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Speaker 4: I've been chasing twine down for a minute because I

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Speaker 4: think there's a lot of misconceptions about him as a person,

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Speaker 4: it happen. Welcome to the show, and twine Walker, appreciate you, bro.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate our real brothers. Yeah, so one of our real

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Speaker 2: I love you guys changed the game up, man. So

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Speaker 2: You know, I reach out to you all the tide,

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Speaker 2: you guys. So congratulations, man, you guys have changed the

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Speaker 4: Go speak your truth. I mean, let's get right to it.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, there's a narrative out there. Before I

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Speaker 4: asked this question. We had inman Shepherd on and he

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Speaker 4: impactful within the community, what you do inside of Chicago,

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Speaker 3: You've always been you. You've always been giving.

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Speaker 4: You'll give the shirt off your back, even when they

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Speaker 4: So that's what kind of makes me think. But talk

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously everything has some truth to it. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: So it worked out. But the negative press be came

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Speaker 4: When I was in UCLA, just you would come late,

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, Ben when No. Obviously being got killed at

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Speaker 2: I was he a point guard or was just a

434
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 2: stock to guard stocky two guard, secondly scoring the team,

435
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 2: but super athletic. But you know, it was even more

436
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: fun watching him is watching him play in football. They

437
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 2: won't stay tightle I think twice they would ranked number one,

438
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,679
Speaker 2: like I think them more in the country for a

439
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 2: while a couple of those years, and it was crazy.

440
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 2: He was a real option quarterback. He would literally throw

441
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: the ball fifteen times and run it twenty five times.

442
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 2: Like that's how he played. So when he went to Syracuse,

443
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how great of a past he was.

444
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 2: I because you never seen it in high school. You

445
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 2: only see throw about and they was really really good.

446
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 2: So they were blowing people out. So he wouldn't even

447
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,239
Speaker 2: played the fourth quarter most times. But Don's a real

448
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,719
Speaker 2: good friend of mine. Still see Don, he's you know,

449
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 2: he left Chicago. He's in the in Phoenix now that

450
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 2: way with his family. But unbelievable athlete man and fun fact,

451
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, he was on the championship. I mean he's

452
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 2: on the team that plays in the championship. He didn't play,

453
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: you know, he was one of the first guys that

454
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 2: made schools recruited for both sports. So he was on

455
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: Syracuse all season, so it was got pretty cool. I

456
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 2: played against him in that Champs. Yeah, so he was

457
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: actually on the team. That was part of the when

458
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: they recruited him. He had to be able to play

459
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: play both sports. So the football season was over with

460
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 2: people actually joined the basketball team. That's dope. Yeah, a

461
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that that's that he that

462
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 2: he played.

463
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 4: Uh, you end up playing with Rick Patino on Kentucky.

464
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 4: Were there any other colleges you really thought about going to?

465
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: Or is always Kentucky Midwest guy, so obviously I was coming.

466
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: I was right behind that Michigan run, so definitely thought

467
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: about going to Michigan. But I did like all of

468
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: us did. Men, I had ten home visits. I went

469
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: on five visits Michigan, Kentucky, you n LV Illinois. So

470
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 2: I took my regular tip five visits, have my ten

471
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: home visits and really kind of let the process play

472
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: itself out. But I just love Kentucky style play. Mass

473
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: Burn was one of my favorite players. Mass Burn was there,

474
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: and I liked it because he was able to know

475
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: he can handle he could shoot the three, So I

476
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: felt like, man, I could fit into that system right there.

477
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: And then coach was telling me that mass was coming

478
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: out that so we're gonna have room for you to

479
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: come in and be able to play right away. So

480
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: that's what really intrigued me to go to go to

481
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: Kentucky because of the style of play. And I saw

482
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,959
Speaker 2: mass burn, so I was like, man, he gonna let

483
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: me do and the ain't gonna take my game away

484
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: from him.

485
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 3: Talk to us about Rick Patino and just your whole

486
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 3: Kentucky experience.

487
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 2: Love him to death. Man, it was unbelievable for me.

488
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: When I came in. I was, you know, like an

489
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: all of us. I was a young high head, you

490
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: know what I mean, thought I knew everything, and he

491
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: humbled me and taught me how to work hard and

492
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: put me in a good position to be the best

493
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: basketball player. Because I thought I was a point guard.

494
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: No I did. I thought it was a point guard.

495
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you were, I mean, but I thought I

496
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: wanted to play the point. He was like, look, I'm

497
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: gonna put you at this point forward, stack right. I

498
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: played the four me and watch McCarty. So we played

499
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: you know, waltching not y'all know how wal was. He

500
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: was kind of a four to two, and we played

501
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: the four and he was like, I'm gonna still let

502
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: you handle. I'm gonna let you do all your things

503
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: and let you shoot the three, but we're gonna have

504
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 2: a traditional point guard on the floor. And I the

505
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: only thing I could do was stak him man and

506
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: even take it a step further. After my rookie year,

507
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: you guys know, he came to Boston and coach me

508
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: in Boston and made the All Star team, turned me loose,

509
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: put me at the four. When I came into the pros,

510
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: I was at the three, you know. I mean, I

511
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: had a good rookie year, ever, seventeen and a half,

512
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: made First team All Rookie Team, played well, but he

513
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: was like, your advantage is at the four.

514
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: Quickness.

515
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: He was like, look, you gotta go to the four.

516
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: He said, I know you don't want to, but he said,

517
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna be.

518
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 3: What was your playing wait when you first came in

519
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: the league.

520
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: Came in at two thirty five. I think when I

521
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: went in the draft, got to like two forty five

522
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: and tapped out with the heat you know, you know

523
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: pat Riot on that's around. So I played it like

524
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: two fifty with the heat on the on the on

525
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: the low seven eight percent body sack with past solid.

526
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah solid. But in Boston when I first came in,

527
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: I was like two thirty five, got to like two

528
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: forty five, played around and wait and just stayed there,

529
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: stayed in between two fifty five, like no more than

530
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: two fifty five when I played, because I had to

531
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: guard some three. You know what I mean. That year

532
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: we won a championship, I'm guarding that run, the whole run,

533
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm guarding. Richard Jefferson, Josh Howard, you know y'all niggas,

534
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: I can't chase y'all. I'm chasing y'all around. Y'all, I'm

535
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: chasing y'all around. Man, these screens Richard Jefferson, Josh howdee?

536
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: Boys like this moving? That's how we But that's if

537
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: coach loved you D. It was like, twe if you

538
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: want to you want these minutes, I ain't budgeting on you. D.

539
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: You know you had a special special love for you D.

540
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: So I moved to the three.

541
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Speaker 3: Whatever it takes.

542
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: But before we get back to the league ninety six

543
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: National Championship Loaded Team TV McCarty.

544
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: Nine pros nine Pro nine pros. I was just talking

545
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: to somebody earlier about this today. Just unbelievable team. The

546
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: best thing that ever happened to us was that year,

547
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: and people, and you guys can understand us. In college,

548
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: we went on our European trip, so we got a

549
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: chance that year to go on to European trip. Was

550
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: going to be ranked number one, but that trip gave

551
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: us an idea of what we can really be. And

552
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, man, our practice was tougher

553
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: than our games. And that's not bragging you pros, but

554
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: our practice used to be strong because we was fighting

555
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: for minutes. Yeah, I mean, you know, I let the

556
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: team in minutes and I think I only average like

557
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty eight minutes, but our margin the

558
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: victory was twenty four to twenty five, you know what

559
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean. So we blew out a lot of teams,

560
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: so we didn't get a chance to finish a lot

561
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: of games. But I love that team were still together today. Man,

562
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: We got a group chat that we all stay on,

563
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: you know, wishing each other happy birthday, holidays, everything, and

564
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: we stay in really good contact, really special group and

565
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: that we're still all friends too to this day. So

566
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: I love that about that group.

567
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 5: Did y'all have like an A team and a B team?

568
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: Like, let me tell you what's funny. We didn't have

569
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: an AMB team. But you know what he did start

570
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: that year, He started a JV team. So let me

571
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: tell you why I'm asking you that.

572
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I know why you asked me, because we bust their

573
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: ass when I was their old kid.

574
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: Yep, I was a senior high school and they brought

575
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: up see that because y'all didn't play. Y'all was y'all

576
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: was the A team to me? Yeah? No, no, no, this

577
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: is what happened. Nazi Muhammad, Yes, Nazi Muhammad came in

578
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: and signed with US. Nazi people don't notice. Naves was

579
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: like three fifty three sixty when he came into college,

580
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: lost one hundred pounds because he used to be on

581
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: him every day. Man, he had to work out twice

582
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: a day plus practice get all his ways. But he

583
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: created the JV team for NAS. Really, yes, so Nas

584
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: had his own schedule, so he had him and like

585
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: Wayne Turner, Wayne played a couple of games. But stack

586
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: don't get you busted. It wasn't y'all. Y'all wasn't there.

587
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: There was some managers on the team too.

588
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: Like we was. We was in high school. I know

589
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: that everybody's in college. That's true, that's you know what

590
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So in my mind, oh yeah, it's going down.

