Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty six,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily.
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Speaker 1: And it is Tuesday, February twentieth, twenty twenty four gets
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Speaker 1: And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 2: It's Miles grayk the Lord of Lancashim. You already know
Speaker 2: it's the real Nojo Hank because I'm from NoHo and
Speaker 2: you can take that to the bank. Uh. And I'm
Speaker 2: also bald, so that kind of also works too. Anyway,
Speaker 2: shout out to just me in North Hollywood. I'm at
Speaker 2: the time. I'm I'm I'm I'm not out. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: in the real world right now. You're out about in
Speaker 2: atl Georgia. Yeah, we do for you exactly. I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: if you look like I said, I'm on that kryptonite,
Speaker 2: as everybody knows, so find me there. Yeah. Well, it's
Speaker 2: great to have you. It does. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: so much. Sounds like I got a little jet leg
Speaker 2: Joe Namath in there is. Are you feeling a little less? Well?
Speaker 2: Three hours is nothing, you know, and I could care
Speaker 2: less about my No, you know, I'm not. No, three
Speaker 2: hours isn't bad. I'm not like that. One doesn't throw
Speaker 2: me off at all. Three hours because it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the difference between like being a scumbag or having
Speaker 2: a shit together. It's like I'm just kind of slept
Speaker 2: in late or or you come back and you're like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go with fucking six in the morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I I like that.
Speaker 1: I like my inability to deal with time changes being
Speaker 1: having my shit together.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. No, I'm saying the Wade expresses itself
Speaker 2: like when you're up earlier. It's not like I'm like fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm all up, but like the like a you know,
Speaker 2: responsible morning person time. Yeah yeah, yeah, which is good
Speaker 2: for me because I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 1: Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third
Speaker 1: seat by a very talented producer, musicians, streamer, esports commentator,
Speaker 1: one of the very first people to.
Speaker 2: Work on this show with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's constantly streaming everything because he is that bitch
Speaker 1: on Twitch. He's a resident gaming expert.
Speaker 2: It's DJ Dannel good Man.
Speaker 3: A ka East Coast Daniel coming in live. Beep beep,
Speaker 3: I'm walking here.
Speaker 2: In New York. Light of the mix? How is it
Speaker 2: going one hundred in the house? That was? That was?
Speaker 2: That is incredible? That was good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and several other New York related things.
Speaker 2: Is d one hundred New York?
Speaker 1: I forget I've lived in some new I had a
Speaker 1: Z ninety three in Dayton, Ohio. Shout up to Z
Speaker 1: ninety three. That was the cool station when I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve, But yeah, that brought me back.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, so you're embracing. Look, people who don't know, Look,
Speaker 2: Daniel is West Coasting. You know, he's born and raised
Speaker 2: in l A. And now he's living he's relocated to
Speaker 2: the big, Big Apple, and we shouldn't give away actually,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't give away his location like that. That's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's in a B city in the East Coast.
Speaker 2: You are in the you're in the Lower east Side.
Speaker 3: And you're going on house.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to let our guests know that we
Speaker 1: have a tracker on that.
Speaker 2: Wait, but you I'm sorry. The thing that caught my
Speaker 2: attention is you're identifying as East Coast Daniel.
Speaker 3: Now it's just kind of a joke because now that
Speaker 3: I've moved to the East Coast, my friends have said
Speaker 3: I'm more salty, and they called me East Coast Dannel
Speaker 3: anytime I pushed back even a little bit in the
Speaker 3: wow yow wow, Okay, East Coast Daniel coming out.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, salty?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, I had to wear a jacket today.
Speaker 2: All right, I had to wear a jacket today. Exactly
Speaker 2: my feet became Tim's. It's crazy quite literally, foot is
Speaker 2: a Tim Now it's all Black air Force one facts.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm really selling drugs out here with my
Speaker 3: all black forces. That's around the corner.
Speaker 2: Have you. I don't know if you saw. There's like
Speaker 2: there's like this whole wave of like older people on
Speaker 2: social media who are discovering what the all like black
Speaker 2: on black air Force means. There's like a teacher, that's all.
Speaker 2: It is, like principal TikTok, like, yeah, my students were
Speaker 2: like complimenting my sneaker game. And then some people just
Speaker 2: started being like, oh your trouble, and She's like I
Speaker 2: thought I just had a cool sneaker on, and then
Speaker 2: I found out this is a boon shoe.
Speaker 1: That I was associated with. Referees and priests. Right, they're
Speaker 1: black on black sneaker. Just wait, priests wear black on
Speaker 1: black sneakers. They're not wearing leather shoe. I mean they
Speaker 1: like sometimes most often I'd say they wear the like
Speaker 1: etonic all medically designed, all black. Yeah, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: like got like nurse shoes or whatever. But I've definitely
Speaker 1: seen I remember growing up in the church thinking like,
Speaker 1: why do priests and referees shop at the same shoe store?
Speaker 2: How can we never and how can we never see
Speaker 2: them together at the same time. My priests is God's referee.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying exactly, Dan. I don't think
Speaker 2: I have to tell you this now that you're on
Speaker 2: the East Coast, But stay preyed up, stay prayed up, man,
Speaker 2: Stay up, bro, please right bro. I doubled over. I
Speaker 2: doubled over in my chair. I stay preyed up.
Speaker 1: That was stay preyed up. I mean that's like a
Speaker 1: week and a half old at this point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, rather than eat, pray, love, stay preyed up,
Speaker 2: stay preyed up.
Speaker 1: Thank you wonderful or you didn't get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, let's tell
Speaker 1: the listeners just like, what what you're here to talk
Speaker 1: about today? I can I can?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Say, we've been having AI and tech experts on yeah, and.
Speaker 2: When we're like when does a new GTA come out?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Loser?
Speaker 2: Doctor?
Speaker 1: Why do you keep putting doctor in quotes whenever you
Speaker 1: say this because I.
Speaker 2: Didn't know you had doctor? When's the new g TA
Speaker 2: come out? Then? If you're so fucking smart? Hey sing
Speaker 2: the lyrics the asap rocky song that was on the
Speaker 2: GTA five track soundtrack, Go Go.
Speaker 1: No, okay, but yeah, you know, in between doing gloom
Speaker 1: conversations about like job loss, and conversations asking hey remember
Speaker 1: and terminator two when terminators like come with me if
Speaker 1: you want to live?
Speaker 2: Remember that? Is that gonna happen?
Speaker 1: We asked one I think it was our first AI
Speaker 1: expert asked him what made him hope?
Speaker 2: Hopeful.
Speaker 1: You know what, what's the good thing that AI could
Speaker 1: bring to the world, right, And he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: a gamer, and I think it's gonna make games sick,
Speaker 1: make and so I'm just kind of viewing that you
Speaker 1: are plugged into the world of gaming. Yes, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to talk to you about like where we're at in
Speaker 1: this moment. You know, AI hasn't fully plugged into the
Speaker 1: gaming world, but it seems like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cool shit on the horizon his way.
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a gaming insider's point of view. But
Speaker 1: before we do any of that bullshit, it Dan, Well,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history?
Speaker 3: Well recently, my most recent one was ikea eket help
Speaker 3: reddit because let me tell you something, there's no better
Speaker 3: place to learn about the things you're doing wrong when
Speaker 3: you're building something on Ikea than to search the name
Speaker 3: of the device or thing plus help plus reddit, because
Speaker 3: when you're building five of the same cabinet and you
Speaker 3: fuck up the first one, you're like, I gotta I
Speaker 3: have to see what I did wrong here and come
Speaker 3: back and try a count.
Speaker 2: I have to see what Reddit has to say. Did
Speaker 2: you do? I mean as someone who would do a
Speaker 2: lot of like promotional marketing and have to like buy
Speaker 2: cheap IKEA stuff for a display, I know this product well,
Speaker 2: oh cabinet yes, yes, yes, and the two door cabinet
Speaker 2: was shelf yeah, or the even more minimal one which
Speaker 2: is like the one cube box that sometimes people would
Speaker 2: use for like a cool product display. What went wrong
Speaker 2: with I? For me, I believe that it's a simple assembly,
Speaker 2: but what exactly what had occurred? It is?
Speaker 3: It is a simple assembly. I will say the square
Speaker 3: the small squares are are shockingly simple. They are. But
Speaker 3: the thing about the two door shelf one is that
Speaker 3: if you don't level those doors correctly, if you don't
Speaker 3: level that shelf correctly before you put those doors in,
Speaker 3: you're getting some doors that are like like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: some doors that are like that. You look back and
Speaker 3: you're like doors that are what did we do?
Speaker 2: Kill? Doors?
Speaker 3: Doors? The doors that are like you close it in,
Speaker 3: one is just a little bit above the other, and
Speaker 3: it's enough so that it's like I can't look at
Speaker 3: that all the time. Yeah, they need to be level yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's it's only when you go to Reddit and
Speaker 3: search the actual instructions that someone tells you. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know how they tell you to do it in this order,
Speaker 3: don't do it in that order. Don't put the little
Speaker 3: things that hold things in place in in the middle.
Speaker 3: Only do that at the end, when you're holding everything
Speaker 3: in place, you have the doors level, then slip in
Speaker 3: the little black clips that hold their everything in place,
Speaker 3: because otherwise you will have it in that level, you
Speaker 3: won't have your doors set in yet, and the whole
Speaker 3: thing could look fucked up. And that's what happened. So,
Speaker 3: you know, a little disappointing argument. Later, we figured it
Speaker 3: out and then we basically built four cabinets in the
Speaker 3: time it took us to build the first cabinet.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you and you and your lovely partner did survive,
Speaker 2: and Ikia, we did.
Speaker 3: We did for you, We did for you. It was
Speaker 3: you know what we we u We're stronger for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pouring down love to hear that, love
Speaker 2: to hear that that's for you. Guys.
