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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noa.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: don't want you to know. If you're checking out listener

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Speaker 3: mail the evening, it publishes, folks, welcome to Thursday September eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which we are dubbing for the purposes

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Speaker 3: of this show National Rude Bega Day. Dylan, I think

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Speaker 3: you've got something prepared for our celebration.

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Speaker 4: He's looking for a charming fixer upper with a ports

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Speaker 4: where he can obsessively look out for bigfoot. Oh, this

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Speaker 4: view is perfect for using my military grade binoculars. But

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Speaker 4: she's hoping to find a cozy bomb proof bunker within

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Speaker 4: walking distance of area fifty one. Well, I can see

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Speaker 4: the classified aircraft break the laws of physics from here.

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Speaker 2: Will this work from home?

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Speaker 4: Skunkworks test pilot and our astral projectionist husband be able

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Speaker 4: to agree on a lay line positioned home of their

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Speaker 4: cia and planted dreams. It's time to dig up the

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Speaker 4: rude bigas in this episode of Shelter Seekers Poetry.

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Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, so many rudabagas at the shelter.

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Speaker 3: And thank you, of course, folks for celebrating this with us.

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Speaker 3: You know what improv rules say, We're just going to

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Speaker 3: yes and it, So everybody also tune in September eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Let's see if we can make this

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Speaker 3: a thing national Rue de Baga Day. We're so happy

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Speaker 3: to have several conspiracy realists joining us through one method

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Speaker 3: or another on the show. Might not get to everything,

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Speaker 3: but we're gonna have some Latin American conversations while Lahara

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Speaker 3: Panama in particular, maybe a conspiracy about Time Warner. But

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Speaker 3: before we do any of that, Noel, there's something really

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Speaker 3: strange that hit up our inbox.

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Speaker 5: Huh, A little bit strange.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're gonna do kind of one of those

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Speaker 6: wonderful moments where listener mail and strange news meet, involving

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Speaker 6: a very unusual traffic stop that we were hipped to

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Speaker 6: by a delightful listener. Before we get into that, let's

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Speaker 6: jump into a quick word from our sponsor, and then

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Speaker 6: we'll be right back with Digital Sage. And we have

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Speaker 6: returned with our first listener message of the episode from

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Speaker 6: our buddy Digital Sage, we've heard from many times in

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Speaker 6: the past, and he hipped us to a very very

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Speaker 6: fascinating article from the CBC. Hi, Matt Ben and Nole.

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Speaker 6: He says, you can use this on the podcast. Thanks

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Speaker 6: Digital Sage. This is probably the most un common traffic

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Speaker 6: stop I've heard of, and clearly strange news. And then

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Speaker 6: he links us and signs off. Digital says the headline, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: In this article from the CBC, writer Andrew Kurjata, Man

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Speaker 6: arrested after driving child size pink Barbie jeep through Prince George,

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Speaker 6: British Columbia. Now, driving any motorized vehicle, according to Kurjata,

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Speaker 6: without a license is against the law, police say, and

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Speaker 6: they appear to be classifying this tiny What was it,

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Speaker 6: guys hot with power wheels? Remember power wheels?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think that's what we're talking here, is

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Speaker 6: A Prince George man was pulled over by police after

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Speaker 6: driving a child's size pink toy Barbie jeep along one

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Speaker 6: on September fifth. And this is not a slow news

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Speaker 6: day as far as traffic incidents were concerned. We had

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Speaker 6: of all, the dude driving the jeep is a real character.

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Speaker 6: His name is Casper with a K. Lincoln and he's

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Speaker 6: pictured here wearing a delightful platinum chain and the most

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Speaker 2: It looks like the ones Goggins is pushing Goggins goggles.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, so yeah, this guy just seems to be

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Speaker 6: an odd cat Onlookers were shocked when asked about this,

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Speaker 5: She was on Team Casper.