591
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: We bust that ass. But but at the same time,

592
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna keep it poking. We knew, y'all

593
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know what I'm saying. We knew all

594
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: the best players and starters wasn't there. But that still

595
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: was a game for us to get up. That was

596
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: definitely ours so he could be out to play. That's crazy,

597
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: huh right true facts you right, Okay, wasn't a regularigh

598
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: school either.

599
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: That's true. Ron, I've heard stories, but now I'm saying

600
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: that that but that team was creating. I never knew that.

601
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: Nobody know that. That was created to get him in shape. Yeah,

602
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: get him in shape, and they give him some playing times.

603
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was another player on the team.

604
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: I can't think of start year, Ye want year, We

605
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: wanted t D Tony Delk, Waltter McCarty, myself, Derek Anderson

606
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: that was, and.

607
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: Mark Pope with none of them in that screenage, Mark Pope,

608
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Mark Pope.

609
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: And sometimes Pope won that Jeff Shepherd. You know we

610
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: got ship she is that his the sons that could

611
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: take that's that's your son.

612
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: I knew the last thing. I was like, I think,

613
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: just like yeah.

614
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: Just like him. Ye yeah, you got Jeff yep. But

615
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: you know, Derek transferred over and he set out the

616
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: first year he had to sit out. Transferred from Ohio State.

617
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. From Louisville, Fromville. Yeah,

618
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: so he was at Ohio State, so you had to

619
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: sit out. So and then he came back the next year.

620
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: You know, he went to the championship game twice a

621
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: c L. They went it back to back, easy, yep,

622
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: they went. We was loaded though, I mean we was loaded.

623
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: We had nine pros, now legit pros, all guys that

624
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: now know guys got drafted fifty seven fifty everybody first round,

625
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: early second that's dope.

626
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: So you win a championship, you leave in a loaded

627
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: ninety six draft, you go sixth. Uh just for everyone,

628
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: you know, that's Iverson Cole, Steve Nash, Jermaine, O'Neil, ray, Allen, yourself, Marlburry.

629
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: Canby, I do it.

630
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: Raheem Paysia uh any any crazy stories. Obviously you guys

631
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: have a legendary shoot for Slam. I think this is

632
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 4: Slam thirty year anniversary. Uh this year, But any crazy

633
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: stories about this photo or or memorable parts.

634
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: You know what? I just for me? That process I

635
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: worked out for nine teams, bro Like that process was hard,

636
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how they do it now, and

637
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: you know they lot, but I worked out for nine teams.

638
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: I had to really like, you gotta work like very

639
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: had you working. And the best story I got member

640
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. They brought all the wings there, me, John Wallace,

641
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: Walt went there with Dante Jones. It was it was

642
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: wing heavy and they just brought us all in at once.

643
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: It was like play one on one like this there,

644
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: roll the ball out, play came.

645
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: On top, Come on, man, come on.

646
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: And I remember I remember Kevin McHale. They picked fifth

647
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: and he was like, to one, I gotta take a

648
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: point guard. He's like, I want to take you back.

649
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: They had just took Kevin the year before. He was like,

650
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: I can't take another forward and so he ended up

651
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: going Steph at four. I think Stephan went four to Minnesota.

652
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: They switched, they flip flopped and the day of the draft,

653
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: Eric Montross got traded rest in Peace. He got traded

654
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: to Dallas and they flip flopped. So Dallas moved to

655
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: nine and we went to Boston went to six because

656
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: they didn't think I was gonna you didn't make it,

657
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: and I ended up getting picked by number six. But

658
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't changing it for the world. Man my workout

659
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: in Boston, Man Larry Bird read all back. Emil car

660
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: was the head coach GM, Dennis Johnson was still alive.

661
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta think Tommy Heinsen, Jojo White, the

662
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: history all these guys in my workout, bro like this.

663
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that the tradition, it was like

664
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: you wanted to be there, you know what I mean,

665
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: if you got an opportunity to be there. So they

666
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: end up moving up on draft night and taking me six.

667
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: It's said it's the greatest draft class in the history

668
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: of the game.

669
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: I think, so I'm just being biased. If you look

670
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: at like the second round picks and impactful guys were

671
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: on the teams, just take a peek at it, like

672
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: and sometimes just look at it and be like, how

673
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: impactful guys was on the team. These one guys just

674
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: got drafted. They had some impacts, you know, on the game.

675
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: So that's why that's why I always think that that's why,

676
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: that's what my argument comes in that you know what

677
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I know a lot of people you don't

678
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: think about the Lebron class, right it is that they

679
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: got it one of the users. Yeah, but I think

680
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: it's a fair argument. I think we number one. I

681
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: think I mean, I remember them doing the special, doing

682
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: the interview for it, and they was talking about them.

683
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: When I really started looking at it and really analyzing them.

684
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: You look at our second round picks and guys that

685
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: have been productive in the NBA. Probably it's definitely the

686
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: best draft.

687
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 5: What was your relationship with Son of a Camera and Adidas?

688
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: Wow, man like a father figure for me. So you

689
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: guys know this. So when AAU basketball started when I

690
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 2: when we was coming out, they changed. So the camps.

691
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: So my sophomore year, I went to Nike camp. This

692
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: back when you had to go to class too, Remember

693
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: that you had to go to class and go to camp.

694
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: So I went to Nike camp my sophomore year. And

695
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 2: then the next year Sunny had started Adidas. Our AU

696
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: program was Adidas program and Sonny was like, Hey, we

697
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: want you guys to come there. And what really helped

698
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: my career is that back then, tell you another story.

699
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: You had to play with your state. They didn't know

700
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: how they mix the teams up and you had They

701
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: didn't mix the teams up this year. You had to

702
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 2: n C double a change the rules, so you had

703
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: to play with your state. And mister Irvin rest in

704
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: Peace was like, listen. He was the coach of our team.

705
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: He ran the AU program. He was like, look, I'm

706
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: gonna put you at point guard. Well, like, I'm gonna

707
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: play you at point for the thing, and I ain't

708
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: gonna lie for the first five days. I tore a

709
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: camp up at the point guard spot. So I went

710
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: from like top thirty in the country. I left that

711
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: like fifth in the country rank ranking rise. Ran out

712
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: of gas like on the sixth seventh day because you

713
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: have to be that seven day, So I ran out

714
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: of gas towards the end. But I had a great time.

715
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: This is the year Fleet Lopez was number one in

716
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: the country. Steph was like three or four in the country.

717
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: So it was that year, but I ended up moving

718
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: up to number five leaving that camp and it was

719
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: history after that, but Sonny took care of me. Man

720
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 2: made sure I was good and the funny story. So

721
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: my sophomore year we finished up, we win a title

722
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, back then the internet was

723
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: a little different. So my boy called me. One of

724
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: my good friends like, man, you should you should come out.

725
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, back then, we want to think

726
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: about coming out at least doing three, you know, maybe

727
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: just stay off four. So I'm like, no, I don't

728
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: think I'm ready. I'm like nah. He was like, man,

729
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: call Sonny Man. So I called Sonny, say, Sonny, hey,

730
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about coming out. What you think about this?

731
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: He was like, give me a day. Called me back,

732
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: and he was like, son I don't like to encourage

733
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: guys to come out of school early. Gave me the

734
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: whole speech, but he was like, you a love to

735
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: make sure it was good. Yeah. Man. So I'm like,

736
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm nervous and I don't know. You know, Rick Bettino,

737
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: we you know, don't get me. Man's a father figure.

738
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: So we was kind of scared of coach too, though,

739
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I go in the office,

740
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: I said, coach, Man, I think about going pro. He

741
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: was like okay. He was like, uh, give me, give

742
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: me forty eight hours. It's like, all right, called me

743
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: forty eight hours to his house now. So I'm thinking, like,

744
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: Manna tell me, you know what I mean, gotta stay.

745
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: He was like, uh, no, we're coming out. He was like, no,

746
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: we're coming out. This is what we're Finnah due, We're

747
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: gonna bring in three agents. I'm we're gonna interview three

748
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: agents in front of us. We're gonna make sure we

749
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: got three agents, you know what I mean, and we're

750
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: gonna come out. He was like, tell your mom them

751
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: to get ready, but we're gonna come out of school.

752
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: So I was like, man, dope. So he sat in

753
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: every meeting with me, with all the agents. I ended

754
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: up signing with David Falk. At the time, they was Fame.

755
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: They were called Fame at the time. They had represented

756
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Jordan Patrick Ewing, Juwan Howard and basically he was like,

757
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: we're going with them, Sonny v Carol came in sign here. No,

758
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: I came in right, So funny story. You guys gonna

759
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: let this story. So come in. We get in the meeting,

760
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: me coach Patine on him, David falk We in the

761
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: meeting and Sonny like, deal off the table. I'm like,

762
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: what I got? Deal off the table? Like, I don't

763
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: deal with that motherfucker.

764
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: Who are you talking about?

