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Sign up promo code Colin so they 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: know we and I sent you The Colin Coward Podcast, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: presented by The Fan Duel Sports Book. Anytime things seem 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: sudden and strange, there is usually a coup involved. Bruce Arians, 13 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: who never showed any interest in the front office, although 14 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: he had hinted at retirement, suddenly retires so quickly that 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers had to rush the staff and rush the 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: players together to tell them, meaning it wasn't really planned, 17 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: meaning Brady wanted him out. Listen, Tom retires, then un 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: retires Arians. I'm good here, then suddenly I'm moving upstairs. 19 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles is in it. All is very strange and sudden. 20 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Come on, now, I think most of you understand how 21 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: the game works. This was never culturally new England to 22 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Tampa was always a weird fit. One is academic, cold weather, 23 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Boston politics, sports, a powerbroker's town, one Tampa Ebor City cocktails, early, 24 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: a goofy franchise, one obsessed quarterback, one dysfunctional franchise. Tom 25 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: went there for more control and better weapons. He got 26 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: the weapons, he got the super Bowl. But what Tom 27 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: never truly got, even in his super Bowl winning season, 28 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: was control, and that Arians is a seat of the pants, 29 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: go with your gut coach. When Arians and I like Bruce, 30 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: but when he went to CBS to broadcast, the feeling 31 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: was he wasn't overly prepared, he was funny. People liked him. 32 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: He is as seat of the pants guy and Brady's not. 33 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: This was always a weird cultural fit. It was always 34 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: a weird fit, old school Bruce adapting, evolving, obsessed Tom, 35 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: and it worked the first year. Folks. We saw this 36 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: multiple times. I mean Arians called out Brady. Tom took 37 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: one for the team. You think Tom liked that. Legends 38 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: don't like to be called out. They can laugh, they 39 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: can fall on the sword at the podium, They don't 40 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: like that. So this has always been a very very 41 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: turbulent relationship, and of course it is, of course it is. 42 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: You know, I always think Bruce Arians was a perfect 43 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: fit with big Ben. Big Ben was not obsessed. Big 44 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: Ben was a gun slinger. Big Ben is an over 45 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: the top backyard football quarterback. Arians and big Ben, to me, like, 46 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: that's a perfect relationship. You know what I think Tom's 47 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: perfect relationship is Kyle Shanahan, obsessed, maniacal, considered the great 48 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: scheming coach. Remember, as good as McVeigh is, McVeigh will 49 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: acknowledge privately, Shanahan is the better scheme guy. Sean is 50 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the better culture builder, better in front of the room, 51 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: and he has built that with Rams, so you know, 52 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: fit manners. This is why Aaron Rodgers, for all his talent, 53 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: has one super Bowl. He doesn't always get along with players. 54 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: He has struggled with coaches, he has struggled with executives. 55 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers should have multiple super Bowls. If you looked 56 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: at his talent and Tom, you'd say he's got seven 57 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: super Bowls. The other guy has won. Tom usually is 58 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: a better fit, easier to get along with. Aaron's difficult 59 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and so you know, fit has always been undervalued in sports. 60 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Chemistry has always been undervalued. We talked about this often 61 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: that you know, if it was just about movie stars 62 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: make movies, then why wouldn't Paramount or Sony or Disney 63 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: just go higher? Five movie stars make movies and everybody 64 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: files into the theater. Doesn't work that way. It's plot. 65 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: It's director works very well with casting, director and producer 66 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: and stars and complimentary pieces. So you know, Brady and 67 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: arians was destined to have a great deal of tumult. 68 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: It was destined to be turbulent. They got a Super 69 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Bowl out of it. But all these things happening strangely, 70 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: and so suddenly they tell you Tom wanted two things 71 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: in Tampa. He wanted better weapons and more control, and 72 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: he got one and he didn't get the other. Now, 73 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles as the coach, I'm going to talk about 74 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: that in a couple of minutes with Mike Silver. You know, 75 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: Todd is the kind of coach that will let Brady 76 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: take the offense. That's very much his personality. Todd's a 77 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: great defensive coach. He's not power hungry, you know, he 78 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: is not a formulaic coach where this is the way 79 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: I do it, my way or the highway. It's not 80 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: really Todd Bulls personality. He'll let Tom run the offense, 81 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: He'll run the defense. It will you know Bulls when 82 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: he was with the Jets, you know, he wasn't much 83 