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Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 5: But yeah, we're been a little bit of the the

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Speaker 3: and you know, you just gotta you gotta you look,

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Speaker 2: Hey, it needs to come in or any to come

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have the rookie Draft. We'll look back at

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Speaker 5: You whoa coming back?

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Speaker 4: That's Monday night football.

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Speaker 2: And then and then I'll take I'll take the Browns

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Speaker 5: It's a tough one, guys, is a tough one.

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Speaker 2: It's really not Buck, But he's making it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you're done. Reet's got a booka Hampton Higgins and

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Speaker 6: I mean, why not if you're him, you had opportunity

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Speaker 6: Gummy left a great legacy in huge footprints.

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Speaker 3: His son, Nick Petrino, is the offensive coordinator of Missouri State.

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Speaker 7: Feed the studs, Feed the studs, get the ball in

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Speaker 1: Say that a little bit lightly, but I think this

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Speaker 5: Players utilized the most.

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Speaker 5: But they didn't they know what they did to me.

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Speaker 2: He's just check.

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Speaker 3: It was just like there's just some kind of simplistic

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Speaker 2: By the way, Buck, that was different than what i'd

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Speaker 2: Now, Zach to me, why would you I respect your

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Speaker 2: That is gold. That is gold. That is the currency

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Speaker 2: year after year after year. You want players coming into

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Speaker 6: Maybe brings Dez Brian Beck as wide receiver coach, and

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Speaker 2: the gang back together. I mean I remember going through

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Speaker 4: He just just get the homies and bring it there.

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Speaker 6: I guess it depends on his affinity for his alma mater.

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Speaker 6: We know that they have lasting power. Look at that along

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Speaker 2: Pettigrew coaching the tight ends and forever.

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Speaker 5: Olly Gordon's busy. Maybe Barry Sanders would come back.

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Speaker 4: And uh, Thomas, anybody you got, you got a bunch

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Speaker 3: Look, I do think twenty million dollars is probably what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you do that as a top tier

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Speaker 2: I want a four year, thirteen fifteen million dollar contract

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Speaker 6: You can get over okay thirteen, Okay, red you and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, look, the money is the money.

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Speaker 3: But I understand DJ's ultimately you know, if you're getting

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Speaker 2: The league, Sirianni's making like fifteen million a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now there's there's probably less patience in the league.

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Speaker 2: One of those deals.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's take a quick pause. We come

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Speaker 2: back one hit on some of these some of these

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's go to the receivers. Let's go

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Speaker 4: Think that is the one position where I still don't.

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Speaker 2: I think George is off to the side RTT. I

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Speaker 3: Well, and they they did go into great situations with

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Speaker 3: You can't take them Monroe Saint Brown out of the game.

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Speaker 2: I do think though, there's a profile for the top

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Speaker 2: for the most part. Drew put it in the in

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Speaker 2: He had all the prototypical skills and heighth weight, speed,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. So it's almost like eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: Puka and Amanra, and they are exceptional because they're ability

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Speaker 5: DJ.

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Speaker 3: Would you say that that is a harder eval to

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably what you know, Buck, going back

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Speaker 2: kind of one off type players that are harder to find.

441
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think the main thing in the league.

442
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 6: The league has changed when it comes to wide receivers.

443
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 6: It is now one of the marquee or premium positions.

444
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 6: Look at the way that they're paid in free agency

445
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,399
Speaker 6: in postings, so more people are throwing money and resources

446
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 6: at those receivers because, let's be honest, it is cheaper

447
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 6: to draft a first round receiver sometimes than to pay

448
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,479
Speaker 6: a free agent receiver when he hits the open market.

449
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 6: And because of I would say the readiness, how quickly

450
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 6: these guys are ready to make an impact because they

451
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 6: catch so many balls from high school to college and

452
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 6: now entering the pros. I think it's easier to get

453
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 6: a well developed, polished product at that position compared to

454
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 6: some of the other positions.

455
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump into some of each other position. Let's

456
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: get to the rushing leaders here again. Let's go, and

457
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna I'm gonna give you the point on this

458
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 2: Onett right out to shoot number one. In terms of yards,

459
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: we're looking at yards number one, two, four, six, and eight,

460
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: So that is five of the top ten were second

461
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 2: round picks. Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, JK. Dobbins, Javonte Williams,

462
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry. So that's five there. Then outside of that

463
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: you have one fifth rounder in Karen Williams, who was

464
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: a kind of a scouter's delight. You can kind of

465
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: see the Rams doing some serious scouting when you go

466
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: through this list of finding guys that they were able

467
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: to get a lot out of who were later round picks.

