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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's another week of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. It's crazy to think, actually that like tatious

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Speaker 1: season will be coming to an end very soon, like

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Speaker 1: this was. This has been a monumental season for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: for Batch Nation, and now we're like almost done with it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sad. I'm sad too. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I could ever get better. This is such a great season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've gotten so invested into these relationships, especially

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Speaker 1: with Zach. We'll talk about that later. Yeah, isn't it

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Speaker 1: crazy though, now that we kind of look back because

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Speaker 1: this is the episode every year, you know, Fantasy Suite

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Speaker 1: things start getting real, like, you know, not start getting real.

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Speaker 1: They've already been real, but they start getting more intimate.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the word I was hoping for their um.

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Speaker 1: We know that they've had some type of physical connection

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Speaker 1: to whatever extent they want to have a physical connection,

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Speaker 1: but least they've had their you know, time to have it.

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Speaker 1: And I was sitting there watching this week and it

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Speaker 1: hit me how long ago it feels like Claire's season was. Now.

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre. It's so weird to look back. It was

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Speaker 1: only like h two months ago. Two months ago. Wait,

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Speaker 1: it's like the longest season ever. Yeah, I started like October,

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Speaker 1: the first week of October or something. Well, there are

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Speaker 1: more episodes than most seasons, understandably so, but it was

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Speaker 1: it does feel like a lifetime away that Claire and

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Speaker 1: Dale got. It's absolutely wild. Well, hey, anyways, we got

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Speaker 1: a big episode to break down today. We're gonna break

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Speaker 1: down this latest episode. It was Fantasy suiteks this week,

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Speaker 1: and then we have some Bachelor headlines to cover. So Ashley,

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Speaker 1: my first comment is, Hey, one of our favorite people

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Speaker 1: in Baschel Nation never can see enough of her fantastic

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Speaker 1: human Jojo is back this week. Has she just lived

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Speaker 1: at Laquita for the last like six months. I'm so

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Speaker 1: mind boggled. They had to have kept her at least

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Speaker 1: another four days just for this conversation, right, four days?

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Speaker 1: Wacky Like, Hey, Jocho is great, no harm, no foul.

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Speaker 1: Would love to see her on our TV. She's she's

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Speaker 1: a good personality. However, for her what she do, it

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Speaker 1: is she just is she just kicking it by the pool,

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Speaker 1: like hanging out in her sweet Like there can't be

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Speaker 1: that much going on at Laquita. It's it's a closed

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Speaker 1: down resort, I know. I mean she had free room

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Speaker 1: obviously at that point. So but like free room really

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Speaker 1: doesn't give you a lot while being there. It gives

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Speaker 1: you pool access. It's not like the spas open. It's

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Speaker 1: not like she could. I don't even know she I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what else there would me to do,

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Speaker 1: just wandering around restaurants in a d and fifteen degree weather.

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Speaker 1: But so that starts to show off, and then we

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Speaker 1: have a date with Ivan. Actually, what's your take on

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Speaker 1: their relationship with Ivan at this point? It's one that

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Speaker 1: started out strong. We've had some big moments in their

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Speaker 1: great connection. He's been one of the fan favorites since

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Speaker 1: the beginning. And this is really the week for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean last week is a big week, but this

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Speaker 1: start to understand where their relationship is. And I think

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Speaker 1: their relationship is at the bottom of the told him Pole, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's this relationship is obviously lacking compared to the others,

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Speaker 1: and I'm including Ben in there. I love Ivan, He's

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Speaker 1: so sweet, he has such a nice family. I think

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Speaker 1: he's great on paper. I think they get along well,

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Speaker 1: but I still feel more friendship vibes than anything else,

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Speaker 1: Like for long term friendship vibes, they're like the couple

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Speaker 1: that dates for a bit and then they become friends. Well.

