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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace an Epstein bombshell. A shadowy

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Speaker 1: figure dressed as an inmate. It spotted climbing the stairs

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Speaker 1: to Epstein's cell. What and we're just getting eleven new

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Speaker 1: hours of video? Where's that video been all this time?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: They've admitted there's thousands of thousands of pages.

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Speaker 1: Who came to his place, who flew on his plane,

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Speaker 1: who went on the Lolita Express, who went to his

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Speaker 1: private island where girls who are molested? Something stinks. I

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Speaker 1: want justice. It's been described as a mystery orange blob,

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Speaker 1: but that is not entirely true. Let's take a look

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Speaker 1: at a clip we got from the video that has

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Speaker 1: just been released. You have to look in the original copy.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to but it is an elongated

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Speaker 1: orange figure. It's not as they're trying to tell us

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Speaker 1: somebody carrying laundry that had that. That's much better. That's

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Speaker 1: much better. These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've been told the guards were asleep and one was

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Speaker 1: shopping online when he was killed. We've been told the

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Speaker 1: two doors we've seen over and over and over the

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Speaker 1: only way to get onto his cell tier. That is

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Speaker 1: a lie. See those two doors, total bs. Those are

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Speaker 1: not the only two ways to get in and out

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Speaker 1: of that tier. Now, we also were told that there's

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Speaker 1: a problem with the CCTV that you can't see Epstein sell. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: everything we're being fed is poison. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: The public was already skeptical of the DJ's The footage

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Speaker 3: from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly shows

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Speaker 3: Epstein is the only person who entered his sub block

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Speaker 3: the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob climbing

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Speaker 3: the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust. In

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Speaker 3: their review, the Inspector General says the movement on the

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Speaker 3: staircase around ten forty pm is co Jovian Noel carrying

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Speaker 3: inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis

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Speaker 3: experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,

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Speaker 3: not carrying orange material.

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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we are learning tonight. But I can tell you

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Speaker 1: this having been in innumerable CI's correctional institutes jails halfway houses, GV, jails,

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Speaker 1: you name it. I've been in it, Max Hardcore death Row,

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Speaker 1: been there. No body walks the halls and CI with

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Speaker 1: their hands full of law laundry. That doesn't happen. Your

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Speaker 1: hands have to be free. If someone were transporting laundry,

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Speaker 1: it would have been in a rollerbin. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, we're going to show you in a moment

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Speaker 1: a worker coming out with a rollerbin. But see down there,

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Speaker 1: hands free? Everybody hands free. And first of all, before

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Speaker 1: I go to our investigative report, I want to go

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Speaker 1: to doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate warden at MBC and Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: former Senior warden USDJ Department of Justice with the Federal

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons. It goes on and on, founder President

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Speaker 1: New Daylight Foundation and author up see the wheelie, That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. She has her hands free, and

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Speaker 1: everything she wants to carry, she's got it on a

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Speaker 1: workman's apron around her waist. That's sp author of who

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Speaker 1: are you see it? Say it sees it? Doctor Hendrix.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in a CI, especially one that

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Speaker 1: houses dangerous inmates like this one, nobody is walking around

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Speaker 1: with an armload of laundry. That does here's another guy say,

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Speaker 1: hands free, what about it? Hendricks, Yes, that is true.

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Speaker 4: All laundry is carried on a cart and if they're

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Speaker 4: inmate workers or there's normally orderly on each unit, even

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Speaker 4: if it's special housing. Typically it's an inmate who isn't

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Speaker 4: typically they will have laundry on the car and the inmate,

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Speaker 4: the staff will open the slots and the inmate will

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Speaker 4: So there's so it has to be exchange for dirty

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Speaker 4: laundry exchanges are normally happened during business hours. Sometimes they

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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna flip when I tell you this, doctor Hendrix.

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Speaker 1: According to the wardens on the floor, of course, one

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Speaker 1: showers to make a private phone call, and I guarantee

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Speaker 5: No, first of all, he should have had a restroom, toilet,

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Speaker 5: I don't see why that that phone call would have.

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Speaker 4: Happened, because typically it makes a special housing other than

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Speaker 1: Days joining us an all star panel, and we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot to get through tonight. Number one his HNCH person,

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Speaker 1: who is a convicted child molester. She just didn't arrange

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Speaker 1: Epstein to get his mits on these twelve thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old little girls. She took part in the molestation. She's

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Speaker 1: a monster. Gleae Maxwell. She just got moved to a

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Speaker 1: cushriy basically camp, a camp there are no perimeters, they

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Speaker 1: have yoga, they walk freely. It's the cushiest club fed.

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Speaker 1: This is what you look up club fed in the dictionary.

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Speaker 1: It's this place. She's been moved there. Why is she

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Speaker 1: getting special treatment? What's happening with her? I don't like it,

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Speaker 1: That's one thing, But right now I'm more concerned about

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Speaker 1: who is the per walking up and down the cell

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Speaker 1: steps to Epstein's tier the night he was killed. It

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Speaker 1: was at I said earlier, almost eleven. It was ten

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Speaker 1: thirty nine pm. And you're so right Handricks, that is

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Speaker 1: not the time that laundry is exchanged or taken to

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Speaker 1: the prison laundry. Okay, what do we know? Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Tisa Tails joining US investigative reporter. She's at Tisa

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Speaker 1: Talls on YouTube. Tisa hit me the.

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Speaker 6: Fact that we are looking one a highly edited tape.

