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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: There is Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I am how you doing? Look out? I'm good?

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Speaker 2: You are you good?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: So? Do you know what's ridiculous? I do you know?

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Columbia outer wear like I'm more of like a cotopaxsy girl.

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Speaker 3: Ah nor face face Yeah, Columbia.

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Speaker 4: They did a mash up and someone sent a couple

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Speaker 4: like handful of people sent this to us. And I'm

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Speaker 4: looking on my iPad at a picture of this and.

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Speaker 3: It is nauseating.

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Speaker 2: Color me shocked.

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Speaker 4: And the the wording on this image the Big Games

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Speaker 4: Beer just dropped.

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Speaker 3: That's the wording on it.

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Speaker 4: Because they got together with Breakside Brewery to come up

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Speaker 4: with a beer called Nature Call Oh God. With Columbia sportswear,

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Speaker 4: you can enjoy the parts of nature. So it stands

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Speaker 4: to reason that we can even start with bear poop

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Speaker 4: and end up with something delectable. Introducing Nature Calls a

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Speaker 4: Big Game beer brewed by our friends at Breakside Brewery.

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Speaker 4: It's smooth and satisfying with notes of honey and huckleberry

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Speaker 4: Scoop yours at one of the locations below, or if

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Speaker 4: you're not lucky enough to be an organ, you can

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Speaker 4: sign up.

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Speaker 3: In case of a future release. Here's the picture.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't care.

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Speaker 4: It's a can of beer sitting in a pile of

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Speaker 4: bear poop.

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Speaker 2: What is up with all the stunt casting of things

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Speaker 2: and just make a good beer.

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Speaker 4: You know you missed out zir because they had darn

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Speaker 4: at Levi Stadium at the Super Bowl and you could

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Speaker 4: have gone and like chuggle.

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Speaker 3: Up beer or gone up to organ.

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Speaker 4: But whatever bear beer, you can sign I sent I

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Speaker 4: put your email in because it said can't make it

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Speaker 4: to the tailgate or break side brewery.

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Speaker 3: Top putting my email that sucks.

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Speaker 4: We'll probably make more one day, So sign up here

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Speaker 4: and we'll let you know about future drops.

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Speaker 3: So I signed you up. Thanks, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Like nobody makes a good product anymore to get attention,

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, no, we just do this crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: See this is like bear poop and beer.

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Speaker 3: Of course, why that makes me want it?

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Speaker 2: We want some bear poop beer poured into an old

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Speaker 2: used clown shoe.

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Speaker 4: I feel like if you found out the number of

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Speaker 4: places where I signed you up with your email address

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Speaker 4: don't eails it, you would absolutely lose it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm already doing. I'm halfway down that track.

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Speaker 3: You already have no idea of losing it your spam folded?

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, right, win us that word very loosely, so,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunn' you know what else is ridiculous? It doesn't

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Speaker 2: involve bears, poop or beer hit me, Okay. The stories

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Speaker 2: we tell ourselves versus the stories others tell about us. Okay,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're a bank robber.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd enjoyed this one. I made it special

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Speaker 2: for you today because, Yeah, today's story is about Cora Hubbard,

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Speaker 2: Lady Bandit. This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous, elizabethar In order.

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Speaker 2: To dig into this one, we need to step back

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Speaker 2: in time. The year is eighteen ninety seven. Our modern

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Speaker 2: world is straining to be born. Although eighteen ninety seven

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Speaker 2: really is the beginning of a new era. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like you have, like Thomas Edison inventing the kinetoscope, which

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Speaker 3: You're less than one hundred years away from point.

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Speaker 2: Break exactly, you know you have You're inside of a

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Speaker 2: In the case of this story, the end of the

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Speaker 2: and the era of cowboys and cowgirls.

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Speaker 3: I know you love that.

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Speaker 2: You know I do. Now there's a very physical indicator

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Speaker 2: for the end of this era, in particular one they

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Speaker 2: can be delineated by the discovery of oil. Oh really

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Speaker 2: On April fifteenth, eighteen ninety seven, in Indian Territory, in

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Speaker 2: before they've been in like Pennsylvania, Ohio, that area. Now

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Speaker 2: Scorsese made a whole movie about this story called The

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Speaker 2: Killers of the Flower Moon. Check that out right now. Coincidentally,

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Speaker 2: one week and one day later, on April twenty third,

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Speaker 2: eighteen ninety seven, the US government sends something called the

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Speaker 2: Territory would be no more. Elizabeth, that's the location for

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: The land once known as Indian Territory. Now I won't

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Speaker 2: keep saying it, but do you know again about Indian Territory?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Do I know about it?

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Speaker 2: Do you know why it exists? Why it's called That's

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Speaker 2: its whole vibe. It's story stuff, right, Yeah. So it

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Speaker 2: starts with Andrew Jackson, the Indian Removal Act, the Trail

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Speaker 2: civilized tribes, which is the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the Chickasaw,

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Speaker 2: the Creek, Muskogee, and the Seminole tribes. Now the Indian Territories,

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Speaker 2: Then eventually it shrinks its borders down into Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Of those there was some good land in there, but

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Speaker 3: Seen yeah, yeah, when we do a little road trail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Indian Territory had not just been a land

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Speaker 2: a satellite of the James Younger Gang, as in Jesse

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Speaker 2: So the James Younger Gang Elizabeth were former Confederates. They'd

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Speaker 2: who's Bell Star Great Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: When I ask good questions like that?

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Speaker 2: Mera May Bell Shirley was born in eighteen forty eight

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Speaker 2: it certainly did for Bell Starr. When her family settled

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Speaker 3: Didn't you talk about Judge Parker and the black cowboys?

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Speaker 2: I did. All that's right, Hold that thought. I'll come

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Speaker 2: back to that because oh yeah, no, I mean yes,

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Speaker 2: I did talk about Fort Smith. I talked about Bass Reeves,

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Speaker 2: Now side note, did you know that federal penitentiary in

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Speaker 2: That's how we get the Lone Ranger. M Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: same prison, the Detroit House of Corrections. That's where these

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Speaker 2: George Trendall and Franz Striker, right, And they would hear

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Speaker 2: these stories from all these cowboys and it became like

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Speaker 2: the underground crime stories in Detroit. There were just you know,

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Speaker 2: whole show, The Lone Ranger. Right. These outlaws that Judge

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Speaker 2: Parker would send there would tell these amazing tales of

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Speaker 3: And that's Bass Reeves. Right.

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Speaker 2: There's some dispute. There's another Texas lawman as well. So

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did not know. But like many women

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Speaker 2: open handed and freehearted. I used to meet them at dances,

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00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: to tell the truth. Bob Dalton used to be a

438
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: sweetheart of mine. We used to go together, but I

439
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: never went on any raids with him. He visited me

440
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: and took me to the dances.

441
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: They just dated. They didn't want to read.

442
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: You can hear she's still a teenager girl at heart,

443
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 2: despite her outlaw leader.

444
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 4: And I'm fixated on this divorce. What does it take

445
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 4: in that time, at that age to get a divorce?

446
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: Yea, I go before I judge the lawyer. There's a

447
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: lot of the.

448
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: Stuff could, of course, but I'm just saying, like what

449
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: it takes, like it's it's the bar I think is

450
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: far higher at that point than you know.

451
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: She doesn't have the autonomy that, yeah, I mean, but I.