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Speaker 6: It does seem a little interestingly pedantic, like, I mean,

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Speaker 6: She shouts out the window to Urt Buddy Casper, of course,

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Speaker 6: referencing the Chamellionaire song Riding Dirty from two thousand and five,

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Speaker 6: an absolute banger of the era. However, her warning was

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Speaker 6: perhaps was believed to be inebriated, which was verified by

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Speaker 2: Technically, do you need a license to drive a Barbie car?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 6: Certainly not if you're doing it in your own private

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Speaker 5: Oh totally.

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Speaker 2: Can you get a DY for operating a bicycle or another? Yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: As well, you should as well you should attractor a

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Speaker 5: Now that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for the horse.

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Speaker 6: If the horse was, you know, intoxicated, that'd be one thing.

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Speaker 3: Guess it's also it's also a thing where you know,

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Speaker 3: in this case, and thank you so much digital sage.

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Speaker 3: In this case, they probably would have just been like, Hey,

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Speaker 3: get out of here with your dumb college pranks. You

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. You've got your video or your reels.

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Speaker 3: We have real police work to do. But a suspended

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Speaker 5: Not a great combo.

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Speaker 6: And the police did make a statement to the CBC

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Speaker 6: stating that driving an unlicensed motorized vehicle, even one that's

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Speaker 6: made for a child on a road mean for full

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Speaker 6: relations officer, staff Sergeant Chris Clark said that insurance also

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Speaker 6: bend with possible impairment. Kyla Lee, who was spoken to

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Speaker 6: saying that it's a very well established policy that toy

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Speaker 6: have a driver's license in British Columbia for operating any

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Speaker 6: she says, toy cars, electric skateboards or anything like that,

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Speaker 6: it's required to have a license and insurance. And guys,

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Speaker 6: I mean, maybe it's just u thing, but it does

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Speaker 6: I do wonder are there requirements in certain places for like,

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Speaker 6: there's all of these gray areas now with these motorized

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Speaker 5: But they're basically motorcycles. And oh yeah, it's causing some

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Speaker 3: So when we got seriously injured on one of those,

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Speaker 3: You know, you're a danger to yourself others.

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Speaker 5: You nailed it, Ben.

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Speaker 6: Here in Georgia, in particular, a motorized biker an e

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Speaker 6: learner's permit. That's interesting, yes, or permit correct? And you

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Speaker 3: Oh like a lame yeah, thanks government.

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Speaker 5: No, it's true. It's true. Take a take away my liberties.

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Speaker 6: Why don't you and to your point bend here in

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about why it's so important to have

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Speaker 6: Yes, And I don't want to get into this, but

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Speaker 6: somebody brought up a really good point around this, you know,

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Speaker 6: Charlie kirk shooting and all of the spates of in saying,

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Speaker 6: gun violence that we just see on such a regular

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Speaker 6: basis in this country. The idea of a form of

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Speaker 6: gun control could be requiring people to carry insurance, like

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Speaker 6: like a high degree a high level of insurance in

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Speaker 6: the event that you were, you know, wrongfully injured somebody

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Speaker 6: or killed somebody. And I'm not sure exactly how that

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Speaker 6: you know, my gears start turning a little bit about

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Speaker 6: what would that look like, Something that would be like

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Speaker 6: not outright you know, prohibition of firearms, but something that

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Speaker 2: is that the reason why it's required to have insurance

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Speaker 2: so that you can pay them.

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Speaker 5: Not a right to any point. And that's why the

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Speaker 5: Do we have a.

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Speaker 3: Well, also, a gun is not gonna take it on

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Speaker 5: If you can call it that. Hey, now you knock

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Speaker 6: Paulo is speaking to the to the fine people out there.

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Speaker 6: According to Mattel, the Barbie jeep wrangler from Fisher Price,

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Speaker 6: they must license the Barbie stuff to Fisher Price. Can

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Speaker 6: you know, in their power wheels. Barbie jeep Wrangler. However,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great quote. You don't mind me.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge public safety risk. If you're using it

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Speaker 6: To be fair, they are very short. It would be

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Speaker 3: Yep, especially with the powder of cars becoming larger and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said he was using the hand signals and everything.

