1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: ten pm to two am Eastern seven to eleven pm 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Foxsports Radio 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every night on the 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe it goes so fast. Hour four of 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: the program. Here Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: Me Mike Harmon. No, Jason Smith may or may not 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 3: be back Wednesday. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: I may. We got a six to six games. 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: Bottom, a ninth two runners on, so we'll see how 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: that one flows. I mean, folks theorizing that a Mets 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: continued winning streak would keep Jason from coming back to 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: the studio, which would mean more Rich Ornberger with us 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: here at Ornberger where you find him in the Twitter verse. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: It's going on, buddy, Sure, yeah. 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 5: Things are good. 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 6: As we make the final turn lap four, I'm feeling stronger, better, 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 6: even more opinionated than where we started. 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: That's cool. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 3: More hot take nonsense here in the final ockers, you're 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: gonna have to make some sense of things for me 26 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: as we look at the wonderful twisting world of Christian Wilkins. 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: Earlier this week we chronicled the release by the Las 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 3: Vegas Raiders, which would then prompt a flare up into 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: the night and a potential grievance with the Union, which 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: is a whole other subplot to all of this, with 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: everything going on with the people at the head of 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: the union, from player reps, elected officials all the way 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: to Lloyd Howell, who has now resigned from his post, 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: but put a pin in that for the moment. Reports 35 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: today start surfacing now that there was an HR complaint 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: filed by a Raiders teammate now former Raiders teammate, that 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins went over and kiss him on the head, 38 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: and that this prompted an HR investigation, and that might 39 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: have been the culmination of other issues with Wilkins to where, 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: you know, the final straw adding to the idea that 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: he was physically unable to hit the football field, didn't 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 3: rehab his injury properly, eschewed advice to have surgery. All 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: of that, and now this from Adam Schefter quote playfully 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: went to kiss a teammate on the top of his head. 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: And now this is circulating and you know, shades of 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: what's real, what's imagined, and where the devil is in 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: the details of this HR report. But certainly a lot, 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: a lot of questions to be answered here. And while 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: we know there are plenty of lawyers retained. 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: By the PA, they have. 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: Grievances and now an extra thing on their desk as 52 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: we get ready for a new campaign. 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm pretty look, I I'm pretty indifferent to this 54 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 6: story so far. 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 5: And here's why. 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 6: I think that even with guarantees voided in this contract, 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 6: somebody will probably end up getting a very talented player, 58 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 6: you know, for relatively cheap, right, you know, because with 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 6: some of the bad press what may come make may 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 6: come an opportunity to to get a cost savings potentially. 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: You know. 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 6: Then you look at it from the other standpoint, well, 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 6: the the implications of this story, what's being accused or alleged, 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 6: and you say, wow, that's kind of that's kind of 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 6: odd behavior in a workplace for any employee or coworker 66 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 6: to kiss another coworker, especially when that coworker is not 67 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 6: expecting to be kissed. You know that definitely goes beyond 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 6: the workplace etiquette, right, But I mean in a league 69 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 6: where we've put up with, you know, convicted womanizers, you know, 70 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 6: domestic violence rapists, I mean, this seems like I'm not 71 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 6: saying this isn't an upsetting story for the party involved. 72 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that this is acceptable. 73 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 6: I'm not trying to say by comparison, this is lesser 74 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 6: than But in reality, I think this is going to 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 6: be a camp story. 76 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 5: It's probably going to be out of the news. 77 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 6: Cycle soon and everybody's just going to move on with 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 6: their lives. I unless this story gets much much weirder 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 6: from here, Mike, I think this is all going to 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 6: be resolved as soon as he finds a landing spot. 81 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: What Zor says, the interaction was played full. Teammate objected. 82 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: This allegedly happened last week in a team meeting room, 83 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: and that's where the story is. As we said, to 84 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: your point, it's it's a league where we've seen plenty 85 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: of egregious acts and incidents. 