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Speaker 1: dot com deuce your initial thoughts after the game? What
Speaker 1: do you got? Very sloppy start. I think that was
Speaker 1: what was most jarring to me. The you know, you
Speaker 1: knew the Colts prey off a turnovers. They came out,
Speaker 1: Gunner had a fumblely fumbled it out Mac with the interceptions. Uh,
Speaker 1: they kind of you know, book ended the halftime with
Speaker 1: those two turnovers there. Uh, you know, credit to Indie.
Speaker 1: They came out, they played hard, they dominated both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball, and I, you know, I do I
Speaker 1: do like a little bit of fight. The Patriots showed
Speaker 1: down the end, but in the end it just wasn't
Speaker 1: It just wasn't enough. Certainly not enough at the end.
Speaker 1: But they did show some fight there toward the end
Speaker 1: of the game. And and maybe fight is the wrong word.
Speaker 1: I think offensively they finally got a few things to click. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would echo a lot of what what Mike said.
Speaker 1: I just think that they they kind of reverted to
Speaker 1: the team that we saw in the first half of
Speaker 1: the season tonight with the penalties, the turnovers, the block
Speaker 1: punt third one of the season, just overall sloppiness. They
Speaker 1: kind of made it easy. I do think they did
Speaker 1: some things reasonably well tonight, But and I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: hear from Bill Belichick later, not nearly enough and not
Speaker 1: nearly consistent enough. Even the things they did well, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would agree, you know, I don't ever expect
Speaker 1: the Patriots to roll over and die. And they didn't
Speaker 1: roll over and die even twenty to nothing. You know,
Speaker 1: that to me is not even on the table. Like
Speaker 1: the Patriots sort of you know, capacity to fight, that's
Speaker 1: not a question. It hasn't been in question really since
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. They haven't had a team that
Speaker 1: I think has has just been a bunch of quitters ever,
Speaker 1: So that's a given to me. But everything else tonight
Speaker 1: just wasn't good enough. And I would, you know, I
Speaker 1: think going to spend a lot of time on a
Speaker 1: bad list time, Yeah, we are. But I gotta say,
Speaker 1: for as good as you can feel about, you know,
Speaker 1: a game where they played as poorly as they did,
Speaker 1: a game that they ended up losing, I feel oddly
Speaker 1: okay just because of the way they were able to
Speaker 1: turn things around a little bit offensively at the end,
Speaker 1: and the defense was able to make a couple of plays.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a complete embarrassment, It wasn't a disaster. It
Speaker 1: was kind of that humbling game that I thought maybe
Speaker 1: this team could get some benefit from and and also
Speaker 1: puts them into position to where now that game against
Speaker 1: Buffalo next week, I still think Buffalo is a better
Speaker 1: football team than the Colts. They're going to be here
Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium a week from tomorrow. You get that win,
Speaker 1: and you're right this ship that way, you still got
Speaker 1: a few games, You've still got, you know, the postseason
Speaker 1: to look forward to here hopefully and put yourself in
Speaker 1: a position to where you're not thinking about rattling off
Speaker 1: in eleven game win streak to end the season. That's
Speaker 1: done with. Now, Okay, you got your wish now a
Speaker 1: little bit I did. I'm glad that he said it,
Speaker 1: So don't you don't have to argue with me, because
Speaker 1: I know you yell at me if I said it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they're going to run the table. I
Speaker 1: didn't either, But that doesn't mean I was hoping that
Speaker 1: they wouldn't, you know, for like, and I know you
Speaker 1: weren't hoping that they would. Don't take that literally. I
Speaker 1: mean your feeling was they needed to lose a game
Speaker 1: like for their for their betterment, you know kind of
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that accurate? I don't want to
Speaker 1: put words yet. I don't want to They need it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need it to lose your I think they needed
Speaker 1: a bit of a reality check that you that you get.
Speaker 1: I think they needed a reality check in that it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, if we play our game,
Speaker 1: even if we don't play one hundred percent, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna play it. You know, that much harder in between
Speaker 1: coaching and a slid defense, and you know what, sometimes
Speaker 1: that games don't go your weight. It is not okay
Speaker 1: to go out there and play as poorly as you did,
Speaker 1: for as much as you did, and and and think
Speaker 1: that you can still win. Because they've had a couple
Speaker 1: of games where certain aspects, whether it was offensively almost
Speaker 1: exclusively offensively, they didn't really have it going and they
Speaker 1: ended up with wins anyway. So now you saw it.
Speaker 1: You saw it tonight against a team that's that's not fantastic,
Speaker 1: but it's a good enough football team who's also offense
Speaker 1: didn't do much tonight. Carson Wentz certainly didn't do much tonight.
Speaker 1: There was one guy run out there in um almost
Speaker 1: got the Patriots back in the game. And that's why
Speaker 1: even like you know, I'm not really here much for
Speaker 1: a lot of the positives that we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about here, because I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of like we're trying to talk
Speaker 1: ourselves into. I will say this in terms of like
Speaker 1: individual play kind of stuff. The last touchdown passed that
Speaker 1: Mac threw to Hunter Henry might be the best throw
Speaker 1: that Hunter that Mac Jones made all year. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal throw a very tight window. So there
Speaker 1: were enough. He didn't really anything else a none of
Speaker 1: those moments at the end. It's all right, not a
Speaker 1: complete embarrassment. This team is not, you know, complete fools gold. Nope.
Speaker 1: They they played poorly. They found some stuff at the end,
Speaker 1: and they got a good dose of reality shoved in
Speaker 1: their face tonight, which good teams will learn from and
Speaker 1: benefit from for the rest of the way. Let's let's
Speaker 1: get to our good, the bad, and the training room
Speaker 1: list here. Now it's time for the good. Pretty good, prithee,
Speaker 1: pretty good. The bad. If you were in my toilet, ball.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bother flushing and the training room. You you
Speaker 1: want a backrup presented by there good, good, the bad
Speaker 1: in the training room. It's hard to do so. And
Speaker 1: Paul Parilla bringing you the very short good list tonight
Speaker 1: for the Patriots deuce, you want to lead us off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta. I gotta lead off with Hunter Henry. I
Speaker 1: mean two touchdowns six for seventy seven. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he was their best player tonight. I had hundred also, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's I think it's an easy one. But great players
Speaker 1: seeing there, nice nice catching the end zone. Paul mentioned
Speaker 1: the second one, real nice throw from mackin and you know,
Speaker 1: I think Henry just watching you have a Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the first one. That's not the second one. The second
Speaker 1: one is the one I just thought. Um was was
Speaker 1: phenomenal on Max part. But I agree with you rifled
Speaker 1: it in there. He's become He's been consistent. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just he's I mean, obviously the last couple games
Speaker 1: a little quiet, but coming back on and I mean
Speaker 1: he continues to have a really solid season here in
Speaker 1: his first year. Yeah, he had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a lull, and I'm not talking about last week when
Speaker 1: the passing game wasn't part of it. But um, you
Speaker 1: know tonight, I know a lot of people, you guys
Speaker 1: talked in the pre game about the Colts having some
Speaker 1: struggles with tight ends. I don't really think that that
Speaker 1: was overly evident tonight. I think that the Colts defense
Speaker 1: dominated this game and gave up a you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of whole by the way drives at the end
Speaker 1: when you know, I think they will playing in the
Speaker 1: time they were playing the score in the time that
Speaker 1: throw though, Like I don't care what the time of
Speaker 1: the game is right here, like this is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a special throw. He puts it
Speaker 1: right on the just as a point of comparison, I
Speaker 1: thought Carson Wentz had the positive, you know, the chance
Speaker 1: to do that a couple of times put it on
Speaker 1: the right side or the left side of a receiver
Speaker 1: and consistently was putting it on the wrong side and
Speaker 1: allowing passes to get tipped. And he finally got burned
Speaker 1: with one of them in the fourth quarter. But I
Speaker 1: agree with my counter Henry was by far and away
Speaker 1: I think the most productive Patriot tonight. YEP. And in
Speaker 1: terms of that last throbe haul, the one that we're
Speaker 1: just looking at again here. You know it says it's
Speaker 1: what we said about Brady so many times. He put
Speaker 1: it where only his guy was going to be able
Speaker 1: to catch it. There's only one guy could catch that ball.
Speaker 1: Henry made the catch there, and it was just when
Speaker 1: that ball left mac Jones's hands. I'll guarantee you Darius
Speaker 1: Leonard thought he had another pick. Yeah, without question. All right,
Speaker 1: who's your first and maybe only good list? We all have, Henry,
Speaker 1: So we all have one. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I don't have any individuals from here on it. And
Speaker 1: I have some things that I saw that I will mention,
Speaker 1: and I'll start with one of them. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: go in at halftime, you down seventeen nothing, and then
Speaker 1: your quarterback throws a pick and they run it back
Speaker 1: to the twenty yard line. Your defense comes out, stops
Speaker 1: and three and out forces a field goal. I thought
Speaker 1: that was incredible toughness on the part of the defense.
Speaker 1: I thought that set the tone defensively for the way
Speaker 1: they played the majority of the second half. The last
Speaker 1: two drives. I would say, you know, kind of spoiled
Speaker 1: that a little bit. But I thought that to come
Speaker 1: out and get a three and out on the twenty
Speaker 1: yard line, I thought was fantastic toughness by the defense.
Speaker 1: So I had that on my good list. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: I'll put Nick Folk on there. Well, let's just keep
Speaker 1: him there, you know, on this kind of game, just
Speaker 1: one for one. Not sure why they had him kicked
Speaker 1: that one at the end. We'll get to that part.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. Kicked it, he kicked it, and
Speaker 1: uh he made the program up coming and a couple
Speaker 1: of chance is there any did what he had to do.
Speaker 1: Nick Folk on the good list? Yeah, okay, And I
Speaker 1: might just put d back on there just for the end.
Speaker 1: For the interception. I thought that was a good play.
Speaker 1: I thought he, you know, kind of rally the troops
Speaker 1: a little bit. I know I'm grasping at straws a
Speaker 1: little bit with that, but I think he might show
Speaker 1: up later on a particularly important run late in the game. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to put you know, the secondary, you know,
Speaker 1: in just in terms of you know, we look at
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and his numbers on the night, it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, the secondary was just all over these
Speaker 1: guys in coverage. But even if that were the case,
Speaker 1: they had a couple of missed opportunities, had interceptions before
Speaker 1: the ones that they actually had. Well, I think that
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz had lots of opportunities and open receivers that
Speaker 1: he missed. Yea, yeah, that's true, And that's what's that's
Speaker 1: what's mattening. Just like as I'm going through it and
Speaker 1: looking at the stats, and I think I said it
Speaker 1: during the game, was like they did to the Patriots
Speaker 1: what the Patriots usually do, and you look at the
Speaker 1: stats and it's the same kind of thing. We're like, wow, Mac,
Speaker 1: I mean the Carson Wentz five at twelve or fifty
Speaker 1: seven yards, Like you can easily see yourself. Wow, you
Speaker 1: can see yourself Damian Harris doing that ceiling run at
Speaker 1: the end. I mean, it's just the turnovers, the block punt,
Speaker 1: I mean, all that stuff that always the Patriots do,
Speaker 1: and we knew coming in these were similar teams. I
Speaker 1: think the Colts out Patriots the Patriots, right, all right? Um,
Speaker 1: any other goods I mean individually, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna have anywhere there. I mean, I just I wrote
Speaker 1: down just to rent the red zone defense in general. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, in the second half, I think they came
Speaker 1: up with two stops down there. Um. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to gush too much because
Speaker 1: of the way the game ended and I and to me,
Speaker 1: it's the last two drives, not just the big run.
Speaker 1: The last two possessions for the Colts were very successful
Speaker 1: drives by the Colts. Um, So that was that was.
Speaker 1: That's it for me for the good. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else. You guys have nothing, Okay, that's only got
Speaker 1: not honey. All see that's a throw right there that
Speaker 1: jac Jackson almost picks off. We just showed a highlight clip.
Speaker 1: He has Pittman running to the sideline on an outpattern.
Speaker 1: He's wide open, but the throw comes way to the
Speaker 1: inside and it allows Jackson to come to come and
Speaker 1: almost pick the pass off. But this should have been
Speaker 1: an easy completion for Wentz for whatever. And he was
Speaker 1: dropping down throwing all kinds of side on throws tonight. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean that that play you watch and see
Speaker 1: he's this is NFL open right here, and the throw
Speaker 1: comes to the wrong side. That throw needs to come
Speaker 1: to the outside, and he's got the ball down to
Speaker 1: the five yard line. That's a terrible, terrible throw by
Speaker 1: by Carson. What look at how far behind that as
Speaker 1: mechanics really like I just think he was like Mahomes
Speaker 1: a little bit tonight with the sidearm stuff for no reason. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, all right, let's get onto the bad list.
Speaker 1: Um wow, I mean I just got just length. You
Speaker 1: know what you don't had, Mike. You can kick us
Speaker 1: off if you if you want to start with like
Speaker 1: the most obvious one out. I'm gonna go chronologically throughout
Speaker 1: the game probably, but we want to start us off
Speaker 1: if you got some Chronosue Isaiah, Isaiah win because I
Speaker 1: just saw another highlight package going on another monitor here.
Speaker 1: I mean there were there were multiple missed blocks. There
Speaker 1: was the one where he missed and then he turned
Speaker 1: around and ran into his own back. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just it was It would have been comical if
Speaker 1: it weren't so detrimental to the start that the Patriots had,
Speaker 1: or a lack of any kind of an offensive start.
Speaker 1: I thought Isaiah went at a really rough night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and individually he would be at one near to the
Speaker 1: top of my list. Yeah. And and again they found
Speaker 1: something toward the end of the game, and that includes
Speaker 1: the offensive line. They they weren't bringing as much pressure,
Speaker 1: but let's face it, there were times when the line
Speaker 1: looked bad early on in the game where they weren't
Speaker 1: sending the house. They were rushing four and you know,
Speaker 1: you should be able to hold your own more often
Speaker 1: than not, and that wasn't the case. So they found
Speaker 1: a little something towards the end. But I thought Isaiah
Speaker 1: went at a particularly bad night. Yeah, I'm gonna hop
Speaker 1: around here a little bit, but I gotta go with
Speaker 1: with the block punt the punt team, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just that's the third third one this year most
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Ye Jacob Johnson seemed like he was
Speaker 1: the guy most responsible for that play. Just you know,
Speaker 1: that was I think the moment you realized what role
Speaker 1: you know these guys, this is what they do, and
Speaker 1: you realized it was going in their direction early. Um,
Speaker 1: that's when it went from a start to a disaster.