452
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Think if she can go before a justice of the peace,

453
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: I think it wasn't impossible. Yeah, it wasn't like possibly difficult.

454
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: You said, she's fifteen. She still wants to go to

455
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: dances with bad boys who are her known outlaw exactly,

456
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: which is so relatable, you know, just so Cora Hubbard.

457
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: She shares with the readers of the New York World

458
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: newspaper about how her criminal career begins, and she said, quote,

459
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: I was arrested at Baxter Springs, Kansas in eighteen ninety

460
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: four on the charge of horse stealing. They did not

461
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: get me until after I had knocked one of the

462
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: officers down with my six shooter. They were unable to

463
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: prove the charge and I was turned loose, but was

464
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: rearrested for street walking and find fifty dollars which I paid.

465
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: Wow, right, says so much, so quickly. There's a lot.

466
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: There's a lot, Like my brain's still churning. Just shooting

467
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: at the.

468
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: Cop, doesn't take him out, but takes the knocks him down.

469
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: That's not what did it. No street walking, I mean.

470
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: They shamed prostitution. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So by the age seventeen,

471
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: she's already an outlaw. Her life path has already started

472
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: to take shape, and it's romance that pulls her further

473
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: down the outlaw path. Oh yeah yeah. Soon comes her

474
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: second marriage, to a man named Bud Parker, and just

475
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: like her first marriage, it also doesn't like long because

476
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: when he brings her home to his ranch, she meets

477
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: his handsome and dangerous ranch hand, a twenty three year

478
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: old cowboy by the name of John Sheets Hubba Hubba

479
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: as you would say. So now there's also another ranch

480
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: hand working there, a thirty two year old cowboy named

481
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: Wit Tennyson. Now he is a name, right wit WHI

482
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: t wit Tennis and Tennyson with a y?

483
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: So is he Witman Tennyson. That's what I figured, but

484
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, well read parent.

485
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 2: That's what I'm guessing. Now he's a true outlaw, a

486
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: bank robber by trade, as he tells anybody who asks. Now,

487
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: he's also, by the way, living in the same area

488
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: at this same time, or two of Cora's older brothers,

489
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: Bill Hubbard and Al Hubbard. So all together, this group

490
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: kind of comes together and they decide, you know, we

491
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: should become a new outlaw gang.

492
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not?

493
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, she's like, I read the books,

494
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: I know his stuff. WIT's done it a couple of times.

495
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: So Korra's older brother, Bill Hubbard, he picks their first target,

496
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: the McDonald County Bank in Pineville. He'd lived in this

497
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: town and he's familiar with the bank from memory. He

498
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: draws up a blueprint of the bank where we go

499
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: on this door and there's the safe over here, like

500
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, like it's basically like the equivalent of like

501
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: a stick figure drawing, but for a banking it. No,

502
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: they come up with this plan as to how they

503
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: can rob the bank. So as Coor told the reporters

504
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: from the New York World newspaper, quote, my brother Bill Hubbard,

505
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: who I will fix when I get out, had been

506
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: staying around Pinevale last summer, and he told us there

507
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: was between six thousand and seven thousand in money on

508
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: deposit there all the time, and how we could get

509
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: in and get out. So we concluded we would go

510
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: after it.

511
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: Why not?

512
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, six thousand, seven thousand dollars. It's a tony now,

513
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: you see. The trouble for this gang is they're a

514
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: bunch of wanna be outlast, so their plans are doomed

515
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: long before they even start. They just don't know it. Well.

516
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: They're like the equivalent of the people who watch heat.

517
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Yes, you know that the Michael Mann school of criminology.

518
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: Is, but they don't have the films yet.

519
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: They're just reading they're just reading Jesse James Dimebag.

520
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is you know pretty much.

521
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Say, so, how does it all play out? Great question, Elizabeth.

522
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm so good at these questions.

523
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: You're so curious.

524
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: I really am. I have a very curious mind.

525
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: So, before this newly formed Outlaw Gang is set to

526
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: saddle up and ride boldly ride to quote the poem Eldorado,

527
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: which is one of my favorites, Cora's other brother, Al Hubbard,

528
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: he backs out of the hole like, let's rob a

529
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: bank idea. So and then so does her new husband,

530
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: Bud Parker. So Cora is in sensed. She's like, she

531
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: tells Bud Parker that she can't stay with a quote

532
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 2: a damn coward, Oh like you have a man in So,

533
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: without her brother and her second husband, the new Outlaw

534
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: Gang treks off for Indian Territory. Meanwhile, Cora and that

535
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: handsome and dangerous cowboy John Sheets, they become both outlaws

536
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: and lovers boom at the same time.

537
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 4: He's in Outlaw in the Streets and the Sheets.

538
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you that one. In June two thousand

539
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: and four issue of Wild West magazine, the writer Larry

540
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: Wood he outlined how Cora Hubbard moved deeper into her

541
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: new outlaw life. As Larry would put it, quote the

542
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: Downside Gang stopped at Coffeeville, Kansas, long enough for sheets

543
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: to buy Winchester and ammunition, and then continued to Cora's

544
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: hometown of Weird City, Kansas, where her father, Sam Huddard

545
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: had worked in the coal mines. So her father's working away,

546
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: she goes, she goes home with her new like third lover,

547
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: you know, like her new man. When Cora arrives at

548
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: her family's ranch, her father is shocked at the sight

549
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: of his daughter.

550
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Right.

551
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: For one, she no longer looks like his daughter. Her

552
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: hair is now cut short like a man's haircut. She's

553
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: also wearing men's clothing, and she has this new man

554
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: in her life that he's not seen any letters about, right,

555
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: And so it's also confusing for her father, but he

556
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: just chalks it up to his daughter being a poor

557
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: motherless girl, because yeah, right. So he takes her in

558
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: her two outlaw friends in, he lets them stay with him.

559
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: He's like, what's her name, wit, Nice to meet you, right,

560
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: And so they start to prep for their new bank

561
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: job at her father's ranch or a farm. Now, back

562
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: to Cora Hubbard's account for The World World newspaper, quote,

563
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: we got our winchesters and six shooters in shape and

564
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: started on horseback from we're city of Kansas to Pineville,

565
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: a distance of seventy five miles. The Sunday before the robbery,

566
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: we spent near Neosho and the hills, passed through the

567
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: town at midnight, and then reached Pineville for daylight. So

568
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: she's like, they're doing the traditional, like we're gonna ride

569
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: through the bush, sleep out in. They'll in the middle

570
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: of nowhere and make a fire, that whole bit.

571
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

572
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: They get to Pineville just before daylight. At this point,

573
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: it's August seventeenth, eighteen ninety seven. This outlaw gang. They

574
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: ride into town Bill Hubbard, her brother stays outside of town.

575
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: He doesn't go in for the bank job. So it's

576
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: just the three cowboys, John Sheets, wit Tennyson, and Cora Hubbard.

577
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: According to Philadelphia Inquirer, Cora Hubbard quote carried a repeating

578
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: rifle over the pommel of her saddle. The belt around

579
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: her waist contained two revolvers and one bowie knife. Yes,

580
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: she's coming in strapped right, hey, So as Cora Hubbard

581
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: tells the reporter from the New York World newspaper, quote

582
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: about ten we rode up to the bank and dismounted.

583
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: I was left in charge of the horses while John

584
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: and Tennyson went into the bank. There were a few

585
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: people on the street, and they had but little difficulty

586
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: in getting the money. Not a shot was fired, but

587
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have to pump it into

588
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: one old cuss who persisted in standing and watching me.

