker 2: didn't mix the teams up this year. You had to
Speaker 2: n C double a change the rules, so you had
Speaker 2: to play with your state. And mister Irvin rest in
Speaker 2: Peace was like, listen. He was the coach of our team.
Speaker 2: He ran the AU program. He was like, look, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put you at point guard. Well, like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play you at point for the thing, and I ain't
Speaker 2: gonna lie for the first five days. I tore a
Speaker 2: camp up at the point guard spot. So I went
Speaker 2: from like top thirty in the country. I left that
Speaker 2: like fifth in the country rank ranking rise. Ran out
Speaker 2: of gas like on the sixth seventh day because you
Speaker 2: have to be that seven day, So I ran out
Speaker 2: of gas towards the end. But I had a great time.
Speaker 2: This is the year Fleet Lopez was number one in
Speaker 2: the country. Steph was like three or four in the country.
Speaker 2: So it was that year, but I ended up moving
Speaker 2: up to number five leaving that camp and it was
Speaker 2: history after that, but Sonny took care of me. Man
Speaker 2: made sure I was good and the funny story. So
Speaker 2: my sophomore year we finished up, we win a title
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, back then the internet was
Speaker 2: a little different. So my boy called me. One of
Speaker 2: my good friends like, man, you should you should come out.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, back then, we want to think
Speaker 2: about coming out at least doing three, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: just stay off four. So I'm like, no, I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm ready. I'm like nah. He was like, man,
Speaker 2: call Sonny Man. So I called Sonny, say, Sonny, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about coming out. What you think about this?
Speaker 2: He was like, give me a day. Called me back,
Speaker 2: and he was like, son I don't like to encourage
Speaker 2: guys to come out of school early. Gave me the
Speaker 2: whole speech, but he was like, you a love to
Speaker 2: make sure it was good. Yeah. Man. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm nervous and I don't know. You know, Rick Bettino,
Speaker 2: we you know, don't get me. Man's a father figure.
Speaker 2: So we was kind of scared of coach too, though,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I go in the office,
Speaker 2: I said, coach, Man, I think about going pro. He
Speaker 2: was like okay. He was like, uh, give me, give
Speaker 2: me forty eight hours. It's like, all right, called me
Speaker 2: forty eight hours to his house now. So I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 2: Manna tell me, you know what I mean, gotta stay.
Speaker 2: He was like, uh, no, we're coming out. He was like, no,
Speaker 2: we're coming out. This is what we're Finnah due, We're
Speaker 2: gonna bring in three agents. I'm we're gonna interview three
Speaker 2: agents in front of us. We're gonna make sure we
Speaker 2: got three agents, you know what I mean, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna come out. He was like, tell your mom them
Speaker 2: to get ready, but we're gonna come out of school.
Speaker 2: So I was like, man, dope. So he sat in
Speaker 2: every meeting with me, with all the agents. I ended
Speaker 2: up signing with David Falk. At the time, they was Fame.
Speaker 2: They were called Fame at the time. They had represented
Speaker 2: Jordan Patrick Ewing, Juwan Howard and basically he was like,
Speaker 2: we're going with them, Sonny v Carol came in sign here. No,
Speaker 2: I came in right, So funny story. You guys gonna
Speaker 2: let this story. So come in. We get in the meeting,
Speaker 2: me coach Patine on him, David falk We in the
Speaker 2: meeting and Sonny like, deal off the table. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what I got? Deal off the table? Like, I don't
Speaker 2: deal with that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Who are you talking about?
Speaker 2: They fuck? So something to do with MJ. Bro don't
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with me, Yes, something to do
Speaker 2: with MJ. Don't got nothing to do with me. Y'all
Speaker 2: gotta think I'm nineteen. I'm sitting here. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. They arguing like cancer dogs in the meeting,
Speaker 2: like going at it. So I just stepped back. I
Speaker 2: just let it go by. And it was another lady
Speaker 2: that was with Adidas and she just poured saint to
Speaker 2: the side and said, you know, it's not fed at
Speaker 2: this kid to be. Y'all got this going on, and
Speaker 2: he upped the deal. So he uped the deal for me.
Speaker 2: He felt bad and gave me like another two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousands. I ended up signing with Adidas when
Speaker 2: I first came out because obviously I had the relationship
Speaker 2: with Sonny, but they got the deal done. But it
Speaker 2: was crazy. I tell that story because it was crazy
Speaker 2: to watch Dy would fuck and Sonny argue like that
Speaker 2: over MJA.
Speaker 3: What was it. What was it? I just watched the
Speaker 3: movie not too long ago.
Speaker 2: What was it called The Air, Like I think they
Speaker 2: had a little bit of it in there.
Speaker 4: They have it like allegedly that Sonny went behind Davids
Speaker 4: back to get the family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it must have been. Something with that bro.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about they fighting like cast and dogs, arguing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: my little my little shoe deal. I'm trying to get off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm trying to get my little deal
Speaker 2: and move around. But that was a that was a
Speaker 2: crazy story, crazy situation. I'd up going with Sunny because
Speaker 2: I obviously built a relationship in high school with him
Speaker 2: and he did nothing. It was great. I signed. I
Speaker 2: played all thirteen years on the.
Speaker 3: Dudas employee number eight. How fun was that?
Speaker 4: I Mean these national TV commercials talked to us about
Speaker 4: that process and how it came out.
Speaker 2: I was great. Man. I owned it to Jim Gatto. Man.
Speaker 2: Jim Gatto was with Adidas at the time, and he
Speaker 2: basically came up with this whole campaign, you know, imember
Speaker 2: new kids on the block. So they was like, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of put that thing with it. I wore number eight.
Speaker 2: The number came because if you guys know, ain't no
Speaker 2: numbers left in Boston. I wore twenty four. I wanted
Speaker 2: twenty four. I think Coozy is twenty four, so that
Speaker 2: you know that's up in the raptors. So it was
Speaker 2: just one no numbers. So eight just kind of stumbled
Speaker 2: on me. So it wasn't nothing significant to the number eight.
Speaker 2: It was just on the draft. Now you know, I'm happy,
Speaker 2: I'm geeked up. They're like, we ain't got no number.
Speaker 2: We got twenty four, hig list of numbers, we got
Speaker 2: which one you want? I was like, just give me eight.
Speaker 2: And it just so it was just really random and
Speaker 2: nothing to it. But and they just built this whole
Speaker 2: campaign man around his shoe and it was great. It
Speaker 2: was nothing that I really thought of. It was all
Speaker 2: Adidas and really kind of pinpointed with the Celtics and
Speaker 2: doing this a big market and they could do a
Speaker 2: lot with me, and it was great. It was a
Speaker 2: great experience. Got to do a huge national commercial for them,
Speaker 2: and then obviously Jack no, we got to travel the world.
Speaker 2: But that was the unique time though too though, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean me, Jack Trace, Grady, Kobe, Jermaine O'Neill. They
Speaker 2: were like you know, they were It felt good because
Speaker 2: they were doing the They were really getting into Adidas basketball.
Speaker 2: Anybody Adidas know, No, they laid it had on soccer
Speaker 2: and they were really twitching the narrative and really getting
Speaker 2: into to basketball and really giving us a global opportunity
Speaker 2: to be famous, you know what I mean, to build
Speaker 2: our brand and giving us insight on the shoes we
Speaker 2: wanted to wear. They were just changing everything. So it
Speaker 2: was it was great to be a part of that.
