Speaker 1: The day of nine eleven, I was actually off and
Speaker 1: had to go in my husband's also reporter. We were
Speaker 1: both working in the National Press Building. The rumors were
Speaker 1: that the Press building was also under attack, and so
Speaker 1: that was pretty scary, thinking, you know, we could be
Speaker 1: leaving our kids orphans. Imagine having the kind of job
Speaker 1: where you always have to run toward rather than away
Speaker 1: from danger. That's the kind of job Karen Macpherson had
Speaker 1: on nine eleven. But that day changed everything for Karen.
Speaker 1: Her story in a moment. First, here's Sean Hannity to
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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Mencher. Karen Macpherson wanted to be a journalist
Speaker 1: her whole life, and she had found steady and meaningful
Speaker 1: work in that profession until the day she realized there
Speaker 1: was one thing more important than her success in the
Speaker 1: newspaper business. But we're getting ahead of the story, which
Speaker 1: starts ironically, as you'll see, with a children's book called
Speaker 1: Harriet the Spy. Harriet the Spy had a very interesting life,
Speaker 1: taking notes and spying on her neighbors and friends, and
Speaker 1: then sort of writing things up, and she at one
Speaker 1: point ends up being part of the newspaper at her school.
Speaker 1: And I thought, wow, that's so interesting. And I had
Speaker 1: thought that I wanted to be a writer. And my mother,
Speaker 1: ever practical, would say, you know, you need to think
Speaker 1: of something kind of writing if you're interested in writing
Speaker 1: that you can make a living from. And I thought, well,
Speaker 1: in this book, there's this news paper. Now she's just
Speaker 1: it's just a school newspaper. But that started me thinking
Speaker 1: about newspapers in general. So it was about then that
Speaker 1: I started thinking that I might want to be a
Speaker 1: newspaper reporter. Talking about her work got Karen thinking about
Speaker 1: her dad's career. She imagined that his parents had a
Speaker 1: path picked out for him. He was a rather wild
Speaker 1: and crazy person. He went to Catholic high school and
Speaker 1: was destined by his parents. They decided he would be
Speaker 1: the priest. His older brother was going to be the doctor.
Speaker 1: To be a priest, he'd have to get through seminary,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't very long before he was kicked out
Speaker 1: for drinking and women. So so I think the army
Speaker 1: and the para troops particularly was a good place for
Speaker 1: my dad because you can do that kind of sort
Speaker 1: of wild and crazy stuff, but it's for the army
Speaker 1: unless it's sanctioned. My dad died very young at age
Speaker 1: fifty two, and towards the end of his life he
Speaker 1: really came to the conclusion that he really wanted to
Speaker 1: be doing something different. So he actually changed careers at
Speaker 1: the end of his life and he became a teacher,
Speaker 1: high school teacher. Now, tell me about your mom. Did
Speaker 1: she work outside the home, Did she have a profession?
Speaker 1: Did she go to school for something in particular? Yes,
Speaker 1: my mom actually was one of the original people working,
Speaker 1: at least in my neighborhood, working outside the home. She
Speaker 1: at one time she was the only one working out,
Speaker 1: the only mom working outside the home. My mother had
Speaker 1: taken one year off when I was born, and my
Speaker 1: father basically said, you need to go back to work.
Speaker 1: My mother was a teacher and she started She loved
Speaker 1: teaching high school, but um, as she had me and
Speaker 1: then later my sister, she ended up teaching kindergarten for
Speaker 1: a while because it was really no daycare near us
Speaker 1: because most moms were home. If your mom was the
Speaker 1: only one working outside the home, did the other wives
Speaker 1: look at her askance or do you have any sense
Speaker 1: of any of that? Oh? Yeah, definitely. The My mom
Speaker 1: was regarded as sort of an oddity, and she was
Speaker 1: a little hard for I think it was hard for her.