589
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: Also a young fellow who acted as green as a pumpkin.

590
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: But when I told him to hide out, he fairly

591
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: raised the dust. Nice, I love fairly raised the dust.

592
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: So when Corn tells the same story to the reporter

593
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: from the Philadelphia Inquirer, she also recounted a couple other details,

594
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: like how quote there wasn't a man on that street

595
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: that would have dared enter that door. Well, I could

596
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: have held up that little town all by myself if

597
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: I had wanted to. When the men in the street

598
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: became excited, I pointed my revolver and said, any man

599
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: that tries to cross that.

600
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: Door dies, Yes.

601
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 2: So well, Coorn's standing watching her new bow, John Sheets

602
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: and the experienced bank robber went tennison sneak around the

603
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: bank and they ender from the back. Once inside, they

604
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: pull their weapons. They show their Winchester rifles to the

605
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: bank president this cat av Manning, and the cashier John Shields,

606
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: and the county treasurer this cat Marcus Lamance. Now the

607
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: outlaws announce we're here for the money and we want

608
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: it damn quick, right, just classic the wild West banker

609
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: irie style. To make it clear that they are not

610
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: men to be fed with, John Sheets turns his Winchester

611
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: on the cashier, the kid Shields, and knocks him to

612
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: the floor, just doubles him up. He goes down on

613
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: all fours with the butt of it, actually with the front,

614
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: but yeah, oh dam yeah, with the muzzle. So the

615
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: bank president nods to the cat that is not it'll

616
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: get attention. Now. The bank president nods to the cashier

617
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: Shields to do us instructed, like, you know, give him

618
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: the money damn quick. And he gets it, and he

619
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: fills the sack with coins and paper money to the

620
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: tune of five hundred and eighty nine dollars and twenty

621
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: three cents, which is a far cry from the five

622
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: thousand or six thousand that they thought they'd get. Now,

623
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 2: we do have an eyewitness account from one of the

624
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: townsfolk in the January fifteenth, nineteen thirty nine edition of

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: the Tulsa Tribune. They recalled this bank robbery that was

626
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: still a legend in the area some forty years later. Wow, right,

627
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: like yeah, like the older like the gray hairs, the

628
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: silver tops, they're all like I remember when I was

629
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: a boy. Right. So the eyewitnesses is cat Claude Duval,

630
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: who was the son of the local Pineville Herald newspaper publisher,

631
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: a man who was named Claib Duval, which I have

632
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: to assume is short for Claiborne. Yeah, c l a

633
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: b c la ib c laib la.

634
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: Duval Claiborne, Yeah, I guess so either way, that's a

635
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: great Western name, totally.

636
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: You can't fake that now, you could. So the Sun

637
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: Claude he quote Claude explains the fear of this lady

638
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: bandit costs as best as he can decades later, right,

639
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: so he remembers standing guard at the front steps of

640
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: the bank. This Cora Hubbard Or's Claude recalled small young

641
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: man boy, part Indian, Right, that's how he thought she

642
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: was when he was a kid and then out comes

643
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: the rest of the outlaw gang. Because remember she's got

644
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: the short hair, wearing the men's clothes.

645
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Thearon address is not practical in that light.

646
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: Definitely not, but I mean it is comments he's.

647
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: Not there for the mail gaze function.

648
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: Yes, she's wearing like what you called dungarees basically, so

649
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: she's like, I've gotta get over on a horse, get

650
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: off the horse. I ain't wearing a skirt and cut

651
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: doesn't even right side settle. So once the bank robbers

652
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: they get their money, right, John Sheets pushes the cashier

653
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: Shields and bank president av Manning ahead of them as

654
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: they exit the bank right. The reason why is they

655
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: want to keep their their prisoners close to them because,

656
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: as Claude tells it, quote, inside of three minutes they

657
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: had secured the cash and started for their horses, compelling

658
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: Shields and Manning to march at a lively trot in

659
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: front of them, thus preventing any shots being fired as

660
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: they retreated. So they're doing like the classic like stay

661
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: close to me. Yeah, yeah, they walk them out. Now

662
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: the bank's been robbed, the bank robbers have successfully escaped

663
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: and reunited with their lookout Cora. How does his brand

664
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: new gang outlaws escape the town?

665
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: Great questions.

666
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: They shoot their way out of town, and if they're

667
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: successful at that a posse will likely be formed to

668
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: chase them down. It's a really long, but great question, Elizabeth.

669
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: To answer that, I want to tell you this close

670
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: your eyes, I'd like you to picture, as it was

671
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: a quiet morning in the tiny town of Pineville, fat

672
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: and fluffy white cumulus clouds crowd the sky. They look

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: like sheep in a meadow. A slate breeze has been

674
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: blowing the dust from the unpaved main street, and you,

675
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: you've been doing your morning feeding, picking from the pollen

676
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: on offer from a pile of day old flowers left

677
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: as refuse in an alleyway, because you, Elizabeth, are a

678
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: brilliant blue butterfly. But your breakfast of yellow pollen granules

679
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: is interrupted when three cowboys flee the town. You flip

680
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: your wings take to the air as the bank robbers

681
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: rush to mount their horses. You pull it up lazily

682
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: as the bank robbers fire their pistols into the air,

683
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: meant to scare off any pain in the net ganis

684
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: and bystanders. It works beautifully, however, Now you are sort

685
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: of flitting along and right smack dab in their path

686
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: to escape as the bank robbers charge out of town

687
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: on horseback. Unfortunately for you, you are not quick enough

688
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: to flit out of their way. Your ever soft wings

689
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: get pinned against the saddle of one of the bank

690
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: robbers horses, and just like that, you too are fleeing

691
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: the town. Now, when unwitting stowaway, the hoofs of the

692
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: three horses pound the earth as the riders shout encouragement

693
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: at their steeds, You just try not to get crushed

694
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: in all the commotions are a delicate butterfly. The thunderous

695
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: clatter of hooves against the hard pack earth of the

696
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: town's main street soon gives way to the softer sound

697
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: of the horses galloping across tall, sun dry yellow grass.

698
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: Riders next steer their horses into the woods and slow

699
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: down to a truck. The riders avoid the low branches.

700
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: The horses finally come to a stop and a clearing

701
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: in the woods, where a fourth rider joins them. The

702
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: three greet this fourth man in friendly tones. At least

703
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: there won't be any more shouting or and shooting. You

704
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: think you wish to flit off on your own, but

705
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: in their hasty retreat, your wings got stuck to the

706
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: leather of the saddle. And so now you watch the

707
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: robbers as they dump the sacks of coins and paper money.

708
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: The bank robbers laugh at their success as they divide

709
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: up the loot. Once each bank robber has their fair

710
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: share of the stolen cash, they give their horses a

711
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: kick in the sides and gallop off. But one of

712
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: the horses is breathing hard and rough. It can't go

713
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: on like this. You hear one of the bank robbers

714
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: point out a boy on horseback in the distance. There

715
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: across a field, making his way down the old country road.

716
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: The bank robbers ride off in his direction. You see

717
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: the boy turn as the now four riders approach. The

718
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: boy puts on a gray face right up until one

719
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: of the bank robbers draws his six shooter and orders

720
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: the boy down from his horse. His eyes now filled

721
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: with fear, he does as he's told. The bank robber

722
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: climbs off his horse and takes the reins of the boys.

