1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stepan 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio. And welcome to 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: another sub sub sub segment of fictional women around the world. 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: We are continuing with our Last of Us content. This 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: will have spoilers for the most recent final finale episode 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: of the HBO show The Last of Us, which yes 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: it's not a sponsor, but just a heads up on 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: that there will be spoilers, some brief mention of the 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: second game, but not much. No spoilers, no spoilers. I 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: would also suggest listening to our Riley episode for more 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: on the interaction between Riley and Marlene. Marlene is who 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about. I realized I didn't say, yes, we 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: were talking about Marlene, So let's get right into it. 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Marlene is played by Merle Dandridge in both the twenty 15 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: thirteen game, the twenty twenty sequel game, and the HBO show. 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: She was the only one who was a voice actor 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: and motion capture of her character in the game and 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: played her the same character in the show, so it's 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: very very cool. You can see her get emotional about 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: it in the behind the show bit after the most 21 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: recent episode, and also a little bit in the kind 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: of making of the Last of Us. The characters also 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: featured in the comic American Dreams, as discussed in Our 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Riley episode. She is the leader of the Boston Quarantine 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Zone Fireflies are QZ Fireflies. She was a good friend 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: of Ellie's mother Anna. She was Ellie's protector from Afar 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: and the final quote antagonist I saw her described of 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: the game Slash movie. I have my beef with that, 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: but whatever. There are some key differences between her background 30 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: in the game and show, and I'll go over them. 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: But let's start with the game Slash comic. Marlene is, yes, 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: the leader of the Fireflies in Boston, and the Fireflies 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: are this organization or some call them a terrorist group, 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: depending on who you ask, in the world of the 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Last of Us that are fighting against what they view 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: is this totalitarian fascist rule and control of this government 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: organization called PEDRO and some places across the country. The 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Fireflies have succeeded in taking over the QUZI, but they 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: are being cracked down on and killed in most places. 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Boston in particular, has suffered a lot of recent losses 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: at the stories beginning, and on top of leading this organization. Yes, 42 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: she watches over Ellie because of this promise that she 43 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: made to Ellie's mom Anna, who had been her friend 44 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: since before they outbreak, since they've known each other, like 45 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: what did they say, We've known each other forever essentially. 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: At one point, Marlene was close with Joel's brother Tommy 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: when he was a member of the Fireflies, and when 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Tommy left the organization, he told Marlene she could go 49 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: to Joel if she was ever desperate. During the events 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: of American Dreams, Marlene saved Ellie and Riley from and 51 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: infected and denied Riley's request to join the Fireflies. After 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: a confrontation with smugglers and this like intense exchange between 53 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: the trio, Marlene gives Ellie her mother's switchblade and a 54 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: letter from her mom. Eventually, Marlene does allow Riley to 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: join the Fireflies, but oh if she promises to never 56 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: see Ellie again, because Marley wants Ellie to be safe 57 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: at this military school and even goes as far to 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: decide to send Riley to another QUSI. But Riley is 59 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: desperate to see Ellie one last time, so the pair 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: sneak out to the mall and Ellie convinces Riley to 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: leave the Fireflies and stay with her, but unfortunately they 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: get bitten and Riley dies and somehow Ellie doesn't turn 63 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: and this is when Marlene realizes Ellie is a mune. 64 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So Marlene makes a deal with a smuggler named Robert 65 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: to get enough weapons to smuggle Ellie out of the QZ, 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: but the military attacks her in her squad, killing everyone 67 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: but Marlene, who sustains a shot to her side. And yes, 68 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: that's slightly different than what happens in the show, but 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: essentially the basics are there. Meanwhile, Marlene finds out that 70 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it was Tess and Joel who have killed Robert. And 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: by the way, Marlene and Tess knew each other before 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: the outbreak as well, and they were like, weren't friends, 73 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: but they weren't enemies. So Marlene's out of options and 74 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: she offers these weapons that she was supposed to get 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: to transport Ellie across the country to Tess and Joel 76 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: in exchange for them getting Ellie out of the city 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: and to a rendezvous point where they'll meet up with 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: other Fireflies who will take her the rest of the 79 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: way to their final location, which you don't know what 80 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: it is. At this point, Ellie doesn't like this plan 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: wants to stay with Marlene, but Marlene tells her this 82 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 1: is the only chance that they have, and so Ellie 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: does go the