Speaker 2: I always enjoyed my thirteen years with these number of
Speaker 2: great memories and they treated me great.
Speaker 1: You know how they go the boxes they used to
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember the twenty people.
Speaker 4: Remember at the end, you had to spend a certain
Speaker 4: amount of money every summer we was buying the whole
Speaker 4: neighborhood ship three strike down.
Speaker 2: You gotta get your number in it. You gotta think
Speaker 2: if you tell your allotment was one hundred thousand, that
Speaker 2: really was two, right, It was really two hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: You know how hard people thinking that it's hard to
Speaker 4: spend that much money on these You can't get anything
Speaker 4: you want to. But it's just so much money. It's
Speaker 4: hard to spend all. Yeah, ship, I wish I had
Speaker 4: a little allotment right now.
Speaker 2: Real it's how we can't get a pair of shoes
Speaker 2: from now. How y'all feel you got to buy shoes?
Speaker 2: I still feel something way with that ship.
Speaker 3: I ain't.
Speaker 1: I don't buy ten of shoes like I don't get
Speaker 1: the boxes like I used to with Jordan.
Speaker 2: But I got so many shoes from all years.
Speaker 3: Stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. So what about like a new pair
Speaker 2: come out about Lewis? Yeah, let me tell you what
Speaker 2: I was mad about. Remember when yeasies first came out.
Speaker 3: Those used to be a lot, those used to come
Speaker 3: in the p I.
Speaker 2: Couldn't get a pair. I was hot. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: went out for thirteen years. Y'all give me no shipes though. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I couldn't get no. I couldn't get no yeezy. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I got thirteen they like, yo, you know it's ship.
Speaker 1: The quote when you said, when they say white, shoot
Speaker 1: so many threes, you said, because there's no force, because the.
Speaker 2: Man what we're doing right now, All Star Weekend had
Speaker 2: too many in the night before I would keep it,
Speaker 2: which you know, you come here and got media requests,
Speaker 2: you know, the media day, you're doing your media day
Speaker 2: and at that time, and what really was irritating because
Speaker 2: for two years Jim up went out. So when Patino left,
Speaker 2: Jim O'Brien took over, who was assistant coach at Kentucky
Speaker 2: and obviously came to Boston with coach Patino, but he
Speaker 2: took over. But so he knew my game, no, obviously
Speaker 2: from top to bottom, and he when coach Patino left,
Speaker 2: he was like, look, i want you to shoot eight
Speaker 2: the ten threes a game. See a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't know that. I know, we're watching a three point
Speaker 2: game now and the guys shooting. He told me shoot
Speaker 2: eight the ten a game. You know, Paul was doing
Speaker 2: all the heavy lifting, you know, getting to the basket.
Speaker 2: Like look yo, he like shoot eight to ten a game.
Speaker 2: So once he instilled that confidence, sent me to shoot
Speaker 2: shoot that many should I made. I'm making that I'm
Speaker 2: shooting six hundred, seven hundred three is for a season? Easy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like it changed
Speaker 2: it up. So at All Star Break, I'm just getting
Speaker 2: tired of the question because it was kind of only me,
Speaker 2: probably Rashie Wallace, but Rashie would shot as mini as me.
Speaker 2: He was shooting the three. It wasn't really no big
Speaker 2: guys stepping out really shooting threes. Derek Coleman was still
Speaker 2: in the league around that time. He was shooting a
Speaker 2: little bit of them, so it wasn't really no big
Speaker 2: guy shooting the three. So it just one comment. So
Speaker 2: I used to get like it was crazy in Boston.
Speaker 2: Y'all know how Boston fans is, They all boo you
Speaker 2: one play, you make it, then that nextually the next one.
Speaker 2: So it was just one of those things that people
Speaker 2: had to get used to. But I always credit, you know,
Speaker 2: Jim O'Brien for that, forgiving me the confidence and actually
Speaker 2: making that a part of our team. And we went far.
Speaker 2: We went obviously went to the Eastern Conference finals, playing
Speaker 2: that way we end up, and we went to the
Speaker 2: second round. We we went against that New Jersey run tough.
Speaker 2: They was tough, Kenyan mar and Jay Kid, Richard Jefferson.
Speaker 2: We couldn't get past them. Man, they knocked us out
Speaker 2: two years in a row.
Speaker 4: But I mean, you was, I mean, if you think
Speaker 4: about where the game was then and where it's at
Speaker 4: now it's normal. But you were shooting almost eight threes
Speaker 4: a game, led the league in attempts for three years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made like, man, I made one hundred and
Speaker 2: eight men, I probably could have made three. Oh eaight
Speaker 2: bro right now, seriously, my game would translated to nationaltility. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a premium now you shoot the three, so I
Speaker 2: would have definitely been I always tell people that, I
Speaker 2: say the game now is different. I remember to get
Speaker 2: booed for that.
Speaker 3: Man, Like you have to go inside out.
Speaker 4: People don't know, like the game the ball if you
Speaker 4: had a big or even if you didn't have a big,
Speaker 4: just to get.
Speaker 3: The offense and had to go inside out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the way the game is now. People
Speaker 2: thought it would never be played that way. I think,
Speaker 2: and I credit I think Golden State opened it up
Speaker 2: to where people start looking at it differently because they
Speaker 2: was able to shoot the three and yeah and win
Speaker 2: shoot the.
Speaker 3: Three and died by three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they won the championship with it. So I
Speaker 2: think that that changed it up, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what allow other teams and other organizations and coaches to believe.
Speaker 3: That the league it's a copycat league.
Speaker 2: Oh, no question.
Speaker 4: Ninety eight, Paul Pierce comes to town. Just what's what's
Speaker 4: the earliest memory of memory of Paul?
Speaker 2: Tough ship talker, you uh, still burn super super confident
Speaker 2: and kind of like, you know, demanded his you know
Speaker 2: his role, you know what I mean. He came in
Speaker 2: and people don't understand this, and you guys know this.
Speaker 2: He came in with a huge chip on the shoulder
Speaker 2: because Paul supposed to win the top five. So when
Speaker 2: he slid the ten he was. He came in mad
Speaker 2: and obviously his work ethic was tremendous. We hadn't seen
Speaker 2: nobody like him with Mitt Rain's game. You know, his
Speaker 2: body was kind of different. You think he's slow, he
Speaker 2: ain't slow. You think he ain't athletic. He's athletic. He'd
Speaker 2: knuck on you. And you know, his confidence was to
Speaker 2: the roof. But one thing I can say, Paul came
Speaker 2: in respecting me. We became friends instantly off the court,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what made it easy for us
Speaker 2: on the court. We respect each other's game so much.
Speaker 2: And and you guys know this and a lot of
Speaker 2: people that when he went through that incident, obviously in
Speaker 2: the club and in that situation. It just changed the dynamics,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean of our friendship obviously, to
Speaker 2: see somebody go through that and to see how tough
Speaker 2: he was, how fast he came back because you know us,
Speaker 2: I know you guys, I would have to get traded.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I would have I would
Speaker 2: have been looking for a little ass man. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I would have want some get back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he locked in. You know what I'm saying, State
Speaker 2: focused State cloakes on his craft and became a you know,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a Hall of Famer now. So you
Speaker 2: know that's that's that's culos to him for doing.
