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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty six,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily.

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Speaker 2: Bye production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 3: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 3: into America shit conscious Now.

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Speaker 1: And it is Tuesday, February twentieth, twenty twenty four gets

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Speaker 1: me every time, get away in one. We're way in

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Speaker 1: the future twenty four hot damn to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: You know what, that is a lot of twes miles.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it is too many Tues twenty two twos? Is

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Speaker 2: that a JAYZ song? Anyway? Too many National Leadership Day,

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Speaker 2: National Comfy Day, Get Comfortable, Okay, but that's also probably

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Speaker 2: some branding shit. National Muffin Day, I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 2: Big muffin is not behind that one. National Love your

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Speaker 2: Pet Day and National Cherry Pie Day. I think it

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Speaker 2: warrants its own day.

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Speaker 1: Hey yeah, yeah, and so on and so on, like

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Speaker 1: remember what's that summer? She my cher cherry pie?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's like she's my my chair.

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Speaker 2: She was my type of guy.

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Speaker 1: God flye super fly. Well, speaking of bad singing, my

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Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien aka.

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Speaker 2: This is Hudson News. You fucker. You'll be broke.

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Speaker 1: When we are done, pay your three pay checks for

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Speaker 1: checks mix, watn't you cry some more? And then forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes guitar solo just with my mouth. That is

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Speaker 1: courtesy Macaroni on the discord, Little Kansas. Tell you yeah,

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Speaker 1: and shout out to Hudson News checks next. At least

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Speaker 1: they're not consistent, not like that. At least it's not

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Speaker 1: thirteen dollars everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, it was like I said, like I

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Speaker 2: said four ninety nine at LAX. Couldn't believe it. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe it. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my

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Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Gras.

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Speaker 2: It's Miles grayk the Lord of Lancashim. You already know

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Speaker 2: it's the real Nojo Hank because I'm from NoHo and

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Speaker 2: you can take that to the bank. Uh. And I'm

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Speaker 2: also bald, so that kind of also works too. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: shout out to just me in North Hollywood. I'm at

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Speaker 2: the time. I'm I'm I'm I'm not out. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: in the real world right now. You're out about in

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Speaker 2: atl Georgia. Yeah, we do for you exactly. I mean yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you look like I said, I'm on that kryptonite,

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Speaker 2: as everybody knows, so find me there. Yeah. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: great to have you. It does. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: so much. Sounds like I got a little jet leg

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Speaker 2: Joe Namath in there is. Are you feeling a little less? Well?

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Speaker 2: Three hours is nothing, you know, and I could care

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Speaker 2: less about my No, you know, I'm not. No, three

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Speaker 2: hours isn't bad. I'm not like that. One doesn't throw

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Speaker 2: me off at all. Three hours because it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like the difference between like being a scumbag or having

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Speaker 2: a shit together. It's like I'm just kind of slept

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Speaker 2: in late or or you come back and you're like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to go with fucking six in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like my inability to deal with time changes being

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Speaker 1: having my shit together.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. No, I'm saying the Wade expresses itself

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Speaker 2: like when you're up earlier. It's not like I'm like fuck,

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Speaker 2: I'm all up, but like the like a you know,

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Speaker 2: responsible morning person time. Yeah yeah, yeah, which is good

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Speaker 2: for me because I'm not a morning person.

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Speaker 1: Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third

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Speaker 1: seat by a very talented producer, musicians, streamer, esports commentator,

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Speaker 1: one of the very first people to.

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Speaker 2: Work on this show with us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's constantly streaming everything because he is that bitch

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Speaker 1: on Twitch. He's a resident gaming expert.

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Speaker 2: It's DJ Dannel good Man.

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Speaker 3: A ka East Coast Daniel coming in live. Beep beep,

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Speaker 3: I'm walking here.

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Speaker 2: In New York. Light of the mix? How is it

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Speaker 2: going one hundred in the house? That was? That was?

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Speaker 2: That is incredible? That was good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and several other New York related things.

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Speaker 2: Is d one hundred New York?

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Speaker 1: I forget I've lived in some new I had a

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Speaker 1: Z ninety three in Dayton, Ohio. Shout up to Z

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Speaker 1: ninety three. That was the cool station when I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, twelve, But yeah, that brought me back.

