1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. I 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: am no, they call me Ben. Hopefully you have a 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: name as well. Welcome to stuff they don't want you 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: to know. Ladies and gentlemen, as Timothy Leary used to say, 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: turn on, tune in, drop out of the mainstream. Malarkey, 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: have we got a show for you? You know what 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I say, Ben? What's that? Malarkey? Sch malarkey? You have 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: said that often? Yeah, you know what I always say? 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: What's that? Don't eat other humans? But is it wrong 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: to eat people? I think so in our modern society. Sure. 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: You guys were not here to make judgment calls. Okay, 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: We're here to report the facts and the you know, 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: conjectures surrounding said topic. Yes, that is correct, nol. We 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: are looking at cannibalism fact and fiction today. As Matt 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: pointed out just a second ago, cannibalism is a taboo. 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: It is a great and it's an ancient taboo, but 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: it is also a practice that is as old as 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: human civilization older the Western civilization, as old as the 22 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: passage of the stars first measured by man. It may 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: predate civilization. There is evidence that human beings, you know, 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: we did our earlier show on the difference, let's say, 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: demo reels of what would become modern humanity. Dennisovans, Neanderthals, 26 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: the Hobbits out in Indonesia. There's evidence that I thought 27 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: they lived in New Zealand. New Zealand. Oh that was 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: the worst I've been working. I had a pretty good 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: New Zealand accent for a while. You should watch Hunt 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: for the Wildered People. You'll get in real quick. You know. 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Flight at the Concords helped me with it. Some of 32 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the same folks, some of the same folks. D Mary 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Mary's in it. Maybe he plays a conspiracy theory. Not 34 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: who lives in the bush? It's on It's on the 35 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: top of my must be fantastic. Yeah, all right, but 36 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: well no, we're all we're all digressing together. And what 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: what else is a conversation if not a series of 38 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: Matroshka dolls? You know? Uh So. There is evidence though 39 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: that even before the Homo sapien that we know now 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: was on the scene early man was eating itself. Yeah, 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: there's this place called Gos Cave in Somerset, England, and 42 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: in this cave there were discovered animal bones and human 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: bones that were placed together. It's from fifteen thousand years ago, 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: that's when these these bones were placed in there. The 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: bones displayed evidence of the fleshing, the skin ripping off 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: of it, marrow extraction, like crushing those bones and getting 47 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: all the good insides out of delicious marrow and get this. 48 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Human teeth marks on both animal and human bones, which 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: is which is horrifying, but still not quite proof positive 50 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of cannibalism. I mean, obviously it's damning evidence, but they're 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: the only The only proof positive we have of cannibalism 52 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: is actually found in human feces because there is a 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: protein that can only come from human flesh that will 54 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: end up in human feces if someone is eating someone else. 55 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: You like how we're we're getting right to the grossest part. Yeah, 56 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: this is this is great. I'm loving this especially I'm 57 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: imagining all the different things that people could be doing 58 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: while listening to this. That's actually the tagline for cannibalism 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: is I'm loving this. Yeah, Yeah, McDonald's took it too. 60 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm loving it. But now we changed the word. Okay, 61 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: we changed the word uh, the same way Vanilla Ice 62 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: took that Queen's. Remember he did get sued though, yeah 63 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: he did. Did he win? I don't know. So let's 64 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: put this in the historical context. The fancy five dollar 65 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 1: word for cannibalism is anthropopagy. And my girlfriend loves their clothes, 66 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: but I find them really overpriced. Boy, and they keep 67 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: eating their customers, right, not cool. I feel so worried 68 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: about you every time you go into that store. I try, 69 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: I try to avoid it at all costs. So here's 70 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: here's the deal with cannibalism. For a long, long time, 71 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: accusations of cannibalism have been used to dehumanize groups of 72 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: other people. Right Crystal Bala Cologne Street named Christopher Columbus 73 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: rationalized some horrific things he did to the natives of 74 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the Caribbean by saying that he was bringing Christianity to cannibals, 75 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: or that he was, you know, stopping their acts through 76 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: somehow slavery and mass pillaging and rape. But yeah, he 77 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: also said that the native people's that he met when 78 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: he landed the Arawak I think his name of the 79 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: tribe in North America, and they they told him, or 80 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: allegedly they told him, that there was a another group 81 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: it was outside of theirs that practice cannibalism, and hey, Christopher, 82 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: you should be careful those guys. Don't go near them. 83 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: They were really doing a massala. He really did not 84 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: pay it forward. No, he said, great, move new slaves. 