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Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio. And yes,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Women Around the World. I

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Speaker 1: have to say, it's probably one of my favorite things

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Speaker 1: I do want to put a trigger warning. Nothing big

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Speaker 1: or significant. But the woman were about to talk about

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Speaker 1: not too many things, and her story is fascinating, but

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Speaker 1: just to go ahead and put that up there if

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Speaker 1: you don't already know who she is. But before we

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Speaker 1: jump into that, Annie, did you have any aspirations and

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Speaker 1: being in the medical field. I did, I absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: I will tell me about this. Yeah, um, I know

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Speaker 1: I told the story before, like in third grade where

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Speaker 1: I remember people did like tornado chaser or dancer and

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Speaker 1: one day. That's amazing seeing you dress up as a

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Speaker 1: BOWLA you're right as a missed opportunity. Um, And I

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Speaker 1: to help people, but then sexism, Samantha. I got in

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Speaker 1: my head that like doctors, women couldn't do maths very well.

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Speaker 1: So I dropped out of calculus. I just got really

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Speaker 1: then I was like, can I could kill someone if

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