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: at the podium. He's not much of a personality. He 84 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: is not a self promoter. He's just a really driven, humble, grateful, 85 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: gracious guy who coaches the hell out of defense. You know. 86 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: Is he a great coach, He's a great coordinator. But 87 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: I think he and Brady will align better than Bruce 88 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: and Brady. And I mean Tom is obsessed. I still 89 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: contend that. And we've had multiple reports to confirm this, 90 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: including Tom Brady's dad. What did Tom Brady's dad say 91 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: two three weeks ago Tom didn't want to retire. There 92 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: were external forces. Was one of the external forces the 93 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: power grab? I mean, Tom Brady's dad said there were 94 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: there were other things going on. He didn't name names. 95 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: So you know, Tom Brady's dad has to a fault, 96 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: not for me, but for Tom to a fault. Been honest, 97 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: he came out. Tom doesn't want to retire. So this 98 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: is um It may be sudden and strange, but it's 99 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: fairly predictable. And I mean Brady is too detailed and 100 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: too planned to suddenly retire and unretire. That is the 101 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: most Unbrady move ever. That is just that's just not 102 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: what he does. I mean Aaron Rodgers and drama. Yeah, 103 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of predictable. Brady not having everything thought out, 104 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: that's just not that's so off brand. So listen, I 105 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: think Bowls and Brady will be a better fit. Tom 106 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: runs the offense, I'll have say in personnel when he 107 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: can absolute control of the game plans, which you were 108 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: you watched Tom versus time he wanted more control of 109 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: the game plans. That's well documented. Now he's going to 110 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: have it. So you know a lot of times you 111 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: go for a job and there's two or three things 112 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: that you want, and you get one or two of 113 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: them early, and then you have success, and then you 114 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: get that one you didn't get the first year in 115 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: your second or third year. And so once Brady won 116 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the owners probably went all right, let's 117 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: let's weigh the options here. Greatest football quarterback ever, good coach, 118 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: good guy. We still owe the money on the salary. 119 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: We'll just move him upstairs. But that's what this is. 120 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Now you're probably gonna have agents, and you're gonna have 121 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: people come out and say, oh, this is really their 122 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: best of friends. Oh stop, we're not idiots here. Sports fans, 123 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: you follow it, I fallow, this is incredibly easy to 124 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: spot what happened here. It's not like Bruce and Tom 125 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: can't walk down the hallway. Arians is still getting his money. 126 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: They're still going to be in the same building. They're adults, 127 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: still get along. Fine. This is better for the franchise, 128 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: it's better for Tom. You know, Bruce Arians has had 129 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: a heck of an NFL career. Now he's just gonna 130 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: have a different office, probably on the second floor. Let's 131 00:08:50,080 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: bring in Mike Silver, longtime NFL rider, Mike Silver, Holy Schnikes. 132 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: So listen, Mike. This is not a difficult one to read. 133 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: The tea leaves like, these personalities were always different, I 134 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: said when Tom went to Tampa. The cultures are different. 135 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: One Boston sports politics obsessed, prep schools, intense, academic, lousy weather, workaholics, 136 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: the great history the other Ibor City baby cocktails early. 137 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: You know, so I always thought, and I said this, 138 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: I said, Tom Will it's the football is not the problem. 139 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: It's the cultural gap that he's gonna have to get 140 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: used to. Like he's gonna have to train this team 141 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: to be obsessed. Remember the helicopter pictures at the high school. 142 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, he's getting there. He's getting there. But 143 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: this feels like and probably the term sounds too intense, 144 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of a power grab, older coach obsessed 145 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: quarterback Tom went to Tampa for two things, weapons and control. 146 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: He got one right out of the shoe. He didn't 147 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: get the other, and he wanted it. Is that fair? Well, Okay, listen, 148 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: first of all, let's let's assess. Let's step back. They 149 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: had two pretty good years together, right, They won a 150 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, went to Lambo, albeit fan less Lambeau, but 151 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: one in the cold at Lambeau, and then killed the Chiefs. 