723
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: He mounts the beautiful animal. He asks the horse's name.

724
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: The boy sputters out, Birdie. We call him Birdie. The

725
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: bank robber tells the boys, that's a good name, and

726
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: he's trading horses with him, and you be good to

727
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: his horse. The boy just nods. He watches, almost wordlessly,

728
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: as the bank robbers gallop away and disappear over a

729
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: rise in the country road. It turns out that boy

730
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: is the son of the bank cashier. You couldn't possibly

731
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: know that, but this means the cashier has been robbed

732
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: twice in one morning. Meanwhile, you finally get free of

733
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: that saddle and flit up into the cloudy sky. What

734
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: a morning it's been for you, Just a simple prairie butterfly.

735
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: Now there you go, Elizabeth, As you just saw and heard,

736
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: these wanna be outlaws did successfully rob a bank. They

737
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 2: did the thing I always talk about. They got away

738
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: with them. They managed to mount horses ride for the

739
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: territory with posse on their heels. What this gang outlaws

740
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: doesn't know is that they're up against the dawning era

741
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: of modernity. Yes, as in the townspeople use the telegraph

742
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: to contact other towns and inform them they've just been robbed.

743
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: And five miles away is the town of Nowell, where

744
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: danger awaits. Let's take a little break and when we

745
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: get back, we will find how that danger plays out. Okay, Elizabeth,

746
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: how you digging this? Do you like being a butterfly?

747
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: I love being a butterfly. That's fun for me. And

748
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: then I thought any.

749
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Better than of being like a house fly or a

750
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: horse flyer.

751
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: Oh you know, sometimes you just don't get a choice

752
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: in whatever next life pre reincarnated form.

753
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what am I going to do? You know, it

754
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: is what it is. But I'm loving this sort of

755
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: these adventure tales. I like to remove myself from the today.

756
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I thought I thought past is fun

757
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: and this is an engrossing one, So yes it is. Okay, So,

758
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: as I told you both, like just a second ago,

759
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: the era of modernity is dawning. So we do have

760
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: the telegraph, and so it's able to connect people with telephone,

761
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: not telephone poles, but telegraph poles.

762
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 4: The Internet.

763
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's wires that are running the link to town.

764
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: So they use this right and when the telegram arrives

765
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: with its message soon enough, another posse is formed in

766
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: the town of Noel. They these posse members are told

767
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: to be on the lookout for three bank robbers, one

768
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: of whom is quote a small young man or boy,

769
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: part Indian. Now the posse and Noel is quick to

770
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: their horses. They head out of town, and they managed

771
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: to link up with the first posse, the one from Pineville,

772
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: and together they formed this sort of super posse. Now

773
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: together they also chase down the outlaw gang. However, the

774
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: men are smart about it. This ain't the first time

775
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: they formed a posse, So rather than chase after the

776
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: bank robbers, they anticipate where the bank robbers will go next,

777
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: and they circle around to lay and wait and ambush

778
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: them when the outlaws right into the scene. As Carr

779
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: recalled it to the New York World News, quote, we

780
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: had encountered no trouble until very near sundown, when we

781
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: met a posse of about a half dozen citizens near Noel.

782
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: Now that is after the surprise. She's telling this, right,

783
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: she's telling this after much later. I will tell you

784
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: how they actually came across the posse, because it's a

785
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: much better version. So this story only gets better and better,

786
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: because remember, they successfully robbed a bank for one tenth

787
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: of the money that they expected to be there. They've

788
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: bullied a child into stealing his horse. The way that

789
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: it comes undone for them. Is is more examples of

790
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: what don't be a wanna be outlaw who's never been

791
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: a b bank robber decide I'm committing fully right. You

792
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: may want to get at least two people who've done

793
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: in the bar, not just al wit Tennises.

794
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: Do more than just watch heat.

795
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and like many criminals recover this craw also

796
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: finds the best lay plans can be undone by things

797
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: like paperwork or a miscalculation or in their case, a betrayal.

798
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: But we'll get to that in a second. Yeah, but

799
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: first we need to escape the super Posse. So when

800
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: the three bank robbers ride out of town, they linked

801
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: up a chorus brothers Bill. He reconnects with them, so

802
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: now it's actually a four person banned of outlaws that's

803
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: riding hard for the territory. They gallop through dry ravines,

804
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: rocky passes, They weave their way through woods and brambles

805
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: until finally come to this dry gulch. The same golts

806
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: for the Superposse is lying in wait to ambush them.

807
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: So this posse out numbers them these wannabe bank robbers

808
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: about two to one. So right off the bat, the

809
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: odds aren't in their favor. But the wannabe bank robbers

810
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: have another problem facing them. They make all kinds of

811
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: rooky mistakes when their speedy retreat runs into a full

812
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: on gun fight. Oh yeah, here's how Cora Robbard recounts

813
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: their flight to freedom. She told the New York World

814
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: newspaper in February seventh, eighteen ninety eight edition. Quote, we

815
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: were riding single file with Tennyson in the lead when

816
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: the posse opened fire on us without a moment's warning.

817
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: Tennyson's pony wheeled and run at the first fire, and

818
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: that was the last we saw that coward.

819
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: So to summarize horses, the coward or Tennis.

820
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: Wit Tennyson, he's riding the horse that he stole from

821
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: the cashier's son, the horse called Bertie. And when the

822
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: fire and start, Birdie freaks out and you know, I've

823
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: never been in such as I'm not like this to

824
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: the steed. He tosses, with Tennyson off his back, and

825
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: the horse bolts right, leaving Tennyson in the dirt. Meanwhile,

826
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: he's also been shot, so he's gun shot alone and

827
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: thrown from a horse. Yeah, and a coward, Well, there's

828
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: a reason for that, but he's not fair, and well

829
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: we'll leave it at that. So meanwhile, her brother Bill,

830
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: who is not shot, he rides off in his own direction, right,

831
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm taking off just cuts for the like

832
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: the tree line that.

833
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: She complained that it was without warning. Yeah, Like they're like,

834
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: oh you.

835
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: Get ready, you hear us coming 're over here by

836
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: the rocks. So what about Cora and her lover John Sheets. Yeah,

837
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: great question, Elizabeth Grey, do the story. Cora tells the

838
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Inquirer. There's a lot more action in chaos. Then

839
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: she summed up earlier as she puts it quote. Then

840
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: we mounted and made for nowel and the posse caught

841
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: up with us and began shooting. Bill joined us out

842
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: of Pineville, so we returned fire. I shot more than

843
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: forty shots. They shot John Sheet's horse from under him

844
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: and his revolver out of his hand. He got his

845
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: revolver again and we shot back thick and fast. Then

846
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: they shot my horse from under me and my revolver

847
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: out of my hand. My winchester was strapped in my saddle,

848
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: and I went right after it. While they were shooting,

849
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: I got my winchester quick and began firing it. I

850
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: wanted to go back and fight them, but John wouldn't

851
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: do it. That was his way. He didn't want to

852
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: kill anybody, and never did kill anybody. I aim to

853
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: hurt them fellas, and I guess we scared them. WHOA.