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 5: Where the. 87 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: Whatever it is, even to the terms of prison time. 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: Right, go back to Michael Vick and the dog fighting 89 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: time served, time away opportunity, and he went and he 90 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: made another fortune, done a lot of good work in 91 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: the PostScript and everything else, but at the time a 92 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: lot of eyebrows raised and certainly the ire of a 93 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: lot of people across the country. Found his way back 94 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: onto an NFL sideline and under center. And now he's 95 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: a guy that has done a lot of good works 96 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: in the aftermath, but certainly at the time it was 97 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: a very big deal. To your point, plenty of others, right, 98 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: domestic violence issues. Ray Rice never got back on a 99 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: football field, but you know has restored he and his 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: wife some of his reputation in the years after. But 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: certainly it's shone a light on a whole other part. 102 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: Right now, we're waiting on suspension for Rashi Rice on 103 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: some others, and we go plenty of history in the NFL. Curious, 104 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: you know the level that it rose to that it 105 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 3: was an HR complaint, Just curious. Then with the timing 106 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: of the failed physical slash return to the duty where 107 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: you get the release by the Raiders. That's the curiosity, 108 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: I guess in terms of what else shows up in 109 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: the file, whether the teammate will come forward and speak, 110 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: or other other details that we get. But to your 111 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: point he probably gets a payout at some point of that, 112 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: some portion of that remaining thirty five point two million, 113 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: and plenty of coaches will be standing in line with 114 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: the GMS to run him through the paces, to try 115 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: to get him on the football field, because there's no 116 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: knowing whatever he is in the larger scale outside of 117 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: the football field, in between the white lines, he's a 118 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: terror for opposing lineman and quarterbacks. 119 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Look, he's formidable. 120 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 6: And this is a league where if you pose a 121 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 6: challenge for offenses, you're going to be compensated extremely well. 122 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 6: If you can't play nicely in the sandbox though, meaning 123 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 6: you can't get along with your teammates, or you are 124 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 6: an outlier in an outlier business, and I'm not talking 125 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 6: about in a positive way, well then you're going to 126 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 6: run out of rope eventually. 127 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. 128 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 6: People will stop, you know, throwing the lifesaver in the 129 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 6: water for you. But the first incident, especially again not 130 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 6: for the party involved, I'm sure that was. Whatever this 131 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 6: situation is. However much truth there is to this situation 132 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 6: with the forehead kiss that's being debated and bandied about, 133 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 6: if there is truth to that, somebody felt deeply affected 134 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 6: by that, and I'm sure I would have a similar reaction. 135 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 6: That sounds unwarranted and uncouth in all the things. However, again, 136 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 6: in the scale of things that we've heard and reacted 137 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 6: to over the years, I think this is a relatively 138 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 6: minimal one in terms of how much it's going to 139 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 6: affect Christian Wilkins' career. Will it follow him for a 140 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 6: little bit, Yeah, sure, Is he going to have to 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 6: answer questions about it, absolutely, Like you mentioned Mikey, Will 142 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 6: the player who remains anonymous right now, at some point 143 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 6: come out and tell his side of the story. 144 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's possible as well. 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 6: And I'm sure the team, the coach, the GM, maybe 146 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 6: some of his teammates are going to have to talk 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: about what kind of character guy he is in the 148 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 6: locker room with whatever team he lands in, and then 149 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 6: this story is going to most likely go away, especially 150 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 6: if he ends up having a good season. It may 151 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: get brought up on broadcasts, but it'll only last for 152 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 6: a single season, and in the grand scheme of life 153 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 6: and football, that's not that long. And so I think 154 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 6: this is one of those training camp stories that seems 155 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 6: really really important, Like in the in the short run, right, 156 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 6: you know, because there aren't as many storylines to follow 157 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 6: right now, but here pretty soon with the NFL news cycle, 158 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: it's going to start going into hyper drive and this 159 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 6: is going to be a distant memory in two weeks. 