Speaker 1: Were you able to like unbuild and reassemble the one
Speaker 1: that didn't Because I've had some issues with Ikia stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, we're fucked now. The wooden pin
Speaker 1: or what the little wooden nub that held us in
Speaker 1: place invocably fucked? Yeah, I can't get that out. We're done.
Speaker 1: This is just how we live now.
Speaker 3: Thankfully with a little flat iron or a yeah, flat
Speaker 3: iron screwdriver. What was it called? Flathead?
Speaker 2: Flat flathead?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Flat iron is wow? So New York pilled
Speaker 3: New York or pilled over here, flatted screwdriver. I was
Speaker 3: able to pull out some of those black pins, enable
Speaker 3: to kind of recenter the whole thing and then slip
Speaker 3: them back in, So it was no big deal. It
Speaker 3: just took a little bit of redditing and a little
Speaker 3: bit of come on.
Speaker 2: What's that one? What's that one?
Speaker 1: The statue of liberty? A screwdriver phillips phillips it phillips head. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a statue of liberty because I'm
Speaker 1: from New York.
Speaker 2: Here, you got me, I'm screwing.
Speaker 3: It screwdriver Yankees head exactly, I'm on mets head, screwdriver.
Speaker 2: He burrows or something.
Speaker 1: Anyways, it's wildly offensive to anybody from New York.
Speaker 2: What it beat up?
Speaker 3: Instantly on I haven't already anyway.
Speaker 2: It's the flatteeron screwdriver.
Speaker 1: Guy, You're gonna park your car somewhere and turn around,
Speaker 1: and then when you come back, it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: on bricks. Ye oh yeah, that's classip car.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna break down your zip car, man, exactly.
Speaker 3: What h What's something you think is overrated? Overrated? Fancy
Speaker 3: chili Crisp. I've been seeing a lot of these as
Speaker 3: I'm doing my shopping. I've been seeing a lot of
Speaker 3: fly by Jing. I've been seeing a lot of these
Speaker 3: other chili crisp companies that are charging like fifteen dollars
Speaker 3: for a tiny little bottle of chili crisp. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: please scoot over, Laogan Ma only please getting a big
Speaker 3: old jar for the fridge, because, as you know, being
Speaker 3: a New York guy, now, we had to rebuild an
Speaker 3: entire pantry, and one of the most crucial items in
Speaker 3: my pantry is, of course the Laugama chili Crisp.
Speaker 2: If it ain't got if it ain't got that face
Speaker 2: on it, bro, you know what I'm saying. We really
Speaker 2: do a big face chili Crisp jars.
Speaker 3: Out here, big faces only. Yeah, But it was just
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's like you go to
Speaker 3: the store and you see like six different kinds that
Speaker 3: are all four times as much as a smaller or
Speaker 3: as like the same size bottle of Lagaman, Like why
Speaker 3: why even do this? Why even try and sell this
Speaker 3: product that is so like far inferior to the og
Speaker 3: og lau gama, So shout out lagam. This is more
Speaker 3: like it's not the thing is, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like it's almost an underrated but it's not because
Speaker 3: Loagama is I think perfectly rated. It's that all of
Speaker 3: this other shit is completely overrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those things too, where it's
Speaker 2: like if you're used to buying chili crisp or cooking
Speaker 2: with it and then like this because I know, like
Speaker 2: the person I think is from like Chengdu or sorr
Speaker 2: family's from Chengdu, who does fly by Jing where you're
Speaker 2: kind of like but there is already a version of that,
Speaker 2: and I get the marketing's better for this, but sure, okay,
Speaker 2: but that's how so many things Welcome to the New World, man,
Speaker 2: amen Amen.
Speaker 1: Logo is like, you know, it's great, like the woman
Speaker 1: is just looking without any completely joy, just yeah, dead eyed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just couldn't care less for me as I look
Speaker 1: at this, you know, just like it's like, why are
Speaker 1: you interrupting me? I'm making chili crisp. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I needed to take a picture for the logo. It's
Speaker 1: so authentically like just something that could not have possibly
Speaker 1: been created in the United States, right, No, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Well because you need sort of like this happens. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like with my old older Asian relatives, they
Speaker 2: don't know how to pose for a picture, like pose
Speaker 2: for one, you know what I mean, They'll be in
Speaker 2: a fucking picture, but they don't know they don't pose.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like every time we take like pictures
Speaker 2: of my aunts and uncles, they're just like and we're
Speaker 2: looking at the camera and it's but there's no like geeze,
Speaker 2: like let me do with like a fucking pose or
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, and this one just truly has
Speaker 2: When you're looking off camera too, like like she is
Speaker 2: on the jar, it's like.
Speaker 1: A thousand yards stare. No smile, like not a not
Speaker 1: a face that is not currently smiling, a face that
Speaker 1: has not smiled and maybe decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the furrowed brow is like, sorry, I got
Speaker 2: my eye on a batch. I'm cooking up right now?
Speaker 2: Are we done here?
Speaker 3: Truly?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you? I need to get cooking.
Speaker 1: There's also there's a European maybe it's I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1: I saw it a lot in Italy, but a European
Speaker 1: beer brand that I drank a lot when I was
Speaker 1: young and in Italy, and the guy on the logo
Speaker 1: appears to be weeping into his beer like he looks so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm already yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like I just couldn't couldn't look any sadder.
Speaker 1: But in America, like you look at the Quaker Oats
Speaker 1: guy and he like he's just like he looks so
Speaker 1: pleased to see you, and it's just like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was probably you know, it went through a huge round
Speaker 1: of design and focus group testing, like can we make
Speaker 1: his smile a little bit more serene, a little bit
Speaker 1: more like just letting you know, everything's gonna be all,
Speaker 1: that death doesn't come for us all.
Speaker 2: We just let him.
Speaker 1: And that's what I get from the Quaker oas guys,
Speaker 1: Like what if we got somebody who smile was so
Speaker 1: serene that even though he looks like the Poulter Geist guy.
Speaker 1: He like kind of erases your memory of the culture
Speaker 1: geist guy, and he happy gives you happy memories of
Speaker 1: the Poulter Gheist guy. All right, what is What's something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: This one was easy? Buffalo chicken dip. Now, I know
Speaker 3: some of you are thinking, I think it's perfectly rated.
Speaker 3: I think people really like it, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: agree with you. However, I see it at far too
Speaker 3: few super Bowl parties, at far too few Fourth of
Speaker 3: July is at far too few events where buffalo chicken
Speaker 3: dip would be a perfect thing to have on your
Speaker 3: appetizer table. You could take a scoop, put it on
Speaker 3: your plate, dip it yourself. You could take a chip
Speaker 3: straight to the lake, crusee or whatever kind of pot
Speaker 3: you have it in. Oh literally, just like you need
Speaker 3: to be having buffalo chicken dip at so many of
Speaker 3: these different incase because it is a one hit rate dip.
Speaker 3: It combines buffalo chicken taste. Wings that you know are
Speaker 3: I think one of the most favorable finger foods there are.
Speaker 2: It's dip chicken wings yesterday.
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear that. Yeah, Okay, more on that
Speaker 3: in a second. It's a dip, so it's so easily accessible,
Speaker 3: something you can eat as much of or as little
Speaker 3: of as you want. Just want a little bit of
Speaker 3: buffalo chicken dip. Take one chip to it, a boom.
Speaker 3: You've had your taste and it's good. It also only
Speaker 3: has four ingredients, and that right there is enough to
Speaker 3: make it one of the best dips you can possibly have.
Speaker 3: It is so easy to make. It takes ten minutes.
Speaker 3: You can get everything at literally any grocery store. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's good. Buffalo chicken dip underrated. It should be
Speaker 3: at every party.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: My one complaint with a buffy chicky dip is it's
Speaker 1: when it gets cold, it gets it gets pretty solid.
Speaker 1: It makes it hard for my chips.
Speaker 2: You you gotta.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things that you may have to
Speaker 3: throw it back in the oven. I've done that before,
Speaker 3: where I've made a big old thing a buff chick dip.
Speaker 3: We've gotten halfway through, it's gotten halftime to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We're watching Rihanna and we're like, I think we need
Speaker 3: to throw those back in the oven while we're watching Rihanna,
Speaker 3: and then we take it out for the third quarter
Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, we a lot. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: You're yeah, it gets thick quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the hard that's the only thing that's only
Speaker 2: only knock against it, because like there are times you
Speaker 2: pull up be like, oh it's buffalo chip and chicken dip,
Speaker 2: and then you break your fingers you try to dip
Speaker 2: something in it, right, Like that's why you should have
Speaker 2: came when it came out.
Speaker 3: That's fair. It takes management. But you know what, I
Speaker 3: think you could say something similar about most hot dips.
Speaker 3: Hot dips in general have that quality where it's like
Speaker 3: it is their multi quality that makes them good. And
Speaker 3: once they get to that solid or that like room tempt,
Speaker 3: you're like this, this spin a charge joke too. It
Speaker 3: needs to go back and they needs to go back
Speaker 3: in a little bit.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of the quicker thicker chipper chicker dipper.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, no, M.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was working out over here on my math.
Speaker 3: Sheet scrap paper. I did say four ingredients though, I'm
Speaker 3: just going to share them with anybody who's hearing this
Speaker 3: and doesn't want to go look it up for themselves
Speaker 3: or find some over complicated chicken dip. That's going to
Speaker 3: tell you to do too much. One whole rotisserie chicken.
Speaker 3: Two packets of cream cheese, the regular kind or whatever
Speaker 3: kind you want. You can go less fat if you said, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you know, you know when you get like one
Speaker 3: of those you know, like a square, like a batular
Speaker 3: b Yeah, hey, use a.
Speaker 2: Real fucking language.
Speaker 3: Brock Philly cream cheese, one cup of Frank's Red Hot,
Speaker 3: one cup of ranch, no choice, mix it all together.