Speaker 1: It was a little hard for me. And then later
Speaker 1: some of the women in that neighborhoods started going out
Speaker 1: to work for pay, and they said, wasn't like they
Speaker 1: weren't working, They just were working in the house, and
Speaker 1: certainly that was regarded as as uh, you know, what
Speaker 1: women should do at that time. As Karen went through school,
Speaker 1: first high school, then college, she was on the path
Speaker 1: to becoming a journalist, something she had longed for since
Speaker 1: her Harriet the Spy days. Her path was clear. From
Speaker 1: Trinity College in Washington, d C. She'd go to the
Speaker 1: most respected journalism school in the country, Columbia University. But
Speaker 1: there was one small problem. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: competition to get in and in fact, um I missed
Speaker 1: this sort of one step, and that when I was
Speaker 1: in college, that's when the Watergate hearings were held, and
Speaker 1: there was Bernstein and Woodward and everybody wanted to be
Speaker 1: a reporter. Carl and I were on the Metropolitan staff,
Speaker 1: and when we were first told that looks like the
Speaker 1: dimensions of this or greater that there had been wired tapping,
Speaker 1: maybe lives were in danger. Carl said, We've got to
Speaker 1: go see Bradley skip the chain of command totally. And
Speaker 1: you called him it am at home. We have to
Speaker 1: come see you. That's Bob Woodward talking about Watergate and
Speaker 1: his work with Carl Bernstein at an event commemorating the
Speaker 1: thirty fifth anniversary of the film All the President's Men.
Speaker 1: The discussion took place at the Harry Ransom Center, University
Speaker 1: of Texas. Bradley is Ben Bradley at the time, the
Speaker 1: executive editor of the Washington Post. And so we go
Speaker 1: to his house and he comes to the door and
Speaker 1: his jammies or bathrobe or something, and then we say,
Speaker 1: you can't, we can't talk in the house. We have to.
Speaker 1: We're totally crazy, right, And it was, you know, in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, you're gonna take me out
Speaker 1: on a lot of my underwear, and you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of think, is he going to call the guys
Speaker 1: with the white coats to have these guys hauled off?
Speaker 1: And we start, we tell him that this is all
Speaker 1: going to explode, you know. The rest Ben Bradley and
Speaker 1: Post owner Katherine Graham backed the reporting duo the Watergate
Speaker 1: hearing's deep throat. Suddenly it was as if everyone was
Speaker 1: heating the lessons of Harriet the Spy, wanting to write
Speaker 1: things down and change the world. So my little clear
Speaker 1: path of me going into Columbia was almost disrupted because
Speaker 1: I remember the Dean of students at Columbia saying to
Speaker 1: me when I interviewed with him that while you certainly
Speaker 1: would be a perfect candidate, but now we're thinking about
Speaker 1: letting people have never had any interest in journalism more
Speaker 1: suddenly inspired because we feel like that's important too. And
Speaker 1: I remember just being crestfallen that that might, like somebody
Speaker 1: like that might take a place for me when I
Speaker 1: really had wanted this all, you know, for all these years,
Speaker 1: but there was competition for sure. Now let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about Watergate, because it must have inspired
Speaker 1: you as well, there is a generation of reporters, Unfortunately
Speaker 1: they're getting well, for better or words, they're getting a
Speaker 1: little older now who were held to go into journalism
Speaker 1: by Watergate. I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Vice President for will be sworn in as president at
Speaker 1: that hour. In this office, you know, kids throw around
Speaker 1: the word my kids awesome all the time, which and
Speaker 1: I remember feeling this incredible awe that I will not
Speaker 1: be here. And Bob and I were in the office
Speaker 1: and we watched that speech and the Catherine handed sandwiches
Speaker 1: those who wanted to stay that night. Catherine the first thing,
Speaker 1: Katherine Graham came downstairs and she said, no gloating. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you there was no reason to gloat. It
Speaker 1: was a moment of such awe that that that the system,
Speaker 1: the system had worked, and we had been a part
Speaker 1: of that working. Uh, and the right thing had happened.