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Speaker 2: Man, Well, so you're embracing. Look, people who don't know, Look,

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Speaker 2: Daniel is West Coasting. You know, he's born and raised

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Speaker 2: in l A. And now he's living he's relocated to

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Speaker 2: the big, Big Apple, and we shouldn't give away actually,

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't give away his location like that. That's fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he's in a B city in the East Coast.

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Speaker 2: You are in the you're in the Lower east Side.

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Speaker 3: And you're going on house.

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Speaker 1: You're not supposed to let our guests know that we

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Speaker 1: have a tracker on that.

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Speaker 2: Wait, but you I'm sorry. The thing that caught my

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Speaker 2: attention is you're identifying as East Coast Daniel.

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Speaker 3: Now it's just kind of a joke because now that

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Speaker 3: I've moved to the East Coast, my friends have said

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Speaker 3: I'm more salty, and they called me East Coast Dannel

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Speaker 3: anytime I pushed back even a little bit in the

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Speaker 3: wow yow wow, Okay, East Coast Daniel coming out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, salty?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, I had to wear a jacket today.

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Speaker 2: All right, I had to wear a jacket today. Exactly

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Speaker 2: my feet became Tim's. It's crazy quite literally, foot is

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Speaker 2: a Tim Now it's all Black air Force one facts.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm really selling drugs out here with my

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Speaker 3: all black forces. That's around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Have you. I don't know if you saw. There's like

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Speaker 2: there's like this whole wave of like older people on

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Speaker 2: social media who are discovering what the all like black

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Speaker 2: on black air Force means. There's like a teacher, that's all.

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Speaker 2: It is, like principal TikTok, like, yeah, my students were

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Speaker 2: like complimenting my sneaker game. And then some people just

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Speaker 2: started being like, oh your trouble, and She's like I

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Speaker 2: thought I just had a cool sneaker on, and then

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Speaker 2: I found out this is a boon shoe.

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Speaker 1: That I was associated with. Referees and priests. Right, they're

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Speaker 1: black on black sneaker. Just wait, priests wear black on

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Speaker 1: black sneakers. They're not wearing leather shoe. I mean they

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Speaker 1: like sometimes most often I'd say they wear the like

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Speaker 1: etonic all medically designed, all black. Yeah, sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: like got like nurse shoes or whatever. But I've definitely

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Speaker 1: seen I remember growing up in the church thinking like,

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Speaker 1: why do priests and referees shop at the same shoe store?

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Speaker 2: How can we never and how can we never see

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Speaker 2: them together at the same time. My priests is God's referee.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying exactly, Dan. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you this now that you're on

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Speaker 2: the East Coast, But stay preyed up, stay prayed up, man,

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Speaker 2: Stay up, bro, please right bro. I doubled over. I

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Speaker 2: doubled over in my chair. I stay preyed up.

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Speaker 1: That was stay preyed up. I mean that's like a

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Speaker 2: But yeah, rather than eat, pray, love, stay preyed up,

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Speaker 2: stay preyed up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you wonderful or you didn't get to know you

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Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, let's tell

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Speaker 1: the listeners just like, what what you're here to talk

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Speaker 1: about today? I can I can?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Say, we've been having AI and tech experts on yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: When we're like when does a new GTA come out?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Loser?

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Speaker 2: Doctor?

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Speaker 1: Why do you keep putting doctor in quotes whenever you

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Speaker 1: say this because I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know you had doctor? When's the new g TA

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Speaker 2: come out? Then? If you're so fucking smart? Hey sing

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Speaker 2: the lyrics the asap rocky song that was on the

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Speaker 2: GTA five track soundtrack, Go Go.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, but yeah, you know, in between doing gloom

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Speaker 1: conversations about like job loss, and conversations asking hey remember

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Speaker 1: and terminator two when terminators like come with me if

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Speaker 1: you want to live?

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Speaker 2: Remember that? Is that gonna happen?

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Speaker 1: We asked one I think it was our first AI

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Speaker 1: expert asked him what made him hope?

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Speaker 2: Hopeful.

