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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is

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Speaker 1: leading off live the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Joe Rico, joined by a special guest. Today we have

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Speaker 1: Chris Towers in the house, host of CBS is Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Baseball Today podcast, along with the great Frank Stample and

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Speaker 1: Scott White. Chris, it is great to have you on here.

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Speaker 1: I've was just thinking about it before. We haven't done

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Speaker 1: a pod together in a while. We got to hang

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Speaker 1: out a little bit in Arizona last year, but it's

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Speaker 1: great to see you, man. How you doing doing well.

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Speaker 2: We got the last week of the season. We were

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Speaker 2: talking before the show. It'll be nice to relax a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Hope you're doing First Pitch Arizona this year

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Speaker 2: as well. I'll be out there, so looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm going to be there. I know I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be on the Sleeper and the Bust with Justin

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Speaker 1: and Paul and Jason. I do that show usually once

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Speaker 1: a week these days. And then I think we're still

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Speaker 1: talking about a Fantasy Pros podcast down there, still in

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Speaker 1: the works, but yes, absolutely we'll be down there. If

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Speaker 1: you guys haven't checked it out, already. BASEHQ does a

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Speaker 1: great fantasy baseball event every November down in Arizona, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you guys are checking that out. Fill up

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Speaker 1: the chat with your questions. I know it's the end

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Speaker 1: of the year and maybe your season's done, maybe your

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Speaker 1: head to head legues you are done. But if you're

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Speaker 1: in rodo or you just want to shoot the breeze,

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Speaker 1: throw your questions into the chat. WILL be happy to

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Speaker 1: answer them here on this lovely Monday. We only have

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Speaker 1: three more shows left for the season. Today with myself

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Speaker 1: and Chris. Wednesday will be myself and Casey Bubba, and

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Speaker 1: then Friday, Chris Welsh, Joe Rico, Joe piz Apia, all

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Speaker 1: three of the hosts on the final show of the year,

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Speaker 1: which should be a lot of fun. But I did

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Speaker 1: want to start off with probably the most controversial topic

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Speaker 1: in baseball these days. It's the American League MVP award.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I really care so so much,

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Speaker 1: but I see people on both sides of the argument

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Speaker 1: saying that the other side is very stupid. It's obviously

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Speaker 1: Cal Rawley, it's obviously Aaron Judge. For me, it's not

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Speaker 1: really obviously either one of them at this point. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem with it going really either way, Chris,

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Speaker 1: But we haven't talked in a while. I figured out

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Speaker 1: to see where you're at on this whole discussion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only incorrect opinion you can have about American

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Speaker 2: League MVP is that it should be someone who isn't

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Speaker 2: col rally or Aaron Judge. Otherwise I have no strong take,

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Speaker 2: Like I Aaron Judge is at that level that Mike

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Speaker 2: Trout was at in the twenty tens, right where it

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Speaker 2: requires someone doing something absolutely historic for him to not

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Speaker 2: win the MVP. Well, there is a catcher who's pretty

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Speaker 2: good defensively, who has fifty eight homers with a week

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Speaker 2: left in the season, Like that is a pretty historic performance.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, the idea that there is a wrong

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Speaker 2: We've got six games left for both that might be

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Speaker 2: what decides it. Actually like that, that is how narrow

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Speaker 2: the margins we're operating at here. And you might look

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Speaker 2: at like I know, Baseball Reference, there's like a two

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Speaker 2: war difference between them on Baseball Reference. In that specific instance,

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Speaker 2: they're not counting framing stats on their metrics and so

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna get the accurate take. And if you

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Speaker 2: think framing stats are overstating impact, I'm I'm open to

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Speaker 2: There is a point four war difference between the two

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Speaker 2: of them. For all intents and purposes, that's a tie.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those years. It's the same with

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Speaker 2: no wrong answer. It's one of them has to win,

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Speaker 2: mean the guy who finishes in second doesn't deserve it. Now, personally,

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Speaker 2: because I like trolling New York sports fans, I think

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Speaker 2: the funnier outcome is col Rally wins it. But that

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Speaker 2: That is just me being a jerk. I like Aaron Judge.