152 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: And then this year one of my favorite Brady games ever, 153 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: if not my favorite, And I wrote about this when 154 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: he retired for a while. But you know, he's down 155 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: twenty seventy three, and we all know about twenty eight 156 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: three and all the crazy things that had to happen there, 157 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: but this was to be equally epic. And yeah, there 158 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: was a coverage breakdown at the end that Cooper cut 159 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: made a play and the Rams did win that game, 160 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: but you know, what he did in that last game 161 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: was incredibly hard and maybe if they get that to 162 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: overtime and win, you know, who knows what would happen. 163 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: So two great years, and look, I don't want people 164 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: to oversimplify and go on Tom Brady and Bruce Arians. 165 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: I mean, was it a perfect match. Of course not, 166 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: but way better match than Tom Brady and Bill Belichick 167 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: personality wise, and that one lasted what twenty years, and 168 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: obviously they did incredible things together. So I think if 169 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: you gave trom Brady truth sarahm had said, would you 170 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: rather play another year with Bill Belichick or Bruce Arians, 171 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: he would laugh and be like, please be a it's great, 172 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think it's I think more just 173 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, the control thing, I don't think was an 174 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: issue in terms of the offense. I think based on 175 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: what Bruce Arians told me that first year, he told Tom, 176 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: let's run what you want, let's put your stuff in 177 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: and he kind of stepped back a lot, and they 178 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: ran Brady's offense for better or worse, and obviously for 179 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: better in terms of the results. I just wonder, you know, 180 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: if I think, you know, you could look to the 181 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown thing. For example, right, Bruce Arias had had 182 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: it with Antonio Brown in that moment, and maybe a 183 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: younger coach who is less by way or the highway 184 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: would have massaged that. I actually don't know. 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It's like 230 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: certain presidents. I remember when Obama was president, They're like 231 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: he was a Rita Hollick. George Bush was seat of 232 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: the pants. And that's their style. And I'm not here 233 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: to judge. But Bruce, even when Bruce took the CBS job, 234 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I know people in television, he's kind of a let 235 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: it rip guy, whereas you know other guys. Collinsworth is 236 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: more of a study film all week and come in 237 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: and that's okay, but I do think it can cause 238 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: sometimes if not riffs, if not resentment, it's different. Tom 239 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: kind of wants you to care as much as him. 240 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Bruce cares, but his dad, Tom's dad has often, in 241 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Tom's view, inappropriately said things, and Tom's like, dad stopped talking. 242 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: He came out three weeks ago and said, yeah, he 243 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't want to retire. There. You know, there's 244 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: other factors here. Well, is maybe this one of the factors. 245 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce Arians never wanted to work in the 246 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: front office, did he. That's not Bruce. I mean he 247 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: tried TV. I don't think he loved it. I know 248 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: for a fact he did love it. They you know, 249 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: his crew, his group loved him that. You know, they 250 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: had great you know, nights before the game and you 251 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: know that was a blast. But yeah, let's step back 252 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: for a second and just look at an organizationally. So 253 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: if you believe that the Bucks forced him out, which 254 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't, but if you do believe that, if you're like, 255 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: hey man, Tom Brady was gonna walk away and they 256 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: chose him over Bruce Arians, Okay, let's compare that to 257 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Seattle and in Tampa, you have a quarterback who is 258 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: the most accomplished ever, but he's a thousand years old, 259 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: he's forty five. No one has ever done this at 260 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: this level. It could all drop off tomorrow once you 261 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: start talking about retirement. It's in your head. Physically, it 262 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: could go wrong immediately. You know, Peyton was a steep cleft, 263 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, let alone the injury. You know, a lot 264 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of things could end. So it wouldn't be a smart 265 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: organizational choice if you love Bruce Arius to say I'll 266 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: do anything for the forty five year old quarterback, albeit 267 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the most accomplished of all time. Now let's compare that 268 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: to Seattle where Jody Allen, who we never hear from 269 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: her because she's a zillionaire and apparently doesn't think the 270 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: fans deserve to ever hear from the acting owner or 271 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, head of the estate or whatever you want 272 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: to call her, which I think is gutless, but be 273 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: that as it may. Jody Allen essentially said, Okay, I've 274 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: got a thirty three year old quarterback who wants to 275 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: play till he's forty five or fifty. Russell Wilson, who 276 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: doesn't think it's going great with my seventy year old coach. 