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Welcome to the Bloomberg 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:15.960 This Weekend podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Lisa Matteo. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.600 Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:21.000 the show. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.479 You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.800 the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.000 every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at seven am Easter. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.800 We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.640 bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.040 lifestyle and culture. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.120 Breaking news that RUNI and state media reporting mediators have 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.720 submitted their response to the US proposal and the war 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:47.480 via Pakistan. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.720 This comes ten weeks into the conflict and frankly into 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.960 our show, which launched the same weekend as those attacks. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.200 The conflict has disrupted global energy supplies. We're still waiting, 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.600 as Lisa mentioned, on more details on what exactly is 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.400 in that Ron response. But joining us now is Bloomberg 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.120 News White House correspondent Jeff Mason, who is on White 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.240 House duty this weekend. Jeff, are we hearing anything from 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.600 the White House yet? Were we expecting this today or 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.200 we all just kind of waiting to see when this 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.039 popped into our inboxes and flashed across a terminal. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.560 It's a wait and see situation, Christina, I have asked 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.360 the White House act for a reaction or a response, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.440 and haven't heard back from them yet. I imagine that 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.080 the White House and the US administration broadly is still 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.720 digesting this response in terms of when we expected it. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.960 The President had told reporters. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.840 On Friday that he was expecting to have that response 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.200 that night, So they've been waiting all weekend for it 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.280 to come in, and now it's in. And now what 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.120 we'll want to be asking and seeing is whether or 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.560 not it's acceptable to President Trump what they've responded to, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.960 and whether the conditions are enough that this ceasefire will 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.600 continue so that they can move on to talk about 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.720 the nuclear program at Iran that President Trump said was 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.120 the actual reason for getting into this war in the 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:01.680 first place. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.280 Jeff, we talked about a ceasefire. It's a funny kind 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.600 of ceasefire because the attacks keep coming. We saw drone 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.519 attacks this morning on some tankers in the straight of 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.960 hor moves. Of course, we saw the US retaliate on 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.040 Iran after some attacks earlier in the week on other vessels. Here, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.640 the President continues to be so adamant that we do 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.000 have a ceasefire in place. He talks about the prospects 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.280 of extending one. To go back to what I said, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.000 it is a funny one in that there still seems 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.280 to be a lot of attacks taking place in the 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.440 region while this is in place. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.120 Yeah, I couldn't say it beout her David. It's a 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.560 war and a messaging of contradiction. And that's really been 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.200 characteristic of how the President and the US has talked 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.440 about or engaged in this war from the very beginning, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.120 from some confusion over what the actual aims were, to 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.840 the status of the ceasefire, to what is acceptable now 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.160 during a ceasefire. I think the President has wanted to 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.120 portray this ceasefire as not being threatened because he wants 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.200 it to continue, and he wants there to be a deal. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.880 And I might add he wants there not to be 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.000 any major hostilities going into his trip next week or 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.160 this week now, I should say on Tuesday to China. China, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.040 of course, will excuse me, I ran, of course, will 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.880 be one of the big topics on that summit between 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:16.040 President Trump and President she and it's not the backdrop 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.000 he wants to have continued fighting in there, even if 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.480 they haven't agreed on a full on piece deal yet. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.240 And speaking of that, Jeff, there is also this sequencing 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.880 issue wherein if the US agrees to the ceasefire and 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.959 reopening up the Strait, the US will then lose a 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.320 lot of their leverage going into nuclear negotiations which are 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.960 supposed to take place maybe possibly after this is settled. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.120 Has any of that been resolved and what are the 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.240 two big sticking points that still exist between these two 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:46.720 proposals in these two nations. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.240 Well, nothing has been resolved that I can tell anyway. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.840 I mean, they haven't announced any progress yet other than 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.120 the fact that they are talking, and that is something, 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.880 and talking through the Pakistani mediators of course. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.240 But you're spot on. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.520 Christina to mention that in terms of the straight of 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.840 hour moves, and that is another broader consequence of this war. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.200 In general, Iran has ended up flexing its muscles and 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.280 its leverage with the Strait in a way that it 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.280 never had before this war. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:16.360 And so that will. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.200 Be a really interesting thing to see, is how the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.040 two sides work that out going forward. I think the 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.000 US would like to see Iran not involved at all 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.680 in governing House ships get through the straight of hour moves. Iran, however, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.239 has realized that that is a huge piece of leverage 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.159 that it has and seems unlikely to just throw that 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.880 away or give that up. But that is in terms 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.000 of sequencing. As you said, that's the first question. Getting 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.320 that fixed so that Iran can start getting more money 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.000 back into its economy and so that the global economy 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:49.480 is not hamstrung. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.320 By the Strait being blocked. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.000 I think a lot of regional allies and Gulf nations 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.480 have that same concern. All right, Jeff, thank you for 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.360 the scrabble. Always nice to see you this morning. Thanks 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:00.640 for breaking down that breaking news. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.640 Thanks so much, Jeff. We're gonna bring another voice now. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.400 Democratic Congressman from Maryland, Johny of Cheskey, known as Johnny 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.480 Owe to his friends and constituents in the second Congression 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.240 district there in Maryland, Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Carroll County 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.760 as well, I believe. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:13.640 Congressman, thanks for being here. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.360 You sit on the Foreign Affairs Committee, and I just want 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.720 to start with the news that we're kind of going 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.200 through this morning. The fact that we have reporting that 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.680 that response to the US proposal has been conveyed via 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.440 the pakistanis to the US. Your reaction to that, and 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.200 what do you need to see in that response to 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.599 feel better about the prospects of this conflict coming to 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:30.000 an end. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.440 Some great reporting there, and like everyone else, I'm waiting 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.680 to see what the details are. But we have to 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.159 take a step back and remember that we're waiting for 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.960 agreement on a ceasefire that is only necessary because of 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.360 a problem that President Trump created in the first place. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.240 You know, Iranians would not know that they had this 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.839 potentially powerful tool in closing the strait of our moves 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.000 but for our attack. And so this is, as you 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.559 were pointing out, just one step and a much larger 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.560 conversation about the very real concern about having a nuclear 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.000 armed Iran. But we're really in a place now where 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.000 the President, I think, is looking to save face as 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.520 a war that we know now there was not a 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:11.520 clear imminent threat. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.640 But as has been true throughout this war. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.760 As a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, I've gotten 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.960 zero up to date real time information from this administration. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.279 There have been no public hearings and so it's really 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.520 a little bit like poking in the dark to try 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.480 to figure out where we are and where this administration 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:29.680 hopes to land ultimately. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.680 Are you concerned about the lack of what you just 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.479 talked about consultation with Congress as well as something people 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.760 keep talking about with US is the lack of technical 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.640 experts going into these negotiations. When they negotiated the original 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.280 Iran nuclear deal, which the Trump administration pulled out of 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.640 during the first term, that was months and months of 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.640 negotiations in Geneva with multilateral partners, with States Apartment officials, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.080 junior officials, people from IAEA. The State's Apartment, as far 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.919 as we can tell, has been largely cut out of 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.599 these negotiations. It has really only three people, and the 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.920 President seems making these decisions. Are you confident that they 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.640 have the knowledge they need to go into these rooms 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.480 and come out with a deal that is advantageous to 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:09.240 the United States? 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.720 Fortunately, I'm not confident. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.600 What I can tell you is what I do know 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.200 from sitting on the Foreign Affairs Committee is that even 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.560 if the State Department were at the table, that department 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.760 has been absolutely gutted. So a lot of the support 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.080 infrastructure that should be in place doesn't exist. And the 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.640 fact that this president also on top of that, likes 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.360 to go it alone so much is really problematic for 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.280 I think finding those kind of sustainable deals. What worries 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.160 me in all of this is that we're going to 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.840 end up with a deal that is equal to or 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.240 maybe even worse than that JOA, which was imperfect by 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.200 the way, there were opportunities for improvement. But President Trump 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.920 created this environment in the first place by ripping up 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:57.800 that original agreement, allowing Iran to really go at their 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:03.040 enrichment program with great following, ripping up that deal that, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.960 as you mentioned, was very involved in, very detailed, and 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.800 so now we're back at a place where if we 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.520 can get through a ceasefire agreement and if we can 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.440 get back to the table, I'm hopeful that we can 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.240 get back to a place where there's not enrichment happening. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.560 But we have a long way to go. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.520 And in the meantime, there's been an incredible amount of 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.080 pain inflicted upon not just Americans in terms of service members' lives, lost, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.200 hundreds of not at least tens of billions of dollars 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.720 spent painted the pump for Americans and frankly across the globe. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.079 And so we're asking here, you know, to what end? 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.319 And I think at this point the president can't really 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:40.480 answer that question. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.320 Let's talk a bit about what this has to bear 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.800 on US politics. I'm just going to note here Chris Wright, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.840 the Energy Secretaries on Meet the Press with Christen Weilcrin 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.719 in NBC News. He said, the US isn't going to 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.840 take off any options off the table when it comes 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.560 to Iran. An interram run deal has got to be possible, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.240 he said. And then you noted gasoline and diesel prices 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.199 are going to remain up while this war continues. I'm 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.960 curious how you see that pressure mounting as you talked 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.160 to constituents and make your way around the district. You 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.599 mentioned you haven't been briefed formally by this administration on 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.319 the Foreign Affairs Committee. We did see the Secretary of 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.760 Defense gope and speak to the Armed Services Committee. There 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.840 is some speculation that maybe we're reaching a greater appetite 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.160 for war powers resolution on Capitol Hill. What's going to 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.520 change the conversation or the political terrain? 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:23.559 Is it going to be. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.160 Gas prices diesel prices continuing to rise a pace or 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:28.880 is it going to be that the longer this lasts 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.960 without any indication of sort of where the direction of 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.680 this war is headed from the administration is going to 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.160 finally lead you and your colleagues to do more, try 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.000 to do more, to get administration officials up to Capitol 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.000 Hill to give you some answers. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.680 Appreciate those questions. I'll start with the war power for resolution. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.160 I mean, this is now beyond the sixty days and 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.120 the flexibility that my colleagues on the Republican side have 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.079 said the president deserves. So it's not a suggestion, it's 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.599 the law. If the president wants to continue military operations, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.520 he has to have authorization from Congress. At this point, 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.480 I think the law is clear, and so on that point, 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:01.079 I would. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.559 Say energy really quickly. Do you think that would concern 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.080 this particular president. Do you think anything Congress passes, even 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.320 if it would pass the war powers of resolution, do 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.760 you think that would stop him? 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.120 Well, that's not a reason for Congress not to try 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.679 to stop him. But if the president blows past war 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.320 powers restrictions, then I think we have to sort of 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.360 up our game as members of Congress to hold this 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.440 president accountable. This is a president who has consistently shown 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.080 a disdain for any sort of check and unfortunately, my 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.640 Republican colleagues have largely deferred to the President on those issues. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.600 And I hope that given the consequence and given the 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.640 impact to the other point, I think that the costs 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.120 at the pump, and it's not just that the pump. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.240 We're seeing it on airline tickets. We're seeing it through 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.400 surcharges and places like Amazon, We're seeing it through what's 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.840 happening with food prices. This is having impact across the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.480 lives of all Americans. And so I think what's happening 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.880 is in particular, Republican colleagues in Congress are seeing that 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.160 this is going to be a real drag on their 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.360 election prospects in November. And I think this is really 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:13.080 going to fuel a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.560 I think we're going to see a closing, if not 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.880 a democratic takeover of the Senate. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.520 So I think these issues are real. People are really hurting. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.200 As I talked to my constituents, and I think it's 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.360 really interesting to note that usually when it's whether one 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.280 of the secretaries or the President himself. These are millionaires 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.760 and billionaires who are members of this administration, taling Americans 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.440 it's going to be okay, it's only temporary. That's not 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.080 acceptable to people who are trying to put a roof 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.760 over their head and food on the table. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.040 Let's move if we can to the summit that's going 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.959 to take place this week, invasion between the President and 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.560 President ution Ping. And we had your colleague, your Democratic colleague, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.280 Rocana of California on the show yesterday and we asked 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.320 him what he's looking for as an outcome from that 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.160 meeting between those two world leaders. Let's take a listen 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.839 to what he had The same reply, Well. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.280 He has a lot that he has to reverse, had 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.760 China hold us hostage on rares and critical minerals. I 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.760 want a deal that actually helps American farmers, American shipbuilders, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.880 American manufacturers, and I. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.880 Hope he will work to get that. He hasn't so far. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.920 Connors's been kind of looking for an economic resolution to 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.200 come out of this meeting and engaging similar goals on 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:19.559 your part, what would you like to see these two 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.080 leaders announce at the end of those meetings. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.240 I think that's part of it. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.040 What I can tell you is this is a president 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.600 who's been very soft on China. The one place where 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.080 he's been hard is on tariffs, and that has negative 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.079 impacts for everyone. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:32.920 No one wins in a trade war. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.440 But what we do know is that this president's been 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.280 very soft in terms of advanced chips and the selling 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.520 of those, and that really is, I think putting our 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.240 national security at risk. You see a ton of pieces 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.480 of legislation around export controls and the Foreign Affairs Committee. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.960 I think it speaks to this concern of the way 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.720 this administration is acting and in general on the issue. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.800 So Yes, in addition to what Representative Kanna had said, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.959 I actually want to see our president take a heart 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.880 stand on some of these expert control some of this 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.440 advanced chips and looking more in the American interest. I'm 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.160 also looking to making sure that this president, that President Trump, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.840 takes a much more affirmative stance and support of our 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.400 friend and partner Taiwan. I know that I just introduced legislation, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.080 bipartisan legislation I'm a co league with Representative Kim that 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.520 would have the United States do a survey of all 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.400 the potential responses if there were to ever be an 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.880 invasion of Taiwan by China, and so I'm hoping that 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.719 the President not only step up for American farmers and 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.520 American interests from a national security perspective, but also to 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.960 be a much more ardent supporter of Taiwan's interest in 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:43.600 these meetings. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.480 Johnny oh Carson, John L. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.000 Jesske joining us that I feel like we can. I 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.839 feel the level of familiarity here. Over the course of 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.080 this interview, people call you that I'm not making that up. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:53.560 Is that right? 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:54.640 That's right, that's right. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.720 I'm former school teacher. I've read the bios. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.800 Thank you for being here and for putting up with 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.960 us this morning. I will have to have you back sometime. 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.199 Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:20.760 after this, all right, we have. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.840 More breaking news. This morning, the country's health minister, in 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.760 coordination with WHO and twenty two other countries, began evacuating Haunt, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.480 a virus striking cruise ship in Spain's Canary Islands. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:35.760 All the passengers remain asymptomatic. The boat has arrived at 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:41.720 six thirty am. The entire operation is proceeding normally, and 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:47.000 I said the first to Disembard will be the Spanish 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.840 citizens and then the flight to the Netherlands will depart. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.120 Choris now is doctor Carlos til Rio. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.560 He is a distinguished professor at Emory School of Medicine's 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.880 Division of Infectious Diseases. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.800 Doctor del Rio, thank you very much for being here. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.680 And let's pick up from what we just heard there 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.520 what we expect to happen here over these next few hours. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.760 It sounds like many countries are marshaling aircraft to the 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.720 Canary Islands to bring their citizens back to their respective countries. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.280 Perhaps can just take the US as an example here. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:14.840 What's going to happen here over the next twenty four 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:15.760 to thirty six hours. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.800 Well, thank you for having me. The first thing is that, unfortunately, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.560 what we hear is that the passengers that are being 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.240 disembarked are old asymtomatic. In other words, they don't have 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.880 any symptoms of ntavirus, which means maybe they're not infected yet. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.040 We don't know. They could still have been infected and 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.000 they're going to have developed symptoms later. So the first 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.640 thing that's going to happen is all passengers will undergo 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.000 a health screening. They're going to be you know, question, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.400 they're going to have physical exams, they may draw some blood, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.400 and then after they decide whether they're truly a symtomatic 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.240 or not, they'll put them on a plane and the 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.760 American citizens are going to come over to a serious 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.560 communical disease unit at the University of Nebraska, which is 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.960 fairly large, and they're going to be then a process 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.800 again over there, and if they happen to be sintomatic, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.520 if there's anything that suggestions of infection, they'll be kept 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.320 in isolation. Otherwise that they still cline to be asyantobatic, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.160 they'll be sent home and encouraged to quarantine and to 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.520 watch themselves for the next six to eight weeks. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.800 Deta, I want to ask you how this spreads, because 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.400 I know that it is usually something that you get 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.920 by coming into contact with animal droppings that have this virus. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.800 It is not usually spread from person to person, or 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.600 there can be prevailing wisdom is that if you get 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.080 it from person person, you have to be in very 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.240 close contact. That some of the reports we're seeing from 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.840 the ship is that not all of these individuals who 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.440 have tested positive for this virus were in close enough 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.440 contact that virologists would usually assume they were susceptible to 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.560 contracting the virus. I know this is a different strain 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.360 than we have here in the US, and that is 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.280 more possible. But is that concerning that this seems to 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.520 be a method of transmission that this virus doesn't usually take. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.840 No, it actually does this, and hintavirus is the only 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.240 one that's spressed person to person. And there was an 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.400 outbreak in Argentina in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen where some 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.120 of the things that you're mentioning actually had some person 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.080 just got infected because they were in the same room 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.040 with another person that was infected, or they were in 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.720 the same bathroom. It is very clear that if you 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.879 have very close intimate contact, for example, in this case 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.720 the index case, then his wife got infected. They were 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.880 in the same cabin, they could have been you know, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.240 intimate sexually. There's a lot of reasons why the wife 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.280 got infected so quickly and then developed symptoms, But that 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.280 doesn't mean, you know, it's an all or non phenomena. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.800 And clearly there's a lot. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.199 Of things about the transmission we don't fully understand. And 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.159 I think this this outbreak is going to help us 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.960 try to understand that it is very clear that the 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.640 closer you are, the more intimate contact, the more likely 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.360 you are to get infected. But that doesn't mean that 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.879 we have not seen sort of what appears to be 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.240 fairly casual mechanisms of infection. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.640 I'm curious about the global public health apparatus that's being 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.120 marshaled to bear here in tenter Reef. So the United 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.159 States has pulled out of the World Health Organization. That's 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.919 something that's changed since the COVID nineteen pandemic, and I 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.000 wonder what the consequences are to that as you see them, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.639 as we watch this this effort unfold, and what we 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.680 can learn from this experience. Yes, this may not lead 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.719 to the kind of global pandemic that we saw with 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.159 with COVID nineteen, but what can we learn from the 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.880 way that governments respond to this crisis that's breaking out 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:13.359 on this ship. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.040 Well, you know, first of all, I want to say 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.320 that the World Herald Organization has really done a remarkable job, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.359 starting with their Director General, doctor Tedrose, and then the 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.960 rest of the WHO team, Maria van Kerhoven and her team, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.760 They've done a tremendous job. You know, doctor Tedros is 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.000 there inside in Tenerief, helping and providing leadership and talking 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.320 to the Spanish government and ensuring that the boat was 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.240 able to dock over there and the passengers can be 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:42.080 safely and securely disembarked. I think we have seen a 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.840 much diminished CDC. If you think about a prior outbreak, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.560 let's think the outbreak of Ebola. CDC very quickly was involved, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.919 very CDC very quickly sent a team over there. CDC 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.440 was providing something very important, which is technical assistance. We're 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.760 not seeing a lot of technical assistance happening for CDC 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.520 right now. In fact, it almost seems like the CDC 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:06.080 response occurred after many, many days. It was almost too late, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.479 too little, too late. And that's unfortunate because you know, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.160 we need a strong CDC. As American citizens, we want 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.600