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Speaker 2: I never thought we would see player at least this

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Speaker 2: operating at a level where Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle,

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Speaker 2: he has to keep. But Mookie Bets won an MVP

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Speaker 2: So it's not just voter fatigue or anti whatever, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat, like as a Blue Jay fan,

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Speaker 1: I have no problem ribbing Yankee fans or New Yorkers,

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Speaker 1: no problem at all. But I honestly, looking at it,

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Speaker 1: In the chat, Brandon said, curious if the Mariners making

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Speaker 1: not making the postseasons have an impact. The Mariners continue

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Speaker 1: the wild card spot. I feel like that could definitely factor.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like you talked about, Chris, they're so close,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't really matter. But voters will look at those other

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a strong field though if I

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Speaker 1: if it goes to either one of them, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to be upset about it. It's kind of like,

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Speaker 1: that forty eight home run season. As a Blue Jay fan,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't have any problem with it either. They

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Speaker 1: and the voters will have to decide that again this year.

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Speaker 1: But I don't really have a strong opinion either way.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Yeah, somebody has to win,

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Speaker 2: right like that. The person winning does is not an

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Speaker 2: should be. I don't know. Are there sixty MVP voters

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Speaker 1: Or the other. Yes, I think it will be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We've seen some crazy races, so it should be fun

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Speaker 1: to follow over the final week. If Roley hits that

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Speaker 1: fifty nine versus sixty. But again, it's those little soft

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Speaker 1: Think that probably it probably is. All it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: What have you been making of the recent playoff races

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Speaker 1: lot of movement that I didn't really expect to see

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Speaker 2: looking at the Fangrafts playoff odds, and the Mets had

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Speaker 2: seemed odd to me because the Reds were two games

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Speaker 2: was like, well, how does that make sense? The two

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Speaker 2: already they have the tiebreaker. I think at this point

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Speaker 2: So it's it's a really tough spot for the Mets

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Speaker 2: the seating. The Guardians were. Guardians were like eight games

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Speaker 2: completely collapsed. The Guardians can't stop winning. It's been much

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Speaker 2: more fun than I expected it to be. And hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Marlins fan. Technically the Marlins are playing for

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Speaker 2: play for.

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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun, and I agree, like

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, I thought every race was essentially sealed.

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Speaker 1: you know, two three weeks ago, every team that was

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Speaker 1: With the Mets, things have been clicking at different times

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Speaker 1: The offense at certain points in the season was absolutely

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if things are going to click

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Speaker 2: But that's where the Reds are kind of a team

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Speaker 1: Let's take a couple of questions here. There was a

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Speaker 2: I am I'm leaning Chris Sale, okay, and I think

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Speaker 2: There probably shouldn't be another one for like twenty five

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Speaker 1: I really do as well. I agree with just about

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Speaker 1: For me, though, after three with Sale, Gilbert, you know, Joe, Ryan, Hunter, Brown, Yamamoto, Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: of the episode as well, so you guys can can

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Speaker 1: click on that one and find it there. Daily Leak,

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Speaker 1: Shall I use Otani as a hitter or a pitcher

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Speaker 1: at Arizona on Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know he's limited to five innings. We

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Speaker 2: knew that. Dave Roberts said that back in July. But

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Speaker 2: I think everybody was got a forceful reminder when he

436
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Speaker 2: was pulled in the middle of a no hitter last week.

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Speaker 2: But that that is that is the max. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: if he throws sixty innings in five innings, sixty pitches

439
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Speaker 2: in five innings, he's gone. I think in a daily

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Speaker 2: league you still go with the picture. Though in a

441
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Speaker 2: weekly league you're almost never using him as a pitcher,

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Speaker 2: so you might just take the take the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: use him here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in weekly leagues, there might be one

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Speaker 1: week in the season maybe if he has two starts

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Speaker 1: where you're like, and this was not the year for that.