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Speaker 6: They released eleven hours. They said there was a minute

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Speaker 6: the skip. We now know that there's about eight minutes

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Speaker 1: There's not even the full It's ten hours, fifty two minutes.

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Speaker 6: We clearly see a shadowy orange figure and they won

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Speaker 6: us out in a did in a pulse didy trial

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Speaker 6: world to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack

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Speaker 6: of orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying

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Speaker 1: Us to believe that that's not a human.

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Speaker 6: The fact that the administration listen, who knows why they

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Speaker 1: But we see it for what it is. That is

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Speaker 1: it again. She's right, T said my words exactly should

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Speaker 1: I believe you are my lion eyes? I see what

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Speaker 1: agrees this is not anybody carrying laundry. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to what we know about Epstein's death?

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Speaker 1: What do we know? Joining me? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Author, Blood Beneath My Feet, start of

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Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott has attended over one thousand death sayings, death stains

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Speaker 1: of all varieties, be it accidental, natural cause, or homicide.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott does it never end? Okay? I see what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing. I'm running it right here in front of me,

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Speaker 1: the person clad in orange. Is it an inmate in orange?

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Speaker 1: Why isn't he already in his cell? Why is he

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Speaker 1: by whom, Why is he wandering around from tier to

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Speaker 1: this someone wearing inmate's clothes, which is even more disturbing.

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Speaker 1: But I do know it is a human. I believe

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Speaker 1: it is a male because they're tall, and they're wearing

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Speaker 1: the prison orange jumpsuit, and they're going to Jeffrey Epstein's

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Speaker 1: tier the night he's murdered. Why are you, like me,

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Speaker 1: so convinced Epstein was murdered And what does this mystery

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, first off, I think it would be

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Speaker 7: an outlier relative to the injuries related to his death.

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Speaker 7: They're trying to call this a suicide, and the problem

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Speaker 7: you've got this indwelling fractured cartilage in his neck. And

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Speaker 7: it's on both sides, Nancy, right here to the left

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Speaker 7: top of that, you've got this fractured hyoid, which everybody

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Speaker 8: He was hung.

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Speaker 7: And one more thing we have to keep in mind.

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Speaker 7: Theme in this case has stated that this is what's

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Speaker 7: that the highwaid snap. Now she explains this by saying

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Speaker 7: the point where it's snap. Well maybe that's the case,

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Speaker 7: but you still cannot account for these cartilagianus fractures he

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Speaker 1: This is more.

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Speaker 7: Consistent with a manual strangulation or or with a ligature

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Speaker 1: I was just about to disagree with you because this

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Speaker 1: this is not manual. Joe Scott, Now I see in

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Speaker 1: digging in. No, I think that's the ligature from behind.

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Speaker 1: But the front shot that is not by hand, right.

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Speaker 7: Can you keep this up here for just a quick set, Nancy,

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Speaker 7: So you see this, it's very very very deep. Do

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Speaker 7: like I think people would say, gee, that looks like

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Speaker 7: a scap. Well, that is actually a furrow abrasion. That's

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Speaker 7: what it's referred to. And it's very very deep. This

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Speaker 7: does not marry up with all of that dirty cloth

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Speaker 7: of that's what would be termed as like a readjustment mark,

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Speaker 7: do we have a couple of things going on here?

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Speaker 7: Is it plausible that you could not only have a

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was a lot of words. And the only

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Speaker 1: Scott, listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, We're going to get rid

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Speaker 1: of the files. There's war over the Epstein files, and

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Speaker 10: It is absolutely ludicrous for Pam Bondi to say that

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Speaker 10: there is nothing to investigate. Four thousand wire transfers is

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Speaker 1: Sometimes don't even know what to say, So this is

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Speaker 1: I hardly know where to start. But having worked at

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Speaker 1: the DOJ is calling for an investigation. So Shipley, this

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Speaker 1: you think you use that noodle? Shipley. Epstein had lowly

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Speaker 1: He had a mansion in Palm Beach. He had digs

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Speaker 8: Tell me, Shipley, it's astounding to hear that and understand

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Speaker 8: And we know that you know what's been going on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what I thought you were going to say, Shipley,

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Speaker 8: Well, I can't, and I'm surprised that they haven't been

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Speaker 8: traced all those wire transfers to find out who's behind them,

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Speaker 1: I guess you've heard the phrase follow the money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, let me go out to doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: You know what I don't like. I don't like a

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Speaker 1: He had a first edition wait for it, of Lolita.

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Speaker 1: Oh surprised Nebokhov about an old guy obsessed with and

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Speaker 11: Bethany, Nancy, have you ever heard the term behind every

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Speaker 11: we are not money launders. And yet you have somebody

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Speaker 11: like Jeffrey Epstein who has billions of dollars going in

432
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 11: and out of his account and everybody turns a blind eye.

433
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Speaker 11: That means that everybody's benefiting in some way.

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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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Speaker 11: Either they're benefiting because they have access to underage girls.

436
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 11: They're benefiting because they can launder money too, or they're

437
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 11: benefiting just because they get these dinners and private rides

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Speaker 11: to the island.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like.

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 11: Paying for friends, insinuating your friends into your secrets knowing

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Speaker 11: more about them. Pretty soon you have a band of

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Speaker 11: thieves with everybody standing up for each other. A quick analogy, Nancy,

443
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 11: is you know those spy movies where the I is

444
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 11: a double spy and decides to extricate himself. He's on

445
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 11: the run, but everywhere he looks there's an enemy. Because

446
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 11: he knows too much. Everybody wants him dead. All those

447
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 11: so called people he was working for in the past

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00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 11: now need him gone because he's holding all of their secrets.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of think.

