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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. The Ravens have

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Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, Zachary Orr has been hired in

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Speaker 1: a quick move by John Harball to replace the departing

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, who's becoming the Seattle Seahawks head coach. A

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Speaker 1: lot to break down here, Garrett. Big news on the

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Speaker 1: Ravens front, and John Harwall didn't waste any time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is you know, it's the seasons,

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Speaker 2: of people felt really all year long that there was

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Speaker 2: a very real potential that Mike McDonald could leave. And

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Speaker 2: he is a hot up and coming coach. He gets

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Speaker 2: a reported six year deal in Seattle, and so I

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Speaker 2: think there's disappointment to lose him. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 2: great coordinator. The Ravens had the best defense in the

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Speaker 2: But I'm not at the same At the same time,

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Speaker 2: you're happy for him to get that opportunity and he's

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Speaker 2: gonna get a chance to be a head coach, and

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Speaker 2: what a rise for him from where he was looked

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Speaker 2: back five years ago. He was really a nobody's head

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Speaker 2: coaching radar at that point, and here he is with

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Speaker 2: a long term deal as a Selcahawks head coach. So

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Speaker 2: credit to Mike. And then yeah, I mean fired up

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Speaker 2: about Zach Orr, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean first, yeah, let's I'll say my piece

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Speaker 1: about Mike. Here is Mike in his two years, really

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Speaker 1: and John Harball is part of this process of crafting

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Speaker 1: the scheme. But Mike was awesome. Players loved them. Great communicator,

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Speaker 1: great play caller, great schemer. I think the versatility that

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Speaker 1: he built into the Ravens defense or helped build certainly

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Speaker 1: was a chief part of that. And just allowing different

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Speaker 1: guys to get their shots. You heard that from players

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Speaker 1: all season long, that everybody had their opportunities to make plays,

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Speaker 1: especially getting after the quarterback. Mike was great and so

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Speaker 1: it's big shoes to fill. And Zach War I think,

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Speaker 1: is a really another great guy and an up and

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Speaker 1: coming coach who was really like a first lieutenant to

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. I mean, this is a guy he worked

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Speaker 1: with very closely. Mike McDonald previously worked at the Ravens linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Zachary Or has been the Ravens inside linebackers coach sou

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Speaker 1: Zach has very intimate knowledge of this scheme. I think

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Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense that John Harvell would

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Speaker 1: stay in house. John Harball had some good in house options,

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Speaker 1: and Zach Wohrer is the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well there, when you look at it from a

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Speaker 2: big picture standpoint, the Ravens had a great defense and

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Speaker 2: a lot of people wanted a piece of that. So

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Speaker 2: that's where all that's going on. The other thing too,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, you know, the fact of the

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Speaker 2: matter is like when Mike. The buzz around Mike McDonald

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Speaker 2: being a head coach really started about midway through this

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Speaker 2: season full force, when people realized how good this defense

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Speaker 2: and so he had a lot of time to think

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Speaker 2: And whenever you have a coach leave, I think that

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Speaker 2: oftentimes they bring some folks with them, and so we'll

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Speaker 2: see he once his staff is built, who he brings

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Speaker 2: while Mike had time to think about that, John Harball

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Speaker 2: also certainly had time to think about that because there

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Speaker 2: had time to think about who could ultimately be my

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think that you know, Zack.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I love Zach, but he was not

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Speaker 3: You know, he's the younger guy, so Zach.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think that everyone was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that like you look at.

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Speaker 2: think that Zach is a really exciting option. Honestly, go

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Speaker 2: and it was one that you know, Mike had that

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mike had one year as a defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: And so here you are a couple of years later,

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Speaker 1: Now, the difference between Mike McDonald and Zachary Or, among

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Speaker 1: the differences is that Mike McDonald left the Ravens to

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Speaker 1: get one year of experience calling plays as a defensive

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Speaker 1: to his playing days, played for the Ravens for three years.

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Speaker 1: Undrafted linebacker came out was a phenomenal player. I mean

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Speaker 1: He was a defensive analyst for the Ravens in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, he never left the building.

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Speaker 2: They just basically said, all right, Zach, clean out your

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Speaker 2: And so everyone felt bad for him, and everyone liked him,

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Speaker 2: and well, yeah, I mean I want.

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Speaker 1: To make sure that it's clear. It's not like this

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Speaker 1: Zachary Orr was like a very smart dude. He was,

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Speaker 1: And I think also it was just like he had

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Speaker 1: Like this is a guy who new ball, just ate it,

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Speaker 1: And he spent spent four years as a defensive analyst.

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Speaker 1: This is before he became a position coach. Four years

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Speaker 1: But I think that Zach's coaching certainly helped the past

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I mean, everyone loves Zach as

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Speaker 2: you know, the Ravens basically were like, we don't want

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Speaker 3: Everyone likes him.

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Speaker 2: He's too good of a He's kind of that force

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Speaker 2: The other thing, you know, he went to Jacksonville for

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Speaker 3: And now he's getting another big shot.

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Speaker 1: Talk about passionate, and I think that you go back

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Speaker 1: I mean, Zach Orr is fired up on that sideline.

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Speaker 1: This this dude's I think he might have a little

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Speaker 1: we saw at times some fist pumps, but Zach Orr.

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Speaker 1: Now it's different when you're a position coach, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's a really great guy. I mean, you just talk

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Speaker 1: So zach Or checks a lot of boxes. John Harball

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Speaker 1: and Mike did that. He had his own wrinkles and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Two more points for me. One, you don't fault

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Speaker 1: Well sad to see Mike leave, happy to get Zach

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Speaker 1: Well, I think certainly Eric Takass will be asked about

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Speaker 3: We we and we did.

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Speaker 2: We honestly we did hit some of that conversation in

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