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Speaker 1: You know what, what's the good thing that AI could

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Speaker 1: bring to the world, right, And he was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: a gamer, and I think it's gonna make games sick,

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Speaker 1: make and so I'm just kind of viewing that you

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Speaker 1: are plugged into the world of gaming. Yes, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about like where we're at in

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Speaker 1: this moment. You know, AI hasn't fully plugged into the

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Speaker 1: gaming world, but it seems like there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: cool shit on the horizon his way.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get a gaming insider's point of view. But

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Speaker 1: before we do any of that bullshit, it Dan, Well,

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Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something

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Speaker 3: Well recently, my most recent one was ikea eket help

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Speaker 3: reddit because let me tell you something, there's no better

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Speaker 3: place to learn about the things you're doing wrong when

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Speaker 3: you're building something on Ikea than to search the name

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Speaker 3: of the device or thing plus help plus reddit, because

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Speaker 3: when you're building five of the same cabinet and you

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Speaker 2: I have to see what Reddit has to say. Did

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Speaker 2: cheap IKEA stuff for a display, I know this product well,

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Speaker 2: oh cabinet yes, yes, yes, and the two door cabinet

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Speaker 2: use for like a cool product display. What went wrong

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Speaker 2: with I? For me, I believe that it's a simple assembly,

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Speaker 2: but what exactly what had occurred? It is?

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Speaker 3: It is a simple assembly. I will say the square

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Speaker 3: the small squares are are shockingly simple. They are. But

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Speaker 3: the thing about the two door shelf one is that

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Speaker 3: if you don't level those doors correctly, if you don't

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Speaker 3: level that shelf correctly before you put those doors in,

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Speaker 3: you're getting some doors that are like like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: some doors that are like that. You look back and

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Speaker 3: you're like doors that are what did we do?

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Speaker 2: Kill? Doors?

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Speaker 3: Doors? The doors that are like you close it in,

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Speaker 3: one is just a little bit above the other, and

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Speaker 3: it's enough so that it's like I can't look at

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Speaker 3: that all the time. Yeah, they need to be level yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's only when you go to Reddit and

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Speaker 3: search the actual instructions that someone tells you. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know how they tell you to do it in this order,

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Speaker 3: don't do it in that order. Don't put the little

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Speaker 3: Only do that at the end, when you're holding everything

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Speaker 3: in place, you have the doors level, then slip in

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Speaker 3: the little black clips that hold their everything in place,

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Speaker 3: because otherwise you will have it in that level, you

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Speaker 3: won't have your doors set in yet, and the whole

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Speaker 3: What h What's something you think is overrated? Overrated? Fancy

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Speaker 3: chili Crisp. I've been seeing a lot of these as

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Speaker 2: If it ain't got if it ain't got that face

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Speaker 3: Out here, big faces only. Yeah, But it was just

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Speaker 3: It's like it's almost an underrated but it's not because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those things too, where it's

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Speaker 1: Logo is like, you know, it's great, like the woman

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Speaker 2: Well because you need sort of like this happens. Like

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Speaker 2: When you're looking off camera too, like like she is

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Speaker 1: A thousand yards stare. No smile, like not a not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the furrowed brow is like, sorry, I got

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Speaker 2: Are we done here?

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Speaker 3: Truly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you? I need to get cooking.

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Speaker 1: There's also there's a European maybe it's I don't know exactly.

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Speaker 1: I saw it a lot in Italy, but a European

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm already yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's like I just couldn't couldn't look any sadder.

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Speaker 1: But in America, like you look at the Quaker Oats

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Speaker 1: more like just letting you know, everything's gonna be all,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I get from the Quaker oas guys,

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Speaker 1: Like what if we got somebody who smile was so

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Speaker 1: the Poulter Gheist guy. All right, what is What's something

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Speaker 3: This one was easy? Buffalo chicken dip. Now, I know

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Speaker 3: some of you are thinking, I think it's perfectly rated.

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Speaker 3: I think people really like it, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: agree with you. However, I see it at far too

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Speaker 3: July is at far too few events where buffalo chicken

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Speaker 3: dip would be a perfect thing to have on your

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Speaker 3: appetizer table. You could take a scoop, put it on

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Speaker 3: your plate, dip it yourself. You could take a chip

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Speaker 3: straight to the lake, crusee or whatever kind of pot

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Speaker 3: you have it in. Oh literally, just like you need

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Speaker 3: to be having buffalo chicken dip at so many of

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Speaker 3: these different incase because it is a one hit rate dip.