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Speaker 11: That that's what's happening right now that our current administration

451
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 11: is saying, look the other way, look the other way,

452
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Speaker 11: don't think about what's really happening.

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Speaker 1: What's really happening is there are probably.

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Speaker 11: Hundreds of people who needed Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw joining me, she has a very special voice today.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed to ending sex

457
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Speaker 1: trafficking of women and girls, she's the host of Lynnz

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Speaker 1: Warriors on YouTube. Lee When I think about let's just

459
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Speaker 1: go with Virginia's your friv but there's so many. There's

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Speaker 1: literally thousands of girls over decades that he write put

461
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Speaker 1: telling you like it is. Angal Maxwell is a monster.

462
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Speaker 1: She didn't just leave the girls in there and make

463
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Speaker 1: it seem okay that they were about to get raped.

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Speaker 1: She took part in them lest stations and now she's

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Speaker 1: at Club fed. I don't know what happened at Lolita

466
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Speaker 1: Island down in the US Virgin Islands. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened, but I wasn't there, but based on what

468
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Speaker 1: the victims say, it was awful. And now we've got

469
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Speaker 1: him with billions of dollars and we're counting on the

470
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Speaker 1: wealthy and politically powerful to release those files bring it

471
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Speaker 1: home in what is this really about?

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Speaker 12: Nancy? I have given this so much thought, knowing victims,

473
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Speaker 12: working with victims of Glen's and Jeffrey Epstein's, and you

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Speaker 12: know what I'm going to say, and I'm going to

475
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Speaker 12: let everybody else figure it out, top down, top down.

476
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Speaker 12: We have so many unanswered questions. Should you talk about

477
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Speaker 12: a two tier justice system? What about the victims out

478
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Speaker 12: there on top of this dirty ditty case we got this,

479
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Speaker 12: Why did Pam Bondy even open her mouth and start

480
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Speaker 12: with those binders that she said she went to FedEx

481
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 12: and created them herself, and she made influencers hold them

482
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Speaker 12: up and opened the can of worms. And now it's

483
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Speaker 12: one lie after the other. But let's get back to

484
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Speaker 12: that justice system. We've got all these victims. I always

485
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Speaker 12: heard being here in New York City, Jeffrey Epstein was

486
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Speaker 12: a sex trafficking operation of children. Do I have proof?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 12: That is what I heard on the street. And you

489
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Speaker 12: know what, when you blackmail people with children, that's where

490
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Speaker 12: you make a lot of money worldwide. And you showed

491
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Speaker 12: an image earlier and I saw it. I was looking

492
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Speaker 12: something up earlier. He had crates that were labeled child porn,

493
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Speaker 12: kitty porn, young and younger. Where are all those tapes?

494
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Speaker 12: We never really heard much about them at all. We

495
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 12: always heard that in France that was a total child

496
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Speaker 12: sex trafing operation of eleven, twelve and thirteen year old girls.

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Speaker 12: So I ask you all this information. Now we've got

498
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Speaker 12: the administration telling us look the other way. We've got

499
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Speaker 12: orange blobs, we got a guy who looks like you know,

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Speaker 12: he supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels. Please, and

501
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 12: you know what about these victims, Let's keep going back

502
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 12: to that. They're watching all of this and again on

503
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 12: top of Diddy. This is why they never come forward.

504
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 12: This is why we have such a hard time in

505
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 12: the court system, because they're not believed, they're dismissed, and

506
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 12: all the focus is put on these monsters like Gallaine,

507
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 12: who is a predator, a monster, and now she gets

508
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 12: to run around with Elizabeth Holmes from Thoroughnos and jog

509
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Speaker 12: and lift weights. I don't understand any of this, but

510
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 12: I do understand we have so many girls and victims

511
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Speaker 12: looking at this, crying their eyes out, begging me what

512
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Speaker 12: is going on?

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Speaker 1: LNN. Speaking of Pam Bondie, listen to what she once

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Speaker 1: promised us. This is from our friends at Fox News.

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Speaker 13: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot

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Speaker 13: of flight logs, a lot of names. It's a lot

517
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Speaker 13: of information, but pretty sick what that man did. A

518
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Speaker 13: source had told me where the documents were being kept,

519
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Speaker 13: Southern District of New York.

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Speaker 1: Shock.

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Speaker 13: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them

522
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Speaker 13: Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents. I

523
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Speaker 13: have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going

524
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Speaker 13: to get us a detailed report as to why the

525
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Speaker 13: FBI withheld all of those documents.

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Speaker 1: Joining us right now is a very special guest. It

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Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. Mark, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 14: Welcome, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mark, I know that people are using you

531
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Speaker 1: like a crystal ball to try to see into the

532
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Speaker 1: mind of your brother, Jeffrey Epstein. What I want to

533
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: talk to you about is that orange clad figure that

534
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: is now appearing on video and people are seeing it

535
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Speaker 1: for the first time, which is concerned and not in

536
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Speaker 1: a good way that we're just now seeing video which

537
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Speaker 1: looks like someone walking up and down a stairwell, coming

538
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Speaker 1: out of a stairwell and walking around on your brother's floor.