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Speaker 6: Yes, they don't have like signals. Do you think these

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Speaker 6: and it's like a Grand Theft Auto video game, you know,

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Speaker 5: I mean the police suv. It's like a Chevy suv.

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Speaker 6: You can see the flashers on and this is right

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Speaker 5: Over his shoulder. Just cal him as a cucumber. It's

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Speaker 7: Hey guys, this is the plant Queen here. This is

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Speaker 7: my second time calling, but I have some interesting stuff

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Speaker 7: for you guys. If you look over on the tiki talk,

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Speaker 7: there is a handle user by the name of ken

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Speaker 7: Panama kas and Kilo is is an igloo and is

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Speaker 7: in Nancy, Panama, Papa Alpa, Nancy Alpha, Mary Alpha. Take

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, thank you so much. Plant queen. Guess what

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Speaker 2: we're gonna look at it right now. We found an

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Speaker 2: posted on September fourteenth, twenty twenty five, written by Victor Cohen.

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Speaker 2: Look that up. Go ahead, we'll give you a second

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Speaker 3: Ah, but we're looking at movement after it's being moved

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the upside It's like someone took the

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Speaker 2: height than the plate itself than whatever that rock or

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00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: potato or whatever it was is there, and it is

439
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: this writhing moving The whole thing appears to be shifting

440
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: back and forth. Very creepy, not cool.

441
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Speaker 5: In fact, it's it's very the thing.

442
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: Yes, do you want to talk a little bit about

443
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 3: the description of the smell?

444
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: Oh, now that is where we start to get into

445
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: the more skeptical version of what this could be. How

446
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: talk about the smell?

447
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: Ben So, according to kin Panama, there was a the

448
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: thing that he discovered had a burning smell, and the

449
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: burning smell seemed to intensify.

450
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: So we've got this big writhing thing that is smelling

451
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: of burning and just hanging out, you know, in this

452
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: guy's house. I thing keeps taking videos of it. According

453
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: to the story, he's reached out to experts to try

454
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: and come and look at this thing to discover what

455
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: it is, to no reply. So we're still on this

456
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: TikTok journey with our creator there, kin Panama. If you

457
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: go all the way down, guys, there's what I'm looking

458
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: at as a final video or in the series. Here

459
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: at least of a small safe, you know, the kind

460
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: you might find in a hotel room that you can

461
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: very small sized safe open up with the numbers. The

462
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: entire safe appears to be filled with this viscousy black

463
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: thing that is very much from the thing, and it

464
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: is still moving and just hanging out in this guy's

465
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: house and this at this point he's illuminating it with

466
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: a flashlight, so it looks even creepier than it maybe

467
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: even needs to be pretty creepy stuff, Guys, any other

468
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: thoughts on what this potentially could be or how these

469
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: videos could have been created Before we get into, like

470
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Speaker 2: some of the explanations that have been put out there.

471
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Speaker 3: Practical effects, without assuming malevolence or purposeful dishonesty, I would

472
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: say Panama is a very biodiverse place. We would want

473
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Speaker 3: to we would want to coordinate or we'd want to

474
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: correlate rather whether or not there was any unusual meteor

475
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: activity like a shower or something before this was discovered.

476
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 3: And then we would also want to acknowledge that there's

477
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Speaker 3: a lot of weird stuff just on the ground in

478
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Speaker 3: Panama to start.

479
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Speaker 2: With, Yes, a lot of weird things that have been

480
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: put out there as potential explanations, such as the clathorus

481
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: a sherry or the octopus stinkhorn by several other names. Yes,

482
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 2: it is a type of fungus that sprouts from what

483
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: looks like you may say a potato, maybe a mushroom

484
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: that's just very a bulbous mushroom, but it sprouts these

485
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: five sometimes looking tentacles, but they're usually red and black.

