1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Joe with Lamar Airings, Winn and Jonas Knox on radio. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: And a good morning, good morning. Oh he sounds happy. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 3: I mean you're okay, figure out what do you mean? 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: A year ago? 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: A year ago, we were destined to see each other 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: before the National Championship game in a in a in 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: a matchup between two blue blood schools, and look at 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: where we are now in the same exact play. You 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: know how disappointed I was that y'all didn't make it. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: Then after I accepted the fact that y'all didn't make it, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: how happy I was that I would get to throw 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: this in your face. 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm joking. I'm joking. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 5: I mean the difference is you've got a new coach 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 5: and we'll see what happens from there. 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: Well, we did get a new coach, but you know, 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: we were definitely not in a position to have which By. 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 5: The way, it's interesting that you trying to distract off 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 5: of what you said Friday distract made its waves. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you mean distract. 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 5: That's exactly what I said. There is no words to 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 5: be twisted. You broke out some stuff Friday that not 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 5: a lot of people were aware. 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Of and I'm glad that you were aheadline. 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: I'm glad you had some awareness of the awareness because 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: you know the way the segment played out, it was 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: almost everybody was at like, did you like put Q 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: up on what was going on? 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: And I said absolutely not. 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 6: No. 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 5: You people forget like like I know people, I know 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 5: things going on, people talk to me about stuff. 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: Indeed, it was well well done. 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: It's one of the reasons why, like people think a 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 5: lot of it. It's so funny to me about the 38 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 5: college football playoff and how people have reacted to things 39 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: that I'm saying in regards to like, oh, it's because 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 5: it's about Notre Dame. It's like, no, Actually, we're gonna 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 5: have a nice little segment here, and I'm gonna teach 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 5: you some things why if I was a Miami fan, 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 5: I would be very frustrated with being left out last 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: year and almost being left out this year, and I'll 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 5: explain why. And if I was a college football fan, 46 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 5: or if I'm a BYU fan, I'd be very upset 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: about being treated differently then Bama was treated. And there's 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: reasons why. So we can all act like everything's on 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: the up and up, and that money's not involved and 50 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 5: there's not motivation to get certain conferences, certain teams and 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 5: have certain things happen. I mean, we talked about we've 52 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 5: talked about the College fall playoff, how the committee right 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: doesn't want to have rematches because we've already seen these games, Like, 54 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 5: what's the point of having a rematch? We literally have 55 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 5: two of them in the first round in this year. 56 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 5: Two I like personally, well, okay, rematches when they're not 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 5: orchestrated the way they are by this committee. So if 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 5: you had a rematch where they have to win a 59 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 5: game or two to get there, that's one thing. But 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 5: they then have a rematch where it's like we've seen 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 5: Bama Oklahoma. Does anyone really care to see that again? 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 5: Besides Alabama Oklahoma? Oklahoma's offense stinks. Alabama's defense and really 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 5: offense in the SEC championshipame stinks. We watched that before. 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: Do we need to see Ole Miss blowout t Lane again? 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 5: We've already watched that matchup. Well, but this is how 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 5: we this is how we construct our national championship in 67 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: college football. And it's crazy because you know, the playoff 68 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 5: and tournament format is obviously one of the greatest things 69 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 5: about men's basketball women basketball, like that March madness, and 70 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 5: it's celebrated, it's awesome. And instead we have a network 71 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 5: in ESPN that makes this drama filled, stupid show on 72 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: Tuesday nights and they use it just to make money 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 5: off of. And then we get into the playoff, we're like, yes, 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 5: this is for the national championship. Well, no, it's not. 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 5: You don't have the twelve best teams in there. And 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 5: I'm not like advocating too for saying like, hey, a 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: team like Tulane shouldn't make it in or jam you 78 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 5: shouldn't make it in. But again, as we talk about this, 79 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 5: I will show you how messed up the entire process is. 80 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, let's get into Yeah, let's do it. 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 5: Let's do some radio formatics. We got radio formatics. 82 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 6: I mean, let's fire off. 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 7: You know, we've already gotten the particulars out of the way, 84 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 7: the details of the show out of the way. College 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 7: football playoff is out. For those of you that aren't aware, 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 7: here's you're one through twelve, with Indiana as the number 87 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 7: one seed. You've got Ohio State two, going to have 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 7: Georgia sitting at three, Texas Tech at four. The five 89 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 7: to twelve matchup will be Oregon and James Madison. You're 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 7: going to see U as well Miami and Texas A 91 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 7: and M You've got Ole miss Tulane, as Brady mentioned, 92 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 7: and you've got the rematch of Alabama Oklahoma, which we 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 7: saw previous earlier in the year as well too. So 94 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 7: missing in this whole conversation is Notre Dame, who, in 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 7: my opinion, was strung along and strung along and strung along. 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 7: And I talked to Brady about this actually off the air, 97 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 7: and it was, you know, in the midst of a 98 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 7: hardware store fire near his house, that the idea that 99 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 7: after wins, you would then decide to flip Notre Dame 100 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 7: in Alabama was the first signal, Okay, this is a script. 101 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 7: It's a scripted television show. They were written into the 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 7: script and now we're getting towards the final episode where 103 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 7: the switch is gonna happen and Alabama goes out gets 104 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 7: knifed in. The SEC championship game wasn't even close, not 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 7: even close. They've got three losses, but they're in and 106 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 7: Notre Dame is on the outside. 107 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: Look it in God c I'm gonna let you have it. 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: It's not. 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: So there's a number of ways of looking at this, 110 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: Like there's the case for Notre Dame. And I think 111 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: a lot of people who look at Notre Dame's case 112 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: were like, well, they lost the head to head to Miami. 