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Speaker 3: It combines buffalo chicken taste. Wings that you know are

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Speaker 3: I think one of the most favorable finger foods there are.

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Speaker 2: It's dip chicken wings yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear that. Yeah, Okay, more on that

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Speaker 3: in a second. It's a dip, so it's so easily accessible,

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Speaker 3: something you can eat as much of or as little

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Speaker 3: of as you want. Just want a little bit of

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Speaker 3: buffalo chicken dip. Take one chip to it, a boom.

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Speaker 3: You've had your taste and it's good. It also only

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Speaker 3: has four ingredients, and that right there is enough to

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Speaker 3: make it one of the best dips you can possibly have.

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Speaker 3: It is so easy to make. It takes ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: You can get everything at literally any grocery store. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it's good. Buffalo chicken dip underrated. It should be

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Speaker 3: at every party.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: My one complaint with a buffy chicky dip is it's

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Speaker 1: when it gets cold, it gets it gets pretty solid.

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Speaker 1: It makes it hard for my chips.

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Speaker 2: You you gotta.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things that you may have to

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Speaker 3: throw it back in the oven. I've done that before,

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Speaker 3: where I've made a big old thing a buff chick dip.

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Speaker 3: We've gotten halfway through, it's gotten halftime to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: We're watching Rihanna and we're like, I think we need

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Speaker 3: and people are like, oh, we a lot. You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 3: You're yeah, it gets thick quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the hard that's the only thing that's only

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Speaker 2: only knock against it, because like there are times you

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Speaker 2: pull up be like, oh it's buffalo chip and chicken dip,

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Speaker 2: and then you break your fingers you try to dip

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Speaker 2: something in it, right, Like that's why you should have

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Speaker 2: came when it came out.

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Speaker 3: That's fair. It takes management. But you know what, I

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Speaker 3: think you could say something similar about most hot dips.

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Speaker 3: Hot dips in general have that quality where it's like

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Speaker 3: it is their multi quality that makes them good. And

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Speaker 3: once they get to that solid or that like room tempt,

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Speaker 3: you're like this, this spin a charge joke too. It

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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of the quicker thicker chipper chicker dipper.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, no, M.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I was working out over here on my math.

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Speaker 3: Sheet scrap paper. I did say four ingredients though, I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to share them with anybody who's hearing this

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Speaker 3: or find some over complicated chicken dip. That's going to

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Speaker 3: tell you to do too much. One whole rotisserie chicken.

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Speaker 3: Two packets of cream cheese, the regular kind or whatever

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Speaker 3: like you know, you know when you get like one

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Speaker 2: Real fucking language.

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Speaker 3: Brock Philly cream cheese, one cup of Frank's Red Hot,

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Speaker 3: one cup of ranch, no choice, mix it all together.

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Speaker 2: No, can't do Frank's Red Hot.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, well, okay, then any kind of specifically vinegar

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Speaker 2: Sorry to add that, Frank.

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Speaker 3: It's important, No, I I appreciate that. It's important. Blue

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Speaker 3: or buffalo up. Sorry, blue cheese crumbles, another layer blue

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Speaker 3: cheddar or some other mix, go off. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it needs it, but that's your buffalo chicken tap throw

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Speaker 3: it in the oven. Twenty minutes at four hundred.

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Speaker 1: You're good, and you are gonna want to brick carry

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Speaker 1: those bricks of Philly in a briefcase, in a briefing

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Speaker 1: and exchange those for carry gold butter pets. There you

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Speaker 1: go like that, which we have discussed is a fair currency,

441
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Speaker 1: the currency of this podcast. And also, yeah, when you

442
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Speaker 1: buy the bricks at the store, if they're not saran

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Speaker 1: wrapped in basiline, that's not the right dime.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: You We're gonna have to cut those with a little

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Speaker 1: pocket knife and case.

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Speaker 2: There your finger in there exactly, and then go, no,

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Speaker 2: this ship's been this sh it's been stepped on like

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Speaker 2: a fucking tap dance in stage. Bro. All right, let's uh.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I was hoping this would be our

451
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Speaker 1: dumbest expert episode, and I think we're I think.