Speaker 1: Exactly play. And I think just overall, I think the
Speaker 1: performance of the you know, the punt team has been
Speaker 1: a little spotty this year to begin with, and I
Speaker 1: believe I might be wrong, but I think they had
Speaker 1: another one almost blocked too. Maybe I'm misremembering that, but
Speaker 1: just a huge play and special teams. You know, usually
Speaker 1: Patriots is what you count on, full team effort, winning
Speaker 1: in all three phases, and that was points on the
Speaker 1: board the first quarter with the punt team just h
Speaker 1: he can't let it happen. Yep, Kevin and Burlington agreeing
Speaker 1: with us on that. Can we finally close the book
Speaker 1: on this waste of a first round pick. We're not
Speaker 1: going that far, he said, I get it. He occasionally
Speaker 1: run blocks well, but mixed that in with all of
Speaker 1: his penalty calls and miss blocks and he got to
Speaker 1: start wondering if he's going to get mac hurt. He
Speaker 1: tackled well tonight. Fortunately you got Rmandre Stephens can back.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he was bad. I'm like, listen, this
Speaker 1: is what we do like one day when we tell
Speaker 1: you how great they are. Right, he was really bad
Speaker 1: in this game. I thought he was most responsible for
Speaker 1: the office It's being out of sync early in the
Speaker 1: game because he was constantly allowing pressure. That running play
Speaker 1: was almost comically missus block so badly. He turned around
Speaker 1: to try to chase the guy and then ended up
Speaker 1: knocking Romandre Stevenson over for a loss, Like he was
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, like you can't have that play. And
Speaker 1: now the offensive line as a whole was really bad.
Speaker 1: But when was the worst? All right, Paul, what do
Speaker 1: you got? Uh? I had just did you say did
Speaker 1: you already say Jacob Johnson or did you know Mike
Speaker 1: mentioned the punt block that that was his and Jacob Johnson.
Speaker 1: The penalties were killers tonight and it was throughout the game. Now,
Speaker 1: this was one of the rare games that all the
Speaker 1: penalties were on the Patriots. There were very few, if any,
Speaker 1: was there one to two on the Colts. This was
Speaker 1: like on the first offensive series, I think they got
Speaker 1: two penalties then they had I mean, just just think
Speaker 1: about some of the penalties that happened during the course
Speaker 1: of the game. They get a false start Michael will
Speaker 1: when you on third and goal from like the two
Speaker 1: right in the fourth quarter. I think that was the
Speaker 1: drive they ended up kicking the field goal instead of
Speaker 1: going to the touchdown. They had a missed field goal
Speaker 1: Michael Badgeley offside who was at five yards closer he
Speaker 1: hits the second one. Uh, just like, really dumb penalties,
Speaker 1: really dumb stuff. Again, another example as Mike's I love
Speaker 1: the phrase the cults out Patriot. You know, well, how
Speaker 1: did you put it? The cults out Patriots? Patriots? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Colts did what the Patriots do. They made they
Speaker 1: made the other team make mistakes. They didn't do ANYTHINGY
Speaker 1: just waited for the Patriots to make mistakes, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: the Patriots made them all night. Yep. I had special
Speaker 1: teams down there, and that offside on the field goal
Speaker 1: was just indicative of the entire penalties as a whole
Speaker 1: were eight for fifty yards and that was and they
Speaker 1: were Brandon King jump. That was the Brandon King is
Speaker 1: the one who went off side when he was the
Speaker 1: one who was the false start or just a routine
Speaker 1: play that all teams do, the heavy adjustment of the
Speaker 1: defensive line on a on a goal, the ghost situation.
Speaker 1: Defense has nothing to lose down there. If it's off
Speaker 1: side on the defense, oh, you're moving the ball a
Speaker 1: half a yard, you know, whereas the offense you go
Speaker 1: from third and goal from the one to third and
Speaker 1: goal from the six. That's a big difference. A couple
Speaker 1: other to mention Mac delay a game that was one.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I have and you know, to kind
Speaker 1: of I guess not to pile on Mac, but I
Speaker 1: have Mac Jones on the list too. Well. Mac Jones
Speaker 1: is heavily on the bad list in this game, although
Speaker 1: he you know, he played well at the end. You know,
Speaker 1: the penalty thing, you put that under one umbrella, but
Speaker 1: you also put it in the you know, in the
Speaker 1: bullet point under Mac Jones. The delay a game which
Speaker 1: was on him his even on some of the completions
Speaker 1: he made early. He was throwing behind guys, um he
Speaker 1: was he was throwing guys into really dangerous coverage situations,
Speaker 1: and he's just he wasn't making good decisions. I mean
Speaker 1: these these these are all throws that ended up being
Speaker 1: in complete passes. You can see just how many people
Speaker 1: for the colt. I mean, this is an easy pick.
Speaker 1: Just dropped this this I can pick me bad in
Speaker 1: this game. The second point that he threw tonight was
Speaker 1: maybe his worst decision of the night. It was just
Speaker 1: you know what, you saw it happening before he threw
Speaker 1: the ball. It was one of those split second things.
Speaker 1: Sure easy for you to say. I'm not talking SloMo
Speaker 1: after the fact. I'm talking about as he has thrown
Speaker 1: that ball, I said Oh my god. But that that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be undercut. And it was the sprint out
Speaker 1: to the right, jump pass back to the left that
Speaker 1: he completes on a third down. I hated, like, I
Speaker 1: didn't like it really anything. That last throw again, the
Speaker 1: last throw to Hunter Henry was maybe his best throw
Speaker 1: of the season. Other than that, I didn't like anything
Speaker 1: that he did tonight. And I know there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. Well he he didn't win it,
Speaker 1: but he showed you, no, he didn't know, No, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He was flustered in the first drive of the third
Speaker 1: quarter when they need He was not good in this
Speaker 1: game tonight. But I'm not telling you that's a referendum
Speaker 1: on the rest of his life. No, but a lot
Speaker 1: of other people will. This is why I had a
Speaker 1: bad game tonight. I kind of oddly wanted something like
Speaker 1: this and felt this is what they needed because for
Speaker 1: everyone saying that this this team is a Super Bowl contender,
Speaker 1: watched the offense for the first three quarters of that game,
Speaker 1: and tell me that was a Super Bowl contending team.
Speaker 1: Nofens was great in the fourth quarter, no chance, No,
Speaker 1: everything felt effort, A lot of effort, everything, and that's
Speaker 1: why I you know, the Colts, it wasn't necessarily pretty
Speaker 1: except for a few things, but you could just tell
Speaker 1: right from the get go that they were playing with
Speaker 1: more energy. They were fired up, they wanted this game,
Speaker 1: that the fans are behind them, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things. And I think I think
Speaker 1: I might have said it about the Patriots against the Browns,
Speaker 1: where it's like it just jumps off the screen. You watch,
Speaker 1: you can see what team came to play today, and
Speaker 1: today it was the Colts that came to play. And
Speaker 1: I agree about the offense. It's just as much as
Speaker 1: even when they're moving the ball, it's like everything is everything.
Speaker 1: And six for fifteen on third down, one for three
Speaker 1: on fourth bound, two for four in the red zone.
Speaker 1: They didn't do anything well offensively tonight until the game
Speaker 1: was over. Like let's let's let's let's treat the Patriots
Speaker 1: like we treat the Patriots opponents right when they do
Speaker 1: stuff in garbage time, let's call it for what it is,
Speaker 1: garbage time. Garbage time. Yeah, and and and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they can't contend. I'm not saying that, you know
Speaker 1: this firmly puts them out of it. And it no,
Speaker 1: of course not because there It's like we were talking
Speaker 1: about in the pregame, there is no clear cut dominant
Speaker 1: force in either conference this year or anyone that's saying, well,
Speaker 1: all right, now that's the team. So a lot can
Speaker 1: still happen. But I think it's important for the Patriots
Speaker 1: to know and to experience firsthand that you can't play
Speaker 1: like that and expect to be considered and even think
Speaker 1: of yourselves as being ready to take it to that
Speaker 1: next level. Because as poorly as you played, you got
Speaker 1: beat by a team as quarterback when five of twelve
Speaker 1: the quarter their quarterback did everything he could to keep
Speaker 1: you in the game, which is the only reason why
Speaker 1: you only lost by ten, by the way, right, because
Speaker 1: if they had any kind of passing game tonight, and
Speaker 1: the plays were there, I mean, the very first possession
Speaker 1: of the game, they had Michael Pittman for a long
Speaker 1: play at the very least like a fifty yard play.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would have been a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Mccordy was coming over, probably would have knocked him out
Speaker 1: of bounds, but that's an easy, easy throw these four
Speaker 1: yards behind. J. C. Jackson who for that play I
Speaker 1: had initially down. I thought he got beat a couple
Speaker 1: of times tonight and really didn't pay for it because
Speaker 1: Wentz just sucked. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a wake up
Speaker 1: call for the offense, for the defense, for the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: for a coaching staff that we often laud as being
Speaker 1: a Now Bill Belichick is not going to let the
Speaker 1: one guy beat you. He let the one guy beat
Speaker 1: you tonight. Yeah, And it's And I'd also just put
Speaker 1: in that they made a ton of mistakes and that
Speaker 1: they weren't really ready to go. You know, they were
Speaker 1: not clearly fired up and ready to counter the energy
Speaker 1: that Indianapolis came into. And you know, I agree with you, Mike.
Speaker 1: I just don't think they brought the same intensity to
Speaker 1: start the game that Indianapolis did. They eventually got there,
Speaker 1: but it was too late. Yea, I agree, Mike. I
Speaker 1: think that's a great point. They didn't. They weren't ready
Speaker 1: to go. Kyle Dugger was intense when he was ripping
Speaker 1: helmets off and you know, getting in fights. Like I said,
Speaker 1: like they got there eventually, but like there was too
Speaker 1: much of this early in the game. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is nothing, nothing, just Jonathan Taylor just carrying bodies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's I mean, you know we made a lot, well,
Speaker 1: we made a lot out of Buffalo, Like, oh, you
Speaker 1: knew they were gonna run it. It couldn't stop it. Well,
Speaker 1: twenty nine for one seventy yeah, yeah, take take away
Speaker 1: the sixty seven yard or for the touchdownt the end
Speaker 1: in still eight for one hundred and when all they
Speaker 1: were doing was running the ball every play right the
Speaker 1: fourth ride, So you knew it was coming and you
Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. Learn from it. And like I said,
Speaker 1: the drive before the like, listen, let me. Can I
Speaker 1: set you up for that? Guy? I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: a long touchdown? Those happened just like the Damian Harris
Speaker 1: went last week. They happened ahead. Well, I was gonna
Speaker 1: set yet for it, because can I jump in on
Speaker 1: the field goal? Can I put the field goal on
Speaker 1: the down list the Patriots field goal? Yeah? If already yet?
Speaker 1: But it leads into what Paul was saying, which and
Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who kills about like the aggressive and
Speaker 1: the analytics and fourth Town going for it, But I
Speaker 1: just I don't really understand the decision because you're at
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis seven, fourth down. If you're down by thirteen points,
Speaker 1: you need two scores. So if you don't get it,
Speaker 1: they're taken right over right then at the seven, you
Speaker 1: still need two scores. You kicked the field goal, you
Speaker 1: still need two scores. What is the difference with that
Speaker 1: three points that maybe you could have gotten on that
Speaker 1: second possession at the end, you might have kicked the
Speaker 1: field goal to tie, like go for the touchdown? And
Speaker 1: I agree with Mike, and I would also add to that, Mike,
Speaker 1: how do you feel, like, what do you feel better
Speaker 1: about first and ten from the twenty five getting a
Speaker 1: three and out or first and ten from the seven
Speaker 1: and getting it three and out? What do you think
Speaker 1: is harder? Yeah? And I don't know how much time
Speaker 1: goes off when you kick it off either, but you know, like,
Speaker 1: well none, it would have been a touchback, you know,
Speaker 1: assuming a touchback. That's why I put the ball in
Speaker 1: the twenty five. I just I didn't like I didn't
Speaker 1: like the decision. I didn't hate it, like like Mike says,
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here telling you you know that costing
Speaker 1: it didn't It didn't cost them the game. I just
Speaker 1: thought it's set. I think Bill is more than willing
Speaker 1: oftentimes to allow those situations to unfold in which they
Speaker 1: have to go absolutely perfectly, Like a sequence of literally
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty players have to all go exactly the
Speaker 1: way the Patriots want them for you to have a chance,
Speaker 1: And in that situation you needed the three and out. Well,
Speaker 1: they ended up cranking out two first downs and taking
Speaker 1: out over five minutes off the clock. Yeah, that was game.
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you like the game was over there. Now it's like, well, sure,
Speaker 1: if you get an on site kick or if they
Speaker 1: fumble or something funny happens, you can still win. But
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. Like the twelve carries on the
Speaker 1: twelve yards on the first carry on that on right
Speaker 1: drive right twelve and then and then they went fourth.
Speaker 1: Then then they ran the ball four times on right
Speaker 1: and the one thing that you can't account for, they
Speaker 1: go three first downs that drive after the fourth down conversion.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wow, the first the first down was a
Speaker 1: twelve yard carry, then it was then they got the
Speaker 1: fourth down on that next Okay, so they got two
Speaker 1: first downs then and then they pick and they punted it,
Speaker 1: but had you had you gone for instead of taking
Speaker 1: the field goal? The one thing that you you can't
Speaker 1: argue because we don't know. It's rewriting history. But how
Speaker 1: does the other team respond? What do they do differently?
