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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com. Gentleman, how about it? The Big Red Rage,
Speaker 1: the first of the monte Asinford era, as he is
Speaker 1: the new GM and wolf You've been talking about it
Speaker 1: all week and we'll get some top takeaways. But in
Speaker 1: terms of maybe what you expected versus what transpired, how
Speaker 1: would you assess that In the naming of Monty Ostenford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: PAULA Man, I was pretty jacked up. I love his background,
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. I love the teams that he's come
Speaker 1: from and been associated with. Definitely wanted to hear more
Speaker 1: of his personal beliefs on football of course and the
Speaker 1: football universe, and I really liked it. If you're asking
Speaker 1: me right now what my big takeaways were from this
Speaker 1: press conference and meeting Monty Ostenford. Number one, there's a
Speaker 1: new sheriff in town. That was that was number one ball.
Speaker 1: There's a new sheriff in town, a number two. With
Speaker 1: that is going to come a new culture as well,
Speaker 1: and a new way of doing things, and I loved
Speaker 1: what I was I was hearing smart, tough, disciplined, physical.
Speaker 1: These are the things to me that I think the
Speaker 1: new culture of the Arizona Cardinals will be going forward,
Speaker 1: and it's very familiar to me, and I like that.
Speaker 1: I would say my takeaways Paul the first couple, and
Speaker 1: they're they're fairly specific. One we talk about where he's
Speaker 1: from and the teams he's been around, which has been
Speaker 1: the Titans the last three years and then mostly the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and we all know what kind of histories that those
Speaker 1: teams have in recent times, which are good ones. But
Speaker 1: we also know that with Patriots Patriots people that have
Speaker 1: come out and done this stuff, there's a mixed bag
Speaker 1: sometimes on how it's worked out. And I loved how
Speaker 1: he noted that he's going to take a little from
Speaker 1: everywhere he's been. But one, you can't necessarily take one
Speaker 1: thing from one building and transfer it to another building.
Speaker 1: And I like that thought process because you don't want
Speaker 1: him just to try and take the template, the Patriots
Speaker 1: template or whatever template and just try and bring it
Speaker 1: over here, because inevitably that doesn't work, because there's human
Speaker 1: beings involved, and there's and and that can throw it off.
Speaker 1: And I would say the other thing too is and
Speaker 1: this is what I was most interested in. And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of this will have to do with
Speaker 1: what happens with the coach, But I asked a couple
Speaker 1: of times about Kyler Murray and his role in terms
Speaker 1: of the coach and how he was looking at things.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was his first press conference, and maybe
Speaker 1: he just wanted to make sure we went in this direction,
Speaker 1: but he brought it. He made it real broad, real fast.
Speaker 1: Like he did not talk directly about Kyler Murray, even
Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray questions. He made it about the team.
Speaker 1: He made it about the you know, the team needing
Speaker 1: a coach, a team that needed coaches that developed all
Speaker 1: players and a culture that you know, it's all about
Speaker 1: the team. So I thought that was kind of interesting. Yes,
Speaker 1: there was a press conference to start this week. It
Speaker 1: was the new GM monte Asenford and the team owner
Speaker 1: of Michael Bidwell, who was asked why monte Assenford. As
Speaker 1: we went through the process and the whole process, it
Speaker 1: became clear that monte Asenford had the combination of a
Speaker 1: well defined vision, a work ethic character, the back around
Speaker 1: an experience and being with two great organizations, the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots as well as the Tennessee Titans, in evolving roles,
Speaker 1: and it became apparent all of the combination of those
Speaker 1: things that Monty was going to be the best fit
Speaker 1: for us. And your point, Darren, somebody put out a
Speaker 1: list general managers who once upon a time scouted for
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Here you go, Scott Piola, the Chiefs, Thomas
Speaker 1: Dimitrof of the Falcons, Jason Light of the Bucks. Also
Speaker 1: came through the Cardinals building, obviously, John Robinson of the Titans,
Speaker 1: Bob Quinn of the Lions, Nick Casserio or the Texans,
Speaker 1: Dave Ziggler or the Raiders, and now monte As and
Speaker 1: Fort of the Cardinals. But like you, guys, I do
Speaker 1: like the fact that he spent three years with the Titans.
Speaker 1: I do like the fact that he got up there
Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, I've taken bits and
Speaker 1: pieces from other places. Wolf. I'm not trying to replicate
Speaker 1: the Patriot away, because guess what, the Patriot wayte seemingly
Speaker 1: only really truly works for Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Napoleon just nailed it right there, or I love what
Speaker 1: you said because it's a great observation. You can't try
Speaker 1: to be Bill Belichick. Don't try to be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of guys do
Speaker 1: that come from New England. What would Bill do? Is
Speaker 1: what they ask? How should I react? What would Bill
Speaker 1: think on this? What should I what should my answer
Speaker 1: be on this quest? I honestly think he's got such
Speaker 1: a great reputation, of course, being the greatest football coach
Speaker 1: in the history of the game. In my opinion, so
Speaker 1: many people when they leave there, they try to think
Speaker 1: like Bill and b Bill as opposed to just being themselves.