486
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes it creates a really interesting structure that's almost like,

487
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you describe it, besides a dome

488
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: that has holes in it, that grows outwardly and upward,

489
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: and it also puts off a terrible stink, and that's

490
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: on purpose to attract flies and other animals to come

491
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Speaker 2: over to it that it can then move its spores

492
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: around via you know, the mechanisms of those flies or

493
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: other bugs. And you know, when people are putting out

494
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: that explanation, they're also saying, ah, when you see stuff moving,

495
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: like even when it's under the plate, where you're actually

496
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: seeing are creatures, bugs that have made a little home

497
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: inside this decaying thing, this fungus, as it's growing, but

498
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: also as it's decaying and turning that black, kind of

499
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: gooey look like let's say a worm or a small

500
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: beetle or something is moving around in there, creating the

501
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: entire structure, the entire thing to move and appear to

502
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Speaker 2: have sentience.

503
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 3: Almost right, right, And you guys know, I'm fascinated with

504
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: mycology in general, so I don't put anything past fungus.

505
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: To be honest, it's one of the most alien life

506
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: forms out there. But people would also respond likely that

507
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: the devil's finger oct to a stinkhorn if you prefer

508
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: is not. It wasn't generally known to be in Central America, right,

509
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: I know it came to North America.

510
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: Well, that is not the only stinkhorn in the game.

511
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of weird fungus out there that makes

512
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: weird smells, that makes weird protrusions, that you know, decays

513
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: in a slimy dark way. So you know, there's all

514
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: these possibilities out there of what it could be. Maybe

515
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: it's not that, but it sure looks to be something

516
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: kind of like that. We should mention that. At one point,

517
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: he says in one of the videos that authorities have

518
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: come out and taken samples. And that's right before the

519
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: time when you get to see the safe with like

520
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: the full blown I'm gonna say, creature is hanging out

521
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: in the in there. Ultimately, I guess what I'm trying

522
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: to get at Plant Queen guys, everybody is that this

523
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: is a compelling series of videos that seems really cool.

524
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: And if some one is making the videos that either

525
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: doesn't have enough information to explain what is occurring or

526
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: wants you to think that something else is occurring, you

527
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: could make this series of videos with that type of fungus, right,

528
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: that makes sense?

529
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: And then also I would add and folks, please, this

530
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: is important for all of us to remember. There are

531
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: still a lot of fungal life forms that have not

532
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: been collected or identified by science, which is why you

533
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: should be very careful if you're ever foraging in the wild.

534
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: So it is also possible. We don't have confirmation yet,

535
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: I believe, but it is also possible that this is

536
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: just the first time this specific thing has been on film.

537
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: Ah could be, It absolutely could be. Or as one

538
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: astute redditor high Strangeness said, and can you can find

539
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: this on another Columbia one dot com article, the title

540
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: is sorry everybody, redditor debunk viral Panama alien meteorite TikTok case.

541
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean it's conclusive, but it does mean

542
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: that somebody high Strangeness in this case stepped forward and

543
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: gave what appears to be a pretty good explanation, And

544
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: it goes back to what you said, Noel, potentially some

545
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: kind of effects, right, practical effects, and a specific silicon

546
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: based polymer known as p d MS, and another solvent, hexane,

547
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: which can be used to create this wriggling breathing movements

548
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: because of the when you combine these two things and

549
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: they would look that certain way and it would smell

550
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: like burning.

551
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 6: How are the MythBusters guys not on this? This is

552
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 6: exactly the best stuff that's right up there alley.

553
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: They don't really hang out with each other anymore.

554
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 6: One of them is always on the Corridor Crew show,

555
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 6: and I guess that don't hang out, but like separately

556
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: they're still doing some stuff. But like I don't know

557
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 6: if you guys have seen this YouTube series, it's like

558
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: THEFX artists kind of taking apart like famous VFX shots

559
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 6: and dissecting which parts are CGI and which parts are practical.

560
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 5: And he's often on there talking about this kind of thing.