113 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 5: That's correct. And I think you guys know and anyone 114 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: who knows that I've talked about this situation is the 115 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: comparison to me was never Notre Dame in Miami. I've 116 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 5: always said that, like, head to head does matter, and 117 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 5: that game, if it's purely the only thing you're looking at, 118 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: has to matter. So Notre Dame was never gonna go 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 5: over go in ahead of Miami because of the head 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: to head. Now, the idea that we needed a team 121 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: in between the two to compare those two things, that's 122 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: where we start like making this a mockery when you say, like, well, 123 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 5: because there was BYU in between them, we weren't able 124 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 5: to really compare those two teams. And trust me, I 125 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: know because I'm sure LeVar back in the day, you know, 126 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 5: when he was talking to one girl, if there was 127 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: another girl between him, he never could look across the 128 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 5: bar and another girl to compare the two, right, bar 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 5: I mean. 130 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: That never happened yesterday, damn got rich. 131 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: But think about how stupid that argument is. And now 132 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 5: we go, well, guys, there was a buffer. BYU was 133 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 5: in between him. It's like, no, man, you're comparing all 134 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: those teams. You were looking at Notre Dame's case, you're 135 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 5: looking at Miami's case, you're looking at BYU's case, you're 136 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: looking at Bama's case. But the truth of the matter was, 137 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 5: in a week where Notre Dame was ahead of Alabama, 138 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 5: both teams won one much more were convincingly versus a 139 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 5: losing team versus another team who is a losing team 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 5: in Auburn, and nearly dropped that game. They jumped Alabama 141 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 5: ahead of Notre Dame, and the rationale behind that is inexplicable. 142 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 5: Some would say, well, you know, the College Football Playoff 143 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 5: Committee penalized Alabama too much when they lost to Oklahoma, 144 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: so this was a way of moving them back where 145 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: they should have been in the first place. There was 146 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 5: that little spun narrative out there. There was others who 147 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 5: felt like, well, this was actually a move to put 148 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 5: Alabama in a position where, regardless of outcome, they were 149 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 5: going to make it into the College Football Playoff because 150 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 5: they're Alabama and they've got a good resume of wins, which, 151 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 5: all right, are we not going to then factor into 152 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 5: who they've lost to and how they've lost? You know, 153 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: how are we looking at these teams as what they 154 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: are as teams? Are we looking at just their ceiling 155 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: by what they've done when they've won? Do we look 156 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: at their floor? Because the floor is pretty low at Alabama. 157 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 5: I mean, let's just look at their Week one lost 158 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 5: to Florida State, another losing team who's bad. I guess 159 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: we don't take that into consideration, at least not those 160 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: Week one games for Bama, just for Notre Dame and Miami. 161 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: So when you really start looking at how this committee 162 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: had compared the teams, there was things they did along 163 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 5: the way that made no logical sense, no rational sense 164 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 5: outside of saying this was purely for TV. There was 165 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 5: no reason to wait to move Miami ahead of Notre 166 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 5: Dame in the rankings. They could have done it all year. 167 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 5: Miami beat Notre Dame week one. There was never a 168 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 5: reason to move Miami behind Notre Dame. Notre Dame started 169 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 5: off zero to two. They always could have kept Notre 170 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 5: Dame behind Miami. So the committee purely did this for 171 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 5: the theatrics as a part of ESPN because it's Notre 172 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 5: Dame and using that brand. That's where I think a 173 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 5: lot of people are frustrated with this, because it's not 174 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 5: just about not making the playoff. It was being upon 175 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 5: in a TV show for a network that has no 176 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 5: ties to that brand or that school. And then when 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 5: you look at the brands they are propping up Miami, 178 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 5: which would have been the if. 179 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: They're not for them. 180 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 5: They're the only team representing the ACC who owns the 181 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 5: distribution to the ACC ESPN? 182 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: AC knew it was SEC, I didn't know it was ACC. 183 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: I didn't who was the distribution to the SEC ESPN ESPN. 184 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: They owned both. So when you really look at what occurred, 185 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: and if you look at the Big twelve, it's split. 186 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: It's Fox and it's ESPN. So when you look at that, 187 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: you go, huh, that's kind of odd. 188 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: You got two of the teams that you're really trying 189 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 5: to prop those con is up which and then just 190 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 5: to dive deeper into it, let's just talk about how 191 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 5: Miami got where they got and how the ACC got 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 5: where they got. Because as as I'm making a case 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: for what I think Notre Dame was frustrated by, you 194 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: also have to understand, you know, and we'll get to 195 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 5: the Bama and the SEC Championship game, but if you 196 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 5: look at the ACC Championship and how it was constructed, 197 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 5: the reason why they only have one team in it's 198 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 5: an at large bid, not their conference championship is purely 199 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 5: on Jim Phillips. It's purely on the ACC for the 200 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 5: manner in which they construct their tie breaking scenarios to 201 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 5: determine who plays in that championship game. So congratulations to 202 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 5: Manny Diaz and Duke and those players. They won the 203 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 5: ACC Championship this year. Were they the best team in 204 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 5: the ACC? Of course not. And mind you, not only 205 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 5: are that the best team in the ACC, they weren't 206 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 5: the team that was gonna end up going on to 207 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 5: go play for a national championship, which is a shame 208 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 5: because it kind of provided like a false sense of 209 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 5: what these players and coaches could achieve because eight and 210 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 5: five you're not getting in the playoff. You're not and 211 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 5: because of the tie breaking scenarios that were I believe 212 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 5: head to head and It's like, you know, percentage of 213 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 5: record versus common opponents and their win loss record. That's 214 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 5: the ACC's tie breaking scenario to determine that Duke and 215 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 5: Uva we're best suited to go play for the AEC championship. 