Speaker 1: It's a great observation and that really gets me jacked
Speaker 1: up because I love the combination. I love the fact
Speaker 1: that Monny was there for fifteen years. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you guys from knowing Bill Belichick, smart, tough, discipline,
Speaker 1: that's what he's looking for. And to your point, Paulie
Speaker 1: about the Tennessee Titans physical, maybe the most physical team
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Good, bad or indifferent, They're
Speaker 1: gonna knock your face off. And I like the fact
Speaker 1: he was there for three years. Here's my other initial
Speaker 1: takeaway and just based on what we saw and heard
Speaker 1: and what we've heard about Montias and forties that he's
Speaker 1: very detail oriented. Would that make sense if you spent
Speaker 1: fifteen years in the Patriots organization and what was missing
Speaker 1: all of last season seemingly And I'm talking based on
Speaker 1: what the players told the media, what the coaches repeatedly cited,
Speaker 1: what we heard and hard knocks. How many times did
Speaker 1: we hear ratchet up the attention to detail. The little
Speaker 1: things are big things in the NFL. They will cost
Speaker 1: you games. And we saw the same things, the same
Speaker 1: error as being repeated, this self inflicted stuff quote endquote
Speaker 1: we kept hearing about. So you know what it does
Speaker 1: get down to making sure you're making those sacrifices that
Speaker 1: sometimes might not necessarily be in your own best interests,
Speaker 1: but are in the best interests of the team. And
Speaker 1: maniastin Ford, well, he was asked about that and here
Speaker 1: was maybe the biggest quote that resonated. We're gonna look
Speaker 1: for the right type of players. Ego will not be
Speaker 1: tolerated in this organization. There's one goal here as to win.
Speaker 1: There's no putting personal interests in front of the team.
Speaker 1: I was told once the definition of mental toughness is
Speaker 1: putting the team in front of something that maybe would
Speaker 1: have been better personally for me. So that, to me
Speaker 1: is the type of players that we're looking for. Ego
Speaker 1: will not be tolerated. Darren, did you get more of
Speaker 1: a response on your Twitter account to anything other than
Speaker 1: that comment right there? That obviously got everybody's attention, And
Speaker 1: I understand why, and Paul, you and I talked about
Speaker 1: on our podcast this week. I mean, look, every player
Speaker 1: has ego if they get to this level, every single one,
Speaker 1: even Wolf had an ego. So the idea that no
Speaker 1: ego will be tolerated is probably not realistic. But if
Speaker 1: you're talking in context of not letting the ego get
Speaker 1: in the way of what is best for the team,
Speaker 1: that's something you can get to. And he actually got
Speaker 1: to that later talking about how he was once told
Speaker 1: mental toughness was about being able to do something for
Speaker 1: the team when the opposite would be better for you
Speaker 1: to do, And to me, that's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of getting to where he was going. It was a
Speaker 1: great SoundBite. Don't get me wrong, I know I used it,
Speaker 1: but again, like I said, I think all these guys
Speaker 1: have an ego at sun level, and the question is
Speaker 1: being able to work with it going forward. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I heard an interview you did Real Quick with an
Speaker 1: kon Bolden this week. Yeah, didn't he say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'd love to catch twenty catches a game, but there
Speaker 1: were games where I had to go out there and
Speaker 1: throw twenty blocks. Yes, see exactly, Polly, That's what I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say right now. You know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people took that ego cut and kind
Speaker 1: of ran with it right here when you could say
Speaker 1: this right now, ego. I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: the schemes. That's the cardinal I think are going to run.
Speaker 1: This is what I believe it's it's Kyler Murray saying
Speaker 1: I'm going to go under center, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do that more Now. I'm not saying this is the
Speaker 1: way it's going to be to me. When I heard
Speaker 1: him say that, it was all scheme related. It's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under center because that's where I need
Speaker 1: to grow my game the most. Trey McBride, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna line up and be the stud tight end.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go ahead and be the move guy
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm going to be a stud tight
Speaker 1: end and I'm gonna work on my blocking because that's
Speaker 1: what I need to do. They're not going to just
Speaker 1: throw me the ball. I need to develop my game
Speaker 1: and be more of a stud tight end, a y
Speaker 1: tight end, than an h which is a move guy.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, Hey, listen, if I need to get better
Speaker 1: in the box, they're gonna stick me in the box.
Speaker 1: They're gonna ask me to play inside linebacker. I need
Speaker 1: to get a whole lot more physical. I need to
Speaker 1: accept it and embrace it. In other words, go out
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone and start doing some things in
Speaker 1: scheme that maybe you're not accustomed to or don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with. Well, you know what, for the team, maybe
Speaker 1: you have to learn how to do it. It's funny
Speaker 1: when you say that, though, Wolf, because when you're talking
Speaker 1: about scheme, we don't there's no coach, we don't know
Speaker 1: what the scheme is. So when I hear the general
Speaker 1: manager say it, it feels more big picture to me
Speaker 1: then maybe what you would be doing on the field. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what. When I heard him say that, right there,
Speaker 1: I thought general manager is going to hire a coach
Speaker 1: and be involved in hiring a coach who's going to
Speaker 1: think the same way he is. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I made that connection. Well and the
Speaker 1: person who hired the GM as the owner, Michael Bidwell,
Speaker 1: and after getting input from players and doing a lot
Speaker 1: of research on the season that was he had the
Speaker 1: following to say, we need more accountability. And that is
Speaker 1: something that Monty and I talked about and it's clear
Speaker 1: that that's going to be an emphasis here and that's
Speaker 1: what he just described as setting ego aside, and it's
Speaker 1: all about accountability to the team. It's absolutely something our
Speaker 1: players are interested in and that's exactly what Maniasenford is about.
Speaker 1: And well, if that's about holding everyone to a similar standard, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be superstars, we get that.