Speaker 2: No, can't do Frank's Red Hot.
Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, well, okay, then any kind of specifically vinegar
Speaker 3: based hot sauce if you want to Gods or anything
Speaker 3: like that. Crystal totally works as well. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Sorry to add that, Frank.
Speaker 3: It's important, No, I I appreciate that. It's important. Blue
Speaker 3: cheese crumbles, and the blue cheese crumbles are strictly to
Speaker 3: sprinkle throughout. So you take the brochesss rey chicken, strip
Speaker 3: it down, throw it in there. Then you throw in
Speaker 3: the cream cheese. Make sure it's room temps so it's
Speaker 3: easier to spread. Then you throw in the ranch and
Speaker 3: the hot sauce. Really mix that up, and then when
Speaker 3: you're plating it, do a bottom layer buffalo cheese crumble
Speaker 3: or buffalo up. Sorry, blue cheese crumbles, another layer blue
Speaker 3: cheese crumbles, another layer of blue cheese crumbles. And if
Speaker 3: you want to top it off with some other shredded
Speaker 3: cheddar or some other mix, go off. I don't think
Speaker 3: it needs it, but that's your buffalo chicken tap throw
Speaker 3: it in the oven. Twenty minutes at four hundred.
Speaker 1: You're good, and you are gonna want to brick carry
Speaker 1: those bricks of Philly in a briefcase, in a briefing
Speaker 1: and exchange those for carry gold butter pets. There you
Speaker 1: go like that, which we have discussed is a fair currency,
Speaker 1: the currency of this podcast. And also, yeah, when you
Speaker 1: buy the bricks at the store, if they're not saran
Speaker 1: wrapped in basiline, that's not the right dime.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: You We're gonna have to cut those with a little
Speaker 1: pocket knife and case.
Speaker 2: There your finger in there exactly, and then go, no,
Speaker 2: this ship's been this sh it's been stepped on like
Speaker 2: a fucking tap dance in stage. Bro. All right, let's uh.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was hoping this would be our
Speaker 1: dumbest expert episode, and I think we're I think.
Speaker 2: We're well on track. We're in a good place to
Speaker 2: make this possible.
Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, let's uh, let's take not that you're
Speaker 1: our dumbest expert, but probably let's be the one where.
Speaker 2: We indulge our zanier sides where they're not. We're not
Speaker 2: caught in between having serious conversations with academics or high
Speaker 2: minded people who barely know what we thread the needle of. Like, okay,
Speaker 2: don't put them off so much that they're like they
Speaker 2: it was a waste of my time. T one thousand
Speaker 2: or the arm Who you got? Yeah? Who you got? Hey? Doctor?
Speaker 2: Who you got? Are we gonna talk about my my
Speaker 2: Nobel prize winning work? Yeah? Yeah? In a second. In
Speaker 2: a second, do you want to ask you who you got?
Speaker 2: You think when she was holding onto that chain link
Speaker 2: fence when the when the blast hits that she could
Speaker 2: still be holding onto the gate and be like and
Speaker 2: then the stuff thatsh's coming off her bones? I think
Speaker 2: she just blow right off the fence, right doctor? Or
Speaker 2: is it a crypt keeper situation? I mean, giving crip
Speaker 2: creeper virus, what do we got?
Speaker 1: That shit turns her into a crypt keeper?
Speaker 2: Right fence? Love it all right?
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back and yeah, So I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have this like two ways of thinking of AI and
Speaker 1: like technological progress in general. On the one hand, when
Speaker 1: it's like coming from a corporate overlord and they're like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it's gonna make humans irrelevant, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make everything so fast and easy, it kind of becomes
Speaker 1: nightmares and reductive. But when I hear, first of all,
Speaker 1: when I just hear anybody talking about actually working with
Speaker 1: that AI, the thing that gets them excited is like
Speaker 1: I get to play with this thing, like it's fun
Speaker 1: to play with. And then yeah, like as we were
Speaker 1: saying before, when our AI experts came on, they were like,
Speaker 1: there're gonna be fun, Like AI is gonna make video
Speaker 1: games more fun to play, Like it's you're going to
Speaker 1: have a toy that can like kind of be your
Speaker 1: own little playmate that gets better and more fun to
Speaker 1: play with. But just generally, I guess, before we get
Speaker 1: into the future of gaming, I was curious if you
Speaker 1: could give us just like a snapshot overview where we
Speaker 1: at right now, thirty seconds go.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just kidding, Well, please tell Jack where he is.
Speaker 2: He's confused Mexico or Egypt. I'm not quite.
Speaker 3: Sure where the games are set right now. So you know,
Speaker 3: when you sent me the prompt for this episode, it
Speaker 3: did send me on an interesting path of kind of
Speaker 3: exploring where AI was in video games. And I thought
Speaker 3: it was important to kind of set up, like you
Speaker 3: were asking for, where video games are now and actually
Speaker 3: what the last four or five years of video games
Speaker 3: have been to get to the point where we are now,
Speaker 3: because the short answer to your question is we are
Speaker 3: actually on the cusp of AI really taking a place
Speaker 3: in video games. We're seeing it ever so slightly. And
Speaker 3: something we're going to talk about later a very popular
Speaker 3: game right now called Powell World. And I'm sure that
Speaker 3: there are some listeners who are saying, oh, I know
Speaker 3: what this is going to be about, and somebody they're saying,
Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And also the World Pale Gatsole game where you nailed
Speaker 1: a different versions of the Pale Gastle.
Speaker 3: Power World.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm familiar. I've been saying they needed
Speaker 2: to invent this for a long Yeah. And then you're
Speaker 2: raising Kobe's daughters as your own Jesus Christ. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 2: I mean there's some it's never mind people who know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, I just want to talk about how video
Speaker 3: games used to be, what what video games were like
Speaker 3: for me growing up, and for most people growing up,
Speaker 3: video games were sixty dollars fifty to sixty dollars for
Speaker 3: one video game. What you played really depended on what
Speaker 3: your friends were playing. I bought a console because all
Speaker 3: my friends were playing X. I bought my first console
Speaker 3: because a lot of my friends were playing Mario and Zelda.
Speaker 3: And then a bunch of my friends were playing Final Fantasy,
Speaker 3: but I missed out on that because I didn't have
Speaker 3: a PlayStation. I had it N sixty four. Then I
Speaker 3: got a PlayStation two because a lot of my friends
Speaker 3: were playing Devil May Cry in games like that. But
Speaker 3: because of that, I missed out on Super Smash Brothers,
Speaker 3: Melee because I didn't have a game cue. This story
Speaker 3: is kind of tale as old as time, because you know,
Speaker 3: I think most kids probably grew up in a one
Speaker 3: console at a time household. To those who had multiple consoles,
Speaker 3: you know, props to you. I'm happy to hear that
Speaker 3: most of most read.
Speaker 1: Many friends, but they didn't really like you.
Speaker 3: They they didn't like it. It's not really like you exactly.
Speaker 3: Another thing that was a big part of the you know,
Speaker 3: kind of origins of multiplayer video gaming was very limited
Speaker 3: internet connectivity. It wasn't until the OG Halo two, one
Speaker 3: of the very first console games to offer online connectivity
Speaker 3: and multiplayer, that people were really starting to play with
Speaker 3: each other outside of their couches and outside of their houses.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of how gaming used to be. Gaming
Speaker 3: was very much playing on your couch with your friends.
Speaker 3: It was I have this console, that's all I can play.
Speaker 3: I got this because all my friends are playing this.
Speaker 3: It was very limited, it was not very It wasn't
Speaker 3: a super democratized place because it was so focused on
Speaker 3: what you had or what your friends had, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to say peer pressured, but
Speaker 3: you wanted to play with your buds, so you kind
Speaker 3: of had to adhere to what was the thing at
Speaker 3: the time. And that's what gaming really used to be.
Speaker 3: And over the last couple of years of gaming, we
Speaker 3: have seen an incredible shift in that dynamic. We have
Speaker 3: seen a huge push for things being cross platform, things
Speaker 3: being on not just Xbox and PlayStation, but also on
Speaker 3: mobile phones, on switch, on PC, being able to play
Speaker 3: with anybody anywhere thanks to games like Fortnite or even
Speaker 3: pubg To a certain extent, we also saw the rise
Speaker 3: in esports, people being able to participate in the culture
Speaker 3: of video games without actually having to play them, being
Speaker 3: able to watch people and esports even goes into like
Speaker 3: Twitch streaming and stuff like that. The culture of video
Speaker 3: games being something that you can participate in even if
Speaker 3: you don't have that console, even if you don't have
Speaker 3: time to play that game, you can still participate because
Speaker 3: you have access to what that game looks like, what
Speaker 3: it feels like, because you're watching pros or you're watching
Speaker 3: somebody do a let's play. We've also seen different genres
Speaker 3: of video games creates a world that works for pretty
Speaker 3: much everybody. And what I mean by that is there
Speaker 3: are people that look at video games as strictly things
Speaker 3: like Call of Duty or Madden. It's like your simulation
Speaker 3: shooting or sports video game experience. But in the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, we've seen games like The Last of Us.
Speaker 3: We've seen games like Balder Skate three. We've seen games
Speaker 3: like Death Stranding, these single player experienced games that offer
Speaker 3: some of the most rich storytelling, some of the most
Speaker 3: avant garde art ever seen in video games, and some
Speaker 3: of the most deep kind of character creative experiences, allowing
Speaker 3: hundreds of different permutations of experiences, such that your experience
Speaker 3: playing the same game could be completely different to somebody else's.
Speaker 3: You're seeing the world of video games open up doors
Speaker 3: for anybody who wants to get into them in any capacity.