85 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: But there Yeah, but there was also no evidence and 86 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: there has been no evidence to show that that was true. Right, 87 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: so we see that cannibalism is one of the ultimate 88 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: on accusation satitions. Yeah, it certainly can exist almost as 89 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: like a specter where people are suspected of doing a 90 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: thing and you kind of like there is this lingering 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, do they don't they? Well, we heard they did, 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: so we better steer clear, you know that kind of thing, right, 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: or we our community is acting in self defense rather 94 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: than aggression. Legends of adjacent cannibal groups are across six 95 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: of the seven continents, unless something's going on in Antarctica 96 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: that we are not aware of at this time. But 97 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: we do know that this great debate is aside from 98 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: that socio political context. We do know that cannibalism does occur. 99 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: As Matt pointed out, it occurred repeatedly and often in 100 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: ancient times. It also it also occurs in the past 101 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: and the recent past, recent enough that people you know, 102 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: including maybe yourself depend on when you're born, were alive 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: when acts of cannibalism occurred. And it also occurs in 104 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: isolated incidents via individuals. So are question today will be 105 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: how prevalent is cannibalism, how much of this stuff is 106 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: a rumor, how much of it is fact? And to 107 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: do that we're gonna lean on an article at our 108 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: parent website, How Stuff Works, and you can check it 109 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: out now. It's how cannibalism works, written by josh Clark 110 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: of Stuff you should know. Oh yeah, that's right, Joshua. 111 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: With this one. That guy's into some freaky stuff, sure is. No, Hey, no, 112 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: what's the first type of cannibalism? Well, I'm glad you asked, Ben, 113 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: It just so happens. The first type of cannibalism is 114 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: what's known as survival cannibalism. So this is sort of 115 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: a Donner Party esque kind of situation, So consuming human 116 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: flesh and the hopes of surviving long enough to eat 117 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: something else, so not for fundsies, not for funsies. Unfortunately, 118 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: sometimes that time for eating other things, delicious nuggets, chicken nuggets, whatever, 119 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: never comes, so you end up kind of you know, 120 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: exhausting your uh, your buddies in the form of you know, 121 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: digesting their flesh, and then you're left to starve and 122 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: also feel like a terrible, monstrous human person. Yes, here's 123 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: an example. In the eighteen hundreds, four men on a 124 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: yacht named the Mignonette were sailing from England to Australia 125 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: and they were stranded in a lifeboat after their yacht 126 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: sank in the Atlantic. They were adrift for more than 127 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: two months, and they they captured one sea turtle and 128 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: rationate as they could. They eventually ran out of meat. 129 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: One of the men was a sailor named Richard Parker, 130 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: and he got so desperately thirsty that he dranks seawater, 131 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: and of course his health declined more precipitously than his 132 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: three surviving shipmates. As he lingered between death and life, 133 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: with morbidity looming in front of him, the shipmates said, 134 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: will kill him and eat him rather than waiting for 135 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: him to die of natural causes, and there's a brutal 136 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: logic to that as well that we can explore. I'm 137 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna really quickly point something out here, and 138 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: it just struck me. Have you seen Life of Pie? Yes, 139 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. I've not seen anything. Isn't the 140 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: tiger's name Richard Park? Yes? Huh? And they're like stranded 141 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: on a ship spoiler alert so much as like the 142 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: whole movie. Yeah, thing it all right? Sorry, but that's 143 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: interesting and the Life of Pie, which is a wonderful book, 144 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: and uh, I was a fan of the film as well. 145 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: We see the shipwreck situation repeated in fiction. Unfortunately, this 146 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: fiction is based on fact because for a very long 147 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: time it was a code of the sea. It was 148 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: understood that if people were stranded and the shipwreck, someone 149 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: may well end up being consumed by the other people. 150 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: And oddly enough another twist here is uh For fans 151 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: of Ed Grallan Poe and the Paranormal. Around the same time, 152 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: roughly and Grollan Poe wrote a short story called The 153 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim. He wrote that in eight 154 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: and that's pen p y m, which follows almost exactly 155 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: the real life story of Richard Parker. Is it synchronicity? 