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Speaker 1: Last week, on the episode um or maybe this was

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Speaker 1: the stereo app episode that we did, people started writing

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Speaker 1: some questions to us, and I think it's one question

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Speaker 1: we get around too, but it's you know, who do

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Speaker 1: we think the next Batchel will be? Well? If Ivan

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Speaker 1: is not picked with Tassia, I believe he is a

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Speaker 1: tremendous bachelor choice. Um And I could definitely see that.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with you, I guess in comparison to

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Speaker 1: But the cool part about this final three, and we

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Speaker 1: where they stand, Like, we're definitely the Ivan and Zach

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Speaker 1: to get city either. Obviously Vagination has a huge affinity

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Speaker 1: it's going to be the best long term choice for UM,

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Speaker 1: but it's not. But like, obviously there's something very strong there.

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Speaker 1: But but yes, your your initial point. All these guys

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Speaker 1: their date was great, right, But then you watch the

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Speaker 1: rest of the episode and I'm like, okay, well, Ivan's

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Speaker 1: get we'll talk more about it during the next day.

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Speaker 1: But you know, first we we see that they do

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Speaker 1: the the cold bath. There's a world record thing, and

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Speaker 1: it seems awful. Actually gives me anxiety. That cold well,

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Speaker 1: there's like a little bit of a balance becauld you

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Speaker 1: imagine doing that in any other climate? Isn't it? Isn't

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Speaker 1: it medical? You've got to ask your dad at some

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Speaker 1: Like it's not healthy for you. I don't Yes and no,

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Speaker 1: Like I think we're growing up. We were always told that.

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Speaker 1: But now, like all those therapies like cryotherapy and like

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Should also ask Claire about it, because

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Speaker 1: Claire does it all the time. She takes a cold

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Speaker 1: I would be like, this is the worst date ever.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we're doing this. Um My buddy, My

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Speaker 1: many times have I said whatever in the past two minutes? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: But whatever, it's like horrible or whatever. Okay, so then

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Speaker 1: but every other fantasy suit was seen on this series.

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Speaker 1: It's like a nice big room, like you get the

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Speaker 1: they have sex. That thing is gonna be rocking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not a bash on the show, but remind

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Speaker 1: the next bachelor, No, no, no, but like I mean

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Speaker 1: and therefore leading him to the Bachelor rather than leading

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Speaker 1: him to Tasha. Now, I don't think the activity is

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Speaker 1: he's like, who's Zach the one that looks like Robert DeNiro?

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Speaker 1: up at young Robert de Niro because I've never thought

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Speaker 1: about this, but that would be an incredible, incredible comparison. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's true. So we know that they like

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Speaker 1: do the whole painting thing. It's very much like what

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Speaker 1: It's very sexual. It's like a weird. They're like rolling

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Speaker 1: gonna be Ben? Like I thought, I thought, this is

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Speaker 1: this has Ben here, it comes, here, it comes. And

426
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Speaker 1: then right as she's walking to the door, I came

427
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: up with a whole bunch of other scenarios. I was like,

428
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna totally fake us out and it's gonna be

429
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: like Joejo again, or um, it's gonna be her ex

430
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: husband because there was those it's not been going back.

431
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: It's her ex husband, because she says, uh, like, I

432
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: couldn't be more surprised. I was, who was there? Right? Like?

433
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: She was just stunned. I'm like, Ben doesn't stunned with me.

434
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: Ben seems very obvious, but I guess. Ben hung around

435
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: the resort, continued to you know, stay in the quarantine bubble,

436
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: and it came to Tasia and finally said the words

437
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: that he couldn't say last week. I love you, I'm

438
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: falling in love with you or I'm falling fallen in

439
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: love with you or something like that. And now she's

440
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: very confused at what to do it. See, this is

441
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: this is this is to me, it's obvious what she's

442
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: gonna do, and it's probably what I would have done too.

443
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: But first, Ben, what do you gonna do? Because I

444
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to be so right in this

445
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: that this is like a spoiler. Yeah, you know, you're right.