277 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: I'll be at a very accomplished one. You know what, 278 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: I'm choosing the seventy year old coach over the thirty 279 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: three year old quarterbacks. So if Jody Allen would actually 280 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: give an interview, I would ask her, YO, like, is 281 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: that really what you did? You really? You know, respectfully, 282 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: because I love Pete, but you chose a quarterback with 283 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: lots of time left you can't really replicate. You chose 284 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: to get rid of him and keep a coach who 285 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: probably won't coach that much longer. Conversely, I don't think 286 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: the Bucks actually did this, But if the Bucks did 287 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: choose between Brady and Arias, they chose a quarterback who's 288 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: maybe gonna be done in ten seconds over an older coach. Well, 289 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you know. I think Tom has always 290 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: been privately intense, but I don't think he's a line 291 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: in the sand guy. My takeaway is Tom got very 292 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: frustrated multiple times in the last six or seven weeks. 293 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: He dropped these hints, you know you've already got a 294 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: focus here, we're not focused. And I think what happens 295 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: is it's almost like Mike if you date somebody. So 296 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: let's just say Tom Bruce. They date first year, Oh, 297 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: it's intense. It's intense. Wow, we got a relationship. But 298 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: they're different people. And then by year two, the little 299 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: cute annoying problems are now just annoying and not cute. 300 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: And now the Rams beat you, and you think in 301 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: our place. And it wasn't that they lost to the 302 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: Rams twice. They didn't look prepared, went to La not 303 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: competitive first half at home not competitive, by the way, 304 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: By the way, Jared Goff and the Rams rolled them 305 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: two years ago for one it's worth so yeah, three times, 306 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: young boy, genius, old seat of the pants guy. And 307 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: I think the way they lost at home is come on, man, 308 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: we're not ready to play. That was Tom's complaint about 309 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: week thirteen on We're not committed, we're not focused. I 310 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: think we would both acknowledge Arians and Brady are different dudes. Okay, whatever, 311 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: But I do think stuff that you in life with 312 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: success think is annoying but cute, that stuff wears on 313 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: you when you lose. I could accept all of this 314 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: if he hadn't put up with something I know that 315 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: bothered him more for twenty years, and maybe all twenty 316 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: years were constant bothered. But the less five years of 317 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: Brady of Belichick were a lot from the Malcolm Butler 318 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: sudden benching and the be free you know posts, And 319 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's I just I know how unaligned they were, 320 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: and I know how bothersome Belichick could be. And people 321 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: rightfully put up with a lot of it because he's 322 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: unbelievable and his teams are prepared. And I see what 323 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: you're saying. That's a light of the said. I just 324 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: want to one little note. Lack of perceived lack of 325 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: preparedness of game. Late season games in Florida certainly tilted 326 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: the NFL landscape if you count the Colts Jaguars game 327 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and Carson Woods and Jim Ursay's reaction to that. Well, 328 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: let's go back to this in New England. Tom was bothered, 329 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: but he couldn't get out right. Okay, there's a lot 330 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: of things I'm bothered with, but if I have a 331 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: five year contract, there's nothing I can do. Tom and 332 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: Tampa now can get out right and did I'm out? 333 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: Then he circles back, almost a warning shot. The Tampa 334 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: guys all hang it up, and you don't have a quarterback, 335 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: you don't have anything. And then I think I don't 336 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: think it's ugly. I think Jason and Tom talk privately 337 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: multiple times. Tom's like, listen, we won I want to 338 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: come back. But I just I want what I want, 339 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think it was ugly. I don't think 340 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: they're going to pass each other in the hall. But 341 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: I always have this kind of feeling if shit looks weird, 342 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: it is weird. Okay, Tom is the most detailed player 343 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: in our lives suddenly retires and under retires. It's like, well, 344 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: that's the elite. That is the least planned thing ever 345 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: and in arians he might although he might be second 346 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: to Peyton and most to Takai Paidon, but that move 347 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: was way off brand. Something wasn't right here. We can 348 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: acknowledge that. Well, I agree with you that when stuff 349 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: looks weird, it usually is. I just I do know 350 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: from having been around this game for so long that 351 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: there are very human emotions at play, and sometimes