561
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 5: I think they get a kick out of this. They

562
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: have a field day with it.

563
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Well, what we really need is Captain Disillusion. Do you

564
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: remember that gentleman Captain Disillusion. He was a YouTuber gosh,

565
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: way back in the day when we were on YouTube

566
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: all the time. He puts on this really cool makeup

567
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: where he's like, he looks like Silver Surfer from the

568
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: cheeks down. Have you ever seen this guy? He's amazing.

569
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: He goes through and he debunks a lot of videos

570
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: that you'll find on YouTube and other places. I'm assuming TikTok.

571
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: Now it's been a while, Captain Disillusion. Sorry, awesome human being,

572
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: and I hope that he's out there at least doing

573
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: this video at some point, because he just he'll show

574
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: you how was the video effect used here to create

575
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: this or how was this practical effect used to create

576
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: this thing? But maybe again we have to keep in mind,

577
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: maybe something weird was found in Panama and that's what

578
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: we're actually dealing with. I don't know. Plant Queen, thanks

579
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: for sending us this strange thing. We hope we gave

580
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: you some stuff to think about, and we look forward

581
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: to hearing from you again and everybody else who has

582
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: already called in and will call in for now. We'll

583
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 2: be right back with more messages from you.

584
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: And we have returned. Folks, Guys, I was on the

585
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: fence about this when because there are a couple of

586
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: different directions we can go in, but just for time,

587
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: I want to share a corporate conspiracy that comes to

588
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: us from our former friendly neighborhood Wi Fi guy. And

589
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: then and then we'll get into one more thing at

590
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: the very very end that we keep teasing. Okay, here

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00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: we go. Hi, I'm writing to you after listening a

592
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,200
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596
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Speaker 3: on his customer approval rating. This made me remember a

597
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Speaker 3: conspiracy I had long forgotten about. Time Warner Cable now

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Speaker 3: Spectrum has reviews you can leave for their employees as well,

599
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Speaker 3: a former WiFi guy, you have structured this like one

602
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Speaker 3: after every interaction with TWC now Spectrum, you have the

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Speaker 3: we'll pause here because guys, we've talked a little bit

609
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Speaker 3: about this in the past. I I'm sure we've all

610
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Speaker 3: experienced these often, especially big companies. I always do the survey.

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Speaker 3: It takes a lot for me to say someone is bad,

612
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: and I always thought it does help the employee for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do as well, you know, I do not.

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Speaker 2: I really do not. However, because of my recent interaction

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Speaker 2: with Hyundai, I learned that the compensation for a lot

616
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Speaker 2: of the employees is directly tied to those things, okay,

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620
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Speaker 3: fellow human being, just honestly, And that's not the dunk

627
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Speaker 3: on people it's just what happens. Here's where things get

628
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: really interesting for Wi Fi Guy. He says the scale

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Speaker 3: wasn't always one through five. For many years it was

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Speaker 3: the instructions at the beginning of the prompt, which no

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Speaker 5: What deus, Oh my god, devious.

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Speaker 3: Or it is cartoonishly dumb designed. So many employees, as

640
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641
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Speaker 3: survey when the well intentioned customer was tried to give

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Speaker 3: were exemplary at their job. And now you continue, Free

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Speaker 3: Wi Fi Guy these bad reviews, whether intentional or not,

650
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Speaker 3: are calculated with all your other reviews for your personal

651
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Speaker 3: your bonus customer ratings averaged with four or five other

654
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: grades from things like your attendance, productivity, et cetera, et cetera,

655
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: and just getting this one from this one to ten

656
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: snappho or conspiracy was enough to put you in the

657
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: bad kid crowd. At the end of the year, everybody

658
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: complained to management. They said, this is unfair. It's out

659
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: of our control. Look at all these ones they're supposed

660
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: to be tens. This counts against or money, This counts

661
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: against our pay I don't know. At this point, do

662
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: you think, okay, before we continue with Wi Fi the listeners, guys,

663
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: do we think this is just incompetent design and oversight

664
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: or does it feel purposeful?