854
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: That's how she tells it. Enough. That's not also, by

855
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: the way, not exactly the same story that the Philadelphia

856
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Inquired tells. The Rider summarizes all these events from different perspectives. Yeah,

857
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: and he says, quote. The vigilantes thought they had her

858
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: at last, but before they could reach the spot, the

859
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: girl in the clothing of a cowboy had mounted the

860
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: riderless horse of the wounded robber and was on her way,

861
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: turning in her saddle every minute to let loose a

862
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: few bullets with the evident intention of killing one or

863
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: more of her pursuers. Had she used her rifle, the

864
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: results might have been different, but she did not and

865
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: was out of pistol range. The last they saw the

866
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: girl was when she was just entering a rocky place

867
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: where she would soon be hidden by the trees. Then

868
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: the girl turned in her saddle and fired six rapid

869
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: shots from her revolver shots ringing defiance to the people

870
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: who believe in law and order. Now, notice that the

871
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: paper makes her out to be some kind of hardened

872
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: criminals real, while her own account seems a little bit

873
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: more plausible. Regardless of which version events you choose to believe,

874
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: this much is clear. Her brother Bill basically links back

875
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: up with them outside of town. When they're ambushed wit

876
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Tennyson gets shot and his horse dumps him. He runs off. Meanwhile,

877
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: brother Bill he escapes, but her lover, John Sheets, gets

878
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: his horse shot out from him, his gun shot out

879
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: of his hand. Cora has the same thing happened to her.

880
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: Then she gets back on her horse, has to go

881
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: save her lover, which she does using her Winchester rifle

882
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: as cover. Then she wants to kill these members of

883
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: the superposit, but cooler head of John Sheets prevail. So

884
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: the lovers now ride off together on one horse and

885
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: they make it to the woods. Where then what do

886
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: they do next? To Elizabeth, they ditch their horse and

887
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: they decide to flee on foot. That's okay, the horse

888
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: has been shot, so that's why. Yeah, So what happens next?

889
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: Great question, Elizabeth. Well, for one, the posse fails to

890
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: find wit Tennyson. Remember he got shot first off his horse.

891
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: He somehow skunks off and nobody finds him, right, but

892
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: the posse does then find the horse Birdie, who's just

893
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: over there quietly grazing on grass.

894
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: He's like, please take me back to normal, exclude me

895
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: from this narrative.

896
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: I'm so I did not want to be pretty hands up. Yeah,

897
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: So Cora's brother Bill, as I told you, he successfully

898
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: flees on horseback, goes his own way. Meanwhile, Cora and

899
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: John Sheets, who are now on foot, try to make

900
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: their escape, with the super Posse chasing after him. Back

901
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: to Cora's account, she says, gunfire quote knocked John from

902
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: his horse, and then when he got I reacted days

903
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: and I thought he was killed. His horse ran away

904
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: and I helped him on behind me, and we went

905
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: back a short distance, and when we abandoned the horse,

906
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: we took to the woods, where we remained until dark.

907
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: So now they're hiding out in the forested woods.

908
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: Right, he's got a concussion, yeah exactly.

909
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's been shot at least or had

910
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: this gun shot out of his hand, possibly been shot.

911
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: Turns out they all been thrown from these horses too.

912
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got broken ribs, oh completely. And as

913
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: Cora told the New York War Quote, after dark, we

914
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: took off our shoes so as not to make much noise,

915
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: and proceeded on foot toward the territory. The next day

916
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: we camped near a nice stream of cold water, and

917
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: I dressed in Nurse John's gunshot wounds, which consisted of

918
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: twelve shots in the arms, breast, and face. What, yeah,

919
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: he's not gun shot, he's gun shot up well, twelve yes,

920
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: different shots. Yeah, so some of this is like bird

921
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: shot shotgun stuff. So it's not just like he's got

922
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: twelve slugs in him, but he's been shot yet he has.

923
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: Twelve holes eight hours earlier.

924
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: So the next day the Posse is still at it, right,

925
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: And the first person that the super Posse does find

926
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: is with Tennyson Because folks in Pineville they received word

927
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 2: from a neighboring town called Southwest City.

928
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: Perfect.

929
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, in Missouri, that a stranger showed

930
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: up in town and ordered breakfast. Now, the man fit

931
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: the description of one of the bank robbers that had

932
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: hit Pineville, and the more important part is that the

933
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: stranger paid for his breakfast in pennies, which was suspicious

934
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: because the bank robbers had stolen a mess of pennies,

935
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, anyone shows up with a bunch of pennies,

936
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: you might not know what he Oh, guy, So the

937
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: super Posse reforms and they ride out and they go

938
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: check if this is their man.

939
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: I think about how many like you know, you spoke

940
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: recently about the football player who didn't anticipate the weight. Yes,

941
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 4: of the bills, but like they've just got sacks and

942
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: sacks and points.

943
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all sorts of different coins.

944
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: Well, let's just say it's all pennies and that's how

945
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: they got five hundred bucks.

946
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: But they do have a lot of pennies, a lot

947
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: of So. Southwest City is about twenty five miles from Pineville.

948
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: So with Tennyson, he was also by the way, gunshot

949
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: and thrown from a horse. He walks twenty or so

950
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: miles I'm assuming through most of the night. Yeah, maybe

951
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: he stole another horse. But because when the Posse he

952
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: catches up to him, he's in the Indian territory about

953
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: twenty miles deep into the terror story, this man has

954
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: covered some ground. Yeah, right, but it doesn't last because

955
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: the Posse gets a tip about this wounded man hold

956
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: up in a cabin and in territory from the people

957
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: who were like, oh, yeah, he was here, had breakfast here,

958
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: paid with pennies, right.

959
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: He had breakfasts like you know I'm starving.

960
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, then he just walked off out of town.

961
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: It's like, I just eggs over easy.

962
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to fill these holes in me.

963
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: Do you guys have do you guys do like brunch?

964
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you have a stick and eggs special? So

965
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: the superpast he goes out to this cabin and Indian

966
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: territory and that's right where they find him, armed with

967
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: a forty five revolver and a Winchester rifle. But he

968
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: doesn't put up a fight. Instead, like gunshot as he is,

969
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: he just gives up and they find on him one

970
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty one dollars and fifty cents of the

971
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: stolen money pennies. So he gets arrested without incident. Posse

972
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: takes him to jail. Once he's in jail, do you

973
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: think he clams up like a real badass bank robber

974
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: should remember he's the professional so or do you think

975
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: he flips on his comrades and tells all that he knows.

976
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: He's got a belly full of all vocado toasts. There's

977
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: no telling little too.

978
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: He wants to survive. He needs the doc to like

979
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: fix him up, so he says all that he can. Elizabeth,

980
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: if you guess he tells everything he knows, you would

981
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: be right.

982
00:48:59,560 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 4: Yea.

983
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: He tells the posse that Cora and her brother Bill,

984
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: here's where they live with them as her lover John Sheets,

985
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: they're all from We're City, and they're likely headed to

986
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: her father's place. I can draw you a map, right,

987
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: So back to John Sheets and Cora, who were by

988
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: the way, still on foot, and I should mention barefoot.

989
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: They get crazy.

990
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: So, according to what she told the reporter from the

991
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: New York World Quote, the next night we proceeded as before,

992
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: and the following morning found us at Grove, Indian Territory,

993
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: God's Country for Bandit, you know where I purchased shoes

994
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: for both of us and medicine for John. While in

995
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: the store, I heard them tell about the arrest of

996
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Tennis and for robbing the Pineville bank, and feared that

997
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: coward would give us all away in order to save

998
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: his own hide. Now she may not have been an

999
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: outlaw for long, but Cora did have good people since right, Yeah,

1000
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: because she knew that Wit was not worth it, and

1001
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: she was right. So at this point, local papers start

1002
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: running with the story of the bank robbery, the attempt

1003
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: to escape, the posse, the ambush, the gunfight, the capture

1004
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: of Wit Tennis, and they got a lot to right about.

