WEBVTT - "I HAVE AMNESIA"

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Crash.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your name?

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<v Speaker 1>You're crash?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like crashing a car? Well it was a motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you don't have to tell me what your

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<v Speaker 1>real name is. But is that your real name?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not, but it's what I go by. It's

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<v Speaker 2>my road name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your road name. I feel like Crash is an

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate road name to have, because nobody on the road

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<v Speaker 1>wants to crash.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, that's how I got the road name.

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<v Speaker 1>Lyle Uh, did you crash into something?

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<v Speaker 2>I totld? My brand new motorcycle is a Harley. I

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<v Speaker 2>had it for three days. Man, So sad?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a motorcycle driver?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still drive motorcycles?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been able to get a new one. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you know this. The motorcycles are at

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<v Speaker 2>least like ten dollars and I can't really save that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of money in this economy.

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<v Speaker 1>You there at least at least Okay, what's the most

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money they are?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Crash, while, what's up with you? Is there any

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<v Speaker 1>particular thing that you called in to talk about? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of wanted to rant a little about

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<v Speaker 2>my dissociative amnesia because people don't understand, like in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to just talk to a third party

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't know me.

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<v Speaker 1>What is dissociative amnesia.

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<v Speaker 2>So the best I understand it is like something traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>happens to you and you just end up like dissociating

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<v Speaker 2>through your whole life. So the older you get, the

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<v Speaker 2>less you remember. In my case, I remember like six

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<v Speaker 2>months to a year before today, and I get little

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<v Speaker 2>flashes of my memory here and there, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really remember jack shit. And then like also depersonalization, derealization,

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<v Speaker 2>like imagine feeling like genuinely feeling like you're living in

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<v Speaker 2>a simulation, and any memories you have or like distant dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It says here that you have no memory of your

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<v Speaker 1>life before a year ago. Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll just get like little flashes of memories here

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<v Speaker 2>and there, but like I said, they just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>feel like dreams. They don't feel like my memories. But

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<v Speaker 2>mostly I only remember things from like before a year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, so you only have a year's worth of memory.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much. Yeah, Like I'll give you an example that

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<v Speaker 2>I told Tim, and which shout out to Tim, He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, I looked at a picture that I took

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<v Speaker 2>a polaroid and it had me and like three of

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<v Speaker 2>my friends we were at the fair. Uh. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the front that I supposedly had I don't recognize

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I don't remember going to the fair. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember ever having a polaroid camera at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very weird. It's like I was looking at

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<v Speaker 2>some like like I said, simulation shit, you know mm.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I mean, what about like your relationships, How

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<v Speaker 1>has this affected your relationships? Do you do you have friends?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have family? And if so, do you what

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember about them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I there's a few exes who I don't remember,

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<v Speaker 2>but like my family will ask about them and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really recall. I do have family, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>all my family because I talk to them like all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. To make sure that I can remember, I

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<v Speaker 2>really actively every day have to like do things to

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<v Speaker 2>keep my memory sharp for things that are import in

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<v Speaker 2>as far as my relationship goes, I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend h and he doesn't really get it. He doesn't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I'll dissociate and he'll just be talking to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll notice he's talking, but I'm not like actually

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<v Speaker 2>hearing what he's saying. I'll be like what, and he

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<v Speaker 2>gets mad, But I love him anyway. But yeah, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as that goes, I just my memory, like long

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<v Speaker 2>term is gone, and my short term memory sucks too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I try every day to remember to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>utilize things that I have to remember what I can,

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<v Speaker 2>like calendar events, alarms, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And what aspects of your life in particular do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of are the most affected by this?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh jeez, I don't know. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like the memory aspect that affects me the most,

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<v Speaker 2>but the dissociation, because like I had dissociated my whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>and I continue to dissociate every day. So I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>like be on total autopilot. That's kind of how I

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<v Speaker 2>describe it as just autopilot. I'll be driving. I drive

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<v Speaker 2>for a living, I work for your mamate. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of driving, and I'll just go from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>point A to point B, and that could be like

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<v Speaker 2>a fifteen minute drive and I'll be leaving the store

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, I'll be at the next like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just don't recall any of the drive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that it affects me on a daily basis like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but also you know, feeling like I'm in a simulation

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, I asked you about your relationships, and

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<v Speaker 1>you you told me about you know, your boyfriend. But

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<v Speaker 1>what about your friends? Are they like? Like? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>assume that at the time, I assume that you have

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<v Speaker 1>friends in your life that you have had for perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>over a year. How what have those relationships been like?

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<v Speaker 1>How have they been affected?

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<v Speaker 2>So that is an interesting assumption to say I have friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have one friend that I've had since like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, and because we still talk on a semi

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis, I am able to remember her obviously, But

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<v Speaker 2>as far as things that we did when we first

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<v Speaker 2>became friends or people that we invited into our inner circle,

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<v Speaker 2>none of that really comes to mind at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember much of anything, which really sucks, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of really really great things that we've done

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<v Speaker 2>together that Sh'll described to me, and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>just gone.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're being described memories of yourself by people that

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<v Speaker 1>you're close to, is any part of you almost re

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing them in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Only when I am looking at pictures and videos of

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<v Speaker 2>things that I did, I am able to somewhat relive it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have that to be true. Like I have videos,

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<v Speaker 2>like she was telling me about this cool concert we

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<v Speaker 2>went to, and I have a video of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's only really able to remember any of it when

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the video, And that's only the video part

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<v Speaker 2>that I was able to remember, because it was obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a memory memory. But to me, it doesn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a memory. It feels like I'm just watching it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like a sense of deja vus, Like obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've been there, but I don't remember being there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to know with with you, your personality,

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<v Speaker 1>your hobbies, your interests, the you know, these things that

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<v Speaker 1>take many years to develop. Like do you do you

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself having to recreate yourself in a way?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think so. I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're always changing, you know, we're always changing people,

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<v Speaker 2>so it of course I'm not going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>the same person that I was, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't just contribute that to the aminsia. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do find myself like doing a lot more things that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have normally done. I do find myself acting

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<v Speaker 2>in certain ways that I probably wouldn't otherwise.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because of.