665
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it sounds like they're letting management know, hey,

666
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: this is this is a significant issue, and it sounds

667
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: like management said, uh.

668
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, they tell you.

669
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 6: What it more makes me think of is like the

670
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 6: inefficiency of a lot of these kind of robo menu

671
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 6: systems where I don't know if you've ever been on

672
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 6: one where you have the option to either saying a

673
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: number out loud or entering it by hand.

674
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 5: And a lot of times like.

675
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 6: I'll be on I'll be on speaker because you know,

676
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 6: we're doing other things over on these holds, and it

677
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 6: will register any tap or any tiny little sound as

678
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 6: an input, and then all of a sudden it'll pause

679
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 6: and get confused and you'll have to start over again.

680
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 5: And I would imagine the.

681
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 6: Same thing applies to like space between inputs, you know,

682
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 6: because to your point, like I mean, most of the

683
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 6: menu options on these things are single digit numbers.

684
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and they have to be because of

685
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: the nature of the phone keypad design, right. But I

686
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 3: would add to this the caveat that we always have

687
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: to say, there is a big push now for you

688
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: to not manually input numbers or information. The automated lines

689
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: will imply that you have to speak, and that is

690
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: being recorded and often turned into another revenue streap. So

691
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 3: do you want to pay these people while you're paying them?

692
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: I certainly don't. And I've got to tell you it's

693
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: insidious how I've seen so many companies just have the

694
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: manual entry option hidden beneath a bevy of things, and

695
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: they keep pretending that you have to say one. I

696
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: don't have to say anything, man, that's right.

697
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: Just hit zero over and over and over zero.

698
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: Sometimes it works.

699
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: I just despise these things where it's like the menu

700
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 6: is so long and it's changed or menu has changed,

701
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 6: and the thing that you really want is the very

702
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 6: end of it. So spamming zero is often just like

703
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 6: a move out of desperation and frustration.

704
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: And it often works an I'll give you another hack here.

705
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: This is an unethical hack, okay, but it does work

706
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: for some companies. If you have an operator or agent

707
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: or pushing zero. If that's not working for you, start cursing,

708
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: use really strong bad language.

709
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: What happens.

710
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: Then it gets you to a human. Often it used to.

711
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if that always works. You know, like

712
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: the Captain crunch whistle used to be great for hacking phones,

713
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: but then somebody blew up the spot.

714
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. But it is a great thing

715
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: you could do. This is a nice thing you could

716
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: do for somebody. Do all the cursing up front like that,

717
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: and then as soon as a human talks to you,

718
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: yours just the coolest, nicest customer ever.

719
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know me too, well, Matt, that is

720
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: that is a tactic deployed. Also, my last question on

721
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: that one is when they say, oh, this part of

722
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: this conversation and blah blah blah interaction maybe used for

723
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: training purposes. Are they still talking about just training human

724
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: employees or are they taking that recording that audio data

725
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: and using it to train bots.

726
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: Agenta AAI agentic AAI.

727
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, says free Wi Fi guy.

728
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: So they went to management, like we're saying, and they

729
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: acknowledged this was a problem. Sounds good, right. Corporate would

730
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 3: tell us they were looking into it, but for many

731
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: years nothing ever changed, and eventually they told us it

732
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: was just too difficult to change in the system. The

733
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: attitude from them was that they're essentially telling us to

734
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: just do better at everything else and you won't be

735
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: on the line, so this shouldn't affect you. The problem

736
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: with the response is that many of the technicians who

737
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: work for the company are skilled with computers and programming,

738
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: at least enough to know how easy it would be

739
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: to change the system. Some of these folks were the

740
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: people who created the feedback line in the first place. However,

741
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: Time Warner Spectrum was so committed to sticking with the

742
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: flawed system that they went so far as to start

743
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: handing out nine is fine buttons that we could wear,

744
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: encouraging customers to just give all nines and avoid that

745
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: issue of accidental ones.