765
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: They fuck? So something to do with MJ. Bro don't

766
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with me, Yes, something to do

767
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: with MJ. Don't got nothing to do with me. Y'all

768
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: gotta think I'm nineteen. I'm sitting here. I don't know

769
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: what's going on. They arguing like cancer dogs in the meeting,

770
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: like going at it. So I just stepped back. I

771
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: just let it go by. And it was another lady

772
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: that was with Adidas and she just poured saint to

773
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: the side and said, you know, it's not fed at

774
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: this kid to be. Y'all got this going on, and

775
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: he upped the deal. So he uped the deal for me.

776
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: He felt bad and gave me like another two hundred

777
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: and fifty thousands. I ended up signing with Adidas when

778
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I first came out because obviously I had the relationship

779
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: with Sonny, but they got the deal done. But it

780
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: was crazy. I tell that story because it was crazy

781
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: to watch Dy would fuck and Sonny argue like that

782
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: over MJA.

783
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: What was it. What was it? I just watched the

784
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: movie not too long ago.

785
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: What was it called The Air, Like I think they

786
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: had a little bit of it in there.

787
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: They have it like allegedly that Sonny went behind Davids

788
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: back to get the family.

789
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it must have been. Something with that bro.

790
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm talking about they fighting like cast and dogs, arguing.

791
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to get

792
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: my little my little shoe deal. I'm trying to get off.

793
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm trying to get my little deal

794
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: and move around. But that was a that was a

795
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: crazy story, crazy situation. I'd up going with Sunny because

796
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: I obviously built a relationship in high school with him

797
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: and he did nothing. It was great. I signed. I

798
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: played all thirteen years on the.

799
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: Dudas employee number eight. How fun was that?

800
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: I Mean these national TV commercials talked to us about

801
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: that process and how it came out.

802
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: I was great. Man. I owned it to Jim Gatto. Man.

803
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: Jim Gatto was with Adidas at the time, and he

804
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: basically came up with this whole campaign, you know, imember

805
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: new kids on the block. So they was like, you know,

806
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: kind of put that thing with it. I wore number eight.

807
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: The number came because if you guys know, ain't no

808
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: numbers left in Boston. I wore twenty four. I wanted

809
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: twenty four. I think Coozy is twenty four, so that

810
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: you know that's up in the raptors. So it was

811
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: just one no numbers. So eight just kind of stumbled

812
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: on me. So it wasn't nothing significant to the number eight.

813
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: It was just on the draft. Now you know, I'm happy,

814
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm geeked up. They're like, we ain't got no number.

815
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: We got twenty four, hig list of numbers, we got

816
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: which one you want? I was like, just give me eight.

817
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: And it just so it was just really random and

818
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 2: nothing to it. But and they just built this whole

819
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: campaign man around his shoe and it was great. It

820
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: was nothing that I really thought of. It was all

821
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: Adidas and really kind of pinpointed with the Celtics and

822
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: doing this a big market and they could do a

823
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: lot with me, and it was great. It was a

824
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: great experience. Got to do a huge national commercial for them,

825
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: and then obviously Jack no, we got to travel the world.

826
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: But that was the unique time though too though, you know,

827
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean me, Jack Trace, Grady, Kobe, Jermaine O'Neill. They

828
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: were like you know, they were It felt good because

829
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: they were doing the They were really getting into Adidas basketball.

830
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: Anybody Adidas know, No, they laid it had on soccer

831
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: and they were really twitching the narrative and really getting

832
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: into to basketball and really giving us a global opportunity

833
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: to be famous, you know what I mean, to build

834
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: our brand and giving us insight on the shoes we

835
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: wanted to wear. They were just changing everything. So it

836
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: was it was great to be a part of that.

837
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: I always enjoyed my thirteen years with these number of

838
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: great memories and they treated me great.

839
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: You know how they go the boxes they used to

840
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember the twenty people.

841
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 4: Remember at the end, you had to spend a certain

842
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: amount of money every summer we was buying the whole

843
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: neighborhood ship three strike down.

844
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: You gotta get your number in it. You gotta think

845
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: if you tell your allotment was one hundred thousand, that

846
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: really was two, right, It was really two hundred thousand.

847
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: You know how hard people thinking that it's hard to

848
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: spend that much money on these You can't get anything

849
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: you want to. But it's just so much money. It's

850
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: hard to spend all. Yeah, ship, I wish I had

851
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: a little allotment right now.

852
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: Real it's how we can't get a pair of shoes

853
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: from now. How y'all feel you got to buy shoes?

854
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: I still feel something way with that ship.

855
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: I ain't.

856
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't buy ten of shoes like I don't get

857
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: the boxes like I used to with Jordan.

858
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: But I got so many shoes from all years.

859
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: Stupid.

860
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. So what about like a new pair

861
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: come out about Lewis? Yeah, let me tell you what

862
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: I was mad about. Remember when yeasies first came out.

863
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: Those used to be a lot, those used to come

864
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: in the p I.

865
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Couldn't get a pair. I was hot. I was like, yeah,

866
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: went out for thirteen years. Y'all give me no shipes though. Yeah,

867
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 2: I couldn't get no. I couldn't get no yeezy. I'm like, man,

868
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: I got thirteen they like, yo, you know it's ship.

869
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: The quote when you said, when they say white, shoot

870
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: so many threes, you said, because there's no force, because the.

871
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: Man what we're doing right now, All Star Weekend had

872
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: too many in the night before I would keep it,

873
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: which you know, you come here and got media requests,

874
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, the media day, you're doing your media day

875
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: and at that time, and what really was irritating because

876
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: for two years Jim up went out. So when Patino left,

877
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: Jim O'Brien took over, who was assistant coach at Kentucky

878
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: and obviously came to Boston with coach Patino, but he

879
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: took over. But so he knew my game, no, obviously

880
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: from top to bottom, and he when coach Patino left,

881
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: he was like, look, i want you to shoot eight

882
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 2: the ten threes a game. See a lot of people

883
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: don't know that. I know, we're watching a three point

884
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: game now and the guys shooting. He told me shoot

885
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: eight the ten a game. You know, Paul was doing

886
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: all the heavy lifting, you know, getting to the basket.

887
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: Like look yo, he like shoot eight to ten a game.

888
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: So once he instilled that confidence, sent me to shoot

889
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: shoot that many should I made. I'm making that I'm

890
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: shooting six hundred, seven hundred three is for a season? Easy? Yeah,

891
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like it changed

892
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: it up. So at All Star Break, I'm just getting

893
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: tired of the question because it was kind of only me,

894
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: probably Rashie Wallace, but Rashie would shot as mini as me.

895
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: He was shooting the three. It wasn't really no big

896
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: guys stepping out really shooting threes. Derek Coleman was still

897
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: in the league around that time. He was shooting a

898
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: little bit of them, so it wasn't really no big

899
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: guy shooting the three. So it just one comment. So

900
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: I used to get like it was crazy in Boston.

901
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: Y'all know how Boston fans is, They all boo you

902
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: one play, you make it, then that nextually the next one.

903
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: So it was just one of those things that people

904
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: had to get used to. But I always credit, you know,

905
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: Jim O'Brien for that, forgiving me the confidence and actually

906
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: making that a part of our team. And we went far.

907
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: We went obviously went to the Eastern Conference finals, playing

908
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: that way we end up, and we went to the

909
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: second round. We we went against that New Jersey run tough.

910
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: They was tough, Kenyan mar and Jay Kid, Richard Jefferson.

911
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: We couldn't get past them. Man, they knocked us out

912
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: two years in a row.

913
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: But I mean, you was, I mean, if you think

914
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: about where the game was then and where it's at

915
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: now it's normal. But you were shooting almost eight threes

916
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 4: a game, led the league in attempts for three years.

917
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made like, man, I made one hundred and

918
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: eight men, I probably could have made three. Oh eaight

919
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: bro right now, seriously, my game would translated to nationaltility. Yeah,

920
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: that's a premium now you shoot the three, so I

921
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: would have definitely been I always tell people that, I

922
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: say the game now is different. I remember to get

923
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: booed for that.

924
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: Man, Like you have to go inside out.

925
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: People don't know, like the game the ball if you

926
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: had a big or even if you didn't have a big,

927
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 4: just to get.

928
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: The offense and had to go inside out.

929
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the way the game is now. People

930
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: thought it would never be played that way. I think,

931
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: and I credit I think Golden State opened it up

932
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: to where people start looking at it differently because they

933
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: was able to shoot the three and yeah and win

934
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: shoot the.

935
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: Three and died by three.

936
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they won the championship with it. So I

937
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: think that that changed it up, and I think that's

938
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: what allow other teams and other organizations and coaches to believe.

939
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 3: That the league it's a copycat league.

940
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh, no question.

941
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: Ninety eight, Paul Pierce comes to town. Just what's what's

942
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: the earliest memory of memory of Paul?

943
00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: Tough ship talker, you uh, still burn super super confident

944
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: and kind of like, you know, demanded his you know

945
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: his role, you know what I mean. He came in

946
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: and people don't understand this, and you guys know this.