Speaker 3: That and played all eighty two that season.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying itself. In the mirror, man, you know,
Speaker 2: used to have like little knicks and stuff from the stabbings,
Speaker 2: you know, from from the stabbing, and he would just
Speaker 2: look at it in the mirror. You'll catch him in
Speaker 2: the bathroom in the mirror. So I think he just
Speaker 2: used as motivation to me. I never asked him that,
Speaker 2: but I think that's what he used it. Ass you
Speaker 2: can do them.
Speaker 4: Early to off two thousand playoff battles with with with
Speaker 4: Philly and Ai and Reggie and in Indiana the Painter
Speaker 4: or the Piston teams. What was it like early two
Speaker 4: thousands for you guys in the playoff runs?
Speaker 2: It was great because me and Paul were so young.
Speaker 2: We didn't really know what we was getting ourselves into
Speaker 2: and what it really took to really get over. So
Speaker 2: we were just playing our pure talent. I don't think
Speaker 2: we had the same teams that those guys had, from
Speaker 2: top to from top to bottom.
Speaker 1: He was on the he was on the next team.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Jack, I was on the team. You was
Speaker 2: on the team. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: You sent us home in Indy. Man, that's what we're
Speaker 2: talking about now. He was talking about No, I was
Speaker 2: talking about the nest. He's talking about the nest now,
Speaker 2: said Reggie. He was on that team. Yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 2: just want to well, if you want to tell the
Speaker 2: whole story, tell the whole story. Now.
Speaker 1: I got suspended that year, but it all came back
Speaker 1: and sent them home.
Speaker 2: Sitting home thirty games. Okay, Okay, I say that because
Speaker 2: I and Paul talk shit all the time. Okay, I
Speaker 2: used to go at it First of all, let's start
Speaker 2: with this. I wasn't on the team the season start, No,
Speaker 2: I got I wasn't on the team, right, so let's
Speaker 2: start with that. I got traded back to Boston, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we run off third team. We went like twelve out
Speaker 2: of thirteen or something to catch that. We finished third
Speaker 2: in the division. I jump on the team. K we
Speaker 2: catch all, y'all? Yeah? Yeah, we played the first right, y'all,
Speaker 2: sixth seed because Reggie last year.
Speaker 1: Yep, because Braun had missed the whole season. Yeah, suspended,
Speaker 1: so that's what thirty games? Yeah, so we played our
Speaker 1: first round. I remember this series, y'all beat us in
Speaker 1: seven games.
Speaker 2: You ain't say that. You just said we beat the
Speaker 2: ship out of y'all. It was you ain't say in
Speaker 2: seven games, not in seven. But that game sad and
Speaker 2: I got suspended on some bullshit because I touched the
Speaker 2: referee a game that was like like two or three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: me Andain O'Neil getting to push him back. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 2: Jo getting the pushing match, right. They listen Stu Jackson,
Speaker 2: I never forget this call. Me was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: gotta suspend you. I was like what he was like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: those guys from y'all brawl. He was like, I gotta
Speaker 2: suspend you a game. I got a layer wall down.
Speaker 2: Jayo was involved in that. We got to suspend you
Speaker 2: get They suspended me one game. I was man, lost
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand that game. Game check. I was pissed
Speaker 2: about that. I said, I was mad, and I think
Speaker 2: and Paul standing they beat y'all game. Yeah, we meet y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he beat them to guess a game six? Yeah that that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Me and Jay y'all getting a fake basketball fight, man,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know we fight, man. You
Speaker 2: know in the playoffs, we just pushing on each other
Speaker 2: because they were scared. I took the referee and moved them.
Speaker 2: I was gonna do nothing. You can't testify, man, he
Speaker 2: suspended me a game. Let them boys off the hook.
Speaker 2: But that was Reggie last year. Though, that was last year.
Speaker 3: Any good memories from club, isn't it? At Paul's house?
Speaker 2: Who told you that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know? Well, okay, listen, So I got there. They
Speaker 2: was already started. So I got traded back to the team.
Speaker 2: So you know how we get back to the team,
Speaker 2: Like now, were rolling, we run up. I catched them
Speaker 2: on the West Coach. We went sixth straight on the
Speaker 2: West Coast. I catched him on the West Coast. We back.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, Paul, are we doing now for the party?
Speaker 2: Already said yeah, we had the crib had the crib Yeah, clubs, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was legendary. Well, you know Paul side
Speaker 2: because the club's closed it too. So you know Paul
Speaker 2: thing on going about four or five. Everything you need, everything,
Speaker 2: everything is there, everything you need.
Speaker 3: He bro.
Speaker 4: He invited me to a Super Bowl party just last week,
Speaker 4: and I just knew I couldn't go, So I called
Speaker 4: him him and take it over there, and I was like,
Speaker 4: show he's going on? I was. I was glad I
Speaker 4: didn't go. This ship was popping. I'm like, Paul is
Speaker 4: still club shisn it? Twenty five years later in the
Speaker 4: valley Paula loves having a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's crazy. He told you all that story.
Speaker 2: That was that was, that was the hangout man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he changed the whole dynamics of us. But he had
Speaker 2: in the crib. That's the only thing that was everybody
Speaker 2: that he had it in the house. But you know,
Speaker 2: Boston clothes at two o'clock closed early, but clubs, the
Speaker 2: club didn't.
Speaker 3: Close everything you needed.
Speaker 4: Two thousand and two, you guys lose to a tough
Speaker 4: New Jersey next team, kidd Uh. You and Kmark went
Speaker 4: at it. Yeah, talk about them battles.
Speaker 2: Kmark was tough for me because he was strong, but
Speaker 2: he had quick feet, so that that was his thing,
Speaker 2: was athletic. He had quick feet, so he would give
Speaker 2: me trouble. But I got the green light, so my
Speaker 2: numbers gonna look good. He was talking about you gonna
Speaker 2: go ten for twenty six, but I got I got
Speaker 2: twenty eight, yeah, and twelve, so my numbers look good.
Speaker 2: But one year he got the best of me. I
Speaker 2: struggled that whole series, but we salce. I love to
Speaker 2: go against against Kmark just because of his defensibility, made
Speaker 2: you change your game, made you work on it. But
Speaker 2: they were better than us. They were deep. They can
Speaker 2: go eight ten. They had two units. We were struggling.
Speaker 2: We had, you know, it was me and already trying
Speaker 2: to do it, and their depth just wore us down. Man,
Speaker 2: when it came down to it, we would get them.
Speaker 2: They swept us the second year. The first year we
Speaker 2: went six with them, and then they swept us. It
Speaker 2: just couldn't and we caught the people don't understand this,
Speaker 2: and you guys remember this. We caught that triple double
Speaker 2: Jason Kidd for two years when he was setting them records.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the Jason Kidd that we played against,
Speaker 2: lightning fast Jason Kidd. He obviously ended up shooting better,
Speaker 2: but this is the dude that gets to the basket.
Speaker 2: We want to make so many other players better. So
Speaker 2: we went against that kid that was should have been
Speaker 2: the MV could have easily been the MVP back to back.
Speaker 2: So that's and a lot of people don't never talk
Speaker 2: about that. But there was two unbelievable years that Jason
Speaker 2: Kidd had to knock us out. We didn't have anybody,
Speaker 2: you know, and Kenny my man. Kenny asked, and I
Speaker 2: love him to death. That's my dog and the great
Speaker 2: make But Jake was nobody. It was tough Jake Kidd, man,
Speaker 2: it was tough back then. The finals.
Speaker 1: We didn't have nobody. He we beat them in the finals,
Speaker 1: but ja Kid was so dominant in the finals. They was,
Speaker 1: but they were trying to trade Tony Parker for him
Speaker 1: right after the finals. Immediately after the finals. They were
Speaker 1: trying to trade like that he was that good.