160 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of it just again goes into timing 161 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: with the release. How much this ight in? What is 162 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: there a preponderance of evidence of other instances that had 163 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: already been long down of the players talent of the player, right, 164 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: I mean special rules for special people. I mean the 165 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: one that's always the sighted is the you know, Jimmy 166 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: Johnson and his special rules. If this guy falls asleep, fired, 167 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: Troy Aikman falls asleep, I wake him up and catch 168 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 3: him up on what we just talked about, right, I mean, 169 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 3: it's just it's just a different process. And certainly you 170 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: were in plenty of locker rooms and dealt with myriad issues. 171 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: That's why the HR component of this is so curious 172 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: to me, though, Rich And to your point, it probably 173 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: doesn't spiral into much more and and he gets back 174 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: on the field and it becomes a footnote to a 175 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: lot of this. 176 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 4: But in the interim, I'm sure there have been. 177 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: Plenty of instances of guys getting on each other's nerves 178 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: or pushing a line in a locker room that didn't 179 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: end up in an HR, you know, yellow fold. 180 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 6: It also suggests to me, and I hate to be 181 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 6: a conspiracy theorist, and I know that's a dirty word, 182 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 6: but or phrase, but let's be honest with each other. 183 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 6: How often do we hear human re sources brought up 184 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 6: as part of an NFL conversation. 185 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: So that's that's exactly what, right, That's what the thing is. 186 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, raises the eyebrows, and it has everybody trying to 187 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: figure out the smell test here. 188 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 6: If I'm being perfectly honest, this this, this sounds to 189 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 6: me like if if there was an actual HR reporting, 190 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 6: it may have been strongly encouraged by somebody who really 191 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 6: wanted to avoid his contract because maybe maybe there were 192 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: other less tangible things to hang on Christian Wilkins. Maybe 193 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 6: it was attitudinal, Maybe it was you know, just again, 194 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 6: how how he how well he played in the sandbox. 195 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 6: Maybe he was a pain in the neck to his teammates. 196 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 6: Maybe he was showing up, you know, for for meetings 197 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 6: ill prepared, and yeah, you could sit there and find 198 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 6: a guy and find a guy and find a guy. 199 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 6: But you know, if you you want to cut out 200 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 6: a cancer, but you don't want to do it at 201 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 6: a cost to the team, that is going to put 202 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 6: you in a spot, especially with a new staff, you know, 203 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 6: Pete Carroll and company taking over there put you in 204 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 6: a spot financially where you can't recoup for a year, 205 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 6: maybe two years, or recover from that. 206 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: Kind of payout. Well, then you find a different way. 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 6: So it almost feels like to me that somebody within 208 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 6: the organization said, hey, are you one hundred percent sure 209 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 6: what you just told me happened actually happened. 210 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, coach, it did. Yeah, And I. 211 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 6: Didn't like it, and I didn't want to throw any punches, 212 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 6: but that's where I was at. I was about to 213 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 6: square off with this guy. Hey, why don't you do this. Well, 214 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 6: let's go through the appropriate channels. Let's talk to the 215 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 6: head coach and the general manager. Oh yeah, well these 216 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 6: sort of complaints. We're so glad that you brought this 217 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 6: to our attention. You know what we need to escalate 218 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 6: this to HR Yes, yes, yes, yes, let's create a 219 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 6: paper trail. So as you're speaking to the human resources 220 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 6: representative here in Las Vegas with the Raiders. We take 221 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 6: these very seriously. We'll have a stenographer president. We'll make 222 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 6: sure all of our eyes are dotted, all of our 223 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: teaser cross this way. If this ever comes up in 224 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 6: contract litigation when we try and to avoid a guarantee, 225 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 6: we can make sure that everything's been filed appropriately. And 226 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 6: that's unfortunately my suspicion brings me to that sure. 227 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 3: And that's the thing, right trying to figure out timing 228 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: down distant severity of issues and whether you know the 229 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: foot was pressed on the scale to tip it over 230 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: is certainly the curiosity in all of this. He's rich 231 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 3: Orenberger in for Jason Smith. I'm Mike Carmon from the 232 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio studios here in Los Angeles, rich down 233 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 3: in beautiful San Diago. As we continue here at Fox 234 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: Sports Radio, I want to go to the other side 235 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: of the union stuff. Maybe I'm more curious than most 236 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: as related to the current issues that are facing them, 237 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: but also looking at the NFL as a whole as 238 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: we get ready for the Hall of Fame game, what 239 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: stands out from our early training camp reports. We'll do 240 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: that as we continue here. 