things 352 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: surprise us, like Aaron Donald talking to Rodney Harrison about 353 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: maybe stepping away the day before the Super Bowl, or 354 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck actually stepping away, or Ali Moore pet you know, 355 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: Brady's teammate really did step away. So it's a it's 356 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: a very physically grinding grind of a game. It's a 357 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: physical grind of a game, it's an emotional grind. And 358 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: I just know, even journalistically, like, there wasn't a season 359 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: that has ended where it's so intense, where there's not 360 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: a thought like can I do this anymore? You know, 361 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: like you, everyone thinks about it. Everyone leeds to get 362 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: away and take a break, And so I do think, 363 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: especially someone of Brady's age and a quarterback. I remember 364 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: Kurt Warner telling me what he stepped away. He said, 365 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't that I didn't think I could physically do it. 366 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: It wasn't that I don't think I'm good enough to 367 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: be at that level. It's that the way things are 368 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: set up here Arizona. By the way later Brusarians came in, 369 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: but the way things are set up here, I have 370 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: such a level of responsibility as the franchise quarterback on 371 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: and off the field to make it work every single week, 372 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: every single game, that that's too much for me to 373 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: do again, and I'm paraphrasing, but it was the specter 374 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: of being that guy and in his view, holding that 375 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: organization together. And so that's similar to what Brady does 376 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: all the time, right, He's he's got He's in control 377 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: of all of it. And so I do think it's 378 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: possible that there are human emotions. Where Tom Brady was 379 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: is like, man, I just don't know, and then he 380 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: changed his mind. And then Bruce Arians, possibly who was 381 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: an intuitive guy and probably understands a lot of that dynamic, 382 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: said you know what, man, we won a super Bowl. 383 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: We had a second year when we made a run. 384 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm older. I do care about not only succession plans, 385 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: but the minority coaching issue, and that's something that is 386 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: really important to him. And yeah, maybe maybe it's going 387 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: to be best organizationally if I could just hand it 388 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: to Todd and let Tom go out with him. And 389 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: I do think those things are possible to you know, 390 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: Todd was interesting in New York because he's not a 391 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: self promoter and I don't know if he's a great 392 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: head coach. He is a great coordinator and like Brady, 393 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: highly aggressive, like he's aggressive, like he wants an attacking defense, 394 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: and Brady is his brand. Everything's aggressive. So that's one 395 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: thing with Arians and Brady that always felt right, Like 396 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: Bruce is an attacker, Brady's an attacker. Girls is an attacker. 397 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: So you know, it's one of these things where Dungee 398 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: didn't have a big self promoting persona. He let he 399 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: wasn't a control freak. Dungee's not a control freak. He 400 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: let Peyton have the offense. My first thought was, this 401 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: is gonna be a Dungee Peyton manning. Is that Todd 402 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: doesn't care about control. Todd wants to win games. Is 403 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: that he and Brady even though I like offensive coaches 404 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two over defensive coaches, it's a It's 405 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: got a Dungee Peyton feel to it where I'll take 406 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: this side. I respect you will meet on Wednesday to 407 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: discuss the game plan, but I think it could work 408 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: because Todd, he Todd is just into what Todd's into 409 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: that year. Takeaway, Well, first of all, I'm excited for 410 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Todd because let's juck to pose his two opportunities and 411 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: I covered him as a player. He's a very smart guy, 412 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: great temperament, but opportunity one. Hey, you're coming to New York. 413 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: Your quarterback just got punched in the nose and is out. 414 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Geno Smith literally in touch first year got punched in 415 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: the nose by a teammate and was out. So that's 416 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: what you're walking into there. We certainly know there were 417 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: other things going on organizationally, and you know, they actually 418 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: did really well that first year with Ryan Fitzpatrick and 419 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: probably gave some false hope and probably tried to prop 420 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: it up a little bit. But wow, you walk into 421 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: It's New York. Your quarterback got punched in the nose, 422 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: and now you have to figure it out. And now 423 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: you're walking into Tom Brady's gonna you know, he and 424 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Byron they will. They got the offense handled, and all 425 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: you gotta do is, you know, be that overarching head 426 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: coach leader type and by the way, keep doing what 427 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: you're doing on defense. So it's a great opportunity for 428 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: Todd if if Brady could stay healthy and stay at 429 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: his level, which is always a caveat for me at 430 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: forty five and counting, But it's exciting for Todd Bulls. 