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00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Now we've been told, oh, maybe it's somebody carrying laundry. Well,

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Speaker 1: can I tell you just off the bat, Mark Epstein.

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Speaker 1: After having been in many, many correctional institutes and jails

542
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: and juv jails, you name it, I've been in it.

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Speaker 1: No one walks around without their hands free. Okay, It's

544
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Speaker 1: not like I'm carrying the dirty clothes from the back

545
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Speaker 1: of the house to the launder room in the front

546
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Speaker 1: of the house with my arms full. No in a CI, Mark,

547
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Speaker 1: if dirty clothes were being transported, they would be in

548
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Speaker 1: a pushhamper with wheels. No one walks around their arms

549
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: full of stuff. If you let's just let's just use

550
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Speaker 1: the movies as an example, something that everyone would have seen.

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Speaker 1: You don't see Warden's walking the halls of a max

552
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Speaker 1: CI or any CI with their hands full. Their hands

553
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: are free because you never know when you're going to

554
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: be attacked or you have to break up a fight

555
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: between inmates. You don't know what's going to happen. So

556
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: that is not anybody carrying a load of laundry up

557
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: and down steps.

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Speaker 14: Mark, Well, there's a lot of things on that video

559
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 14: that don't make sense. In the early part of the video,

560
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Speaker 14: they said that they saw Jeffrey, you know, being walked

561
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Speaker 14: into his cell. First of all, you can't tell if

562
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Speaker 14: that's Jeffrey or not. You can't tell who it is.

563
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Speaker 14: And you don't just walk into Jeffrey's shell off of

564
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Speaker 14: that common area. You have to go up that staircase

565
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Speaker 14: through a barred, locked door and then into the cell.

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Speaker 14: He was the first sell on the right hand side

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Speaker 14: of the tier, so you don't just casually walk into

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Speaker 14: his cell. And you know, said before, every time the

569
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Speaker 14: government tries to squash this thing, they just get deeper

570
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Speaker 14: into a hole with misinformation. People have viewed the videotape

571
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Speaker 14: and they've seen it's been edited, and it's been dopted,

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Speaker 14: and it's split from a couple of different feeds. So yeah,

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Speaker 14: you know, how do you trust this? You can't, you know,

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Speaker 14: And with the thing with the video too early on,

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Speaker 14: Bill Barr said that, you know, he saw the videotape

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Speaker 14: and he saw that nobody went in or out of

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Speaker 14: the tier, and that convinced him that it was a suicide.

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Speaker 14: I've pointed out before how ridiculous that is, because there

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Speaker 14: were about a dozen other inmates on that tier that

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Speaker 14: theoretically could have killed somebody without having to come and

581
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Speaker 14: go from the tier. So to completely ignore that fact

582
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Speaker 14: and to come to the conclusion that of the suicide.

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Speaker 14: And now when you add in the fact that the

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Speaker 14: video does not show the door to the tier, and

585
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Speaker 14: people can get to the door to the tier, go

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Speaker 14: and come without being caught on camera. So I don't

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Speaker 14: know what footage Bill Barr was referring to. If this

588
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Speaker 14: is if this is the only video available, you know,

589
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Speaker 14: maybe he wants to reconsider his conclusion, because to me,

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Speaker 14: he looks foolish to come to that conclusion with the

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Speaker 14: fact that you can see the door to the tear

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Speaker 14: and there were other people, possible, possibly that could have

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Speaker 14: done this. This was not looked at as a homicide

594
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Speaker 14: investigation by them calling it a suicide very early on.

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Speaker 14: It eliminates any further investigating because if it's a suicide,

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Speaker 14: there's not much to investigate. But it was never investigated

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Speaker 14: as a homicide, and people starting to ask for that.

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Speaker 14: So I was working with a group of people that

599
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Speaker 14: were trying to investigate this, and they were using the

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Speaker 14: assistance of AI, and they put in like all the

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Speaker 14: information that we have, or a lot of the information

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Speaker 14: that we have, and the AI came up with a

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Speaker 14: probability that this was seventy five percent chance of a

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Speaker 14: homicide and only twenty five percent chance of a suicide.

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Speaker 14: One of the reasons that couldn't be more specific is

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Speaker 14: we don't have, you know, pictures of hell his body

607
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 14: was found, you know, they moved his body if he

608
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Speaker 14: was found, which they shouldn't have done, so there's no

609
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Speaker 14: sort of crime scene was messed up. And also the

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Speaker 14: fact that the situation with the three broken bones in

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00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 14: Jeffrey's neck turns out that kind of fipball breakage only

612
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Speaker 14: occurs in less than two percent of hanging of this

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Speaker 14: alleged type. So the AI put all the origin together

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Speaker 14: and came up with seventy five percent chance of homicide

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Speaker 14: and twenty five percent chance of suicide.

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Speaker 1: Experts now questioning the government's account of what happened the

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Speaker 1: night that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and this as new

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Speaker 1: CCT footage has been uncovered with a mystery orange figure

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Speaker 1: near his cell just hours before he dies. Now, why

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Speaker 1: are eleven hours of video from outside his cell at

621
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Speaker 1: Metropolitan Correctional Center just now being released. This so called

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Speaker 1: mystery blob in orange is not someone carrying laundry. That's

623
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Speaker 1: not true. Okay, I've been in enough SIS to note

624
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Speaker 1: that's not true. When I would go in a CIO

625
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: would be totally hands free. If I can add something, yes,

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Speaker 1: please do.