216 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 5: We find ourselves in this entire situation where you get 217 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 5: to Lane and James Madison, this Sun Belt champion both 218 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 5: the part of the playoff. Now you're gonna ask why 219 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 5: is that. It's because the AAC, for example, in their 220 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 5: tie breaking criteria to determine who plays off for their 221 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 5: their conference championship, it reads like this head to head. Okay, 222 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 5: if that doesn't break the scenario, you go to the 223 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 5: next thing. What's that College football highest ranked College Football 224 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: playoff teams? Which makes the most sense for every conference 225 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 5: that's trying to play under the college football playoff to 226 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 5: play for a national championship. Ultimately, your conference is trying 227 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 5: to determine who are those best two teams they're gonna 228 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: play for our conference championship and then go on to 229 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 5: play for a national championship to represent our conference. And 230 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: because the ACC wasn't able to identify that they could 231 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 5: send a team with five losses to their Conference Championship 232 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: that if they win, which again congrats to Duke. Awesome game, 233 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 5: awesome seeing them be able to survive and still, you know, 234 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 5: go get that thing in overtime. But they could not 235 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 5: foresee that if that team was going to win, they 236 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 5: were gonna end up being left out of the playoff. 237 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: I mean ESPN had a crew there waiting being like, oh, 238 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 5: we will see if Duke gets it. It's like, yeah, no, 239 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 5: there's no shot. There's no shot, Like, what are you 240 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 5: talking about. And so, because of that and the way 241 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 5: it's word in the college football playoff, if you had 242 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 5: to end up having the five highest ranked conference champions 243 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 5: get access to the tournament, so you have the SEC, 244 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: the Big Ten, and the Big Twelve with Texas Tech, 245 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 5: but you still needed two more conference champs. So the 246 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: ACC gets left out. The AAC again, a better worded 247 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: tie breaking scenario allows North Texas and Talane to play 248 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: off for it, and obviously Tulane to move on into 249 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 5: the playoff, and then James Madison from the Sun Belt. 250 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: And if they would have tweaked the language to be 251 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: that of the AAC in the ACC Championship, it would 252 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 5: have been Miami playing off against UVA. What would that 253 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 5: have meant, Miami probably beats UVA. There's an extra spot 254 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 5: James Madison doesn't get in Notre Dame would end up 255 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 5: getting as that large bit it could have been byu 256 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: that would be then up for debate. So I'm not 257 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 5: even just making a case for Notre Dame. But based 258 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: on how the College Football Playoff Committee saw it, they 259 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 5: did rank No Name ahead of byu So that's who 260 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: would have gotten that final spot. So there's just one 261 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 5: example of the ineptitude of the ACC in that conference, 262 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: again distributed by the ESPN. ESPN has their hand in 263 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 5: all this, and because of their own inability to determine 264 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 5: the best suited conference champion, they end up finding themselves 265 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: in the midst of all of this, completely fumbling it, 266 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: but then lucking out because the committee throws Miami in 267 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 5: there to save the ACC the representation, and again ESPN 268 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 5: for having a conference that was basically going to be 269 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 5: left out because of the stupidity of those involved not 270 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 5: being able to figure out their own conference champion. 271 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 7: They've kind of spit on conference championship games. Basically is 272 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 7: because they've they've determined that well, look, you know, as 273 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 7: long as you, because anybody that watched the SEC title 274 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 7: game that wasn't close. 275 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't competitive like. 276 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 7: Atat like it never at one point during that game 277 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 7: did I look at it and go, oh, I don't know, man, 278 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 7: Alabama's got a shot here. 279 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 6: That wasn't close. 280 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 7: And so if you're using the same rationale as to 281 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 7: why BYU got left out or why it's okay, well 282 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 7: then make it well. 283 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: That's the next part of the conversation is why does 284 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 5: BYU get like counter and knocked down after the performance 285 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: in their Big twelve championship game and not Bama. And 286 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 5: in fact, on average over the of the four team 287 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: playoff for ten years, the average was teams that lost 288 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 5: in the conference championship but would move down two spots. 289 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: And I just had someone send me a piece of 290 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: research and it was like the last three years, the 291 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 5: only team to lose in their conference championship and not 292 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 5: move down is Alabama. And to further that point, the 293 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 5: only team in SEC Conference cham championship history to not 294 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: score a point for three quarters is this year's Alabama team. 295 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 5: This year's Alabama off And it was by the way, 296 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 5: Tys Simps in the passing game is the only thing 297 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: that's kept that entire offense together. They can't run the football, 298 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 5: they can't stop the run. This is not like your 299 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 5: Nick Saban Alabama teams. It's not I would be shocked 300 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 5: if Oklahoma and beat them agin in and Oklahoma can't score. 301 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 5: Poor jeoh matteers got to deal with a surgeygre repaired 302 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 5: thumb or a messed up thumb and their offense is struggled. 303 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 5: But like again, that plays to these ideas and thoughts 304 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 5: and conspiracy theories that this is what ESPN wants because 305 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 5: there are a lot of the teams that you know 306 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 5: they're beholden to given their distribution within the SEC and 307 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 5: the ACC and how they wanted this whole thing to 308 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 5: work out. They didn't want to leave out of Abama team, 309 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: which I think if you wanted to set that precedent, 310 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 5: you had every right to leave Bama au based on 311 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 5: that performance and laying an egg. But they tried to 312 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: send a message really to notre name that they want 313 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 5: to penalize teams for playing in a conference championship weekend. 314 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: And I'll just add on top of that for all 315 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 5: the people who are like, yo, you need a joy 316 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 5: to conference here, it is, LeVar. Are how many teams 317 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 5: in the semi last year won their conference championship? 318 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: Oh uh? 319 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: In the semi final of the College Football Playoff? 320 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, year zero just expanded twelve teams? 321 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: Zero? 322 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 5: That is dead on correct. How many teams in the 323 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 5: national championship? How many teams that won it all last year? 324 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: Zero? There you go and the other glad I could 325 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: assist you. 326 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 7: Just just listening to on the this and I'll give 327 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 7: Sean mcdonnok credit because he. 328 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: Gave it Brady Quinn credit here with this. Dude just 329 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: ran off. 330 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 6: Bruh, listen, bro. 331 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: I think he's like, he's like he needs. 