947
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: He came in with a huge chip on the shoulder

948
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: because Paul supposed to win the top five. So when

949
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: he slid the ten he was. He came in mad

950
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: and obviously his work ethic was tremendous. We hadn't seen

951
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: nobody like him with Mitt Rain's game. You know, his

952
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: body was kind of different. You think he's slow, he

953
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: ain't slow. You think he ain't athletic. He's athletic. He'd

954
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: knuck on you. And you know, his confidence was to

955
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: the roof. But one thing I can say, Paul came

956
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: in respecting me. We became friends instantly off the court,

957
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's what made it easy for us

958
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: on the court. We respect each other's game so much.

959
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: And and you guys know this and a lot of

960
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: people that when he went through that incident, obviously in

961
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: the club and in that situation. It just changed the dynamics,

962
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean of our friendship obviously, to

963
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: see somebody go through that and to see how tough

964
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: he was, how fast he came back because you know us,

965
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: I know you guys, I would have to get traded.

966
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I would have I would

967
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: have been looking for a little ass man. You know

968
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I would have want some get back. Yeah,

969
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: but he locked in. You know what I'm saying, State

970
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: focused State cloakes on his craft and became a you know,

971
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a Hall of Famer now. So you

972
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: know that's that's that's culos to him for doing.

973
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: That and played all eighty two that season.

974
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying itself. In the mirror, man, you know,

975
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: used to have like little knicks and stuff from the stabbings,

976
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, from from the stabbing, and he would just

977
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: look at it in the mirror. You'll catch him in

978
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: the bathroom in the mirror. So I think he just

979
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: used as motivation to me. I never asked him that,

980
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: but I think that's what he used it. Ass you

981
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: can do them.

982
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: Early to off two thousand playoff battles with with with

983
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: Philly and Ai and Reggie and in Indiana the Painter

984
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: or the Piston teams. What was it like early two

985
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: thousands for you guys in the playoff runs?

986
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 2: It was great because me and Paul were so young.

987
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: We didn't really know what we was getting ourselves into

988
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: and what it really took to really get over. So

989
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: we were just playing our pure talent. I don't think

990
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: we had the same teams that those guys had, from

991
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: top to from top to bottom.

992
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: He was on the he was on the next team.

993
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Jack, I was on the team. You was

994
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: on the team. But no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

995
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: You sent us home in Indy. Man, that's what we're

996
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: talking about now. He was talking about No, I was

997
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: talking about the nest. He's talking about the nest now,

998
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: said Reggie. He was on that team. Yeah, Okay, I

999
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: just want to well, if you want to tell the

1000
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: whole story, tell the whole story. Now.

1001
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: I got suspended that year, but it all came back

1002
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: and sent them home.

1003
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: Sitting home thirty games. Okay, Okay, I say that because

1004
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: I and Paul talk shit all the time. Okay, I

1005
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 2: used to go at it First of all, let's start

1006
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: with this. I wasn't on the team the season start, No,

1007
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 2: I got I wasn't on the team, right, so let's

1008
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: start with that. I got traded back to Boston, right. Yeah,

1009
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: we run off third team. We went like twelve out

1010
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: of thirteen or something to catch that. We finished third

1011
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: in the division. I jump on the team. K we

1012
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: catch all, y'all? Yeah? Yeah, we played the first right, y'all,

1013
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: sixth seed because Reggie last year.

1014
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Yep, because Braun had missed the whole season. Yeah, suspended,

1015
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: so that's what thirty games? Yeah, so we played our

1016
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: first round. I remember this series, y'all beat us in

1017
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: seven games.

1018
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: You ain't say that. You just said we beat the

1019
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: ship out of y'all. It was you ain't say in

1020
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: seven games, not in seven. But that game sad and

1021
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: I got suspended on some bullshit because I touched the

1022
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: referee a game that was like like two or three. Yeah,

1023
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: me Andain O'Neil getting to push him back. Yep, yeah,

1024
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: Jo getting the pushing match, right. They listen Stu Jackson,

1025
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: I never forget this call. Me was like, yeah, I

1026
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 2: gotta suspend you. I was like what he was like, Yeah,

1027
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: those guys from y'all brawl. He was like, I gotta

1028
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: suspend you a game. I got a layer wall down.

1029
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Jayo was involved in that. We got to suspend you

1030
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: get They suspended me one game. I was man, lost

1031
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand that game. Game check. I was pissed

1032
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: about that. I said, I was mad, and I think

1033
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: and Paul standing they beat y'all game. Yeah, we meet y'all. Yeah,

1034
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: he beat them to guess a game six? Yeah that that.

1035
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1036
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: Me and Jay y'all getting a fake basketball fight, man,

1037
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know we fight, man. You

1038
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: know in the playoffs, we just pushing on each other

1039
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: because they were scared. I took the referee and moved them.

1040
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna do nothing. You can't testify, man, he

1041
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: suspended me a game. Let them boys off the hook.

1042
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: But that was Reggie last year. Though, that was last year.

1043
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: Any good memories from club, isn't it? At Paul's house?

1044
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: Who told you that?

1045
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1046
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: You know? Well, okay, listen, So I got there. They

1047
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: was already started. So I got traded back to the team.

1048
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: So you know how we get back to the team,

1049
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Like now, were rolling, we run up. I catched them

1050
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: on the West Coach. We went sixth straight on the

1051
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: West Coast. I catched him on the West Coast. We back.

1052
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, Paul, are we doing now for the party?

1053
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Already said yeah, we had the crib had the crib Yeah, clubs, yeah, yeah,

1054
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: that was that was legendary. Well, you know Paul side

1055
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: because the club's closed it too. So you know Paul

1056
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: thing on going about four or five. Everything you need, everything,

1057
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 2: everything is there, everything you need.

1058
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: He bro.

1059
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: He invited me to a Super Bowl party just last week,

1060
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 4: and I just knew I couldn't go, So I called

1061
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 4: him him and take it over there, and I was like,

1062
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: show he's going on? I was. I was glad I

1063
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: didn't go. This ship was popping. I'm like, Paul is

1064
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: still club shisn it? Twenty five years later in the

1065
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: valley Paula loves having a good time.

1066
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's crazy. He told you all that story.

1067
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: That was that was, that was the hangout man. Yeah,

1068
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: he changed the whole dynamics of us. But he had

1069
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: in the crib. That's the only thing that was everybody

1070
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: that he had it in the house. But you know,

1071
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: Boston clothes at two o'clock closed early, but clubs, the

1072
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: club didn't.

1073
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: Close everything you needed.

1074
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: Two thousand and two, you guys lose to a tough

1075
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: New Jersey next team, kidd Uh. You and Kmark went

1076
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 4: at it. Yeah, talk about them battles.

1077
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: Kmark was tough for me because he was strong, but

1078
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: he had quick feet, so that that was his thing,

1079
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: was athletic. He had quick feet, so he would give

1080
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: me trouble. But I got the green light, so my

1081
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: numbers gonna look good. He was talking about you gonna

1082
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: go ten for twenty six, but I got I got

1083
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: twenty eight, yeah, and twelve, so my numbers look good.

1084
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: But one year he got the best of me. I

1085
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: struggled that whole series, but we salce. I love to

1086
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: go against against Kmark just because of his defensibility, made

1087
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: you change your game, made you work on it. But

1088
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: they were better than us. They were deep. They can

1089
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: go eight ten. They had two units. We were struggling.

1090
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: We had, you know, it was me and already trying

1091
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 2: to do it, and their depth just wore us down. Man,

1092
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: when it came down to it, we would get them.

1093
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: They swept us the second year. The first year we

1094
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: went six with them, and then they swept us. It

1095
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: just couldn't and we caught the people don't understand this,

1096
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: and you guys remember this. We caught that triple double

1097
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Jason Kidd for two years when he was setting them records.

1098
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: That's the that's the Jason Kidd that we played against,

1099
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: lightning fast Jason Kidd. He obviously ended up shooting better,

1100
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: but this is the dude that gets to the basket.

1101
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: We want to make so many other players better. So

1102
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: we went against that kid that was should have been

1103
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: the MV could have easily been the MVP back to back.

1104
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: So that's and a lot of people don't never talk

1105
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: about that. But there was two unbelievable years that Jason

1106
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: Kidd had to knock us out. We didn't have anybody,

1107
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: you know, and Kenny my man. Kenny asked, and I

1108
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 2: love him to death. That's my dog and the great

1109
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: make But Jake was nobody. It was tough Jake Kidd, man,

1110
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: it was tough back then. The finals.

1111
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: We didn't have nobody. He we beat them in the finals,

1112
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: but ja Kid was so dominant in the finals. They was,

1113
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: but they were trying to trade Tony Parker for him

1114
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: right after the finals. Immediately after the finals. They were

1115
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: trying to trade like that he was that good.

1116
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: We went against that. That Jason kid was second or nothing, man,

1117
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: and they couldn't get over that hump never stopped me

1118
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: from going to farm. We thought we had him, We

1119
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: felt confident, but there was something. He just turned it

1120
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: on man, and we went up to one in the series.