Speaker 2: We went against that. That Jason kid was second or nothing, man,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't get over that hump never stopped me
Speaker 2: from going to farm. We thought we had him, We
Speaker 2: felt confident, but there was something. He just turned it
Speaker 2: on man, and we went up to one in the series.
Speaker 2: We thought we had him, but dude, I think he
Speaker 2: averaged a triple double for the series, some crazy like
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and fifteen something. It was something crazy, yo,
Speaker 2: that he averaged for the series.
Speaker 3: When does shimmy come about?
Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy in college so you know, like I
Speaker 2: was somebody was sharing with your guys at the college story.
Speaker 2: So you know, we used to dance, like lock it
Speaker 2: up there. You know, the campus is no wit in
Speaker 2: the dorms and stuff like that. We used to mess
Speaker 2: around and dance and all that. So one time in
Speaker 2: the game, I just know I got dunk and just
Speaker 2: started shaking. I'm like okay, and everybody's laughing, and then
Speaker 2: coach said, look, he said, look, you can dance all
Speaker 2: you want as long as you get in this press.
Speaker 2: He was like, long as you get in a defense.
Speaker 2: They said, I don't care what you do. So once
Speaker 2: coach Patino says, lo, I started dancing. Man, So if
Speaker 2: I get a dunk, it was better to get an
Speaker 2: ad one. But if I got a dunk and started
Speaker 2: dancing and get back on top of the ball, look
Speaker 2: at some of my cars. So I was dunk and
Speaker 2: then get right on top of the press, get the press.
Speaker 2: It just became a thing. It was just among us
Speaker 2: as a team, and then when I got in the league,
Speaker 2: it just became kind of like part of my soul. Man,
Speaker 2: Like I was like something I had to do. We
Speaker 2: make a run, I make a big shot. It just
Speaker 2: became like part of me. Only one coach had a
Speaker 2: problem with it in my career, don Nelson. So I
Speaker 2: got traded. I got traded to the Maths. I's surprised
Speaker 2: I get traded now. I got traded to the mass
Speaker 2: And I got traded right before the season started. So
Speaker 2: it's preseason. So we playing Sacramento in the preseason game.
Speaker 2: I get off. It's a preseason game. I get off,
Speaker 2: I dance, I do a little shake man. After the game.
Speaker 2: The first dingy topic game you about the game, it's
Speaker 2: about me. Hey, we don't do that here. I don't
Speaker 2: want you to dance on He just call me walk walk.
Speaker 2: You can't dance here. I'm like, damn coach, he like
Speaker 2: not here. But you're not gotta respect Nellie. Man, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You gotta respect y'all play for
Speaker 2: y'all know that that's my man. You know I love Nellie,
Speaker 2: so I had to respect him. So he took it
Speaker 2: away from me. Man, Yeah, he took it away from me.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, played a key role into in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six and the he championship team average thirteen to
Speaker 1: fourteen points. How did it feel being on that team
Speaker 1: win the championship playing against the Mavericks.
Speaker 2: Man, That's what That's probably the best team I've ever
Speaker 2: been on.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: To be among those collections of guys, you know, shock,
Speaker 2: young d Wade coming into his own but Gary so
Speaker 2: Jay will posey U D And you know, we had
Speaker 2: this thing that we made up called fifteen strong, and
Speaker 2: people thought it was a joke, but it really was
Speaker 2: fifteen strong. I never played on the team in my
Speaker 2: life and party and played basketball at that level and
Speaker 2: win the championship, that was like it was like a whirlwind. Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm not lying like I was. South Beach was was
Speaker 2: calling me every night it's you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: As well as and then we practicing three and a
Speaker 2: half hours every day like it's this was like this
Speaker 2: was crazy. But and then the expectations was to win
Speaker 2: the championship. See a lot of people don't know that
Speaker 2: year when I got there, we struggled the first ten games.
Speaker 3: Is that when? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So when I when I signed there, Van Gunny first
Speaker 2: day called me and he said, listen, I gotta start
Speaker 2: U D. She was like, I need you to come
Speaker 2: off the bench. He was started telling me these stories
Speaker 2: about all the great six men in the world. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I rolled with it. I'm like, all right, coach,
Speaker 2: I come off the bench. He was like, look, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be first one in. You're gonna still get your minutes,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna start U D. He's earned that right
Speaker 2: to be the start and power forward. Like all right, cool.
Speaker 2: So I basically came off the bench for the first
Speaker 2: twenty one game. Two games, pat Riley took over. No, bro,
Speaker 2: you start, you know, we don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: We don't. You make too much money. I play my money.
Speaker 2: Zach wordz I play my money you start. He was like,
Speaker 2: you gotta uh play the three. You gotta learn how
Speaker 2: to guard. I was like, it's like, you didn't gonna start.
Speaker 2: You need to learn how to play the three, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to learn how to guard. So now
Speaker 2: I gotta I ain't chasing in a minute, I ain't
Speaker 2: chased you type of that's chasing all you niggas around
Speaker 2: the court. I'm used to power forward slow. Now he's like,
Speaker 2: you gotta learn how to chase. I was like cool.
Speaker 2: It was like, look this what I'm gonna do. It's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sub you out first, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play with the second unit so you can get your shots.
Speaker 2: He said, everything going through shock and D way. He said,
Speaker 2: everything going through them. That's one thing I love about Rides.
Speaker 2: He's such a straight shooter. You know, he's tough, but
Speaker 2: he's like, everything going through shock and D way. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna sub you out early. You played with the second unit.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run one fulk pick and roll for you,
Speaker 2: turn forwards for you, and and that's how we're gonna roll.
Speaker 2: And after that, that's how we roll. It was simple
Speaker 2: as that bro like, I'm chasing all niggas like yah,
Speaker 2: but I got them two seven foots back. Then go
Speaker 2: go ahead and beat me. You gotta go in the shock.
Speaker 2: You gotta go on to Linzo. Y'all know how Lonzo
Speaker 2: is he getting me up out of there. And you
Speaker 2: know Alonza don't mind getting dunk on right at all,
Speaker 2: so you know he gonna put.
Speaker 4: Us shock the mother putting you on your back neither.
Speaker 2: So. But that that team was great, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, that was some great teammates. Man, the commitment,
Speaker 2: and I always thank Shack for it because he was
Speaker 2: the one guy that really had that championship experience that
Speaker 2: kept us together. I remember we get to the finals
Speaker 2: and I'm like we had doed some nervous like, man,
Speaker 2: we're in the finals. He like, man, go do what
Speaker 2: you do. I'm like, what you mean, Like you go
Speaker 2: out during the season. I'm like, yeah, go out. So
Speaker 2: I went to DJ's every night, over with DJ's every night.
Speaker 2: Like he like, man, don't get drunk, but he like,
Speaker 2: go out. He like, keep doing what you're doing because
Speaker 2: you know, you get to the finals the first day,
Speaker 2: but it's like three hundred media people there. You get
Speaker 2: to the finals and people don't feel the whole gym
Speaker 2: field with media. You like, that's a different level. Look
Speaker 2: at hey thing about DJs. Yeah, so what's he that
Speaker 2: confidence and be like, man, do what y'all use to you?
Speaker 2: You know, man, keep everything insane and were gonna win it.
Speaker 2: And he was the one guy that we like kind
Speaker 2: of follow behind even when we was down oh two.