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Welcome back in 251 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon. Jason may now 252 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: come back because the Mets winning streak is over as 253 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: the Padres walk it off, much to the happiness of 254 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: our guy, rich Orberger, who's in for him tonight. So 255 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: it gives you something positive to start your day on 256 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: San Diego Radio in the morning. I love it, Thank you. 257 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 5: I think that it's so funny. My reaction when I 258 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 5: saw the walk off was. 259 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 6: Gosh, that is just the most Mets outcome you could 260 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 6: possibly have asked for. Although I will say this, had 261 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 6: the roles been reversed. 262 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 5: You could easily say the same thing about the Padres. 263 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 6: It's just those two franchises are kind of inexorably linked 264 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 6: by some of some of the most long standing bad 265 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 6: luck streaks you could possibly endure. 266 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 5: However, I will say this, the Mets have done it. 267 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: They've won a championship. The Padres are still. 268 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: Searching, still searching. 269 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: We'll circle back to the Padres and their interaction with 270 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: a team from nineteen eighty four and Eligend who passed 271 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: as we celebrate and commemorate the life of Brian Samberg, 272 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: who passed away a little bit earlier in the evening 273 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: at the ages sixty five prostate cancer spread throughout his body. 274 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: So we'll go back to one of his finest moments 275 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: from that MVP campaign, because it's always a good, good 276 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: excuse to go back to a big game and to 277 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: hear the dulce talents of Harry Carey on the call. 278 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: But we're talking about the Wilkins situation. But I wanted 279 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: to bring it back out larger scale. Rich is a 280 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: guy who played in the league and as friends in 281 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: the league. 282 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: And have been around it as long as you have. 283 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: The curious case of the NFLPA as it stands right 284 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: now in disrepair and long we've kind of looked at 285 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: it and said, well, Roger Goodell got over here, he 286 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: got over here and you're always all right, the fracturing 287 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: of the Players Association and the union for the idea 288 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: of the guys all the way across the strata, right 289 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: the forty million dollar guys to the guys trying to 290 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: just hang with the roster, to get a year of 291 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: service and all of those those kind of things, and 292 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: trying to get everybody on board with the different things 293 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: that are pushed in front of them. And now you 294 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: get into the books and go into the full tinfoil 295 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: hat conspiracy theory, as we did a little bit with 296 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: the Wilkins story and HR getting involved. I want to 297 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: know who ordered the code read on Lloyd Howell's car 298 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 3: service and whatever wings he ordered at the strip club 299 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 3: down down there at Tootsi's cause I got to imagine 300 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 3: there's a lot more expenses and a lot bigger dollar 301 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: amounts that are there for consulting firms and everything else, 302 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: but for those to get flagged. How much else was 303 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: going on that has yet to surface? 304 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 6: This story is really deeply disappointing from the standpoint of 305 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 6: former player. What Lloyd Howell did was take advantage of 306 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 6: well intentioned, hardworking people who are you know, literally fighting 307 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 6: and singing for their supper on Sundays. 308 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 5: And that may sound like I'm I'm. 309 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 6: Really really under informing or or I guess that's not 310 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 6: that's not really it under inflating the massive salaries some 311 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 6: of these players make, and by comparison, when you look 312 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 6: at what an average American takes home, Uh, there's not 313 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 6: going to be a lot of pity or weeping for 314 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 6: rich athletes. But I will say this, any union, the 315 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 6: goal of that union is to stand against more powerful 316 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 6: and sometimes onerous owners who are trying to take advantage 317 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 6: of certain situations and you know, essentially get more for less. 318 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 6: And in the NFL, unfortunately that has been the case 319 