156 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Is it a young Gian super consciousness? Is it? So? 157 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: Did he hear about it maybe and then wrote about it? 158 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: Did you hear about it before it happened? Or did 159 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: you do it to them? Did he somehow do it 160 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: to them? But speaking of the ritual, what is it 161 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: the ritual of the sea or the code of the 162 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: code of the sea. I've got three straws here, boys, 163 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think we've reached that place yet. We can 164 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: find out, we can find out who's gonna eat who 165 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna eat me? Guys the same size, Well, they're 166 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: not the short straw you have to kill him. Is 167 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: there a hierarchy here? Because you got the long straws? 168 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: And wait and you brought the straws the straws out, 169 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: but hey, you chose. There's another example that happened more recently, 170 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: and listeners, this may have occurred in your lifetime. This 171 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: may sound familiar to you. There was a plane crash 172 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two of forty two people included a 173 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: Uruguayan rugby team, which is what probably the reason you 174 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: may have heard of this before it got the story 175 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: of this event got turned into a movie called Alive. 176 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: Also a book. Uh, there are several places where we 177 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: can read about this and a sweet Pearl jam song. 178 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: Yeah kidding, I don't note there. So keep in mind 179 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: it's minus thirty degrees fahrenheit out there. That's super cold. Um. Now, 180 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of people who didn't make it 181 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: through the initial crash. Their bodies are there. Um, you 182 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: don't have much to eat because you know, they had 183 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: some supplies, some wine and chocolate. It was on the plane, 184 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: but it was very limited. There was also an avalanche 185 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: that they had to deal with and ended up killing 186 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: eight more of the surviving people that were killed. Half 187 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: of the survivors, eight of the sixteen. The bodies of 188 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: some of the people who were here that are frozen. 189 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: Or do we die? Do we all just decided to die. 190 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: That's a tough choice to make, and they made it, 191 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: and they were ultimately rescued. Yes, they were driven to 192 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: desperation after seventy to seventy two days, and they took 193 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: a sort of a Hail Mary ten day trip to 194 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: find some sort of civilization and they ran into a 195 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: Chilean herder I believe who brought them back uh, kind 196 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: of cannibalism is uh, you know, it's frightening, and we 197 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Drew straws ingest, but we're the three of us on 198 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: a boat and in desperate circumstances, who knows what would occur. 199 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: And Matt, I think you're right. It is. It is 200 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: a tough decision, and I don't mean to denigrate it 201 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: at all, but also it's a decision that I feel 202 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: like I know most people. I I know what most 203 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: people would decide. Very very few people, including you vegetarians 204 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: in the audience, would slowly starved to death. And the 205 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: worst part about this kind of cannibalism is that it 206 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: encounters rabbit starvation. Rabbit starvation is something that happens when 207 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: someone's diet is only lean meat. So when people are 208 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: driven to cannibalism in this sort of situation, the person 209 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: that they're consuming unless they were already dead. If everybody 210 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: was starving and they just ate the first one who 211 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: expired from starvation or dehydration, then the food that they 212 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: are eating from that body is not nutritious enough to 213 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: sustain them. There's no fat, so they will continue eating 214 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: while they are starving because their body has enough lean 215 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: meat what it needs is some sort of nutrition. So 216 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: the worst part of this sort of cannibalism, unfortunately, is 217 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: that it doesn't help, and that is rabbit R A 218 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: B B I T starvation. Yes, so we talked about 219 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: the we talked about the Code of the Sea, and 220 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: talked about survival cannibalism in small groups. But it has 221 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: happened in large scale events as well. Most notably, for 222 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: history buffs the Siege of Leningrad. Perhaps this was a 223 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: nearly three year siege. Eight hundred and seventy two days. 224 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: A million people died easily from various circumstances, right from war, 225 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: from hardship, from being abducted, butchered and eaten. The population 226 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: was slowly starving with no way to replenish the food supply. 