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<v Speaker 1>This, can I hear what those ways that you act

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<v Speaker 1>that you believe you and' otherwise are well?

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<v Speaker 2>I Since the diagnosis, I've tended to try to be

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<v Speaker 2>more optimistic and friendly to people and kind because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of people who approach me quite often.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say quite daily basis, but often like at

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<v Speaker 2>least a few times a week, and I won't recognize them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they'll say, you know, hey, we went to school

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<v Speaker 2>for seven years together and we were in and one

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<v Speaker 2>time we went on a field trip and I won't

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<v Speaker 2>remember them. And then there will be, you know, another

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<v Speaker 2>person who And this is when I first realized that

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<v Speaker 2>I had a problem in my brain. Someone told me, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you were like the biggest like middle school

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<v Speaker 2>bully to me, like you were awful, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're just a yeah apparently, and just telling me how

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<v Speaker 2>much of a piece of shit I was in middle school,

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<v Speaker 2>which kids suck. We're all pieces of shit as kid.

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<v Speaker 2>But since then, I really try to lead with as

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<v Speaker 2>much kindness and respect as I can because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to keep running into those instances where people will

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<v Speaker 2>approach me and be like, hey, you're a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>shit and I won't even know who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that I mean? I mean? Is that true? Is

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<v Speaker 1>is I The phenomenon in general of you being approached

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<v Speaker 1>by people who are from your past that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize but that know you is an interesting one. But

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<v Speaker 1>is it? Is it really true that you're finding a

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<v Speaker 1>majority of those interactions to be negative?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not the majority to be negative by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like one is too many, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? I feel like one person approaching me

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<v Speaker 2>like that is too many. And I've only had two

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<v Speaker 2>people approach me like that, but that's still too many

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<v Speaker 2>to me, And I feel like that means I should

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<v Speaker 2>be changing as a person, and so I try to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lead with kindness nowadays and try to really

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<v Speaker 2>be the best person that I can be, even if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember it in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, do you do you know if this I guess

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<v Speaker 1>year lag of memory? Do you know I assume you've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to you do. You do a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>with like psychologists and doctors about all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, the healthcare where I live is really really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I got this diagnosis, amongst others, from my therapist, my

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<v Speaker 2>real therapist that I used to have, and but she

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<v Speaker 2>can't really like put it on ten and paper. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to see an actual neurologists for this one because

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<v Speaker 2>it's so severe. And when I made the appointment a

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<v Speaker 2>month ago, the neurologist said that the next opening is

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<v Speaker 2>March thirteenth of next year. So in order to get

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<v Speaker 2>any treatment or anything or you know, a pen and

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<v Speaker 2>paper or sorry, like a hard copy of this diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to wait till March.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know it all from anything that anyone has

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<v Speaker 1>told you or from the highly reliable Internet, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not you you believe this will will persist as you continue?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know? Will will? You do you know if

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be able to remember a year ago a year

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<v Speaker 1>from now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm actively trying to find ways to not dissociate

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<v Speaker 2>every day, but it's a lot harder than it sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And having no memory, the amnesia, it takes no energy.

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<v Speaker 2>What takes the energy is trying to remember. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in this phase where I'm done trying to remember and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to accept you know that I just

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<v Speaker 2>will never remember again. Those are lost memories. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I try to find ways to make

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<v Speaker 2>it so I'm not dissociating. But it's a lot harder

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<v Speaker 2>than it sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say you're trying to find ways not to disassociate.

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<v Speaker 1>What are those ways?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll try to, like, like, honestly, lately, what's been

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<v Speaker 2>helping me stay in the present moment while I'm like driving,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, is I'm listening to your podcast Therapy Get Goo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's been really helping keeping me in the present, just

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<v Speaker 2>always having something going that I can relate memories to.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll be listening to your podcast or whatever podcast

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<v Speaker 2>while I'm driving, or while i'm working, while I'm playing Minecraft,

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<v Speaker 2>like fucking anything, and I try to keep things on.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I can tie memories together, I've found that

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<v Speaker 2>that helps me remember at least one of the things.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could tie memories together.

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<v Speaker 1>And has this been effective for you at all? I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're saying that it's hard, and I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>very hard. You're fighting actively against you know, something going

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<v Speaker 1>on with you rologically that you haven't even had the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to really, really, you know, work on in a

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<v Speaker 1>professional way. Has has has your your technique's been effective

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<v Speaker 1>at all for you and helping you not just associate.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I don't have the answer to that

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<v Speaker 2>at this point in time, because I've only been trying

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<v Speaker 2>this for the last week. So I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to EXPERI a minute, a little longer until

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<v Speaker 2>I can really know for sure if it's being effective.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for example, like I think it was Sunday, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday. I was listening to your podcast all day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember actually quite a bit of Sunday versus like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, I don't even know what I did yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my short term memory is just as bad as

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<v Speaker 2>my long term, but it's not as severe because one

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<v Speaker 2>little idea, I can bring back all my memories from

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<v Speaker 2>the other day, so it's not a big deal. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it is effective so far.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you hope for the future, Crash.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just hoping to keep making really good memories, whether

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<v Speaker 2>I remember them or not, because I still want to

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<v Speaker 2>live in the present. I don't know how long I have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, between you and me, and I haven't really

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<v Speaker 2>told too many people. But I'm getting screened for cancer

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<v Speaker 2>next week, and you know I'm young, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to really live my best life and remember