431 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: You know, you wonder with Brady, you know, I know 432 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: he has so much respect for Byron, and it looked 433 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: like Byron was going to leave, you know, for a 434 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: while to get that Jacksonville job, and you wonder if 435 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Byron had left, what would they be doing and you know, 436 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: then you think of a guy like Bill O'Brien who's 437 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: sitting there in Alabama, who Brady has such a great 438 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: relationship with and think so highly of. And I know 439 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Jason Light and Bill O'Brien go way way back. So 440 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: then you wonder if you could do it according to 441 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: Brady's perfect specifications, would you somehow try to get Bill 442 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: O'Brien over there to be part of what they're doing 443 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: on offense. One other thing, I want to address the 444 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: Garoppolo situation. Not much of a market. I said when 445 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: I heard about the surgery. As a GM, I could 446 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: not bring him in injury history, can't throw a football 447 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: for four months, I couldn't as a general manager in 448 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: good faith. If you're not going to be at OTAs 449 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: or camp on in my system, it's just not going 450 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: to work. And I think Carolina thinks, listen, Rapan Darnold eighteen, 451 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: this is too choppy. Let's just I think Carolina, by 452 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the way, is going to draft Willis. Yeah, I think 453 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I agree. I think they're going to draft someone. I 454 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: think Willis is most likely. And contrary to the perception 455 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: that he can't play right away, there is a sense 456 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: that in that building that with his athleticism and ability 457 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: to throw that you can kind of fake it until 458 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: you make it. And so I agree with all that. Yeah, 459 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: for the record, Josh Allen Lamar, I remember them coming out, 460 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: they're not ready, the element of surprise, never forget, never 461 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: forget the wildcat snapping to a running back work for 462 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, I mean Josh Ellen and Lamar, like seriously, 463 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: like one guy, You're like, he's the fastest, most elusive guy, 464 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: like you know, other than Michael Vick, like ever back there. 465 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: It's insane. How do we stop him? And then the 466 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: other guy it's like he's really fast and you know, 467 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: runs really well. And by the way, he's a monster 468 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and would be like if you know he's he's fast, 469 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, but running running all the time. It was 470 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: it was crazy. Yeah, So I mean I do think 471 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: Malik Willis um. I just think you've got to just 472 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: look at athletes. Are they special? Looking draft them. You'll 473 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: figure it out later. Just just draft Spat he came atcat. 474 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: Just get him in the building. We'll figure out. We'll 475 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: make it work. It's the old guys who you know 476 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: you can't project his position. Where are you gonna put 477 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: him on the field, like he's gonna be one of 478 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: one of my eleven on offense or defense. We will, 479 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: you know. It's like, that's my favorite is maca Fitzpatrick 480 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: where the Dolphins were just like, we just don't know 481 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: what position he is, and then the Steelers were like, cool, 482 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: we'll trade a one for him. Oh hey, look his 483 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: position is. He's in our secondary and he's scoring a 484 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: touchdown like every five minutes. I think I think there's 485 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: a Mike Towns like, there's a probably a place for 486 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: him in our eleven. Well that was always the honey 487 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: badger thing. Not fast enough for corner. Yeah, he was 488 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: just always around the ball. Just get him on the field, 489 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: you'll be better. Yeah, So I want to The second 490 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: thing I want to talk about is the Jimmy Garoppolo situation. 491 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't think there's much of a market. I made 492 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: this argument, I'd rather have the twenty seven million dollars 493 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: now than a third round pick later. And I want 494 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I want Trey Lance to get every snap, every single snap. 495 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm interested. Do you think the Niners are being a 496 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: little stubborn because Mike it was a second round pick. 497 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: He won thirty three games, like you got value out 498 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: of him. Here's here's the argument against and and it's 499 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: a gamble, why do you keep him? Here's why a 500 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: U something could happen to Trey Lance and not just 501 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: an injury. They don't know for sure, right, Like Trey 502 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Lance could go out there and all of a sudden, 503 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: look like Ryan Leaf. I don't think that's going to happen. 