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 6: for years and years and years, and it's because of 320 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 6: a weak union. And I say that as a member 321 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 6: an NFL card carrying member of the NFLPA former players, 322 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 6: you know, we are the many because the guys who 323 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 6: are currently in the league you don't think about it 324 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 6: as much when. 325 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 5: You're playing, but one day you're going to be one 326 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 5: of us. 327 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 6: And the hope is while you're there, you can make 328 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 6: lasting change that's going to help you after your career 329 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 6: ends as well. 330 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 5: And it's hard. 331 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 6: To relay that kind of advice and information without strong 332 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 6: leadership when you have an average career length of less 333 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 6: than three years. 334 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: Well, and that's with a very long tail at the 335 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 3: end of that, right, if we do the distribution of 336 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 3: guys who have a game or two or a small 337 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: smattering of appearances before they're out of the league, as 338 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: opposed to some of these others that are in fifteen 339 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: to twenty years, and with that the salaries, the bank 340 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 3: the banked monies and all of those which, when we 341 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: get down to it, it's imperfect dissemination of information at 342 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: any level. But then once you boil it down to 343 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: what each individual piece of the players Association, right, what's 344 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 3: most important to them that's on the table, is going 345 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: to be vastly different depending where they are on that spectrum. 346 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 347 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 6: Well, and then also, okay, so to break this down 348 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 6: for anybody who has never been in a union or 349 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 6: anybody who's kind of unfamiliar with how the players' union works. 350 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 6: I was an alternate rep during my time, and it 351 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 6: was only for a single year, and that's because I 352 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 6: retired from football in effect the next season. 353 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 5: That wasn't my goal. 354 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 6: My goal was to continue playing and continue becoming more 355 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 6: and more active in the NFLPA, the player union. But 356 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 6: the problem is in oftentimes you have to wait behind 357 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 6: other veteran players to get involved, and then once you 358 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 6: get involved. 359 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 5: You have to be re voted as a rep. 360 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 6: If you switch teams, sometimes the new team you're playing 361 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 6: for they already got their reps, so you have to 362 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: sit out, you know. 363 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: So that's how it works at the player level. 364 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 6: Now, at the executive level, they have an executive committee 365 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 6: of players who come together and help make some of 366 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 6: the bigger decisions, you know. 367 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 5: And then you have a. 368 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 6: Group of board members who are voted in by the players. 369 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 6: And I think this happens every two to four years. 370 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 6: There has to be a re election, and the executive 371 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: director position is a voted on position. And this executive 372 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 6: director was abusing funds to go to strip clubs and 373 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 6: to do other things, and it's just disrespectful to the mission. 374 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 5: By the way. 375 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 6: Also, the group he was with, you know, was was 376 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 6: also at different various points interested in becoming minority. 377 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: Pieces and stuff. 378 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, which which is deplorable behavior. Because you're 379 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 6: playing both sides of the aisle, you cannot possibly have 380 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 6: clear conscious or or or be looking at things objectively 381 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 6: for one side. If you're in bed with the other side, 382 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 6: it's just not how life works. 383 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 5: And so these are these are the things that. 384 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 6: We're perpetrated against the players that unfortunately will will have 385 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 6: a lasting effect because while the NFLPA has to go 386 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 6: now and search for a new executive director, the NFL owners, 387 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 6: many of them, have been in place for decades and 388 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 6: decades and decades, and so they have their plan the 389 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 6: next time they come to the renegotiation table with the players, 390 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 6: to strike another And the players right now are scrambling. 391 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 6: And that's an enormous problem and an enormous disadvantage with 392 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 6: an already disadvantaged union in. 393 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 5: These these sort of these these sort. 394 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 6: Of negotiations that happen every now feels like every ten years, 395 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 6: but every eight years certainly with the owners as these 396 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 6: contracts have become longer and longer. 