Speaker 1: How do they handle the pressure once they know that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this is a one score game
Speaker 1: and holy crap, yet that's Bill Belichick over there on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Now listen at twenty to fourteen. The Colts
Speaker 1: can't just line up and run Jonathan Taylor. They have
Speaker 1: to try to do something different. Maybe Wentz were thrown
Speaker 1: another one to you, right, you know, or maybe it
Speaker 1: becomes harder to stop them because you have to play
Speaker 1: that Ronnie in the past and again and again. You
Speaker 1: don't know, but you don't know you're gonna get it either.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm using Mike's scenario because I think
Speaker 1: Mike like put it out there perfectly, like, okay, so
Speaker 1: let's say you don't get it right, like I think
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, you make it twenty fourteen and then
Speaker 1: you win. Well, no, because I don't know that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get fourth and goal from the set. But if
Speaker 1: you don't get it. I like my chances of four singer,
Speaker 1: three and out. Yes, yes, that come up on the seven,
Speaker 1: you'll get a good field position. I'm down twenty to seven.
Speaker 1: The other team's got to get a first down starting
Speaker 1: at their own seven. I like my chances. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: more time that passed, and even as they gave themselves
Speaker 1: a shot at it at the end, I think the
Speaker 1: more all three of us felt it would have been
Speaker 1: better for them to go for it there instead of
Speaker 1: taking it. Yeah. That's the only tweet I put out
Speaker 1: during the game was I thought it was a curious decision,
Speaker 1: and I just it's set up no margin for or
Speaker 1: the rest of the game, and the Patriots made a
Speaker 1: lot of errors the rest of the game. What are
Speaker 1: the bads do we want to get too? Before we
Speaker 1: head over to the training room, which has also got
Speaker 1: a I just got a couple on a couple of
Speaker 1: little things. I mean, I think the gunner fumble, I
Speaker 1: just I really don't trust him much at all with
Speaker 1: his ball handling. It scares me. I mean, he got
Speaker 1: lucky at went out of bounce, but I just again
Speaker 1: it's like the early tone, not ready, like you know,
Speaker 1: And that was just don't turn the ball over. This
Speaker 1: team prais off turnovers. You can't do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: right off the bat it was like it time to
Speaker 1: get into keel back there again. You saw I had
Speaker 1: that shut handedness on that big reception late. So would
Speaker 1: you like to see more of the keel back? Not really, Okay,
Speaker 1: I did have that on my list, and I had
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson's fumble on my list as well. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know I had sort of snapped back at the
Speaker 1: We had a caller from Canada earlier. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I know we have two that call in regularly and
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one dust from Ontario. He was
Speaker 1: very concerned about Stevenson. Listen, I don't think Stevenson was
Speaker 1: a problem in this game tonight. Um. They couldn't run
Speaker 1: the ball, and I think the offensive line was terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, for the most part in this game. But
Speaker 1: to the caller's point, he fumbled. He did fumble tonight.
Speaker 1: They got it back, Jono Smith recovered it, but not good.
Speaker 1: You can't fumble. Yeah, all right, um, training room, which
Speaker 1: is brought to you by Thara gunn Uh Yeah, Jawan
Speaker 1: Bentley was I think that one's significant, and I would
Speaker 1: say is a big run stopper. I mean that that
Speaker 1: that one, you can kind of that one. That one
Speaker 1: hurt how much I'm not sure, but yeah, that was
Speaker 1: big one. Nelson Agalore that might be significant too, because
Speaker 1: he had to leave with a concussion and never came back.
Speaker 1: And Carl Davis was another one. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: he I don't know, I don't know if he came back,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what his problem was. And then
Speaker 1: and then the keel on that on that big play
Speaker 1: at the end where um geez and Dajo was like,
Speaker 1: he looks, he looks like he was okay though I
Speaker 1: thought he was trying to make it. I thought he
Speaker 1: looked like he was trying to get back in the game.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I don't know, I'd like to
Speaker 1: see that again. I didn't see that the way they
Speaker 1: kept talking about it. But I was hoping against hope
Speaker 1: with Aglore that it was like a chest that he
Speaker 1: just took, you know, a good pop to the there.
Speaker 1: But I think they did say head and I think
Speaker 1: there was a moment where it looked like he had
Speaker 1: kind of gone out a little bit. And I think
Speaker 1: you said as we were watching the balls. Lucky to
Speaker 1: maintain possession of that ball because he he had a
Speaker 1: strong game. He made a couple of really difficult catches
Speaker 1: in this game, right, Um Agilo had four for thirty four.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing flashy there, but um, I did think
Speaker 1: a couple of those catches worked like just another thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Mac was very good. I thought Mac
Speaker 1: was getting his receivers hit all night. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's why, like I almost was thinking about to Kobe,
Speaker 1: but you know, he had a couple of drops. But
Speaker 1: the ball is It's just I do think he had
Speaker 1: a chance to make a play on that deep ball early.
Speaker 1: It was a good throw, but it was not an
Speaker 1: easy catch it and they weren't there weren't great throws.
Speaker 1: But I think Jacobe ended up with six catches on
Speaker 1: twelve targets. Yeah, I mean, but look at the yards
Speaker 1: to like forty four yards for forty four for Born,
Speaker 1: forty one and forty one for Bold and thirty four
Speaker 1: for Agad. There's like no yards, you know, like nothing,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many third and shorts were they in?
Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, everything was That's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like six or fifteen doesn't sound terrible until you consider
Speaker 1: they needed like an average of like five yards on
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Speaker 1: radio at Patriots dot com. We did some things well,
Speaker 1: but we didn't do enough. And this time of the year,
Speaker 1: eight penalties, two turnovers, Um, it's not enough to win
Speaker 1: football games. Yeah, we made some plays. We moved the
Speaker 1: ball well, obviously got down early that obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: determined some things we can do. But I thought we battled,
Speaker 1: battled horror. Yeah, just like I said, eight penalties and
Speaker 1: two turnovers in December is not gonna win a lot
Speaker 1: of football games. So you know, it's all for the
Speaker 1: Colts are good defense, good team, but you know, definitely
Speaker 1: some things we gotta do better. It's a Patriots Center
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Speaker 1: David Andrews gets a bit of a pass. Get a
Speaker 1: new baby at home, sleep deprived, so Hunter Henry too.
Speaker 1: He still cut two touchdowns. So yeah, I don't are
Speaker 1: you talking about the offensive line to pick on the
Speaker 1: center too much, you know, unless he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: just sounds right. That was that was a joke. That
Speaker 1: was snark. To be fair, it looked like the problems
Speaker 1: tonight we're coming from the edges. Yes, that would Yeah,
Speaker 1: speed Colts, I mean a lot of that toss stuff.
Speaker 1: They weren't having any of that. It's amazing, Like you
Speaker 1: don't have to be really big to play defense. Wow,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't Yeah, but I'm you know, I'm picking
Speaker 1: on the inside linebackers with the Colts because they're so little.
Speaker 1: I'm looking looking at Amazon. They're strong. They were attacking Stevenson.
Speaker 1: Darius learn is a really good player, Like he's been
Speaker 1: a really good player since he's coming into the league.
Speaker 1: See that's so things like guys like that where you
Speaker 1: spent all week talking about I'm pumping him up and
Speaker 1: then he does what you've been talking about the whole week.
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are real good. And the
Speaker 1: difference between tonight in the seventh game winning streak because
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard gets hurt on the first play of the
Speaker 1: game but came back on the third play of the game.
Speaker 1: Three weeks ago, he would have been out for the
Speaker 1: game right week. Let's go to the phones eight five
Speaker 1: five Pats five hundred. Will you begin with Spi and
Speaker 1: Fresno on the Patriots postgame show. Hello, Paul, I agree,
Speaker 1: it's definitely a regression to the early season clause they had.
Speaker 1: But um, but hardy um. I know you're you're a
Speaker 1: Lions fan, and so do you. Playing in the league
Speaker 1: is basically the same as losing. But this they needed
Speaker 1: to lose to take is totally useless. Um. I know
Speaker 1: you know, if if they won tonight, it wouldn't even
Speaker 1: matter to people like you who have already given the
Speaker 1: Chiefs abode of the Super Bowl. But I don't share
Speaker 1: your loser's mentality. I think it would have. Actually, I
Speaker 1: would have preferred that they won. It's not good, rob okay, right,
Speaker 1: sounds like you're having an argument with yourself. But absolutely
Speaker 1: that's a super Bowl contending team you saw there to night.
Speaker 1: They're just like the Chiefs. They're just as good. I've
Speaker 1: told you. I told you in the pregame show. Listen
Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. They'll tell you what the teams are
Speaker 1: around the league. The Chiefs suck, right, they beat the
Speaker 1: Raiders twice, the Chargers that the Packers without Rogers, Cowboys
Speaker 1: without Cooper. They suck. What do you want me to
Speaker 1: say if you thought you were watching a team worthy
Speaker 1: of talking about being in the Super Bowl through the
Speaker 1: first three quarters of that game tonight. I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear from it. And uh and and I do believe
Speaker 1: that there is some value in getting humbled at this
Speaker 1: point as opposed to say next week against Buffalo or
Speaker 1: maybe your first playoff game. No, so I want to
Speaker 1: learn some lessons earlier, as opposed too late. I want
Speaker 1: to apologize because it's it's Microsoft right sponsors. The quote
Speaker 1: that we just had from David Andrews, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I play, So we missed the we missed the money quote.
Speaker 1: Question what happened on the block on Belichick quote? We
Speaker 1: didn't block the guy quote? There you go. Bill also
Speaker 1: said we didn't do anything well enough to win, didn't
Speaker 1: play well, didn't coach well. Yeah, I caught that. He
Speaker 1: also opened it up with talking about extending sympathies to
Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly and his family. I'm still not sure what
Speaker 1: exactly happened. It's a personal situation. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, and I hadn't seen. Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that situation was, but obviously it's significant.
Speaker 1: Ye Walter in Ukraine, Hello, gentlemingredients from Ukraine. Tough loss,
Speaker 1: nice comeback, hearty over time, you've changed my mind. When
Speaker 1: you first started doing the show, I hated you, but
Speaker 1: I must admit you've grown up. I mean, I find
Speaker 1: myself agreeing with you more. But today was the topper.
Speaker 1: I didn't wish for the Pads to lose like you,
Speaker 1: but agreed that they were due for it. Maybe even
Speaker 1: needed a humility and intensity check or a reality check. Intensity,
Speaker 1: I think is the word that someone else here used.
Speaker 1: After all, this was Indies self proclaimed yeah, biggest game.
Speaker 1: I no, no, I didn't want to put words in
Speaker 1: your mouth if I didn't know if it was Paul
Speaker 1: or Mike um uh self proclaimed biggest game in ten years.
Speaker 1: And obviously the Pats were not ready for the immediate intensity,
Speaker 1: speed and the carnival atmosphere at the starts was the
Speaker 1: biggest game in what and it cost them? Uh Indie
Speaker 1: self proclaimed biggest game in ten years? Okay, yes, um.
Speaker 1: I did see some very encouraging signs of fire and
Speaker 1: fight back in the second half for both Mac and
Speaker 1: the offense and our defense. But I hopefully they use
Speaker 1: it as a wake up calling, a motivator for the
Speaker 1: level of play they need to rise to to end
Speaker 1: the season and to start the playoffs. Did the Patriots
Speaker 1: beat the Colts in like the AFC Championship game and
Speaker 1: like fourteen? Yeah, but the Colts knew they were going
Speaker 1: to lose that one wasn't wasn't a big game. Um,
Speaker 1: that's Walter and Ukraine. Thank you, Walter. No, I'm making
Speaker 1: fun of the Colts, not Walter. Let me let me
Speaker 1: because he said the Colts self proclaimed right, like the culture,
Speaker 1: like the cults are not like sorry, Hardy the Lions.
Speaker 1: The Colts have been in the playoffs. They were in
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. Notice I'm not getting personal back.
Speaker 1: I don't feel there's any need for it. This is
Speaker 1: about the team. This is and I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any I don't take any joy from this tonight. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look ahead. I'm just trying to set
Speaker 1: myself up for the distinct possibility. And I thought it
Speaker 1: a probability that they were going to drop one of
Speaker 1: these games on the way in. So let's do it.
Speaker 1: Now we are. We all decided, if they're going to
Speaker 1: split between A Year and Buffalo, which one would you
Speaker 1: rather lose. I'd rather lose none, but yes, okay, if
Speaker 1: I had to lose one, Tonight's the one I would
Speaker 1: have chose, okay, because now you can't lose. That's right now,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's basically the England verse Buffalo for
Speaker 1: the ACU who if you lose next week, there is
Speaker 1: a I would say ninety five plus percent chance you
Speaker 1: do not win the division. Correct the the Bill. Listen,
Speaker 1: the Bills are seven and six right now. I'm not
Speaker 1: penciling and wins for the Bills, just like I'm not
Speaker 1: penciling him and for the Patriots. But the Bills have
Speaker 1: at home the Panthers, the Falcons and the Jets. They
Speaker 1: should not lose any of those three games. Therefore, if
Speaker 1: they win next week, they're going to be the AFC
Speaker 1: East champs because if they tie for the division, the
Speaker 1: Bills have the division tiebreaker based on AFC East record.
Speaker 1: But now they've lost, they're mad. They're going to refocus
Speaker 1: on the Bills and smash them, right, I would like
Speaker 1: to think so, So we have a good pregame show
Speaker 1: for you next week, all right, joya Christmas. That'll do
Speaker 1: it for this Patriots postgame show. No, we can't, we can't.
Speaker 1: How it works close another hour plus? Okay? In that case, well,
Speaker 1: happily we have some some some calls to get us through. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: we do have time for you, John and Norwell, so
Speaker 1: they're welcome into the Patriots post game show. It's presented
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Speaker 1: you want to, we'll go to Brady in Iowa instead.