Speaker 3: It's not just about what your friends have anymore. It's
Speaker 3: about how you want to experience this new storytelling art
Speaker 3: form in any capacity you want to. And those are
Speaker 3: what the last couple of years have really really opened
Speaker 3: up for video games. Another thing that I've opened up
Speaker 3: is the ability to create video games. Another thing that
Speaker 3: you asked me about, and you know, a little sport
Speaker 3: not spoiler, like a little behind the curtain for everybody here.
Speaker 3: Jack had a bunch of questions that were put into
Speaker 3: the dock that we have for this episode, and they
Speaker 3: were awesome, awesome questions, and I do want to get to.
Speaker 2: All of them, but I wonder, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I wanted to lay this groundwork for like where video
Speaker 3: games have been and where they are now, because that
Speaker 3: is kind of crucial to understanding why certain things are important,
Speaker 3: or like why certain games become important and why they
Speaker 3: enter the zeitgeist. So what I want to start with
Speaker 3: first is the genre of the battle royale. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: a game called player Unknown's Battlegrounds came out. It was
Speaker 3: a modified version of Arma III by this dude who
Speaker 3: went by player Unknown. I can't remember his real name
Speaker 3: right now. I could look at a plater. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to. It's not important because his title as player
Speaker 3: unknown is really what's important. The battle royale genre is
Speaker 3: a game where one hundred people drop into an open
Speaker 3: world at the same time, pick up weapons off the ground,
Speaker 3: and shoot each other to those one last person standing.
Speaker 3: When you're that last person standing, win or winter Chicken dinner.
Speaker 3: And the reason that game is so important is because
Speaker 3: it brought us the Fortnite that we know today. Right
Speaker 3: for Fortnite is just basically that. Right, Fortnite is just
Speaker 3: basically that. But the reason that Fortnite is so important
Speaker 3: to this equation is because not only did Fortnite see
Speaker 3: what was going on with that, Fortnite was part of
Speaker 3: the reason that was even able to happen. Fortnite is
Speaker 3: made by the company Epic Games. Epic Games created what's
Speaker 3: called the Unreal Engine, and the Unreal Engine is how
Speaker 3: a lot of video games are made. PUBG was made
Speaker 3: on the Unreal four engine. We are now currently on
Speaker 3: the Unreal five engine, and so Epic Games was making
Speaker 3: money off of every Battle Royale that was made on
Speaker 3: Unreel four. Basically it was making money off of PUBG
Speaker 3: being like, damn, there's a lot of money coming off
Speaker 3: this shit, right, we have to completely chance player on battlegrounds.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, sorry about that. We have to change
Speaker 3: what we're doing and make Fortnite that Fortnite originally and
Speaker 3: its open beta was not that at all. It was
Speaker 3: still this whole building game, but it was kind of
Speaker 3: like a build yourself a big tower to survive waves
Speaker 3: and waves of is like Pixar like looking zombies who
Speaker 3: are going to attack your base. That was the original game.
Speaker 3: It was called Save the World. Then they made the
Speaker 3: battles truly the rest of the history. It is kind
Speaker 3: I mean like a little minecrafty kind of like a
Speaker 3: tower defense Minecraft kind of thing, and the building was
Speaker 3: just super unique, but that genre unlocks something for a
Speaker 3: lot of people, because what that said was they're shooting,
Speaker 3: there's building. Why are we not mixing genres more often?
Speaker 3: Why are we not taking these kinds of games that
Speaker 3: exist already and just kind of combining them. Why aren't
Speaker 3: we like putting two things together to make this kind
Speaker 3: of new genre of game. Because it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 3: to be pritt and super pretty and honestly doesn't even
Speaker 3: need to run well. It's if the concept itself is
Speaker 3: unique that's going to make people want to play it,
Speaker 3: and then the money is going to come in from that,
Speaker 3: and then we can just keep going. And that's like
Speaker 3: a big part of where games are going today in general,
Speaker 3: mashing up genres, mashing up genres all right.
Speaker 1: Like taking advantage of new technology like greater connectivity.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because so everything I see from No just
Speaker 2: everything I see from Unreal Engine five is like frightening,
Speaker 2: it's nuts, it's nice. How it's such a huge step
Speaker 2: in how like like raid tracing and the light like
Speaker 2: all the mechanics of how lightning is perceived in games
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I didn't realize that that was
Speaker 2: sort of the inroad for for them to be like, oh, man, like,
Speaker 2: look at what they're doing with the tools that we've created.
Speaker 2: Let's just iterate on this and what that's just. And
Speaker 2: so that's because for me, I'm mostly like a tent
Speaker 2: pole triple a sort of I'm an old head, you know,
Speaker 2: like I come from the era of like Nintendo Power
Speaker 2: and a magazine was like, these are the three games
Speaker 2: I come out this year. They're like, yeah, y versus now,
Speaker 2: And I always hit you up too, because I'm so off,
Speaker 2: like I'm not like I just don't pay attention to
Speaker 2: indie games or other titles or things that because in
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm like free means it's bad, right, rather
Speaker 2: than means it's also ubiquitous, and it now has the
Speaker 2: largest user base and they have other ways to make money.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have many sort of points of ignorance
Speaker 2: when it comes to sort of like understanding like like
Speaker 2: where this is headed. So now because of that, it
Speaker 2: sort of normalized this idea of like, well, let's take
Speaker 2: all the elements we know of games and we start
Speaker 2: making games like this versus like I drew this character
Speaker 2: during an acid trip, and I think this could be
Speaker 2: like the whole franchise. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean one of the AI innovations that feels like
Speaker 1: it makes the most sense to me. I guess is
Speaker 1: that it might affect people's ability to like code quickly
Speaker 1: write code quickly. That's something that you hear people who
Speaker 1: can write code talk about. But I guess, like which
Speaker 1: would make it more possible, like easier for somebody with
Speaker 1: a vision to like build a game right without the
Speaker 1: backing of like these Triple A company totally. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm always intrigued by just hearing about like indie
Speaker 1: games that are doing cool, like intriguing new things about
Speaker 1: like what what it means to play games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are there.
Speaker 1: You know what what are what are some of the
Speaker 1: games some of the mashups that you've seen recently that
Speaker 1: you see on the horizon that are changing video games
Speaker 1: from a medium where you control a little fucker who
Speaker 1: runs around on an imaginary world and picks up coins.
Speaker 1: That's the only one that I know exactly. I'm a
Speaker 1: bit of an old head myself.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: So there's you know, I want to say that while
Speaker 3: there are a lot of these games that are you know,
Speaker 3: true mashups, I think it's also important to highlight the
Speaker 3: games that are still revolutionizing these in just like main
Speaker 3: stage genres, single player RPG games, which feels like ground
Speaker 3: we have tread so much over and over and over,
Speaker 3: just to shout out, Balder's Gate three again is like
Speaker 3: a whole new thing. Zelda, Teers of the Kingdom, Alan
Speaker 3: Wake two, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, a sequel to Star
Speaker 3: Wars the Last Oh My God, Jedi Fallen Order, one
Speaker 3: of the best Star Wars games. Yet it's like we're
Speaker 3: still and even Spider Man two, the Spider Man twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen game, and then Spider Man two that came out
Speaker 3: this year. We're taking the genre of single player game
Speaker 3: and just keep on refining it and making better and
Speaker 3: better games, taking ground that feels like it's already so tread,
Speaker 3: and then still making something absolutely incredible. And by the way,
Speaker 3: all those games are just listed. We're just from last year,
Speaker 3: Like twenty twenty three was such an absolutely mind blowing
Speaker 3: year for video games.
Speaker 1: But you like Balder's Gate three, like what, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: the best RPG of all time? Short notes here, like
Speaker 1: what makes it that? Like what are you finding yourself
Speaker 1: doing in that game? Like what's mind blowing about it?
Speaker 3: So, Balder's Gate three is basically a video game version
Speaker 3: of Dungeons Dragons. It played entirely on the Dungeons and
Speaker 3: Dragons fifth Edition, fifth like extended edition rule set, And
Speaker 3: so what feels like this kind of very like you know,
Speaker 3: rule base, sitting with your friends looking through books kind
Speaker 3: of game experience has been turned into this super deep
Speaker 3: world with a seemingly infinite number of possibilities. When you're playing,
Speaker 3: you create your own character. You're choosing from a bunch
Speaker 3: of different races and abilities and and like you know,
Speaker 3: classes and all this stuff, and you are creating your
Speaker 3: own experience by how you interact with the world around you,
Speaker 3: all based within the rule set of Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people will hear Dungeons and Dragons
Speaker 3: and be like, I'm not about that shit too complicated.
Speaker 3: There's a way that this game offers you so many
Speaker 3: controls and makes a super super complex multibook rule set
Speaker 3: into something that is much easier to kind of control
Speaker 3: and understand, right, And that challenge in itself was such
Speaker 3: an undertaking that Baller's Gate three rehit so well that
Speaker 3: it has just completely taken over the RPG game. And
Speaker 3: by the way, RPG is short for role playing game,
Speaker 3: So you're picking your role and playing through it in
Speaker 3: this world. Balder's Gate is a three act game. You're
Speaker 3: playing in three different places in the game. It's multiple places,
Speaker 3: but you're going through three acts. It's a three act story,
Speaker 3: and as you play through it, you make choices that
Speaker 3: completely affect your entire play through, and everybody's experience is
Speaker 3: different depending on what choices you make or where you go.
Speaker 3: And it's not the kind of thing where it's like
Speaker 3: iose one of three paths. It's anybody who I've talked
Speaker 3: to who's played the game has played it a different
Speaker 3: way with a different outcome. I'm talking hundreds of different ways.