1121
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: We thought we had him, but dude, I think he

1122
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: averaged a triple double for the series, some crazy like

1123
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and fifteen something. It was something crazy, yo,

1124
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: that he averaged for the series.

1125
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: When does shimmy come about?

1126
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy in college so you know, like I

1127
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: was somebody was sharing with your guys at the college story.

1128
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: So you know, we used to dance, like lock it

1129
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: up there. You know, the campus is no wit in

1130
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: the dorms and stuff like that. We used to mess

1131
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: around and dance and all that. So one time in

1132
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: the game, I just know I got dunk and just

1133
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: started shaking. I'm like okay, and everybody's laughing, and then

1134
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: coach said, look, he said, look, you can dance all

1135
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: you want as long as you get in this press.

1136
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: He was like, long as you get in a defense.

1137
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: They said, I don't care what you do. So once

1138
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: coach Patino says, lo, I started dancing. Man, So if

1139
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: I get a dunk, it was better to get an

1140
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: ad one. But if I got a dunk and started

1141
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: dancing and get back on top of the ball, look

1142
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: at some of my cars. So I was dunk and

1143
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: then get right on top of the press, get the press.

1144
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: It just became a thing. It was just among us

1145
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: as a team, and then when I got in the league,

1146
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: it just became kind of like part of my soul. Man,

1147
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Like I was like something I had to do. We

1148
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: make a run, I make a big shot. It just

1149
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: became like part of me. Only one coach had a

1150
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: problem with it in my career, don Nelson. So I

1151
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 2: got traded. I got traded to the Maths. I's surprised

1152
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: I get traded now. I got traded to the mass

1153
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: And I got traded right before the season started. So

1154
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 2: it's preseason. So we playing Sacramento in the preseason game.

1155
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: I get off. It's a preseason game. I get off,

1156
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: I dance, I do a little shake man. After the game.

1157
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: The first dingy topic game you about the game, it's

1158
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: about me. Hey, we don't do that here. I don't

1159
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 2: want you to dance on He just call me walk walk.

1160
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: You can't dance here. I'm like, damn coach, he like

1161
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: not here. But you're not gotta respect Nellie. Man, you

1162
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You gotta respect y'all play for

1163
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: y'all know that that's my man. You know I love Nellie,

1164
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: so I had to respect him. So he took it

1165
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: away from me. Man, Yeah, he took it away from me.

1166
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, played a key role into in two thousand

1167
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: and six and the he championship team average thirteen to

1168
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: fourteen points. How did it feel being on that team

1169
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: win the championship playing against the Mavericks.

1170
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Man, That's what That's probably the best team I've ever

1171
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: been on.

1172
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: Man.

1173
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: To be among those collections of guys, you know, shock,

1174
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: young d Wade coming into his own but Gary so

1175
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: Jay will posey U D And you know, we had

1176
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: this thing that we made up called fifteen strong, and

1177
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: people thought it was a joke, but it really was

1178
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: fifteen strong. I never played on the team in my

1179
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: life and party and played basketball at that level and

1180
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: win the championship, that was like it was like a whirlwind. Bro.

1181
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm not lying like I was. South Beach was was

1182
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: calling me every night it's you know what I mean?

1183
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: As well as and then we practicing three and a

1184
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: half hours every day like it's this was like this

1185
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: was crazy. But and then the expectations was to win

1186
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: the championship. See a lot of people don't know that

1187
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: year when I got there, we struggled the first ten games.

1188
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: Is that when? Yeah?

1189
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: So when I when I signed there, Van Gunny first

1190
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 2: day called me and he said, listen, I gotta start

1191
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: U D. She was like, I need you to come

1192
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: off the bench. He was started telling me these stories

1193
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: about all the great six men in the world. I mean,

1194
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I rolled with it. I'm like, all right, coach,

1195
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: I come off the bench. He was like, look, you're

1196
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: gonna be first one in. You're gonna still get your minutes,

1197
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna start U D. He's earned that right

1198
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: to be the start and power forward. Like all right, cool.

1199
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: So I basically came off the bench for the first

1200
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: twenty one game. Two games, pat Riley took over. No, bro,

1201
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: you start, you know, we don't.

1202
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: I don't.

1203
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 2: We don't. You make too much money. I play my money.

1204
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: Zach wordz I play my money you start. He was like,

1205
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: you gotta uh play the three. You gotta learn how

1206
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: to guard. I was like, it's like, you didn't gonna start.

1207
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: You need to learn how to play the three, and

1208
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to learn how to guard. So now

1209
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: I gotta I ain't chasing in a minute, I ain't

1210
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 2: chased you type of that's chasing all you niggas around

1211
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: the court. I'm used to power forward slow. Now he's like,

1212
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: you gotta learn how to chase. I was like cool.

1213
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: It was like, look this what I'm gonna do. It's like,

1214
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sub you out first, and then I'm gonna

1215
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: play with the second unit so you can get your shots.

1216
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: He said, everything going through shock and D way. He said,

1217
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: everything going through them. That's one thing I love about Rides.

1218
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: He's such a straight shooter. You know, he's tough, but

1219
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: he's like, everything going through shock and D way. I'm

1220
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: gonna sub you out early. You played with the second unit.

1221
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run one fulk pick and roll for you,

1222
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 2: turn forwards for you, and and that's how we're gonna roll.

1223
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: And after that, that's how we roll. It was simple

1224
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: as that bro like, I'm chasing all niggas like yah,

1225
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: but I got them two seven foots back. Then go

1226
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: go ahead and beat me. You gotta go in the shock.

1227
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: You gotta go on to Linzo. Y'all know how Lonzo

1228
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: is he getting me up out of there. And you

1229
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: know Alonza don't mind getting dunk on right at all,

1230
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: so you know he gonna put.

1231
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 4: Us shock the mother putting you on your back neither.

1232
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: So. But that that team was great, you know what

1233
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that was some great teammates. Man, the commitment,

1234
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: and I always thank Shack for it because he was

1235
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: the one guy that really had that championship experience that

1236
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: kept us together. I remember we get to the finals

1237
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like we had doed some nervous like, man,

1238
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: we're in the finals. He like, man, go do what

1239
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: you do. I'm like, what you mean, Like you go

1240
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: out during the season. I'm like, yeah, go out. So

1241
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: I went to DJ's every night, over with DJ's every night.

1242
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: Like he like, man, don't get drunk, but he like,

1243
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: go out. He like, keep doing what you're doing because

1244
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: you know, you get to the finals the first day,

1245
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: but it's like three hundred media people there. You get

1246
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: to the finals and people don't feel the whole gym

1247
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: field with media. You like, that's a different level. Look

1248
00:55:53,520 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: at hey thing about DJs. Yeah, so what's he that

1249
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: confidence and be like, man, do what y'all use to you?

1250
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: You know, man, keep everything insane and were gonna win it.

1251
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: And he was the one guy that we like kind

1252
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: of follow behind even when we was down oh two.

1253
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: He was like, Man, don't worry about we good. Stay

1254
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. We're gonna be all right. So

1255
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: that's what made it special to that group. And we

1256
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: was tight, man, like you guys know this and being

1257
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: the league. Man, you usually donna find fifteen guys together.

1258
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: Bro, special when you do.

1259
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: Man, we seven eight guys going to dinner. Every trip.

1260
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: We party in every city. This is your Shackles throwing

1261
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: parties in every city we probably had a party. Only

1262
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: two places we have parties at Utah. Know, ain't nobody

1263
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: partying in Utah? And maybe here, maybe only too Indiana

1264
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: probably the only two places we never every city we

1265
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: went out. But one thing about shack though, where I

1266
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: learned this ship. I'm like, man, how big fellow, how

1267
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: these parties? And he ready to go to the next night.

1268
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: He never drank drink. He didn't drink. So that's what

1269
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: like threw you for a loop. So you had to

1270
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: like realize that, man, we have. Man. We used to

1271
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: come in you know, you bring it in Paris like

1272
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: now y'all trip smelling it coming out like y'all tripping.

1273
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: But that was that was such a special year man.

1274
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: To be able to win a title with those guys

1275
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: the way we want it. It wasn't traditional. We won

1276
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 2: fifty two games. It was a three seed. People didn't

1277
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: really think we can win it is. We didn't dominate

1278
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: the league. It just took us a while. People don't

1279
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: understand Shack missed the first twenty games. He got hurt

1280
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: the first game, so that threw us off and get rhythm.

1281
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: But to be able to come together as one and

1282
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 2: to win it. The fact that Pat Rally was new

1283
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: to come down and I'm not saying Stan couldn't get

1284
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: it done, but the fact that he came down and

1285
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: he wanted to see this thing through for some reason,

1286
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 2: I guess because he put it together. So he came

1287
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: down and it was special. Man. Something that I see

1288
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: Pat now, he always hit me with that fifteen strong

1289
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: card like, it's just something that we just bonded together

1290
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: and in the winter with those guys, I was close

1291
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: obviously with GP was my man. We had just came

1292
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: from playing in Boston together and then we both signed

1293
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: with the Heat, so that was that was JA will Yeah,

1294
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: Ji burn every trip, y'all know how you gonna do

1295
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: he putting the wet towel at the door, and don't

1296
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: call him. Don't call him. He ain't going out on

1297
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: the road. The only thing you're gonna do. He may

1298
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: go to dinner with you, depending you know he wanted

1299
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: to do. He want to get to the room with

1300
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: that towel.