452
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Speaker 2: We're well on track. We're in a good place to

453
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Speaker 2: make this possible.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, let's uh, let's take not that you're

455
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Speaker 1: our dumbest expert, but probably let's be the one where.

456
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Speaker 2: We indulge our zanier sides where they're not. We're not

457
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Speaker 2: caught in between having serious conversations with academics or high

458
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Speaker 2: minded people who barely know what we thread the needle of. Like, okay,

459
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Speaker 2: don't put them off so much that they're like they

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Speaker 2: it was a waste of my time. T one thousand

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Speaker 2: or the arm Who you got? Yeah? Who you got? Hey? Doctor?

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Speaker 2: Who you got? Are we gonna talk about my my

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Speaker 2: Nobel prize winning work? Yeah? Yeah? In a second. In

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Speaker 2: a second, do you want to ask you who you got?

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Speaker 2: You think when she was holding onto that chain link

466
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Speaker 2: fence when the when the blast hits that she could

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Speaker 2: still be holding onto the gate and be like and

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Speaker 2: then the stuff thatsh's coming off her bones? I think

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Speaker 2: she just blow right off the fence, right doctor? Or

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Speaker 2: is it a crypt keeper situation? I mean, giving crip

471
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Speaker 2: creeper virus, what do we got?

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Speaker 1: That shit turns her into a crypt keeper?

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Speaker 2: Right fence? Love it all right?

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,

475
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Speaker 1: and we're back and yeah, So I don't know. I

476
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Speaker 1: have this like two ways of thinking of AI and

477
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Speaker 1: like technological progress in general. On the one hand, when

478
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Speaker 1: it's like coming from a corporate overlord and they're like,

479
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Speaker 1: it's gonna make it's gonna make humans irrelevant, it's gonna

480
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Speaker 1: make everything so fast and easy, it kind of becomes

481
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Speaker 1: nightmares and reductive. But when I hear, first of all,

482
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Speaker 1: when I just hear anybody talking about actually working with

483
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Speaker 1: that AI, the thing that gets them excited is like

484
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Speaker 1: I get to play with this thing, like it's fun

485
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Speaker 1: to play with. And then yeah, like as we were

486
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Speaker 1: saying before, when our AI experts came on, they were like,

487
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Speaker 1: there're gonna be fun, Like AI is gonna make video

488
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Speaker 1: games more fun to play, Like it's you're going to

489
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Speaker 1: have a toy that can like kind of be your

490
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Speaker 1: own little playmate that gets better and more fun to

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Speaker 1: play with. But just generally, I guess, before we get

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Speaker 1: into the future of gaming, I was curious if you

493
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Speaker 1: could give us just like a snapshot overview where we

494
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Speaker 1: at right now, thirty seconds go.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just kidding, Well, please tell Jack where he is.

496
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Speaker 2: He's confused Mexico or Egypt. I'm not quite.

497
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Speaker 3: Sure where the games are set right now. So you know,

498
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Speaker 3: when you sent me the prompt for this episode, it

499
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Speaker 3: did send me on an interesting path of kind of

500
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Speaker 3: exploring where AI was in video games. And I thought

501
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: it was important to kind of set up, like you

502
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Speaker 3: were asking for, where video games are now and actually

503
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Speaker 3: what the last four or five years of video games

504
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Speaker 3: have been to get to the point where we are now,

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Speaker 3: because the short answer to your question is we are

506
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Speaker 3: actually on the cusp of AI really taking a place

507
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Speaker 3: in video games. We're seeing it ever so slightly. And

508
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Speaker 3: something we're going to talk about later a very popular

509
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Speaker 3: game right now called Powell World. And I'm sure that

510
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Speaker 3: there are some listeners who are saying, oh, I know

511
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Speaker 3: what this is going to be about, and somebody they're saying,

512
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Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about.

513
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Speaker 1: And also the World Pale Gatsole game where you nailed

514
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Speaker 1: a different versions of the Pale Gastle.