746
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

747
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: This went on for years before they finally changed the

748
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: scale to one to five and eliminated the main issue,

749
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: though customers upset with the company as a whole still

750
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: leave all one star reviews time to time, But for years,

751
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: thousands of employees received slightly lower raises or no rais

752
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: at all, which, when added up, could have saved the

753
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: company tens of thousands of dollars probably more, just by

754
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: creating a game the employees had to play with no

755
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: way to control their pieces. Makes you wonder how many

756
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: other companies are out there doing this or have done

757
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: something similar in an attempt to justify low or no raises.

758
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: See their former free Wi Fi guy. There at least

759
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: you have convinced me or you've gotten me a little

760
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: bit more towards the side of on purpose or purposeful conspiracy,

761
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: because they're telling the people who built the feedback line

762
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: that it's too complex to fix it, and then there

763
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: do you think there? I think it's quite possible there

764
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 3: was a backroom deal where they calculated what might happen

765
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: to yearly raises and bonuses if they fix the system.

766
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: I think it's cost benefit analysis.

767
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: How can we afford to pay all these nines? Too

768
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: many nines?

769
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 5: Nines?

770
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 3: I mean, we we know this kind of stuff happens

771
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: across industries and across corporations. One of the well, you know,

772
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 3: we host a thinking show about conspiracies, but in corporate America,

773
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 3: you know, there are all kinds of little conspiracies about

774
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: seeing what's on the horizon, knowing something's in the wind,

775
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: Like the snacks in the break room get less and

776
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: less cool or disappear entirely right, or the year end

777
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: party gets a little a little more subdued, right as

778
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: the company gets closer to being sold.

779
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: Stuff like that.

780
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: I've maybe seen something like that.

781
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: I've maybe seen Yeah, yeah, our company used to ball out.

782
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 5: We used to go to ESPN.

783
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: So dude, did we ever we went?

784
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: Once?

785
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: We went one time.

786
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever did a DMB day.

787
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: No, no, and we burned you and I know, we

788
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: burned a lot of political capital on that one. You know,

789
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 3: I was bringing it up in every meeting.

790
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Can you imagine all of us at Andretti's racing around

791
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: the track?

792
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: I can, I can ur sleeate. Dylan and I are

793
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: actually putting together a bowling thing. Oh and looking into falconry.

794
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: But that's that's the big swing.

795
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: That's a big swing. Man. Get one of those hats.

796
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, not committing to falconry, experiencing it

797
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: for a pleasant afternoon. Dylan, are we where are we

798
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: at with that?

799
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 5: Man?

800
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: Oh? The falcon arrives at down all right?

801
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: The falconer one of the best sketches on SNL ever.

802
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: Also, Dylan, can you let the falcon know don doesn't

803
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 3: work for me? Can we do ten to fifteen?

804
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? He can move some things around?

805
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 5: All right? Awesome?

806
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: Thanks, Now it's time scheduling with no seriously, I'm obsessed

807
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: with falconry and breaking news. Looks like the falcon has

808
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: confirmed ten fifteen it is, Thank you so much.

809
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat.

810
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, pay for the whole seat, you only need the edge. Guys,

811
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: do we think shnanny like this being described here? With spectrum.

812
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: Do we think it could be common in other industries.

813
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: I feel like we need some folks who have had

814
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: experience in call centers to give us the give us

815
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: an email, and give us the skinny.

816
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 6: I completely agree, and I do wonder if there is

817
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 6: a whole potential episode for stuff that don't want you

818
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 6: to know about call centers. We've certainly talked about like

819
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 6: the Fraternal Order of Police and a lot of the

820
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 6: sort of scamming activities around those, but I'm certain it

821
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 6: goes deeper and that there are other examples that are

822
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 6: worth talking about.

823
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: I think we should spread it out to any industry

824
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: where there are feedmal reviews.

825
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever you did right, retail anything, retail McKenzie consulting,

826
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: you know all the hits.