1005
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Not to be outdone by the back east newspapers, the

1006
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: local papers run with the notion that Kora Hubbard is

1007
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: the worst outlaw the territory scene since you guessed it,

1008
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: Bell Stars. The papers called her the second Bell Star.

1009
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: One paper even went with this headline, female bandit rivals

1010
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: the daring deeds of Bell Starr and Kate Bender. Now,

1011
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: who's Kate Bender? Great question, Elizabeth, I regret asking she

1012
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: wasn't an outlaw. She was the leader of a thrill

1013
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: kill family that murdered eight people in Kansas back in

1014
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy, so we're talking twenty seven years earlier. So

1015
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: it's like they're basically calling her the female Charles Manson.

1016
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah culture wow, Yeah, exactly.

1017
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: And also keep in mind, so far this group has

1018
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: yet to kill anyone.

1019
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: They've gotten a gun, five, they've gone through a lot

1020
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: of Amma.

1021
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're being compared to a thrill Kill family

1022
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: from twenty seven years earlier. So now we're starting to

1023
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 2: get Cora Hubbard, Lady Bandit right, who's the nineteenth century

1024
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: female Charles Manson. So back to Cora Hubbard's account of

1025
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: what happens next, And she told the New York World

1026
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: newspaper quote, John's wounds had improved, and we walked to Fairland,

1027
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 2: where we hired a rig and went to Blue Jacket

1028
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 2: on the Kdie and took the train for Parsons, Kansas.

1029
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Here I left John and went home, against his wishes,

1030
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: but I owed my father two hundred dollars and I

1031
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: wanted to pay it. So to recap, now, they've walked

1032
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: to town, rented a wagon, rode to a different town,

1033
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: caught a train that takes him to a town not

1034
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: too far from where her family farm is located in

1035
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: We're City. But she now leaves John Sheets there in

1036
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: this other town because he's gunshot with the twelve bullet

1037
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 2: wounds and ailing. Then she and her brother Bill walk

1038
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 2: back to their father's house. The plan is once John

1039
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Sheets rests a day or two, he'll meet up with

1040
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: Cora in Weir City, just rest up a day or

1041
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: two from these twelve bullet holes, and then the two

1042
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: of them planned to flee over the border to wear Iowa.

1043
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: We can just make it to Iowa, Mexico. Yeah, the

1044
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 2: ninety nine county is a freedom except remember with Tennyson

1045
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: has told the Posse that Cora and her brother Bill

1046
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: and on sheets are headed back to where city. Not

1047
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: only that, he's drawn a map to their father's place.

1048
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: So both sides arrive in town at about the same time.

1049
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: Cora does make it to her father's house. When the

1050
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: Posse arrives in town, they first go to the Marshall

1051
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: and they ask for his help, and he's like, I

1052
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: know Sam Hubbard. I'll go out to Sam Hubbard's place.

1053
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: So the Marshall, he's savvy. He doesn't go out and

1054
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: go where where's your boy? And where's your daughter? He

1055
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: rides out and he goes, I need to borrow your

1056
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 2: copper kettle, and it it does like a whole life.

1057
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: So at this point he talks to Sam Hubbard and

1058
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: when he's there he sees Coorra Hubbard. He identifies her.

1059
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, who's that little boy exactly. Indian boy

1060
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: over there? Who is that? I don't recognize him? So

1061
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: he doesn't arrest her though. Instead he rides back to

1062
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: town to alert the posse where Kora is. So now

1063
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: the posse hops back in the saddles and they all

1064
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: ride out to the Hubbard farm. They are oh yeah,

1065
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: and they also have picked up some of some Marshall's

1066
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: deputies and Sheriff's deputies.

1067
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: So before they mega superpostle exactly.

1068
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: But now before they get out of town, this this

1069
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: mega posse. Who do they see walking around in town?

1070
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: None other than Bill Hubbard. So of course they arrest

1071
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: him and they make a quick detour to drop him

1072
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: back off at the Marshall's jail. Then they ride out

1073
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: to the Hubbard farm. They're just picking them off. One

1074
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: hit of time in it right, Some of the posse,

1075
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: this mega posse gets to the house. One of the

1076
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: deputy marshals knocks on the door using his rifle. Once again,

1077
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: he uses the muzzle end. What is this I don't know,

1078
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: But as Jackie Gleason is once said in Smoking the Bandit,

1079
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: that's what you call an attention getter. So it does

1080
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: the trick. It gets their attention. Cora comes to the door,

1081
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: opens it, and she finds a Winchester rifle pointed right

1082
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: at her bak. When she opens the door, she's ordered

1083
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: to put her hands up and come along without a fight.

1084
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: She does as instructed. She pads out of the house barefoot,

1085
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: wearing a calico dress. She calmly greets the posse, reportedly

1086
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: without a trace of fear. As one eyewitness put it,

1087
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: she was quote like a child at play, putting up

1088
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: its hands before a toy pistol and boom off. She

1089
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: goes to jail. Now. The way Cora recounts her capture

1090
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: gives far more detail because she's remember she likes to read,

1091
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: so she told the fellat uph your inquiry quote, when

1092
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: the officers came to wear City, I just got home

1093
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: and was getting ready to go to sleep, and I

1094
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: didn't have on nothing but my tea gown and underclothes.

1095
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: They didn't give me time to dress. Marshall Hatton is

1096
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: a sure coward. He brought about twenty five men armed

1097
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: with revolvers and Winchester's. He said, you hold up your

1098
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: hands or I will kill you. I never threw it

1099
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: up in my hands. I stood and laughed. Then the

1100
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: fellows formed around the house and they walked me out

1101
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: in the street and didn't give me time to dress.

1102
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: So now she's run out in the street barefoot in

1103
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: a calico dress.

1104
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: They that must have made them so mad that she

1105
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: was not scared of them. Oh yeah, because they all

1106
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: traffic it to this day. They all traffic in the

1107
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: fear the domination, and she just yeah, she pushed the buttons.

1108
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: Now, of course, when she's arrested, Corfield's betrayed by her

1109
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: brother Bill, who gave her up, and by went Tennis

1110
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: and who gave her up, and most of brother Bill

1111
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: was the one who you know, it was his idea

1112
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 2: to rob the bank. It was with Tennis's idea, like, yeah,

1113
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: I've done it before, we could do it. So the

1114
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: two like tough time, ended up being the biggest punks.

1115
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: As Cora told the Philadelphia Inquirer, my brother gave the

1116
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: whole thing away. I'll show him when I get hold

1117
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: of him. So she's like put me in the men's

1118
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: side of the prison. To August twenty first, now, eighteen

1119
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: ninety seven, Cora Hubbard and her nitwit brother Bill are arrested.

1120
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: Her lover John Sheets eventually gets rounded up her day

1121
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: or two later, because he does show up all gun

1122
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: shot up.

1123
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: Oh good for him.

1124
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he makes it just like he promised her. She

1125
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: got one good man in her life. That's so. When

1126
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: a reporter from the Saint Louis Globe Democrat arrives to

1127
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: interview Cora in jail, she gives his exhibition to what

1128
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: a badass outlaw she believes herself to be. As the

1129
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Globe Democrat reports, quote, an MPT Winchester rifle was handled

1130
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: by her, and she handled it like an experienced shot.