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Speaker 14: If I can it. I would like to see the

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Speaker 14: continuation of that video and to try to see what

629
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Speaker 14: the situation was when they took Jeffrey's body off of

630
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Speaker 14: that to you you know who was there, what condition

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Speaker 14: he was saying, if you could see it. Well, there's

632
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Speaker 14: also another camera that was working that they're not releasing

633
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Speaker 14: video footage from it, or if they ever will. So

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Speaker 14: where's the footage from that second camera that was recording.

635
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Speaker 14: I'd like to see that.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's another thing Mark we were led to believe

637
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Speaker 1: at the beginning, these two doors were showing right now

638
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Speaker 1: were the only ways to get in. And now see

639
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: this woman right there, She's got a pushcart on wheels.

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Speaker 1: She's got everything else wrapped around her like you know,

641
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Speaker 1: a mason would have an apron, or construction worker would

642
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: have an apron around his or her waist. Where she

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00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: puts all our stuff hands free. I can't stress it

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Speaker 1: enough for safety. So to suggest this is somebody carrying

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Speaker 1: laundry is total bs. Now what I was saying before,

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Speaker 1: these two doors we were led to believe were the

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Speaker 1: entries and exits to Epstein's Tier No. Newly released and

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Speaker 1: only partially see He's Hands Free to partially released video

649
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Speaker 1: shows us that there were other entrances and exits, at

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Speaker 1: least one that's a shock to the system.

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Speaker 14: Mark, Yes, it was, But I'm not surprising because so

652
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Speaker 14: much of the other stuff the government's putting out is

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Speaker 14: it turns out to be not. So let's put it

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Speaker 14: that way.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we just call it what it is. It's lies.

656
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: It's lies. They are lies. And when there's a lie,

657
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Speaker 1: you know, even no matter how bad it is, say,

658
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Speaker 1: the two guards really did fall asleep, really were shopping

659
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Speaker 1: online at the exact time your brother was killed, which

660
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Speaker 1: is very far fetched, very far fetched. Indeed, even if

661
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Speaker 1: one of the cameras wasn't working, you know a lot

662
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Speaker 1: of coincidences, don't lie about it. So why are they

663
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Speaker 1: lying about this? That tells me that something sinister or

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Speaker 1: nefarious is happening if you have to lie about it, Mark.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, Also what's happening is that more and more

666
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Speaker 14: people who look at all the information that we have

667
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Speaker 14: and not just listen to what the government says, nobody

668
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Speaker 14: comes to the conclusion that this was a suicide. So

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Speaker 14: now you have to look at it as a potential homicide.

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Speaker 14: And one of the things that a homicide investigator would

671
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Speaker 14: look at was who did it and why, So you

672
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Speaker 14: have to look at now, who might have possibly been

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Speaker 14: able to pull off this kind of thing, to coordinate

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Speaker 14: this murder in a federal prison. And that's what people

675
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Speaker 14: should start asking about, is you know, since it's not

676
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Speaker 14: clearly not a suicide, who did this? N why? That's

677
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Speaker 14: that's what how much I investigated would look at. And

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Speaker 14: that's what sud I'd like to see them real opening.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely And in this eleven hour clip, which is already

680
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Speaker 1: facing claims of being doctored, you clearly see a shadowy

681
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Speaker 1: orange figure moving up the stairs to Epstein's cell block,

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Speaker 1: and this is timed at ten forty pm, the night

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Speaker 1: before he was found dead. Shortly after, again, federal investigators

684
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Speaker 1: are lying claiming that a COEO corrections officer was carrying

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Speaker 1: linen or inmate clothing. No that no, it is actually

686
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Speaker 1: another inmate dressed in orange, or someone else dressed as

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Speaker 1: an inmate in orange. Okay, I'm going to circle back

688
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Speaker 1: to this figure going up and down the stairs. It's

689
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Speaker 1: I can see it, and there are other clips where

690
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Speaker 1: you see it even better. This is not someone caring laundry.

691
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Speaker 1: Do they think we're idiots? I mean you can see

692
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Speaker 1: it moving like taking steps. Oh, it's an insult to

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Speaker 1: anyone with even half a brain. For Pete's sake, with me, guys,

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Speaker 1: a special guest tonight. It's Mark Epstein. This is Jeffrey

695
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Speaker 1: Epstein's brother. Mark. As you know, I am not political.

696
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Speaker 1: I do not mix politics with crime. I think it's

697
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Speaker 1: very dangerous and hurts crime victims. But isn't it true

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Speaker 1: that you spoke to your brother Jeffrey Epstein while Trump

699
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Speaker 1: was in his office?

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Speaker 14: Yes, that's true. I would speak to Jeffrey and I

701
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Speaker 14: ask him what he's doing, and he'll tell me he's

702
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Speaker 14: with so and so whatever in a new time is

703
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Speaker 14: still or at least at one time, I remember he

704
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Speaker 14: said he is it Trump And there are people who

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Speaker 14: work for Jeffrey that was in his office. That's what

706
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Speaker 14: Trump and there frequently. So I don't know why he

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Speaker 14: can possibly come out and say that he was evering Jeffrey.

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Speaker 14: So makes you know, it's such a blatant lie that

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Speaker 14: I don't know who would believe that after so many

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Speaker 14: people he testified it. That's not so.

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Speaker 1: What did you believe your brother did for a living?

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Speaker 1: What did he tell you he did for a living?