332 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: To be like clinically diagnosed, Like you got some type 333 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: of issue. Man, I'm telling you, I don't get it, Spectrum, 334 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: I don't get. 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: It, brou. 336 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 3: Probably I'm sitting there trying to keep my mouth off 337 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: of the table. 338 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: Like what the sound like a cybor like a computer 339 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: like type it in enter. 340 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 6: So they had to the internet. 341 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 7: They had a lot of time to h to kill 342 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 7: during the SEC championship game. 343 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 6: It wasn't good. It was And so Sean mcdonn is 344 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 6: making the point. 345 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: Are he. 346 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 7: Sean McDonough brought up the point he said, you know 347 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 7: why is the question is why was Notre Dame knocked 348 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 7: down a spot and why were they swapped with Alabama? 349 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 7: Like that's and he tried, you know, he tried to 350 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 7: make the argument to be fair and balanced. And Greg 351 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 7: McElroy is like, well, I think they were just correcting 352 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 7: the fact that Alabama was punished too hard, dropping from 353 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 7: four to ten for their loss to Oklahoma. It's like, 354 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 7: all right, so what are we doing? Are you script doctors? Like, hey, 355 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 7: you know, we wrote this thing out, but we didn't 356 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 7: like how that went. So after the fact, we're gonna 357 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 7: go and then we're gonna start correcting things like you did. 358 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 6: Like is that how this whole thing is done now? 359 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: Like? 360 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: Is that is that? 361 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 7: Because if that's the case, then why waste anybody's time 362 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 7: in the build up until we get to the final rankings. 363 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 7: Just release the final rankings, figure out what you guys 364 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 7: want to do, and don't spend time discussing in a meeting, 365 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 7: Go to television, announce your rankings, and then a few 366 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 7: weeks later, decide, you know what, upon further review, we 367 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 7: were too harsh on them, We'll go ahead and swap 368 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 7: them the spot. 369 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: Still think none of it makes sense. 370 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: The problem with what you're saying is it still runs 371 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: into the problem that Q was presenting, and that there 372 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: is it clearly showed itself this year that the agenda 373 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: is clear. 374 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: It's clear, and and waiting to do the rankings. 375 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that that rectifies it. Like, the fact 376 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: of the matter is you want the teams in that 377 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: you want, and they're representing the bottom line that it's 378 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: going to represent. 379 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 2: I think it's very simple. 380 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: I mean Q just explained that that, like gave y'all 381 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: like a class on it, and and if you're taking 382 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: notes on it, you can understand more of the why. 383 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the dilemma is 384 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: you have conflicting interests with the people who own the 385 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: college football playoffs period, and and they're going to make 386 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: decisions that are are weighted on how it benefits them 387 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: most because they are the platform that that has. 388 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: The control over it. I mean, that's just you know, I. 389 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: Was about to say something real crazy. 390 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: Now Notre Dame knows what it feels like to be. 391 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: I really was, Now, b why you knows what it 392 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: feels like to be against the establishment. 393 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 5: You know what I mean like, well, that's here's. 394 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: The reality to it is fight fight the power. 395 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 5: We make a case that ESPN, you go, budd you 396 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 5: can equally hate the case that ESPN just hates any religion. 397 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: They hate Mormons. 398 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: There, you get all of them there. 399 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 5: That's the thing is they hit all of them. 400 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: There, you go. 401 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 5: Disney's become so sacrilegious that they just hate every sort 402 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 5: of a sense of faith. And that's that's what they're. 403 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: Pushing, pushing. I knew we could get him there. I 404 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: knew we could get him there. 405 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 5: I mean, we could call it a conspiracy theory, but 406 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 5: it seems rather obvious to me that any form of 407 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 5: a belief and a higher being they're just trying to 408 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: push out. The last time I checked, is is TCU involved. 409 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: Nope? 410 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 5: Nope, Is Baylor involved? Nope? Dang, just saying, I mean, 411 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 5: last time I saw is Boston College and some of 412 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 5: these other institutions that are tied back to, you know, 413 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 5: some sort of faith or religion. I just think ESPN 414 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: hates God and that's they're trying to take over, trying 415 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: to act like they're God out there in the college 416 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 5: football playoff and the. 417 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: Truth Shell said, free. 418 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, how about them Apple's ESPN. 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The Houston Texans stepped right up and said, 439 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 7: go f yourself with a dominant performance last night, you 440 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 7: can look at whatever the final score, stat metric you want. 441 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 7: The Kansas City Chiefs look like a shell of themselves, 442 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 7: so much so that I think LeVar basically closed the 443 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 7: coffin last night. In our text chain, would you say 444 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 7: Superman's dead? 445 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: Superman is dead? Yep, yeah, Superman is dead. 446 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: I mean the Texans they're they're like a unique team, 447 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 3: you know, like I've always said, like I look at 448 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: him and I'm like, man, are they doing good this year? 449 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 3: And you look at him and it's like, oh, they're like 450 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: at the top of their conference stuff like that. And 451 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: last night I think I think I found myself coming 452 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: away from that game asking myself the question, is the 453 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: Texans defense that good? 454 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 7: Is it? 455 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it looked they look dominant, but then it 456 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: But but the whole point was or is Kansas City 457 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: just no? 458 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: Are they just not that good? Is I said this before? 