827
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: I also, I mean this is sort of related, but

828
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 6: I would love to know a little bit more about

829
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 6: the psychology of the way those menus are programmed and

830
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 6: designed to sort of be as unhelpful as possible, if

831
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 6: that is in fact part of the design or what.

832
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: The Because I just mad.

833
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 6: It makes me want to scream into a pillow.

834
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are definitely a lot of thought goes into

835
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: decision trees and to creating barriers to manage customer flow. Right,

836
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: So it's supposed to take somebody X amount of minutes

837
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: to complete a call, but it's supposed to take them

838
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: why amount of time to try to get to where

839
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: they're going, because otherwise the calls would be just through

840
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: the roof.

841
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 5: Right.

842
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: That's that's a calculation for some of these things. And

843
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 3: I've I've personally seen some really ethically questionable kind of

844
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: situations like that decisions trees, especially in disaster management, like

845
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, people were filing a

846
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: lot of claims regarding activities by oil companies, right, and

847
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: industrial giants, and so these giants would contract out to

848
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: third party systems that we get a script where they

849
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: pretend to be you know, insert oil company here or whatever,

850
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: and then they have a list of things that sound

851
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: like they're doing something, but they are not in fact

852
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: doing something. They're putting you your name on a list

853
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: that a group of lawyers will read several years later.

854
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: And it gets really crappy when you know people are

855
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: calling lines like that or insurance companies because nine to

856
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: one one was overloaded and they had to find something

857
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: that could answer the phone, like this is. This gets deeper,

858
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, the more you look at it, and Friendly

859
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: Neighborhood Wi Fi Guy, thank you so much for hipping

860
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: us to this. We're gonna keep it short. Do believe

861
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: this could be an episode. We'd love to hear your

862
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: thoughts on it. Check out our related interview segments with

863
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: Denise Chan, who did a fantastic investigation of forced labor

864
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: in call centers, especially in Myanmar and other parts of

865
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: that region. We will have a full episode on the

866
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Guadlajara disappearances, but for now, big thanks and friendly neighborhood

867
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: Wi Fi Guy, Plant Queen, Digital Stage and everybody else

868
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: who wrote in. We're gonna call it an evening. We're

869
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: off to activigate. We can't wait to hear from you.

870
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 3: Join the show. Find us. You can go online and

871
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: give it some email. You can give us a call,

872
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: it's right.

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Speaker 6: You can find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff where

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Speaker 6: we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where

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Speaker 6: it gets crazy, on xfka, Twitter, and on YouTube where

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Speaker 6: we have video content for YouTube, Cruise and enjoy on

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Speaker 6: Instagram and TikTok. However, we're Conspiracy Stuff Show.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 2: three st d WYTK. When do you call in? I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna let the cat out of the bag here, guys,

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Speaker 2: there's currently no time limit on the voicemail. We ask

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Speaker 2: you kindly to keep it to three minutes. It has

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Speaker 2: changed and we've received several fifteen minute voicemails recently that

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Speaker 2: we just can't use on the air. So please, if

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Speaker 2: you want to talk to us, keep it as short

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Speaker 2: as you can, just to increase the probability that we'll

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Speaker 2: be able to actually address everything you have to say

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Speaker 2: on the show. If you've got more to say then

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Speaker 2: can fit in a three minute voicemail. Why not instead

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Speaker 2: send us an email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive, no matter how short, no matter how long.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I just get an email that says, look at this,

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Speaker 3: we love it. Sometimes get an email that is a

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Speaker 3: very well thought out essay, love that as well. Send

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Speaker 3: us the links, send us the attachment, send us the pictures,

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Speaker 3: and thanks for that Ruda Bega video. Anonymous conspiracy realist

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Speaker 3: Dylan let us know it made his day. All that

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Speaker 3: and more. Just be aware that sometimes the void does

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Speaker 3: right back. So play some reindeer games with us out

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Speaker 3: here in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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