1301
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 4: Did you ever go out eat with him and see

1302
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 4: his face? Some people would ask him for like an

1303
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: autograph he's eating na I forgot to ask him, bro,

1304
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 4: that's the one thing he hates more than in the.

1305
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: Month woman to touch your hand when I'm using my

1306
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: hands to eat was not going.

1307
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: But you know what else is special about that team

1308
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: that y'all don't really probably don't don't talk about. That

1309
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: was the coming out of d Wade. He was good.

1310
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: He was really good, don't get wrong, But that year

1311
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: he was special, bro, And people don't talk about his

1312
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 2: finals enough game MVP, and people don't talk about that enough.

1313
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: Man d Wade carried us Man. He was incredible. He

1314
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: was so athletic and passing lanes. He can score and

1315
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: he henn shoot the three. He give you thirty all tools.

1316
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: He wasn't even looking at the three part last all

1317
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 2: twols reject the screen. So you know what I'm saying.

1318
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: So that's what that was, what made that they actually

1319
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: be a part of that And to see that like

1320
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: transparent right right in front of my eyes and see

1321
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: how good he that he becomes. So that was that

1322
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: was specially he carried us Man, especially in the finals.

1323
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: How did you hand to the heat culture, you know

1324
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: with the body testing, you know all that shit, dealing

1325
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: with a pard stressful practices.

1326
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: Bro Man lot Man, that was that was tough for me. Like,

1327
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: so I took a while to get in shape. You know,

1328
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: you think you're in shape. You know, you think you're

1329
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: doing what you gotta do something. It's not past shape.

1330
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: So he called me in so he said, look, so

1331
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: I weighed in like two sixty like twelve percent body fat.

1332
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He's like, look I need you at two

1333
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: forty five between two forty five, two fifty, and I

1334
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: need you a eight percent body fat. You got thirty days,

1335
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: you got training can When I came in, he's like,

1336
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: you got training camp and man, I'm doing two days.

1337
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: You went there with the strength coach. You're just trying

1338
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: to get there. I hired a cook, I got a chef.

1339
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, we got to tighten up. And

1340
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: every Monday you get way in. It's no every Monday

1341
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: they pinching you. They painting you every Monday. And if

1342
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, obviously one thing about Patty was ready professional.

1343
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: So the fines were laid out. I think at that

1344
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: time it was like two thousand if you don't make

1345
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: body fat, so ain't no argument, ain't no embarrassing you.

1346
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: It's just two thousands gonna be out your check if

1347
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: you don't. If you ain't, if you don't make your weight,

1348
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna broadcast it. He gonna say what he

1349
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: gotta say to you privately. And that's how it was. Man.

1350
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: I remember we had one trip me y'all know how

1351
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: skinny Posy was. Posey didn't make his body fat. Come on, man,

1352
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: Posey shack. It was me Posy and Shock. We ain't

1353
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: make our number, not like dramatically off of like zero

1354
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: point five off. It wasn't the number that he wanted

1355
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: to say. So we got a six game roll Chip Man.

1356
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: Y'all know, Pats told us stay back. He was like,

1357
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: what stay back? And y'all got two days he left.

1358
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: The strength coach was we had to tour days, so

1359
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: we would go in the morning and lift weights and

1360
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: run and then come back at night and shoot. So

1361
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: you shocking post, me shocking post. I couldn't have that. Huh, yeah,

1362
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: you ain't get to go home. So training camp was

1363
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: different for us. So you know, most you know, you

1364
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: get to go home and come back later. So Pat

1365
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 2: was like, uh, they had to blow out to blow

1366
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: out beds, you know, so you get matches and so

1367
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: get you one, just pick you one up. Ain't no

1368
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: go home. You had from eight to six all day

1369
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: and know, eat lunch, take you a little nap, stay

1370
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: right there. That's training camp. I ain't no go home

1371
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: and get no rest. Come back real tour days. Get

1372
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: your a little blanket, take you a little nap right

1373
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: there on the floor.

1374
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: Fuck your pillow.

1375
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: But I understood, though, y'all gotta think about Miami though,

1376
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: I fought it for a long time, and then I

1377
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: realized why he had the coach, Why at least try

1378
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: to make that culture that way. There's a lot of temptations.

1379
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: We know that South Beach bro Ye, well, I ate

1380
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: that South Beach up man, I love the Beach, bro We.

1381
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Wasn't there twenty four hours just and we got ever

1382
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: enjoyed everything South Beach had to offer and played the

1383
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: heat and one by.

1384
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: We came to shoot around in the same clothes we

1385
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 4: flew in with from the Orlando game the night before

1386
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 4: and put our hands in the middle and Nelly smelled us.

1387
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 5: He said, your ass man, get back on the bus

1388
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 5: and we better win this game tonight.

1389
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: We wasted, bro Man. Listen, I used to go back

1390
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: to back. I used to go out, y'all rememberim. So

1391
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: when I got down there, they had just started lift

1392
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: h popping popping on son is cracky. This when like

1393
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: pop popping, Little Wayne and all them performing for free,

1394
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: like it's popping.

1395
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't took me out a couple of times.

1396
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: I know, listen, it's four. I'm getting on ninety five, Like, nah,

1397
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: let me just stop. I stop at the ringer. You

1398
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: know we can get in twenty four hours with the fingerprint,

1399
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: I'll go on that sting. Let me get this out

1400
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: of me now. Let me get this out of me now,

1401
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: because I know in the morning, I do not want

1402
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: to hear his mouth and I do not want to

1403
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: be the only one. But I have my road done.

1404
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: They have polls, you d they'll go out with me,

1405
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: but they ain't you. I'm like, man, I smell like

1406
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: a brewery. I'm like, I got to go ahead and

1407
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: get this out me. Pat, that this automatic fine right here,

1408
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: So I'm stopping. Let me go ahead, get in this

1409
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: thing right now. The I'm gonna go home and come

1410
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: on back to practice. That's how I used to roll too. Yeah,

1411
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: you feelok good, Like I gotta come this thing like that. Yeah,

1412
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: but that's that's what. So that's why I had a

1413
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: lot of respect for Pat. How he did it down there,

1414
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: what if he culture and how they do it. You

1415
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 2: gotta work hard and you gotta web dudes out because

1416
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: that that beast could come calling you. Paul and d Wade.

1417
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: You play with both of them when they have the

1418
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: conversation of who's the best, and Paul say he's the best.

1419
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: When somebody come to you because you know your opinion

1420
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: Reap is really soilid because you played with both of them.

1421
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: What would you say? And I've had this conversation before

1422
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: when people asking me when that I seen some public

1423
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 2: stuff go, I get disappointed when I hear the respect,

1424
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: the respect that's not there for and I hate that.

1425
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: And I know you know, and but basketball playing competitive

1426
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: got game. It ain't many tougher than Paul bro And

1427
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: I think that, and you hear his argument, and I

1428
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: think it comes from you know, people, our favorites. Dwayne's

1429
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: a fan favorite in the world. People easy question. He's

1430
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: from Chicago. I love him to death. And the funny story,

1431
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm even add to that. So I went to Dwayne

1432
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: Wade had a celebration for going to Hall of Fame.

1433
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: So I want to pay my respects in Chicago. And

1434
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: guess what conversations you want to have? This one? This one?

1435
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: Oh no joke, like this is we celebrating this Hall

1436
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: of Fame? Like, Bro, why you ain't defend me? May

1437
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: you know we're from Chicago. I'm like, he tough, I

1438
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: told THEE I say he tough. I said, man, Paul

1439
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: toughs that come. I ain't say, I Paul ain't back

1440
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: down from nobody. I saw Paul go against everybody. He

1441
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: don't back down, Like I said, I see him putt

1442
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: numbers up against everybody. So I think the way Paul

1443
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: did it probably should have probably gave a little bit

1444
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: more respect to d Wade and just flat out said

1445
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: he better him. But that's how confident Paul is to

1446
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: come to basketball.

1447
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 4: And I think because he had some crazy takes every

1448
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: once in a while, people don't know.

1449
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: How good he really is. But you can go, you

1450
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: can go categories category with those guys. It's probably neck

1451
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: and neck and you can probably you know the ways,

1452
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: more athletic than him. But Paul's a better score than me,

1453
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: damn you. I mean, you know what I mean. So

1454
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: it's like little things I think defensively, you know wang

1455
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean the Wade was a guy that got in

1456
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: the passing lanes, you know what I mean, those type

1457
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: of things, So people judge you off that both of

1458
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 2: you guys are defensive guy, but like sitting down, locking

1459
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: down somebody, I mean, pe gonna sit down and try

1460
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: to guard you. So you know, it's just different and people,

1461
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: you know us obviously in the game and play against

1462
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: those guys. Understanding I think people would look on the

1463
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 2: outside and just look at highlights. We see this grind

1464
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: every day, both grades. Yeah, Pete tough, tough they come.