447
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Speaker 1: Maybe next year you see Otani's got two starts, you

448
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Speaker 1: need to help, you need to catch up on the

449
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Speaker 1: pitching stats for one day. I don't mind going to

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Speaker 1: Otani there, like in that type of situation, he's such

451
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Speaker 1: a cheat code. You put him in the pitching slot

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Speaker 1: for one day, you put him in the hitting spots

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Speaker 1: the rest of the week. You're still probably getting like

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Speaker 1: a one hundred points or something close to it from

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Speaker 1: mister Otani. Here, pick keepers for next year. I don't

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Speaker 1: have to keep five. We can enter draft and get

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Speaker 1: a good player that isn't Kep Mookie at shortstop only

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Speaker 1: seeger Otani, Soto, jord On Tucker, and Snell. That is

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Speaker 1: a hall of names. I don't have to keep five,

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Speaker 1: So I mean you're keeping Otani and Soto, You're keeping Tucker.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets a little bit complicated

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what jord On Alvarez's price

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Speaker 2: looks like in twenty twenty six, because before the ankle injury,

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Speaker 2: I was kind of willing to just completely give him

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Speaker 2: the mulligan for this because it was just a hand

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Speaker 2: injury that got misdiagnosed. And I know the Astros have

468
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Speaker 2: a tendency of misdiagnosing injuries lately, but typically that's not

469
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Speaker 2: something that you would expect to be a recurring injury

470
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Speaker 2: typically not something that you would expect to linger. Now

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Speaker 2: he's got this ankle injury. Obviously, lower body injuries have

472
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Speaker 2: been the problem for yard On Alvareze throughout his career.

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Speaker 2: Mostly it's been the knees. I still think this is

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Speaker 2: a guy who, you know, we talk about like guys

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Speaker 2: having historic seasons to challenge Aaron Judge for MVP. Yard

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Speaker 2: On is still one of those guys I can see

477
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Speaker 2: having a random year where he hits fifty homers and

478
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Speaker 2: hits three twenty five and is in that MVP discussion.

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Speaker 2: I think he's, you know, one of the ten best

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Speaker 2: hitters in baseball. Let's say, might be five, might be twelve,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is. The injuries are a big concern here.

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Speaker 2: I still I haven't done my rankings yet for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. I would still think I'm gonna rank him

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Speaker 2: in the top four rounds. You know, maybe it's not

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Speaker 2: a second round pick you discount it, but a third

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Speaker 2: or fourth round that still seems viable to me. So

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Speaker 2: I would guess in this format, and especially in that

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Speaker 2: ESPN Points league where you lose a lot of points

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Speaker 2: for bad plate discipline, where jod On Avares has incredible

490
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Speaker 2: plate discipline. So I still think he's probably in this discussion.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about Mookie or Seeger and Snell. I

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Speaker 2: am more likely to draft Blake Snell this year than

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Speaker 2: last year because I thought last year he was a

494
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Speaker 2: top eight SP and ADP and I just thought that

495
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Speaker 2: was crazy. We know, we know the deal with Blake Snell.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna he's gonna look amazing for some stretch. He's

497
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Speaker 2: not gonna throw a lot innings. I could not make

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Speaker 2: sense of his price coming into this season. I'm more

499
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Speaker 2: likely to buy it now that I would guess it's

500
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Speaker 2: gonna dip to like SP twenty or something. But even then,

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Speaker 2: I don't really think he's in that first five round discussion.

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Speaker 2: Mookie has bounced back in a nice way in the

503
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Speaker 2: second half, but I still think fifth round is right

504
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Speaker 2: around where I would guess he ends up. And that's

505
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Speaker 2: not a screaming value. Same with Secret.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 2: I don't hold him having an appendectomy against him, right

508
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Speaker 2: like that could that could happen. That happened to me

509
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Speaker 2: when I was twelve. You know, I hope nobody holds

510
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Speaker 2: that against me. But it's just one of those situations.

511
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Speaker 2: Where it's always something. I think he is like thirty

512
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Speaker 2: two or thirty three, so he's older. I think he

513
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Speaker 2: should get pushed down. So I would go with Otani, Soto, Jordan,

514
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Speaker 2: and Tucker, and I'm not sure I would keep any

515
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Speaker 2: of the other ones in this format.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm probably with you there in the chat

517
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Speaker 1: Fenway Cheap Seeds saying, gonna be harp me to trust

518
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Speaker 1: any astros given the way they have mishandled injuries. Is

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Speaker 1: that going to factor into your evaluations at all this year?