468
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: With Puka being a fifth and uh and Kyraen Williams

469
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: being a fifth, that's two guys that cracked the top ten.

470
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: But when you look at that guys, I mean second

471
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: round picks, running backs seems like a pretty good idea.

472
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's always been the sweet spot you

473
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 6: go all the way back. I mean you just think

474
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 6: about the list of guys that were second rounders. Shady

475
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 6: McCoy was the second round pick, not Alvin Kamara, but

476
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 6: they've been others.

477
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: Leveon Bell all that.

478
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean, like there was a there's a line because

479
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 4: what it does.

480
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 6: It pushed you just beneath the five year contract of

481
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 6: the first round with an option, and then you get

482
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 6: a really good player and because of some would say

483
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 6: the devaluation I would just say that the proper evaluation

484
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 6: of where you can get it, the second round is

485
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 6: the sweet. But then it's just a matter of when

486
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 6: you get to year four, do you continue to pay

487
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 6: them or do you go back and find another second

488
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 6: round and that can get it done the way that

489
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 6: they were able to.

490
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think you're you're on the right

491
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 5: track there.

492
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's like if there's like a

493
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 3: you know, a profile that or a profile thread that

494
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: you could really pull on between you know, yeah, big

495
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: backs like jtuh, Derrick Henry. You know JT's had a

496
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: great speed too, which is you know, a little bit

497
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 3: of a unicorn in that in that regard James Cook, uh,

498
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: you know, kind of kind of scattered.

499
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, it's got great explosiveness.

500
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: I was looking at Buffalo, and you know, I think

501
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 3: that that has been one of the greatest revelations really

502
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: like just looking at overall offensive success, is that their

503
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: realization that James Cook needs to be the focal point

504
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: of our offense, like obviously outside of Josh Allen, Right,

505
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: but I was just looking at a couple of things

506
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: with them, and you know, they're obviously like a lot

507
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: of teams are doing a lot of that inside outside zone,

508
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: but they'll run a lot of kind of those man

509
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: schemes where they can clean up the point of attack

510
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: a little bit for James Cook. And they do it

511
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: with the full back, they do it with a tight

512
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 3: end with you know, they got haws now, and they'll

513
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: do it with receivers too. And well, you give James Cook,

514
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 3: you put a hat on a hat, you give him

515
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: an opportunity to just find a little bit of daylight.

516
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 5: And it's he is so good because.

517
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: I looked at one of the things I looked at

518
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: was yards before contact, right, so.

519
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 5: Who's blocking it up the best? It's actually kind of interesting.

520
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: Buffalo and Houston are tied at the top of that category,

521
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 3: but when you go to yards after contact, this is

522
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: where James Cook's talent comes in. They are double the

523
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: amount of production as the Houston Texans. Right, So the

524
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 3: the Bills are blocking it up, but James Cook is

525
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: forcing almost double as many mistackles and he's find ways

526
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: to get more yards after contact because one, you just

527
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: got a better player there, but a pretty good scheme

528
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 3: as well. So just kind of thought that was an

529
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: interesting dichotomy. When you look at like Cook versus a

530
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb again, was it was another second round pick, right,

531
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: just different style backs.

532
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's a profile in terms of

533
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: the style of the second round back. What I think is,

534
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: I think there's very few guys who were viewed as

535
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: the A plus backs, and those are the Christian mccaffreys,

536
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, those guys, the Bijon's, Like, those guys go

537
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: in the first round, and then what teams have realized was, Okay,

538
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: there might only be one or two A pluses there.

539
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Every year, there's a handful of B plus's A minuses,

540
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: and there's no reason to take a B plus A

541
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: minus in the first round because of the numbers. There's

542
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: enough guys there where I might you know, Trayvon Henderson, Judkins, Like,

543
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: there's gonna be three or four of those guys I

544
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: have similarly graded. So I'm going to get one of them.

545
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: I don't have to take I don't have to take

546
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: one of the first round. I'm gonna get one of

547
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: those handful of guys I really like in the second round.

548
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: So it's kind of been a supply issue. Yeah, there's

549
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: enough supply on a yearly basis in that clump that

550
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: teams will say, yeah, no, I admit that guy's better.

551
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Those one or two guys that could take in the

552
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: first round are better, but not significantly enough where I

553
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't just wait and take one in the second round.

554
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 7: Buck.

555
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

556
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 6: No, It's it's a debate that you have to make

557
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 6: right and a lot of times just take one in

558
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 6: the top ten or don't take one at all.