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Speaker 14: Why don't he managed large sums of money for wealthy people,

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Speaker 14: and he invested his own money. That's about as far

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Speaker 14: as I know. I knew very few of his actual

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Speaker 14: business dealings. They are one years ago. I know he

717
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Speaker 14: bought or a group of people that he was with

718
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Speaker 14: bought the company right now. It's the company I made

719
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Speaker 14: football helmets for all the teams, So he owned that

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Speaker 14: for a while. And I know because he told me,

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Speaker 14: and he also sent me a jets helmet from the company.

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Speaker 14: That's what he did.

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Speaker 1: He was I'll sell you why I'm asking you, Mark,

724
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you why i'm asking. From the records I've reviewed,

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Speaker 1: he had about six hundred million dollars at the height

726
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Speaker 1: of his wealth, six hundred million dollars at the height

727
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Speaker 1: of his health. But then when you look at other

728
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Speaker 1: wire transfers, they're up to the billions as viz In

729
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Speaker 1: Brother billions of dollars transferred to accounts, including a flagged

730
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Speaker 1: Russian bank. I know you don't know the intricate dealings

731
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Speaker 1: of his business affairs. This is why I'm asking. When

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Speaker 1: you got a guy that has access to billions beez

733
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Speaker 1: In Brother, billions of dollars unlike anything I can imagine

734
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Speaker 1: growing up on a red dirt road, but billions of

735
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Speaker 1: dollars with very influential people, possibly Russian bankers, and he

736
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Speaker 1: ends up dead behind bars, and everybody still says it

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Speaker 1: was a suicide. That's so far fetch. You see where

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Speaker 1: I'm going. You can't be unguarded in a CI and

739
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Speaker 1: end up dead under these circu cumstances. Having transferred billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars and dealt with all sorts of powerful, influential

741
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Speaker 1: and wealthy people across the world, I mean billions of dollars. Mark,

742
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Speaker 1: where did that come from? Do you have any idea?

743
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Speaker 14: Well, the only thing is that business he was in.

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Speaker 14: What he did, he handled lots of money for very

745
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Speaker 14: well chifful billionaires, So chances are he was investing their

746
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Speaker 14: money and moving their money to where it needed to go.

747
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Speaker 14: Should be. That's the only thing I can think of

748
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Speaker 14: what he would be transferring so much money from.

749
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Speaker 1: His personal accounts. So if they're from his personal accounts,

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Speaker 1: that won't wash. But you know what, I haven't seen

751
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Speaker 1: them all, So maybe some of that was his client's money.

752
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Speaker 1: That is an innocent explanation. Do I believe it?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 1: But could some of it be attributed to his personal accounts?

755
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Speaker 1: Maybe Hey, did you ever meet Julane Maxwell.

756
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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, back in the nine is Jeffrey Glenn met

757
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 14: about nineteen ninety one or ninety two. It became close

758
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 14: and back then we alway used to hang out together

759
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Speaker 14: a lot. Yes, I knew Hope kind of.

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Speaker 1: Well back then, what was she like, Mark, Well, she just.

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Speaker 14: Seemed you know. I mean, it's hard for me to say.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to get involved with personal stuff. I'm

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Speaker 14: interested in the circumstances of my brother's death. I don't

764
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Speaker 14: want to get into the cases with my brother or

765
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Speaker 14: Glen or anybody else. I really want to focus on

766
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Speaker 14: the circumstances I was dead. I can't add much to

767
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Speaker 14: what Glenn was like. There was nothing remarkable about it

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Speaker 14: that I feel the need to comment on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I accept that. Why do you believe Mark, the

770
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Speaker 1: White House will not release the files.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think there's things that they're hiding. That's why.

772
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 14: I mean, their Justice Department is covering everything up. So

773
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 14: I believe potentially maybe the hiding information they don't want

774
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Speaker 14: things out. I can't think of any other reason.

775
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: To say I agree with you. Mark. It's it's not

776
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Speaker 1: just the homicide, it's the lying it's the hiding, it's

777
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: the subterfuge, it's the cover up. We were told over

778
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Speaker 1: and over that these files will be released, and now

779
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Speaker 1: they're not. Hey, one more thing, Mark, before you leave

780
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: us tonight. You were talking about your brother being brought

781
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Speaker 1: back to his cell. I believe from the showers he

782
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Speaker 1: was allowed to go to the showers to make a

783
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Speaker 1: phone call from what we've been told, which is completely

784
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Speaker 1: not kosher. But listen to this.

785
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Speaker 15: While correctional officers admitted that Epstein was allowed to make

786
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Speaker 15: an unmonitored phone call in the showers before he was

787
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Speaker 15: returned to his cell at seven forty pm, co Tova

788
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Speaker 15: Noel claims she left Epstein in the showers alone to

789
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Speaker 15: use the restroom, and by the time she returned, someone

790
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Speaker 15: else had already escorted Epstein back to his cell. However,

791
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Speaker 15: it appears that Noel remains in the unit during the

792
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Speaker 15: call and does personally walk Epstein back toward the staircase

793
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Speaker 15: to cell Block.

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Speaker 1: L Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 15: Another female staffer left the unit shortly before Noel gave

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Speaker 15: the escort and return shortly after Epstein was allegedly safely

797
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Speaker 15: returned to his cell.