Speaker 1: Are you playing with people, like just other people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you can play you can play as
Speaker 3: a team of four or and this is the big thing,
Speaker 3: you can play by yourself offline. You don't even need
Speaker 3: to be online. And that's something that just feels like
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist anymore in gaming. That's kind of like
Speaker 3: truely single player offline experience with so many other games
Speaker 3: that require you to be online. You can play couch
Speaker 3: cop you can play with somebody right next to you,
Speaker 3: like you can just play it together or play it
Speaker 3: completely by yourself and have this unique experience and play
Speaker 3: around with these pre made characters that have their own
Speaker 3: storylines that you could even you can even romance, you
Speaker 3: can be like you know, one of them is a
Speaker 3: cleric who can turn into a bear, and you can
Speaker 3: you can have sex with the bear. You can have
Speaker 3: sex with the bear. Drewid not a cleric, but.
Speaker 1: There, you know, I mean, I mean, come on, that
Speaker 1: is on the front of the game.
Speaker 3: Is on the front.
Speaker 2: Anyway you can have you can have sex with the bear.
Speaker 3: But back to the question you were asking me that
Speaker 3: these new types of games you're also seeing, these indie
Speaker 3: game you're also seeing like different types of games getting
Speaker 3: a new life to them. I'm sure you guys have
Speaker 3: heard of games like Pokemon or Magic the Gathering. I'm
Speaker 3: talking card games where you have it well, you have
Speaker 3: a leave them behind, leave them behind down, you got
Speaker 3: a deck of cards. Each card is either like you know,
Speaker 3: it gives you the power to do something. I think
Speaker 3: they just explain many exactly. Anyway, The point is, like
Speaker 3: card games have existed on you know, in video games
Speaker 3: as well. You've had like Hearthstone, even the Magic the
Speaker 3: Gathering has zone online game. But now you have a
Speaker 3: new version called Marvel Snap Do you play on your
Speaker 3: phone and it's a new take on the card Babbler.
Speaker 3: You even have a game made by Riot Games, who
Speaker 3: makes League of Legends. It's called Team Fight Tactics and
Speaker 3: it almost plays like a card game that also plays
Speaker 3: like chess. Some people call it auto chess, and like
Speaker 3: you may remember from Star Wars A New Hope when
Speaker 3: Chewie and Obi Wan Kenobi are playing that like chess
Speaker 3: game where like on the round board and the holog
Speaker 3: every things, that is this game. But imagine that you
Speaker 3: have like cards with abilities and you're placing your little
Speaker 3: tokens on a board and depending on where they're placed,
Speaker 3: you just watch them battle it out. It's an auto
Speaker 3: chess style game, completely new, never existed before, like four
Speaker 3: years ago, just a completely different style of game. You
Speaker 3: have these indie games, like this new one that just
Speaker 3: came out called Lethal Company, where it's honestly just a
Speaker 3: spooky game where you walk around these completely barren lands
Speaker 3: picking up ingredients to go sell them, but there's no map.
Speaker 3: All your communication is through your in game microphone. You're
Speaker 3: weird spacemen and you could be attacked by aliens at
Speaker 3: any moment. That game is not a genre that exists.
Speaker 3: It's not like a oh yes, of course, just like
Speaker 3: this other game or whatever. It's these kind of just
Speaker 3: like like concept games that people have the ability to
Speaker 3: make because there's so much because they're like smaller because
Speaker 3: they don't take as much work. Another example is this
Speaker 3: the other game Fasmophobia, which is a ghost hunting game.
Speaker 3: You walk into a building with a walkie talkie and
Speaker 3: you're like, hello, are you here, and depending on if
Speaker 3: the ghost hears you in might respond.
Speaker 2: To you, because I'm afraid of no ghosts.
Speaker 1: Also doesn't it doesn't interest us, and that's why we
Speaker 1: were going to ask you to stop talking about it.
Speaker 1: That doesn't scare us, and it doesn't even make us
Speaker 1: like interested.
Speaker 2: We're just like, I cannot remember it every phobia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you can.
Speaker 2: I ask you a serious question though, down ghost Okay. So,
Speaker 2: like there's this scene and Terminator too, where Arnold Schwarzenegger
Speaker 2: he's trying to figure out what's going on and whether
Speaker 2: or not Edward Furlong's family is okay and He asked
Speaker 2: him what his dog's name is, and he goes, Hey, Janelle,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with Wolfy? And then she's like, Wolfy's just fine,
Speaker 2: and he goes, your foster parents are dead? Is is
Speaker 2: that kind of like gaming inside the terminator's brain? Is
Speaker 2: that the kind of AI stuff? We can thank you
Speaker 2: for asking the question, and this is this is why
Speaker 2: we're good because like that's the question that every listener
Speaker 2: was actually thinking, right then, how do you figure that out? Hey,
Speaker 2: what's your day? Goes? He goes, he goes, what's your
Speaker 2: dog's name? And goes, what's wrong with the fucking straight
Speaker 2: up game theory?
Speaker 3: That ship games him right there? Gamed him right there?
Speaker 1: The dogs name, He just asked him what it was
Speaker 1: and then he said a different name?
Speaker 2: Are they different? But are there any so right now
Speaker 2: with AI? Thos? Now back to back to the non
Speaker 2: serious stuff like are is AI A being used to
Speaker 2: speed along the development games? Or we're not quite there yet?
Speaker 2: Or are people just using are they cutting corners with AI?
Speaker 2: Because I'm still like because I know in the in
Speaker 2: the episode that Jack's talking about with doctor Joel Zadoc,
Speaker 2: he was talking about how like the capability like it
Speaker 2: could make MPCs much richer, like a much more rich
Speaker 2: environment when you have non playable characters have like these
Speaker 2: kinds of you know, chat bot levels of intellect or
Speaker 2: whatever intelligence what everyon want to call it.
Speaker 1: But like in New York Times author columnists into thinking
Speaker 1: that they want to fuck him, but like.
Speaker 2: Me to leave my w Like, how much AI is
Speaker 2: being used to either develop games, like to speed things along,
Speaker 2: or to integrate that with like actual characters involved, or
Speaker 2: how much is just using AI to just rip other
Speaker 2: stuff off?
Speaker 3: And then here's a game, so I rip off a
Speaker 3: really contemporary example of exactly what you're talking about, unfortunately
Speaker 3: in the cutting corners ripping stuff up department is this
Speaker 3: game power World. Yeah, power game developed pl p ah
Speaker 3: w r ld pal World. Power World is a new
Speaker 3: game for Xbox and PC developed by a company called
Speaker 3: Pocket Pair whose last game was called craft Topia, and
Speaker 3: Power World is more or less an open world, crafting
Speaker 3: survival Pokemon game. And you open up this game, you
Speaker 3: press play, and you wake up on a beach surrounded
Speaker 3: by three Pokemon that I'll just say this if you
Speaker 3: were somebody who played the first Pokemon and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: I know the first one hundred and fifty Pokemon. Pretty well,
Speaker 3: I know what they all look like, but I haven't
Speaker 3: played in years, and there's literally been hundreds of Pokemon
Speaker 3: since then. There's no way that you could tell the
Speaker 3: difference between the creatures the pals in this game and
Speaker 3: Pokemon of today. They're a it's not real Pokemon. It
Speaker 3: is not like Pokemon. No, they did not at all.
Speaker 3: In fact, the CEO of Power World's developer, Pocket Pair,
Speaker 3: he's huge into AI generation. He had a whole series
Speaker 3: of tweets about how, you know, honestly, using GPT four
Speaker 3: will make game development so much faster. Here here's a
Speaker 3: list of Pokemon that I just developed by you know,
Speaker 3: talking to GPT and having it, you know, generate all
Speaker 3: these images. And this is really well documented online of
Speaker 3: him just talking about how great this generation quality is
Speaker 3: and it's raising and here's the thing, it's raising a
Speaker 3: ton of suspicion because it's like the CEO of the
Speaker 3: game company is like, look how easy this is to do,
Speaker 3: and then they release a game that is a survival
Speaker 3: crafting game, which is very popular right now, and I
Speaker 3: can talk about that in a sec. But these Pokemon characters,
Speaker 3: they just these pals rather, they just don't look that
Speaker 3: different from Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Dude, they're so bad. Have you seen that one RDC
Speaker 2: World sketch?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, but you know already you know RDC World.
Speaker 2: It's like those black sketch comedians that like they'll usually
Speaker 2: do stuff that'll wrap up like an NBA season, the
Speaker 2: likes Sixers, Locker Room and like, they just do kind
Speaker 2: of character. But anyway, they had one about Power World,
Speaker 2: and it was like a sketch where the dude was
Speaker 2: playing the lawyer for them. Oh, he's like what he's look,
Speaker 2: He's like, these are Pokemon literally literally not even this
Speaker 2: is not And yeah, it seems so blatant. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how can you even, like, I guess, like to to
Speaker 2: someone like I'm familiar with POKEM. I didn't play it,
Speaker 2: but I know the characters and I know the style
Speaker 2: very well, so when I see it, I'm like, how
Speaker 2: can this stand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the kind of thing where I think
Speaker 3: it's it's it's one of those things where you see
Speaker 3: it a lot in movies a little bit, you see
Speaker 3: it in TV a little bit, where there are these
Speaker 3: concepts that are very very popular I know there's times
Speaker 3: where we've seen two movies that are very similar come
Speaker 3: out around the same time that are like, you know,
Speaker 3: like it was that movie that was like Ashton Kutcher
Speaker 3: and Milaicunis, and.
Speaker 2: That like.
Speaker 1: Friends it's no strings attention, Bam, thank you. Two movies
Speaker 1: that are The Illusionists and The Prestige Boom exactly. You're
Speaker 1: seeing Pa, thank you very much, Classic Mac and me
Speaker 1: Boom Boom. There we go, these kinds of game that
Speaker 1: we're more comfortable thinking about movies than video games.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I would keep doing it. I knew I
Speaker 3: made the right example. Are dead boom? This with video
Speaker 3: games right now? This is what happens where there's a
Speaker 3: concept that comes out right now. It's called survival crafting.