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<v Speaker 2>what I can while I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what kind of memories are you? Are you hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to make?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I would really love to travel.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to travel and see everything I can.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've I've seen the Grand Canyon, I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>Niagara Falls. I've seen a lot of really beautiful things.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to see more. I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to more shows, like I'm going to Aftershock.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh what do they do? Are they em next weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? No, I am going to an M show? To

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Aftershock is like that rock and metal show

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<v Speaker 2>like Kiss or playing my Chemical Romance Emo Ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought it was the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm going to another festival.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want somebody somebody somebody knows what I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. I'm sorry interrupt you. So you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>a metal show, an E D M show? And then

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<v Speaker 1>what other kind of show.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so, yeah, that that metal festival is like a

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<v Speaker 2>three day festival. And then I'm going to this one

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<v Speaker 2>called Second Sky. It's this d M artist Porter Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a that that'll be fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>just found out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah please.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure you heard about that song of that

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<v Speaker 2>one guy fucked this girl too for two years see

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<v Speaker 2>bat By Hudson Mohawks.

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<v Speaker 1>Why have I have not heard of that at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? It was a huge, a huge thing. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so this huge thing. I'm going to be seeing it live.

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<v Speaker 2>He's playing at that freakin' show, So I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 2>that anyway. So what were you gonna ask?

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<v Speaker 1>He had sex with someone for two whole years while

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<v Speaker 1>playing that song?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's a terrible song. I recommend listening to

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<v Speaker 2>it so you could get the full picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll check that out. Fuck what was I going

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<v Speaker 1>to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I remember, I was going to ask you, you

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<v Speaker 1>know has has this amnique? Because it sounds like you

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're making a lot of plans to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and do a lot of things to really make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of of of the moment of the time that

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<v Speaker 1>you have I mean, all of us, everyone alive, no

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<v Speaker 1>one really really has any idea how much time they have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, I'm, you know, has the fuck I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you will be able to answer

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<v Speaker 1>this smart asket anyway. Do you think that this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing has kicked you into some kind of a gear

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to do more with yourself? I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I don't know if you have that much of

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<v Speaker 1>a handle of you know, how you lived your life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the past. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>have an idea of that based off what other people

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<v Speaker 1>have told you. But do you think that something about

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<v Speaker 1>all of this has inspired you to want to go

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<v Speaker 1>do more?

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<v Speaker 2>In a way? Probably? I mean, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different things in going on in my life that has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kicked me into doing this kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have always been if I know anything about myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been super adventurous, real seeking. I'm a wanderlust

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<v Speaker 2>like I want to do any and everything I can,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've just always kind of been like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>now that I know I may or may not remember it,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I am trying to do it a little

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<v Speaker 2>more as much as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. It's an interesting thing. You're a person who lives

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<v Speaker 1>very much for adventures and experiences. I get that on

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<v Speaker 1>a similar way, and yet you're not sure if you'll

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<v Speaker 1>even be able to remember them, and so you really,

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<v Speaker 1>truly are almost almost against your will living in the moment. Truly,

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<v Speaker 1>the only way that you can even experience something is

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<v Speaker 1>right as you're experiencing it. It's not I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the anticipatory thing, but there there's not a memory. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just right there, right now, as you're doing it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the worst part is too, is like I've been

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<v Speaker 2>real lot of shows I have, like memories pop up

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<v Speaker 2>on my Snapchat or my Facebook or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those dang tweety apps that the kids use, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have memories of them. And the thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>used to do with all these shows is I would

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<v Speaker 2>turn my phone off and put it away. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been one to record the shows or take pictures because

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to live in the moment. And I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kicking myself for that now because I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the videos or pictures of the show or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>many with people that I've seen because I was too

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<v Speaker 2>busy living in the moment, and now I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>any of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, Crash, listen, I hope that you have

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<v Speaker 1>many more adventures where you're able to live in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny you bring that up as a thing

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<v Speaker 1>you're lamenting, because I almost feel like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people experience the opposites where it's like they actually spent

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<v Speaker 1>most of the concert trying to record it and never

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<v Speaker 1>actually looked up and saw the band with their eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to do. I try to just I fucking

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<v Speaker 1>take a little picture just so I remember it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I put it away and I try to live

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<v Speaker 1>in in the in the thing, and I sway around

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm practicing right now. To my last two

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<v Speaker 2>shows I went to, I recorded like the very beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of everything that was going on, and then I put

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<v Speaker 2>my phone away and I enjoyed the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's served me well so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Crash, thanks for sharing all of this stuff. This

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<v Speaker 1>was very interesting. I hope that I'm really I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to hear that you still have a very

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<v Speaker 1>adventurous spirit and and a lot of desires and hopes

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<v Speaker 1>for the future in light of you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that you you know is going on with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you're able to you know, cross off

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<v Speaker 1>the the various experiences on your list. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else that you want to say to the people that

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<v Speaker 1>can or any other aspect of anything that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we didn't get to, or any any final comments, thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>feelings before we before we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like part of me wants to say, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>live in the moment and just really enjoy what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the present. But who knows if you get

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<v Speaker 2>memory issues later on and you regret it, so I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's not very good advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is an interesting thing that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>of like some finding a balance between living in the

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<v Speaker 1>thing and documenting the thing. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people try to struggle that balance, you know, struggle with

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<v Speaker 1>that balance, but I think I think it exists a

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<v Speaker 1>proper amount of.