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Speaker 1: So this correctional officer Toevin Noel says, she leaves him

799
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Speaker 1: in the showers to use the restroom in what we

800
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Speaker 1: now know to make an unmonitored phone call, which is

801
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Speaker 1: not prison procedure to make phone calls, to allow an

802
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Speaker 1: inmate to make private phone calls from the bathroom. No

803
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Speaker 1: that said Tovin Nowell claims she leaves him in the

804
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Speaker 1: showers and by the time she comes back someone had

805
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Speaker 1: escorted him to his cell But apparently on the video,

806
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 1: it appears she remains in the unit during Epstein's call

807
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: and does walk him back to his cell block. So

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00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: why lie doesn't It's a small detail, mark, but it's

809
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Speaker 1: an important detail.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I've proven well and Michael Thomas, the two gods

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Speaker 14: that got into trouble, initially refused to talk about any

812
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 14: of this. We're trying to get to them to find

813
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 14: out again the main question of what position Jeffrey was

814
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 14: really in when they found him, and they won't talk. Now,

815
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Speaker 14: this is clearly a suicide. Why is such secrecy? Why

816
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 14: is everybody so mum? Why is everybody afraid to speak?

817
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 14: They got they were let off, the charges against them

818
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Speaker 14: were dismissed. You know, a person is dead because of

819
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Speaker 14: their lack of doing a job properly, and they just

820
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Speaker 14: walk free. Whether Jeffrey committed suicide or he was killed,

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Speaker 14: he was under the protection of the federal government in

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Speaker 14: a federal prison. You know, these are case that have

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Speaker 14: been allowed to happen, and because of the behavior of

824
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Speaker 14: these two gods, Jeffrey ended up dead and they're walking free.

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Speaker 14: So the question to ask is what kind of deal

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Speaker 14: did they make and why aren't they talking? What are

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Speaker 14: they afraid of?

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Speaker 1: Regardless of what I think about Epstein, he's your brother,

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Speaker 1: your blood. I'm sorry for what you and your family

830
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Speaker 1: have been through. Mark. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: More to come.

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Speaker 3: Comber responds to Gilane Maxwell's ransom letter, agrees to postpone

833
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Speaker 3: the deposition, but publicly stated the committee will not, under

834
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Speaker 3: any circumstances, considered granting Maxwell congressional immunity pardon for who

835
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Speaker 3: for Killaine Maxwell?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm allowed to give her a part. Nobody's approached

837
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Speaker 1: me with it, nobody's asked me about it.

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Speaker 15: DC insiders are concerned Maxwell's bid for a pardon is

839
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Speaker 15: gaining traction after her meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd

840
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Speaker 15: Blanche led to her being moved to a less restrictive

841
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Speaker 15: low security prison against BOP rules without a waiver because

842
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Speaker 15: she is a convicted sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer joining us Eric Fatus.

844
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Speaker 1: He is a founding partner of Foreigner Fattus, elite legal

845
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Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor. Look, you don't need to draw five

846
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Speaker 1: hundred pounds piano in my head. I get it. She

847
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: mates with the Feds to talk about this case, and

848
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Speaker 1: suddenly she's moved an honor dorm facility, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need to be a legal expert

850
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Speaker 2: to kind of read the tea leaves on that. Clearly

851
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: there is some level of cooperation that's going on, And

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Speaker 2: there are kind of two schools of thought. One is

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Speaker 2: that the federal government is truly and purely investigating and

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Speaker 2: wants to get to the bottom of this, wants to

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Speaker 2: give the people transparency, wants to pursue accountability for those implicated.

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Speaker 2: The other school of thought is that this is kind

857
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Speaker 2: of a facade, kind of an effort to protect certain

858
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Speaker 2: higher up individuals, and so, you know, is there something

859
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Speaker 2: more nefarious going on?

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Speaker 1: When we see Glene Maxwell being.

861
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Speaker 2: Transferred to this cushy U prison facility that that like

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Speaker 2: Lynchaucet has Elizabeth Fair and or Elizabeth Holmes the nose

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Speaker 2: person and you know they're hanging out playing tennis or whatever.

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Speaker 7: Raises a few.

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Speaker 1: Gilaene Maxwell has just been moved to a minimum security

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Speaker 1: club FED lock up. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining us well

867
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Speaker 1: known former associate Award and MDC and more. Doctor Hendrix

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Speaker 1: describe the Club FED where Gillaene Maxwell is now housed.

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Speaker 4: Well, it hous about six hundred and fifty inmates. Less

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Speaker 4: you know, she came from a facility with security fence

871
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Speaker 4: around in Tallahassee which held twelve hundred inmates. Basically, you know,

872
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Speaker 4: other than having to stand up account at four o'clock

873
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Speaker 4: at nine o'clock every every evening and on the weekends

874
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Speaker 4: and holidays at ten am, she's pretty much got freedom,

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Speaker 4: you know.

876
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Speaker 7: She she's able.

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Speaker 4: To walk out of her dorm and catch sunlight and

878
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Speaker 4: catch the sunrise and the sunset, go to the gym,

879
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Speaker 4: go to religious programming, and all those other things that

880
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Speaker 4: other inmates at minimum security facilities can do. She can

881
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Speaker 4: also be eligible to work in the community, because that's

882
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Speaker 4: what when people say you can go to a camp.

883
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Speaker 4: Basically inmates are in the community doing community projects.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that rolls my eyebrows in this

886
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Speaker 4: case is that typically inmates with more than ten years

887
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Speaker 4: cannot be housed at a camp. So this will be

888
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Speaker 4: the first time that I'm ever hearing of and I

889
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Speaker 4: did designations many years ago in the Northern District of California.