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Speaker 2: Uh? What's the quote?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: If I had a nickel for every time the astros

523
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Speaker 2: mishandled a superstar injury, I would have two nickels, which

524
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Speaker 2: isn't that much. But it's weird. It's happened twice, Like

525
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it happening twice should be enough

526
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Speaker 2: to like just ding the whole team. Yeah, but it

527
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Speaker 2: is alarming that it happened to their best player two

528
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Speaker 2: summers in a row. And it was like the exact

529
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Speaker 2: same situation where like, it's fine, he's gonna miss a

530
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Speaker 2: couple of days, but it's totally fine, it's just a bruise,

531
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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh no, he fractured a bone. I'm

532
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Speaker 2: not gonna hold that against the team moving forward, but

533
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Speaker 2: I totally understand if someone else will.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still not one hundred percent sure what to

535
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Speaker 1: make of it. I think at the end of the day,

536
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Speaker 1: it's not anything I really want to carry forward, but

537
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Speaker 1: it'll be in the back of my head. It's there.

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Speaker 1: If I see yourd on Jeremy Pania, it's like, yeah,

539
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna click draft.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not, No, I can't. Yeah, Okay, it's like it's.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a reasonable tiebreaker. It's just I would

543
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: guess Jordon's going to get dinged enough that it won't

544
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Speaker 2: be a tiebreaker anymore.

545
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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I feel like if he drops in drafts,

546
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Speaker 1: fine by me. I'll take a look. I'm not setting

547
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Speaker 1: the minimum pick on him. I'm not fitting up in

548
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: the auction for him. Somebody else can do that. If

549
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: he falls, then that's totally fine by me. Should I

550
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Speaker 1: start Horton and Yuri versus the Mets and Kirby versus

551
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers this week? I don't know about Kirby versus

552
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. Horton is on a Jeremy Lynn run, right,

553
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: now that is just unbelievable. It's like four earned runs

554
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Speaker 1: and ten starts or something. I feel like I'm starting him.

555
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: Uri is a bit of a dicey one. I think

556
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Speaker 1: that's where there's a conversation. But I feel like Horton,

557
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Speaker 1: you gotta throw him in there.

558
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Speaker 2: I always struggle with like the hot hand discussions because

559
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: I tend to just think you should bet on players

560
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Speaker 2: pitching to their talent level, right, and the last ten

561
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Speaker 2: starts might represent a shift in talent level. It's usually

562
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Speaker 2: just a good ten starts, right guys. Usually water usually

563
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Speaker 2: finds its level. But with Horton, we don't know what

564
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Speaker 2: the true talent level is. We can look at the

565
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Speaker 2: er estimators and they suggest he's been arguably the luckiest

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Speaker 2: pitcher in baseball this season. That'll happen when you have

567
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Speaker 2: a you know, a sub one ERA for a ten

568
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Speaker 2: start stretch. Obviously that's luck to a certain extent. I

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Speaker 2: think he's good. I think you do have to start him, Yuri.

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Speaker 2: I love for twenty twenty six. I'm taking Ury Perez

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Speaker 2: over Kate Horton. The last time he faced the Mets,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he got out of the first inning.

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Speaker 2: He's just been a little iffy enough. He's been searching

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Speaker 2: for the right combination of breaking balls. He's been featuring

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Speaker 2: the sweeper more lately. I think that's a good idea,

576
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Speaker 2: But I think he's okay to sit against the Mets

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Speaker 2: and then Kirby. He he has had good starts, including

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Speaker 2: his most recent one. He has had good stretches this season.

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Speaker 2: I still don't think he's been right, and the evidence

580
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: for that, for me, it's just his arm slot has dropped.

581
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: I think he was like thirty seven degrees last year.