1465
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: That's no Jack, that's tough, stay come come basketball. He scared.

1466
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: He buy nine.

1467
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: He really was the blueprint and guards were doing and

1468
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 1: Steve Smith and were doing it. But he was really

1469
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: the blueprint for guards posting up in our era. Oh yeah,

1470
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: definitely the blue print. The inside pivot, all that, that

1471
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: was all p We all saw Paul doing it.

1472
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: Something else Paul does.

1473
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 4: It's hot now that side step three Ally was doing

1474
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: that side step he started that, ye, and people that's

1475
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 4: the thing.

1476
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: And people don't understand that he had sneaky hops to

1477
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: hes gonna meet you. He gonna meet you at the

1478
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: rim and strong too. So that's the main difference. I

1479
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: just think when they was arguing, there's two different players.

1480
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 2: And I still where people's coming from. I understand where

1481
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: the wade coming from. But they two different players in

1482
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: the way they scored, the way gonna get ten transition,

1483
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? He not more of a

1484
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: half court score. You know, he started to score better

1485
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: shooting the basketball towards the end of his career. But

1486
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: everything with the Wade is you know, getting out in

1487
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: the lanes, catching you one on one. Freak athlete, Yeah,

1488
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: super freak athlete number sixty three.

1489
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: But Pete didn't have no holes in the offensive game.

1490
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: No none, and he shoot eighty from the line. So

1491
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna make.

1492
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 4: You yeah yeah, and talk about ship to you the

1493
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 4: whole entire time. When you sit back and look at

1494
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: the at your career and the accolades and you know,

1495
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 4: the longevity, what what?

1496
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: What pops out the most.

1497
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm upset in myself. I didn't finish the right way

1498
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: talking about that got traded, the Memphis lost confidence and

1499
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: the fact of you know, just came from Miami playing

1500
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: on playoffs team, playing meaningful games Memphis and the rebuild

1501
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: I was with that, Michael Connley, O j Mayo, Rudy Gay,

1502
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: they were they were really young. They were rebuilding, and

1503
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: like they traded for me. They was like, look, we're

1504
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: gonna play the young guys. I'm like, what so? And

1505
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 2: then people didn't really notice that I was like sitting

1506
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: on the bitch in the beginning, Like I didn't even

1507
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: get an opportunity. It was just like we're playing these

1508
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: young guys, we developing. Marcasol was on that team too,

1509
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 2: so they was they was developing those guys. I just

1510
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: wasn't in their mixing what they were trying to do.

1511
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 2: So I just took a buy y'all got impatient. Should

1512
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: have been more patient, probably been a veteran leader just

1513
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: kind of probably you know, worked out and and kind

1514
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 2: of you know, led to young guys and practice and

1515
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: make sure that the right thing. Things Probably could have

1516
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: ended up a little better for me. But no, you

1517
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: know how we were competitive.

1518
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 4: Man.

1519
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: We see these guys play in front of us. We

1520
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: want to play. I'm thinking about trying to see if

1521
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: I can steal me two more years, you know what

1522
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a couple more years. So I

1523
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: got impatient, man. And Chris Wallace was the GM at

1524
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: the time, and a lot of people know that Chris

1525
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: Wallace was the GM with the Celtics, so I had

1526
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: a relationship with him and I just went to him

1527
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: and was like, Yo, can you can I get a

1528
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: buyout situation? Can we trade? He was like, well, you

1529
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: got an inspired contract. I wanted to use it for

1530
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: a trade. I was like, no, this back me out.

1531
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't want you to send me nowhere else then

1532
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: I can't go, and he let me, but he bought

1533
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: me out. But I ain't gonna lie that Black Marker

1534
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 2: was dead. That phone did not ring, bro Like, I

1535
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: was like, wow, I couldn't believe it. And then Chris

1536
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 2: Bosh got hurt, and then Toronto called me, and I

1537
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: went up there for two days and worked out for

1538
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: them and was ready to think was about to sign me,

1539
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: and Chris Bosh ended up coming back faster than what

1540
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: they thought and it was over after that, bro Like,

1541
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: it was like it was crazy. The phone stopped ringing,

1542
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: and it was like, man, it's trying to really figure

1543
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: out something else to do, you know what I mean.

1544
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing like. It's one of those situations where

1545
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: you looking to figure out. I'm like, I ain't really

1546
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: went in the mood to go overseas and but your

1547
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: thirty two three two yeah, So I'm like, man, I

1548
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: feeling like I got a couple more in me. And

1549
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: I went home and then let me tell you a

1550
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: funny story. So I went to the crib and kind

1551
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: of feeling down on myself, I called Coach Patino and

1552
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: I was like coaching, you know, man, I need to

1553
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: come down, work out, try to stand some shape. I

1554
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: had let myself go a little bit. So I went

1555
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: down there with coach Patino, went to Louisville, got me

1556
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: an apartment and lost thirty pounds. I worked and he

1557
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: worked me out personally. Yeah, one of the good guys.

1558
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: He would work me out in the morning personally, and

1559
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: then I would go back with the assistant coaches at night.

1560
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: Got down thirty pounds, got myself back in shape, got

1561
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: myself back together again, and went to Charlotte and went

1562
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: to that training camp. Larry Brown was the coach at

1563
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: the time, and it was me and Darius Miles, and

1564
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: they ended up sticking with Daris Moles for the last

1565
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: spot to bring a training camp. I don't know if

1566
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 2: Darius ended up playing that whole year or not, but

1567
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: he was a little younger. Dari's a little younger than me,

1568
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: and they belong with him. And that was the last

1569
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: commitment that I had really made to the game. Talking

1570
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: about that, so yeah, so it was that was my

1571
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 2: last commitment to try to really come back to playing

1572
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: the game. I was like, nah, it's over with. I

1573
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: went to the D League and went down there and

1574
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: I went to the D League really because of Randy Liveston.

1575
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: He was the head coach that was for the Idaho

1576
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: Stampede and he called me. He had some articles and

1577
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: stuff that I still wanted to play, Like you still

1578
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: want to play? I'm like yeah, man. He was like, look,

1579
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: compass some work in maybe go to showcase. They were

1580
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: on eight when I went down there, so they on eight.

1581
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm in like fifty percent shape. I'm trying to get

1582
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: in shape. These boys they practiced on concrete. They facilities

1583
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: are terrible, like it's like, you know what I mean.

1584
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: But it was cool. Randy my man, So it was cool.

1585
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: He made it easy for me. So I went down

1586
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: there and tried to get there. But bro, after about

1587
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: like a month, I didn't call my groove im. Now

1588
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm starting to put a little work here. Now I'm

1589
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: putting some numbers up. I'm starting to feel good again.

1590
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: So I went down there and played with him. But

1591
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: it was good. It was mumbling. It humbled me real bad.

1592
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: Just it humbled me really good because I saw how

1593
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: those guys had to try to grind and get to

1594
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: the league. You know what I mean. We fly coach

1595
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: you know how you go for you fly. I'm like, yo,

1596
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: I can't fly, coach. I'm paying for my own ticket

1597
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 2: to go first class. We stand at holiday ends like

1598
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 2: you just getting humbled. You know you risk carton holiday inn,

1599
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The CBA. So it was

1600
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: just like a process, like it was just like the

1601
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: whole thing. And I just one day I was a

1602
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna lie.

1603
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1604
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 2: I was sitting in the locker room in Idaho and

1605
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: I told I just made an announcement to the team.

1606
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: I just thanked them guys for like embracing me and

1607
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: let me be with them. And I was like, man,

1608
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm retiring, man, so this my last game, and that's

1609
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: how fun. Let's try to win. I just made an

1610
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 2: announcement and I just let it go. Man. I couldn't

1611
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: do it no more. It was it was mentally draining me.

1612
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I love the game too much,

1613
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: and I you know, when you can't compete, like you

1614
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: can't start to feel like damn a bum now, Like

1615
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You feel like you can't

1616
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: compete against the guys, and you watched it. I'm like, nah,

1617
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm gonna leave this alone. Try it's time

1618
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: to do something. So I tried it for two years.

1619
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: I went the first year and played that whole full

1620
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: season with them, and then the second year I started

1621
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: off and I ain't had a molder no more. I

1622
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: thought I did, and then I did, and I was like,

1623
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna go. I appreciate it Randy for giving

1624
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: me a chance. And look if I look it out

1625
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: for me, just really as my boy like come on,

1626
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and teach me, and I

1627
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: just like, it's time to do something else.

1628
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: What's that transition like for someone who had so much success,

1629
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 4: tried to get back, doesn't get back, it's over. Like

1630
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 4: what was next in your mind?

1631
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 3: What did you do next?

1632
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: Well? I knew I wanted to be in sports in

1633
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: some capacity, so I was like, you know, what, could

1634
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: I figure out where I could be in sports? And

1635
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: Jack know, we start. We started one twenty Sports gave

1636
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 2: me an opportunity to kind of be in front of

1637
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: the camera. It was digital, it was online, but it

1638
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: was a chance for me to you know, talk the game.