Speaker 2: He was like, Man, don't worry about we good. Stay
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. We're gonna be all right. So
Speaker 2: that's what made it special to that group. And we
Speaker 2: was tight, man, like you guys know this and being
Speaker 2: the league. Man, you usually donna find fifteen guys together.
Speaker 3: Bro, special when you do.
Speaker 2: Man, we seven eight guys going to dinner. Every trip.
Speaker 2: We party in every city. This is your Shackles throwing
Speaker 2: parties in every city we probably had a party. Only
Speaker 2: two places we have parties at Utah. Know, ain't nobody
Speaker 2: partying in Utah? And maybe here, maybe only too Indiana
Speaker 2: probably the only two places we never every city we
Speaker 2: went out. But one thing about shack though, where I
Speaker 2: learned this ship. I'm like, man, how big fellow, how
Speaker 2: these parties? And he ready to go to the next night.
Speaker 2: He never drank drink. He didn't drink. So that's what
Speaker 2: like threw you for a loop. So you had to
Speaker 2: like realize that, man, we have. Man. We used to
Speaker 2: come in you know, you bring it in Paris like
Speaker 2: now y'all trip smelling it coming out like y'all tripping.
Speaker 2: But that was that was such a special year man.
Speaker 2: To be able to win a title with those guys
Speaker 2: the way we want it. It wasn't traditional. We won
Speaker 2: fifty two games. It was a three seed. People didn't
Speaker 2: really think we can win it is. We didn't dominate
Speaker 2: the league. It just took us a while. People don't
Speaker 2: understand Shack missed the first twenty games. He got hurt
Speaker 2: the first game, so that threw us off and get rhythm.
Speaker 2: But to be able to come together as one and
Speaker 2: to win it. The fact that Pat Rally was new
Speaker 2: to come down and I'm not saying Stan couldn't get
Speaker 2: it done, but the fact that he came down and
Speaker 2: he wanted to see this thing through for some reason,
Speaker 2: I guess because he put it together. So he came
Speaker 2: down and it was special. Man. Something that I see
Speaker 2: Pat now, he always hit me with that fifteen strong
Speaker 2: card like, it's just something that we just bonded together
Speaker 2: and in the winter with those guys, I was close
Speaker 2: obviously with GP was my man. We had just came
Speaker 2: from playing in Boston together and then we both signed
Speaker 2: with the Heat, so that was that was JA will Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ji burn every trip, y'all know how you gonna do
Speaker 2: he putting the wet towel at the door, and don't
Speaker 2: call him. Don't call him. He ain't going out on
Speaker 2: the road. The only thing you're gonna do. He may
Speaker 2: go to dinner with you, depending you know he wanted
Speaker 2: to do. He want to get to the room with
Speaker 2: that towel.
Speaker 4: Did you ever go out eat with him and see
Speaker 4: his face? Some people would ask him for like an
Speaker 4: autograph he's eating na I forgot to ask him, bro,
Speaker 4: that's the one thing he hates more than in the.
Speaker 3: Month woman to touch your hand when I'm using my
Speaker 3: hands to eat was not going.
Speaker 2: But you know what else is special about that team
Speaker 2: that y'all don't really probably don't don't talk about. That
Speaker 2: was the coming out of d Wade. He was good.
Speaker 2: He was really good, don't get wrong, But that year
Speaker 2: he was special, bro, And people don't talk about his
Speaker 2: finals enough game MVP, and people don't talk about that enough.
Speaker 2: Man d Wade carried us Man. He was incredible. He
Speaker 2: was so athletic and passing lanes. He can score and
Speaker 2: he henn shoot the three. He give you thirty all tools.
Speaker 2: He wasn't even looking at the three part last all
Speaker 2: twols reject the screen. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's what that was, what made that they actually
Speaker 2: be a part of that And to see that like
Speaker 2: transparent right right in front of my eyes and see
Speaker 2: how good he that he becomes. So that was that
Speaker 2: was specially he carried us Man, especially in the finals.
Speaker 1: How did you hand to the heat culture, you know
Speaker 1: with the body testing, you know all that shit, dealing
Speaker 1: with a pard stressful practices.
Speaker 2: Bro Man lot Man, that was that was tough for me. Like,
Speaker 2: so I took a while to get in shape. You know,
Speaker 2: you think you're in shape. You know, you think you're
Speaker 2: doing what you gotta do something. It's not past shape.
Speaker 2: So he called me in so he said, look, so
Speaker 2: I weighed in like two sixty like twelve percent body fat.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He's like, look I need you at two
Speaker 2: forty five between two forty five, two fifty, and I
Speaker 2: need you a eight percent body fat. You got thirty days,
Speaker 2: you got training can When I came in, he's like,
Speaker 2: you got training camp and man, I'm doing two days.
Speaker 2: You went there with the strength coach. You're just trying
Speaker 2: to get there. I hired a cook, I got a chef.
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, we got to tighten up. And
Speaker 2: every Monday you get way in. It's no every Monday
Speaker 2: they pinching you. They painting you every Monday. And if
Speaker 2: you know, obviously one thing about Patty was ready professional.
Speaker 2: So the fines were laid out. I think at that
Speaker 2: time it was like two thousand if you don't make
Speaker 2: body fat, so ain't no argument, ain't no embarrassing you.
Speaker 2: It's just two thousands gonna be out your check if
Speaker 2: you don't. If you ain't, if you don't make your weight,
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna broadcast it. He gonna say what he
Speaker 2: gotta say to you privately. And that's how it was. Man.
Speaker 2: I remember we had one trip me y'all know how
Speaker 2: skinny Posy was. Posey didn't make his body fat. Come on, man,
Speaker 2: Posey shack. It was me Posy and Shock. We ain't
Speaker 2: make our number, not like dramatically off of like zero
Speaker 2: point five off. It wasn't the number that he wanted
Speaker 2: to say. So we got a six game roll Chip Man.
Speaker 2: Y'all know, Pats told us stay back. He was like,
Speaker 2: what stay back? And y'all got two days he left.
Speaker 2: The strength coach was we had to tour days, so
Speaker 2: we would go in the morning and lift weights and
Speaker 2: run and then come back at night and shoot. So
Speaker 2: you shocking post, me shocking post. I couldn't have that. Huh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you ain't get to go home. So training camp was
Speaker 2: different for us. So you know, most you know, you
Speaker 2: get to go home and come back later. So Pat
Speaker 2: was like, uh, they had to blow out to blow
Speaker 2: out beds, you know, so you get matches and so
Speaker 2: get you one, just pick you one up. Ain't no
Speaker 2: go home. You had from eight to six all day
Speaker 2: and know, eat lunch, take you a little nap, stay
Speaker 2: right there. That's training camp. I ain't no go home
Speaker 2: and get no rest. Come back real tour days. Get
Speaker 2: your a little blanket, take you a little nap right
Speaker 2: there on the floor.
Speaker 3: Fuck your pillow.
Speaker 2: But I understood, though, y'all gotta think about Miami though,
Speaker 2: I fought it for a long time, and then I
Speaker 2: realized why he had the coach, Why at least try
Speaker 2: to make that culture that way. There's a lot of temptations.
Speaker 2: We know that South Beach bro Ye, well, I ate
Speaker 2: that South Beach up man, I love the Beach, bro We.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there twenty four hours just and we got ever
Speaker 1: enjoyed everything South Beach had to offer and played the
Speaker 1: heat and one by.