446
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: You said that you you broke it down well, And

447
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: just to reiterate, I thought it was gonna be her

448
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: ex husband. I thought for sure that was gonna be

449
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: a twist here at the end. We've been rumored to

450
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: it all season. I thought it was going to be

451
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: incredibly inappropriate, really awkward for everybody that wasn't been I

452
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: was not thrilled with it. Well, Ben shows up, which

453
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: been showing up now to me looking back at it

454
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: is probably one of the least surprising things with this season.

455
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: It's even less surprising to me than Bennett showing up.

456
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: Like Ben left in this weird way where it felt

457
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: like there was so much left unsaid. It felt like

458
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: it was a very anti climatic exit where it's like, hey,

459
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: if you really had this song of feelings for him,

460
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: and if you had that sort of feelings for her,

461
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: this exit feels like it's falling short, like there's still

462
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: so much yet to be done here, and so he

463
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: shows up. I'm not shocked now, unlike you, Ashley, I

464
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: have no clue what happens next. Obviously I can assume

465
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: as I could assume he comes back in. It adds

466
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: a little drama to the season, but he's ultimately like

467
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: still let go. That's my assumption, and that she still

468
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: was Zach in the end. That's my thought. Okay, so

469
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: we're different. I think that with Brendan gone, she thinks, Okay,

470
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: I got a limited down to two. I know zax

471
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: Iss Shewing, but I don't think I have it with

472
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: Ivan because I thought it was going to come down

473
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: to Brendan and Zach. And now that Brendan's on here

474
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: to fill in that spot, I'm gonna let Ivan go

475
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: because it's wrong with me to keep him around when

476
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: I just know it's not him, And I'm going to

477
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: bring in Brent and Ben because maybe he's maybe he's

478
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: not number two in my heart, or maybe there's not

479
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: um a comparison to Zach, or maybe there is a

480
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: comparison to Zach. But at least I can explore this

481
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more before making making my final decision.

482
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: And that way, I know at the end of this,

483
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I've exhausted all possible options, and I do think that

484
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: next well tomorrow, I think tomorrow or today whenever you're

485
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: listening to this. The guy that Tassia's dad is going

486
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: to be worried about is going to be a bett

487
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: because he already left and she already had so many

488
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: issues with him. That's a good point. Yeah, that's the

489
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: one that Tastia's dad sits down and says, hey, you're

490
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: making a really bad decision. Like, this is not okay,

491
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: this guy isn't. Really that's a good point. I never

492
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I knew that's a possibility, but

493
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: you just laid it out there and probably how it's

494
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna play out, right, It just seems like that at

495
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: this point. Um. Well, luckily we don't have a lot

496
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: of days to wait, which I'm glad because I don't

497
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: want to wait any longer. We only have about twenty

498
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: four hours uh to wait for this next episode, the

499
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: dramatic finale we see ben Zack and Ivan. This will

500
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: be aired on two day, right, So I don't know

501
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: when you're listening to this, either really late at night

502
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, but the finale will happen. Um now, Actually,

503
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: to kind of close out this episode, talk about what's

504
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: up for the future at this point, it has a

505
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: been announced, but we're assuming there is no after the

506
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: final rows, right, Like this finale will be in How

507
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: weird is that? So we have a little inside knowledge here,

508
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: talk to some of our talk to some of our people, okay,

509
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well, we're definitely have to

510
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: see an interview with her and whoever she picks, right, Like,

511
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: even if it's a zoom thing. I don't care if

512
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: it were zooming from Chris Harrison's house and we're zooming

513
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: from Tatia's house, Like I gotta see her with this guy.

514
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: We gotta see them so many months later together on

515
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: a couch. Apparently we're not getting that, and that makes

516
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: me have all sorts of questions is she single? Now?

517
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: That's where I'm wondering, is what does this mean if

518
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: they're not highlighting this couple, which they do every year

519
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: in dramatic ways, right like this year, there's obviously not

520
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna be the big press and media tour like there

521
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: usually is, where it's like four days of interviews back

522
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: to back to back in New York and l A. Like,

523
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: if we don't have that, and if that's not even

524
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: being planned, what does that mean for where they're at now?