Speaker 1: Hearts post game. You're welcome. Hi Brady, what's going on? Hey, fellas,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Um. I just want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the field goal decision. Um, So,
Speaker 1: just thinking about the situation of the game. There was
Speaker 1: nine minutes left to give or take a you know,
Speaker 1: few secs bout him though, but we had three time outs,
Speaker 1: our defense was heating up, you know, we were starting
Speaker 1: to come alive a little bit. I didn't totally mind it, obviously,
Speaker 1: if we don't get them, you know, if we don't
Speaker 1: have the false start, we're obviously going for it there.
Speaker 1: But you know, thinking about it, it's a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: We kicked the field goal all of a sudden. We
Speaker 1: make it a situation where there's you know, there's nine
Speaker 1: minutes left. You know, if we if we if we
Speaker 1: make a defensive stop, which we didn't, we can make
Speaker 1: that you know, we can go down the field, we
Speaker 1: can kick a field goal, we can score a touchdown
Speaker 1: rather than have to punch it amends of a couple
Speaker 1: of times secure certain thoughts there. Well, I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: what Bill was thinking, and he just said he did
Speaker 1: what he thought was best for the team, which is
Speaker 1: the predictable answer to that question. Um, but I think Mike, really,
Speaker 1: I think he painted the picture properly. I think it
Speaker 1: changed the mentality for the Colts. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: it made the Colts job of running out the clock
Speaker 1: much easier knowing that they had nine minutes in a
Speaker 1: two score game. Yeah, rather than the possibility either way.
Speaker 1: If you don't get it, it's a two score game.
Speaker 1: If you kick a field goal, it's a two score game.
Speaker 1: The only way you could have changed I think the
Speaker 1: game pressure is by going forward and fourth down and succeeding.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a I don't think there
Speaker 1: was a huge difference between being down ten and being
Speaker 1: down right. I don't still you're still going for the win,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you get a touchdown there, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're a touchdown away from twenty one twenty. I
Speaker 1: just I'm not one to get into these decisions and
Speaker 1: get too fired up. But this one, I just I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a trade off between basically settling for
Speaker 1: we still need two of possessions and now we're basically
Speaker 1: paying for the tie if we can get a field goal,
Speaker 1: whereas if another one. Okay, and maybe you know, this
Speaker 1: is the difference between like two two and a half minutes.
Speaker 1: The Colts went for a fourth thousand inches on their
Speaker 1: own side of the field with a twenty to ten lead.
Speaker 1: Do they do that if it's twenty to fourteen. It's
Speaker 1: a good point. Maybe maybe he would have. Maybe he
Speaker 1: would have. I mean, I'll give Frank right credit tonight.
Speaker 1: He went for it like I think three times. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that was almost some more juice behind it. Yeah you do,
Speaker 1: you don't know. It changes the tone completely. So yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's how it's one other thing too. I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention Paul, that's that's circling this because we've been
Speaker 1: talking about some of the early season mistakes and things
Speaker 1: that pop back up. I think some of the lack
Speaker 1: of clutch on the defense, you know, I think they
Speaker 1: assume it's a great point. It's another piece of that
Speaker 1: early kind of struggle that you know, they they did
Speaker 1: give the team a little bit of an opportunity to
Speaker 1: the red zone stops and stuff like that, but you know,
Speaker 1: when you really need did that stop at the end
Speaker 1: of the five minute drive. It was a big It
Speaker 1: was the first stepping up and really, you know, so
Speaker 1: in the in the in the seven game, what's count tonight?
Speaker 1: So it's I'm just gonna say, the seven game winning
Speaker 1: streak is now eight games. They lost tonight, obviously, but
Speaker 1: so when that eight game stretched, this is the first
Speaker 1: time that they were losing by two scores. It's the
Speaker 1: first time that they were losing at all since Week ten.
Speaker 1: They were only trailing in the seven game win streak
Speaker 1: three times. They were trailing in the fourth quarter in
Speaker 1: la they were trailing in the second quarter in Carolina,
Speaker 1: and they gave up an opening touchdown to Cleveland in
Speaker 1: week ten and then scored the next forty five points,
Speaker 1: Which is a long way of saying what Mike said,
Speaker 1: this is the first time they've had any pressure on
Speaker 1: them in a game since those first six games. And
Speaker 1: in the first six games, four out of six times
Speaker 1: you didn't hold up to the pressure of the game. Tonight.
Speaker 1: You made it five out of seven times, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like maybe you want to say,
Speaker 1: I'll give you the Chargers as a game, pressure game
Speaker 1: that they held up to because that was a you know,
Speaker 1: that was a close game. Even after you get the
Speaker 1: pick six, you had to get off the field, and
Speaker 1: they did and then they got a nice drive. They
Speaker 1: had to make it a ten point game. But that
Speaker 1: was reminiscent of say, the Saints game where they had
Speaker 1: a chance, or the Miami game where they had a
Speaker 1: chance to get off the field even though you were playing,
Speaker 1: like especially against the Saints, I thought they played reasonably
Speaker 1: good defensively in that game. Mack killed him that day
Speaker 1: with the three picks, but the two picks especially. They
Speaker 1: had a pick six and another pick that was run
Speaker 1: back inside the ten, so they really the defense was
Speaker 1: putting a lot of bad spots that day. But after
Speaker 1: all of that, they get within a score. They were
Speaker 1: down eight in the fourth quarter. They just needed to stop,
Speaker 1: and the Saints went right down the field and scored.
Speaker 1: And that was reminiscent to me of the last ten
Speaker 1: minutes of this game. They needed to stop and the
Speaker 1: Colts had two possessions and they couldn't stop him, like
Speaker 1: they took five minutes off the clock on one. And
Speaker 1: there's the Jonathan Taylor run that that Ice did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten a good look at this one yet.
Speaker 1: Watch mccordy, watch high Tower missus the tackle and mccordy
Speaker 1: is way out of position. Oh whoops now and then
Speaker 1: a little bit yeah, and he ran away from you.
Speaker 1: It's a good point, Hardy, which you wouldn't expect. Jackson's
Speaker 1: pretty fast. Um, I'm gonna give him Accordy a little
Speaker 1: bit of a pass because you got eleven. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's all eleven, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not he's not playing traditional safety there. He's just he's
Speaker 1: coming up oh hell bent for leather on that place.
Speaker 1: So I'll give him a little bit of a pass.
Speaker 1: But listen, I said it, said it at the time,
Speaker 1: and I said it at the beginning of the show.
Speaker 1: There's not that much difference between what Jonathan Taylor did
Speaker 1: tonight to what the Patriots did to Buffalo two weeks
Speaker 1: And I saw somebody tweeted out a comparison which was
Speaker 1: kind of striking really about you know, Wentz had five passes.
Speaker 1: I wish I could find the tweet, but it was
Speaker 1: perfectly kind of lined up. I mean, it was essentially
Speaker 1: the same, the same games. I hear it is Patriots
Speaker 1: beat Bills throwing three passes and running for two twenty two,
Speaker 1: Colts beat Patriots completing five and running for two twenty six.
Speaker 1: Kind kind of crazy. Yep, that's exactly now. I would
Speaker 1: say that it's a little different because the Patriots had
Speaker 1: to play conventional defense for the most part. What I'm
Speaker 1: comparing to Buffalo is the fourth quarter when it was
Speaker 1: apparent those last two drives that Wentz wasn't going to
Speaker 1: throw it again. They're just gonna run it and you
Speaker 1: couldn't stop them. I don't follow Bill Simmons on Twitter,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if this is something he regularly does.
Speaker 1: I've seen a quote tweeted a lot tonight, though, his
Speaker 1: tweet from forty eight minutes ago tough Pats lost too
Speaker 1: many mistakes and Wentz was just too much and people
Speaker 1: are losing their minds in the replies, and Jimmy, Jimmy
Speaker 1: didn't watched the game without telling me, you didn't watch
Speaker 1: the game? You serious can? I obvious troll job but
Speaker 1: I don't is this something I got believe that anybody? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something he does, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty obvious that that's well they're broadcasting. There
Speaker 1: are now two hundred and eighty seven people who feel differently,
Speaker 1: but they're all like making fun of him as opposed
Speaker 1: to laughing with him. Um once was nothing but a
Speaker 1: game manager in this game. That's from Laurie. Um went
Speaker 1: through for fifty seven yards. Did you even watch the game? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. All right, let's go to
Speaker 1: Cole in Hawaii on the Patriots postgame show. Hello Cole, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's up guy. What's going on? All right? So I
Speaker 1: was so I was going to talk about that fourth
Speaker 1: down um in the end? Yeah, when um right after
Speaker 1: the Michael Um. Yeah, yeah, we start so as you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about if they had gone for it
Speaker 1: and gotten that that touchdown, right, UM, I feel like
Speaker 1: they would have had a much higher chance of getting
Speaker 1: that touchdown, especially with I mean, if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at all the touchdowns that Hunter Henry's hat,
Speaker 1: they've all been you know, seven yards, eight yards, six yards,
Speaker 1: like all right in that range, and it seems like
Speaker 1: like even there's two other touchdowns, they were eight yards right.
Speaker 1: Or do you think if they had gone for it
Speaker 1: they would have gone to um like Hunter Henry or
Speaker 1: where they were right? Like, what do you think they
Speaker 1: would have done had they choose chosen to go for it?
Speaker 1: Go to Hunter Huns was what was working. I just
Speaker 1: I would have liked to try it, because even if
Speaker 1: you don't get it, there's two scores down, they're going
Speaker 1: to take the ball right over again, right where you are,
Speaker 1: and you get a chance to stop them deep in
Speaker 1: their own town. I'm with you, Cole. I would have
Speaker 1: gone for it, and you know, certainly Hunter Henry would
Speaker 1: have made sense. Yep. Honestly, I was sitting here like
Speaker 1: yelling at my at my tablet, like, go for it,
Speaker 1: go for it, go for it. Try that next time.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll work. I don't know, you don't know. Until
Speaker 1: it did. I wish it did. Yell louder next time. Uh.
Speaker 1: Brandon in Atlanta on the Patriots Falls Game Show. Hello Brandon, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up? Um? Uh? Sorry? Um? Yeah, I'm just really uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, every time we lose, I
Speaker 1: appreciate Shaw because I really need these to get me
Speaker 1: through these losses. Um, the almost comeback kind of makes
Speaker 1: me feel better, but I mean still, it's it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But um, I really think I wanted to touch on
Speaker 1: a few things. So I really think that we we
Speaker 1: dodged two bullets by m Dereck Henry and Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: not playing because I think this would have been the
Speaker 1: same result with them that we just had with Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: and that might be a big picture takeaway from this game.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Yeah, and uh, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about the Buffalo game just because on paper and obviously
Speaker 1: you play on the field, the Buffalo has a better team,
Speaker 1: Like like Hardy said, they are for the most part.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you know football and you're
Speaker 1: looking just on paper, Yeah, they're a better team. And
Speaker 1: we don't really have home field advantage because we've lost
Speaker 1: a lot of games at home this year. So I'm
Speaker 1: just worried about that. But I'll stress out over that
Speaker 1: over the week. I'm not I'm not gonna focus on
Speaker 1: that tonight. Yeah you know what, Okay, I'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and finish Brandon, because you said something interesting too about
Speaker 1: home field, But go ahead, right. I have a theory.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a conspiracy theory. Call me crazy. I think
Speaker 1: the Chargers lost that game on purpose to the Chiefs
Speaker 1: because we beat them badly last year, we beat them
Speaker 1: this year, and I think they did it at as
Speaker 1: like that's my story. Wow, all right, Brandon, thanks for
Speaker 1: the call. Uh yeah, there's a differentult call. There's a
Speaker 1: different here's Brandon Staley isn't advanced analytics, so I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the percentages said that they have a better chance of
Speaker 1: going to the wind as in a three six matchup.
Speaker 1: That's what he did. Yeah, uh, not kicking any field.
Speaker 1: It's not even gonna bring a kicker. There's a difference
Speaker 1: between having a true home field advantage and not having
Speaker 1: in a home field disadvantage. Okay, so the Patriots may
Speaker 1: not have a true home field advantage like other teams
Speaker 1: do or to the same extent, especially when you based
Speaker 1: on their home record this year. But all things being equal, yes,
Speaker 1: they'd rather be at home. But they played well on
Speaker 1: the road tonight, you know, tonight as the outlier in
Speaker 1: terms of how they've handled themselves, and and it was
Speaker 1: really it was kind of startling to see Matt get
Speaker 1: I think put off by the it's the first time
Speaker 1: I've seen him rattled. Yeah, rat he I thought he
Speaker 1: was visibly rattled tonight he was. He kept fighting visible
Speaker 1: I'm not taking that away from eating quit visibly rattled.
Speaker 1: And then on the sideline after after that first pick
Speaker 1: and again after he was he was kind of in shock.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's listen to go six and one
Speaker 1: on the road, I don't care who you play. That's
Speaker 1: really impressive. It's not easy to win games in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and it's certainly not easy to win them on the road,
Speaker 1: and they went six and one, so far, right, But
Speaker 1: can we also say, like if they had the home
Speaker 1: schedule that they've had on the road, that they would
Speaker 1: have like five lots, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they would have lost all those games on the road,
Speaker 1: like they would have lost to the Buccaneers. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: just comes down to who you play and wear. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: does anybody think that when they lost to Tampa and
Speaker 1: Dallas that if those games were on the road that
Speaker 1: would have been the difference they would have won them. No, Like,
Speaker 1: so to suggest like to see it, well, they haven't
Speaker 1: played well like they haven't played well at home, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that matters. And I'm not
Speaker 1: picked like that. I know that that's not what Brandon
Speaker 1: was saying, like I'm but I have heard a little
Speaker 1: of this um this like sort of mentality like how
Speaker 1: Porton is the bye? How important really is it because
Speaker 1: they haven't played well at home. Well, when you're playing
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you're gonna be playing against the team
Speaker 1: that's good because they're all good. All the playoff teams
Speaker 1: are in the AFC are going to be good. You
Speaker 1: might see this team again, right, so obviously you'd rather
Speaker 1: play at home, absolutely, Like I don't want to go
Speaker 1: back to Indy. I don't want to go to Kansas
Speaker 1: City or two, I don't want to go to LA. Like,
Speaker 1: you lose next week, you're probably going to go somewhere
Speaker 1: in the first round. Like that's how quick it can change.