504 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: But you know, if he does, they've got a team 505 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: still built to win, now, paid to win. Now, Now 506 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: what do you do? Nate Sudfeld? You know I don't 507 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: like it. And then the second scenario is, but it's 508 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: the Sam Bradford situation. When Teddy Bridgewater had the horrible 509 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: injury right before the start of the season in Minnesota, 510 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what do we do? They called the Eagles, 511 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: They traded a one for Sam Bradford. Carson Wentz became 512 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: the starter. So if that other teams calamitous quarterback injury 513 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: happens at a time when they're desperate and they don't 514 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: really have a backup they think is gonna Kurt Warner 515 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: it back in nineteen ninety nine, then Jimmy has a 516 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of values. So I don't think it's just for 517 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: the compensatory pick. That would be stupid. I'd rather have 518 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: the twenty seven million. I think it's a hedge both 519 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: against Trey somehow not being able to be what they think, 520 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: or another team having a real need. And I do 521 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: think in their mind they're going to still move them. 522 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: They would just rather gamble that there's going to be 523 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: more value later in August or September when he's healthy. 524 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: And maybe it's for a twenty three pick, but oh well. 525 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: You know what's great about this, Mike, is that these 526 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: young gms are all kind of now competing. They're competing 527 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: against each other and less need as well. Watching this 528 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: guy and that guy's watching this guy, and Talesco's watching 529 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: that guy, and it's a little bit it's like SEC football. 530 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: It's a feeding frenzy. Oh well, and Kyle, yeah, Kyle 531 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: Shan hadn't told me. Last summer. He said, I made 532 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: the trade up which became Trey Lands because I've been 533 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: watching the Seahawks go get Jamal Adams, and I've been 534 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: watching the Rams go get Jayla Ramsey and everybody and 535 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: Stafford and He's like, I'm sick. You know, it's the 536 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: NC West like, dude, I'm I gotta make my move. 537 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, you're right. And the other thing that's 538 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: happened is that you know, GM's used to have more 539 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: time and coaches, right, So GM's are getting fired now 540 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: after the first coaching hires, sometimes after a couple of years. 541 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: So do you want to really do the you know, 542 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: wait and build through the draft. You do, but what 543 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: you really need to do is find a way to 544 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: within some games quick. Well we've always thought it was 545 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: a copycat league from on the field, but I do 546 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: think the relinquishing the first round pick to get a 547 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey or a Stafford. You know, sometimes Mike, there 548 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: are cultural changes. I mean, we look at now in baseball, 549 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 1: where people don't care about the strikeout. You look back 550 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: in baseball, it's like the double plays the killer, the 551 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: ground balls the killer, get it near. And now it's 552 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: common sense. You know, we may look I start to 553 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: look at first round picks and I'm like, well, hell, 554 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: if the hit rate sixty percent, the hit rate they 555 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: get Jalen's one hundred percent, it could be just a 556 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: math equation that you know, and if you and if 557 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: you're betting on yourself you're like, our picks gonna be 558 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: late because we're gonna be good, right, you're betting on 559 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: yourself being good. And you know, yeah, I remember so 560 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: in the old days when I first started covering the NFL, 561 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: before the before free agency came in the labor Agreement, 562 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: when there was only basically the only way to sign 563 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: another team's free agent is even before Plan B, which 564 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: started around my time, was if you if a quarterback, 565 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: saying like a star quarterbacks contract expired and you signed 566 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: him as what his contract had inspired, his current team 567 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: had a right to match, and if they didn't match, 568 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: you would have to surrender two first round draft packs. 