559
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 4: That typically how it plays out.

560
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: Jamior Gibbs is right up there.

561
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, take one.

562
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 6: Up there who has special talent, special abilities, or wait

563
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 6: to the second round to get a guy that you.

564
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: Can really hang your hat on.

565
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 6: It's just an interesting thing because as the NFL shifts,

566
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 6: as it has moved away from being a run heavy game.

567
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 6: I remember in the early two thousands when those three

568
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 6: running backs win the top it was like Ronnie Brown said,

569
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 6: you Benson, and I can't remember who the other one was,

570
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 6: the cardinal.

571
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cadila like Williams.

572
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 6: They all went bank, bank bang to Now we're talking

573
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 6: about no pause on the running backs. Let's go get

574
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 6: the wide receivers. This makes you we take care of

575
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 6: the passing game for the quarterback. Oh, by the way,

576
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 6: we'll get it back in the second round. It's worked out.

577
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 6: The league is has kind of come to that evolution.

578
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 6: But it's so fascinating to see these second round has

579
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 6: have so much success.

580
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: No doubt. Interesting when you go through only in that

581
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: top ten, George Pickens was the only receiver in the

582
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 2: second round to only one of those, which you used

583
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: to be a time when that was flipped as you

584
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: were saying, second round used to be the wide receiver round.

585
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: Now it's running.

586
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: Last year, lat McConkey was right there as the top

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: of the second round type of guy.

588
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: But there's been I feel like there's been some some

589
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: misses of second round picks at the wide receiver position too.

590
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: I feel like running back has been a little higher

591
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: hit rate than those receivers that my man from Washington

592
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: to the Patriots is Polk is the one that jumps

593
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: in front of mine there. All right, let's let's keep

594
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: it rolling here, let's go to let's go to the

595
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: other side of the ball and just hit on I

596
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: just want to hit on one position here and then

597
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: we can we can wrap this thing up. But I

598
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: wanted to go through these sack guys, so leaders in

599
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: sacks this year. You know, you you start with Brian

600
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: Burns first round pick, so let's get the non first rounders.

601
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: Tied with him. Actually is Byron Young with the Rams,

602
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: he was a third round pick Rams doing some scouting,

603
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Man Benito second round pick with Denver. You get an

604
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent Carl Granderson. He had some legal stuff

605
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: going on at the time, which is like he went undrafted.

606
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Daniel Hunter was a third round pick. He's tied for

607
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: tied that six, tied for sixth on this list. You've

608
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: got Twoey Polo two had all four sacks last week

609
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: in one game against the Giants. And Jackson Darts first

610
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: campaign second rounder, Harold Landry second rounder. So that's the

611
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: list of the guys. Ret an any obvious connective tissue

612
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: there or anything that thinks out to you.

613
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like the the guys that are going

614
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: beyond the first round, you know, they're not like the

615
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: adonisis right, They're not like the Miles Garrett Nick. But

616
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: I think you know when you look at although you

617
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: know Byron Young's a you know, a good looking dude

618
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: from a from a high weight, you know perspective, but

619
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: like Nick Benito was a little undersized, right, Harold Andrey?

620
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: You know, was it a scheme fit?

621
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: Right?

622
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: Could he be a four down?

623
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: You know?

624
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 5: Was it? You know, is he going to be more.

625
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: Of a finesse rusher?

626
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, finesse Yeah.

627
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: Like I think there's just there's like there's just something

628
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: something missing, a little bit in the profile that would

629
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: say like, hey, this dude is a bona fide edge rusher.

630
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: He's going to be you know, he's six foot three,

631
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: you know, two hundred and sixty five pounds, sixty four,

632
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy pounds, like runs a four or five.

633
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: Like, there's something off, right, you're a tweeter. I think

634
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: we talk about a.

635
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: Lot that ends up, you know, pushing guys from the

636
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: first of the second.

637
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's interesting when we talk about that.

638
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 6: I think, is, uh, they're more likely one trick ponies,

639
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 6: but this superpower is overwhelming.

640
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: So when you think.

641
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: About the speed and exploseness of Benito, and you know,

642
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 6: you go in Errol Landry, who I love when he

643
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 6: was coming out of Boston College, like they had a

644
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 6: masterful move and it was the one move that you

645
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 6: saw and you wonder would they be an expand on

646
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 6: it or would they be able to win like Mariano

647
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 6: Rivera and throw the cutter over and over and over.

648
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 6: Yet these guys figured out what they do well then

649
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 6: they just kind of stick to.

650
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: That plan and that approach.