Speaker 1: You went from having a bye in the first round
Speaker 1: to being on the road in the first round if
Speaker 1: you lose next week. Yeah, kind of interesting. Matt Jones
Speaker 1: at the podium now saying, didn't have a great, great
Speaker 1: week of practice. The energy was kind of low. I
Speaker 1: hate how we played. Can I tell you how much
Speaker 1: that this is a comment that I get after almost
Speaker 1: every loss. We didn't practice well this week? Please like
Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it, I hate it, I
Speaker 1: hate it. Tell me that beforehand. I don't know what
Speaker 1: struggled that practices. But going back to you know, when
Speaker 1: they were the top seed in the AFC and the
Speaker 1: best record in the AFC, and that, did that feel
Speaker 1: more authentic than this feels now where it's a team
Speaker 1: that's kind of on the bubble and you're you're in
Speaker 1: a fight for the division and a fight for seating
Speaker 1: in the AFC. Or did it feel more authentic when
Speaker 1: the Patriots were the number one seed in the conference,
Speaker 1: which which I mean it was more realistic? I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean probably then, just because you had certain things
Speaker 1: that you certainly believed about that team, like with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and who no, no, no, no, I'm talking this season,
Speaker 1: this season, this season, say so, say it again? Then
Speaker 1: so a couple of weeks ago Pats are the number
Speaker 1: one seed in the af No, did what feels more authentic? This?
Speaker 1: This fee is what they are and this and that's
Speaker 1: why you know not to I mean, unfortunately I picked
Speaker 1: the score tonight. I mean I thought they were gonna lose. Um,
Speaker 1: not not necessarily, because you know what, that's a bad
Speaker 1: job by us, Paul, not a problem. It's Deuce correctly
Speaker 1: predicted the outcome down to the score. I haven't written
Speaker 1: down here, might go back like, listen, it doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. No, I didn't didn't feel good. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel good, and I got on Twitter. But everybody know,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that you didn't want them Blue. I didn't
Speaker 1: think that this, you know, I just like you said,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for who they are
Speaker 1: and the kind of team they become. But I didn't
Speaker 1: think that they were the number one seed gonna run
Speaker 1: the table and run everybody like. They are a team
Speaker 1: that's still figuring themselves out a little bit to some extent,
Speaker 1: even as much as they have figured themselves out. And
Speaker 1: I just don't see how you can look at the
Speaker 1: wind streak and who they played and how those games
Speaker 1: unfolded and not see, Hey, if a team does this
Speaker 1: to them and they get the takeaways, it could easily
Speaker 1: flip flop on you. And that's what I think happened tonight.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to bounce back against
Speaker 1: the Bills next week. I know that now their backs
Speaker 1: are kind of against the wall again. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: a familiar feeling to them. Hopefully it spurs a much
Speaker 1: better effort uh in the game, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can see it coming back home. They've been away for
Speaker 1: a while. It feels like they haven't played here and forever.
Speaker 1: So Sanders says, this is feels like the worst Patriots
Speaker 1: game I've watched since the Kansas City game in twoy fourteen,
Speaker 1: which I don't I would know the Detroit the Detroit loss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was Dallas in Week six. See I
Speaker 1: I think I think Kansas City was was worse because
Speaker 1: there was never any hope. You had, you know, Brady
Speaker 1: out of that game much earlier than any other game
Speaker 1: I remember seeing them in. I mean, it was done,
Speaker 1: that game was over, That game was finished at I
Speaker 1: just watched the the latest UM episode of The Man
Speaker 1: in the Arena and that was the that's the twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen one and that's that. That game gets obviously a
Speaker 1: good amount of attention, that Kansas City game, and it
Speaker 1: was it was everybody as bad as you remember. They
Speaker 1: couldn't stop the Jamal Charles. I think Jamal Charles just
Speaker 1: running all over the It is funny though I used
Speaker 1: to I used to say, like, even when they get dominated,
Speaker 1: they never really get blown out, and that was that
Speaker 1: was a rare time that they got blown and that
Speaker 1: was one of those rare times. But I feel like tonight,
Speaker 1: tonight was one of those dominated but they found a
Speaker 1: way to not get blown out. They found a way
Speaker 1: to stay in the game even though, like I said,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot of this this week,
Speaker 1: people will be making fun like they never got the
Speaker 1: ball down a score, so they never had a chance
Speaker 1: to win the game, right, Like, they never got the
Speaker 1: ball with a chance to tie or take the lead,
Speaker 1: right right. That was after that Kansas City game that
Speaker 1: was the start of the Brady and Decline era. On
Speaker 1: over on your station there, Paul, that's perfect for that chair.
Speaker 1: Though that's exactly Addison and Fresno. So I was wrong. Well,
Speaker 1: this lass may not technically end a season, it definitely
Speaker 1: feels like the Patriots lost any shot at going to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, which I foolishly allowed myself to believe
Speaker 1: they could do in the first place. I understand in
Speaker 1: comparison the beginning of the seasons expectations. But I'd also
Speaker 1: like to apologize to Eric that was mean but correct.
Speaker 1: I must have met having called in just a few
Speaker 1: times in this nerve wracking given props from being able
Speaker 1: to go on the air, um Addison, this is where
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm actually more positive. Where I say no,
Speaker 1: I kind of show a contrarian. I know I borderline
Speaker 1: wanted this for the team, but at the very least
Speaker 1: I'm accepting of a loss at this point in the
Speaker 1: season because I'd rather have it now. Rather have it
Speaker 1: now now, I'm all in. I'm pushing all the chips
Speaker 1: in on Buffalo a week from them. I just think
Speaker 1: if you and I know that what your point is,
Speaker 1: and you're right, you know, if you're looking at it realistically,
Speaker 1: you're watching this team week in week out, and you're like,
Speaker 1: they're playing really well and they're finding a way to
Speaker 1: win all these games. But they really don't look like
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team to me, which is okay, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought in August this was a
Speaker 1: super Bowl team. So it's not like, oh man, that's
Speaker 1: a disaster. They're not a super Bowl team. So you
Speaker 1: look at it that way and you say, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. But then you
Speaker 1: look at it from the other perspective, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: why not them? Like it's a year that clearly doesn't
Speaker 1: have that team that has that super Bowl look, Because
Speaker 1: I would agree with some of the naysayers on Kansas City,
Speaker 1: they have not looked super Bowl caliber. We all know
Speaker 1: they're capable of a higher level, and that's in the back.
Speaker 1: I think that's in the back of all of our minds.
Speaker 1: But if you could just find a way to continue
Speaker 1: winning and get that first round by you say to yourself,
Speaker 1: why not I only have to win one game to
Speaker 1: get the AAC Championship. I'm at home for two wins
Speaker 1: and I can get to the super Bowl. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's disappointing, because you had a chance to
Speaker 1: get there. Now, this is not a fluke loss tonight.
Speaker 1: This was a team that they played that was pretty
Speaker 1: good on the other side. By the way, don't don't
Speaker 1: let yourself think that the Colts did everything. The Colts
Speaker 1: couldn't throw the ball. The Colts made plenty of mistakes
Speaker 1: in this game. The Patriots just made a lot more.
Speaker 1: I think if Carson Wentz was anywhere near as good
Speaker 1: in this game as he's been for the other games,
Speaker 1: the other thirteen games, the Patriots could have had the
Speaker 1: mic blowout that he's talking about it. He could not
Speaker 1: throw the ball where he wanted to throw it tonight,
Speaker 1: and that's and that allowed the Patriots to stay in
Speaker 1: the game. Patt and agawam up next down the Patriots
Speaker 1: postgame show, presented by Cyber Reason. What's going on, Patty?
Speaker 1: He what's going on? Is are you feeling you? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean crap. Um. I'll tell you what um to me.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when the game, when the game was lost,
Speaker 1: and I'll get to something else too. But to meet,
Speaker 1: the game was lost when they were driving down fourteen
Speaker 1: to nothing and Mac throws the pick because who knows
Speaker 1: how the game plays out after that, But if it
Speaker 1: plays out the way it did, you have a chance
Speaker 1: to win the game. You know, instead of being a
Speaker 1: score behind. It was seventeen to nothing when that happened.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I thought that was an
Speaker 1: enormous play late and a half to not get points
Speaker 1: on that drive. You know, no one you're getting the
Speaker 1: ball to start the second half, if you score there
Speaker 1: seventeen seven, even if it's seventeen three, but seventeen seven,
Speaker 1: you got the ball coming out second half changes the complexion.
Speaker 1: That was a big, big red zone pick. I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Patty. And next week is I'm regardless of
Speaker 1: what the final score is, if they come out the
Speaker 1: way they came out this week, well they're gonna get beat.
Speaker 1: Oh bad oh. That's I think that goes without saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Allen, you saw what he can do
Speaker 1: in crunch time. If he smells blood in the water
Speaker 1: early and there is you know, sloppy football going on
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the ball there, he's going
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that a lot. I think they
Speaker 1: have more ways to take advantage of that than the
Speaker 1: Colts did tonight. The Colts had one way really to
Speaker 1: take advantage of it, and that's all they needed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be
Speaker 1: a different weather game, but it's gonna be You're actually
Speaker 1: going to see maybe a team that can throw and
Speaker 1: in the conditions, and you know what does that bring?
Speaker 1: I mean, is this a whole other can of worms
Speaker 1: that we're about to open against. Buffalo, or is this
Speaker 1: under control and this will help them get in order.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not like they can walk into
Speaker 1: the Buffalo game. We really got to stop the run again.
Speaker 1: It's it's not really what the game plan is going
Speaker 1: to call for. Stefan and Germany says u surprised to
Speaker 1: see a Belichick coach team coming out of a bye
Speaker 1: week play terribly sloppy football for three quarters. Well, you
Speaker 1: heard him say they had a bad week of practice.
Speaker 1: Can I just I have a very minor nitpick that.
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of annoying me how much credit the
Speaker 1: Patriots are getting for how well they played in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. They didn't like their defense wasn't good in
Speaker 1: the fourth Their defense was excellent in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't great in the fourth quarter. And they
Speaker 1: had an enormous penalty, a sloppy, big penalty in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that went from third and goal from the
Speaker 1: two to third and goal from the seven, which ultimately,
Speaker 1: when that play fails forces you to not forces you,
Speaker 1: but led to you kicking a field goal instead of
Speaker 1: trying to get within one score with a touchdown. Like
Speaker 1: those plays happened in the fourth quarter, those are the
Speaker 1: same plays that happened in the first three quarters. I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree they did not play well in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: They gamely continued to fight till the end. Yes, that
Speaker 1: I will say one. And they made a couple of plays, Paul,
Speaker 1: And it's like we were talking about earlier. Deuce brought
Speaker 1: up how the offense looked like it was just such
Speaker 1: a struggle to get anything going. They had a couple
Speaker 1: of plays that didn't look like it was such a
Speaker 1: chore to pick up yards in the fourth quarter. And
Speaker 1: that's I mean, when you're watching it and you've got
Speaker 1: a certain feeling about the way a team is moving
Speaker 1: the ball. They moved the ball a couple of times.
Speaker 1: It wasn't effortless, but it wasn't It wasn't the I
Speaker 1: the grind that it was for the other parts earlier
Speaker 1: in the game. And I think that's why people the
Speaker 1: forty three yard bomb to Harry everything else is exactly
Speaker 1: what the Colts wanted you to do. They wanted you
Speaker 1: to go fifteen five, you know, ten fifteen yards at
Speaker 1: the time run clock. We're gonna We're gonna have Taylor
Speaker 1: run clock on our side. And you don't have enough
Speaker 1: time to catch us. That's what the Colts wanted. The
Speaker 1: one play they made was the deep ball to Harry
Speaker 1: and that allowed them to get it. I think it
Speaker 1: was forty three yards right. Obviously the Colts didn't want
Speaker 1: this this play to happen, and and give you know,
Speaker 1: give Harry in Mac credit for making a play there
Speaker 1: when they had to. But like I said, they never
Speaker 1: got the ball down to score. They never put any
Speaker 1: pressure on the Colts. Yeah, they scored seventeen points in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. That's a little deceiving because the first
Speaker 1: seven happened on the very first play of the quarter.
Speaker 1: That drive started in the third quarter. Um just not
Speaker 1: good all around, um, Caesar says before the backbreaking touchdown run.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor had twenty eight carries for one hundred and
Speaker 1: one yards, averaging three point six per carry. You dominated
Speaker 1: the game though, on paper, and he says, on paper
Speaker 1: that looks good for the pads D. However, watching the game,
Speaker 1: I felt like he was running all over the pads D.
Speaker 1: It was what are your thoughts, because again you're talking
Speaker 1: about averages. It's not like he got three point six
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, they stuffed him a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but he had had a couple of tackles for losses,
Speaker 1: like he had like one hundred and ten yards and
Speaker 1: then went back to one hundred and thirty. Right. It
Speaker 1: was it was the plays where he would hit the line,
Speaker 1: pick up his two or three, and then fall down
Speaker 1: for four more yards. It was those plays. Wou'd you
Speaker 1: think you were mondre Stevenson in Buffalo. I mean he
Speaker 1: was good. I think he had some some very positive
Speaker 1: runs at the end. There were some others that but
Speaker 1: I mean they ran it a ton, so I think
Speaker 1: it would like sun, yeah it's gonna or something like that.
Speaker 1: He was good, He was excellent. He controlled He controlled
Speaker 1: the third quarter when they were running the ball into
Speaker 1: the wind that I mean the average three yards to carry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was controlling the game. And that's what Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor did tonight. Zach and Freiberg once to know if
Speaker 1: there's going to be any other supplemental discipline for Dugger
Speaker 1: after his ejection from the game. I thought that whole
Speaker 1: play was was odd. I thought, I frankly, I wonder
Speaker 1: if Kyle van Noy will have anything coming to him,
Speaker 1: because I thought he started the whole thing looked like
Speaker 1: he had a role in that that was not picked
Speaker 1: up by the officials. And I thought this was odd
Speaker 1: to to to throw guys out of the game for this. Um.