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<v Speaker 2>Each I'll look for that balance for you while I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for calling cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, I'll see you later.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care. That was interesting. I like to that call,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think what I feel like I learned from

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<v Speaker 1>it very interesting predicament her like finding out things about

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<v Speaker 1>herself retroactively, retroactively from like her parents and people she

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<v Speaker 1>meets in her town about you know, her ex boyfriends

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<v Speaker 1>or how she was in middle school or any of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. I would have try. I would like have trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I don't know some guy I met

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<v Speaker 1>outside of a grocery store telling me that I was

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole in middle school. And I wouldn't even believe

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<v Speaker 1>that person, you know, what credibility do they even have?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I like that she still had this this

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<v Speaker 1>thirst for adventure and experiences and no, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>this like I noticed in her, like a lamentation. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a word lament a tation of lament lamentation. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a word, a lamentation of memories lost, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in such a way where she's sitting around, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so upset about the lost memories that she's debilitated from

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<v Speaker 1>making future ones. And that that that's what I like

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<v Speaker 1>about her and what I like about that story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope she takes many cool concert videos and pictures

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot in the future and then puts her phone

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<v Speaker 1>down and looks at stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Hey, is this wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Who is this?

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<v Speaker 4>This is Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael. How's it going, man?

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<v Speaker 4>Not much I'm doing. I'm doing all right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? I'm good? What's uh? How can I

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<v Speaker 1>get you?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>So I had this acid trip with some friends, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>like five or six years ago, and ever since then,

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<v Speaker 4>like I just have this thought in the back of

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<v Speaker 4>my head that like reality isn't real because like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta tell you the story with what happened. So

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<v Speaker 4>to of my friends, we decided to do acid in

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<v Speaker 4>his parents' house basement and they were off in another country.

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<v Speaker 4>So we did it, and my friend he kind of

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<v Speaker 4>kind of pushed me to take two tabs instead of

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<v Speaker 4>just one. And I have a very low tolerance for drugs,

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<v Speaker 4>but I just did it because I wasn't like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know anything about it. So we did it, and

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<v Speaker 4>like my mind is going like a mile a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, we're watching like Neil de grass Tyson or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm thinking, like I'm solving all the problems of

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<v Speaker 4>the universe. And so I'm basically talking a lot and

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<v Speaker 4>my friends are like, hey, Michael, like we just chill

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<v Speaker 4>when we do this, So the vibe was offered me there,

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<v Speaker 4>so I basically stopped talking and then I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, all right, so so you're telling me you're hot,

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<v Speaker 1>you're stoned on acid? Can you be stoned on acid?

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<v Speaker 1>Who goes? So you're high on acid and you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>and then your friend says to you, you know, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>we usually just chill when we do this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it was not. I mean they were on acid too,

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<v Speaker 4>but it definitely did not give me a good vine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah too, Okay continue.

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<v Speaker 4>So then so then I ended up just like talking

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<v Speaker 4>to myself for a while because as I was like

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<v Speaker 4>coming up, I was like trying to not forget who

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<v Speaker 4>I was. So I was just renaming people in my

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<v Speaker 4>life over and over again. And then you know, I

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 4>I had the whole ass experience where like it was crazy.

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 4>I saw the universe be born, and I lived through

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 4>all that. I had all the answers, and then like

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 4>then I started coming down. And when I was coming down,

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 4>I was like I would wake up in that basement

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 4>and then like I was like, all right, I have

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:25.919
<v Speaker 4>to get out of this or else I'm never going

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 4>to be myself again. So it's like, I gotta get

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 4>out of this basement, so I would. I did it

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 4>maybe a hundred times. There was just more thoughts of

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 4>me leaving the basement and doing like crazier and crazier

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 4>things each time, Like one time I went outside to

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 4>a glass at a house, which is what was all

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 4>my imagination or whatever. One time I got in my

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 4>car and I drove into a tree. But then I

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 4>would always just wake up back in the in the basement.

0:27:55.720 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 4>But then finally after all these times like escaping, like

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 4>when I was actually coming down and like got up

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 4>and my friends, who were also tripping on acid, like

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 4>we're like, I was like, I got to get out

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 4>of his basement. They're like, Michael, no, we got to

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 4>stay down because he had like his aunt and uncle upstairs.

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 4>And they were like, no, we got to stay down

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 4>here because we're on drugs and they'd be weird. And

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 4>so then I ended up actually like wrestling them and

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 4>I punched one of them in the jaw, and then

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 4>and then I sprinted upstairs, and like they followed me,

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 4>not knowing what to do, and so like I went

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 4>into the kitchen and the aunt was there, and I

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 4>was like trying to act on normal, trying to figure

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 4>out if this reality was the real one. So I

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 4>I go grab a glass to fill with the water,

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 4>and she's like, oh, what are you guys doing. We're

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 4>just watching movies. And I go stand behind her and

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 4>I just look at her for a second, look at

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 4>my friends, and then I actually just smacked the shit

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 4>out of her from behind her. And that ended up

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 4>your friends? Yeah, No, it was one of my friends,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 4>the guy's house. We were at his like aunts.

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Was there his aunt?

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you so you smacked your friend's aunt.

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Was she on acid?

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 4>No, they had no idea that we were dripping in

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 4>the basement.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how did she or how did she react to that?

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 4>While she just turned around started screaming and crying. And

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 4>then like my two friends were just in shock, and

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 4>my the the guy's uncle like came over and he

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 4>was like high as fuck on weed. They didn't really

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 4>do anything, and yeah, my friends drove me home. Oh

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 4>and before in the story, I had like called my parents,

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 4>who were like very anti drugs, and told them like everything.

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Oh, I'm at an acid I need

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 4>you to pick me up. I started like saying things

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 4>in my life were alive that weren't like and then yeah,

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 4>ever since then, Like, I don't know, it got better

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 4>over time, but I just always had that feeling that that, like,

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, sometimes the matrix will break and somebody

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 4>will like casually mention how or not. It feels like

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 4>since that happened, people would like casually mentioned that this

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 4>isn't reality out of context completely that I'm.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Just like Michael, really Michael, Yeah, all right, so this

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>this whole changed relationship with reality. Was there any seed

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of this before you took the acid?