227 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: Gangs of starving people roamed the street like feral dogs. 228 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: The city had to dedicate an entire unit of its 229 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: dwindling law enforcement justified cannibalism, and people were arrested. Hundreds 230 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, as a matter of fact, two hundred 231 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: and sixty people were arrested for cannibalism and the parents 232 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: kept their children inside at night for fear that they 233 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: would be abducted. Absolutely No, This shows us that people 234 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: will eat one another, not just in small, isolated groups, 235 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: but entire cities can be driven to cannibalism under the 236 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: right circumstances. If this seems strange to ladies and gentlemen, 237 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: look around. Is there anyone in the room with you? 238 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Are you outside? Is there anyone walking by? If there's 239 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: no one near you, think about the closest person. Think 240 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: about what would happen the next time you're trapped in 241 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: an elevator, right, think about what would happen the next 242 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: time you're stranded somewhere. How long would it take you? 243 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: What choice would you make? And we will ponder that 244 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: question and others when we return from a quick sponsor break. So, 245 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: our second type of cannibalism is what's called learned cannibalism, 246 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: essentially a socially reinforced form of form of eating human flesh. 247 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: And there are two types of this. Yeah, there is 248 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: endo cannibalism, and that's the one that occurs with in 249 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: the group, the social group in which you exist. And 250 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: there are several examples of this. Most of the examples 251 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: we have are tribes, tribes in Indonesia and New Guinea Um. 252 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: Several other places like that. This is what you might 253 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: describe as ritualistic cannibalism. Bran for sure. So like the 254 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Wari tribe practices Indo cannibalism in the in the form 255 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: of UH mortuary cannibalism. UH. They're also known as the 256 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Paca Nova and they are in Brazil, and so this 257 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: sort of cannibalism occurs when they So what happens is 258 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: when a when a valued member of the society dies, 259 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: the closest relatives hug embraced the deceased person. They leave 260 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: the body for three days approximately, and then they send 261 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: out messengers. So in the time between the death and 262 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: the actual funeral, it's an average of three days. But 263 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: that's not a hard and fast rule. And course this 264 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: is in the Amazon, so decomposition sets in very quickly. 265 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: It is a hungry, hungry environment. And once they arrive, 266 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: once all the relatives arrive, they build a fire. They 267 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: removed the visceral organs, They roast the body and then 268 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: they have a tendant. Relatives consume the flesh to a 269 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: suage the family's grief because what what they thought. What 270 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: they think thought of this is that by ingesting this corpse, 271 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: the dead person is living on in some way in 272 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: the body of their family over and transferring the soul 273 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: rather than being abandoned to wander the forest alone as 274 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: a spirit. So it's considered an act of compassion rather 275 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: than an act of desperation, and in its own way, 276 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, the reasoning behind that is beautiful. And then 277 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: there is the four a tribe in Papua New Guinea, 278 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: which you have probably heard of if you have looked 279 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: into cannibalism. So upon the death of a member of 280 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: this community, the women in the family, the maternal kin, 281 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: dismember the corpse, removed the arms and feet, stripped, the limbs, 282 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: removed the brain, cut open the chest and take out 283 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: the organs. This is where um, this is where you 284 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: hear about kuru, right, I've heard of this, yes, So 285 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: kuru is this infection you can get from consuming a 286 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: human brain? Yeah, from the like um, like mad cow. Yeah. 287 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: And so this, uh. The thing is that people who 288 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: died of puru there was a bit of a positive 289 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: feedback loop because those people would die um quickly, right, 290 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: and they would have still have a layer of fat 291 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: on them that resembled fatty pork, So they would be 292 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: choice by and this this produced um, you know, has 293 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: produced massive complications. There's also an X Files episode about 294 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: people transmitting Guru to each other. Uh. And then there's 295 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: another tribe in Indonesian New Guinea. Yeah, this is the 296 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: Kori tribe and it the practices of the Korai tribe 297 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: in the past. That's what we're talking about here. It 298 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: appears that most of cannibalism within this tribe has ceased. Um. 299 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: But in the past, when a member of the tribe 300 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: died for some less than obvious reason, let's say a disease, 301 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: something internal that you couldn't see. They didn't fall out 302 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: of a tree, or you know, die in battle or 303 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: get attacked by an animal. If this occurs, then it 304 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: was believed that their death was caused by a kakua 305 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: or a witch man from the nether world, which is 306 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: pretty intense. I think that's also a pokemon akakua. I 307 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: did not know that, really. Listeners correct me if I'm wrong. 