1131
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: She talked about Belle Starr, a noted Indian territory desperado,

1132
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: and said she'd seen her, but would not tell where.

1133
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: So she's linking herself to the great outlaws at this point.

1134
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: Now the reporter from the Globe Democrat, he's duly impressed,

1135
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: and he writes that quote, she is seemingly perfectly fearless,

1136
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: and so appeared during the bank robbery when she was

1137
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: the list of the three according to Cashier Shields. And

1138
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: also the same writer adds that quote, she has the

1139
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: manners of a tough character and seem to enjoy the

1140
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: notoriety she has attained, so Basically, Kor is living it

1141
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 2: up in jail. She's finally made it to the high life.

1142
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 2: She imagines the notoriety. She's an outlaw. She her name

1143
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: will live for ages in Indian Territory, and since hers

1144
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: is a short lived outlaw career, the Philadelphia choir is

1145
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: only too happy to oblige her and treat her like

1146
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: the outlaw she clearly wants to be, so, as the

1147
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: Inquirer writes, she's fairly well educated, but it is in

1148
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: shooting that she excels. It is said that she can

1149
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: outshoot any of the members of her gang. In spite

1150
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: of the fact that kra Hubbard is probably the worst

1151
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: and wickedest woman on this part of the globe. She

1152
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: has never been known to drink any kind of intoxicating liquids.

1153
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: But when the gang makes a successful raid and she

1154
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: can get her hands on some good cigars, she takes

1155
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: her choice of the weeds and smokes to her heart's content. Right,

1156
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: So she's more man than everyone is, essentially the implication,

1157
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: right yeah. And also the point of the quote is

1158
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: to kind of illustrate that American newspaper writers have always

1159
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: been unreliable because right journalists tend to tell the story

1160
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: they prefer rather than the one that's right there.

1161
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: Before those those days too, with all the yellow journalism,

1162
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: it's yeah, it's not even what you prefer. What's gonna

1163
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: sell them, it's like the daily that's what they prefer,

1164
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 4: is the selling. Yeah, and what's then gonna raise their

1165
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: own profile. Now, what I think is interesting is that

1166
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: around that time they had all these like traveling shows

1167
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: and not necessarily like a wild Bill Hitcock type thing,

1168
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 4: but of that, but the wild yeah, and or just

1169
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: even oddities and performances.

1170
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: And we've talked about this with other outlaws of that era.

1171
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: That if they do a little bit of time, then

1172
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: they come out and they join those and they perform.

1173
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: And so she's kind of basic building.

1174
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: Her legs, setting herself up for that.

1175
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: It sounds like she wants to be the second Bell Star,

1176
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: right so, and not only like you know, does it bleed,

1177
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: it leads, So she didn't make anyone really bleed. So

1178
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: she's got to like fictionalize it. And you know, that's

1179
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: what the journalists find. They find they decide, oh yeah,

1180
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: she's a rough and tumble heart shooting female, and by god,

1181
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: that's what she is. So the Cora Hubbard Lady Bandit story,

1182
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: the Philadelphi Inquirer. Then, like embellishes, they describe her appearance,

1183
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: and they sum up her home life like Cora is

1184
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: when she is at home a passable girl, although the

1185
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: hard life has led its traces in her countenance. She's

1186
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: only five feet and two inches in height, rather stout,

1187
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: very active and with a searching eye. She wears her

1188
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: hair cut short, and when on duty, that is, when

1189
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: about to commit a murder or some financial depredation, wears

1190
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: men's attire. Her home is that weird city, Kansas, and

1191
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: she sometimes goes there to visit her father and mother,

1192
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: whom she regularly supplies with money on which they live

1193
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: in idle life. The mother and father know of her

1194
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: evil life, but they say they do not care so

1195
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: long as she keeps the financial end of their establishment

1196
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: in running order.

1197
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 4: So they're just blowing up, they're expanding out stuff that

1198
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: just never happened totally.

1199
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: And also, in like more modern parlance, it's the whole.

1200
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: She's no angel, you know, she's.

1201
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: No angel, but also look at this, look at this

1202
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: freak total and.

1203
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: It's also lies like her evil life, and like she's

1204
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: her many robberies or paint for her father's life, the murders.

1205
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: None of this is true, right, So to help along

1206
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: Chorus mythos. When she's arrested, it's discovered that Cora has

1207
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: been carrying that law Bob Dalton's pistol. So she tells

1208
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: the newspaper men that she first eased into out law life,

1209
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: remember when she was going to dances with the Daltons,

1210
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: and because she liked her ways. And so when they

1211
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: discovered she's carrying Bob Dalton's gun, she tells reporters more honestly,

1212
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: quote I got Bob Dalton's gun in Chetopah. I bought

1213
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: it from some fella. I knew the gun, and I

1214
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 2: haven't had it over three months. It hasn't the same

1215
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: handles it had, and has been cut down some as

1216
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: it had a twelve inch bar. That's a heck of

1217
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: a gun. So about her dressing like a man, Chorus said,

1218
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: and I quote, I made a pretty good looking man.

1219
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: She also added that it wasn't her custom to wear

1220
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: men's clothes per se, or she put it, I never

1221
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: wear men's clothes except when I go out on a raid.

1222
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: I like nice clothes as well, as any woman. When

1223
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: I get out, I think I'll go back to teaching pain.

1224
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: Oh right, another word to Elizabeth Corra Hubbard, lady bandit

1225
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: contains multitudes.

1226
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 4: It does like some saying it's practicality, like she's not

1227
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: gonna get all gussied up.

1228
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not at all. I remember, she's all she's

1229
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: talking about, Like when I go out on a raid. Girl,

1230
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: you've been on one raid? Right, So, but so the

1231
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: adjuson Daily Globe newspaper. They also send out a reporter

1232
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: and there's September fourteenth, eighteen ninety seven edition the paper

1233
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: publishers its take on Cora Hubbard. And you'll note the

1234
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: paper also celebrates where they prefer to see rather than

1235
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: her multitudes. Yeah so, and I quote Cara Hubbard is

1236
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: a bank robber, She has a fine shot, an expert horsewoman,

1237
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: and a raider with a record. She is the newest

1238
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: of new women right up to date, fearless, dogged, and desperate.

1239
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: At the age of twenty, she rode with Bob Dalton

1240
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: in the sum of the bloodiest expeditions ever organized in

1241
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: the West. How many men she had killed may never

1242
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: be known. It's just all lies, right, Yeah, but I

1243
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: saved my favorite parts. While the robbery was in progress,

1244
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: a posse of citizens was formed and they gave chase

1245
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: to the highwaymen. A running skirmish insured and many shots

1246
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: were exchanged. Cora Hubbard's hat was pierced by three bullets

1247
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: and her horse was shot and killed, yet she escaped unharmed.

1248
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: Several officials of the bank and other citizens all over

1249
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: the plains of Oklahoma and Indian Territory were led by

1250
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: United States marshals, but she did not give up the

1251
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: wild life of a highwayman until the gang was finally

1252
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: broken up. Bob Dalton was killed, Cherokee Bill was hanged,

1253
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: another of the gang was imprisoned, and the others were scattered.

1254
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: They're just throwing everything now into this story. She's with everybody.