397 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: And notice how in the midst of all of these investigations, 398 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: how suddenly Mike Brown, who I don't remember having really 399 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: heard a lot from him in the past, suddenly was 400 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 3: so verbal about the Hendrickson stuff and the Shamar Stewart 401 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones kind of saying talking about guarantees and 402 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: going extreme with some of his examples of what could 403 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: happen with players and all so emboldened as the leadership 404 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: of the PA gets looked at in a whole different way. 405 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: I may actually read Demorris Smith's book now, I'm slightly 406 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: more interested in his trials and tribulations of his former. 407 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: Job as in the head of the PA. 408 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: And also, you know, there can be legitimate business expenses 409 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: at a strip club. 410 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: You know, let's let's not conflate the two. I mean, 411 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 4: you can. 412 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: Go get a business businessman's lunch and talk business. 413 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 5: Of course. 414 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 6: I mean he doesn't need crab legs at you know, 415 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 6: twelve noon. I mean, I think everybody, everybody should have 416 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 6: that option. 417 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 4: Hey, that buffet is a good deal. What are you 418 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 4: talking about, Rich? 419 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: He's Rich Hornberger and for Jason Mike Carmon here at 420 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. We've got plenty of time to do 421 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: this in earnest tomorrow, but we'll do a little look around. 422 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: And Rich once participated in these fall Hall of Fame 423 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 3: Game ceremonies, so we'll talk about that in a moment. 424 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 3: But first, for the final time tonight, we take a 425 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: trip to the news desk for Steve desager. I was 426 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: gonna give you a nice, big welcome, but the last 427 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: time you kind of threw it back at me like 428 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: you were to kembe Mutambo and waved at. 429 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 7: Me with a Shakespeare quote. Yeah no, exactly, thank you, 430 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 7: thank you. Everything's final in Major League Baseball, and what 431 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 7: a ballgame it was in San Diego. Tonight, the Padres 432 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 7: closer Robert Suarez gave up a tying solo homer to 433 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 7: the Mets in the top of the ninth. Padres score 434 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 7: bottom of the ninth to win Anyway seven to six 435 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 7: over New York, ending the Mets seven game winning streak. 436 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 7: The Mets are first in the NL E, still a 437 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 7: game and a half over the Phillies, who lost at 438 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 7: the White Sox six to two, and the losing pitcher 439 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 7: was Christopher Sanchez, who had been nine and two this year. 440 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 7: Washington sent Houston to a fifth straight loss, two to one. 441 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 7: From Erveld has no decision despite twelve strikeouts in six innings. 442 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 7: The Angels ended the Texas six game winning streak six 443 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 7: to four. 444 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: The loss to Jacob de Grom, who. 445 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 7: Had been ten and two, but tonight allowed five runs 446 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 7: in five and a third innings. San Francisco a sixty 447 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 7: five winner at sam excuse me, Pittsburgh a six to 448 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 7: five winner as San Francisco left twelve men on base. 449 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 7: Seattle beat the A's three to one that ends the 450 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 7: Athletics four game winning streak seven innings on the hill 451 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 7: for Luis Castillo, the winning pitcher. By the way, Nick 452 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 7: Kurtz of the A's is the AL Player of the Week. 453 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: He had a four. 454 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 7: Homer game last week. Also by the way, Baseball's trade 455 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 7: deadline is Thursday. 456 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 4: Ay you. 457 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 7: Henneo Suarez of the Diamondbacks was injured tonight. Left the game, 458 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 7: a five to one loss at Detroit as he was 459 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 7: hit by a pitch on the hand. He says X 460 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 7: rays were negative. This is a Detroit team that had 461 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 7: lost six straight until yesterday's win. So the last three weeks, 462 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 7: Tiger's record is up to three and twelve. Detroit acquired 463 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 7: pitcher Chris Paddock from Minnesota. Tiger's pitcher Reese Olsen is 464 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 7: out for the year with a strange shoulder. Guardian's closer 465 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 7: Emmanuel Clause is on paid leave after a sports betting investigation. 466 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 7: Without him, Colorado scored four runs in the ninth and 467 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 7: one at Cleveland eight to six. There was a rain 468 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 7: delay at the start there of two and a half hours. 