Speaker 3: You had a game like Valheim doesn't mean anything, but
Speaker 3: it's Viking crafting survival. You have The Rising, which is
Speaker 3: Dracula crafting survival. You had Fortnite, which made their own
Speaker 3: as a collab with Lego. That's Lego crafting survival. Power
Speaker 3: World is Pokemon crafting survival. Another one is Enshrouded, which
Speaker 3: is like Witches and Wizards crafting survival. They're all the
Speaker 3: exact same game that are trying to drill down into
Speaker 3: what do people really want to play? That's some variation
Speaker 3: of this style of game.
Speaker 1: Is mine the original Crafting Survival?
Speaker 3: Yes it is, because.
Speaker 1: Like that Minecraft took me a little while to get
Speaker 1: my head around because I'm like, wait, why are people building?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's not the point of the video game.
Speaker 1: We play something someone else built, Why why they build?
Speaker 3: Why they built?
Speaker 2: But then I thought about that.
Speaker 1: Level of an excite bike where you can build your
Speaker 1: own excite bike course on and then I was like,
Speaker 1: let's go excite bike course is the og Minecraft?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: And that's why I started with PUBG in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: because that was when games were really starting not easy
Speaker 3: to make, but there was so much more efficiency in
Speaker 3: making games that Fortnite was able to be like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is the thing we need to do, so it's
Speaker 3: not just Battle Royale, it's Battle Royale with building. Then
Speaker 3: Apex Legends was Battle Royale, but it's three D three
Speaker 3: and the maps are hyperrealistic, and we're also adding these abilities.
Speaker 3: And you just had this series and series of Battle
Speaker 3: Royale games. After Battle Royal Games, there was a Battle
Speaker 3: Royal game with Magic Battle Royale game with like that
Speaker 3: was top down Battle Royale was another one of these
Speaker 3: genres that everybody was trying to tackle, and it just
Speaker 3: this is what video game development is right now. You
Speaker 3: see people taking a genre that is very popular and
Speaker 3: just drilling, drilling down. I think I use the word
Speaker 3: plaguing the video game space with the exact kind of
Speaker 3: game over and over again until players get tired of it,
Speaker 3: and then like a year later, the perfect version comes out.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, okay, well that's what we should play, right.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's like the same way we've seen
Speaker 2: like online sketch comedy and stuff evolve too, or like
Speaker 2: especially TikTok. Like I just think back, like let me
Speaker 2: just go back about thirteen years. It's twenty eleven, and
Speaker 2: we had we had some shit called shit blank people say,
Speaker 2: they use a comedy, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it was first like shit black guys say, or shit
Speaker 2: la people say, and then it basically turns like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: we have a format. Now we can adapt to whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck we're really into. And now I feel like
Speaker 2: that's what's like to your point about these Survivor Builder
Speaker 2: games too, It's like the shit Pokemon people said this
Speaker 2: is the Bilberd like precently, which totally makes sense because
Speaker 2: now our you know, we have the ability for our
Speaker 2: tastes to be so specific, and because of the ease
Speaker 2: of development, developers are also able to kind of meet
Speaker 2: people where they're at. They're like, Oh, Okay, I see
Speaker 2: what y'll y'allmant howbout that you could come up? It
Speaker 2: might not be the finished thing, but it's we're like,
Speaker 2: it's all building towards this sort of style or I
Speaker 2: don't know, just the way the ideation has changed. And
Speaker 2: I think that's probably because like with comedy, before the Internet,
Speaker 2: it was more like, well, what are the people in
Speaker 2: these five shows think comedy is? And that was performing
Speaker 2: comedy versus the Internet being like na, man, everybody can
Speaker 2: get in now and we can now find audiences for
Speaker 2: every kind. So I see a lot of parallels with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break, we'll be a right pack
Speaker 2: and we're back. Yeah. I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I was about the like democratization of all these different
Speaker 1: forms of media. Like I feel like with movies, we've
Speaker 1: seen like there was a lot of excitement around like oh, man,
Speaker 1: there's like all these sketch groups online and like that,
Speaker 1: you know you're discovering new talent that way and that.
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's like kind of gone.
Speaker 2: Away a little bit.
Speaker 1: But with gaming, I feel like I could see that
Speaker 1: just theoretically, not not knowing much about the industry at all,
Speaker 1: but like that's what is exciting to me, is that
Speaker 1: like as coding becomes more and more you know, boosted
Speaker 1: by AI like it, it feels like it's going to
Speaker 1: be easier and easier for people to like everybody to
Speaker 1: like come up with an idea, like an iteration on
Speaker 1: an existing game and just like make it happen. As
Speaker 1: opposed to with movies, I feel like it's still still
Speaker 1: need like good performances, right, You still need like these
Speaker 1: things that are hard to get, and like usually you
Speaker 1: need a lot of money. So like gaming is build
Speaker 1: is like writing based, idea based thing that I could
Speaker 1: see in the near future just becoming like more democratic
Speaker 1: than any of the other like major forms of media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to highlight one other thing about the
Speaker 3: gaming space right now that I think is really fun
Speaker 3: and is is what kind of like adds to that
Speaker 3: or what adds to the what I started with about
Speaker 3: how it is so open to any kind of experience
Speaker 3: you want to have. There's lots of games that are
Speaker 3: developed these days that are developed by one person just
Speaker 3: because they're super excited about this one prospect. A very
Speaker 3: famous example is a game called Stardy Valley. Stardi Valley
Speaker 3: is developed by one person. I wrote on this person's name,
Speaker 3: Eric Concerned Aped barone. Now Eric made this one game
Speaker 3: himself as a farming simulator, but it's also slightly relationship.
Speaker 2: He's Italian pronunciation yea.
Speaker 3: Concerned Wait, why is he concerned ape? That's like that,
Speaker 3: that's just his user name, concerned Ape. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like player unknown, right, I just can't remember playing. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like an NFT play they go exactly. Stardie Valley,
Speaker 3: a game developed by one person as a twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: has sold twenty million copies. It's a game that struck
Speaker 3: a nerve with people who wanted to make a farming
Speaker 3: simulator type game, and it's just one person who's doing
Speaker 3: something they love at a time when a genre wasn't
Speaker 3: exactly like it's That is not a game that was
Speaker 3: a drilled down version of a genre. That was super
Speaker 3: super popular at the moment. That was just something that
Speaker 3: struck people really strongly. Another genre of game or another
Speaker 3: developer who made a game that, again was not something
Speaker 3: that people something people were looking for, is a guy
Speaker 3: named Bennett Foddy. He's made a web game you may
Speaker 3: have heard of called quap qw oh, the running one
Speaker 3: of the running one. He developed the running game where
Speaker 3: all you have is qwop to control the knees and
Speaker 3: legs of a runner, and your point is to do
Speaker 3: one hundred meter dash. And it is so it's controlled,
Speaker 3: it is so punishingly slow and stupid that people love
Speaker 3: doing it because it's just so hard to do. He
Speaker 3: made another game called Getting Over It, where you are
Speaker 3: a naked person sitting in a black kettle with a hammer,
Speaker 3: and your whole goal is to climb up a mountain
Speaker 3: by using your hammer to propel yourself up the mountain,
Speaker 3: and the entire time Bennett Foddi is narrating why you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing this and why it's frustrating and how
Speaker 3: punishing the whole process is. Where does that fit on
Speaker 3: the scale of these video games? How is that a
Speaker 3: Battle Royale like Fortnite? How or Fortnite. How is that
Speaker 3: like a farming simulator like Starry Valley. It's not. This
Speaker 3: is a guy who has a passion for making these
Speaker 3: unique experiences the ability to do so just by being
Speaker 3: a coder and with these gaming tools. I think he
Speaker 3: made it in Unity, which is another engine similar to
Speaker 3: the Unreal engine, and it's decided to make this game
Speaker 3: that has now sold millions of copies. It is another
Speaker 3: one like.
Speaker 1: He also profoundly hates humankind. You might say that like
Speaker 1: a Larry David style outlook on yes humanity.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Exactly, that everybody should play it.
Speaker 2: I missed looking like Jordan belf Belle fort on Kwayludes
Speaker 2: trying to run on that thing been my man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just one of these things where it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, the world of video games almost feels, you know,
Speaker 3: less like TV and movies and almost like the world
Speaker 3: of music, where the tools to create it have become
Speaker 3: so easy to access that Like, while you have people
Speaker 3: who are making who are trying to be the next
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift or trying to be the next Dead Mouse,
Speaker 3: or trying to be the next Kendrick Lamar, you have
Speaker 3: people who are also just like I made this weird
Speaker 3: song and all of a sudden that sound pops all
Speaker 3: that you have people who are one hundred gecks narratively,
Speaker 3: or you have people who are just doing something that
Speaker 3: is complete, who's so different and completely off the wall.
Speaker 3: You're Sophie's of the world. You're like, you're you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's another like very peculiar or like
Speaker 3: a unique artist. Right now, you get what I mean.
Speaker 3: My point is is that, like the tools are so
Speaker 3: easy to access and democratize.
Speaker 2: There they go people.
Speaker 1: It was a good originally it was a version of that, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but people who are taking these tools to
Speaker 3: make something that is unique to them that is not
Speaker 3: necessarily being asked for at the time, but finding the
Speaker 3: right audience for it such that it becomes super popular,
Speaker 3: even if at the time it's like what is this
Speaker 3: even for video games? Offer that lane and that is
Speaker 3: something that makes me really excited about the future of
Speaker 3: video games. We just keep getting more stuff like that
Speaker 3: because the tools are so easy to act.
Speaker 2: Right, Because it's almost like so like when someone makes
Speaker 2: a game, it's like because I know music production and
Speaker 2: video production pretty well, It's like because I remember if
Speaker 2: you wanted to make music. Like it's like, did you
Speaker 2: have these old school production keyboards that had the sounds
Speaker 2: that you wanted that you were hearing on the thing,
Speaker 2: then yeah, exactly do you have that core? You got
Speaker 2: a triton, you know, yeah, you have all that, And
Speaker 2: then but now you have more like effects packs that
Speaker 2: come out like you know, SAMP like whatever, VSTs that
Speaker 2: give you certain keyboard sounds that you didn't have before.