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 4>No, not at all.

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And now, on a day to day basis, do

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you feel different than you did on a day to

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>day basis before you took the acid.

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean at first I did, uh, like all the time,

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 4>but as time went on, I kind of it kind

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 4>of stopped, I guess, But It's always been there in

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 4>the back of my head, and I'd like, like.

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>With reality now, uh, I don't know.

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 4>I just like I don't. I mean, I'm gonna keep

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 4>living it because it's the only thing I got now,

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 4>but I'm just not totally convinced that it's it's real.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>You're not totally convinced that your reality is real? Yeah, okay,

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>what tell me this? What what does real mean? Are you?

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Are you insinuating that what you are experiencing that are you?

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Are you?

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you insinuating that there was actually something else that

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>is more real than what you are experiencing right now? Yeah?

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm I'm basically saying that what if I was

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 4>still caught in one of those thought loops that I, like,

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 4>I just never left that basement or I died or something,

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 4>and that my brain is still just short circuiting. And

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm look at that like there's an episode of Rick

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 4>and Morty with a guy I can live through a

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 4>whole life and in a video game you're talking about.

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I brought that. I literally brought that up in conversation

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>yesterday as an example for something. And yeah that nobody

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>knew what I was talking about. But anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, okay,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>if I told you that that is not the case

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and that you are real, would you believe me?

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm like pretty convinced that it's real because

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't feel it feels like I couldn't be going

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 4>on this law. I mean, that trip was like I

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 4>lived through like all of space and time. In that trip,

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 4>I get fucked with my head. But like so I'm

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 4>like mostly convinced it is. And it's not like I'm

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 4>thinking about this all day every day.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I just like, every once in a while, well listen, yeah,

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>look everyonce look, well most people every once in a while,

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and for some people every once in a while is

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>about once every five years. They they do look at

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>themselves and go, is this fucking real? I think that's

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, experience.

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 4>I think so too. But when yeah, well when, but

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 4>it feels like ever since that happened. You know, when

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 4>you like hear a word for the first time and

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 4>then you keep hearing that word. They can like, yeah, yeah,

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 4>it feels like ever since then. I've just it's been

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 4>coming up a lot more or like some I don't know,

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 4>especially with what's kind of going on today in the world.

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 4>It's just all kind of like did I is this

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 4>just my brain making stuff up? But then I think,

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 4>like I'm talking to a get go on the phone,

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 4>like how could my brain make that up?

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>You are I'm gonna say two things. Thing. Number One,

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>if you what's your name, Michael, Michael, If you're truly,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>truly wrestling with reality in a way that is detrimental

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to your mental health. You should go see a psychiatrist.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I am, I don't. I don't think I've ever

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 4>mentioned this to them, though.

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>You didn't, you haven't mentioned this to them?

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 4>No, I mean looking.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>About it then, and mostly I.

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Have like other mental problems, like with anxiety and stuff

0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes depressions, So I it's just't something that I'm

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 4>really focused on, like because if it's if it ends

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 4>up not being real, what am.

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 5>I supposed to do about it?

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, Michael, I don't you know. I'm

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 1>not going to try to coach you too much on

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>this because you're talking to a professional and you should

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>continue to talk to the professional. But if you have

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>a history of mental illnesses, I have heard anecdotally that

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 1>uh uh LSD can heighten or awaken certain pre existing

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>mental illnesses.

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 4>You know, I definitely feel like that like trigger. I

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 4>mean I've always had social anxiety, but like, yeah, that

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 4>definitely hypened it up a lot, like which has gotten

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 4>better and the help I'm getting is really like us

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 4>has changed my life. But if that's one thing, Teller, Yeah,

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 4>the people on the computers that like if you need help,

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 4>go get it, because there's always something you could do.

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Michael Man, thank you for calling. And you know, look,

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>whether or not reality is real, which it is, Okay,

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I am a big gecko on the computer,

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 1>so don't take my word for anything. But whether or

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>not it is real, I hope it is good for.

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 3>You, all Right.

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.959
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm basically like just thinking, even

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 4>if it's not real, I'm just gonna live my best life.

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's my experience strategy. I think that's a

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>good strategy. Thank you for calling, Michael.

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank you very much. Good talking to you.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Hello. Hello, Hello, Hi is this Tasha?

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 3>It is?

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>What's going on with you? Dude? Hey?

0:36:55.719 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh. That basically I am trying to figure out

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 3>how its to be a more honest person in life

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 3>and be more open and connect with people better. But

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm having trouble partly because my truth or like my

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 3>reality of my life is pretty fucking weird and not

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:22.359
<v Speaker 3>something I necessarily want to share with strangers and like

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 3>associates and stuff. So I'm trying to like figure out

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 3>and I could really use some perspective on like, how

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 3>are you supposed to be honest without like oversharing kind

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 3>of thing.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you can I read what the call? Can

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 1>I read what the call screener put down? And I

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is the thing that you're trying

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>not to say, but you did tell the call screener it,

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>so I'll just I'll say it. It says here that

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>you moved across the country from Wisconsin because your domb

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>suggested that you do.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 3>So yes, well too Wisconsin. So okay, Yeah, we met

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 3>online just like gaming, and we were friends for a

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 3>long time and both into BDSM and eventually after a

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 3>couple of years ended up meeting and kind of developing

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 3>more of a actual like domb sub relationship. And he

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 3>kind of gives me a lot of great life advice

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>that has been constructive, and you know, at one point

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 3>he suggested I can move out here because I really

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 3>like in my old life, I was very isolated, very unhappy,

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 3>working from home, didn't have any friends, didn't go out,

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 3>and like, you know, basically he was like, well, you

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 3>can come here and you know, I'll kind of, like

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, be there for you and you can

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 3>do X, Y and Z, like just kind of life suggestions,

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 3>not like borders like you have to move here.