Speaker 1: But to Darren's point, it's when that ego starts changing
Speaker 1: maybe a routine or maybe expecting different standards for you
Speaker 1: versus the rest of the team, when he becomes detrimental
Speaker 1: to the overall operation, that's when someone has to step in. Yeah, Paulis,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt you also have to check yourself and
Speaker 1: your ego at the door. When you walk in. I
Speaker 1: understand that nobody's bigger than the team, and as long
Speaker 1: as you use the same approach with everybody, it has
Speaker 1: to apply to everybody inside that locker room, there can
Speaker 1: be absolutely zero exceptions to it. And this is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I said my big reaction to
Speaker 1: Monty in his introduction to the world, so to speak,
Speaker 1: was the fact that, man, he was looking at the
Speaker 1: team and saying, basically, We're going to come in and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the sheriff and this is going
Speaker 1: to change. Everything is going to change around here. Every
Speaker 1: player is going to be pulled through a filter, a
Speaker 1: culture filter, and nobody is going to be an exception
Speaker 1: to that. I think that is the best way to
Speaker 1: go because once again, once you start making exceptions, you
Speaker 1: start to ruin that culture. And when you talk about approach,
Speaker 1: somebody asked him about that. As a personnel guy, I
Speaker 1: have a system that I believe in and that's where
Speaker 1: we're going to focus our time and attention, and we
Speaker 1: are going to use traditional scouting methods. We are going
Speaker 1: to use analytical scouting methods, and we are going to
Speaker 1: every step of the way check our work make sure
Speaker 1: we're not missing something and continue to add competition to
Speaker 1: this roster at every opportunity that we have during the
Speaker 1: league year. And I tell you just my other takeaway
Speaker 1: from that Press scomer. When he did start talking about
Speaker 1: personnel and accumulating talent through the draft or making trades
Speaker 1: a free agency, you could tell his comfort level. You
Speaker 1: could tell that's his wheelhouse, and that's what his reputation
Speaker 1: is as a real grinder who does all that sort
Speaker 1: of work. And so you know, maybe over the past
Speaker 1: few years, that attention to detail that we talk about,
Speaker 1: maybe some of that needs to be reinstituted in the
Speaker 1: player of evaluation process as well. Well. Obviously you wish
Speaker 1: the Cardinals would have had more success in their drafts
Speaker 1: over the past few years, and so you would think
Speaker 1: something would need to at least be tweaked, if not
Speaker 1: wholesale overhauled. And and so we're going to see exactly
Speaker 1: what that means. It's going to be very interesting. And
Speaker 1: they're gonna hold the third pick in every round that
Speaker 1: they're picking in with their own choices, and that's a
Speaker 1: that's a nice place to be. You hate being there,
Speaker 1: and even many said, he goes, I hope we're never
Speaker 1: picking number three overall ever again. But the last time
Speaker 1: they picked number three, they got a pretty good player
Speaker 1: and that worked out pretty well for them, So hopefully
Speaker 1: that'll happen again. I think we all know that player
Speaker 1: Goes still goes on a first name basis with the
Speaker 1: State of Arizona. Larry Fitzgerald, that guy, by the way, Darren.
Speaker 1: Speaking of history, the last time the Arizona Cardinals went
Speaker 1: outside the organization hired an external candidate to be GM
Speaker 1: just GM was when nineteen seventy three. Think about that,
Speaker 1: I mean think we're talking fifty years since the Cardinals
Speaker 1: went outside the building for an external GM just a GM.
Speaker 1: Obviously Buddy Ryan was. So the question is now who
Speaker 1: is going to be the head coach? And there are
Speaker 1: plenty of names that are out there, and there are
Speaker 1: plenty of names have already interviewed and reportedly are going
Speaker 1: to get interviews. So we'll get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1: What sort of head coach are they looking for? Is
Speaker 1: there a formula? What is the best fit? We continue
Speaker 1: Paul lvc ron Wolfie, Darren Urban. It's a big red
Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert. I look forward
Speaker 1: to working alongside Michael, and as he mentioned, a big
Speaker 1: step in that is finding our new head coach, and
Speaker 1: together with Michael and myself and the new head coach
Speaker 1: and everyone else in this organization, we're going to strive
Speaker 1: to find a collaborative environment where we are completely aligned
Speaker 1: in the football structure that we're going to put before
Speaker 1: this organization. Arizona Cardinals making their list checking a twice.
Speaker 1: Let there be head coaching interviews, fast and furious all
Speaker 1: week long, reportedly will continue into the weekend. We'll see
Speaker 1: what sort of timetable they have acted quickly on a GM,
Speaker 1: honestly quicker than I thought they'd arrived at higher. That
Speaker 1: is the new GM, monti As and Ford from the
Speaker 1: Titans before that the Patriots. It's the Big Red Rage
Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford,
Speaker 1: Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley, Darren Urban And you made a
Speaker 1: good point. We were talking about how there's not nearly
Speaker 1: as many head coaching openings this year as say last year,
Speaker 1: when there were ten there were ten head coach Now
Speaker 1: we've got half that many, and that might actually work
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals benefit here. I think it does because
Speaker 1: You're just there's there's a smaller pool of teams that
Speaker 1: need guys, So the pool of potential candidates, there's only
Speaker 1: so many guys that could be off the board even
Speaker 1: if you were last. I'm not saying the Cardinals are
Speaker 1: gonna be last to hire, but yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: much easier road Toho in terms of figuring out who
Speaker 1: your guy might be and going after him. So does
Speaker 1: that make this a little longer of a process, because
Speaker 1: you know, you're it's not quite as urgent. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to see how this plays out.