Speaker 1: You know, Woodward Bernstein became kind of heroes. But what
Speaker 1: specifically about what they did do you think made people
Speaker 1: want to go into the newspaper business People found that
Speaker 1: there was a way of truth telling that they hadn't
Speaker 1: really seen before. I think that for many people, and
Speaker 1: I would say myself included, it was exciting to see
Speaker 1: that something you wrote could actually make this kind of
Speaker 1: thing happen, and all this drama and you know, some
Speaker 1: tragedy and it all, it's just it's just compelling h
Speaker 1: in that way, the way that the story came about.
Speaker 1: And I for me, because I was already in wash
Speaker 1: in d C, I could go to some of the
Speaker 1: hearings and in fact, with some teachers blessings, they would
Speaker 1: say let's just skip class and head off to the hearings.
Speaker 1: You could hang out in the back of the room whatever.
Speaker 1: And to see that up close and in person was
Speaker 1: pretty amazing, frankly. And then the sonalities for me, the
Speaker 1: personalities was were very interested. Why did somebody you know,
Speaker 1: want to do what they did in Watergate? And then
Speaker 1: how did somebody like Bernsteining Woodward who in some ways
Speaker 1: just sort of fell into a lot of this It's almost,
Speaker 1: i don't know, like a Greek drama that was happening
Speaker 1: right in front of us. So I think that really
Speaker 1: helped um interest. A lot of people are kind of
Speaker 1: eleven Climate table about three five girl. If Watergate brought
Speaker 1: tons of people into journalism. The other headline story of
Speaker 1: Karen's generation happened on September eleventh, two thousand one. Everything
Speaker 1: on their plane, that's so. Can you look at you
Speaker 1: window right now? Can you see God about four thousands
Speaker 1: feet about five fearful right now looks like he's yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't okay, really what this is? What I foresee
Speaker 1: that we probably need to do. We need to talk
Speaker 1: to f A. We need to tell them if this
Speaker 1: stuff is gonna keep on going, we need to take
Speaker 1: those fighters, put them over Manhattan. There is a or
Speaker 1: of the black smoke. In the last position, I gave
Speaker 1: you good evening. Today, our fellow citizens, our way of life,
Speaker 1: our very freedom came under attack in a series of
Speaker 1: deliberate and deadly terrorist acts. Karen Macpherson was on the
Speaker 1: job that day and on September twelve to my editors said,
Speaker 1: I want what they wanted me to go into the
Speaker 1: Pentagon and get the story in there. So quit. The
Speaker 1: metro into the Pentagon was closed, so we had to
Speaker 1: take a bus to the outskirts of the Pentagon. And
Speaker 1: as I was walking from the bus to the through
Speaker 1: the parking lot, people were running, dozens of people running
Speaker 1: towards me, away from the Pentagon because it was a
Speaker 1: rumor again that it was under attack, and it was
Speaker 1: sort of like, at that moment, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure why I'm doing this. There are hundreds,
Speaker 1: if not thousands of journalists who are writing the same
Speaker 1: story right now about nine eleven, and why is it
Speaker 1: that I should be jeopardizing my family for this? And
Speaker 1: I also the other part of this is in fairness
Speaker 1: to my employers. If you are a reporter and you're
Speaker 1: really committed, you run towards danger. That's the nature of
Speaker 1: the business. And I decided I just really didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that anymore. It wasn't important to me to
Speaker 1: do that anymore. So that's when I started thinking about
Speaker 1: it um and that day, I'll just say it was
Speaker 1: a very eerie experience because I did end up obviously
Speaker 1: that was a false rumor, and I did go into
Speaker 1: the Pentagon and where I had been it's like a
Speaker 1: city over there, and I was wandering around quarters where
Speaker 1: there was no one, no one, and it was it
Speaker 1: was an eerie feeling. So that sort of added to
Speaker 1: my feeling that I'm just, you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: think I should be here. Now. Let's unpack that just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, you're off, it's it's your nine eleven,
Speaker 1: it's the day you're not working. You how did you
Speaker 1: first get news that there were these airplanes crashing into
Speaker 1: the World Trade Center. Well, my husband was also a reporter,
Speaker 1: and he was at work and he said he called
Speaker 1: me and said, turn on the television and something awful
Speaker 1: is happening. And that's how I first saw. And then
Speaker 1: my beer chief called and said, we need you in here.