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm no, no, no, I want to get a

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>handle the situation. Or so you how long were you

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about this guy before you did? Did he was

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>he like come move in with me? Or he's just

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's it's very interesting, like the the the

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>casual nature of everything. That's what I'm trying to hit. Well, No,

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I look in this big, crazy fucking world.

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anything is all that weird.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't like we kind of want to like be

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 3>there for each other without being like, let me put

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 3>it to you this way, like you can think of

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 3>it as like none of us wants to be in

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 3>a really alone and like celibate, So you know, we're like,

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 3>uh b.

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>F f w B.

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I you know it's you're saying it's weird, but I

0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I really actually believe that, Uh, the two people who

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:11.760
<v Speaker 1>have the exact same level of desire of commitment running

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>into each other and having that much commitment, it's just

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>as beautiful to me as you know, somebody falling in

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>love and having ten kids and living happily ever after.

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>That is a beautiful thing. When two people of similar

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>levels of desire for commitment meet each other and do

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>their fucking whatever thing. So glad to hear that that

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 1>seems to be working out for you. So are you, well, okay,

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>are you living with this guy or you just moved

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to the same city as him.

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 3>So I moved to a nearby city and kind of

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 3>like we talked about it a lot and kind of

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 3>like gamed it out, and like, potentially we could eventually

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 3>move in together. It wouldn't be for like over a year.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 3>Could I just find a leap? But that's kind of

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 3>like we kind of agreed that you shouldn't ever move

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 3>in with somebody unless you've at least been together a year.

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 3>So if we still wanted to that, you know, a

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 3>year from now, we might think about it. But that's

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of like that's not the plan or anything. It's

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 3>more like, you know, here's nearby and we can hang

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 3>out more. I mean obviously, like we were doing a

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of visits and that sh it's expensive, but also

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 3>I just needed a place to go. I wasn't happy

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 3>in my own city.

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>But and like, can I hear real quick? Yeah, well,

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>here go ahead. What we're gonna say, was it gonna

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>be it should be a big deal.

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 3>I spired, shouldn't be a big deal. But like I'm

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I just moved here, and like I just you know,

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 3>started a job, and like everybody I meet is like

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 3>wants to know everything about me and like what are

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 3>you doing here?

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I can move here?

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's like I feel so intimided, Like I'm happy

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 3>with my choices, but I don't know what to say

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 3>to people without being without feeling like I'm being say for.

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Like lying interesting, interesting. Well, it's funny because I have

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>all the same questions for you because we have been

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>talking for about five minutes and I still feel like

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about you.

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, that makes two of us. I feel the

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 3>same way about.

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Miss and you know what, I think that's an okay

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>place to be. I think it's a very interesting and

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>wonderful place to be. Well, can I ask you, okay,

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>where did you move from? You moved to Wisconsin. Where'd

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you go? Where'd you move from Denver? Denver? Tell me

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>just baseline. You don't have to get too into it,

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>but base baseline, what was life like for you in Denver?

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, so I moved to Denver with my ex husband,

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:56.439
<v Speaker 3>and so that whole scenario basically like he is still

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 3>in rehab from when we sile up two years ago,

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 3>let's put it that way, which yes, that was about

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 3>the same time that but you know, he's just he's

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 3>got substance abuse issues and our time started with a

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 3>lot of substance youth partying and that kind of thing,

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 3>and it turned into just chaos and just trying to

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 3>scrape by to survive. And then you know, when he

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 3>went into rehab and we kind of separated, just me

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:32.479
<v Speaker 3>kind of like finding that I had become isolated, didn't

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 3>really have connections except for people who are not really

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 3>beneficial to my life. And then COVID hit, and you know,

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 3>became even more isolated, and that was like, oh shit,

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 3>like I don't have any support here, you know, and

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I just became more and more miserable. And that was

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.439
<v Speaker 3>where the guy came along, and we knew each other

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 3>and he really helped me dig myself out of the hole.

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't feel like he did it. I just feel

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 3>like he helped me do it, you know, which is

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 3>why I think I trust the dynamic because I don't

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 3>feel dependent on him, but I feel like he's a

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 3>really good support for me to figure this shit out

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 3>for myself.

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, you do have a It sounds like a a.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>You did not phrase this to me as like, Oh,

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I moved to Wisconsin for this guy. But I talked

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.399
<v Speaker 1>to this guy and he brought up moving to Wisconsin,

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and I did it. And it sounds like if he

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 1>disappeared tomorrow, you would be bummed, but your entire life

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>would not fall apart.

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I made that. Okay, so here, I don't

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 3>know if the screen or caught this, but I made

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 3>the decision to have it be that way very intentionally

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 3>because this guy is seventeen years younger than me. So yeah,

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I feel like a responsibility. I know, I feel responsibility

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 3>not to like impose my like I don't know if

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 3>I let myself fall apart if things go back with him,

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 3>that's compare to him, you know what I mean. I

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 3>don't want to put pressure on the relationship where he

0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 3>just needs to, like, you know, have fun and be young,

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.879
<v Speaker 3>drink pepsi relationships interesting.

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, so so you're now in Wisconsin, you have

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a job. What what's what is next for you here?

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>What are you trying to build?

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, right, I have no fucking idea. I mean, yeah,

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. And that's where I'm kind of like

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 3>I keep coming to like these conclusions and epiciones from like,

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know, you don't need to figure it

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 3>out out in a day, like just to move on

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 3>with your life. But part of the problem that I

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 3>had before it was being so isolated. And again, I

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 3>don't want to put all the pressure on this guy.

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 3>I need like other people in my life and other

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 3>sources of support and shit, and I just don't have that.