Speaker 4: We came to shoot around in the same clothes we
Speaker 4: flew in with from the Orlando game the night before
Speaker 4: and put our hands in the middle and Nelly smelled us.
Speaker 5: He said, your ass man, get back on the bus
Speaker 5: and we better win this game tonight.
Speaker 2: We wasted, bro Man. Listen, I used to go back
Speaker 2: to back. I used to go out, y'all rememberim. So
Speaker 2: when I got down there, they had just started lift
Speaker 2: h popping popping on son is cracky. This when like
Speaker 2: pop popping, Little Wayne and all them performing for free,
Speaker 2: like it's popping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't took me out a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I know, listen, it's four. I'm getting on ninety five, Like, nah,
Speaker 2: let me just stop. I stop at the ringer. You
Speaker 2: know we can get in twenty four hours with the fingerprint,
Speaker 2: I'll go on that sting. Let me get this out
Speaker 2: of me now. Let me get this out of me now,
Speaker 2: because I know in the morning, I do not want
Speaker 2: to hear his mouth and I do not want to
Speaker 2: be the only one. But I have my road done.
Speaker 2: They have polls, you d they'll go out with me,
Speaker 2: but they ain't you. I'm like, man, I smell like
Speaker 2: a brewery. I'm like, I got to go ahead and
Speaker 2: get this out me. Pat, that this automatic fine right here,
Speaker 2: So I'm stopping. Let me go ahead, get in this
Speaker 2: thing right now. The I'm gonna go home and come
Speaker 2: on back to practice. That's how I used to roll too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you feelok good, Like I gotta come this thing like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's that's what. So that's why I had a
Speaker 2: lot of respect for Pat. How he did it down there,
Speaker 2: what if he culture and how they do it. You
Speaker 2: gotta work hard and you gotta web dudes out because
Speaker 2: that that beast could come calling you. Paul and d Wade.
Speaker 1: You play with both of them when they have the
Speaker 1: conversation of who's the best, and Paul say he's the best.
Speaker 1: When somebody come to you because you know your opinion
Speaker 1: Reap is really soilid because you played with both of them.
Speaker 2: What would you say? And I've had this conversation before
Speaker 2: when people asking me when that I seen some public
Speaker 2: stuff go, I get disappointed when I hear the respect,
Speaker 2: the respect that's not there for and I hate that.
Speaker 2: And I know you know, and but basketball playing competitive
Speaker 2: got game. It ain't many tougher than Paul bro And
Speaker 2: I think that, and you hear his argument, and I
Speaker 2: think it comes from you know, people, our favorites. Dwayne's
Speaker 2: a fan favorite in the world. People easy question. He's
Speaker 2: from Chicago. I love him to death. And the funny story,
Speaker 2: I'm even add to that. So I went to Dwayne
Speaker 2: Wade had a celebration for going to Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: So I want to pay my respects in Chicago. And
Speaker 2: guess what conversations you want to have? This one? This one?
Speaker 2: Oh no joke, like this is we celebrating this Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame? Like, Bro, why you ain't defend me? May
Speaker 2: you know we're from Chicago. I'm like, he tough, I
Speaker 2: told THEE I say he tough. I said, man, Paul
Speaker 2: toughs that come. I ain't say, I Paul ain't back
Speaker 2: down from nobody. I saw Paul go against everybody. He
Speaker 2: don't back down, Like I said, I see him putt
Speaker 2: numbers up against everybody. So I think the way Paul
Speaker 2: did it probably should have probably gave a little bit
Speaker 2: more respect to d Wade and just flat out said
Speaker 2: he better him. But that's how confident Paul is to
Speaker 2: come to basketball.
Speaker 4: And I think because he had some crazy takes every
Speaker 4: once in a while, people don't know.
Speaker 2: How good he really is. But you can go, you
Speaker 2: can go categories category with those guys. It's probably neck
Speaker 2: and neck and you can probably you know the ways,
Speaker 2: more athletic than him. But Paul's a better score than me,
Speaker 2: damn you. I mean, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: it's like little things I think defensively, you know wang
Speaker 2: I mean the Wade was a guy that got in
Speaker 2: the passing lanes, you know what I mean, those type
Speaker 2: of things, So people judge you off that both of
Speaker 2: you guys are defensive guy, but like sitting down, locking
Speaker 2: down somebody, I mean, pe gonna sit down and try
Speaker 2: to guard you. So you know, it's just different and people,
Speaker 2: you know us obviously in the game and play against
Speaker 2: those guys. Understanding I think people would look on the
Speaker 2: outside and just look at highlights. We see this grind
Speaker 2: every day, both grades. Yeah, Pete tough, tough they come.
Speaker 2: That's no Jack, that's tough, stay come come basketball. He scared.
Speaker 2: He buy nine.
Speaker 1: He really was the blueprint and guards were doing and
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and were doing it. But he was really
Speaker 1: the blueprint for guards posting up in our era. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely the blue print. The inside pivot, all that, that
Speaker 1: was all p We all saw Paul doing it.
Speaker 3: Something else Paul does.
Speaker 4: It's hot now that side step three Ally was doing
Speaker 4: that side step he started that, ye, and people that's
Speaker 4: the thing.
Speaker 2: And people don't understand that he had sneaky hops to
Speaker 2: hes gonna meet you. He gonna meet you at the
Speaker 2: rim and strong too. So that's the main difference. I
Speaker 2: just think when they was arguing, there's two different players.
Speaker 2: And I still where people's coming from. I understand where
Speaker 2: the wade coming from. But they two different players in
Speaker 2: the way they scored, the way gonna get ten transition,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? He not more of a
Speaker 2: half court score. You know, he started to score better
Speaker 2: shooting the basketball towards the end of his career. But
Speaker 2: everything with the Wade is you know, getting out in
Speaker 2: the lanes, catching you one on one. Freak athlete, Yeah,
Speaker 2: super freak athlete number sixty three.
Speaker 3: But Pete didn't have no holes in the offensive game.
Speaker 2: No none, and he shoot eighty from the line. So
Speaker 2: he's gonna make.
Speaker 4: You yeah yeah, and talk about ship to you the
Speaker 4: whole entire time. When you sit back and look at
Speaker 4: the at your career and the accolades and you know,
Speaker 4: the longevity, what what?
Speaker 3: What pops out the most.
Speaker 2: I'm upset in myself. I didn't finish the right way
Speaker 2: talking about that got traded, the Memphis lost confidence and
Speaker 2: the fact of you know, just came from Miami playing
Speaker 2: on playoffs team, playing meaningful games Memphis and the rebuild
Speaker 2: I was with that, Michael Connley, O j Mayo, Rudy Gay,
Speaker 2: they were they were really young. They were rebuilding, and
Speaker 2: like they traded for me. They was like, look, we're
Speaker 2: gonna play the young guys. I'm like, what so? And
Speaker 2: then people didn't really notice that I was like sitting
Speaker 2: on the bitch in the beginning, Like I didn't even
Speaker 2: get an opportunity. It was just like we're playing these
Speaker 2: young guys, we developing. Marcasol was on that team too,
Speaker 2: so they was they was developing those guys. I just
Speaker 2: wasn't in their mixing what they were trying to do.