Speaker 2: Is that how people are kind of making games too,
Speaker 2: like where these are sort of like modular and you
Speaker 2: can kind of be like, Okay, I need a little
Speaker 2: bit of this. I need I need my version of
Speaker 2: Massive for lack of a better comparison to making like
Speaker 2: electronic music, and so I can use that for for
Speaker 2: the physics, will be the game engine, and then I
Speaker 2: can use these other things. So it does feel like
Speaker 2: kind of like if you're savvy enough, there there is
Speaker 2: a way to sort of like execute on like an
Speaker 2: idea because they're just like those elements are just there
Speaker 2: versus years before. It's like, well, do you have a
Speaker 2: seven hundred person team? This is one of the last
Speaker 2: things I want to talk about, and it's one of
Speaker 2: the things that you just got to cut the episode short. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't go for about like an hour or so,
Speaker 2: but anybody, go ahead. This is this is the last
Speaker 2: thing you're going to talk about, all right, D's it's
Speaker 2: related the last time I'm telling this. Listen up.
Speaker 3: Another question that Jack posed was about Disney throwing money
Speaker 3: at Epic. I'm trying to see where it was in
Speaker 3: here because I just like I saved the place for it.
Speaker 3: Cut all this.
Speaker 2: This is all bullshit. Here we go. Okay, are you
Speaker 2: reading through my notes?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, this is.
Speaker 2: And you know it's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, let's just let's just mute Night Channel thinking.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is kind of going back to Fortnite and
Speaker 3: the Unreal Engine and all of and all of that
Speaker 3: and what you know they're creating with Fortnite. Disney just
Speaker 3: threw one point five billion dollars, which is about like
Speaker 3: a four to five percent steak in Epic.
Speaker 2: Why are they That's wait, that's a four percent steak
Speaker 2: in Epic is one and a half. It might be
Speaker 2: it might be less. Honestly, Yeah, I didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much stuff is worth anymore. They're an enormous company.
Speaker 2: I know shot Tank though you say, if you said
Speaker 2: if you came out one point five BILLI for four percent,
Speaker 2: I'd like get the fuck out.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, huge, It is a huge amount for not
Speaker 3: that big of a steak. But what Disney is getting
Speaker 3: out of that is this connection of their IP to
Speaker 3: things like Fortnite, the ability to use on Real five
Speaker 3: to help make movies, and just like this connection into
Speaker 3: a world that people are already in all the time.
Speaker 3: Now you've heard the term metaverse being thrown around so
Speaker 3: loved and like Facebook wanted to make one, blah blah
Speaker 3: blah wanted to make one, but they're not crazy that
Speaker 3: he got to it first. And now, like for so
Speaker 3: many people when they hear meta metaverse, they're like they
Speaker 3: picture Mark Zuckerberg with no legs, like Mark Zuckerberg's little
Speaker 3: avatar floating around with no legs, Like, no, this is
Speaker 3: the future. This dude just like fucked it up in
Speaker 3: the main Street. He just completely fucked it up. But
Speaker 3: it is funny how the branding of that kind of
Speaker 3: came to him because people don't think of Fortnite as
Speaker 3: the metaverse. But when you can be Lebron James or
Speaker 3: Soske from Naruto or Alloy from Horizon Zero don or
Speaker 3: Peter Griffin from Family Guy aside character in Fortnite. That
Speaker 3: is the metaverse when you and your friends are jumping
Speaker 3: into the Fortnite launcher and playing Fortnite traditional Fortnite Fortnite
Speaker 3: with no building, or a racing game developed by Psionics
Speaker 3: the people who make Rocket League, or they're playing a
Speaker 3: rhythm game developed by Harmonics, the people who made rock Band,
Speaker 3: or they're making the survival crafting game in collaboration with Lego,
Speaker 3: all within one game, all within Fortnite. Fortnite is not
Speaker 3: trying to be like the best shooter. Fortnite is trying
Speaker 3: to be Nintendo. When your mom used to say, oh
Speaker 3: are you playing that? Nintendo? Fortnite is trying to be
Speaker 3: oh are you playing that? Fortnite. Fortnite is so many
Speaker 3: different git and it kind of is now not only that,
Speaker 3: like Fortnite has their own tools built into the Fortnite
Speaker 3: engine for you to create your own game. Like if
Speaker 3: you open up Fortnite, you'll see the main games Fortnite, Fortnite,
Speaker 3: Note Build, Lego, Fortnite, Rocket Racing, Harmont or it's I
Speaker 3: can't remember what it's called. It's the rhythm game. It's
Speaker 3: like main Stage or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: But then you have fifteen or sixteen other most popular
Speaker 2: user created modes that you can just play that are
Speaker 2: completely different games, all built within the Fortnite engine, like
Speaker 2: Fortnite is, or rather Epic Games is using Fortnite as
Speaker 2: the tip of the spear for Unreal Engine five to
Speaker 2: show people what you can do with this tool, right,
Speaker 2: people who are.
Speaker 1: Building those games making money, Like, are they taking out
Speaker 1: the Wait? Can't you can't you make money off of
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 3: Map you can make money off of? I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm actually not sure. Okay, because I'm not sure. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Bullshit.
Speaker 3: Just check that, because if you can make money off
Speaker 3: of Fortnite map, that'd be interesting. But I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: they're just user generated and it's like if people are
Speaker 3: playing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no. The only reason I know this is
Speaker 2: because there's a player at Arsenal in the academy. He's
Speaker 2: not like in the main team yet. He's like a
Speaker 2: teenager named Rouel Walters, and he like like they're like
Speaker 2: before he got signed his professional contract, they're like this
Speaker 2: kid was already making money on Fortnite because he was
Speaker 2: he made like a super popular map.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, well there you go. I mean like if
Speaker 3: then if they're making i mean, if kids are making
Speaker 3: money off that, then that's even more awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so they're the engine that makes all
Speaker 1: of this creation possible exactly, and they're making a big
Speaker 1: chunk of the money. But like the people who are
Speaker 1: going on there and being creative are able to like
Speaker 1: get some part of it.
Speaker 2: He said in this article in The Athletic. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because of the creator code or whatever. Oh that's different.
Speaker 2: Oh what's that's different? Creator code is basically a way
Speaker 2: that you can say, this person brought me here. So
Speaker 2: if you enter a creator code when you're buying a
Speaker 2: skin on Fortnite, there's a little kickback to the creator
Speaker 2: who did that to you. So he's probably streaming on
Speaker 2: Twitch and said, use my creator code, and and then
Speaker 2: you buy skins. It's a kickback to me. He said.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty million people played his map in
Speaker 2: one week. That's fucking crazy. That's awesome. Anyway, That's what
Speaker 2: I was just like, Yeah, I knew there was like
Speaker 2: some way, but yeah, maybe not, there's a way sorry,
Speaker 2: go on, right, no.
Speaker 3: But still but but that but that is a whole
Speaker 3: other thing. That's that's just the it's just these little
Speaker 3: tools that like Fortnite or Epic Games offers just within
Speaker 3: the Fortnite engine, where it's just like, oh, yeah, use
Speaker 3: my code, type in my name so that you kick
Speaker 3: back to me who you like to just buy whatever
Speaker 3: skin you're gonna buy, right, and sometimes those skins are
Speaker 3: actual people like I said, Lebron James or even random
Speaker 3: streamers who are you know, part of the animal community
Speaker 3: such that me. Could you yeah, could you imagine the
Speaker 3: boring skin? But then you have people like the Weekend
Speaker 3: and then you have Peter Griffin, and then you have
Speaker 3: Pickle Rick. You just have all of this ip that
Speaker 3: is within the world of Fortnite, so that you can
Speaker 3: be whoever you want in the world of Fortnite whenever
Speaker 3: you're playing any of those games, right, Like, that is
Speaker 3: what they're That is the world that they're creating that
Speaker 3: they're that is like it's it's.
Speaker 2: It's wild how like interchangeable it can be, you know,
Speaker 2: because there's so many times like I'll be playing a game,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, man, I wish there was just a
Speaker 2: Star Wars version of GTA, right, Like, why can't I
Speaker 2: just have this look like Star Wars? And they're that
Speaker 2: game is coming out, But like with the flexibility of
Speaker 2: these other games, it's like, well, yeah, we we can
Speaker 2: already just map this ip onto it.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you want to play like Star versus
Speaker 3: Peter Peter, then exactly do it. There's a Darth Vader,
Speaker 3: there's a Darth Vader, there's a Luke Skywalker. There's an
Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker skin in Fortnite. Yeah, yeah, it's so what
Speaker 3: have a lightsaber?
Speaker 2: So it sounds like obviously there's like there's ease in
Speaker 2: which that people are being able to make games, and
Speaker 2: that's you know, AI has a certain hand into that
Speaker 2: is the is like the main risk, just like the
Speaker 2: voice acting stuff, because that's the one thing I've saw
Speaker 2: consistently from like voice acting people who are like, get
Speaker 2: the fuck away from my gigs with AI, because that
Speaker 2: is a huge, huge earner for voice actors.
Speaker 3: It's a huge thing. And that was one of the
Speaker 3: things that I wrote down is what really worries me
Speaker 3: about AI. You know, my fears is the less human actors.