890
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Speaker 4: Typically inmates, especially those who are convicted of sex trafficking,

891
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Speaker 4: would not be at a camp, especially above ten years

892
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Speaker 4: remaining on their sentence. So she definitely after the meeting

893
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Speaker 4: she had with them, she did get some perks, being

894
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Speaker 4: allowed to move from Florida to Texas to Brian.

895
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's what I've learned about her new digs. It's

896
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Speaker 1: dormitory style housing. There is no perimeter sense. We're told

897
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Speaker 1: she can play tennis, ping, pong, volleyball, yoga, pilates, a

898
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Speaker 1: gym equipped with treadmills, ellipticals, stairmasters, and weights. They have

899
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Speaker 1: the puppy program where she gets to pet and play

900
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Speaker 1: with puppies. A commissary where she can buy all sorts

901
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Speaker 1: of high end beauty aids, creams, euthanizers, hair products. Visitors

902
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Speaker 1: allowed weekends holidays, so many freedoms, low low security, freedom

903
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Speaker 1: to move around the facilities, grounds, outdoors with limited perimeter fencing,

904
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Speaker 1: vegan diet. It just goes on and on. Lynn Shaw,

905
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Speaker 1: founder Lynn's Warriors. Isn't it true that convicted tom molesters

906
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Speaker 1: are not allowed in low security facilities period?

907
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, We've never heard of anybody convicted sex trafficking being

909
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Speaker 12: allowed in a facility like this. I've spoken to a

910
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Speaker 12: lot of people to question them to make sure I

911
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Speaker 12: know what I'm talking about. They've never heard of this.

912
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Speaker 12: But I have to ask you something. Let me flip

913
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Speaker 12: it for a minute. Perhaps she might be the next

914
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Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein. Why is she allowed in a place with

915
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Speaker 12: no perimeter? But I'll tell you who doesn't have yoga

916
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Speaker 12: and vegan meals and high end beauty products. All of

917
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Speaker 12: the victims and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Golene Maxwell,

918
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Speaker 12: who are living for the rest of their lives with

919
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Speaker 12: this trauma that they will never get over. It doesn't

920
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 12: just end when you go through horrific circumstances like sex trafficking, grooming,

921
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Speaker 12: all of this abuse, you know what, it lives with

922
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Speaker 12: you forever. So while she's having a good time. I

923
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Speaker 12: think we should all assume she gave some kind of information.

924
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Speaker 12: She's being protected. Something more is going on here. I'm

925
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Speaker 12: going to say it again, like a broken record, top down.

926
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo right now of some of

927
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Speaker 1: the women in this dorm facility, and they actually have

928
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Speaker 1: hand weights. It looks like Mommy's morning out and they're

929
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Speaker 1: all in little matching shorts and T shirt gem outfits,

930
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Speaker 1: you know, like everybody matches their outfits in the Hamptons. Well,

931
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Speaker 1: here they are, and they actually have hand weights, which

932
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Speaker 1: is a huge no no because one inmate can haul

933
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Speaker 1: off and hit a warden or another inmate with those weights.

934
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Speaker 1: They're out in a grassy area like a park, and

935
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Speaker 1: they're walking and laughing with their hand weights. Now we

936
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Speaker 1: are learning tisaatels that we're getting a new excuse for

937
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Speaker 1: moving her to a new jail, saying that any ascertation

938
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Speaker 1: she's getting preferential treatment is absurd. Prisoners are routinely moved.

939
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Speaker 1: That's bs. What do you know about her new digs?

940
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Speaker 1: Taste of tales, her new digs.

941
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Speaker 6: The streets are saying is a reward now for what?

942
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Speaker 6: Because they say it's for information? She might have given.

943
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Speaker 6: But like you pointed out, there is one point one

944
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Speaker 6: billion dollars with over four thousand wire transfers going in

945
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Speaker 6: and out of account You can talk to all the

946
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Speaker 6: people that own the accounts that are going in and out.

947
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Speaker 6: You can talk to the Pope, Mick Jagger, you can

948
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Speaker 6: talk to President Clinton, and you can talk to President Trump.

949
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Speaker 6: There are a million ways we can get more information.

950
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Speaker 6: How we can even go back to that old case,

951
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Speaker 6: the fact that now it looks like to me and

952
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Speaker 6: everybody else, it is a thinly veiled excuse to give

953
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Speaker 6: this woman presidential treatment.

954
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Speaker 1: Everybody's horrified.

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Speaker 6: But again, to go back to what Lynn said, just say,

956
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Speaker 6: Maxwell might want to be the one that's being horrified.

957
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Speaker 6: You get you get moved to a prison that has

958
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Speaker 6: barely any security.

959
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Speaker 1: You get moved to an honor.

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Speaker 6: Unit where all the good kids that got a gold

961
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Speaker 6: star on the report card in federal jail get moved to.

962
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Speaker 6: You're now there sitting there like a sitting duck. Again,

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Speaker 6: why would she move? I would be very worried if

964
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Speaker 6: you look at what happened in Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 12: He was supposed to have a mandatory roommate roommate up.

966
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Speaker 6: The day of his death, the roommate was inexplicably moved

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Speaker 6: out of a sale. He was alone for over eleven hours.

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Speaker 6: There's supposed to be thirty minute checks. This is in

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Speaker 6: the highest profile.

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Speaker 1: Case in a highly secured prison. We wait as god

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Speaker 1: willing justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.