Speaker 2: So I just took a buy y'all got impatient. Should
Speaker 2: have been more patient, probably been a veteran leader just
Speaker 2: kind of probably you know, worked out and and kind
Speaker 2: of you know, led to young guys and practice and
Speaker 2: make sure that the right thing. Things Probably could have
Speaker 2: ended up a little better for me. But no, you
Speaker 2: know how we were competitive.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: We see these guys play in front of us. We
Speaker 2: want to play. I'm thinking about trying to see if
Speaker 2: I can steal me two more years, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a couple more years. So I
Speaker 2: got impatient, man. And Chris Wallace was the GM at
Speaker 2: the time, and a lot of people know that Chris
Speaker 2: Wallace was the GM with the Celtics, so I had
Speaker 2: a relationship with him and I just went to him
Speaker 2: and was like, Yo, can you can I get a
Speaker 2: buyout situation? Can we trade? He was like, well, you
Speaker 2: got an inspired contract. I wanted to use it for
Speaker 2: a trade. I was like, no, this back me out.
Speaker 2: I don't want you to send me nowhere else then
Speaker 2: I can't go, and he let me, but he bought
Speaker 2: me out. But I ain't gonna lie that Black Marker
Speaker 2: was dead. That phone did not ring, bro Like, I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, I couldn't believe it. And then Chris
Speaker 2: Bosh got hurt, and then Toronto called me, and I
Speaker 2: went up there for two days and worked out for
Speaker 2: them and was ready to think was about to sign me,
Speaker 2: and Chris Bosh ended up coming back faster than what
Speaker 2: they thought and it was over after that, bro Like,
Speaker 2: it was like it was crazy. The phone stopped ringing,
Speaker 2: and it was like, man, it's trying to really figure
Speaker 2: out something else to do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing like. It's one of those situations where
Speaker 2: you looking to figure out. I'm like, I ain't really
Speaker 2: went in the mood to go overseas and but your
Speaker 2: thirty two three two yeah, So I'm like, man, I
Speaker 2: feeling like I got a couple more in me. And
Speaker 2: I went home and then let me tell you a
Speaker 2: funny story. So I went to the crib and kind
Speaker 2: of feeling down on myself, I called Coach Patino and
Speaker 2: I was like coaching, you know, man, I need to
Speaker 2: come down, work out, try to stand some shape. I
Speaker 2: had let myself go a little bit. So I went
Speaker 2: down there with coach Patino, went to Louisville, got me
Speaker 2: an apartment and lost thirty pounds. I worked and he
Speaker 2: worked me out personally. Yeah, one of the good guys.
Speaker 2: He would work me out in the morning personally, and
Speaker 2: then I would go back with the assistant coaches at night.
Speaker 2: Got down thirty pounds, got myself back in shape, got
Speaker 2: myself back together again, and went to Charlotte and went
Speaker 2: to that training camp. Larry Brown was the coach at
Speaker 2: the time, and it was me and Darius Miles, and
Speaker 2: they ended up sticking with Daris Moles for the last
Speaker 2: spot to bring a training camp. I don't know if
Speaker 2: Darius ended up playing that whole year or not, but
Speaker 2: he was a little younger. Dari's a little younger than me,
Speaker 2: and they belong with him. And that was the last
Speaker 2: commitment that I had really made to the game. Talking
Speaker 2: about that, so yeah, so it was that was my
Speaker 2: last commitment to try to really come back to playing
Speaker 2: the game. I was like, nah, it's over with. I
Speaker 2: went to the D League and went down there and
Speaker 2: I went to the D League really because of Randy Liveston.
Speaker 2: He was the head coach that was for the Idaho
Speaker 2: Stampede and he called me. He had some articles and
Speaker 2: stuff that I still wanted to play, Like you still
Speaker 2: want to play? I'm like yeah, man. He was like, look,
Speaker 2: compass some work in maybe go to showcase. They were
Speaker 2: on eight when I went down there, so they on eight.
Speaker 2: I'm in like fifty percent shape. I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: in shape. These boys they practiced on concrete. They facilities
Speaker 2: are terrible, like it's like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But it was cool. Randy my man, So it was cool.
Speaker 2: He made it easy for me. So I went down
Speaker 2: there and tried to get there. But bro, after about
Speaker 2: like a month, I didn't call my groove im. Now
Speaker 2: I'm starting to put a little work here. Now I'm
Speaker 2: putting some numbers up. I'm starting to feel good again.
Speaker 2: So I went down there and played with him. But
Speaker 2: it was good. It was mumbling. It humbled me real bad.
Speaker 2: Just it humbled me really good because I saw how
Speaker 2: those guys had to try to grind and get to
Speaker 2: the league. You know what I mean. We fly coach
Speaker 2: you know how you go for you fly. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: I can't fly, coach. I'm paying for my own ticket
Speaker 2: to go first class. We stand at holiday ends like
Speaker 2: you just getting humbled. You know you risk carton holiday inn,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The CBA. So it was
Speaker 2: just like a process, like it was just like the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And I just one day I was a
Speaker 2: gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I was sitting in the locker room in Idaho and
Speaker 2: I told I just made an announcement to the team.
Speaker 2: I just thanked them guys for like embracing me and
Speaker 2: let me be with them. And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm retiring, man, so this my last game, and that's
Speaker 2: how fun. Let's try to win. I just made an
Speaker 2: announcement and I just let it go. Man. I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it no more. It was it was mentally draining me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I love the game too much,
Speaker 2: and I you know, when you can't compete, like you
Speaker 2: can't start to feel like damn a bum now, Like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You feel like you can't
Speaker 2: compete against the guys, and you watched it. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm gonna leave this alone. Try it's time
Speaker 2: to do something. So I tried it for two years.
Speaker 2: I went the first year and played that whole full
Speaker 2: season with them, and then the second year I started
Speaker 2: off and I ain't had a molder no more. I
Speaker 2: thought I did, and then I did, and I was like,
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna go. I appreciate it Randy for giving
Speaker 2: me a chance. And look if I look it out
Speaker 2: for me, just really as my boy like come on,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and teach me, and I
Speaker 2: just like, it's time to do something else.
Speaker 4: What's that transition like for someone who had so much success,
Speaker 4: tried to get back, doesn't get back, it's over. Like
Speaker 4: what was next in your mind?
Speaker 3: What did you do next?
Speaker 2: Well? I knew I wanted to be in sports in
Speaker 2: some capacity, so I was like, you know, what, could
Speaker 2: I figure out where I could be in sports? And
Speaker 2: Jack know, we start. We started one twenty Sports gave
Speaker 2: me an opportunity to kind of be in front of
Speaker 2: the camera. It was digital, it was online, but it
Speaker 2: was a chance for me to you know, talk the game.
Speaker 2: And I started right there and then I got my
Speaker 2: chance a lot of I worked for the SEC Network
Speaker 2: for three years. So that really taught me the game
Speaker 2: and got a chance to cover my college team and
Speaker 2: really dig into basketball and learned that aspect of one
Speaker 2: being an analyst and and and taking this serious and
Speaker 2: doing that because you got to put your work in,
Speaker 2: you know, because obviously we removed from the college game,
Speaker 2: so you got to learn the players again, learn that style,
Speaker 2: learn how they play. So I went through that process
Speaker 2: and and just kind of really took it from there. Man,
Speaker 2: like it's like I'm gonna figure out what I'm what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do in this in this sports world. And
Speaker 2: then every all the other opportunities became working on Fox,
Speaker 2: we worked the Fox together, NBA TV. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm I did everything so now in the place,
Speaker 2: now that phone rings more, Hey Twin, you know, want
Speaker 2: you come in for a week. I don't got to
Speaker 2: work as hard now, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: I put the work in for it. So you know,
Speaker 2: once now football is over with season, I'll get my runs.