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 3>And I kind of feel like I'm not going to

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 3>get that if I'm just like having these really superficial connections,

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, where I like can't be even honest. But

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 3>I also feel like I don't know how do you

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 3>like even I could go into like the BDSM scene

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 3>and talk to people there, you know, but like that's

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>surprisingly difficult to find too, and like there's not a

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of events in that scene right now, especially in

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>the Midwest.

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>You're looking, you're you you're looking to build a sense

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 1>of community.

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just like, I don't even know something like

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 3>that tribe mm hmm.

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of different ways to do. I mean,

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot personally about the BDSM life,

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but it sounds like there is community out there and

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that I mean, are we just dealing with like a

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of the problem of like how do I make

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>friends as an adult?

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's a big part of it. But like

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know that is like you just got

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 3>to do ship, right, you know. Part of part of

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 3>that is like I don't have hobbies. I don't have

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 3>like I have a lot of interest that are fleeving,

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 3>but I don't have a passion or like one thing

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 3>that I'm really into, which I'm okay with that. I

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.720
<v Speaker 3>don't feel like I need to like manufacture something.

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, but you don't. But you do seem like

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I am searching here for a word of what I'm

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to say. You seem like you have maybe it

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>is a curiosity or a sense of adventure, because you're

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you're clearly searching, because you you left your life behind

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 1>at Denver and you went to Wisconsin in search, not

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily even knowing what of but just in search. And

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 1>so now you're in Wisconsin and I feel like you

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>have this search burning within you just keep following it, right,

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like where else? What? What? What else is there to

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 1>explore where you are? Where you could find yourself somewhere interesting?

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Is it more into the medsm community? Is it? Do

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 1>we fucking start a band? Do we open an arts

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and craft store?

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>What what do we do?

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Is?

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 1>You're in it. You're in a very interesting position, and

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you have a very interesting personality for it, at least

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean I don't know you, uh, you know,

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>back and forth from a ten minute phone call, but

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 1>just from what you're giving off, That's what I'm feeling.

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like I feel like the whole another part

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.080
<v Speaker 3>with my previous relationship when I came out of that,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 3>like I literally was like going through a nervous breakdown.

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like ever since that relationship ended, some

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of part of who I was is like broken

0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 3>and like I can't get back to it. And like

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of okay with that, Like I'm not like

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 3>desperate to get that part of me back. I'm like

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.840
<v Speaker 3>let it go. But like music that I used to

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 3>love have has no impact on me.

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Anymore, And like what what is it? Can can I

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>what is this part of you? What? What would you

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 1>describe it as?

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it was like way more idealistic and naive

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:46.080
<v Speaker 3>and like I don't know, innocent, you know, like I

0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 3>used to love poetry and folk music and I don't know,

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.959
<v Speaker 3>like I still can appreciate it, but I just don't

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 3>have that love for it anymore and just way more

0:49:58.080 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 3>gonna go.

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Now and at this point in your life, and you

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>could take a second to think about it, what do

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you have a love for?

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like very little, Yeah I'm very little, which I

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 3>don't know, and like stuff like I used to have

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 3>all these places I wanted to travel and now or

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:25.800
<v Speaker 3>even like where I would want to move Like it

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 3>was very much like if anybody had come along and

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 3>them like, oh, you shouldn't move here because that's Y

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 3>and Z, I'd be like, aren't fine, you know, because

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 3>like I just don't have any like full this song

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 3>pul to with anything, and like maybe I just need

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:45.319
<v Speaker 3>to bump around for a while to like go where

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 3>the winds may take me.

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I don't know. You're in a very

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>interesting situation. This has been. This made me think a

0:50:56.000 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 1>lot here. I guess as long as you don't stop searching,

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the potential every day exists for you. To find that

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 1>thing that you know, Like you said, you're not going

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 1>to return to the part of you that you lost

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:20.839
<v Speaker 1>that loved this this you know poetry and and had

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>what you described as a naivety and you probably shouldn't, right.

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're growing forward, not backward. So hopefully if

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you keep the search up, you'll find a new part

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 1>of yourself. And the challenge is just going to be

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>keeping the search up, even on days where you don't

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 1>want to or where it seems like you are not

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.879
<v Speaker 1>going to get anywhere. Just keeping it up always keeps,

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, the potential energy in play. You can ask

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 1>me anything.

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to be argument and no, please, I'm

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 3>very like I'm a very Devil's advocate type person, but

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 3>like this is like a genuine reactioning question is like sure, so,

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I already forgot about some So basically

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 3>like how do I like continue this like attempt to

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 3>be like honest and open with people and like not

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 3>close off without feeling like, well, you can't say this,

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 3>you can't say that, Like I feel like almost everything

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 3>about my life is like controversial or like just too weird,

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.760
<v Speaker 3>like people have a hard time or it just invites

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:34.759
<v Speaker 3>more questions and I don't want I don't know, It's

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 3>like I don't want people to focus on like how

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 3>weird my past is or how like buffed up my

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 3>past is. Like I don't you know, I don't want

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 3>to dwell on it. I just really want to move

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 3>on and like find the next positive stuff. But like

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't want to like shut them

0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:52.919
<v Speaker 3>down either, you know what I mean? Like I don't

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 3>know how to find that balance.

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Why do you have Why do you have to talk

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to people about your past?

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not it's really just like when I'm so,

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I find myself in so many situations, whether it be

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.439
<v Speaker 3>like getting a haircut or like starting my new job

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 3>or out, and everybody wants to like grill you, Yeah,

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 3>not grill you, but just ask a lot of questions,

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and like especially when your answers are kind of intriguing. Yeah,

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 3>it's like, uh like at some point, I just like

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what to say, or I don't

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 3>want to open a can of worms, you know, sure

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>sure like if I it would be radically honest, that

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 3>would go badly, especially in like some situations with people

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 3>like I just.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>You think, can I can I can I ask you

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:52.360
<v Speaker 1>a question? You say that being radically honest would go badly,

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't want to be a hypocrite

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 1>here because I have a desire sometimes to be radically

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 1>honest and I don't do it. But do you do

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you have a desire within you to relinquish everything and

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 1>just be radically honest.