582
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: Now it's down to like twenty nine, and that has

583
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: completely messed up his splitter. He's basically not throwing the

584
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: splitter anymore. I'm gonna guess this offseason that's going to

585
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: be the focus is finding that off speed pitch because

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Speaker 2: he basically just hasn't had the splitter or the changeup,

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00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: which he's worked in occasionally. Neither has been very good

588
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: when he's thrown them. I would guess it's either going

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Speaker 2: to be working get that arm slot back up so

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Speaker 2: he can get the angle on the splitter right, or

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00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: just finding the right pitch to work from his new

592
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Speaker 2: arm slot. The Mariners are very good at that I

593
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Speaker 2: have faith that they'll figure it out. But versus the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers this week, I think that's pretty iffy. I would

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Speaker 2: I would lean towards avoiding Kirby in this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if it's a head to head matchup,

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Speaker 1: the kind of cop out answer for me would be

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Speaker 1: see what's going on. By the time Friday rolls around,

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Speaker 1: you might be in a situation where your ERA is

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Speaker 1: seven forty two and your WHIP is one seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: You might as well at that point, but you also

602
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Speaker 1: might be hugging a one forty two ERA and a

603
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Speaker 1: point seven to two whip, and at that point you

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Speaker 1: may not want to take the chance on George Kirby.

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Speaker 2: against a matchup like the Nationals. I know it's been

643
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: a little up and down lately, but that splitters awesome.

644
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: The expanded arsenal has really helped him throw strikes more consistently.

645
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: I like a lot of what we've seen from Waldrip,

646
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: and the matchup against the Nationals is very nice, so

647
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: you take advantage of that one. The rest of them,

648
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: I leaned towards. No Peterson I think has really run

649
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: out of steam, and that was one that as it

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: was happening, you know, he had about a full year

651
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: between like last June and July of this year, where

652
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: he had a sub three ear, the peripherals didn't really

653
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: back it up. The whip was still bad. I think

654
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: it's all caught up to him. It wouldn't surprise me

655
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: if David Peterson had a good start, but I would

656
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: probably avoid him. So I guess Weathers would be my

657
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: second favorite of this group, but I don't fully trust

658
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: that one either. You know, Philly not a terrible matchup,

659
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: but not a great one either. I don't think Weathers

660
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: is fully stretched out, so Waldrip is clearly the top option.

661
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: I will say Monday does have Justin Verlander, who, at

662
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: least on CBS is in the streaming range. I think

663
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: he's like sixty percent rostered there and he is a

664
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: two star pitcher. This week he gets the Cardinals, and

665
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: then I think think it's the Rockies in San Francisco

666
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: for the second one. So Justin Verlander, if he's available

667
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: in your league, is in line to pitch well this week.

668
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to guarantee that he will because I

669
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: don't fully buy him, but uh, the matchups are certainly there.

670
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: For I mentioned this on a show last week that

671
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: somebody like maybe a month ago, said to me, like,

672
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: justin Verlander, VI will pick up and I literally answered

673
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: with come on, It's like I was just at that

674
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: point things were looking so grim. The last five starts

675
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: for Verlander, He's throng thirty one innings, zero point eight

676
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: to seventy. Ra's allowed three earned runs over thirty one innings,

677
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight strikeouts, twelve walks. Is maybe a shade high,

678
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: But who cares three earned runs and thirty one innings

679
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: with a couple of wins for Verlander? Is this kind

680
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: of like a bit of a dead cat bounced type

681
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: of deal where it's like a last little run for

682
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Verlander of productivity before he's toasted. Or could he maybe

683
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: still be a viable pitcher even in the next because

684
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: he said he wants to pitch again next year, the

685
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: stuff still grades out well? Like are we are we

686
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: going to be investing in Verlander at age forty three

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: next year?

688
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: I think returning to San Francisco would be a very

689
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: smart move for him, because I think that's certainly helped

690
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: because what he is now is basically an average strikeout

691
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: guy who does have to rely on balls and play.

692
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: But that is the one thing late in his career

693
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: that has stayed pretty intact for justin Verlanders. The ability

694
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: to limit damage on contact, and then playing in San Francisco,

695
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: one of the toughest pitch hitting parks in baseball, I

696
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: think certainly helps him in that regard as well. So

697
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: I would hope if he does come back, San Francisco

698
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: will be the spot, because I think that's the best

699
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: spot for him to remain viable. But looking ahead to

700
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, I think maybe a late round flyer,

701
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: but you probably can find someone a little more interesting.

702
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: But in a week when he gets the Cardinals, who

703
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: have been the worst offense in the second half, and

704
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: gets the Rockies on the road, who are just absolute disaster,

705
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: you'll take that streamer for sure.