Speaker 1: But there's still guys in the playoffs that I think
Speaker 1: they want to talk to her, they are talking to
Speaker 1: and the reality is is those guys don't get hired
Speaker 1: until after they're out of the playoffs, so you never
Speaker 1: know exactly who they're looking at and how long it
Speaker 1: might take. So Wolf before we're here from the Newton
Speaker 1: GM and what he's looking for in a head coach,
Speaker 1: do you do you think there's a certain type of
Speaker 1: head coach they're in the market for right now, especially
Speaker 1: after this past season. Yeah, Paulia, I do, and knowing
Speaker 1: that there's been seven names out there, that have been
Speaker 1: floated around. The two offensive guys Sean Payton of course,
Speaker 1: and Frank Reich. They are the offensive guys. Five defensive
Speaker 1: names right now of defensive coordinators. That's um, I really
Speaker 1: really like. I like a lot of these guys, but
Speaker 1: in particular, Brian Flores is a guy that gets my
Speaker 1: attention right here. He is a tough, tough dude from
Speaker 1: what I understand. And I'm talking about some guys that
Speaker 1: I know very very well, some players that you would know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to use their name because I just
Speaker 1: don't know if it's fair to them. But things that
Speaker 1: these people have told me about Brian Flores, you know,
Speaker 1: it makes me feel good. It makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I know the guy a little bit more than I
Speaker 1: know the other candidates. But when you look at it,
Speaker 1: and you you look at the names and the collection
Speaker 1: of five defensive chords, I think it's because of that separation.
Speaker 1: I think there's a real possibility that Monty and Michael
Speaker 1: want to hire a guy that has that separation from
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, their franchise quarterback, where Cliff Kingsbury had a
Speaker 1: very personal relationship with Kyler Murray and almost a peer
Speaker 1: type relationship with Kyler Murray. I think it appears to
Speaker 1: me the Cardinals may be moving away from that and
Speaker 1: moving more towards the elpha in the room, being a
Speaker 1: defensive minded head coach that has that built in separation
Speaker 1: from their franchise quarterback. We'll get Darren's reaction to that,
Speaker 1: but first, here's here's the new GM MONTI asin Ford
Speaker 1: he was asking what he's looking for in his next
Speaker 1: head coach. I think there's the specifics in terms of
Speaker 1: leadership in developing players and coaches, in being a teacher
Speaker 1: of fundamentals, details, and techniques. We're trying to build a
Speaker 1: sustainable program here. This is not a short term fix.
Speaker 1: So we want a coach that sees the big picture
Speaker 1: and understands that we're not happy with just the results
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. We're building this for extended championship
Speaker 1: teams as we move forwards. All right, So the two
Speaker 1: offensive names once again, Sean Payton, frank Reich. Frank Rereich
Speaker 1: reportedly has had his interview completed. And then the five
Speaker 1: defensive names that are out there, Niners defensive coordinator Demiko
Speaker 1: Ryant's former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores, current Cardinals defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator Ban's Joseph who interviewed this week. You have Detroit
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn who reportedly is going to get
Speaker 1: an interview, and then Broncos defensive coordinator at Giro Varro,
Speaker 1: And so those are the names. Do you think they're
Speaker 1: more apt to go with a defensive guy because of
Speaker 1: that separation that Wolf sites. I think, I think that's
Speaker 1: a fascinating kind of concept and I would I think
Speaker 1: that that's a possibility. Yes, But again, to me, if
Speaker 1: you're doing that, then you have to have set in
Speaker 1: stone when at the moment you're hiring this head coach,
Speaker 1: you got to know who your offensive coordinator is going
Speaker 1: to be. To me, you I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the thing where it's like I think I can
Speaker 1: get this guy. I think you got to know who
Speaker 1: the guy is going to be guiding Kyler going right there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah you could. These guys are always asked,
Speaker 1: you know, what what kind of staff are you will
Speaker 1: you be putting together? Yea, And nothing's nothing's set in stone. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's always guys and it's happened over the
Speaker 1: years where you might think, and there's been you know reports,
Speaker 1: oh such and such is going to be this team's
Speaker 1: running backs coach or whatever after the head coach gets hired,
Speaker 1: and it never actually happens and for whatever reason it
Speaker 1: doesn't go through. But yeah, these guys have people in mind, um,
Speaker 1: but things can always change, and so that to me,
Speaker 1: that's that's a big part of it. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if I'm a defensive coach, if I'm the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a defensive head coach, that plan to
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do on the offense and with Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray has got to be almost that's almost as important
Speaker 1: to me as however you're going to handle this accountability stuff.
Speaker 1: For example, Brian Flores has a long standing relationship with
Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell. Yes, an offensive guy, so that that could
Speaker 1: be his answer. You can't tell me this is this
Speaker 1: is just me thinking out loud. You can't tell me that.
Speaker 1: During the course of the Frank Reich interview, they said,
Speaker 1: you know what, Frank, if you don't get the head
Speaker 1: coaching gig, how would you feel about being an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator for Vance Joseph Possible? I mean, Mike McCoy wants
Speaker 1: upon a time interviewed for the Cardinals head coaching gig
Speaker 1: and went to Steve Wilkes, and then Mike McCoy end
Speaker 1: up the offensive coordinator rights, And that's all true. And
Speaker 1: the Caldwell things interesting because he's interviewed here before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I believe it was the Wilkes cycle. Yes, he
Speaker 1: interviewed with the head coach, so Michael Bidwell knows him. Yes. Indeed,
Speaker 1: how about the fact Wolf that some of these guys
Speaker 1: are former head coaches. The last two hires, Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: and Steve Wilkes were first time NFL head coaches, whereas
Speaker 1: you have someone with the Brian Flores who has a
Speaker 1: track record, Vance Joseph who had a couple of years
Speaker 1: with the Broncos. They actually were head coaches on the job.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, No, I think that actually gives them
Speaker 1: an advantage in this. I just kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, again, I'm not trying to read Michael's mind.