Speaker 1: You say you didn't really have a choice, But you
Speaker 1: did have a choice, didn't you. I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: loved your job. You were used to responding, you were
Speaker 1: used to that person telling you you know what you
Speaker 1: needed to do. Um, but you did have a choice.
Speaker 1: I guess I had a choice, but I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like I had a choice because my job was the
Speaker 1: one that we had were all on my job, my
Speaker 1: health benefits on for my job, and I wasn't sure,
Speaker 1: you know, what would happen if I didn't go in.
Speaker 1: And you know, I just I think in an emergency
Speaker 1: like that, you just think, Okay, I'll go in. And
Speaker 1: I knew that we did have a good friend who
Speaker 1: would take care of the kids. And would make sure
Speaker 1: that they did not see the things on TV. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, would would comfort them and would
Speaker 1: be with them. So I wasn't too worried about the
Speaker 1: kids at that point. I was worried about the press
Speaker 1: building thing. And before I went into the press building,
Speaker 1: I did understand. I did hear from somebody just outside
Speaker 1: that that had been a rumor, so I felt okay
Speaker 1: about going in. But still the adrenaline must have kicked
Speaker 1: in at some point, and also, you know, the journalist
Speaker 1: part of you must have kicked in and said, I
Speaker 1: have this job to do. This is obviously the biggest
Speaker 1: story of my lifetime. Definitely, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: was definitely part of it. You're right, the adrenaline does
Speaker 1: kick in, and of course, you know what was heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so hard to cover because you know,
Speaker 1: my story is nothing compared to what people whose love
Speaker 1: loved ones died, and what's the suffering that happened that day.
Speaker 1: It's incredible to think of, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: you know, you just you just in a way of
Speaker 1: responding to it as a reporter, you just your only
Speaker 1: response is basically to try to bring out the story
Speaker 1: and maybe hope it doesn't happen again. What did you
Speaker 1: write that day? What was what was important to the
Speaker 1: folks that you were writing for that day? Basically was
Speaker 1: an atmospheric piece. I talked to people who were still
Speaker 1: working there, um, you know. And then it was also
Speaker 1: I remember there was an element there's with daycare, uh,
Speaker 1: Pentagon daycare, and there was I remember trying to find
Speaker 1: more information about that. I don't think I was able
Speaker 1: to find too much information about that, but luckily that
Speaker 1: wasn't not in the line of attack. Good Morning in
Speaker 1: different languages, and see if you can hear me with
Speaker 1: your ears. Okay, here we go one to three. Good morning.
Speaker 1: So that was English. Let's try Spanish. Here we go
Speaker 1: one to three. Let's try French, my other language. We're
Speaker 1: going to take a short break, and when we return,
Speaker 1: Karen's decision to go back to school, her new career,
Speaker 1: how it meshes with everything she's done up until now,
Speaker 1: and how this chapter of her life is different from
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to on the Job from Hired to Retired,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. Karen Macpherson is
Speaker 1: now the children's librarian at the Tacoma Park, Maryland Public Library.
Speaker 1: Her decision to try a new career was accelerated by
Speaker 1: the feeling that her job as a reporter put her
Speaker 1: in danger sometimes and that her role as a member
Speaker 1: of her family was more important than the glory of
Speaker 1: continuing to face that potential danger. In order to make
Speaker 1: the switch, she needed to go back to school. It
Speaker 1: took me five and a half years to get my
Speaker 1: master's degree, which is a long time. Um, I had
Speaker 1: to get permission to go for that last half of
Speaker 1: a year because you are supposed to have gotten your
Speaker 1: degree by five years. But they did give me permission
Speaker 1: because I just needed to take one more class. So now,
Speaker 1: what are one or two of the classes that that
Speaker 1: you did take, especially ones that might have been of
Speaker 1: the highest interest for you, right, okay, Well I have
Speaker 1: to tell you. When I first and like many people
Speaker 1: who go to a library school, at first you're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: books and all that, but it's it's these days, it's
Speaker 1: mostly technology. It's it's called information studies information science. But
Speaker 1: the classes I like the best of course where I
Speaker 1: took a class and Children's litt Nature. That was an elective.