459 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 3: I feel like the fear factor of what the Kansas 460 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: City Chiefs represent, even in Arrowhead, is waning, like it's 461 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: it's it's it's fading away. I think last night might 462 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: have been to me, that's like the nail in the 463 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: coffin of it's the end of an era. 464 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: It's it's like, will. 465 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: They be good again? Maybe they'll be good again. Will 466 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: they ever be as good as they once were? I 467 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: think that that ship has sailed. Andy Reid had his 468 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: time and it was an amazing time. Patrick Mahomes had 469 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: his time, and it was an amazing time. 470 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: It's over. 471 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 5: It's over. 472 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: It's over. It's that's it. It's a rap. Johnny godmn, 473 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 3: the movie's over. Like that's the credits are coming up. 474 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 7: Oh hey, by the way, Coop's clapping by the seat. 475 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 7: I wish people could see Coop. Hey, take a bound. 476 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 6: He's wearing a Broncos poncho. 477 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: It's a team. 478 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 3: That's a team, that's a team of the future. Yeah yeah, 479 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, man, go ahead, Coop, go ahead, get 480 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: it out. 481 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: This is one of the greatest takes you've ever had. 482 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: The arguin you're you're on fire. Keep going. I don't 483 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: want to. Hey, listen, I'm looking at the highlights. 484 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 4: Like. 485 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: There were a lot of drops last night. 486 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't help the case of what Patrick 487 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: Mahomes could have been if those guys were catching the ball. 488 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: I mean, even Kelsey's drop led to a to a 489 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 3: turnover going on everyone. 490 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: Oh it's over for Kelsey. He'd been checked out. 491 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: He just getting that checking for a little bit longer. 492 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: And then once once he say, I do the numbctuals 493 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: like finally one for the good. 494 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 6: Guys to thanks man five years in Canton. 495 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: Guys can go dig too, you know what I mean? 496 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: Why not? But anyway, it's over? Why not? 497 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 3: It's over for the Chiefs though, like their streak is 498 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: going to come to an end. It's ended, right, it 499 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: was effectively ended last night of them winning a conference title. 500 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: It's it's going to end on them going to a playoff, 501 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: which ultimately ends what they've been able to accomplish in 502 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: the playoffs. I think now you just got to ask 503 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: yourself the question is this is this considered to be 504 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: a dynasty because what they what they've done, what they've 505 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: done is like, to me, it's a rap. So you 506 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: got to base it off of what they've already done, 507 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 3: not what they're going to do. 508 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a pretty decent run. 509 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: I mean there's always the chance. 510 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: I mean, look, Brady resurfaced and became a winner after 511 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: what was it like seven eight years? 512 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 6: You'd like think about this Patrick Mahomes since he. 513 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 5: Took gone to Super Bowls and lost, Like that's. 514 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 7: The difference, Patrick Mahomes since he's taken over as a 515 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 7: starter when he took over for Alex Smith. 516 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: As always. 517 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 7: At worse, they're in the AFC title game and they 518 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 7: lose it over time. 519 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 6: At worse, that's all so like this now that at. 520 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 3: Worst has gone really really really like like far away 521 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: from there. 522 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 7: At worst Yeah, now at worst is we're not making 523 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 7: the playoffs this year. 524 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're actually considered to not be a good team. 525 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 7: At worse, it's just been a while since offensively they've 526 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 7: looked decent consistently, Like there's been a couple of games, 527 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 7: but it's been a while since they've looked okay and 528 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 7: a consistently good offense. It feels like the defense has 529 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 7: been carrying that this because aired b enemy man up top. 530 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, damn up. What they had not been the 531 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: same since Eric Benemy. It's no time to say it. 532 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 7: And by the way, Eric enemy running backs coach in 533 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 7: Chicago for the Bears, why they run the ball, that's right. 534 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: I mean the Bears is on fire this year. 535 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: I mean they let it get away yesterday but I'll 536 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: tell you what, it was a hell of a game 537 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 3: and it's fun. It was a fun game. It was 538 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: finally a fun game to watch Green Bay and the Bears. 539 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: How about that? Just I was I was waiting for 540 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: cut to jump on it. I know he was ready 541 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: to jump on it. Are you ready to jump on it? 542 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 5: He's right? Think about it. They have not won a 543 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 5: Super Bowl h and more than one year after Pan 544 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 5: to me left. 545 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great point. 546 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 5: I mean they waned the year after he left. It 547 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 5: went again in twenty twenty four, So you could say, like, 548 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 5: was Eric Vietemy the reason for their success? 549 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: He was part of doubt, he was part of it. 550 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 5: That's he was part of it, without a doubt. He 551 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 5: was part of it. 552 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people tried to minimize him and 553 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: say red it was Andy Reid, it's. 554 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: Andy Reid, It's Patrick Mahomes up top, Yeah, up top. 555 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 5: But meanwhile, all they've done since he's left is go 556 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: to the Super Bowls. 557 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 7: So yeah, on befa Alfa, Brady and I would like 558 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 7: to revisit the Babe. 559 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 6: Ruth for Patrick Mahomes trade. M hmm, we'd like to 560 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 6: revisit that please. 561 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: No, we're going to well, we're keeping. We're keeping, babe, Ruth. 562 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: You guys got Patrick Mahomes, you want to revisit? 563 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: Why wait? We got Jordan Love though, so don't worry. 564 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 5: We want Patrick Mahomes. I thought we want we want 565 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 5: my homes. 566 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all did. That's why. That's why we trade it. 567 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 6: Not after last night. 568 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: See, Jonas is trying to treat yall like Notre Dame. 569 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, trying to treat you I 570 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: like your alma mater. 571 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Today. I wanted you to who's y'all? Well, yeah, is 572 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: the Notre Damers. 573 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 574 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and 575 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. 576 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 2: And right now. 577 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 7: Yes, we welcome in the one and only come on 578 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 7: Crisco Senior l columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ Analyst, 579 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 7: our smooth operator, and if you want some of that 580 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 7: smoke on social media, you can get it at Prisco 581 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 7: CBS Peak. 582 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 2: Good morning, Hill. 583 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 4: I was expecting a lot of Brady Quinn smoke in 584 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 4: the last Yesterday. I wanted to see why is it. 585 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 5: What I'm not like going after guys and be look 586 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 5: at bozoy clown. I'm just like stating facts. I don't 587 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 5: know why people think that's like being uh, you know, 588 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 5: smoke or like going after it with people. 