1255
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: She's so But as like I said, almost none of

1256
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: that account is true. But since you mentioned my man

1257
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: Cherokee Bill, I thought i'd throw it in back exactly.

1258
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: Now here's how that same paper explains the meaning and

1259
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: motivation of Cora Hubbard Lady Bandit to their readers quote,

1260
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: the girl seems to have been fascinated with the danger

1261
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: of the life she had been leading, and when her

1262
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 2: precious brother Bill suggested to her that they rob a bank.

1263
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: She was right with him. It didn't take her too

1264
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 2: minutes to say yes. What did she care for the danger?

1265
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: She loved the excitement. Since the Dalton crowd had been scattered,

1266
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: she had pined for a taste of the old life.

1267
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: Her nerves were getting rusty. They had been inactive so long.

1268
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: She wanted something to make them tingle and thrill, to

1269
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: warm her stagnated blood and make her pulse beat with

1270
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: the merry leap that it knew of old What better

1271
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: than a bank robbery? Surely there could be nothing more

1272
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: to her liking. She found the excitement, and she enjoyed it.

1273
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: She tried to escape, but failed, though she gave her

1274
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: pursuers a beautiful run for their money, the money she

1275
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 2: had stolen. She took her arrest philosophically and is prepared

1276
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: to go to the penitentiary if necessary. Like they're just

1277
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: now just riffing. They're jazzing all over her story, like

1278
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: nothing anymore. There's no connection to truth. But isn't that

1279
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: like it's just such a charming set of delusions. And

1280
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: then in such vibrant terms of phrase, I remember this

1281
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Speaker 2: is a twenty year old old woman with one failed

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Speaker 2: bank robbery on her record exactly, but the newspaper men

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Speaker 2: make it out like she's Billy the Kid. And so anyway,

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Speaker 2: like I said earlier at the Top of Americans, we

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Speaker 2: will mythologize the hell out of a criminal. So okay,

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Speaker 2: So now the want to be bank robbers. They're all caught.

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Speaker 2: What about the money they stole? Well, the Marshall's discover

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Speaker 2: it's hidden on the Hubbard family farm. There's twenty five

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Speaker 2: dollars buried in a hill of peppers, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty one dollars buried in a hill of potatoes, another

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Speaker 2: ninety one is discovered in a wagon that John Sheet

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Speaker 2: had rowed up when when he arrived at the Hubbard

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Speaker 2: family farm. So they gather up all the money for

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Speaker 2: the most part, but he wouldn't tell the law where

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Speaker 2: the rest was buried. He's like, no, I'm gonna need

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Speaker 2: someone I get out. So when it's time for their trial,

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Speaker 2: Cora Hubbard gets dressed back up in men's clothes and

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Speaker 2: is handed an empty Winchester so she can pose for

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Speaker 2: photographs for the newspaper men. So yeah, she basically her

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Speaker 2: her it's like, what did you wear that one Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: This is not like her normal attire, but she does it.

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Speaker 2: We'll put the image up on Instagram. It's a fun

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Speaker 2: photo anyway. After their trials, Cora Hubbard, John Sheets wit Tennyson,

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Speaker 2: of course, we're all found guilty. Cora and John. They

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Speaker 2: catch ten year stretches. Wit Tennyson has given a twelve

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Speaker 2: year bid since he had that prior record. So they're

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Speaker 2: sent off to Detroit House of Corrections, and, as the

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Speaker 2: New York World reports quote, during her confinement here, she

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Speaker 2: occupied the east cell and the female department, and in

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Speaker 2: the absence of prison companions, devoted most of her time

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Speaker 2: to reading cheap, trashy novels, seldom reading or calling for

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Speaker 2: a newspaper unless it contained an account of her crime

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Speaker 2: or that of her two partners in the bank raid.

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Speaker 2: Like really, so she's back to who she was as

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Speaker 2: a girl, reading trashy novels, exact, dreaming of being an outlaw,

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Speaker 2: but she'd kind of made it. I feel like the

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Speaker 2: trashy novels and reading stories really gives more insight than

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Speaker 2: almost all the other things we've heard. Yeah, Soso, especially

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Speaker 2: about the whole mythos building and the Purple pros and

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Speaker 2: the fascination with Belle Star. Anyway, on the day after

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Speaker 2: Christmas nineteen oh four, the governor of Missouri commutes Cora

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Speaker 2: Hubbard's sentence three years early. She's released on New Year's Day.

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Speaker 2: New Year knew me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: After her release, she finds work as a seamstress, and

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Speaker 2: then she just disappears from the pages of history. The

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Speaker 2: date of her death is unknown because there's no obituary

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Speaker 2: written for her. Over time her outlaw life, try as

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Speaker 2: she might, and all those reporters tried, despite being you know,

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Speaker 2: like aided and abetted by the media, she's largely forgotten.

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Speaker 2: And so ends the tale of Coral Hubbard. Lady Bandit. So, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 4: We hardly knew ye I you know again, the fantastic

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Speaker 4: tales of that era of newspaper work are incredible, that

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Speaker 4: you know what they're inventing, and the mythos and the

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Speaker 4: one that she perpetuated like she was twenty and she

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Speaker 4: had one field base.

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Speaker 2: It's also very much. It reminded me of the influencers.

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Speaker 2: You've told me stories about where they're using the media

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Speaker 2: to project this image that will make them famous. As

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Speaker 2: you said, they can get out and go do Wild

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Speaker 2: West show. Then they'll be rich, right, they'll be able

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Speaker 2: to cash in on it. So this is like once again,

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Speaker 2: there is nothing new under the sun, just some things change,

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Speaker 2: like oh we have to point and click instead of

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Speaker 2: doing the telegraph.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking, Elizabeth. Is it's

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Speaker 2: hard out there being a lady banded, It really is,

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, like you got to be true to yourself

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Speaker 2: and then the world's not true to you, and it's

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Speaker 2: just like a mess of fictions and nonfiction's all running us.

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Speaker 4: Lady bandits and lady hosts and lady rude dudes have

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Speaker 4: a lot to be angry.

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Speaker 2: About, yes, And also don't you love her anger?

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I can identify with that sometimes,

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Speaker 4: you know, you just like you just want to do

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Speaker 4: your thing right, just be great, pigeonholed and not be underestimated.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and I think too that if if

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Speaker 4: any we're talking about lady has, if any man rude

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Speaker 4: dudes were to hear that and be offended, well, maybe

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Speaker 4: do a little introspection if that upsets you.

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Speaker 2: To hear, totally. And also I do love her multitude

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Speaker 2: where she's like, sometimes I want to be wearing men's

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Speaker 2: floating robbing banks, sometimes I want to wear dresses to

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Speaker 2: read trash or not just one thing exactly. Yeah, she

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Speaker 2: has a continuum, so uh in the mood for a

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Speaker 2: talk back, I am always producer. Can you favor us

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Speaker 2: with one?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, ill ge.

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Speaker 3: Saren Elizabeth. It's your best friend Aaron here in Oregon.

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Speaker 3: I just had to say that Philip the Tub.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a mob name, and it's the mob name

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Speaker 2: of the skinniest dude you've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, totally, just like just you know, book twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Uh, well, you know, as always. You

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Speaker 2: can find us online Ridiculous Crime on Blue Sky and Instagram,

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Speaker 2: if you like getting your podcasts there, and they got

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Speaker 2: some cool animations, and we have our website Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: there's a design. I think we were named it James

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Speaker 3: That whole hypnosis section yeah, there is.

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