Speaker 1: I took a class in Young Adult Literature, another elective,
Speaker 1: and then the one that I want to switched tracks
Speaker 1: part way through. Uh, it was Children's Services in the
Speaker 1: Public Library, and that was probably the most important class
Speaker 1: I took because it's really related directly to what I
Speaker 1: do now. Whenever you're the milkshake, here we go, you
Speaker 1: news he a little milk, poor milk, and you take
Speaker 1: a little cream, pour some cream. Eventually, Karen figured out
Speaker 1: where her main interests were and she headed down the
Speaker 1: path she's on now. Guys, ready, yip, shake, shake, shake up,
Speaker 1: Shake up. Now, just to look backwards over your shoulder
Speaker 1: a little bit the the years in which this is happening,
Speaker 1: and starting with your interest in going through nine eleven
Speaker 1: up to the current time, approximately I've read sixty of
Speaker 1: newspaper jobs in the country went away. Yes, and so
Speaker 1: was that any part of your decision making process that
Speaker 1: looking around and thinking that this is not a growth
Speaker 1: opportunity here? It was starting to be as I as
Speaker 1: I was continuing through school, but more towards the end
Speaker 1: of it, because I guess I always felt that, well,
Speaker 1: I could get a job because of all the experience
Speaker 1: I had as a newspaper reporter. But you know, it
Speaker 1: turned out that, you know, my job didn't go away,
Speaker 1: and the jobs were not that easy to as a journalist,
Speaker 1: and we're not that easy to get. Running. Circle time
Speaker 1: is a very different thing than story time. Circle time
Speaker 1: is when you have a group of kids, usually a
Speaker 1: pretty large group of kids and adults, and the kids
Speaker 1: are anywhere from birth through age five live, so you
Speaker 1: don't there's no way if you're having fifty or sixty
Speaker 1: kids and adults in a space. There's no way that
Speaker 1: you can have everybody sit and quietly read books. A
Speaker 1: book that's going to work for everybody, it's just not
Speaker 1: going to happen. So the idea of circle time is
Speaker 1: that you are doing a lot of kinesthetic learning with
Speaker 1: your body, and you're learning rhymes, and you're doing finger
Speaker 1: plays and songs and that is all very valid ways
Speaker 1: to learn um early literacy concepts and sort of building
Speaker 1: on that even a baby. You're doing this and they
Speaker 1: are getting your getting your baby ready to read. We
Speaker 1: know that now from the brain research you shake it
Speaker 1: all about, that's what your right. So several time becomes
Speaker 1: it's a very common unity building thing. But we are
Speaker 1: also learning and helping our kids get ready for reading.
Speaker 1: And it's not just the kids who are learning. The
Speaker 1: adults are learning how to do this kind of thing
Speaker 1: with their child or the children they care for. We
Speaker 1: have a number of caregivers to come to circle time
Speaker 1: as well. When I first started this job, I really
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand how much of our performer I had
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I'm saying I dance the hokey pokey,
Speaker 1: I speak, you know, I it's a it's a whole
Speaker 1: thing which I was used to being a reporter and
Speaker 1: asking people questions and they were the performer basically in
Speaker 1: that sense. And here I am now up on the
Speaker 1: stage whatever, and I become a public persona because as
Speaker 1: as children's librarians are everywhere in any community, there they be.
Speaker 1: You know, you walk down the street and you see
Speaker 1: little kids and they're like, oh, there's miss Santo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are of you. You are a public persona. So
Speaker 1: when you're most philosophical, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: see your role? Well? I guess I see my role
Speaker 1: as sort of a guide or a shepherd perhaps maybe
Speaker 1: sort of shepherding both the kids, uh and at first
Speaker 1: kids in their adults they're grown ups, um. And then
Speaker 1: later on more the kids you know, into um sort
Speaker 1: of the world of books, the world of ideas uh,
Speaker 1: and then sort of empowering them to sort of become
Speaker 1: their best person out in the world and to grow.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a gift uh and a huge
Speaker 1: responsibility that to be if you do it right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can really have have an impact on the next generation.