589 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 4: About what guy's not playing in the bowl. 590 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 5: Game, which again you've always said that, so you know, to. 591 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: Ask you that that's what that's what the amazing thing 592 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: is you finally have come over to my thought. 593 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 5: First off, I've never I've never disagreed with you. We've 594 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 5: talked about that in regards to like the playoffs one thing, 595 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 5: but not like these exhibition games. 596 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 4: Right, that's all they are exhibition games exactly. 597 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 5: And I've said that with you. Yeah, I'll put it 598 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: this way. I'll put it this way. I really thought 599 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 5: you were going to get on and make this statement, 600 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 5: which you have not so far, but you will. When 601 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 5: college football, which is the pageantry of the history, the 602 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 5: history of the tradition, all that, there's so many really 603 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 5: cool things about it. This is the ugly part about 604 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 5: it now is when you compare it to what the 605 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 5: NFL is, outside of the fact that it's you know, 606 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 5: bigger markets and all that stuff, is the NFL actually 607 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 5: is able to determine like they're champion in a manner 608 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: that like there's no disputing it. Everyone pretty much agrees 609 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 5: with it. Maybe we'd say, like, hey, if you win 610 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: your division with a losing record, maybe you shouldn't host homefield. 611 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 5: I don't know, But for the most part, it's a 612 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 5: format that we all agree with. I don't know that 613 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 5: anyone's ever been happy with the playoff at four teams 614 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 5: twelve teams regardless. So this is the one ugly part 615 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 5: I think of college football that NFL easily has over 616 00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 5: college football. 617 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, you went in on the field and you 618 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 4: don't have a you don't have a beauty pageant, judges 619 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 4: deciding who goes and who doesn't. 620 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: I mean that's that's or or another way of putting it. 621 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 5: You don't have like Las Vegas and Cleveland and get 622 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 5: a couple of spots to play in the playoffs when 623 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 5: they're already out of it kind of you know what 624 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like like a lesser level team getting in 625 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 5: where you know they're not gonna have any shot at winning. 626 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 5: It's just like, hey, we're glad you had a great season. 627 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: Let's see how things go here. 628 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 4: Look and this this isn't I know you're taught not 629 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: talking just because Notre Dame got left out, because by 630 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: the way, Notre Dame should be in. Alabama should be out, period, 631 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 4: end of story. That's the way it should be. 632 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 5: As Obama fan, most people watch the games, they go, yeah, 633 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 5: this BAMA team is not a Nick Saban Damita team. 634 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 5: They're not very good. 635 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No, and the quarterback is regressed in a 636 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 4: big way in the last five weeks and can't start 637 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 4: it on. It should be Notre Dame and Miami. But 638 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 4: if you really want to get down to it, let 639 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 4: me come on, James Madison and Tulane. If you were 640 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: having the true playoff, they wouldn't be in. That's the reality. 641 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 4: You know. You get. 642 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 2: Shot, they fired, shake, grenade thrown. 643 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, seriously, this isn't. 644 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: This isn't special seasons can't be rewarded with having an 645 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: opportunity to see. 646 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 2: I am thoroughly intrigued. 647 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: To see if they get their asses beat like everybody 648 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 3: thinks they are, or they pull off an upset somebody 649 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: at some point, at some at some point, somebody's going 650 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: to have an upset. I'm just saying somebody's gonna I 651 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: would love for it. 652 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 4: It'd be like in the old days when they used 653 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 4: to have the Cinderella in March. 654 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: Man. 655 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 4: If they win a game in the first round and 656 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 4: they get plastered by forty the next week, I mean, 657 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: come on, it doesn't work. And you do you think 658 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 4: James Madison or tou Lane as a shot. 659 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: Do you seriously they're there. They aren't the right to 660 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: be there, aren't the right everybody. 661 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 3: Hey, listen, you gotta wake up, and you gotta put 662 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: one foot down on the floor, one out down, one 663 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 3: out of time, just like the other team does. Just 664 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 3: like the other team does. 665 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 4: They barely won their championship the other night. I mean, 666 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: come on, and it shouldn't. 667 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 2: Be, but they want it. 668 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 5: We'll also point out this to LeVar that I don't 669 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 5: know if he's aware again. Ole Miss played you know, 670 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 5: this matchup already this season where they saw the outchey 671 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 5: you said. 672 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: It, They realized they get they get another go at it, 673 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 3: They get to redeem themselves. What if they go out 674 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 3: there and spank them boys like. 675 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 5: Join the AC and they wipe the floor of the 676 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 5: a C every year and they get the automatic bid 677 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 5: who's that who? As I'm saying, like a team's basically 678 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 5: you just join a lower yet one repeated and then 679 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 5: they go in every year. 680 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 4: You're right, it's a bad it's a bad system. We 681 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 4: know that. And it's and and the whole college football 682 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 4: system is bad. 683 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 5: Right now, let's let's not get ahead of ourselves. Because 684 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 5: LeVar said something Pete that I think you're gonna love. 685 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 5: He believes that the Chiefs are done. That's a rep 686 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 5: put a fork him is he's calling it. He's who 687 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 5: man seth Rickersham esque like calling the Patriots before they 688 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 5: actually were truly done. But LeVar is calling them put 689 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 5: a fork and un they're done. 690 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 4: They're done, wait done this year or done period? 691 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 2: Done forever? Done? 692 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's ridiculous. They still mahomes Are you serious? 693 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 2: Non Superman is dead? 694 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 4: Bruh, Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask 695 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: you this. That's a pretty good Texans defense, right they 696 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 4: played with dout three offensive lineman really good and they 697 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 4: still had a chance, they still had a real chance 698 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 4: to win that game. They're done forever, LeVar? 