Speaker 1: I didn't think either one of them deserved to be ejected. UM.
Speaker 1: And I really thought the Patriots were fortunate to get
Speaker 1: offsetting penalties here. Um. But you know whatever I mean,
Speaker 1: for for all that we uh, you know, get on
Speaker 1: the officials and rightly so a lot of the time
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, and you know, it goes
Speaker 1: to New York and they're looking at it. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to keep the game moving a little bit.
Speaker 1: They don't want to stop it for an undue amount
Speaker 1: of time and dissect something that is not a football play.
Speaker 1: That's something that look at that like by van Noy,
Speaker 1: that just completely went untaught. Like no one even mentioned it,
Speaker 1: yeah except for everybody on Twitter. But um, like he
Speaker 1: pushed him right into like Dougger, I don't think was
Speaker 1: trying to do that with his helmet, like because Vannoy
Speaker 1: pushed him into him, his head went down. And that's
Speaker 1: when like, like right here is just like a regular
Speaker 1: okay personal files each side. Now, like van Noy just
Speaker 1: buries him and then um Dugger ends up ripping his
Speaker 1: helmet off. I was very surprised that Pittman got the
Speaker 1: same penalty that Dugger did, as you know, I thought
Speaker 1: there was too Yeah, I thought there was more. I mean,
Speaker 1: listen that the Colts got the calls tonight, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not suggesting that they got not saying that there was
Speaker 1: good battle. Look at that, like that's a great shot
Speaker 1: of it right there, Like the push by Van Noy
Speaker 1: starts this whole look at that like that's unbelievable. Left
Speaker 1: him in with the left and that's like right in
Speaker 1: the back, like like at least been like Dugger is
Speaker 1: is squared up with the guy they like Pittman and
Speaker 1: dun They know what they're doing. You see hit Pittman's head, Yes,
Speaker 1: go back from the whip last I should have getting
Speaker 1: pushed by Van back and to the left. CJ in
Speaker 1: Baltimore Patriots postgame presented by Cyber Reason. Hello CJ, Hey,
Speaker 1: how are you all doing? And this was a kind
Speaker 1: of a tough loss for me, Like I like, just
Speaker 1: a I do thank you for having the show because
Speaker 1: it allows me to like process everything that's too um
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted just a few things. The one's
Speaker 1: a question about future shows. Um, is there anything that
Speaker 1: they can do to just better the running game? Because
Speaker 1: that was just depressing. Yeah, I was a little surprised
Speaker 1: that they didn't they didn't have a little bit more success.
Speaker 1: I mean, overall things were just disjointed. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think is as much as like individually. I
Speaker 1: don't know if if you know, Damian Harris is like
Speaker 1: the answer, but I think together they're a good group
Speaker 1: and it gives you a chance to try different things.
Speaker 1: They didn't really have a, you know, as someone else
Speaker 1: to go to. It was kind of Stevenson or bust,
Speaker 1: and I think once they got away from it, they
Speaker 1: got down quick and then it was all right, it's
Speaker 1: a different game now. It's not really a Stevenson game.
Speaker 1: It's a Bolden game. It's a throwing game. So I
Speaker 1: think the way the game unfolded had had part to
Speaker 1: do it, and that's the big part of it. All
Speaker 1: week I was talking about if the Patriots were to
Speaker 1: shut down Jonathan Taylor in this game, it will be
Speaker 1: because the Patriots get a big lead and they won't
Speaker 1: be able to run Jonathan Taylor twenty plus times. Well
Speaker 1: that's I mean, let's listen. Give the Colts credit. They
Speaker 1: shut down Stevenson early. But how many times have we
Speaker 1: seen that the Patriots maybe don't jump out of the gates,
Speaker 1: you know, ripping off big runs, but you know, they
Speaker 1: stick with it and they eventually start grinding away and
Speaker 1: by the third and fourth quarter, those you know, those
Speaker 1: two yard runs become seven yard runs. Well, they couldn't
Speaker 1: do that tonight because they would down three scores and
Speaker 1: you can't just keep running Stevenson, you know, Donald, you know,
Speaker 1: down all of that. Yeah at the time, So I
Speaker 1: think that was a big part of it. But give
Speaker 1: give Indianapolis credit. That's what their game plan was, same
Speaker 1: game plan as everybody else. They succeeded. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: do think I gotta say I give I give Indianapolis
Speaker 1: credit because you know, I always give the Patriots credit
Speaker 1: when they're able to, you know, pull out these wins
Speaker 1: and by playing together and not beating themselves and making
Speaker 1: the little plays here and there, And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: the Colts did. Good good highlight clips right here too.
Speaker 1: That the peeps in the truck are you I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call it the truck even though it's just the other room.
Speaker 1: And when they kept trying to run wide, I thought
Speaker 1: that that was sort of an error because I think
Speaker 1: that the strength of the Colts defense is the speed,
Speaker 1: not necessarily the power. I thought they funneled things to
Speaker 1: the outside really well. Tonight. I thought they did a
Speaker 1: good job in pursuit and uh, yeah, I've listened. I'll
Speaker 1: say it again, giving Indiapolis credit. They said they needed
Speaker 1: to to shut down the run and put the game
Speaker 1: in the rookie quarterbacks, and mission accomplished. There's another wide run,
Speaker 1: right sure, House you block a punt for that sound? No, No,
Speaker 1: that was huge. I'm talking about the Colts defense, not
Speaker 1: the Colts office. Yeah, it wasn't just like we can't run,
Speaker 1: we can't run. Um see, Joan Bentley just tweeted more
Speaker 1: glory to the man above. You know, I know that
Speaker 1: we make a lot of those things and sometimes you could,
Speaker 1: like after the Buffalo game, I think Adrian Phillips I
Speaker 1: always do that, and he did. He did it tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry tonight. Yeah, so that's uh, you don't want
Speaker 1: to read too much in it. I don't know. Um,
Speaker 1: go to Charlotte, North Carolina, talk with Craig on the
Speaker 1: post game Show. Hi Craig, Hey, how's it going you guys?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right? Great. Hey, Um, I've been listening
Speaker 1: to your predictions all year. Don't beat yourself up. You
Speaker 1: might forgetting like it. I mean, it's like it's it's lucky,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of funny. Um, it was a tough,
Speaker 1: tough game. Um, I had a kind of a question
Speaker 1: for you. Um, the um pop had a lot of opportunities. UM,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I'm breaking up. That's sorry, Craig, call back,
Speaker 1: get a better line, and um, yeah, well we'll be here.
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere, all right, We'll go to George
Speaker 1: and Illinois. George, go ahead. Thanks for joining us on
Speaker 1: the post game Show presented by Cyber Reason. What's up, George? Hey,
Speaker 1: I know you guys talked about the penalties and the
Speaker 1: times where we've shot ourselves in the flood for this game.
Speaker 1: But how concerned do you guys that those self inflicted
Speaker 1: wounds will will also kill us next week against Buffalo?
Speaker 1: I mean that's I hope not. I mean, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you've been good lately. Yeah, it'll it'll be it'll absolutely
Speaker 1: kill you. It'll kill you against any team or most
Speaker 1: any teams. But those kinds of penalties, the false starts,
Speaker 1: the pre snap stuff that can't happen. That that's something
Speaker 1: to where you know, when when it comes down to coaching,
Speaker 1: it's something that we just take for granted and have
Speaker 1: taken for granted so often and for so many years
Speaker 1: in New England that it's uh, it's something that you yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't spend any time worrying about, like ball security
Speaker 1: things like that. Okay, that's that is either you know,
Speaker 1: a personnel decisions, who's going to get the ball, who
Speaker 1: has more tendency to fumble things like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: the penalties, the self inflicted stuff, that's something you just
Speaker 1: you jump offside and a field goal, right, you have
Speaker 1: a false start on third and goal from the two.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of to kill Harry being back there.
Speaker 1: It's like, do you really have to coach a guy
Speaker 1: not to chase after you know, a punt. It's like,
Speaker 1: do you really have to coach up a team whatever
Speaker 1: you do, don't jump offside here? And we had to
Speaker 1: tell Kastanza that it wasn't okay, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: is that wrong? Like I have to I have to
Speaker 1: have like coaching points like Jono Smith. It's it's like
Speaker 1: second and one from the eight. I'm gonna you know not.
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to have a false start here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean stuff like that. George, Yes, it'll be.
Speaker 1: It will be catastrophic against Buffalo next week. Do I
Speaker 1: think they have to spend a lot of time working
Speaker 1: on it this week? Boy? I hope not. I hope
Speaker 1: it's something that just kind of goes without saying. They
Speaker 1: look at the film, they address it once and say, guys,
Speaker 1: do I even have to say it? Thank you? Let's
Speaker 1: move on. You're just you're not You're not talented enough
Speaker 1: to overcome that many mistakes, Like you have to play
Speaker 1: your game, and you know, that's this is what people
Speaker 1: have been talking about with Kansas City. Like Kansas City
Speaker 1: has been doing this stuff this whole time, and they
Speaker 1: keep winning. And that's why people think there's another gear
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs might have, Like one of these weeks,
Speaker 1: they're not going to turn it over twice. They're not
Speaker 1: going to commit for holding penalties to short circuit drives,
Speaker 1: you know, and then what I mean, they they generally
Speaker 1: find a way to score it you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: or thirty points every game. What's going to happen? When
Speaker 1: they stopped shooting themselves in the foot, which they even
Speaker 1: against the Chargers, they did it again with two more turnovers.
Speaker 1: Email here from Scott was Gunner really the best option
Speaker 1: to throw the ball too on that fourth down to
Speaker 1: end the game? I get that Henry was out, and
Speaker 1: I believe Aglore was too, But Gunnar Olschevski over right,
Speaker 1: not to Hunter or Myers. Gunner. Yeah, it's it's over
Speaker 1: when it's over, though, I mean it was over, okay.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk to Robin in Florida, Robin on the Patriots
Speaker 1: postgame Show presented by cyber Reason. Hi, Robin, Any guys,
Speaker 1: you know my opinion, woll thing. Just let macimack. I mean,
Speaker 1: he won a national championship. What have you done Bill
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years? Nothing? Let Maximac? Right?
Speaker 1: How so this? Let macbimack? Well? How so? What did
Speaker 1: you want to do? What did you want? Why the baby?
Speaker 1: Why the baby? What was the baby? What was the
Speaker 1: baby championship? Okay, I heard, I know that Mac won
Speaker 1: the national championship. Bill has won six Super Bowls, so
Speaker 1: we don't have to compare resumes because they don't compare
Speaker 1: what what did he do to not let MacB mac? Okay,
Speaker 1: can you give us an example tonight of the babying
Speaker 1: takes off? Okay, what is the what? What diaper is on?
Speaker 1: We lose? We lose? What can you give me an
Speaker 1: example tonight? Just one example of the diaper being on?
Speaker 1: Because the quarterback cost you the game early he was off. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. Okay, thank you, Robin mac cook.
Speaker 1: Let's quarterback was awful at the start of this gaming.
Speaker 1: He was as big a reason as any as to
Speaker 1: why you were behind. See how you play with you're
Speaker 1: being forced to wear a diaper? Here? He won a
Speaker 1: national championship, Paul, they should let Mac be Mac. We're
Speaker 1: comparing resumes between Mac Jones and Bill Belichick. How many
Speaker 1: national championships has Bill Belichick won in the last like
Speaker 1: because billion he doesn't want to. If he wanted to,
Speaker 1: he could. Yeah, yess pro. They gotta take the handcuffs off.
Speaker 1: Let him go out there and be the gun slinger.
Speaker 1: See if he see even get two more receivers killed
Speaker 1: in the next game. That was a nice interception, though.
Speaker 1: You gotta give the close guy credit me. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a grab now, I mean he he jumps the route,
Speaker 1: but you saw it unfolding. I saw it unfolding. His
Speaker 1: ass happening. He made a great catch, but that there's
Speaker 1: no way that ball was being complete. Six passes and
Speaker 1: nineteen runs. Diapers, Evan and Denver? What's going on? Evan? Hey? Fellas, Hey, hey?
Speaker 1: So all three phases of the game looked completely in
Speaker 1: that tonight. Offense, defense, special teams, they all looked completely horrible.
Speaker 1: And I just want to know how you come on.
Speaker 1: I know the Cults were in the same boat, but
Speaker 1: how do you come off? By week it looks so
Speaker 1: inept in all three phases against the Colts. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just flat too. I mean, it's just the I mean,
Speaker 1: they talked a lot about the practice week, and like
Speaker 1: I get annoyed with that, only because they always tell
Speaker 1: us actively. They always tell us when they win, you know,
Speaker 1: what a great week of practice was, and when it loose,
Speaker 1: when they lose, after, you know, we find out how
Speaker 1: bad it was. That it's just an annoying thing, but
Speaker 1: it's probably accurate, Like they probably didn't practice as well
Speaker 1: as they have been. I don't know why that is,
Speaker 1: but you mean it's it's it's hard to figure these
Speaker 1: things out, you know. I mean, it's a game played
Speaker 1: by humans. They played much more, uh like they did
Speaker 1: in the first six weeks than they have the last seven.
Speaker 1: They played tonight. All right, Evan, thanks for the call.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's a tough one because he's right.
Speaker 1: Evan's right. They were not good on any of the phases,
Speaker 1: like even you know you're looking at defensively, you know,
Speaker 1: the the numbers defensively are going to be solid. Two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five yards really only twenty points the point,
Speaker 1: you know, and and your your apol I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that as the game is unfolding before that last touchdown.
Speaker 1: Really it's really only seventeen points because they gave him
Speaker 1: a field goal without even giving up a first down, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know the field position and all that. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, not a not a ton on the defense.
Speaker 1: You still allow the one guy on the Colts offense
Speaker 1: to beat you, and he's that he's the only guy,
Speaker 1: and he did and two for ten on third downs.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy, which is good numbers. But then
Speaker 1: you add in the three for three on fourth down.