1639
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: And I started right there and then I got my

1640
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: chance a lot of I worked for the SEC Network

1641
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: for three years. So that really taught me the game

1642
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: and got a chance to cover my college team and

1643
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: really dig into basketball and learned that aspect of one

1644
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: being an analyst and and and taking this serious and

1645
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: doing that because you got to put your work in,

1646
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, because obviously we removed from the college game,

1647
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: so you got to learn the players again, learn that style,

1648
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: learn how they play. So I went through that process

1649
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: and and just kind of really took it from there. Man,

1650
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: like it's like I'm gonna figure out what I'm what

1651
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do in this in this sports world. And

1652
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: then every all the other opportunities became working on Fox,

1653
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: we worked the Fox together, NBA TV. You know what

1654
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm I did everything so now in the place,

1655
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 2: now that phone rings more, Hey Twin, you know, want

1656
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 2: you come in for a week. I don't got to

1657
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 2: work as hard now, you know what I mean, because

1658
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: I put the work in for it. So you know,

1659
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: once now football is over with season, I'll get my runs.

1660
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: You'll see me. You know. Throughout Fox have called me,

1661
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 2: you know Nick right, you know Nick, them guys, my boys,

1662
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 2: they they'll call me and say, man, come in for

1663
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 2: a week, Come on the show, so I still get

1664
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: the voice in my opinion, you know, Matt, I called you.

1665
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: I want to be able to be in this space

1666
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: you guys in man like and be able. I don't know,

1667
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: but I want to have this type of flatform, to

1668
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: be able to share my stories, share those type of

1669
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: things heard, you know what I mean. So that's that's

1670
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 2: why I'm met with it. I still love the game

1671
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 2: right now currently. I mean, I do all the financial

1672
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: literacy myself, Eddie Curry, Eddie NA part of the team

1673
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: with the Players Association, so I get to visit all

1674
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: the teams and be around the guys. Mama my run

1675
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: right now where I'm visiting all the teams, and you know,

1676
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: just try to help the guys with the mistakes that

1677
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: we made, you know what I mean. They got any questions,

1678
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: share my stories with them, you know, and and hopefully

1679
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: they don't make the same mistakes. And they dealing with

1680
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: way different numbers that we're dealing with, so they can

1681
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: make They can make some mistakes and recover a lot

1682
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: easier too, you know what I mean, So they could

1683
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: take more chances. But I try to be like that

1684
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: the voice of reason for them, and that gives me

1685
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 2: a lot of pleasures to be able to help guys.

1686
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: When those guys come up with questions and you able

1687
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 2: to help them and help change their lives. That speaks vibes.

1688
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 2: You guys know that we all fraternity, you know what

1689
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: I mean. We have so much love for each other.

1690
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: So it's the same. So I love that aspect of

1691
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 2: doing things. So I'm still a part of the game.

1692
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: And that's That's the one thing I never wanted to do.

1693
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be not a part of the

1694
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: game in some capacity.

1695
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 4: This is what we know. This is what we love,

1696
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 4: all right, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.

1697
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 4: Let us know, no for someone who can put the

1698
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 4: ball in the basket. Top five scores in your opinion,

1699
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 4: not players, just scores.

1700
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: Scores, Uh, Michael Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant k d mm hmm.

1701
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: That fifth one just probably tack Oh good call, Good Call.

1702
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: T was a bucket one album? Will repeat? What would be?

1703
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: What would it be?

1704
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: Reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, my Big J guy, Man, I'm

1705
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: a huge jay Z fan, Big J Guy, h reasonable doubt.

1706
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: That camp came out twice too, man, It's a classic.

1707
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 4: Baby right, most underrated player and yet that in the

1708
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,959
Speaker 4: time you played, it's nice to just didn't get the recognition.

1709
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: Man, that's a tough question. Oh, most underrated player in

1710
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: my era, our era. I'm gonna be honest, man, I

1711
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 2: think Stephani Marlberry, Steph is Steph is very hot. Stephan

1712
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: Steph is very high on my list. So I get

1713
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: upset sometimes when I hear we talk about top point

1714
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: guards to ever play the game and he not mentioned

1715
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: that that that really bothers me. And I had a

1716
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 2: great fortunate obviously to watch him play in high school,

1717
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 2: obviously only play one year in college, but pro level Steph,

1718
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: to me, that's the one guy that don't get enough recognition.

1719
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: And I don't you know, obviously, like me, where you

1720
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 2: career in sometime it doesn't it doesn't work out that way.

1721
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 2: But I don't know how he's not done get in

1722
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Think about basketball Hall of Fame,

1723
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: So you got to think about what he's done for

1724
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: the game, how much not to rioting, he got, lived

1725
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: up to it. How you don't get into the Hall

1726
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: of Fame is crazy to me. I still hope you

1727
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: get what's your guilty pleasure? I wish I played football

1728
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: wide receiver.

1729
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 3: Okay, you have hands.

1730
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you know that I'm talking.

1731
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: I mean just because you got him, don't mean you

1732
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 3: got him.

1733
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: Man, I was a point I point foward.

1734
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got hands. Yeah.

1735
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm a big football I'm a big football guy. I

1736
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: do all the facts like I be my boy. I

1737
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: do all the fantasy football man like I'm like, I'm

1738
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: a barrass fan. Unfortunately I'm riding away. I'm struggling. I'm struggling.

1739
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 2: One thing you wish you were better at, Oh wow, damn,

1740
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: that's a lot of things. Man. Let me think of

1741
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: one thing that was world know that I was better

1742
01:18:54,200 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 2: at the door? Probably me communicating? Okay, community communication, that's

1743
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: like I would think communication. I think you know least

1744
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: some things I'm told when you really had the opportunity. Sometimes, y'all,

1745
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: notice we spare a lot of people. Sometimes the situations.

1746
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: It ain't always got to be some negative, but we

1747
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: spare a lot of situations. I even think about family dynamics,

1748
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, brothers and sisters, my kids

1749
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: just you know some things that you should have told

1750
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: them and you didn't tell them, and shit happens, and

1751
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,560
Speaker 2: you'd be like, it's already on my mind, you know

1752
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: what I mean? So I think I would think that communication.

1753
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: If you could see one guess on this show, who

1754
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: would it be? But you have to help us get

1755
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: your answer on the show.

1756
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: Somebody in their phone book, and.

1757
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean one guest. Let me see who I like

1758
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: on that'd be an athlete. No, they don't have to be athlete. Okay,

1759
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 2: I'm thinking anybody, anybody. It could be anybody.

1760
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 5: Just remember, you got to help us get him on

1761
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 5: the show.

1762
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 3: Somebody cool so s somebody you cool it?

1763
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know if I can.

1764
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: I can make some calls to help get it done,

1765
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: but y'all gotta y'all got to get the president now,

1766
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: expert you get bombed on him, man, make the call.

1767
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 2: Come on boat.

1768
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: You know you mentioned you work.

1769
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 2: With Eddie Curry. That's got a great story, unbelievable story

1770
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: and it needs to be told. I talked to him

1771
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, yeah, I got his number. Great

1772
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,839
Speaker 2: and he'll he'll be great. Man. He's uh, he's actually

1773
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: now and you brought him up. He's doing a terrific

1774
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: job of helping the young guys because you know he's

1775
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: a part of the financial literacy team now. So a

1776
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: lot of people don't understand he's one of the first

1777
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 2: guys that come out of high school. Yeah, and you

1778
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean, big contracts, get him a big contract. Obviously,

1779
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 2: he's got a personal side to him with his daughter,

1780
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: that situation that happened with his kids.

1781
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: So he's a great story and his wife started a

1782
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: relationship podcast to yeah that did.

1783
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a he's a better headspace right now.

1784
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely gonna reach out to him and be

1785
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: able to share some of his stories and wisdom and knowledge.

1786
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: He's great for the young guys, so I'll be I'll

1787
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: be blowing off my feet when he talks to those

1788
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: young guys, bro, because he's went through it. He came

1789
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: out of high schoolboy po don't understand that he was

1790
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: the number one I think it was number one pick. Yeah,

1791
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: so you know he went through a lot man.

1792
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well one man, we appreciate your time.

1793
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 4: Grad you had an opportunity to share your side of

1794
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 4: what you wanted to share, and uh, you know, definitely

1795
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 4: gonna continue the business talk to would love to, you know.

1796
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 2: Definitely see what we can do. But man, y'all. Let

1797
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: me in the space a little bit.

1798
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 3: Man.

1799
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: I can't have it all, man, y'all, I gotta share. Man.

1800
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: It's four hundred and fifty NBA players, everybody play games, everybody.

1801
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: Let me this space a little bit back. Let me

1802
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 2: sit in that seat of interview, y'all. Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

1803
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 4: We got just a little bit on the Draft Kings

1804
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 4: Network and all the smoke productions you to.

1805
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week, sir.

1806
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: H m hm mm hm

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01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 4: Hm