525
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: That's what's weird to me. Not a good sign. I

526
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's a good sign. And I'm maybe we're

527
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: reading too far into it. Maybe it isn't that big

528
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: a deal, but I want to see this couple, Like

529
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I watched this to celebrate this couple. But then I guess,

530
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: like you'd think that they would totally do some sort

531
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: of zoom after the final rows thing if they were

532
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: broken up, because that's even more dramatic. Yeah, put them

533
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: on the same zoom call. Nothing could be I mean,

534
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: zoom gives me anxiety the way it is we're alone

535
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: doing it with an X. Well, hey, we we'll be

536
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: back this week with the breakdown of the finale. We'll

537
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: talk about all these things once again. Um, Ashley, let's

538
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: take a break here. When we come back, we have

539
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: Bachelor headlines to break down. They're gonna be fantastic, they're

540
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna be great and uh and then hey, I'm gonna

541
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: be seeing you in just a few hours right back

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00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: here on our zoom uh for a second episode of

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast this week, which is fantastic. But yeah, hey,

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00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: let's take a break. We come back. We'll break down

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Speaker 1: let's get into these headlines. Uh, there are three that

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Speaker 1: some more tomorrow. Let's start with the obvious one. Drum

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Speaker 1: roll ben right. Bachelor's are lindyke Jr. And Lauren Burnham

580
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: reveals their pregnant with baby number two. Now here's the thing,

581
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: not just baby number two, baby number two and three. Girl. Yeah,

582
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this headline has now changed. It's

583
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: hot off the press. I mean, this is crazy. They

584
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: are having twins now, if you remember, right, Uh, just

585
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: a few short months ago, are in Lauren were public

586
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: and discussed that they had a miscarriage. And so this

587
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: is not only something that they're celebrating, but there's something

588
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: that there's like this added gratefulness for because they're now

589
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: being blessed with two children. Yep. They we don't know

590
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: the sex yet, but Lauren has said that she's been

591
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: crying on and off for the past three months. She's

592
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: so grateful. There was in the picture that the post

593
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: on Instagram today of the twins us a sonogram showing

594
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: the baby number one the baby number two. So we're

595
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: really really happy for them. I'm going to just make

596
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: a wager. I think they're twin girls. I think that

597
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: they're going to have a family with three girls. She

598
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: seems like a girl dad to me, a girl dad. Well, hey,

599
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: we'll pump for them, celebrating them. I still remember very

600
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: first and depth was with Ari and Lauren, and it

601
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: was at that point in time that afterwards they didn't

602
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: get to say on the podcast, even though we did

603
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: a later episode or later recording, but that they were

604
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: pregnant with their very first So I feel like you

605
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: and I are just like super involved in their relationship

606
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: a better long since the beginning. I'm really happy for

607
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Speaker 1: their for this couple, and congratulations that to with then

608
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: on being pregnant with twins. Now, actually, this next headline

609
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Speaker 1: is one that I need your insight into. My God,

610
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: everybody's been buzzing, buzzing, and and you know she meant

611
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: to do this, and hey, good for her, Like this

612
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: is a very like good way to get some buzz.

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00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's fair and it's funny and it's

614
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: it's keeping me intrigued. But I don't know where this

615
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: rumor came from, and I need you to tell me. So.

616
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: Andy Dorfman denies bachelorette Bennett Jordan's is her mystery man

617
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: while vacationing in Cabo This according to US Weekly, What

618
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: is this all about? Okay, so last week Andy posted

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Speaker 1: a picture of herself bikini clad and in between the

620
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: legs of a man. Okay, so it was from the

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Speaker 1: angle of the guy taking the picture and his legs

622
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: were in there. I'm sure you guys have seen it.