Speaker 1: I do not know. I have not talked to him
Speaker 1: at all. Right, he's not He's kind of playing this
Speaker 1: close to the vest right now. But um, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it appears as though I would really look at the
Speaker 1: experience that is there so much of the time. We
Speaker 1: all know this. You know, when you have somebody and
Speaker 1: you have a breakup, you kind of go the opposite
Speaker 1: direction of the person you actually had the break up with.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a business relationship that you have or it's
Speaker 1: a personal relationship, whatever it is, you kind of go
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. And it's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I find it interesting that there's as many defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: that are out there and being interviewed right now. But
Speaker 1: never forget this, guys. It's so important many Austin Ford
Speaker 1: and Michael they can sit there and talk all they
Speaker 1: want on about culture and the culture change and how
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. And that's where it starts, guys. It
Speaker 1: starts with words, it starts with a thought, it starts
Speaker 1: with a belief philosophy, That's where it starts. But the
Speaker 1: head guy that's gonna be the guy that implements it
Speaker 1: on a tactical level, that's gonna be the guy that
Speaker 1: makes it happen. So I stepped on you there, wolf Um.
Speaker 1: It's funny that you bring up the idea that these
Speaker 1: guys are, you know, have done it before. Cardinals don't
Speaker 1: do that. Cliff Kingsbury, Bruce Arians, Steve Wilkes, Ken, Wizon Hunt,
Speaker 1: who is before Hunt? Deny Oh, Denny Green, Danny Green
Speaker 1: would be the last one that Buddy Ryan And yeah,
Speaker 1: but but the last time, in particular, Bruce Arians at
Speaker 1: least was NFL Coach of the Year as an interim
Speaker 1: guy for most of that season in example, I will
Speaker 1: I'll give you that one. And there was still he
Speaker 1: was like way late in the process and nobody was
Speaker 1: going to hire him. But once again, though derps stopp Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I see a split that has happened here
Speaker 1: from what the Cardinals have always done, started with Monte
Speaker 1: Assin Fort. To your point of a when was the
Speaker 1: last time we actually hired a GM out with the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy what um you know? So to me, maybe
Speaker 1: this is signaling a change in that direction. It was
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. Wolf, you were wearing your O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson onesie pajamas up there in Buffalo. That's what I
Speaker 1: was going on. Not at all all right, Darren. We
Speaker 1: appreciate the insight in the knowledge is keeping Wolf account
Speaker 1: We need accountability in the big red rage you bring it.
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Speaker 1: brought to you by Santan Ford in Gilbert. We're looking
Speaker 1: for a head coach that can lead this entire organization.
Speaker 1: We're looking for a head coach that can develop all
Speaker 1: the players, and Kyler being a big part of that.
Speaker 1: We want the right coach. Whether that's an offensive coach
Speaker 1: or a defensive coach, frankly doesn't matter. We want the
Speaker 1: best coach when we have a plan for what we
Speaker 1: are going to be as an organization. We're going to
Speaker 1: develop our players and we're going to put him in
Speaker 1: the best position to make us successful and ultimately win.
Speaker 1: It's one of the new voices of leadership for the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Brand new general manager Montias and Ford, meeting
Speaker 1: the media this week, asked about Kyler Murray and what
Speaker 1: it means for the franchise quarterback going forward. Whenever your
Speaker 1: returns in the twenty twenty three season coming off the season,
Speaker 1: any knee injury and surgery here to start the offseason,
Speaker 1: it's the Arizona Cardinals Big Red Rage presented by Santan
Speaker 1: Ford and Gilbert Paul kelvc Ron, Wolfley and Wolf. Look,
Speaker 1: it's a fair question about Kyler a because we know
Speaker 1: that Cliff Kingsbury was hired a large part to be
Speaker 1: a combo with Kyler Murray. I still think it's one
Speaker 1: of the big reasons he got the contract extension, because
Speaker 1: if you're going to extend Kyler Murray, you were going
Speaker 1: to extend Cliff Kingsbury as they were appearing. And then
Speaker 1: at the same time, you go back to when the
Speaker 1: Cardinals did hire Cliff Kingsbury, and the method behind that hiring,
Speaker 1: at least as explained by the decision makers at the time,
Speaker 1: was if you hire the next hot offensive coordinator, he's
Speaker 1: going to last one year because another team will gobble
Speaker 1: him up to be their head coach. But now there
Speaker 1: seems to be, as you have pointed out, a different
Speaker 1: approach this time around, just based on the fact five
Speaker 1: of the seven reported candidates are defensive guys. So once
Speaker 1: again going back to the critical question for any of
Speaker 1: those candidates, they better have an answer when it comes
Speaker 1: to the quarterback and the offense. Yeah, Paul, you have to.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this right now, and again I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this is the way that it is. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying for me, Paul, when I look at this job
Speaker 1: one for Anny coach is to fix Kyler Murray. And
Speaker 1: when I say that, I don't mean that Kyler Murray's broken,
Speaker 1: just mean that I think even Kyler would admit he
Speaker 1: took a step back this year from the first three
Speaker 1: years that we saw him develop when he was a rookie.
Speaker 1: There's no denying the fact he came in and men,
Speaker 1: we could all see the talent, but he got better
Speaker 1: from his rookie year to year two. He got better
Speaker 1: from year two to year three. And then of course
Speaker 1: we know the results that the team experienced at that
Speaker 1: point in time as well. Yes, they had two seasons
Speaker 1: in a row where they collapsed in the second half,
Speaker 1: but they did make it to the playoffs that third
Speaker 1: year right there, and even though that game did not
Speaker 1: go well, we all understand there was advancement five wins
Speaker 1: to eight wins to eleven wins in a playoff appearance.