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Speaker 3: Power World.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm familiar. I've been saying they needed

517
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Speaker 2: to invent this for a long Yeah. And then you're

518
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Speaker 2: raising Kobe's daughters as your own Jesus Christ. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's some it's never mind people who know

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Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, I just want to talk about how video

522
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Speaker 3: games used to be, what what video games were like

523
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Speaker 3: for me growing up, and for most people growing up,

524
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Speaker 3: video games were sixty dollars fifty to sixty dollars for

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Speaker 3: one video game. What you played really depended on what

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Speaker 3: your friends were playing. I bought a console because all

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Speaker 3: my friends were playing X. I bought my first console

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Speaker 3: because a lot of my friends were playing Mario and Zelda.

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Speaker 3: And then a bunch of my friends were playing Final Fantasy,

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Speaker 3: but I missed out on that because I didn't have

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Speaker 3: a PlayStation. I had it N sixty four. Then I

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Speaker 3: got a PlayStation two because a lot of my friends

533
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Speaker 3: were playing Devil May Cry in games like that. But

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Speaker 3: because of that, I missed out on Super Smash Brothers,

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Speaker 3: Melee because I didn't have a game cue. This story

536
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Speaker 3: is kind of tale as old as time, because you know,

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Speaker 3: I think most kids probably grew up in a one

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Speaker 3: console at a time household. To those who had multiple consoles,

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Speaker 3: you know, props to you. I'm happy to hear that

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Speaker 3: most of most read.

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Speaker 1: Many friends, but they didn't really like you.

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Speaker 3: They they didn't like it. It's not really like you exactly.

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Speaker 3: Another thing that was a big part of the you know,

544
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Speaker 3: kind of origins of multiplayer video gaming was very limited

545
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Speaker 3: internet connectivity. It wasn't until the OG Halo two, one

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Speaker 3: of the very first console games to offer online connectivity

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Speaker 3: and multiplayer, that people were really starting to play with

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Speaker 3: each other outside of their couches and outside of their houses.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of how gaming used to be. Gaming

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Speaker 3: was very much playing on your couch with your friends.

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Speaker 3: It was I have this console, that's all I can play.

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Speaker 3: I got this because all my friends are playing this.

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Speaker 3: It was very limited, it was not very It wasn't

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Speaker 3: a super democratized place because it was so focused on

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Speaker 3: what you had or what your friends had, and like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to say peer pressured, but

557
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Speaker 3: you wanted to play with your buds, so you kind

558
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Speaker 3: of had to adhere to what was the thing at

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Speaker 3: the time. And that's what gaming really used to be.

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Speaker 3: And over the last couple of years of gaming, we

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Speaker 3: have seen an incredible shift in that dynamic. We have

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Speaker 3: seen a huge push for things being cross platform, things

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Speaker 3: being on not just Xbox and PlayStation, but also on

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Speaker 3: mobile phones, on switch, on PC, being able to play

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Speaker 3: with anybody anywhere thanks to games like Fortnite or even

566
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Speaker 3: pubg To a certain extent, we also saw the rise

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Speaker 3: in esports, people being able to participate in the culture

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Speaker 3: of video games without actually having to play them, being

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Speaker 3: able to watch people and esports even goes into like

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Speaker 3: Twitch streaming and stuff like that. The culture of video

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Speaker 3: games being something that you can participate in even if

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Speaker 3: you don't have that console, even if you don't have

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Speaker 3: time to play that game, you can still participate because

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Speaker 3: you have access to what that game looks like, what

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Speaker 3: it feels like, because you're watching pros or you're watching

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Speaker 3: somebody do a let's play. We've also seen different genres

577
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Speaker 3: of video games creates a world that works for pretty

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Speaker 3: much everybody. And what I mean by that is there

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Speaker 3: are people that look at video games as strictly things

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Speaker 3: like Call of Duty or Madden. It's like your simulation

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Speaker 3: shooting or sports video game experience. But in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years, we've seen games like The Last of Us.

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Speaker 3: We've seen games like Balder Skate three. We've seen games

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Speaker 3: like Death Stranding, these single player experienced games that offer

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Speaker 3: some of the most rich storytelling, some of the most

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Speaker 3: avant garde art ever seen in video games, and some

587
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Speaker 3: of the most deep kind of character creative experiences, allowing

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Speaker 3: hundreds of different permutations of experiences, such that your experience

589
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: playing the same game could be completely different to somebody else's.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing the world of video games open up doors

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Speaker 3: for anybody who wants to get into them in any capacity.

