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Speaker 1: Not sure what the best type of tires are for

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Speaker 2: Then this is where to turn for help. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Now rock from that one tell you Rock.

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Speaker 1: Ron Ananian is here to answer your questions about cars.

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Speaker 1: Get in the call.

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Speaker 2: We're allowed to.

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Speaker 3: Go fifty five on some occasions.

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Speaker 2: Even faster.

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Speaker 3: I'm well aware of the federally mandated school limustry.

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Speaker 4: Back.

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Speaker 5: Now here's the car Doctor, ron An Indian talking about

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Speaker 5: the repair of the week. Two thousand Saturn LS two

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Speaker 5: came into the shop at Ari Automotive this week and

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Speaker 5: it was a plea for help from someone desperate for

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Speaker 2: And I'm always glad to do that and give you

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth's problem was she'd been driving around with this check

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Speaker 2: She was frustrated.

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Speaker 5: They had performed a fuel filter replacement, they had done

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Speaker 5: How come nobody can diagnose this problem? To check engine light,

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Speaker 5: went through our basics. She was concerned because she had

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Speaker 5: the mass airflow sensor. Next mass airflow sensor for those

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Speaker 5: It's fixed done. You can see the response. The fuel

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Speaker 5: Because I think there's got to be an issue with

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Speaker 5: as a consumer, have an obligation. You have to walk

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Speaker 5: The moral side to this story is that and it's

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Speaker 2: Diagnose, Diagnose, diagnose. Did you get that the three rules

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Speaker 5: If you don't walk into a repair shop and ask

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Speaker 2: If you walk in.

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Speaker 5: And ask for a diagnosis, and then don't diagnose it properly,

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Speaker 5: A very sore point of frustration when people can't diagnose things,

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Speaker 5: welcome ronin Ady and the Car Doctor here at eight

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Speaker 2: We had to call a previous hour.

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Speaker 5: The poor woman was driving around for two years with

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Speaker 2: Let's kick open the garage doors.

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Speaker 5: Let's go over and talk to Tom down there in

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Speaker 4: Oh, appreciate you taking a call. I've got a two

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Speaker 5: Okay, you know one of the best. I'll give you

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Speaker 5: You got internet access, I'm sure, yeah, just go over

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Speaker 5: that's not casting stone. It's a guideline because auto repairs

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Speaker 5: And if you notice, I'm not saying change a fuel

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Speaker 5: Thirty thousand miles. I might shock you, but it wouldn't

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Speaker 5: You know there's an old there's an old expression that

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Speaker 5: I keep using it. It's always that it's cheaper to

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Speaker 5: a car's three years old, playing about one hundred and

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Speaker 4: it with cashtromnal. You know every three thousand miles?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely, I still think oil changes and you know

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Speaker 2: You know what, the conversation's over. And at that point

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Speaker 5: I don't see what the fascination is with how far

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot cheaper for oil, Well, it sure is.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot cheaper for oil than it is to

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Speaker 5: replace the engine. You know, we had a point of conjecture,

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Speaker 2: We had a customer this week.

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Speaker 5: He's got one hundred and eighty thousand miles one hundred

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Speaker 2: Six Toyota four Runner.

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Speaker 5: We've been servicing the vehicle since thirty Here he is

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Speaker 2: He's been doing some of his oil changes on time.

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Speaker 5: And he went away to college and then he came back,

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Speaker 2: But he got to one hundred and eighty on it.

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Speaker 5: He's now got a misfire issue going on that I

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Speaker 5: think is going to lead us to carbon on a valve.

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Speaker 5: Now we're going to try a few things this week

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Speaker 2: So you know, how long do you want to drive it?

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Speaker 2: How well do you want to take care of it?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, sir?

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Speaker 5: All right, sir, you have a good rest of the day.

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Speaker 5: Running in in the car doctor back right after this,

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Speaker 5: welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Running any in the car doctor?

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Speaker 5: Hear it it on over and talk to Rich Beacon,

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Speaker 5: False Connecticut, three four tours, Hey Rich, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: Hey Ron? How you doing? I love the show?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Just oh three taurus? I'm getting this vibration that's more.

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Speaker 3: I guess a noise coming from the tires. It usually

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Speaker 3: happens about seventy five miles an hour, not too much

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Speaker 3: less than that. But it's the strange part is it

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Speaker 3: only happens when the outside temperatures about eighty degrees are

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Speaker 3: higher and cool weather. Nothing at all. Don't hear anything

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Speaker 3: but the tires a little bit worn. So I replaced those.

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Speaker 3: I have replaced the tires. It sounded like tire noise.

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Speaker 3: Replace the tires identical noise. Didn't change a thing.

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Speaker 5: If you're driving, when you're driving down the road at

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Speaker 5: it's seventy five, you're out on the interstate somewhere, making

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Speaker 5: it just the constant noise all the time.

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Speaker 3: I haven't noticed a change, and I haven't tried that

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Speaker 3: easy to do. But yeah, I haven't. I haven't noticed

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Speaker 3: it changed too much with that. The one thing that

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Speaker 3: that gets real annoying. But the actual tire noise itself,

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Speaker 3: it's it just sounds. It sounds like it's coming from

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Speaker 3: a tire. That's something that can relate it to.