308 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: But these kakula were only believed to be able to 309 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: inhabit the bodies of a male another male, and when 310 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: they did inhabit that body, they magically ate the interior 311 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: of the human So in order to enact revenge on 312 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: this which man that is eating the insides the core. 313 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: I believed they had to eat the body of the 314 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: person who died. And you know, there's this whole list 315 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: here of how they prepared the meat, which I kind 316 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: of don't even want to get into. But they basically 317 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: steamed the body and chopped it up in order to 318 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: consume all the parts. And we have a description here 319 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: from an interview that Vice conducted with someone who spent 320 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: some time with this tribe that discusses exactly how they 321 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: prepared the human meat. Just for the record, the pokemon 322 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: is a cocuna. But here's the quote. They steam everything 323 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: with an oven made from leaves and rocks. They treat 324 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: it like they with the flesh of a pig. They 325 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: cut off the legs separately and wrap them in banana leaves. 326 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: They cut off the head and that goes to the 327 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: person who found the cakua. They cut off the right 328 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: arm and the right ribs as one piece and the 329 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: left as another. Yat everything except for the hair, nails 330 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: and the penis. Children under thirteen are not allowed to 331 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: eat this flesh. They believe that eating the cakua is 332 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: very dangerous, that their evil spirits all around, and the 333 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: children are vulnerable. And again this is these are practices 334 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: that occurred in the past. It's thought that now these 335 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: practices are discussed as a way of getting people to 336 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: come and visit the tribes. Um. But you know that 337 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: is unconfirmed currently. There's another one that's perhaps the oldest 338 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: practice of cannibalism, which is exo cannibalism eating a member 339 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: of another family, group, community, tribe, culture, at, etcetera. For instance, 340 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: the Mienmen in Papua New Guinea again were well known 341 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: for practicing this. Uh. They would raid neighboring villages. When 342 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: an anthropologist questioned members of this community why they carried 343 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: off dead at Bullman's, an adjacent community, Uh, they said 344 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: they considered them good meat to this tribe. The Meamens 345 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: the at Ballman's, who existed outside their community weren't people. 346 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: They were game. They were there to be hunted, the 347 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: same way that the Morlocks hunted the Eloy in the 348 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: Time Machine by Wells, or the way Gary Busey hunted 349 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: Iced Tea in Most Dangerous, Most Dangerous Game. Well, that 350 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: wasn't what was going on. The movie was just called 351 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: it was called Surviving the game. Yeah, hunting a person, though, 352 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: is often referred to as the most dangerous game. There's 353 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: another example. There was a former secret society and Sierra Leone, 354 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: calling themselves the Leopard Society. They would kill people, they 355 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: would attack them with claw like weapons, and uh, they 356 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: would take the human blood and fat of killed members 357 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: of other groups and they would mix it into a 358 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: potion called borfina was consumed to attract wealth and power, 359 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: similar to a few of those isolated incidents amongst Narco religions. Yeah, 360 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, of course, while we're in that 361 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: part of the world, while we're in South America, let's 362 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: let's look at the Azdec culture of Mexico and Central 363 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: America just a little ways north right. Uh, there were 364 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: large scale human sacrifices to appease the gods, to uh 365 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: attend the god's needs in hopes of gaining greater glory, 366 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: of valuable harvest and so on. Ritualistic sacrifice and harvesting 367 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: is something that we can examine in a later podcast. 368 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: But there was also cannibalism that occurred. And this is 369 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: not necessarily something from the bygone days of civilizations that 370 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: have fallen. In World War two, when some of our ancestors. Right, 371 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: we're traveling across the world waging war. When some of 372 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: our listeners today might have been traveling in one part 373 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: of a war effort or another. Cannibalism occurred, especially in 374 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: the Pacific theater. And this is um, this is recent, 375 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: the horrific we see that wartime cannibalism is almost its 376 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: own thing, you know it. It can occur in survival 377 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: situations like the Siege of Leningrad, but we've categorized it 378 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: in a different way when there is an attack in 379 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: military force as engaging cannibalism, not because it needs to, 380 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: not because it is looking for nutrition, but because of 381 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: the madness of war. Yeah, it's called battle rage. In 382 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: a couple of places, um, specifically with Iroquois and Fiji cultures. 