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Speaker 1: Then she deletes the picture and zooms more into herself,

624
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: so the legs are cropped out. But like of course,

625
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: there were screenshots. And I don't know if Andy thought

626
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: she was going to get away with it or is

627
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: this like a really good way to you know, create

628
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Speaker 1: a buzz, to use the word again. So when she

629
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Speaker 1: when she posted the picture again, she she acknowledges that

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Speaker 1: she deleted the other one and that she cropped this

631
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Speaker 1: because she goes now, I look topless, l O L

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Speaker 1: hashtag out of the office, hashtag cropped all right, all right,

633
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Speaker 1: So immediately fans start speculating who the mystery man is

634
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Speaker 1: all the message boards, which I totally creeved on. We're

635
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: comparing legs and feet two possible lovers. Okay, Bennett was

636
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: one of the guys that was up there. People were

637
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: comparing the feet. Nick was up there. Michael Garafola was

638
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: a big, a big suspect here. But I think all

639
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: those guys are rolled out in the it seems like

640
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: the most confirmed suspect. It seems to be an ex

641
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: boyfriend of hers. Not not a I don't know if

642
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: he's a famous one. He may be an athlete, but

643
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: it's not a bachelor lum. But we have to assume.

644
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Andy Dorfman is typically I want to say,

645
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: private about her relationships. Haus She she wrote some books

646
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: on this, but she doesn't come out very often about

647
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: dating or who she's dating and that kind of thing.

648
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: She is. She is a little bit close to the the

649
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: chess when it comes to dating. And so for her

650
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: to post this picture knowing that like stuff was gonna

651
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: start swirling, does she I would assume she's in a

652
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: place where she feels this relationship is in a pretty

653
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: good place, like This isn't like a new fling. I

654
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: would assume so, because I don't think she's done this

655
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: since she broke up with Josh Man. Has she been

656
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: public with anyone since then? I don't. I can't picture.

657
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think so. I don't think on

658
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: her own Instagram. So this is a big deal. Well,

659
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to watch the story, update you

660
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: as we go. Who knows who knows who it is?

661
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: The next story is one, Actually, I think you're gonna

662
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: be able to talk about pretty easily because it's about you.

663
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: The headline reads, Bachelor Paradise is Ashley and Eddie and

664
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Jared Hayman rewatch their cringe e first kiss. This according

665
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: to People magazine. Stop now, this is a headline. That's ridiculous.

666
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe people were an article about that. I

667
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: had no idea until I'm looking at it right now.

668
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: What's what's this about? Ashley? That's what we did. Uh.

669
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: We watched our first kiss. We videotaped it. Thought i'd

670
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: be some funny Instagram content, and man, that scene gets

671
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: cringing and cringeer at time. I'm telling you, when I

672
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: first watched it back, I was like Oh my god,

673
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: why did I bring up Caitlin? Oh my gosh, why

674
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: did I say oh okay as he leaned in. But

675
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: now it's like I can't believe myself. I can't believe

676
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: no longer and I am at least a kiss, like

677
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: the physical kiss itself isn't awkward, and that's what I

678
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: was proud of. That's one of my favorite things about you.

679
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: I love many things about you, and obviously love Jared,

680
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: but one of my favorite things about you is that

681
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: you fully admit your awkwardness. I mean, you've gotten less

682
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: awkward I feel like over the last like four years

683
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: or so, but like when you're in there like trying

684
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: to figure out what in the world your dating life

685
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: was going to look like, there are a lot of

686
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: awkward stories, moments, interactions, especially when we got to watch

687
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: you on these shows, and like that's what just makes

688
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: people love you even more because you you did bring

689
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: up an ex girlfriend like during this first kiss, Like

690
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: that's brutal, Ashley, Like you can't do that, horrifect what

691
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like absolutely no filter. Oh I don't know,

692
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: and like I didn't I thought I was being funny

693
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: at the time. No, Now watching it back, I can

694
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: tell how affected Jared was by it because you know,

695
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: those those feelings were still lingering. What was like thinking, well,

696
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: and like, if you know Jared at all, Jared is

697
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: a very loyal man. Uh and he is I mean

698
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: you can phrases better than I can, but he is

699
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: a little bit jealous, like he's jealous for you, Like

700
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't love he doesn't love the conversations about his exes.