469 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 7: Colorado's record now twenty eight and seventy eight. Baltimore hit 470 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 7: four home runs and defeated first place Toronto eleven to four. 471 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 7: Ohs catcher Adleie Rushman, off the injured list, had a 472 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 7: two run double among his three hits. The lost to 473 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 7: Chris Basset, who had been eleven and four for the 474 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 7: Blue Jays. George Springer left hit by a pitch on 475 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 7: the helmet late. 476 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: In the game. 477 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 7: The Dodgers held on five too at Cincinnati, ending the 478 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 7: Reds four game winning streak. The Reds left base is 479 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 7: loaded in the ninth, the win to Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Nine 480 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 7: strikeouts in seven inning show Heyo Tani with a two 481 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 7: run double, but LA's Tommy Edmund did not play due 482 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 7: to an ankle injury. The Dodger lead over the Padres 483 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 7: this month July third, was nine games. It is down 484 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 7: to four now. The Dodgers have a record since July 485 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 7: third of just six and thirteen. Although lefty pitcher Blake 486 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 7: Snell should return to LA later this week. Dodger third 487 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 7: baseman Max Monsey due to start rehab. Tuesday at Triple A, 488 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 7: Tampa Bay ended a four game losing streak, beating the 489 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 7: Yankees in New York four to two. Minnesota fell fell 490 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 7: behind in the top of the ninth, then a rain 491 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 7: delay before the bottom of the ninth. They finally come 492 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 7: back two runs bottom of the night. The Twins win 493 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 7: five to four over Boston. Brewers and Cubs were tied 494 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 7: for first in the NL Central. Today, the Cubs gave 495 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 7: team president Jed Hoyer an extension. Milwaukee beat the Cubs 496 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 7: tonight eight four. The losing pitcher, All Star Matthew Boyd, 497 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 7: who had been eleven and three wins for Saint Louis 498 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 7: and Atlanta Hall of Famer from the Cubs, Ryan Sandberg, 499 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 7: passed away at the age of sixty five. The Broncos 500 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 7: gave wide receiver Courtland Sutton a four year extension. The 501 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 7: Titans waived wide receiver Trailon Burke's return ban Corderyl Patterson 502 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 7: says he's been cut by the Steelers. The Colts gave 503 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 7: tackle Bernard Ryman a four year extension. Tonight, Tampa Bay 504 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 7: reworked the contract of quarterback Baker Mayfield. He now has 505 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 7: thirty million dollars guaranteed for next year, and an injury. 506 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 4: At Dallas camp. 507 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 7: Tackle Tyler Geiden reportedly will miss four to six weeks. 508 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: Though he did not tear his aco. 509 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 7: Just two WNBA games Seattle won at Connecticut The Sun 510 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 7: four and twenty one. Now Dallas at home beat New 511 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 7: York the Liberty without Brianna Stewart due to a leg injury, 512 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 7: Angel Reached due to come back from injury and play tomorrow, 513 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 7: and LA's cameraon Brink due to play on Tuesday after 514 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 7: missing over a year with a torn acl and at 515 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 7: women's soccer on FS one, Columbia one at semifinal and 516 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 7: Copa America on penalty Kicksover Argentina the other semi also 517 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 7: on FS one Tuesday night, Brazil against Uraguay. 518 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: Back to you, fantastic stuff, Thanks Steve, We'll see you tomorrow, 519 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: rich Orburger, and for Jason Smith, I'm Mike Carmon here 520 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: from the Fox Sports Radio Studios and rich Hall of 521 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: Fame game this week, your former squad Chargers taking on 522 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions. As we get ready for actual NFL action, 523 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: It just seems like guys were reporting and starting to 524 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: get their dorm rooms settled. We had tales of Aaron 525 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: Rodgers talking about don't flush because it's too loud in 526 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 3: the dorms there at Latrobe and everything else. But you know, 527 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: you played in this game years ago. I mean, it's 528 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: good to just get after it because normally, don't We 529 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: want to see guys fight a little bit, because that 530 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: way we know they're ready, Like when that meat thermometer 531 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 3: pops up in your turkey and says, all right, it's 532 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: time to go. 533 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: Let's go time. 534 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say it's always as better to hit 535 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 6: a jersey color that's not your own. 536 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 5: You know, that definitely helps. 537 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 6: But I will say this, Obviously, playing in a Hall 538 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 6: of Fame game avails your team or you specifically, especially 539 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 6: if you're one of the expanded roster bubble players who 540 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 6: are just trying to make a roster. It can give 541 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 6: you a new opportunity, another opportunity, I should say, But 542 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 6: it also can avail a higher risk of injury every 543 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 6: single game you play in. Obviously it comes with an 544 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 6: abundance of risk. But look, don't expect to see many, 545 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 6: if any of the starters playing this game for either 546 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 6: the Chargers or the Lions. 