Speaker 1: It's like five for ten on third down. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: fourth down, but I mean how the fourth downwards all
Speaker 1: like what yard less? They were all inches? But that's
Speaker 1: my point, like, so, yeah, you stopped him inches short
Speaker 1: of the first down on those third downs, you know,
Speaker 1: close enough that I believe, well at least two of them,
Speaker 1: I think all three of them were from the cold
Speaker 1: side of the field. Can we can we mention to
Speaker 1: the uh the passes up the scene continue to be
Speaker 1: from trouble area for for mac Jones, that's that's just
Speaker 1: we talked about it this week and it started in
Speaker 1: training camp. It was just balls in danger throwing up
Speaker 1: the scene the couple tonight. I just you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't really I can't really remember the last time I
Speaker 1: saw him actually hit a scene pass. You know. It's
Speaker 1: just they're always Harry, hold your breath, A bunch of
Speaker 1: guys are holding them and you know, and then the
Speaker 1: other the interception to the outside too, that was, I mean,
Speaker 1: not up the scene. But how about this fourth down
Speaker 1: that that was showing the quick sprint out? Was that
Speaker 1: play had no chance? No, I'm not sure what was
Speaker 1: going on there. Uh. Eldred in North Carolina. Our friend Eldred,
Speaker 1: what's going on? My my? Like I was killing so late,
Speaker 1: I got well, confound coach Jersey for a week now
Speaker 1: for a week. That sucks? Is it at least that
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor Jersey I have the worst part is that
Speaker 1: he doesn't even play there anymore. Isn't a Bronco yelled
Speaker 1: at me. Yeah, but he gotta. But he's a fake Manning.
Speaker 1: But but I'm with you, deuced. You know, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that we got this far and play for the first
Speaker 1: three but then O the Super Bowl team to me
Speaker 1: because of the offense and rookie quarterback. And like they
Speaker 1: said in in the the preview of the ESPN, Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin and Steven Smith, they said, we're gonna see it.
Speaker 1: If they could put Mac team on the should win
Speaker 1: the game. He did in the first three quarter, but
Speaker 1: he showed him something in the fourth quarter. But like
Speaker 1: Stephen Smith said, when you get behind like this, and
Speaker 1: because they play that same game playing against us, we
Speaker 1: don't have that go to guy, that go to wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That's a not to fift eighty twenty, he said. Because
Speaker 1: our receivers they like puppy, they get golt uh when
Speaker 1: when you really need them, if you've got to come
Speaker 1: from buying, you never win a shootout. You never win
Speaker 1: win And I've been saying that for about a week now,
Speaker 1: more than weeks, you know. But then again, like I said,
Speaker 1: we uh, I hope we uh we beat Buffalo. But
Speaker 1: I'm just just thinking obviously a little lot more hip
Speaker 1: even though Matt he's a rookie with kid by Guy
Speaker 1: kicked in, but he's a promising rookie. And I hope
Speaker 1: nobody even like like I said, this, don't scar him
Speaker 1: the wrong way, but give him, give him convert is
Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, and Eldred's it's a good point because
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about that earlier on in the
Speaker 1: season when the when the Pats faced the Jets and
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson throws four picks, and you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about how that can really scar a quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: think Mac is going to be happy, and he didn't
Speaker 1: look happy on the sideline tonight. I don't know that
Speaker 1: this game is enough to scar him and damage him.
Speaker 1: Though it was a bad game. Oh, I think he's
Speaker 1: pretty tough, Yeah, yeah, I think I don't. He's shown
Speaker 1: a lot of resilience. I I don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: That is just started like the show, like that's a
Speaker 1: given to me, the Patriots toughness, and I put Mac
Speaker 1: Jones in that category. He showed me enough that he's
Speaker 1: he puts bad plays behind him and moves on. He
Speaker 1: didn't play well tonight. Now he didn't play even as
Speaker 1: well as his numbers would show that he played. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't worry about him bouncing back because he's
Speaker 1: mentally scarred from his bad night to night. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm with you on all that, Paul, And I just
Speaker 1: I think that this was a good night for Mac
Speaker 1: just to learn and to go into this kind of
Speaker 1: environment and see how things can go, you know, when
Speaker 1: they don't go perfect and you're all of a sudden
Speaker 1: fighting it and your mistakes compounding. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a taste for him
Speaker 1: seeing I mean, he has fought even when they've been
Speaker 1: down before. But I just think overall taking content ass
Speaker 1: beating in Indie, it's all right if you believe in
Speaker 1: Mac Jones as the quarterback for the foreseeable future. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of game that he's going to learn
Speaker 1: a lot from and take forward Cassie and Philly Wright saying, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: been listening to a Peu and the post game show
Speaker 1: for a while. Tonight it was my first time listening
Speaker 1: to the pregame social looks like someone got there Christmas wish.
Speaker 1: I get that getting a loss before the playoffs might
Speaker 1: help them in the long run, but this game was
Speaker 1: painful to watch. I agree, that was painful. I guess
Speaker 1: better the Colts than the Bills. That said, love the show.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great Christmas, Cassie in Philly.
Speaker 1: That's nice. Yeah, I really felt like the Oh seven
Speaker 1: team could have used the loss like that. That's a
Speaker 1: team that like, I think that would have been nice
Speaker 1: for them, like to lose one of those games. In retrospect,
Speaker 1: now you find out, like for some candid comments from
Speaker 1: players after the fact, of how much pressure they felt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly they could have used to lost that. But right,
Speaker 1: we'll see, hopefully, hopefully this relocks them in on I
Speaker 1: just I wouldn't have been I did not expect them
Speaker 1: to be as unprepared, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: as they were. Tonight we have Alex in Chicago. Alex
Speaker 1: on the Patriots post game presented by Cyber Reason. Hello Alex,
Speaker 1: what's up, guys? Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous line. So I have a few quick
Speaker 1: takeaways and then I'll take it off the air, and
Speaker 1: if you guys have anything to say about any of them,
Speaker 1: I definitely to hear your guys's opinions. Number One, our
Speaker 1: linebacking corps looks like dinosaurs out there. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: really tired of this experiment of mixing these young guys
Speaker 1: and old guys. I think they've played well at times,
Speaker 1: but I'm okay to just tear things down as the
Speaker 1: studs and just build a younger defense because tonight had
Speaker 1: really showed. Number two again I called in things before.
Speaker 1: You have seven eight players on this team that only
Speaker 1: play special teams and special teams stuck again. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see us waste ross response on these special
Speaker 1: teams players unless we play perfect on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I think that's ridiculous. And number three, the
Speaker 1: last one, MAC has played at a plateau all year.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's played bad. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: played good, but it is starting to worry me. That
Speaker 1: we're not seeing another gear. I feel like we're seeing
Speaker 1: the same mac again and again and again, and I
Speaker 1: just want to see him safe at the next step.
Speaker 1: And I want to know if maybe you guys think
Speaker 1: we had taken some kind of step forward or if
Speaker 1: he's just sort of at the same level. So all
Speaker 1: three three good points to touch on their Alex Deuce,
Speaker 1: you want to start with the linebacker backers? Three real
Speaker 1: good points. I'm yeah, I'll start with the linebackers. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great question, you know, And when they're
Speaker 1: winning and it's all going well, everybody's really happy about
Speaker 1: how smart they are and how tough they are, and
Speaker 1: they can beat up the bills, and then you know,
Speaker 1: getting like this happens where you can't really stop the
Speaker 1: best running back in the league and they look slow
Speaker 1: and they miss tackles, and so I don't know what
Speaker 1: the answer is. I mean, I wish I could tell you.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm telling you this is somebody who's
Speaker 1: been like, you know, passionately following the Patriots defense for
Speaker 1: like fourteen years now and waiting for the speed a
Speaker 1: linebacker and these things to you know, take a new level,
Speaker 1: and you know, when they brought van noyback. I was surprised.
Speaker 1: It just felt like, Hey, are we going to ouch
Speaker 1: and this time and we bring Collins back, and well,
Speaker 1: I'll win a bitch or Ronnie Perkins? Are these guys
Speaker 1: if we're gonna So these are all the kind of
Speaker 1: things going through my head as we as we talked
Speaker 1: about this here at quarter one in the morning. But
Speaker 1: it's a great question for this offseason. Jamie Collins, Kyle
Speaker 1: Vin or sorry high Tower, they're up the quarts up.
Speaker 1: I think they've got decisions to make, But I don't
Speaker 1: think any of these other guys that they drafted are
Speaker 1: really ready to step into any of those roles. So
Speaker 1: that's where I land on it. Mike is I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that the young guys. I mean, they've been banged up,
Speaker 1: you know. Ooch Now this is two years in a row.
Speaker 1: He's been banged up a little bit, and I know
Speaker 1: he's ready to come back and practicing and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's I think Van Noy has
Speaker 1: actually been better over the last over the last few
Speaker 1: last few months, you know. So listen, it's tough after
Speaker 1: a night where you give up two hunder yards rushing
Speaker 1: to say, I don't think the linebackers are a problem.
Speaker 1: I do think they miss Bentley tonight. He went out early,
Speaker 1: and I think that I think that was a problem.
Speaker 1: I think missing him put Collins out there more probably
Speaker 1: than you want to have him out Vannoy more in
Speaker 1: the middle in a run oriented game you probably don't
Speaker 1: want is much Collins. I thought Collins competed well though,
Speaker 1: um he was involved in the interception. He got his
Speaker 1: hand on the pass, almost had another interception. Man, you
Speaker 1: know there is there is the almost pick, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was involved in, you know, a big tackle
Speaker 1: for a lot. I don't think the linebackers have been
Speaker 1: a disaster. Do I think that they need to get younger? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think that's going to happen. And
Speaker 1: even if they bring high Tower and mccordy and everybody
Speaker 1: back next year, they they've got a couple more years.
Speaker 1: It's like these guys are in their mid thirties, like
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna come. I'd like him later. Now, what
Speaker 1: was the second one? Special teams? Which has been There's
Speaker 1: been something that people have been harping on for years,
Speaker 1: and it's a valid point. If you are going to
Speaker 1: set aside money and have guys that are just there
Speaker 1: to play special teams. Uh, perfect is a lot to
Speaker 1: ask for, but it can't be what we saw tonight.
Speaker 1: Well I'll say this, and I say this every time
Speaker 1: I've asked this question. I don't know the roster makeup
Speaker 1: of every team, and I don't know how many guys
Speaker 1: that play special teams for the other teams are strictly
Speaker 1: special teamers. If you're telling me the Patriots have more
Speaker 1: than other teams, then I would say their special teams
Speaker 1: should be significantly better than other teams. But I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's that's the case. Okay, Um, In terms
Speaker 1: of Mac and that was the third point, I think
Speaker 1: he articulated that's a perfect point about a very good questions.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it in the least, but I
Speaker 1: think that he's been sort of Yeah. I think that's
Speaker 1: a positive that Yeah, And I wouldn't even say a plateau.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's been a season of ebbs and flows,
Speaker 1: and you know, the the high points. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a high point against the Jets. I think he had
Speaker 1: another one against against Cleveland. Yeah, I think those are
Speaker 1: those are probably the two high points. Um, but the
Speaker 1: Jets one. I know, you only play who you play,
Speaker 1: but you know, do you put that as as high
Speaker 1: as you would against performances against some other teams. That's
Speaker 1: that's a that's I don't but I don't take it
Speaker 1: away from him either. Don't take it away from I
Speaker 1: think he's been pretty consistent, and I think that's really
Speaker 1: good for a rookie quarterback. Rookie quarterbacks are usually wildly inconsistent.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been there. I agree with his the way
Speaker 1: he put it though, like I'm not concerned about the plateau,
Speaker 1: but I do think he's sort of been Like I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting to see a huge jump this year. I
Speaker 1: am not because this next time of the season where
Speaker 1: rookies tend to fall off, regardless of position they this
Speaker 1: is longer than he is. I mean duration wise, all right, Yes,
Speaker 1: they play into the new year, but it's with a
Speaker 1: three week break. You know, this is you know, this
Speaker 1: is more games than he's ever been accustomed to playing.
Speaker 1: And if anything, you actually see a drop off in
Speaker 1: a lot of rookies the way they're playing in their
Speaker 1: first year, just because this season is so much different
Speaker 1: with the number of games the schedule is different. So
Speaker 1: keep it in mind though that I feel the same
Speaker 1: way as Paul does do so I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about mac Jones at all, but I
Speaker 1: also don't I don't think you should be waiting for
Speaker 1: a great leap forward to still be happening this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think the delay a
Speaker 1: game today probably kind of an example one of those
Speaker 1: like rookie moments where just you know, losing track of
Speaker 1: the time of it all. But I do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we've talked a lot on the on PU
Speaker 1: just about you know, Max Ceiling and how do you
Speaker 1: judge him compared to other usual rookie quarterbacks on The
Speaker 1: point I made this week was that usually you got
Speaker 1: somebody like Justin Fields who has all the physical ability
Speaker 1: in the world. He just needs to catch up mentally
Speaker 1: to the game. And that's usually where you're at with
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback. Max a little bit different. He came in,
Speaker 1: he has a grasp of the offense, He kind of
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, and you know, you're wondering, all right, well,
Speaker 1: what is year two of somebody who understands it look like,
Speaker 1: what does it look like when they start really understanding
Speaker 1: it even more? And you know, add in obviously an
Speaker 1: NFL strength program and all the things that he'll get
Speaker 1: to do this offseason. So I but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie like I definitely, you know, have have some concerns
Speaker 1: about just, you know, how how good he really can be.
Speaker 1: I think he does a number of things on a
Speaker 1: very plus level or than you know, you might have expected.
Speaker 1: But h you know, I think here at the end,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna make the playoffs, if they're gonna make
Speaker 1: some noise, he's he's gonna have to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if just kind of keeping your hands at ten and
Speaker 1: two is going to get it done. Yeah. Uh. Kirk
Speaker 1: and Delaware says, I'm not upset with the decision to
Speaker 1: kick the field goal. I think it's a matter of
Speaker 1: how Bill views mistake prone games. He just can't trust
Speaker 1: players to stop making mistakes in key situations, and he
Speaker 1: decided to play it safe. I think if they don't
Speaker 1: commit that penalty, they absolutely go for it on fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean from the two yard line. From the two
Speaker 1: yard line, probably run it twice. But there is something
Speaker 1: to this where it's like, you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: Bill kind of seeing how things are playing out and
Speaker 1: going with the field of the game. I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: it past Bill to say, you know what, these guys
Speaker 1: can't get out of their own way tonight. What am
Speaker 1: I gonna And it's why am I going to allow
Speaker 1: them to go for it from that much further out
Speaker 1: when they're just going to screw it up. It's a
Speaker 1: good point. It's a good and what's the emailer kirk Kirk.