Speaker 2: You'll see me. You know. Throughout Fox have called me,
Speaker 2: you know Nick right, you know Nick, them guys, my boys,
Speaker 2: they they'll call me and say, man, come in for
Speaker 2: a week, Come on the show, so I still get
Speaker 2: the voice in my opinion, you know, Matt, I called you.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to be in this space
Speaker 2: you guys in man like and be able. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I want to have this type of flatform, to
Speaker 2: be able to share my stories, share those type of
Speaker 2: things heard, you know what I mean. So that's that's
Speaker 2: why I'm met with it. I still love the game
Speaker 2: right now currently. I mean, I do all the financial
Speaker 2: literacy myself, Eddie Curry, Eddie NA part of the team
Speaker 2: with the Players Association, so I get to visit all
Speaker 2: the teams and be around the guys. Mama my run
Speaker 2: right now where I'm visiting all the teams, and you know,
Speaker 2: just try to help the guys with the mistakes that
Speaker 2: we made, you know what I mean. They got any questions,
Speaker 2: share my stories with them, you know, and and hopefully
Speaker 2: they don't make the same mistakes. And they dealing with
Speaker 2: way different numbers that we're dealing with, so they can
Speaker 2: make They can make some mistakes and recover a lot
Speaker 2: easier too, you know what I mean, So they could
Speaker 2: take more chances. But I try to be like that
Speaker 2: the voice of reason for them, and that gives me
Speaker 2: a lot of pleasures to be able to help guys.
Speaker 2: When those guys come up with questions and you able
Speaker 2: to help them and help change their lives. That speaks vibes.
Speaker 2: You guys know that we all fraternity, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. We have so much love for each other.
Speaker 2: So it's the same. So I love that aspect of
Speaker 2: doing things. So I'm still a part of the game.
Speaker 2: And that's That's the one thing I never wanted to do.
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be not a part of the
Speaker 2: game in some capacity.
Speaker 4: This is what we know. This is what we love,
Speaker 4: all right, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.
Speaker 4: Let us know, no for someone who can put the
Speaker 4: ball in the basket. Top five scores in your opinion,
Speaker 4: not players, just scores.
Speaker 2: Scores, Uh, Michael Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant k d mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That fifth one just probably tack Oh good call, Good Call.
Speaker 1: T was a bucket one album? Will repeat? What would be?
Speaker 1: What would it be?
Speaker 2: Reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, my Big J guy, Man, I'm
Speaker 2: a huge jay Z fan, Big J Guy, h reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: That camp came out twice too, man, It's a classic.
Speaker 4: Baby right, most underrated player and yet that in the
Speaker 4: time you played, it's nice to just didn't get the recognition.
Speaker 2: Man, that's a tough question. Oh, most underrated player in
Speaker 2: my era, our era. I'm gonna be honest, man, I
Speaker 2: think Stephani Marlberry, Steph is Steph is very hot. Stephan
Speaker 2: Steph is very high on my list. So I get
Speaker 2: upset sometimes when I hear we talk about top point
Speaker 2: guards to ever play the game and he not mentioned
Speaker 2: that that that really bothers me. And I had a
Speaker 2: great fortunate obviously to watch him play in high school,
Speaker 2: obviously only play one year in college, but pro level Steph,
Speaker 2: to me, that's the one guy that don't get enough recognition.
Speaker 2: And I don't you know, obviously, like me, where you
Speaker 2: career in sometime it doesn't it doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 2: But I don't know how he's not done get in
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Think about basketball Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: So you got to think about what he's done for
Speaker 2: the game, how much not to rioting, he got, lived
Speaker 2: up to it. How you don't get into the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame is crazy to me. I still hope you
Speaker 2: get what's your guilty pleasure? I wish I played football
Speaker 2: wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you know that I'm talking.
Speaker 3: I mean just because you got him, don't mean you
Speaker 3: got him.
Speaker 2: Man, I was a point I point foward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got hands. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a big football I'm a big football guy. I
Speaker 2: do all the facts like I be my boy. I
Speaker 2: do all the fantasy football man like I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: a barrass fan. Unfortunately I'm riding away. I'm struggling. I'm struggling.
Speaker 2: One thing you wish you were better at, Oh wow, damn,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of things. Man. Let me think of
Speaker 2: one thing that was world know that I was better
Speaker 2: at the door? Probably me communicating? Okay, community communication, that's
Speaker 2: like I would think communication. I think you know least
Speaker 2: some things I'm told when you really had the opportunity. Sometimes, y'all,
Speaker 2: notice we spare a lot of people. Sometimes the situations.
Speaker 2: It ain't always got to be some negative, but we
Speaker 2: spare a lot of situations. I even think about family dynamics,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, brothers and sisters, my kids
Speaker 2: just you know some things that you should have told
Speaker 2: them and you didn't tell them, and shit happens, and
Speaker 2: you'd be like, it's already on my mind, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? So I think I would think that communication.
Speaker 1: If you could see one guess on this show, who
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get
Speaker 1: your answer on the show.
Speaker 3: Somebody in their phone book, and.
Speaker 2: I mean one guest. Let me see who I like
Speaker 2: on that'd be an athlete. No, they don't have to be athlete. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking anybody, anybody. It could be anybody.
Speaker 5: Just remember, you got to help us get him on
Speaker 5: the show.
Speaker 3: Somebody cool so s somebody you cool it?
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know if I can.
Speaker 2: I can make some calls to help get it done,
Speaker 2: but y'all gotta y'all got to get the president now,
Speaker 2: expert you get bombed on him, man, make the call.
Speaker 2: Come on boat.
Speaker 3: You know you mentioned you work.
Speaker 2: With Eddie Curry. That's got a great story, unbelievable story
Speaker 2: and it needs to be told. I talked to him
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, yeah, I got his number. Great
Speaker 2: and he'll he'll be great. Man. He's uh, he's actually
Speaker 2: now and you brought him up. He's doing a terrific
Speaker 2: job of helping the young guys because you know he's
Speaker 2: a part of the financial literacy team now. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't understand he's one of the first
Speaker 2: guys that come out of high school. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, big contracts, get him a big contract. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he's got a personal side to him with his daughter,
Speaker 2: that situation that happened with his kids.
Speaker 1: So he's a great story and his wife started a
Speaker 1: relationship podcast to yeah that did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a he's a better headspace right now.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely gonna reach out to him and be
Speaker 2: able to share some of his stories and wisdom and knowledge.
Speaker 2: He's great for the young guys, so I'll be I'll
Speaker 2: be blowing off my feet when he talks to those
Speaker 2: young guys, bro, because he's went through it. He came
Speaker 2: out of high schoolboy po don't understand that he was
Speaker 2: the number one I think it was number one pick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know he went through a lot man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well one man, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Grad you had an opportunity to share your side of
Speaker 4: what you wanted to share, and uh, you know, definitely
Speaker 4: gonna continue the business talk to would love to, you know.
Speaker 2: Definitely see what we can do. But man, y'all. Let
Speaker 2: me in the space a little bit.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I can't have it all, man, y'all, I gotta share. Man.
Speaker 2: It's four hundred and fifty NBA players, everybody play games, everybody.
Speaker 2: Let me this space a little bit back. Let me
Speaker 2: sit in that seat of interview, y'all. Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 4: We got just a little bit on the Draft Kings
Speaker 4: Network and all the smoke productions you to.
Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week, sir.
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