699 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: At what point? 700 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 3: At what point do we don't LeVar me like like like, oh, 701 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: my gosh. Your point is, hey, look here, Pete. I 702 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: said it, and I mean it what I see down 703 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 3: that Kansas City Chiefs game was a must win game 704 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: for them. I've said it all along. The fair factor 705 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: of the Kansas City Chiefs. The mastique has worn out, 706 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: it has run its course. 707 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: Look at the tread. If you put a quarter. 708 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 3: In there and you can see the the head of 709 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 3: George Washington, you need a new tire. This team's tires 710 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: are bolting. It's done. It's done. The Kansas City Chiefs 711 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 3: ran it must win at home and you can't win 712 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: in Kansas City Kingdom. 713 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 2: It's done. 714 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 4: Well, they're done it. They're probably done this year. But 715 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 4: done as in done with number fifteen playing quarters. Yes 716 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 4: they're done. 717 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 3: Yes, done as in done, as in the code has 718 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: been cracked, and now that their defense isn't bailing them 719 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 3: out so that people can continue to talk about how 720 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 3: good Patrick Mahomes is when he's been bailed out the 721 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: last couple of years by the defense to begin with, Yes, 722 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 3: even Patrick Mahomes, it is done. 723 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: Done. Put a fork in to make sure. 724 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: Let's make sure you clip this in about five years 725 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 4: from that, let's pull it back out again and then 726 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 4: we can all laugh in LaVar strace how about that? 727 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: And you know what this is media. So I don't 728 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: care like if it changes. If three four years from 729 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,959 Speaker 3: now they become a good team again, I'll lie. I'll 730 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 3: just say you know what I said, that they would 731 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 3: be back all along, that's all. I don't have, no problem. 732 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 3: I can have revisionist history. It's two three years from. 733 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: Now, LeVar, I'm joking. 734 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 3: I am joking, but I am not joking about them 735 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: being done. They are done, just. 736 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 2: So clear probably done. 737 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 4: They're probably done this year, but they're not done, done, done, 738 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 4: not as long as quarterback you're out of your mind. 739 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: That's a safe it's a safe assessment. Pete. 740 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 7: Let me ask you about another team that I think 741 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 7: is not only done this year, but has put themselves 742 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 7: in a tough spot. So when the Colts made the 743 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 7: move to trade for sauce Gardner and they gave up 744 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 7: what they gave up to get him, the thought was, 745 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 7: you know, we're pretty much going all in this year. 746 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 7: Then Daniel Jones has a broken fibula, then he tears 747 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 7: his achilles, sauce Gardner is banged up. Now that feels 748 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 7: like they really rolled the dice, and if you compare 749 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 7: their first half of the season to what the second 750 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 7: half has looked like so far, they're also not going 751 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 7: to make the playoffs and have set themselves back with 752 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 7: the moves they made for years to come. 753 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 4: It feels like, yeah, they're done. And by the way, 754 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 4: they were going to have a tough time whether Daniel 755 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 4: Jones was in the lineup anyways. I mean, I thought 756 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 4: they were going to lose yesterday and you know, he 757 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 4: threw a terrible interception to start the game. And then 758 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 4: look at their schedule. I mean they went they were 759 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 4: going to Seattle next week, They have the Niners and 760 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 4: the Texans left. I mean, the schedule is just brutal. 761 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 4: And so I thought they were done anyways, but now 762 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 4: with him not being there, they're really done. And here's 763 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 4: the other part of it. You talk about that trade 764 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 4: for Sauce Gardner. You know, the last time the Colts 765 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 4: won the division, Andrew Luck was the quarterback. Every team 766 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 4: in the division has won it at least twice since 767 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 4: they've last won it. So if you look at Chris 768 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 4: Ballard and what he's done, I think that you know, 769 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 4: you make that move because you are all in and 770 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 4: now you're all in and you don't have those draft picks, 771 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 4: so they have big problems, no question about it. You know, 772 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 4: I don't. You guys know an Achilles better than me. 773 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 4: But it's easy get to play next year with that? 774 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 4: Can he play next. 775 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. He walked off the field though, 776 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 3: so I don't know. That's and we I brought that 777 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 3: up earlier. I don't know the severity of the tier. 778 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 3: I think it all depends on the severe If he 779 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 3: fully ruptured it, that's going to take a little while. 780 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 5: That's I do believe that's gonna ask. I don't know 781 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 5: the severity either. But it's kind of like an a 782 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 5: c l if it's partially torn or fully torn. Aren't 783 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 5: you just going back and reattaching regardless, Like it's you 784 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 5: have surgery, You. 785 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 2: Do have it. 786 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 3: No, you do have to re It's different if you 787 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 3: have to pull it down out of the calf muscle. 788 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 7: Pete LeVar said earlier that it's going to take Dana 789 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 7: Jones longer to come back because he's white. 790 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 6: What are your thoughts? 791 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he doesn't recover as well. 792 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 4: Nor is the idea, what the hell he's doing. 793 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 5: Is a better show. 794 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 3: The fact that you went went along with what they 795 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 3: just did, and you you you said that about me. 796 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 3: The way you did it shows what our relationship dynamic 797 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 3: is be. You know what, you'll sell me out. I 798 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 3: get it now, all right, I got you, I get it. 799 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 5: You get uncomfortable. 800 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 4: I thought they were trying to stir the poduct, all right, 801 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 4: and here you get uncomfortable. 802 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 5: Can we talk about the Jaguars though? 