Speaker 1: It is a good point. And I think of just
Speaker 1: as a compat us in said that Tampa Bay, the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game. The end of the game, Patriots are
Speaker 1: trailing by two, fourth and three from I don't know,
Speaker 1: the forty yard line ish, maybe maybe the thirty eight
Speaker 1: because it's a fifty six yard field goal, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think Bill mentioned and I think I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna quote and you know, I'm paraphrasing the you know,
Speaker 1: the summation of what he said. I think they were
Speaker 1: three for thirteen that night on third down. You know,
Speaker 1: our offense wasn't you know, we weren't picking up their downs,
Speaker 1: weren't we weren't converting our offense wasn't converting, and I
Speaker 1: think that sort of illustrates what Kirk's point is, when
Speaker 1: things are going in a certain way, maybe you don't
Speaker 1: have as much confidence that it's going to just stop
Speaker 1: on this magical play. Like we haven't been doing it
Speaker 1: all night, we haven't been converting all night, but this
Speaker 1: is the play we're going to convert. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why Bill decided to kick the field goal that night.
Speaker 1: It's because he didn't feel like the offense was playing
Speaker 1: all that well that night he was eight, and then tonight,
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Speaker 1: You had a chance to get within a score and
Speaker 1: you passed it up. I think that's would have been
Speaker 1: changing my philosophy. But Kirk may be right as to why.
Speaker 1: In other words, if it was you know, let's say
Speaker 1: it was it was thirty eight to twenty eight instead
Speaker 1: of you know, twenty to ten with that field goal,
Speaker 1: maybe Build thinks differently. You know, you know, we're moving
Speaker 1: the ball, we're scoring, we're gonna shoot out. It's our turn.
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna get this. Yeah. Sorry. Kirk also
Speaker 1: says no, I'm also glad the Patriots had some adversity
Speaker 1: before the postseason. I agree with already would prefer the
Speaker 1: struggle early versus late. Yeah, I mean, all things being equal,
Speaker 1: they were just playing if they were playing great football
Speaker 1: and things were clicking on in all three phases, and
Speaker 1: you're just picking up wins. Great if you're winning games
Speaker 1: like they have here recently, not in spite of Mac
Speaker 1: or in spite of the offense, but really without a
Speaker 1: lot of offensive contributions. No, I feel a reality check
Speaker 1: is in order, right. It's like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I made a comment that, like, you know, how many
Speaker 1: of the wins would they have had with Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: playing quarterback? And I got, really, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of pushback for that, like, maybe the number isn't nine,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not. Maybe there's a couple of wins that
Speaker 1: Mac got that someone else wouldn't have. But I think
Speaker 1: for the most part, most of the wins have been
Speaker 1: we're going to run the ball, we're going to avoid mistakes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick field goals, and we're gonna play defense.
Speaker 1: Hasn't that been what most of the wins have been? Yeah,
Speaker 1: The Brian Hoyer company immediately brings up you know, his
Speaker 1: handling in the red zone against Kansas City. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, when he found out he was playing twenty
Speaker 1: four hours before the game. I look, I know, but
Speaker 1: in the toughest venue in the league at the time.
Speaker 1: It's just it's what people automatically think of, so they
Speaker 1: are reluctant to And I'm huge Brian Hoyer, Like I
Speaker 1: think Brian Hoyer is an average at best backup. But
Speaker 1: the way the games have unfolded, I think if you
Speaker 1: had just, you know, relatively mistake free quarterback play, you've
Speaker 1: had a chance to win a lot of the games.
Speaker 1: All Right, we have three calls and two emails all
Speaker 1: to get to here in the next ten minutes. We're
Speaker 1: gonna start with Ben and Maryland. Ben, go ahead, you're
Speaker 1: on the Patriots postgame show. Hi, thank you, um so
Speaker 1: man oh man phoot. Twitter tonight was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Um some people was saying like the file Belichick and
Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff. That pissed me off. But my
Speaker 1: question is, what do you guys think about, Like the
Speaker 1: play calling, especially in the red zone. Lots of foot
Speaker 1: downs within like the ten yard line, and we had
Speaker 1: to kick seal course, so yeah, yeah, d zone I
Speaker 1: thought the Colts defense dominated the game. I thought they
Speaker 1: dominated in the red zone. I thought they dominated out
Speaker 1: of the red zone and everywhere in between. How about
Speaker 1: this email Mark and Nova Scotia. How did the how
Speaker 1: in the hell did the Patriots get bullied so much?
Speaker 1: Both lines? Deuce called this early on man handled and
Speaker 1: lost the game. They were getting blown back on every play.
Speaker 1: Just disgusting, especially the old line. Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for for the Colts
Speaker 1: offensive line, so I, you know, not not as surprised,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's it's just the speed, the aggressiveness
Speaker 1: with which it's just I mean, you're we're watching the
Speaker 1: highlights that the Colts are flying around at ninety miles
Speaker 1: an hour, and you know, the Patriots sometimes looked like
Speaker 1: they're stuck in mud. It's just it was something right
Speaker 1: out of the gate. You could tell the energy that
Speaker 1: they brought to the game, and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's not what you've seen out of the Patriots when
Speaker 1: they've been on and ready to go. Odd is in Boston.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us Patriots postgame show. Hello Odd, Hey,
Speaker 1: guys are done good. I kind a couple of things
Speaker 1: just to start with. I guess, just, um, when's the
Speaker 1: last time you guys can remember a game? Uh this loppy?
Speaker 1: I guess just in terms of like I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe the Houston game. But I guess it's
Speaker 1: hard because we won that game. But just no, good,
Speaker 1: here's good. I think week six was filled with games
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, the first six weeks were filled
Speaker 1: with weeks like this, lots of penalties, turnovers. It is
Speaker 1: the third blocked punch of the season, So the first
Speaker 1: two happened in the first six weeks. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's been a while. It's you know that
Speaker 1: that was the key to the seven game winning streak.
Speaker 1: They cleaned that stuff up and didn't beat themselves tonight
Speaker 1: they beat themselves. Yeah. And then I also was wondering,
Speaker 1: like on the broadcast, if you guys could see Mac
Speaker 1: like he did. He look just like wrong to you guys,
Speaker 1: Like he looked like he was like stick, like he
Speaker 1: got his booster shot yesterday, or well then maybe he did.
Speaker 1: It's affecting some people more than others, like that he looked,
Speaker 1: he looked in shock. He looked in shock. After after
Speaker 1: the picks, they were all over him, he was under fire,
Speaker 1: he was throwing picks. Yeah, welcome to the NFL. Greg
Speaker 1: is in Rhode Island. Hello, Greg, thanks for joining us
Speaker 1: Patriots post game show. What's up? Hey? Great? Hey, how's
Speaker 1: it going y'all? Just real quick, I'm sorry, Paul. I
Speaker 1: listened to the Patriots and filter, and I heard a
Speaker 1: lot of the like we're gonna blow out the Poles.
Speaker 1: I wrote it in earlier, and I thought we were
Speaker 1: going to actually get blown out by the Cults. I
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be like thirty one ten something
Speaker 1: like that. I didn't get so far off. I thought
Speaker 1: they were a decent team. I guess. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: if you guys thought our game plan going into the
Speaker 1: game was just a little bit too conservative or too
Speaker 1: run centric. I'm just curious because because they're a good team.
Speaker 1: They're a decent team. I actually like, I think they're
Speaker 1: very similar to come to the Patriots, but very much so.
Speaker 1: We're probably probably better players individual players at every positional group.
Speaker 1: They've got probably better individual players than every positional group
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing the Patriots too. And
Speaker 1: I think that was smart to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think they merited images. I think Mike
Speaker 1: and I were talking about that all week. But just
Speaker 1: I just want to push back a little bit on
Speaker 1: the conservative start to the game. Like they ran the
Speaker 1: ball on first down in the first play of the game.
Speaker 1: Then it was pass pass pass pass, pass penalty penalty.
Speaker 1: So now you got a pass. Now you had a run.
Speaker 1: Here's a call that I hated. Second and nineteen run.
Speaker 1: Hated it, okay, and then and then mac is because
Speaker 1: they were they were like in midfield, weren't they. It
Speaker 1: was second and nineteen from the Patriots forty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they ran, but they came out throwing right, moved
Speaker 1: the ball. They well they for the first few plays
Speaker 1: they didn't really move the ball, but they came out
Speaker 1: throwing it. They got a first down, and then they
Speaker 1: committed penalties like that kills you. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like they ran for four yards on first down, then
Speaker 1: it's a pass or four yards, and then a pass
Speaker 1: for ten yards first down, and then a pass attempt
Speaker 1: that Mack ends up scrambling for another first down, right,
Speaker 1: so that's another and then they pass again and commit
Speaker 1: a penalty, and now you're in long yard and situations.
Speaker 1: So the penalties and sloppy play early on just absolutely yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: actually feel like it's weird because later in the game
Speaker 1: we had a lot of success throwing the ball a
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressively. Maybe that was just we were
Speaker 1: benefiting from the cold is changing their defenses, yes, philosophy. Yes,
Speaker 1: they stopped blitzing, they sat back in a soft, soft shell. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that came in the fourth quarter when they
Speaker 1: were down twenty to nothing. Right, hey, Greg, thanks what
Speaker 1: they call We appreciate it. We'll step aside one more
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Speaker 1: Here's Hardy. It seems like a long time ago, the uh,
Speaker 1: the the arguments about the wind in the Buffalo game
Speaker 1: with it. I just love taking the tiniest little things
Speaker 1: and making them like like Deuce hates Brady, which isn't
Speaker 1: true at all though. I just love making them like
Speaker 1: a huge thing out of him. And then Fred made
Speaker 1: the mistake of all time this week by accidentally muttering
Speaker 1: these words together. I don't think Matt Jones is that
Speaker 1: good like just happened. It was relation. It was in
Speaker 1: relation to Brady. Oh yeah, but nope, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: get it. Soundclip by Matt Morrel right right, which which
Speaker 1: I ordered? I ordered the code red. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: like to I would like to commission some audio production
Speaker 1: correct uh high of which did I get a fuck it?
Speaker 1: H No? I thought there was. I thought there was
Speaker 1: a good back and forth at the beginning of the show.
Speaker 1: I actually had it in mind as I was talking
Speaker 1: and trying to go to your head and he's trying
Speaker 1: to go a little bit into it. But and then
Speaker 1: James Stewart alerted me that it was going to be
Speaker 1: a best of for the week anyway, and I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think Max that good. Wow wow, And that's
Speaker 1: that sounds totally out of context too. It's the greatest
Speaker 1: thing ever, right it said, But it sounds genuine. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound out a context. I don't think Max that good, Wow, excellent, drop,
Speaker 1: well done all around, big the big boss Man. It's
Speaker 1: like it's not like it was something like it's it's
Speaker 1: not like he's the next Brady. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: that good. I think that's what he said. I go,
Speaker 1: I go, whoa, woa, whoa whoa. You heard it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Fred doesn't think mac Jones is that good. The inflection
Speaker 1: is right, everything about it is right. Yeah. Uh, Tim
Speaker 1: and New Hampshire. Any long term implications from what you
Speaker 1: saw during this loss, there's a good final question for
Speaker 1: the post game. Personally, this makes me worry for the
Speaker 1: run defense. So we allowed a team to beat us
Speaker 1: with less than fifteen pass attempt and we went in
Speaker 1: attempting to stop the runt. Listening to this season, look
Speaker 1: forward to becoming a long time listener. Thanks Tim ROSSI
Speaker 1: h long term that's a good says a worry. It's
Speaker 1: it's more of a concern than certainly going in at
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, but but I also think this is
Speaker 1: who I thought this Patriots team was. I think that
Speaker 1: they are one of the B level contenders in the AFC,
Speaker 1: and granted they're just about all B level contenders at
Speaker 1: this point, but you know, they have they have some flaws,
Speaker 1: they have issues, and the games need to go a
Speaker 1: certain way and they need to They certainly need to
Speaker 1: clean up the ball security and the penalties, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, going back to the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: we knew that they clean that up, they can beat anybody.
Speaker 1: If they don't, they can lose to anybody. All right,
Speaker 1: any other final thoughts on the game here tonight, Paul,
Speaker 1: Paul just one of those stinkers that they didn't do
Speaker 1: anything really well in the game, and they happened. It
Speaker 1: happened at a bad time. But um, you get a
Speaker 1: chance to write the ship with a huge game, huge,
Speaker 1: huge game. I don't think you can get enough hype
Speaker 1: that you know, for the Buffalo game, assuming Buffalo takes
Speaker 1: care of this tomorrow against Carolina, that that game next Sunday,
Speaker 1: the day after Christmas, will be enormous. And I mean
Speaker 1: not to jinx it, but I hope that we have
Speaker 1: fans and we're all there and it's goes off. Oh
Speaker 1: pish shaw, this will all magically go. Yeah. Uh, do
Speaker 1: not despair the Patriots. I don't think reasonably, I was
Speaker 1: expecting them to run the table and rattle off eleven
Speaker 1: straight wins. If a loss was coming, good, Have it
Speaker 1: happened tonight. Get your head right, get your bodies right,
Speaker 1: get the attitude and the game plan right for Buffalo
Speaker 1: a week from tomorrow here at Gillette Stadium. Everything's gonna
Speaker 1: be okay, okay, East Chance, Let's go. It has been written,
Speaker 1: let it be written, Let it be done. Final score
Speaker 1: for the final time Patriots seventeen. Oh we finally read
Speaker 1: it the right way. Oh wait, Indianapolis Colts twenty seven.
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