Speaker 3: If the AI is going to take over, there's no
Speaker 3: way you can script for it right now. It's kind
Speaker 3: of a meme that if you're thorough, you'll talk to
Speaker 3: an MPC until you're just hearing the same prompts over
Speaker 3: and over, and that means that you've exhausted all the
Speaker 3: dialogue options in which you're you know, the person you're
Speaker 3: talking to, Like, there's only so much that you can
Speaker 3: script with a real person. But for an actor who
Speaker 3: would then be kind of prompting an AI voice, you're
Speaker 3: going in doing one day of work, maybe even only
Speaker 3: like an hour of work, and then that AI prompt
Speaker 3: is then generating an infinite amount of responses forever, right,
Speaker 3: And that's scary. That's scary. That's taking the human element
Speaker 3: out of the the you know, the interaction side of
Speaker 3: video games. And that's something that's kind of you know,
Speaker 3: it's a bridge we're going to have to cross. It's
Speaker 3: going to be you know, it's going to be a
Speaker 3: contract that needs to be signed. It's going to need
Speaker 3: to be some sort of agreement that we have. That's
Speaker 3: that is, you know, how we kind of control this
Speaker 3: forthcoming storm that is AI actors being part of video games,
Speaker 3: because that is real, That is very real. What is
Speaker 3: going to happen?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like more and more the more you
Speaker 1: describe it, the more it reminds me of like the
Speaker 1: media kind of content economy ten years ago on the Internet,
Speaker 1: where it's like it's very user driven and like it's
Speaker 1: like all all these creative people who are somewhat anonymous
Speaker 1: are driving a lot of the innovation, and it's just
Speaker 1: like kind of a lot of them are doing it
Speaker 1: for the love of the game. And that turned out well.
Speaker 1: I think we you know, now we have really great
Speaker 1: websites full of top tier user generated content, and no,
Speaker 1: it obviously went horribly wrong because nobody could like really
Speaker 1: figure out how to monetize that, and so they just
Speaker 1: like killed it.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: So I don't know difference outful until I had that thought.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it'll just continue innovating. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is one of the ideas that was thrown
Speaker 1: out in like in reading up on AI is like
Speaker 1: they're like, well, one of the problems we have with
Speaker 1: AI is that we don't have a body for this AI.
Speaker 1: This hard you know, chat gpt to go walk out
Speaker 1: into the world and like start getting data and feedback,
Speaker 1: like learning with its body and with its ability to
Speaker 1: move around in space. So that was just another thing
Speaker 1: that occurred to me as we were talking. It was
Speaker 1: like the NPC chat GPT model, Like in addition to
Speaker 1: being like a cool thing to play with, I could
Speaker 1: see that being prioritized by the company's, the AI companies,
Speaker 1: because that is something they're looking for as like something
Speaker 1: some mechanism for it to like go out and interact in.
Speaker 2: The real world and like be able to kind of
Speaker 2: move around on its own and just get like free
Speaker 2: R and D from Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in these games, it's like a character out in
Speaker 1: this like open world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but is gonna come away thinking like they believed
Speaker 2: I was African American due to the outsized use of
Speaker 2: racial slurs I hear from young gamers like I don't
Speaker 2: that data set is gonna be fucking poison.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad.
Speaker 1: Well ship, uh, Daniel, I feel like we could keep
Speaker 1: talking about this for weeks, But thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3: That's my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, making me less afraid of
Speaker 1: all the gaming ship that I hear what do you.
Speaker 1: I don't know what any of it means.
Speaker 2: Jack, did you come out of this? Is there a
Speaker 2: game now that? Obviously because you're you're up on on
Speaker 2: the Nintendo, we are Switch that bitch from Switch Switch exactly,
Speaker 2: the bits with the Switch. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm all of them. I'm I mean Power World.
Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna be all over this ship. Fort Fortnite,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, Fortnite. Fortnite is scary to me because
Speaker 1: I feel like I just like going and get shot
Speaker 1: in the head like immediately. But if like that, there
Speaker 1: are all these very derivations, like racing games and stuff
Speaker 1: like that is intriguing to me.
Speaker 2: You'll be like, Yeah, we'll be playing together and you're like,
Speaker 2: can we not do the battle? Can we just do
Speaker 2: like the the racing one.
Speaker 3: The racing's good? Wen?
Speaker 2: What you can't shoot me in this? This is the
Speaker 2: racing one? You said specifically?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?
Speaker 2: Anyways, Dan or what a pleasure? Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Follow you? Hear you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3: I think the last time was on the show, I
Speaker 3: said I am divorcing myself from social media entirely, but
Speaker 3: you can still find me on Instagram and twitch at
Speaker 3: dj Underscore Danel and I do have a piece of
Speaker 3: social media that I did want to share that I
Speaker 3: thought was really fucking funny. But I also wanted to
Speaker 3: share a actual game recommendation, something that I am enjoying
Speaker 3: personally that I think everybody who likes video games should play.
Speaker 3: It's on both PlayStation and it's on PC, and it's
Speaker 3: a game called Hell Divers two. Now that game is
Speaker 3: if you've seen the movies Oarship Troopers, it's that but
Speaker 3: a video game, and with all of the humor wrapped
Speaker 3: in it. It's so great. You're going to different planets
Speaker 3: and spreading democracy by shooting bugs in the face. And
Speaker 3: it rules four player PvE. It is great, full stop,
Speaker 3: great game. What can you download it on on playstage?
Speaker 3: I mean you on the PlayStation store, on Steam wherever
Speaker 3: you want. Wow, it rules. It's so so good. Let's
Speaker 3: play that. My piece of social media is from John
Speaker 3: Foley at two thousand and eight Phills, Philz and it's
Speaker 3: it's the picture of Travis Kelce yelling and Andy Reid
Speaker 3: right here, but the text above it is.
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on. Her sister was a witch, right?
Speaker 4: That was her sister a princess the wicked Witch of
Speaker 4: the East. Bro, you're gonna look at me and tell
Speaker 4: me that a w a wrong. She wore a crown
Speaker 4: and came down in a bubble Dog.
Speaker 3: Classic. It was a wild moment. I love I fucking
Speaker 3: love that. That's one of my favorite It's internet content.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Miles, where can people find you? What's the work
Speaker 2: media you've been enjoying? Find me on the at base platforms,
Speaker 2: at Miles of Gray, hell even on PlayStation Network where
Speaker 2: I occusually pop up now and then in between my
Speaker 2: parental duties. And also find Jack and I on our
Speaker 2: basketball podcast, Miles and Jack on ed mos. Or if
Speaker 2: you come to the Atlanta headquarters of I Heart Podcast,
Speaker 2: you will see posters up on the wall, which is
Speaker 2: really nice to see.
Speaker 3: Cool what else?
Speaker 2: Also find me on four twenty with Sophia Alexander talking
Speaker 2: about ninety day fiance. But tweet I like, I do
Speaker 2: like a tweet. It's from Jesse Dugan and this tweet
Speaker 2: is very interesting because it just look it's it's from
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. So forgive me for the delay here
Speaker 2: on this this.
Speaker 1: Entire week after the super Bowl, and we are giving you.
Speaker 2: That superlorry happened to because there's there's a photo of
Speaker 2: Reba McIntyre about to go to this Super Bowl. She's
Speaker 2: wearing a fur jacket and cowboy boots and her tweet
Speaker 2: was boots with the fur hashtag super Bowl blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and then Jesse you Dogan tweeted, Okay, this is the
Speaker 2: first time I've considered that the boots themselves did not
Speaker 2: have the fur. And yeah, I think the one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty seven thousand people that liked it were also like, fun,
Speaker 2: holy shit, we were thinking of fur. But is it
Speaker 2: just wearing your boots with the fur coat? Right? Anyway,
Speaker 2: we love we love a bit of simple breakdowns. Wow
Speaker 2: the lyrics, so yeah, shout out to you. Damn am
Speaker 2: I gonna have to do a Super Bowl tweet too.
Speaker 1: No, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore
Speaker 1: O'Brien workimedia. I've been enjoying the latest episode uh oh,
Speaker 1: He's melting down, the latest the latest eperson uh workimedia.
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying the latest episode of Last Culturistas sister
Speaker 1: podcast is has Tina Fay on it or it's probably
Speaker 1: the second in most recent by now By the time
Speaker 1: you hear it. Great to hear from Tina fe again.
Speaker 1: Great episode. Tina Fey is just yeah, like fits right in,
Speaker 1: just hops right into the double Dutch and knows all
Speaker 1: the references. Is media obsessed and it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to hear Matt and Bowen and Tina Fey
Speaker 1: kicking around.
Speaker 2: So you can go check that out that I don't think,
Speaker 2: so honey so good. That was really good. What did
Speaker 2: she say? She's like your new friends are and yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey was like, you can't basically
Speaker 2: saying he can't say his honest opening on movies anymore.
Speaker 3: Honestly is a luxury for the.
Speaker 2: Honesty is a luxury and something like about it your
Speaker 2: pob not worth it basically to be honest. Man. Expensive,
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. Honesty is expensive, honestly expensive, defensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this so well, that's a lesson we'll learn
Speaker 1: one of these days. I'm sure you can find us
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Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode, as well
Speaker 1: as a song that we.
Speaker 2: Think you might enjoy. My song you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 2: I think, well, look, I'm I'm feeling like, like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm an old head, and I was thinking about Timbaland
Speaker 2: and Magoo. You know, love to Love, You love to
Speaker 2: Love to Love? Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: just heard a remix on SoundCloud that was just like
Speaker 2: sometimes people do remixes that just give a song a
Speaker 2: whole new way of like like a new bounce to
Speaker 2: it that you really weren't seeing. And this is it.
Speaker 2: It's by Mike Nasty and it's called love to Love
Speaker 2: like in the song, but that's LUV the number two
Speaker 2: the Luv. It's a SoundCloud only joints, so you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to go on SoundCloud like like us real backpackers.
Speaker 2: We can find that real shit. But it's dope. This
Speaker 2: is Love to Love by Mike Nasty, the Timualimagu remix.
Speaker 1: We will link off to it in the footnotes.
Speaker 2: You can go right there.
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