Speaker 1: It looked as though everything was on track to continue
Speaker 1: to get better to me at least, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden Year four and he took a step back.
Speaker 1: So the first thing that needs to happen is for accountability,
Speaker 1: and that is Kyler Murray saying, I need to get better.
Speaker 1: I need to have evolve my game. And that's what
Speaker 1: the new head coach is going to have to do.
Speaker 1: I think you've got the new GM. He's got to
Speaker 1: hire a head coach who feels the way he does.
Speaker 1: And Kyler Murray also that three headed monster right there.
Speaker 1: The GM, the head coach, and of course your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: They all have to be on the same page as
Speaker 1: to what Kyler needs to do to get better. And
Speaker 1: Kyler's got to embrace it. When the Cardinals were seven
Speaker 1: and oh, just start the twenty twenty one season. Last season,
Speaker 1: he was a legitimate MVP candidate. Yes, fact, there's no
Speaker 1: arguing it. He goes and the season opener was at
Speaker 1: Tennessee and monte Asenford had a front row seat for
Speaker 1: what Kyler is capable of. He accounted for five touchdowns
Speaker 1: that day, and it's probably one of the reasons. When
Speaker 1: Monty was asked specifically about Kyler Murray, here's what the
Speaker 1: new GM had to say. Kyler's got to get healthy,
Speaker 1: and we want to do everything in our power to
Speaker 1: help him get healthy. We want to see him out
Speaker 1: on the field. I've seen what a healthy Kyler can do.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of work on Tyler coming out
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. I know that he is extremely talented with
Speaker 1: both his legs and his arm, and so, yeah, that
Speaker 1: does represent a challenge for us. We'll be ready for it.
Speaker 1: But the first order of business is getting Kyler healthy
Speaker 1: and helping him in whatever manner that is possible. It's
Speaker 1: also a matter of identifying what was the problem this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think before you can correct a problem, you have
Speaker 1: to identify it. And we've talked about this in the
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage Wolf that in twenty twenty one, Kyler
Speaker 1: led all quarterbacks in that Devoa deep throw categories sixteen
Speaker 1: plus airy yards and he was number one in deep
Speaker 1: ball accuracy. When he got hurt this year and he
Speaker 1: was done for the season, he was dead last. So
Speaker 1: you can quibble with some of those numbers, but to
Speaker 1: go from the top of the rankings to the bottom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously something was amiss, and so can they figure that out,
Speaker 1: both the GM and the new coaching staff and get
Speaker 1: him corrected. Yeah, PAULI can I just say right now,
Speaker 1: that's a couple of things on this because so much
Speaker 1: of deep throws throwing the wall down the field off
Speaker 1: a play action, Paul, So much of that happens. And
Speaker 1: because of that, that's where the best kind of play
Speaker 1: action where you can take shots down the field comes
Speaker 1: from a quarterback being under center. It does because you're
Speaker 1: you're up on the line of scrimmage, you snap the
Speaker 1: ball and you're running to that mesh point where a
Speaker 1: running back is coming up. And man, those second level
Speaker 1: backers they got to sit there and they got to
Speaker 1: honor that. In a lot of time, safeties will bite
Speaker 1: on that action as well, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: a seven step play action, you're chucking the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. But the other thing about that, Paul, Yes,
Speaker 1: schematically that is the truth about throwing the ball down
Speaker 1: the field with with that play action. But you better
Speaker 1: have an offensive line that can hold up as well.
Speaker 1: And we all know what happened to the offensive line
Speaker 1: this year for the Arizona Cardinals. And I think that
Speaker 1: also contributed to a lot, because you've got to have
Speaker 1: guys who can hold up and pass protect while you're
Speaker 1: play acting. Yeah, you had ten different starting offensive line combinations.
Speaker 1: It was Yes, it was a constant moving target up front.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Here's Manias and Ford on
Speaker 1: what he learned during his fifteen years with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Every day going to work was a masterclass education of
Speaker 1: how to build a football roster and how to build
Speaker 1: a winning organization. There are core beliefs that I believe
Speaker 1: that I will take from there, as I will take
Speaker 1: from every step along my way that I planned to
Speaker 1: bring here and put my own spin on it and
Speaker 1: make it the Cardinal way. So Wolf, when we have
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Manias and Ford in depth,
Speaker 1: we're going to ask him about the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: your favorite topic, right, Jim mo'mandro and myself, we did
Speaker 1: a little research. We went back through the last fifteen
Speaker 1: drafts for the Arizona Cardinals. How many offensive lineman do
Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals have drafted in Round one or
Speaker 1: round two over the last fifteen drafts, going back through
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, two. You're right, j DJ Humphreys
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, Jonathan Cooper in twenty thirteen. Of course
Speaker 1: he was heard in the third preseason game. Was number
Speaker 1: never the same? Now Levi Brown was oh seven, that
Speaker 1: would be years sixteen. But think about that. Wow, only
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen around one or round two in the
Speaker 1: past fifteen drafts. Now, how many defensive linemen do you
Speaker 1: think I've been drafted? We're talking interior d lineman in
Speaker 1: round one or round two in the past fifteen drafts. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's not get Kuki here. I'm gonna say one three, Okay,
Speaker 1: although although really they only got return on investment out
Speaker 1: of one, so in some ways you're right. Two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen, Robert Candici. But that was twenty ninth overall,
Speaker 1: two ten, Dan the Can, Dan Williams, and nose tackle
Speaker 1: twenty six overall two thousand and eight, round two, Klais Campbell.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, round two, okay. So in the trenches there
Speaker 1: has not been that investment of draft capital, at least
Speaker 1: near the top of the draft. Paulie. It's the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage man on both sides, the ball right to
Speaker 1: the offensive line, the defensive line that's where the major
Speaker 1: rebuild has got to happen. As far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: I think you're saying the same thing. Yep. I just
Speaker 1: think Manias and Ford and company. They're gonna come in
Speaker 1: and they're gonna see that. Yeah, And I think that's
Speaker 1: where they start. That's just my gut feeling. Besides, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of weapons on this team. You have
Speaker 1: a lot of skill players on this team. You've obviously
Speaker 1: invested the last couple of drafts in inside linebackers. So
Speaker 1: I just think if the first three picks are offensive line,
Speaker 1: defensive line, offensive line, again, I would not be shocked. Hey,
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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert
Speaker 1: thirty six yard from the right hash to win the game,
Speaker 1: Logan Cooco put it down Riley Patterson, Cook puts it down,
Speaker 1: Patterson kick it up. The field goal is good, good, good.