smugglers. Marlene recovers and she and the 84 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: rest of the remaining Fireflies make the check across the 85 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: country to Salt Lake City, where the Fireflies have successfully 86 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: taken over the Quz, but they suffer a lot of 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: losses along the way, her and her group and it 88 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: really demoralizes them, and so their spirits kind arise when 89 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: they join the Salt Lake City Fireflies, but it doesn't 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: last long when they learned that the group that was 91 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: supposed to transport Ellie died at the rendezvous point and 92 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: they have no idea where she is if she survived, 93 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: and Marlene in particular goes really depressed and starts questioning 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: her leadership skills to the point she stops eating. She 95 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: thinks about running away from the Fireflies, and that's where 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: we see some big differences between the show and the game. 97 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: All Right, So her patrol reports spatting a man in 98 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: a little girl in the city and they bring them in. 99 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: At first, Marlene is thrilled that Ellie is survived, but 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: then she is informed that while they can reverse engineer 101 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: vaccine from Ellie's unique mutation, the procedure will kill her. 102 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: They asked for Marlene's permission, which she thought was kind 103 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: of a formality. They were going to do it no 104 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: matter what, so she does give them permission, but it 105 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: greatly pains her, and she records two messages to Ellie's 106 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: mother apologizing. And here's a quote I wanted to include. 107 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Apparently there's no way to extricate the parasite without eliminating 108 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: the host. Fancy way of saying, we got to kill 109 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: the kid. And now they're asking for my go ahead. 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: The test just keep getting harder and harder, don't they. 111 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm so tired, I'm exhausted, and I just want this 112 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: to end. So be it. Oh, I miss you, Anna, 113 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: Your daughter will be with you soon. Pretty intense. Marlene 114 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: insists that they tell Joel, that they tell him because 115 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: they owe him the truth because he got her here. 116 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: The others disagree. Some even tried to persuade her to 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: kill Joel, or that they should kill Joel, but she replaces, 118 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: I need to go back. Where did do was this 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: in the game? Where she's recording these messages that missed this. Yeah, yeah, 120 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: you find them. You find them throughout like the it's 121 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: the way you pick up. You pick up like these 122 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: like hand recorders and you listen to these messages. Wow, 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: I definitely play dad, don't you thought? Gameplay? Well, it's 124 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of it's in the in PlayStation five. It comes 125 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: through your controller, so it sounds different, so it's kind 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: of hard to hear. In the first one, it's kind 127 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: of like one of the most annoying mechanics, which they 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: fixed in the second one. But when you're playing it, 129 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: you can't move and something could attack you. You're like 130 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: listening to it like or don't attack on attack. Oh yeah, 131 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I completely didn't know. Okay, keep going, that was new. Yeah. 132 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: So they're trying to convince her to kill Joel, but 133 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: she refused to kill the one person who might understand 134 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: how she felt. So in the show they have this 135 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: line and the game they have this line where she's like, oh, 136 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: you were you got her across the country and it's 137 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: sort of realizing like, oh, he actually cares about her 138 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: now because he did notch at the beginning. So she 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: thanks Joel for transporting Ellie and tells him about the 140 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: vaccine and how it will kill her, and Joel of 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: course objects, but she tells him that this is bigger 142 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: than either of their feelings for Ellie. She tells her 143 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: squad to give Joel back his supplies and lead him out, 144 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: instructing them to shoot him if he tries to intervene 145 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: with the operation, and of course, Joel escapes, kills everyone 146 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: stops operation. Marlene follows Joel to the parking deck and 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: tries to stop him from taking Ellie at gunpoint, asking 148 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: how long before Ellie faces something horrible in the future, 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: how long before she dies, and tells them it's what 150 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: Ellie would want and he knows it. In a show 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: of peace, she lowers her gun, but Joel shoots her. 152 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: Marlene survives at first shot and begs him to let 153 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: her go, and he says, you'll just come after her 154 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: and shoots her again, killing her, which, interestingly enough, I've 155 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: seen a lot of arguments about whether or not Marlene 156 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: is dead. Yeah, she is dead. Everyone she did die. 157 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things like when people 158 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: were fighting about Riley, I was like, well they yeah, 159 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: they do feel like if I had and watched you 160 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: play through and knew what was going on. It would 161 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: feel like, did they just leave that up for maybe 162 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: something to come about later. No, So Jill lies to 163 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Ellie about Marlene's death, about the fireflies, about the vaccine, 164 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: saying that they have given up on finding a care 165 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: and you do that is not the end of Marlene. 