547 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 5: If they do expect just a series worth of work. 548 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 5: If that. 549 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 6: The preseason has largely become performative in the NFL, I. 550 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 5: Think there is some value. 551 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 6: There will be those stories that you hear across league circles. 552 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 6: This guy, we weren't sure about him, and then he 553 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 6: had that big punt return in the fourth preseason game. 554 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 6: He didn't even play in the first two. We were 555 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame game and then the next one, 556 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 6: and then he played a little bit in game three, 557 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 6: but then he had this miraculous punt return. He made 558 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 6: the team as a returner, and the rest is history. Right, 559 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 6: He's now our best receiver. Yeah, they'll they'll be those stories. 560 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 6: But for all those stories, there's plenty of Yeah, the 561 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 6: preseason took our greatest player. 562 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: Off the field because he tore his acl. 563 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 6: Or the preseason, you know, we rested all of our 564 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 6: starters the entire preseason because we don't believe that's a 565 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 6: necessary step in our process. There's plenty of that now too, 566 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 6: And I think we're gonna get to a point where 567 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 6: this league expands to eighteen games in the regular season 568 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 6: and drops down to two preseason games discluding. 569 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 5: Of course, this week's game. The Hall of Fame game. 570 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you look at the Hall of 571 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: Fame game, the extra week has has some positives to 572 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: it in that, you know, we talk about the union 573 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: stuff and what's been legislated and negotiated with the fewer 574 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: workouts and practices and rules for the off season, that 575 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: actually getting everybody together for a couple extra days is 576 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: probably not the worst thing in the world, even if 577 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: all you're doing is a bunch of calisthetics. 578 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 579 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the reality is the more a team 580 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 6: gets it gets opportunities to practice together, especially preparing for 581 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 6: an opponent, the more used to that that process everybody becomes. 582 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 6: And and while training camp is tedious and it is 583 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 6: a lot of repetition of things that have already been 584 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 6: hammered deeply, deeply, deeply into your memory banks, it is 585 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 6: it is an important part of the process. I don't 586 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 6: know how long training camp needs to be. I would 587 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 6: easily be able to debate that it could be shorter, sure, 588 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 6: but I do think there's a need for it. And 589 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 6: I do think that as a result, especially when you're 590 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 6: competing against other teams that are doing the same exact 591 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 6: thing you are practicing, whenever they're allowed to practice outside 592 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 6: of the rare canceled practice. 593 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 5: You need to have that. 594 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 6: As part of the puzzle so that you can feeld 595 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 6: a competent team come game one of the season and 596 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 6: game one of the season. 597 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 5: Even though it's weeks away. 598 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 6: I mean, especially in terms of what's on the player's mind. 599 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 5: That's just around the corner. 600 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,239 Speaker 3: No, it's it tick tick tick, clock is ticking. I 601 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 3: just remember doing my training camp travels all those years 602 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: ago in the one hundred degree days in Latrobe with 603 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: ten thousand people sweating their asses off just for a 604 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: glimpse at a couple of Ben Roethlisberger throws and such. 605 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: So the respect of that the two a days once 606 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: spawn a time, and today they were all celebrating, fans 607 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: and media alike that a number of teams actually put 608 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 3: pads on, So there was a little bit of excitement 609 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: going on in that regard as well. See I just 610 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 3: brought you back down memory lane there, Rich Hornberger. So 611 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 3: you celebrated as you will at Ornberger at Swollen Dome 612 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 3: where you find us. We paid tribute to a legend. 613 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 3: Welcome another legend back who had a big presser earlier today. 614 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: And then singing for your supper. Yeah, that's right. 615 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 3: A famous fast food chain in the news for a 616 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: new partnership, and I gotta say it's brilliant. We'll do 617 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 3: it next because maybe I'll need some fast food on 618 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 3: the way home. We'll talk about it. 619 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith 620 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven 621 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: pm Pacific.