651
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Power Toulie's Power Hunter was length. Like they didn't have that.

652
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: It didn't come with everything. Basically, they don't have the

653
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: full the full toolkit. But what they do have is

654
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: they have like I always go back to that joke

655
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: about one of the coaches told me, like they go

656
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: by the by the three Amigos line of like what

657
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: is the one thing you do well? We can sew okay,

658
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: we can work when you do that, we can work

659
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: with that. Like that is these guys all have something

660
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: to hang their hat on. They all have one redeeming

661
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: uh strength and let you know, each of them you

662
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: can go through individually and find that. But I think

663
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: to me, that's that's what it comes down to. If

664
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Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna get somebody in the first round,

665
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: you're hoping they have everything, speed, power, you know, get off,

666
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: bend all that stuff, and we're gonna take guys outside

667
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: of that. I don't want a well rounded player. I

668
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: want somebody who can either win overwhelmingly one way or

669
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: the other with speed or with power, And in Hunter's case,

670
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: it was you know, I think even at length was

671
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: just so rare, you know that you had something really

672
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: to work with there.

673
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 6: DJ going back to when I was scouting, coaches used

674
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 6: to talk about the NFL is a league for the specialists.

675
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 6: Their job as coaches is to make sure that they

676
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 6: put them in a situation where they always play to

677
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 6: their strengths. And so if you understand that, you understand

678
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 6: that that dynamic is identifying the superpower and then trying

679
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: to project out how far they can go with that

680
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: one superpower. Is it really superior to others or is

681
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 6: it nice? But it's not going to be good enough

682
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 6: to be able to win at the NFL level. And

683
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 6: what we're seeing is, look, man, it's better to be

684
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 6: masterful at one thing than to be meant a bunch

685
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 6: of different things. And these guys have one pitch in

686
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 6: their bag that is different than the rest of the pitches.

687
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's the Belichick principle, right.

688
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: It's like, don't tell me what he can't do, and

689
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 3: show me what he can do, and I'll emphasize it,

690
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: and I'll make him a star for it. I mean,

691
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: there's yeah, I mean it just that sticks out. I

692
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: think that's a great point that you make.

693
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Speaker 2: So that's going to get me to the last thing

694
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: that I wanted to get to today as we kind

695
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: of wrap that whole thing up. I'm listening to this

696
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: audiobook right now. I'm going through it and it was

697
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: recommended by a bunch of different people as I was

698
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: trying to study more about golf and learn more about golf.

699
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: And it was called Winning Golf The Mental Game, And

700
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: it's like one of the sports psychologists, the guy's name

701
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: is Saul Miller, talks a lot about They reference a

702
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: lot of that tennis book. What is it, like the

703
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: Art of Tennis or something, That Inner Game? The Inner Game. Yes,

704
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: it talks a lot about that, but it's going through

705
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: all this stuff and it tells it's talking a lot

706
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: about like visualization and how important that is. And it

707
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: told an unbelievable story about this guy who was like

708
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: a prisoner of war for seven and a half years.

709
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: If you'd heard this story at all, but he he

710
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, so he's like think in his mid like

711
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: in his thirties, he's and he's he loses over one

712
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: hundred pounds. He's only getting like three hundred calories a day.

713
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: He's literally in prison camp for seven and a half years.

714
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: But what he would do to try and just stay sane,

715
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: as he loved golf, and so he would in his

716
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: mind every day go, okay, I drove my car parked

717
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: here at his course. He'll go, all right, Then I

718
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: get out to the tea box for a shot like

719
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: he went. He played that whole round of golf every

720
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: day for seven and a half years as a way

721
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: to kind of stay sane. So he gets out and after,

722
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: you know, a few months after he's out again, he's

723
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: lost all this weight. He's obviously super you know, sick

724
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: and not not healthy. He goes and plays golf for

725
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: the first time and he shoots like in the low

726
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: seventies after not having played golf, and like, how the

727
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: heck did you do that? So I've played this course

728
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: in my mind every day for seven and a half years,

729
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: and it was like speaking to the to the power

730
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: of being able to positively visualize things. And it goes

731
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: to a lot of the other stuff that talks about

732
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: that tennis book Buck where which is you never think

733
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: don't hit it here, avoid this, like the no negative thoughts.

734
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: It's always like, I'm attacking, this is where I want

735
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: to hit it, this is where I'm going to hit it.

736
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: And I start thinking about that and I'm like, man,

737
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: now I kind of get why these teams pay all

738
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: this money these sports psychologists when you're interviewing players as

739
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: you're going through the draft, because there's evidence in proof

740
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: that that your mindset in that regard for a lot

741
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: of these guys. From a scouting standpoint, you can be

742
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: the most talented guy in the world. If you're not

743
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: right between your ears, you got no shot.