701
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't love you talking about you know, your ex

702
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: is like so now you know if this man is

703
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: sitting there going, hey, I really like this girl and

704
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: like I want to here, and then you bring up

705
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the one thing that he's still sensitive of today, like

706
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure that affected him pretty deeply. Well, you know

707
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: what's funny is Jared also loves like really like sexy

708
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: romantic moments. During those those moments of intimacy, he does

709
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: not like um like jokes are awkwardness because like he

710
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: gets into like real like movie star mode, and you

711
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: can tell like he just wants to be like really

712
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: romantic in the moment. He doesn't really crave any like

713
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: awkward giggles that can be endearing, but no, no, no,

714
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: like he's not about those moments being endearing, like they

715
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: should just be sexy, and I totally wiped out that

716
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: that's sexy vibe by saying basically everything that I said

717
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: in that moment afterward. So good, well, hey, it's fun

718
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: to watch back. I'm glad you guys just did. Next

719
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: headline is one actually that I want you to break

720
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: down for us. Rachel Lindsay. This is the headline. It reads,

721
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay doesn't want Ben Smith to be the next

722
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: BA and the reason is in this according to Refinery. Okay,

723
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: so I sort of kind of agree with her. Okay,

724
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: is that I don't know. I read her quotes and

725
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: then I may just say did though she goes, Ben

726
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: did just enough to stay by. He reminds me of

727
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: Peter Krause. He reminds me of him in the way

728
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: that he gives you just enough. But if you really

729
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: break it down to what he's saying, it doesn't match up.

730
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't believe you, like I'm into you,

731
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I like you, I feel it, but there's something that

732
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: I can't explain. It's not adding up here. Okay, Yeah,

733
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: so I do I agree with her. That's I just

734
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: felt like something was missing with Ben. There was always

735
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: something lingering where I was like, I need to find

736
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: the last piece of the puzzle. But I can't find

737
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: the last piece of the puzzle. Where is it? Is

738
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: it under the table, is it in the couch? I

739
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't find it. She also continues to

740
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: say Ben one thousand percent wants to be the Bachelor.

741
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: I beg producers, lease, don't do it. We've been here

742
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: before with the person who is so desperate to be

743
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: the lead. It never works out. I don't know who's

744
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: you're referring to. There is you're referring to Peter. I

745
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: still think Peter wil Be a fantastic bachelor, okay. Um.

746
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: Moving on continuing the quote, she says, when they wanted

747
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: so badly, when they've been planning it, calculating, making certain

748
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: moves to get that point, then you give it to

749
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: them and it always messes up. There are so many

750
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: great men from Clarentatious season. Don't pick him. I don't

751
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: want to see it. Okay, So that sounds like she's

752
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: referring to Coton. Yeah, I was gonna say, because I

753
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: don't think she's been made it a secret that she

754
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: thought that, you know, Colton planning, trying doing what he

755
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: could to become the Bachelor was wrong, and I don't

756
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: think you and I would disagree with that. I don't

757
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: think anybody going out to going on this show to

758
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: pursue being the Bachelor is ever a good decision for

759
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: anybody involved. She obviously those getting the same vibes about Ben,

760
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: which has been Bachelination's but his biggest teak of him.

761
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've invested themselves into his story. He's

762
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: been vulnerable about his story, what he's been through, what

763
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: he's overcome. However, there's also these moments like we saw

764
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: when he left, where he wants to say the right thing,

765
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and he only wants to say the right thing, and

766
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: then when he can't say it because it's not exactly

767
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: like where he's at, for example, when he couldn't say

768
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: I love you, then we see a different side where

769
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: things don't add up because he can sit there the

770
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: whole season and talk about how into this he is,

771
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: how perfect this whole thing is. And then when the

772
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: when he actually has to start being real, and this

773
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: actually has long term consequences that are really good. I think,

774
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: like being in a relationship, then he kind of froze.