383 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: It's it's one of these awful things where people, if 384 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: they were captured, they would be mutilated, like in front 385 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: of a crowd. Sometimes sometimes cut up and eaten in 386 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: front of a crowd. Like people talking about taking suit 387 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: like souvenirs or trophies where someone will have like a 388 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: necklace with you know, severed ears on them or something 389 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: like that. You know. And while we're talking about this, stuff, 390 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: this darker stuff. Let's move to pathological cannibalism, which is 391 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: the maybe one of the It's difficult to make a 392 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: hierarchy for this, so I wan't attempt it. But pathological cannibalism, 393 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: pathological cannibalism is what mentally disturbed individuals will do. And 394 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: for instance, well, let's name the elephant in the room. 395 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: We're talking about serial killers, were talking about Albert Fish, 396 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: We're talking about Jeffrey Dahmer, who famously practiced cannibalism on 397 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: some of his victims. Uh. And I believe he tried 398 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: to conduct rapid nation operations in order to create undead 399 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: uh slaves. Well, yes, and this, this is the reason 400 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: it's pathological is because this is not a survival situation. 401 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: This is not a socially reinforced thing or a ritual 402 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: or funereal. Right, you know, this is a person who 403 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: is disturbed, acting out on their own inner demons, right, 404 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: acting out on the orders of their own inner demons. 405 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: And then there's another case here, of course, that some 406 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: of us may remember from two thousand and one, which 407 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: we have quote here from an advertisement very built men 408 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: who would like to be eaten by me. This was 409 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: an ad taken out by a guy named Arman Males 410 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: m E I W E s uh. He was looking 411 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: for someone to consentually be consumed. He found a willing 412 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: partner and forte year old burned urgan brands. This was 413 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: a little bit different. It's still pathological cannibalism, but but 414 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: it was a consenting partner. So over the next over 415 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: the next few months, after they met in the first 416 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: eight pieces of this guy uh genitalia. Um. After they 417 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: the Genitalia, Arman put the guy in a bath, was bleeding, 418 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: slitters throat, butchered in and over the next few months 419 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: eight uh about forty five pounds of his dead body. 420 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: So it wasn't really a crime, but it does lead 421 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: us to or in terms of in legal terms in 422 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: German courts, this wasn't Who would make a law for that? 423 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: Who saw that coming? No one? That's a Shamalan move 424 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: for sure. This leads us to another form of cannibalism, 425 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: which would be auto cannibalism. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, do 426 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: any of you bite your nails? Do any of you, 427 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: uh list, We're continuing to be a little crass engross 428 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: with this. Does anyone pick their nose, or eat their 429 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: boogers or chew on the edge of their fingers or 430 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: their hair. If sir, you are committing an active auto cannibalism. 431 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: This makes me think of a story, UM, from I 432 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: believe a Skelton Crew collection of Stephen King short stories 433 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: called Survivor type where a doctor UM find himself stranded 434 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: alone on a desert island and has his medical bag 435 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: and anesthesia and systematically, methodically anesthetizes different parts of his 436 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: body and um, you know, cuts them off and eats 437 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: them until he has no limbs left. WHOA, that's that's 438 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: great Stephen King. Thanks, thanks for putting that in my head. 439 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: And then there's what in my opinion, and I want 440 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: to hear what you think, folks. In my opinion, the 441 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: most horrific form of cannibalism is forced auto cannibalism, forcing 442 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: someone to eat themselves like that scene in Hannibal. Yes, 443 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: all right, we're entering a little bit of spoiler territory here. 444 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: So if anyone hasn't seen the movie Hannibal from what 445 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: ten years ago, um years fast forward about a minute 446 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: and a half. There's a scene in this film where 447 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: UM Anthony Hopkins character hannibal lector Um has isn't it 448 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: has a brain open? Yeah, skulls open. Raliotis character who's 449 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: sort of his nemesis in the movie Um. He abducts him, 450 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: lobotomizes him and cuts out little parts of his brain 451 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: and fries it up in a pan and then feeds 452 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: it to him, And stuff like this happens in the 453 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: real world. I want to warn you before we continue, folks, 454 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: that this may not be a pleasant story, So if 455 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: you would rather not hear it, this is your chance 456 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: to turn back. We'll keep it short. This really happened, 457 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: and it's important not to forget that these things occur. 