744
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: You know.

745
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 6: It's funny, DJ, We've never shared this, but in college

746
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 6: at North Carolina, there are two sports psychologists that I

747
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 6: work with. One was doctor Richard Coop, who was renowned

748
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: in the golf world for doing that. And every Friday

749
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 6: night he would have me sit in the ballroom and

750
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 6: literally close my eyes and teach me how to visualize.

751
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 6: And it would start with like filling the sun on

752
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 6: your things and going to your happy place wherever your

753
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 6: happy place is, and then eventually you.

754
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: Get to playing.

755
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 6: And he would always have you see yourself making the

756
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: play that you want to make from multiple angles, So

757
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 6: see it out of your own eyes, see it from

758
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 6: the eyes of the crowd, and see it from a thing,

759
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 6: and so you begin to put all these things together.

760
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 6: The other thing that he would have you do is

761
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 6: sometimes when you visualize it like it doesn't go the

762
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 6: way that you want, he would have you replay it

763
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 6: and see yourself doing it perfectly the way that you want.

764
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Speaker 4: And he would.

765
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 6: Always say, your mind, I can't tell the difference between

766
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 6: a real rep and an imagined rep. So if you

767
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 6: can train it the right way, you can get all

768
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 6: of those things. And so think about the virtual reality

769
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: stuff we talk about with Jade Daniels and all of that.

770
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 6: It is all about building this mental bank of positive

771
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 6: thoughts and images and those things in your head. So

772
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 6: when it plays out, it is almost like deja vu

773
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 6: on the field, as opposed to Oh, I'm surprised I

774
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 6: did this, but in your mind you're like, oh, I've

775
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: done this before.

776
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: This is rett. Have you ever thought about that? As

777
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: someone who's working calling games, you've been doing that for

778
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: a while now, I now like kind of reframes how

779
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: you look at things like I think of guys who've

780
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: made great calls, Like think about Joe Davis when Freddie

781
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Freeman hits the Grand Slam to walk it off, and

782
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: it was you know, Kirk Gibson, and I think he

783
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: said like Freddie meet Gibby or something. It was like,

784
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: it was a really cool kind of a moment. When

785
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: I was reading that book, I was like, gosh, I

786
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: guess even in the broadcasting side of things, when you're

787
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: calling games, you can almost kind of visualize, Okay, we're

788
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: in the late game and we get a big like

789
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: what would you say or how this work or what

790
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: would this look like? I never thought about how many

791
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: different ways you can use that in whatever you're doing

792
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: in life.

793
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, look, I still remember that the

794
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: Minnesota Miracle Joe Buck. I think he said four words.

795
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: It was like digs.

796
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Complete sideline touchdown, you know, and like you think about

797
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: this great like poetry of it, and it's like, well

798
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you know simplicity, but the but it gave

799
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: you the visual like it's all you need it, you know,

800
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: if you were if you were really listening to it, right,

801
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: And I think it's got the thing that I was

802
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: envisioning in my mind when you were talking about that, Bucky,

803
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: when you were mentioning you know, it's like that is

804
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: the like your mind's analog version of virtual reality, you know,

805
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: of the VR stuff like, because you are giving yourself

806
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: the full picture, just you know, through your mind's eye.

807
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 5: I think that's really powerful.

808
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting stuff. But I would encourage you if

809
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: if you're into uh in the golfer, any type of

810
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: any type of sport. Really that's a lot of value

811
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: in there.

812
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 4: Buck.

813
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: You mentioned he was getting that stuff back in the nineties,

814
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: so I'm kind of new that world in terms of

815
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: us how you use visualization those things. So really really cool.

816
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: All right, this is a fun one.

817
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: What was that? I said? Nice?

818
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: That's that's yeah, You're you're like a you're like a

819
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: golf guy. Now this is weird.

820
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: I've gotten into it, man, you know what I I

821
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: And it talks a lot of this about why all

822
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: the way?

823
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: All the way?

824
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sucked to but no I don't because I'm

825
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: listening to this book and I'm just improving. I'm on

826
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: my way to being a really good golfer. I can

827
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: see the path. It's a little can see a little

828
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: bit windy, A little bit windy, but it's but it's coming.

829
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: All right.

830
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us, guys.

831
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: Be an empty nester.

832
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I got to fulfill my time. I

833
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: got my last one almost almost done. We appreciate you, guys.

834
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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here on movesticks