775
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: And so I don't disagree with Rachel Um however, I do.

776
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I will say that my opinion of this moment and

777
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: probably hers as well, could completely change after the finaley,

778
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Like if he comes back to say, hey, if he

779
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: comes back have to say, you know what, I'm in

780
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: this for you, I love you, I want to be

781
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: here for you. Well, then like the whole hey he's

782
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: doing this to be the Bachelor thing, I think would

783
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: probably be defeated. I think we'd have to look past it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

784
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: because I think we have to actually have to look

785
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: past it right now. Okay, you know I because it's

786
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: too close to the finale. It seems like he wants

787
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: to be with Tatian more than he wants to be

788
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the Bachelor at this point. Yeah. And I and here

789
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: I agree with when I say that I agree with her,

790
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: I agree with her like with her senses about Ben.

791
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree that he's like he's trying to

792
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: be the Bachelor. I don't you know with those quotes,

793
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm like a little there, a little there. Well, and

794
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: we also have to understand this actually something we haven't

795
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: brought up, which is the dynamic that it really hasn't

796
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: ever been done before, Like, these guys are going to

797
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: be the next Bachelor. Matt James is the next Bachelor.

798
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: So like, if they're doing this to be the next Bachelor,

799
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: they went into this knowing that Matt James has already

800
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: been chosen. Like, yes, they could go back and pull

801
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: from a past season that's happened. It's not incredibly common,

802
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: but it's happened. It's not like the typical way that

803
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: this goes. But we're gonna have a whole new group

804
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: of men and just you know, a year on a

805
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Bachelorette season, and if one of those dudes really stands

806
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: out to us, he'll be the next Bachelor because right now,

807
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: Matt James season is already done. Yeah, I think they're

808
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: great guys in this season, but I probably'll probably choose

809
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: somebody fresher from whoever the next Bachelorrette is. And it's

810
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: weird that that Bachelorrette season is going to start filming

811
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: in March. It is wild so well, um final headline

812
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: is one that I think Bachelor Nation is just pumped for.

813
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: And if you don't know this man, he was just

814
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: before the social media craze, so like he didn't get

815
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: the following that a lot of people thought he'd deserved. Um,

816
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: but bachel Nations Marquelle Martin is engaged to carry Kaisner.

817
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: This is the biggest blessing in my life that, according

818
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: to Marquelle, like Marquet was a fan favorite, people loved him.

819
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: He was on Andy Dorfman's season. Um, super happy moment.

820
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: The pictures are incredible. If you haven't seen the Cookie Man,

821
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: if you guys remember he loved cookies and he ate

822
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: cookies with with with Andy a lot. Yeah, it was

823
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: a big deal. And so here's the thing that we

824
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: can do right because he was before the Bachelor Nation

825
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: really had a huge following on social media. If you're

826
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: out there listening, go to Mark hil Martin's pit page

827
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: and give him some love, like showing that he's still

828
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: a part of this. He's a great dude. People love him.

829
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: They loved him on the show, they love him after

830
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: the show. So hey, he's engaged. We're celebrating it here

831
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: at the Almost Famous podcast. Well, Ashley, as we said,

832
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: we'll be back in just a few short hours talking

833
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: again about the finale of this season. It's gonna be

834
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: a finale that I'm super pumped for. I really am excited.

835
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: I'll be tuning in with my popcorn, probably a glass

836
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: of bourbon. I do have to hit the road though. Here.

837
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Listen to this. UM, I have a charity event tonight.

838
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it a charity event because that just

839
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: makes me feel a little bit better about myself. But

840
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: here's the truth of it. UM, I am going to

841
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: play golf in a COVID friendly golf simulator, so it's

842
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: like a socially distant charity event against Jake Owen, Darius Rucker,

843
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: and Shane Mooney. Right now. So I've got a cool,

844
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: so cool, so fun. All right, we'll have a great time.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you tomorrow. Can't wait until then. I've

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Speaker 1: been Ashley and I've been Ben. We'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on

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