Speaker 1: There is he following me? Oh my goodness, are going
Speaker 1: to see this? Okay? Now do you have a timeline
Speaker 1: about retiring from this role. I know you live in
Speaker 1: this community, uh nine miles from the White House where
Speaker 1: we're sitting, where all of the people in town who
Speaker 1: are have government jobs are starting to retire. Lots of friends,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and other people that you know, what does
Speaker 1: all of that look like for you? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I have thought about it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I love my job so much. It's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I still have a few years before turning
Speaker 1: sixty five, and I feel like I feel that I
Speaker 1: really enjoy it so much that I don't want to stop.
Speaker 1: I do see a lot of my friends who have
Speaker 1: worked in the same career for so many years. They're
Speaker 1: tired and they're ready to retire. But I actually had
Speaker 1: that sort of ten years ago, got to change careers,
Speaker 1: and that has given sort of new life to my
Speaker 1: interest in my you know, in what I'm doing. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I realized, you know, we all have
Speaker 1: a finite amount of time here on the earth, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't want to miss my opportunity
Speaker 1: to have some time totally to myself with my husband
Speaker 1: and family and travel and do things like that. So
Speaker 1: I'm still it's still in the future, so I'm still
Speaker 1: very much weighing, you know, what I would do, But
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to be smart and think
Speaker 1: about some kind of an end date at some point,
Speaker 1: because I do feel like I might run out of
Speaker 1: time before that. What would you do if the boss
Speaker 1: came in today and said she's gotten some bad news
Speaker 1: from the city council. Uh, we're not really able to
Speaker 1: have a children's librarian anymore. What would you do? Wow,
Speaker 1: I guess I would say I would say, let's let's
Speaker 1: figure out how we can convince them. Otherwise, give me
Speaker 1: some advice. I'm someone who has had a career. I'm
Speaker 1: in my forties, maybe early fifties. The career I have,
Speaker 1: I realize, is not the exact thing that I really
Speaker 1: want to be doing. How do I get started going
Speaker 1: toward the light, you know, going toward that place where
Speaker 1: you are at where where one could say, gosh, she's
Speaker 1: really doing what she wants to do, and I envy that,
Speaker 1: and that's what a great place to be, right, I
Speaker 1: guess I would think about start by thinking about what
Speaker 1: you like to do that that gives you happiness and
Speaker 1: fulfillment that your job currently is not, and so what's that?
Speaker 1: What is that? So for me, way back when, that
Speaker 1: was children's literally chure writing that I was doing that
Speaker 1: as a sideline, so that was what and I like
Speaker 1: working with kids. So okay, so what careers? What could
Speaker 1: you do with that? And start sort of researching things
Speaker 1: you might work with a career coach some I know
Speaker 1: some people who have done that recently, and uh, then
Speaker 1: I guess I would start. Once you decide what you're
Speaker 1: interested in, then start thinking about, well, okay, how could
Speaker 1: I do that? What are the obstacles towards doing it?
Speaker 1: For example, you know, having to still work and go
Speaker 1: to school, and then see how you could get past
Speaker 1: those obstacles or at least get over those obstacles. Also
Speaker 1: be willing to take help in any form from your
Speaker 1: friends and family. Really, it does take a feel lege.
Speaker 1: It took a village for me to get to change
Speaker 1: careers to get this master's degree, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: really looking at it um at first, I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: I could do it. I was pretty daunted by the
Speaker 1: idea of having to get another master's but with a
Speaker 1: family and working, But you can do it. If you,
Speaker 1: I think you just need to accept help, and I
Speaker 1: also do I think you have to be realistic about
Speaker 1: how hard it may be. That's all for this edition
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