166 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Just because of flashbacks, I wanted to include some quotes 167 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: from Dangers to close this up about this character. She 168 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: did say that Marlene has a heavier stillness in the 169 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: show because they wanted to be more quote realistic about 170 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: the weight of the apocalypse or something. That's not a 171 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: direct quote. I don't know why I did that. That's 172 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: basically what they were saying, a paraphrasing quote, I guess, okay, 173 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: But here is an actual quote from an interview with 174 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: her about the differences, because this is part of the 175 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: big the Big Fight. If you want to learn more 176 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: about the cr most recent last of his episode about 177 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: the finale between Joel and Marlene, So Danger said, well, 178 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: I would say there might be a question mark around that. 179 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: I know that Marlene didn't explicitly offer that information to 180 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: Ellie because she didn't want to alarm her but I 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: do think that they have a more pragmatic relationship. She 182 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: might have even alluded to it, which gives Ellie even 183 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: more conflict and not having had the agency that Joel 184 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: has taken away from her. Ultimately black and white, Yes, 185 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: they are both taking this choice from her, But I 186 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: do think that Marlene has given her a little bit 187 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: more information. I don't think she's explicitly lied to her. 188 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: She may be omitted some truth, but she would not 189 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: explicitly lie to her. Also, in the midst of this, 190 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: the relationship between Marlene Angel is fraught with a lot 191 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: of history between them. As Marlene put it, they're both 192 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: capable of so much, and they have abided with each 193 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: other in parallel lines. But there's a chasm and animosity 194 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: between them because of Marlene's relationship with his brother Tommy 195 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: as a firefly caused a physical and emotional rift between them. 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: So there's another element of him not giving any two 197 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: f's about what Marlene wants him this situation, even though 198 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: she's throwing out every argument in the kitchen sink at him, 199 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: trying to negotiate with him. Oh, I love it. You 200 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: can tell she put so much thought into this character. Yeah, 201 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: this is a character. Yeah, I think that's the thing. 202 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: It's like when you see the behind the scenes and 203 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: when you have each of the different actors who portray 204 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: someone else obviously but part of the show. They all 205 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: love this entire story and they feel like they are 206 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: a part of it, and I think because they are included, 207 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: they love it a little more. But they do get 208 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: to have a big say, and then the show and 209 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: the writers acknowledged them in the aftermath to able to 210 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: like process not only what they did in the game, 211 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: but also what they did in the show. So it 212 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: was lovely. But yeah, having her play this character was 213 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: so on point. She did an amazing job because it 214 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: was I don't know, I don't think anyone else could 215 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: have done that character the way she did it, and 216 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: she did She's already practiced it through like she's a pro, 217 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: So this probably only came like, other than a few 218 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: changes that they made, this was just like an old 219 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: hat for her. Yeah. Yeah, And she's such a great 220 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: complex character because she is the leader of this organization. 221 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: She has this connection to Ellie, she has this connection 222 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: to Joel, and yeah, I'll have a lot more to 223 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: say about it. In the most recent Yeah, I do 224 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: wish that they had played up their relationship, Marlene and 225 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Ellie's relationship rather than just being like, oh I knew 226 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: your mother. Like I really wish they were like where 227 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: she was kind of a caretaker, you know, whether it's 228 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: like in sequence or whatnot, because she wasn't a show 229 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: in the game, right, So I kind of wish they 230 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: were able to play that up because that distance makes 231 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: it seem like she is an antagonist instead of being 232 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: a complex character. Yeah. I mean she's got a lot 233 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: going on, which we yeah, we did talk about. We'll 234 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: talk about. But they did. They certainly like as as 235 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: the character said, as the actor said, they made her. 236 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: There's more of a harsher kind of stillness with her 237 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: in the in the show. And I mean to say, 238 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: it's a painful thing of like her promising Anna, I 239 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: will take care of Ellie and then being the one 240 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of like, I gotta make this decision because 241 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: she's got this like leadership thing going on. It's stuff. Yes, yes, 242 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: well I do love this character. Yeah, we had a 243 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: plenty to say in our most recent last first episode, 244 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: So go check that out if you haven't already. 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