706
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: It's been fun to see. It reminds me of old Verlander,

707
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: not that he is necessarily old Verlander. Like you said,

708
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: he's pitching a lot differently than he used to. He's

709
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: a twenty percent strikeout rate. But it's been a lot

710
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: of fun over the last few weeks. My apology, So

711
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: the guy I told not to pick him up, I

712
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: was ted wrong there. I could not have seen this

713
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: one coming but Justin Verlander has been looking fantastic. Just

714
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: a couple of streamers on Wednesday I think are probably

715
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: worth it. Stephen Kolok versus the Angels, He's been fantastic

716
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: really for the last six weeks or so. Jonahtong against

717
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: the Cubs might be a little scary on the surface

718
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: with what the era looks like after that blow up

719
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: against Texas, but bounce back in his last start. He

720
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: gets the Cubs who have not been firing on all cylinders.

721
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like Jonah Tong is also a pretty sneaky

722
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: streamer if people are just looking at surface stats, I

723
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: feel like he's a decent option this week.

724
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, the Cubs have been weirdly not a very

725
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: good offense in the second half of the season. They're

726
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: twenty first in wOBA since the All Star break. I

727
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: think he's fine. I've been certainly disappointed by Jonah Toong's

728
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: performance in the majors. I think part of it is

729
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 2: probably that delivery is going to be I think a

730
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: high variance thing for him, where if he's not quite on,

731
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really tough. The the fastball hasn't missed

732
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: as many bats as I would have expected given the

733
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: the arm angle and the funkiness of it. But I

734
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: still have a lot of faith in him long term,

735
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's a bad idea to bet

736
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: on the talent there. He's certainly, you know, you're comparing

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: him to Stephen Collach, while I certainly think Jonah Tong

738
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: is a more talented pitcher.

739
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: Yes, so.

740
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, better matchup for Colic. The Angels have been

741
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: it seems like everybody's got nine strikeouts against the Angels

742
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks, and it's been weird,

743
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Like it's just everybody's just throwing their four seamer and

744
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: the Angels just can't hit it. They have the highest

745
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: whiff rate in Baseball on four seamers in the month

746
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: of September. It's like something like a thirty one percent mark,

747
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: which would be a crazy mark for that. That's like

748
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: Luis Castillo at his best used to run thirty percent

749
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: with rates on his four seamer and he was like

750
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: the only starter. And now everyone's doing that against the Angels.

751
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: So it's not a bad spot to be streaming against,

752
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: for sure.

753
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I just don't understand what's going on in the chat

754
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: here with all this talked about Blue Sky. It's another

755
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: social media platform. Guys. It's really not a big deal.

756
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I promise you. I promise you, it's not a deal.

757
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: It's just uh, it's just narcissists yelling at each other

758
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: on one website versus another. You know, that's all. That's

759
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: all it is.

760
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: That's that's all it is. It's just different crowd. If

761
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: you don't like it, change the channel. Let's take a

762
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: couple of questions before I send you guys on your

763
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: way here. I don't want to keep Chris all day.

764
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Although I could talk to him all day, I don't

765
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: want to make this a two hour podcast. So there's

766
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: any questions we don't get to, please reach out in

767
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: the DMS. I know this is crunch time. I'd be

768
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: more than happy to answer them. Well, you're saying as

769
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: you may or may not have JOYPMP. No, no, no, he's

770
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: a p will be here on Friday unless he changes

771
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: his mind or something. Piece of PA will be here.

772
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll try and make sure of it myself. Is having

773
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: pictures that pitching? Since he almost as bad as Course Field, Yes,

774
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: it's just about equally as bad. Not in terms of

775
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: like the park factors vary a little bit, but they

776
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: are probably the two worst parks you can throw your

777
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: pictures out maybe with one way in there as Sacramento,

778
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Zach Oh, Facramento I forgot about Sacramento.

779
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: Sacramento is not far from Course Field. It's that that

780
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: park has been crazy. That's that's one that you know,

781
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: we don't have the you typically want to look at,

782
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 2: you know, three year rolling averages for park factors because

783
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of noise. But that really looks like it's,

784
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: you know, even more so than Cincinnati, one of the

785
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: one of the worst parks in baseball for pitchers. That's

786
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: one that you've got to be really really good for

787
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: me to trust you, especially in a day game when

788
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: it's hot. The ball is just caring like crazy there.