458 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: In Jackson County, Florida, a group around two thousand white 459 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: Southerners intended to sacrifice a man named Claude Neil, an 460 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: innocent black man. They sent invitations about this, they announced 461 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: it in local newspapers. They castrated him, and they forced 462 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: him to eat his own testicles, and then they torture, 463 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: further mutilated him, cut off other parts of his body, 464 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: some saved as mementos, similar to wartime cannibalism, skinned him 465 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: and burned him. This is what the human species is 466 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: capable of. Forest auto cannibalism is, in my opinion, the 467 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: most insane and disturbing part of of this entire thing. 468 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: And then, as a palate cleanser, let's go right to 469 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: one another one that a lot of people don't think 470 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: about newly discovered auto cannibals. Matt and I among you 471 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: nail biters, Right, there's another. There's another thing. And as 472 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: symbolic cannibalism, you attend a Christian mass Body of Christ, 473 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: Body of Christ. Yeah, this is something I can't remember 474 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: if we've talked about on the show before, but it 475 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: was a new revelation for me, and I guess just 476 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: because I grew up in such a Christian centric environment 477 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: that I never thought twice about that ritual. Um. You know, 478 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: it is symbolic. Of course, you're not actually eating blood 479 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: or body of anything. But still, even though it's symbolic, now, 480 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: some sects of Christianity do believe that it is the 481 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: actual body of Christ once it is transubstantiation. Yeah, I mean, 482 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: it's mind blowing when you really think about it. Sure, 483 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: from an outsider perspective, it's it's got to sound, you know, 484 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: like cannibalism, and it just seems it's it's so strange 485 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: how things can normalize for people, you know what I mean. Sure, 486 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: it's like if we think back to individuals in a 487 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: human sacrifice oriented culture, then they would say, well, we 488 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: have to do this. Well, that's sort of the nature 489 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: of ritual, isn't it, Where you normalize the abnormal and 490 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: it becomes of course, we do that, that's just what 491 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: we do. We've always always done that. We've always been 492 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: at war with East Asia or the Middle East or remember. 493 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: So here's the here's the crazy part. This is a 494 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: brief check in because we're running out of time today 495 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: and we'll have to come back next week. Cannibalism occurs 496 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: in modern context. It occurs in West Africa, it occurs 497 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: in India, it occurs in Papua New Guinea. It occurred 498 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: in North Korea during the famine of the nineteen nineties. 499 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: Cannibalism is much much closer then you may think. It 500 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: is not just some old unfortunate happenstance with shipwrecks. It's 501 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: not just something that an isolated, disturbed individual would do 502 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: to innocent people. In times of crisis, People, no matter 503 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: how well you know them, may change, and ultimately the 504 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: human goal, the thing we are built to do is 505 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: to survive by any means necessary. Not all of the 506 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: these forms of cannibalism that exists in the modern age 507 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: are necessarily bad or criminal. Right. There is ritualistic, spiritual cannibalism, right, 508 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: the propitiation of the dead in in other terms. For example, 509 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: in India, there's the a Gory tribe, and these are 510 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: cannibal monks. They feast on human flesh, they drink from skulls, 511 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: They live amongst the dead. But they are not um. 512 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: They're not going out and killing people. They will chew 513 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: the heads off live animals. They meditate on top of cadavers. 514 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: They live with death, you know what I mean. But 515 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: this is not necessarily criminal. Another thing that we see 516 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: is the allegations of cannibalism amongst the elite. There are 517 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: a lot of allegations of cannibalism among the elites, but 518 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: there is not I haven't found anything that we can substantiate, 519 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: something that we can come forward and say, yes, absolutely, 520 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: this is happening. Um. There are gastions about Bohemian Grove 521 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: that you've probably read, where they are allegedly human sacrifices. 522 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: Then cremation of care through the cremation of care where 523 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: there's a body, you know, it's believed to be just 524 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: a prop effigy and effigy, yes, but you know there 525 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: are people who think otherwise. Who knows, I've never been there. 526 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: The only people I know have been there are presidents 527 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: and you know, some of the elites and Alex Jones. 528 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: So we are going to end it here today, ladies 529 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, on a question, would you eat someone's to survive? 530 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: Do you have the will power to let yourself slowly 531 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: starved to death rather than consume human flesh? How prevalent 532 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: do you feel cannibalism is, and what do you think 533 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: about the spiritual nature of consuming human body parts? Yeah? 534 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: Do you think there is power to be gained by 535 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: doing that? Somehow? 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