Speaker 1: But Jaguars have wanted. But Jaguars have wanted. They have
Speaker 1: come back from twenty seven nothing to win the game
Speaker 1: and move on. How good is that? That's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. How about that? And Jaguars Radio as he
Speaker 1: had Frank Brangie and Tony Boselli with a game when
Speaker 1: he called, how improbable was that? I mean that was
Speaker 1: like epic. That was historic. Not to mention Jacksonville became
Speaker 1: the first team in the NFL to win a playoff
Speaker 1: game after finishing the year before with the worst record
Speaker 1: in the league. Think about that. It's the Big Red
Speaker 1: Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are satan Ford,
Speaker 1: Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley. And you know what, You look
Speaker 1: at some of these some of these reclamation projects, if
Speaker 1: you will, the New York Giants, the Jacksonville Jaguars and
Speaker 1: what they did from one season to the next, and
Speaker 1: you realize that five of the ten teams that hired
Speaker 1: new head coaches last year wolf made the playoffs. So
Speaker 1: if you get it right, you can get into the
Speaker 1: postseason one season to the next. Yeah, no, you're right
Speaker 1: about that, Paulli. But man, is I listen to you
Speaker 1: play that cut right there? All I can think of
Speaker 1: two things, man, that's Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley and the
Speaker 1: Chargers ran the ball six times in the second half, Paul,
Speaker 1: six times, ouch, And they had a twenty point lead.
Speaker 1: And that's all they did is run the ball six times.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. By way of example, the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they had an eighteen point lead at half over the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They came out the first ten plays
Speaker 1: they ran of the second half, they ran the ball
Speaker 1: six times, even though even though they weren't running the
Speaker 1: ball effectively in the first half, they came out and said, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and try to shorten this game
Speaker 1: right now because we got a really big lead. That's
Speaker 1: number one takeaway, and number two is just Trevor Lawrence, Paul,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? How does that happen? How do
Speaker 1: you go out and throw three picks in the first quarter,
Speaker 1: four in the first half. In somehow, some way you
Speaker 1: overcome yourself and all that doubt and all of that
Speaker 1: disbelief to go out and light it up the way
Speaker 1: that he didn't bring his team back. Oh, Paulie, you
Speaker 1: have to ask Trevor Lawrence, what do you becoming? And
Speaker 1: now they get the Kansas City Chiefs Patrick Mahomes in
Speaker 1: his career four and oh in the division round to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and in nine home playoff games, Mahomes has
Speaker 1: twenty six touchdown passes in three picks. So we'll see
Speaker 1: how Jacksonville fairs on Saturday. You brought up the Niners
Speaker 1: and Cowboys. This will be their ninth all time playoff meeting.
Speaker 1: Brock Purty six and oh as a starter right down
Speaker 1: the stretch. I mean, but then you look at that
Speaker 1: Niners defense and Wolf. It's hard for me to tell
Speaker 1: about Dallas because Tampa was so bad that I have
Speaker 1: a hard time gauging how good is Dallas, How legit
Speaker 1: is Dallas. Now Michael Parsons was legit. Yeah, the sack
Speaker 1: and eight quarterback pressures, right, and Nick Bosa obviously NFL
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year most likely what comes to
Speaker 1: mind when you think about Niners and Cowboys. That's it
Speaker 1: right there. I think of that defense. I think the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Ers defense actually going against Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: That to me is the matchup of the game right now,
Speaker 1: because that defense is so lights out and Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: played very very well, but we know from time to
Speaker 1: time he's been up and down and going out and
Speaker 1: lighting up the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and their defense is
Speaker 1: not like going out and lighting up the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers defense. That would be all together different.