803 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? What about them? 804 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 5: I mean, you are the mayor of Jacksonville. You could see, 805 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 5: you know, their coaches fired up after the game. Trevor 806 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 5: Lawrence playing better in a sloppy, sloppy weather game. 807 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 6: I don't know. 808 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 5: I just talk to me about your Jaguars, Man nine 809 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 5: and four bawling right now. 810 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 4: Well, they're not my Jaguars. But the reality is is 811 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 4: that they're going to win the division and and and 812 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 4: they're gonna have a chance to be the number two seed. 813 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 4: They go to Denver in a couple of weeks. In 814 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 4: that game could decide who's the number two seeds. So look, 815 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 4: he's done a great job with that team. And one 816 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 4: thing that's kind of I don't know if everybody's overlooking it, 817 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 4: but getting to Kobe Myers has helped the entire offense 818 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 4: because Trevor Lawrence trusts him, he knows what he's going 819 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 4: to do, he knows where he's going to be. And 820 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 4: not only that, Jakobe Myers has helped Brian Thomas. He's 821 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 4: a pros pro and Brian Thomas is now starting to 822 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 4: make plays. And so I think that offense has come alive. 823 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 4: And you know, defensively they're number one in the league 824 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 4: against the run, and are they that good? And that 825 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 4: you know, probably not when you look at it, man 826 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 4: the man, they're not, but that guy's done a really 827 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,919 Speaker 4: good job Campanelli with that defense. And so look they're 828 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 4: gonna be in a year when nobody's that good. They're 829 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 4: capable of making a little run. Just as like, just 830 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 4: like anybody else in the league. Is who in the 831 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 4: AFC when you look at it on paper, who in 832 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 4: the AFC is a team that you fear? Do you 833 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 4: fear the Patriots or the Broncos? 834 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 6: Hoston Houston? Know that's Houston. 835 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 5: Houston will give you problems and is going to give. 836 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 2: A lot of we got problem you stad. 837 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 4: But I mean, but Jacksonville led that by nineteen in 838 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter about a month ago and blew the game. Look, 839 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 4: there's no great team. I think it's going to be 840 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 4: the most wide open AFC playoffs we seen it a 841 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 4: long time, and probably even in the NFT. 842 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 5: Can we talk about the Eagles then, because we got 843 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 5: a Monday night football matchup tonight. It feels like their 844 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 5: backs are somewhat against the wall the way they've been 845 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 5: playing of late. But you can make maybe the same 846 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 5: case about the Chargers. Give us a little preview of 847 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 5: how you have picked this game, how you see a 848 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 5: plan out. 849 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Eagles are gonna win that game. 850 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 4: I think the Chargers you talked about the Chargers are 851 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 4: in trouble. The Chargers are in trouble. Line you know, 852 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 4: I mean they're desperate. Yeah, the offensive line the mess 853 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 4: and they you know, they put the salary in at 854 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 4: left tackle last week and he did a better job 855 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 4: than everybody else who played over there. But they still 856 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 4: have major issues on the offensive line. Plus you know, Brady, 857 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 4: you would know this better than me. But the hand injury, 858 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 4: how is that going to impact him when he's being Yeah, 859 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 4: and so it changes the way you play a little bit. 860 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 4: I think the Eagles they've had. Obviously, they got blown 861 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 4: off the ball last week against the Bears. I mean 862 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 4: they were just hammered in the run game. And now 863 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 4: you've got to go back out and play a team 864 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 4: that really doesn't run the ball very well. So I 865 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 4: think that place to them, even without Jalen Carter, I 866 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 4: think the offense will get going. Give the ball to Barkley. 867 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 4: Gives the ball to Barkley, Give the ball to Barkley. 868 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,919 Speaker 4: Stop with the receivers complaining and you know, moping, even 869 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 4: when they catch eight for one point thirty. I mean, 870 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 4: just stop it and go give the ball to Barkley. 871 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 4: You go win the game. I think the Eagles win 872 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 4: the game. I think they're the more physical team tonight. 873 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 6: Pete Presco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. 874 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 2: Go ahead, no good, Pete. 875 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 7: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who you spoke glowingly about in 876 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 7: your training camp tours before the year, look like a 877 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 7: shell of themselves as well too. 878 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 6: I don't know what the hell. 879 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 7: That was against New Orleans or were they eight and 880 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 7: a half point favorites or something along those lines at 881 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 7: home ending up losing outright. But now all of a 882 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 7: sudden they find themselves in a fight in a division 883 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 7: they should have walked through with the Carolina Panthers. What 884 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 7: do you make of the Tampa Bay struggles. 885 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Baker Mayfield's hurt and at worse than 886 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 4: he's leading on. And because since he's been hurt, you 887 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 4: know officially, which happened in the Rams game, he hadn't 888 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 4: played very well. And I think he got hurt in 889 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 4: the forty nine Ers game before that, and just you know, 890 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 4: he starts a competitor at times he's not going to 891 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 4: come out. I heard he didn't even want to come 892 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 4: out of the Rams game and he was you know, 893 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 4: couldn't even throw the football. So I think he's hurt 894 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 4: not playing well. I think the injuries have taken their 895 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 4: toll in a lot of ways. I mean, yesterday played 896 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 4: without worst at left tackle. He's one of the best 897 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 4: in the business, didn't play. They've been playing without the 898 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 4: right guard all year. They had it, you know, early 899 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 4: in the season, they didn't have anybody on that offensive line. 900 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 4: He was supposed to play in their normal position. Mike 901 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 4: Evans isn't there. And that's the thing about Mike Evans, 902 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 4: you know, I asked one time during the summer I 903 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 4: asked Baker about it, and he said, look, our offense. 904 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 4: You know what our offense is Mike Evans in the 905 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 4: run game. Mike Evans in the run game, and Mike 906 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 4: Evans isn't there, and that changes the whole dynamic of 907 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 4: their offense. And defensively, they don't rush the passer well enough. 908 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 4: You know, they thought Reddick would come in there and 909 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 4: really cuse it up, and he hasn't and he's been time. 910 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 4: So here's the thing. Get win the two games against Carolina. 911 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 4: You're in the playoffs. Get ready for the playoffs. That's 912 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 4: as simple as it is for them, and they could 913 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 4: win it different ways. But if they win two games 914 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 4: against Carolina and they play them the two weeks, once 915 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 4: at Carolina and then at the end of the year 916 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,959 Speaker 4: at home, they'll be in the playoffs. And it's all 917 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 4: about getting right for the playoffs. And by then you 918 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 4: should have Mike Evans back.