569 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: And I remember there was a quote from a GM. 570 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: It might have been anonymous, it might it might be 571 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: not attributed again, but some GM said quote, I wouldn't 572 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: trade two number ones for God. Really, I mean because 573 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: I covered God. His name was Joe Montana, and pretty 574 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: pretty sure he was worth two ones. And you're right 575 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: if you look at the hit rate. And so part 576 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: of this is the whole draft over hype and we're 577 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: in it now and it's gonna you know, you think 578 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: everything is so transformative, and then how many times does 579 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: the team win and you're like, wait, who did they 580 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: draft together? Then? Oh? Yeah. I mean sometimes it's amazing, 581 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: like you draft Russell Wilson in the third round and 582 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: it changes your whole franchise. But sometimes you draft you know, 583 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, Vernon Golston or no, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, 584 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: the guy on the Jets, right, yeah, yeah. The Jets 585 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: drafted Vernon Golston really high, and people were like, that's 586 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna be the difference for the Jets. Two things happened. One, 587 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: they went to consecutive conference championship games under Rex Riot. 588 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: Two Vernon Golston had zero to do with it and 589 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: was terrible. So yeah, I'm with you, and it is 590 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: a copycat league. And since I've been espousing the Gopher 591 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: Broke approach, usually in relation to teams like the Packers 592 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: who are who sit on their hands, I'm glad that 593 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: it's working, and I would can see that it doesn't 594 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: always work. Two words dream team for you Eagles fans 595 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: or people who remember, and I was all about dream team. 596 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're gonna they're gonna win at all and 597 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: it was not great, But um, I would rather see 598 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: people have a philosophy and get after it than their 599 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: philosophy be only care about draft picks and development. Yeah, 600 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: and the other thing. You know. I've talked to Kevin 601 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: demof the Rams so oh a lot about this, and 602 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: he's like, if you we believe in our culture and 603 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: our coaches as development people. So they believe that their 604 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: staff will get the most out of their third and 605 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: fourth round picks they're getting as compensatory picks, and so 606 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: that's another part of their equation there. They think they 607 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: can get value later in the draft and not freak 608 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: out about trading ones and twos. Yeah, and as you 609 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: noted earlier, if you really think you're good, a late 610 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: first round pick is sort of no man's land. There's 611 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, you go back in the last 612 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: twenty years, it is a it's like a second round 613 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: NBA pick. You're like, yeah, there's some stars, but there's 614 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: a few Lamar Jackson's. But yeah, call any GM or 615 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: decision maker in the last ten years on draft day 616 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: who has a pick between twenty two and thirty two 617 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: and ask him, hey, what are you guys doing? And 618 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: he will try to trade down before you could get 619 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: the Senates out, He'll be like, hey, you want to 620 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: come up. You know, like, what are you gonna do? 621 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: We want to trade down, dude, Everyone wants to trade 622 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: out of twenty two to thirty, you know. With some exceptions, 623 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: the Packers traded up for Jordan Love too soon. But yeah, 624 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: usually it's people trying to get out, and you know, contractually, 625 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: sometimes it's better to be an early second round pick 626 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: as the player, because then you can get out of 627 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,479 Speaker 1: your crappy, artificially held down, rooky wage scale deal under 628 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: more favorable terms earlier. Yeah, I was told by an 629 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: NFC scouting director several years ago, from the eighteenth or 630 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: nineteenth pick of the first round to the fifth to 631 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: sixth pick of the third round is the same player, right, 632 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: it's the same player. It depends on the draft. But yeah, 633 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: that's often the case. And sometimes drafts are even less 634 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: top heavy. I mean, I can think, and this may 635 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: be one of them, but I could pick of drafts 636 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: where people were like, you know, people picking at eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 637 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: We're desperately trying to get out and get down because 638 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: they didn't think, you know, they thought there were five 639 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: or six guys and that it really leveled off. So 640 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's i agree that I agree that teams 641 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: are being more aggressive for the forty nine ers and Browns. 642 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: That is frustrating because nobody is now jumping to take 643 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: Baker or Jimmy. But I think you know, one injury 644 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: to one really important starter who doesn't have an obvious 645 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: replacement changes that whole equation. Mike Silver, NFL stuff forever 646 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: great seeing anybody, Thanks man the Volume. Make sure to 647 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: check out The Draymond Green Show. I brought Draymond Green 648 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: into the Volume because one of the more entertaining voices 649 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: in sports. 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