Speaker 1: So yes, I think of brock Purty immediately, But because
Speaker 1: of the strip of the forty nine Ers, poly, I
Speaker 1: just I don't see the Dallas Cowboys pulling the upside here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Niners d has allowed the fewest points in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The Niners have also won eleven in a row going
Speaker 1: back to the end of the regular season. All right,
Speaker 1: how about the Bengals at your Buffalo Bills. Bengals of
Speaker 1: one nine in a row. The Bills have won eight
Speaker 1: in a row, and then Josh Allen against Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: size that one up for us, Polly, all I can
Speaker 1: think of is tomorrow, Hamlin, Right, that's what you think
Speaker 1: of immediately here. It's just the fact that it was
Speaker 1: Week eighteen. It was the final game that we're gonna
Speaker 1: play and it was gonna be these two teams, and
Speaker 1: yet here it is again, and Buffalo seems to be
Speaker 1: this team of destiny. Somehow, some way, the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: were hanging in that game in Orchard Park last week,
Speaker 1: and again they lost three games to the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: by nine points. Totally. You've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know and tested it was all season long,
Speaker 1: and now in this matchup right here, you've got Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has all the intangibles, and yet you've got
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, who's got all the tangibles. He is an walking,
Speaker 1: talking stud. He's big, He's got everything you could possibly
Speaker 1: want in a franchise quarterback. He runs the ball, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen with conviction. He runs the ball, not like a
Speaker 1: quarterback runs the ball. He runs the ball like George
Speaker 1: Kittle runs the ball. It's unbelievable. And yet he's a
Speaker 1: great team leader. He checks every box. And yet Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow has got this swag, and it's this swag that
Speaker 1: inspires his teammates around him. Josh Allen has a much
Speaker 1: better supporting cast than Joe Burrow has in Cincinnati. Yet
Speaker 1: I'm not counting out the Bengals in this game at all.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be an awesome game. The Bills
Speaker 1: secondary is banged up, Cincinnati deep with receivers obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: although that Cincinnati offensive line is going to be missing
Speaker 1: three starters, so we'll see if they can protect Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Although what he gots sacked like eleven times in a
Speaker 1: playoff game last year and they still won. All right,
Speaker 1: Then the Giants at Philly, and we know what happened
Speaker 1: in the season Vanale. Philly actually struggled a little bit,
Speaker 1: even though the Giants weren't playing all their guys, and man,
Speaker 1: the Giants look good and that win against the Vikings.
Speaker 1: How about how about Daniel Jones running at seventeen times?
Speaker 1: You talk about a quarterback running at Daniel Jones. What
Speaker 1: was going on there? Yeah, but Daniel Jones, Brian Dabo,
Speaker 1: what was going on there? Daniel Jones has developed so much,
Speaker 1: He's doing so well, and you can just see the confidence.
Speaker 1: You hear me say this all the time that confidence
Speaker 1: is the currency of competition. You buy and sell performances
Speaker 1: based on your confidence level. And Daniel Jones's confidence is growing.
Speaker 1: But I think I honestly think that Giants are going
Speaker 1: to upset the Philadelphia Eagles, really, and the reason why
Speaker 1: I say that is the one weakness I remember all
Speaker 1: the way back to when the Arizona Cardinals played the
Speaker 1: Eagles early in the season last year, the one weakness
Speaker 1: they had was running the ball, especially in a north
Speaker 1: south direction at them. That was the only weakness I
Speaker 1: saw on this team. Everything else was pretty lockdown, lights out,
Speaker 1: including Jalen Hurts and how he was playing. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that still won't be the case. I think Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts in the offenses is excellent. But having said that,
Speaker 1: say Quon Barkley Man and Daniel Jones the way that
Speaker 1: he's playing right now, run the ball, attack the Eagles
Speaker 1: front seven in a north south kind of way. That's
Speaker 1: something the Giants do well. This could be an upset.
Speaker 1: That's my upset of the weekend because Wolf, if you
Speaker 1: get into second and long third and long obvious passing
Speaker 1: situations at Eagles defense had seventy sacks. Yep four players
Speaker 1: with ten or more sacks on the year. That's all
Speaker 1: the more reason Polly, I think They're gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and try to run the ball. And by the way,
Speaker 1: maybe the best matchup of the playoffs might be Dexter
Speaker 1: Lawrence the nose tackle for the Giants, going against a
Speaker 1: fellow All Pro and Eagles center Jason Kelsey. I mean,
Speaker 1: they ought to have sort of a picture and picture
Speaker 1: of those two guys going after his Dexter Lawrence. He
Speaker 1: might have been the best player on the field despite
Speaker 1: everything that Daniel Jones did, I mean, especially at the
Speaker 1: end there, he ended up pretty much winning that game
Speaker 1: for the Giants getting pressure on Kirk Cousins. Polly, that
Speaker 1: is a great observation by you, so right on its
Speaker 1: spot on. Yet at the same time, you talk to
Speaker 1: guys offensive lineman, former offensive lineman. You talk to some
Speaker 1: of these older guys, they wash, they watch at Jason
Speaker 1: Kelsey and they actually talk about him with reverence as
Speaker 1: to how good he is as a center. They it's
Speaker 1: really kind of cool. Both my brothers older of course,
Speaker 1: Craig twelve years with the Pittsburgh Steelers, younger Dale, you
Speaker 1: know him. Both they love Jason Kelsey, but also Max Starks.
Speaker 1: If you talk to Max, you know, all these former
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, they they speak of Jason Kelsey with reference.
Speaker 1: I still love the story that Nick Sirianni told him.
Speaker 1: The start of training camp. They asked him, how did
Speaker 1: you convinced Jason Kelsey to forget about retirement? He said, well,
Speaker 1: I called him up, I kind of get a gauge
Speaker 1: where he was at. I sent him a couple of
Speaker 1: kegs of his favorite beer. He called me back that
Speaker 1: night and said, okay, coach, I'll come back and play
Speaker 1: another season four him. That's an all time story right there.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. But I tell you, I watch him, and
Speaker 1: I watch your dexter Lawrence, and it's just further proof.
Speaker 1: If the Cardinals go with, oh, I don't know, a
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter or maybe top around two, the top center
Speaker 1: in the draft, I would have or Will Anderson Yep,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Just look at Nick bosa Hey special thanks
Speaker 1: to Darren Urban for joining us, Executive producer Jim Almahandro,
Speaker 1: technical director Cody Fincher Rond hopefully on Paul CALVC. This
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