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Speaker 2: You don't think this is a wheelbaring.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Not sure your mechanic.

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Speaker 2: Because here's here's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 5: First thing I would want to listen to is just

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Speaker 2: First thing I would want to do.

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Speaker 5: Is put the car up in the air, drive it

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Speaker 5: at thirty miles an hour, take a stethoscope and listen

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Speaker 5: if you want to know what a good wheel bearing

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Speaker 5: There's a bad one. You've got a bad wheel bearing,

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Speaker 2: First thought that comes to my mind is it sounds

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now that that would be explained with the temperature,

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Speaker 3: I mean that would Yeah, I've.

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Speaker 5: Had that yeah, you know sometimes one wheel bearing is

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Speaker 5: even as a wheel bearing heats up, it'll make more

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Speaker 5: noise versus when it's cold, or change pitch all together.

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Speaker 5: I've had wheel bearings do some awful funny things. And

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Speaker 5: let me put it to you this way. If you

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Speaker 5: know it's not tires because you've changed it, all right,

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Speaker 5: we're down to it's in the drive line, you know,

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Speaker 2: But wouldn't you want to know.

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Speaker 5: If the wheel bearing's any good before you started pulling

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Speaker 5: look and listen for wheel bearing. Just take your mechanics,

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Speaker 5: should have a mechanic's stethoscope, and just very carefully listen

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Speaker 5: right at where the axle goes through the knuckle right

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Speaker 5: Do the same thing to the other side. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 5: But it also will tell you that if you don't

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Speaker 5: spin those and listen to them with this DEATHO scope.

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Speaker 5: Do you hear anything back there? Don't rule out the

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, yeah, I have one more quick one, sure,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, two thousand and one foid escape its took

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Speaker 3: it in for its emissions test. Okay, and pass the test,

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Speaker 3: no problem. It's up on the bottom the report. It

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Speaker 3: says they couldn't communicate with the OBD and they had

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Speaker 3: a problem in the future past the test tail type tests.

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Speaker 3: No problem. I'll be concerned there with the OBED who.

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Speaker 5: Did the test in Connecticut. It's done by the state

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Speaker 5: or it's done.

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Speaker 2: By a private garage.

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Speaker 3: Private garage, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, So the question here is your OBD two connector

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: If it's a problem within their software, there's nothing. And

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Speaker 5: and there's there's different issues. The easiest way to determine

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Speaker 2: Pins four and five are ground.

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Speaker 5: Pin sixteen is hot, okay, Pin sixteen is going to

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Speaker 5: four and five have lost ground, it's not going to communicate,

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Speaker 5: but the vehicle will run fine all day long. Now,

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Speaker 5: on some vehicles we find certain aftermarket accessory he's tapped

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Speaker 5: And then we also find that fuses blow for mysterious reasons.

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Speaker 5: and make fuse box and.

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Speaker 2: Make sure everything is good.

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Speaker 5: The easiest thing to do is if you have a

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Speaker 5: Doesn't communicate, because I've had issues where state inspection machines

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was communicate the last test two years ago, so.

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Speaker 2: Then something changed.

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Speaker 5: I've got to think that first place I go is

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Speaker 5: four or five for ground and pen sixteen for power.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, very good, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Let's go on over.

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Speaker 5: Let's go talk to uh, let's go talk to Bill

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill, how can I help you?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Ron, You're welcome.

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Speaker 6: I have two Diota four cylinder cameras. One is an

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Speaker 6: O six and one is a ninety three, and I've

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Speaker 6: I do it myself right now with the six. They

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Speaker 6: recommend five thirty. In the book, it says if you

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Speaker 6: kind of disagree with that. I think ten thirty is better.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that's why I'm calling you.

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Speaker 5: If we were two guys sitting at a soda fountain somewhere, Bill,

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Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of five thirty either, because I

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Speaker 5: think it's too thin. As a matter of fact, Toyota

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Speaker 5: are you ready for this? They want you to go

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Speaker 5: to zero thirty. Oh god, And they're talking about it

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Speaker 5: from a perspective of fuel economy and cold start cranking ability.

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Speaker 2: So look, the answer becomes this all right. As I

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Speaker 2: always say, auto.

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Speaker 5: Repair is a regional issue. It's different places around the country.

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Speaker 5: So if you're on Long Island, where you go through

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Speaker 5: a typical winter in a typical summer, I think ten

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Speaker 5: thirty is fine. If you want to go to five

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Speaker 5: thirty in the stream cold weather, that wouldn't be the

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Speaker 5: worst idea.

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Speaker 2: But you know, for me, ten thirty still is a

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Speaker 5: And I don't see anything wrong with it. And that's

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Speaker 5: that's where I would be in my own personal vehicles.

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Speaker 5: I've researched this issue. I've yet to have a machine

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Speaker 5: shop that I've talked to tell me that the tolerances

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Speaker 5: five point thirty ten thirty is going to be an issue.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 5: It's all about fuel economy and cold start and how

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Speaker 5: well does it crank, And until somebody gives me a

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Speaker 5: reason why, that doesn't matter to me. Here in the Northeast,

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Speaker 5: I'm staying with ten thirty across the board.

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Speaker 2: In the majority of cars, i'ron a any and the

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Speaker 2: car Doctor. I'll be back right after this