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.560
<v Speaker 3>I think, oh, yeah, for sure, because I think I

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.919
<v Speaker 3>hate the fact that people always say, like give lip

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:21.319
<v Speaker 3>service to this idea like be yourself or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>honesty and openness is so important, but like in reality,

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<v Speaker 3>people don't want to know a lot of the details

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<v Speaker 3>are like people have this more bid curiosity, more so

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<v Speaker 3>than the natural interest, right, And so I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what puts me off, is that curiosity which is not.

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<v Speaker 1>And I and I I think I think that's you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you know what, And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be I don't want to be a hypocrite here because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm almost talking to myself. But like, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand percent correct that you probably have things about

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<v Speaker 1>your life that and thoughts and feelings that if you

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<v Speaker 1>were one hundred percent honest about you're probably right that

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people, maybe even most people

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<v Speaker 1>would react to them strangely or negatively or uncomfortably. But

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<v Speaker 1>along with that, you have a much, much, much much

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<v Speaker 1>higher chance of opening yourself up to people who find

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<v Speaker 1>who agree with those ideas and are like, fuck, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting for a person like this to come along

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<v Speaker 1>into my life because everyone else, you know, people admire

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<v Speaker 1>you because they were so scared themselves to be open

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and you attract those people. And attracting those people,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fucking hypocrite saying this, but attracting those people

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<v Speaker 1>is worth putting off people who think that your shit

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<v Speaker 1>is weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, And I just got

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<v Speaker 3>to like, I don't know, I just gotta like meditate

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<v Speaker 3>on that. Just stop scaring at Gissa.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Tasha, thanks for having this conversation. This was

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting, and I again I've said this five times,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a good telling you this

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<v Speaker 1>because I myself and I'm sure a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this could be doing a better job of

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<v Speaker 1>this scary thing. But I hope you have the courage to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be more out there moving forward, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that if you do it lands you somewhere interesting

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<v Speaker 1>or somewhere that at least you never thought you'd get to.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for calling Tashai. Hey what's up? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>This is awesome. I'm like really high to like talk

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<v Speaker 5>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh anything, what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just relaxing. I'm like playing some video games, watching.

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<v Speaker 1>You what kind of video games.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been back into Battlefield one because it's like, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, it's one of the shooters I got like

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.760
<v Speaker 5>really into when it came out, so it's kind of nostalgic.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan, is anything in particular you wanted to talk about today?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah?

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm in Alabama, so we can talk about the

0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 5>Alabama thing. Or I recently went to Colorado and I

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<v Speaker 5>had this really really good pizza and none of the

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<v Speaker 5>pizza I've had can like compare to it, so it

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<v Speaker 5>kind of ruined all the pizza for me.

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<v Speaker 1>How good was this pizza?

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<v Speaker 5>It was the bread like it's just like melts, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And after having this pizza, what has other pizza tasted

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<v Speaker 1>like for you?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I went to like my favorite pizza place

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<v Speaker 5>in town when I got back, and I'm a big

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<v Speaker 5>like sauce guy, so like I really like like the

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<v Speaker 5>red sauce and it just like wasn't as good.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm worried because I had this really good pizza and

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<v Speaker 5>now it's like, do I not like the pizzas in

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<v Speaker 5>my town anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel a little bit of depression?

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<v Speaker 5>It's like I lost one of my greatest choices, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what I mean. But like I'm I'm not like

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<v Speaker 5>out of hope, like there's gonna be a pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting. This is like a hedonic treadmill thing. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you've had such great pizza, all the other

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>pizzas don't compare. So tell me this, m Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you've learned anything from this experience about aiming too

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<v Speaker 1>close to the top.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it wasn't like intentional, So it's not like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like like getchorus like flying towards the sun. It's

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<v Speaker 5>like not one of those. It's like this pizza just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of got dropped in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so you had this experience, but has this

0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 1>has this led you to any other their epiphanies about life.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a this is a whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>here that you're dealing with. You now know the dangers

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<v Speaker 1>of reaching too high to the top shelf instead of

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying what is in front of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that this has prevented you from possibly,

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<v Speaker 1>in the future going after new experiences and in the

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<v Speaker 1>fear that they will ruin your current life experiences?

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<v Speaker 5>Don't do that. There's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you gotta like go for like the good stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Like you gotta like, I don't know, I've

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<v Speaker 5>had a bad acid trip before, so it's like kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like that feeling one, but like that wore off

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<v Speaker 5>over time. So like I feel like the pizza thing

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<v Speaker 5>is gonna wear off over time too.

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<v Speaker 1>You think it'll wear off.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Like it's I'm gonna like roll back down and

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<v Speaker 5>then my standard is gonna be low again, and then

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna eat the pizza from around here again and

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<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be like good again.

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<v Speaker 1>MM. So you think that eventually this will pay off

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<v Speaker 1>and you will be able to yeah, agotiate the local again.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like a time heals all wound situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm mmmm, well, Ethan that I'm I'm rooting for you, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that, I hope that eventually you are able

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<v Speaker 1>to return to your appreciation for that which is in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you and not be constantly thinking about when

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<v Speaker 1>you had the best.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you get.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else you want to say to the

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<v Speaker 1>people of the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I just hope everybody's having a good time. Be

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<v Speaker 5>careful if you ever get like pizza from outside your

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<v Speaker 5>home area.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for calling it, Thank you good Ethan eas

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<v Speaker 1>and Ethan Ethan. Ethan goes on the line, thinking, your

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<v Speaker 1>phone

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<v Speaker 2>Calls every night, every