789
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I turn off the rolling factors, where does

790
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: it come in the second? Is it second? Yeah? Okay,

791
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: my things taken a while to load. That is wild. Yeah,

792
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: I think honestly, and even Tampa Tampa as well, there's

793
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: another park where you got to be very careful. Now,

794
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: these won't be forever, Like I think Tampa's going back

795
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: to the trop next year. Sacramento Sacramento probably has at

796
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: least one more year.

797
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: It's at least two. Yeah, they barely start a construction there.

798
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

799
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, still not sure they're ever gonna move.

800
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm still sad they're not in

801
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: Oakland anymore. And I've refer to them on this show

802
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: and others this year as the Oakland Athletics I think

803
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: probably twelve or fifteen times at least. Interesting question here,

804
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: first of all, Mats has a pleasure to see Towers

805
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: in the daytime. Absolutely. Is Garret Cole worth a keeper

806
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: in Round twenty for next year? I haven't seen an

807
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: update on Garrett Cole in forever. I don't know, honestly.

808
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, probably in the twentieth round, Like,

809
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: what the hell else are you finding in the twentieth round?

810
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: You know you're cutting a lot of those guys. Anyway,

811
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: the upside of Garrett Cole is probably worth it. But

812
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen anything about his recovery.

813
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Chris, I have not seen. He had the surgery in March,

814
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: and so you assume I would guess we're gonna see

815
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: him on the mound in spring training, but probably not

816
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: cleared to return to the majors until I would guess

817
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: it'll be like, may you know, when you're talking about veterans,

818
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: I think you can shorten the timeline a little bit.

819
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: If it's some twenty two year old, I think you

820
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: look at fifteen months, But a veteran like Garrett Cole,

821
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: fourteen months should probably be the average, and you would

822
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: guess some guys come in under that average. So I

823
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: think we'll see him by June at the worst. As

824
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: we've seen with Sandy al Contra and Spencer Strider and

825
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: a couple other guys this season, you can't just expect

826
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: everyone who comes back from Tommy John surgery to look

827
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: like themselves immediately. There will be an adjustment period. But

828
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: he has started a throwing program. Looks like there was

829
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: an update in August that he's begun throwing, So I

830
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: think a twenty round, even acknowledging maybe he misses a month,

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: maybe he's not Garrett Cole right right away. I think

832
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: even then, twentieth round is probably still worth the flyer there,

833
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: just because you're probably dropping whoever you draft in the

834
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: twentieth round pretty quickly anyway, right, Like those are low

835
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: probability bets anyway.

836
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're taking flyers, right, You're taking flyers, and you know,

837
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: even if Cole looks seventy five percent of what he

838
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: used to look like in the twentieth round, you will

839
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: take that all day, no problem in the twentieth round.

840
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Good question, though, Matt. I think that's interesting because Garret

841
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: Cole as somebody somebody that we haven't really talked about

842
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot this year because there hasn't been any reason

843
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: to talk about Garrett Cole this year. Appreciate all the guests.

844
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Thanks to a Rico, joeyp and the Welsh took him

845
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: the chip for the second year in a row. Congrats Patrick.

846
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: Fantasy baseball is the hardest fantasy sport there is. You know,

847
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: we're predominantly a fantasy football company here at Fantasy Pros,

848
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: but I'll be the baseball guy. I'll say it. Fantasy

849
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: baseball is a lot harder and it's a lot longer.

850
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: So congratulations everybody who was able to take home a

851
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: chip and everybody who will by the end of this week.

852
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: We're here to help you guys out. I think that

853
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: will wrap it up for us because I don't want

854
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: to keep Chris all day here, but really appreciate you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all stuff at cbssports dot com. My primary stuff

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Speaker 2: Frank Stample and I are going to be there, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that. And yeah, just all things CBS Sports,

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Speaker 1: All things fantasy sports, all things fantasy baseball in particular.

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Speaker 1: That is right, that is the king of all fantasy sports.

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Speaker 1: tell them posses. I said that, But guys, that will

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Speaker 1: do it for us for today, for Chris Towers. I

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Speaker 1: am Joel Rico. We'll talk to you next time right

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