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: It's not just about what your friends have anymore. It's

593
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Speaker 3: about how you want to experience this new storytelling art

594
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Speaker 3: form in any capacity you want to. And those are

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Speaker 3: what the last couple of years have really really opened

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Speaker 3: up for video games. Another thing that I've opened up

597
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Speaker 3: is the ability to create video games. Another thing that

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Speaker 3: you asked me about, and you know, a little sport

599
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Speaker 3: not spoiler, like a little behind the curtain for everybody here.

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Speaker 3: Jack had a bunch of questions that were put into

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Speaker 3: the dock that we have for this episode, and they

602
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Speaker 3: were awesome, awesome questions, and I do want to get to.

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Speaker 2: All of them, but I wonder, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to lay this groundwork for like where video

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Speaker 3: games have been and where they are now, because that

606
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Speaker 3: is kind of crucial to understanding why certain things are important,

607
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Speaker 3: or like why certain games become important and why they

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Speaker 3: enter the zeitgeist. So what I want to start with

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Speaker 3: first is the genre of the battle royale. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 3: a game called player Unknown's Battlegrounds came out. It was

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Speaker 3: a modified version of Arma III by this dude who

612
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Speaker 3: went by player Unknown. I can't remember his real name

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Speaker 3: right now. I could look at a plater. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to. It's not important because his title as player

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Speaker 3: unknown is really what's important. The battle royale genre is

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Speaker 3: a game where one hundred people drop into an open

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Speaker 3: world at the same time, pick up weapons off the ground,

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Speaker 3: and shoot each other to those one last person standing.

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Speaker 3: When you're that last person standing, win or winter Chicken dinner.

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Speaker 3: And the reason that game is so important is because

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Speaker 3: it brought us the Fortnite that we know today. Right

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00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: for Fortnite is just basically that. Right, Fortnite is just

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Speaker 3: basically that. But the reason that Fortnite is so important

624
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: to this equation is because not only did Fortnite see

625
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: what was going on with that, Fortnite was part of

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: the reason that was even able to happen. Fortnite is

627
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: made by the company Epic Games. Epic Games created what's

628
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Speaker 3: called the Unreal Engine, and the Unreal Engine is how

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Speaker 3: a lot of video games are made. PUBG was made

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Speaker 3: on the Unreal four engine. We are now currently on

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Speaker 3: the Unreal five engine, and so Epic Games was making

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Speaker 3: money off of every Battle Royale that was made on

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Speaker 3: Unreel four. Basically it was making money off of PUBG

634
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: being like, damn, there's a lot of money coming off

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Speaker 3: this shit, right, we have to completely chance player on battlegrounds.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, sorry about that. We have to change

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Speaker 3: what we're doing and make Fortnite that Fortnite originally and

638
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: its open beta was not that at all. It was

639
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: still this whole building game, but it was kind of

640
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: like a build yourself a big tower to survive waves

641
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: and waves of is like Pixar like looking zombies who

642
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: are going to attack your base. That was the original game.

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00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: It was called Save the World. Then they made the

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Speaker 3: battles truly the rest of the history. It is kind

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Speaker 3: I mean like a little minecrafty kind of like a

646
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: tower defense Minecraft kind of thing, and the building was

647
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: just super unique, but that genre unlocks something for a

648
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: lot of people, because what that said was they're shooting,

649
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: there's building. Why are we not mixing genres more often?

650
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Speaker 3: Why are we not taking these kinds of games that

651
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: exist already and just kind of combining them. Why aren't

652
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: we like putting two things together to make this kind

653
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: of new genre of game. Because it doesn't necessarily have

654
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: to be pritt and super pretty and honestly doesn't even

655
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: need to run well. It's if the concept itself is

656
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: unique that's going to make people want to play it,

657
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: and then the money is going to come in from that,

658
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: and then we can just keep going. And that's like

659
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: a big part of where games are going today in general,

660
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: mashing up genres, mashing up genres all right.

661
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Like taking advantage of new technology like greater connectivity.

662
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because so everything I see from No just

663
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: everything I see from Unreal Engine five is like frightening,

664
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: it's nuts, it's nice. How it's such a huge step

665
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: in how like like raid tracing and the light like

666
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: all the mechanics of how lightning is perceived in games

667
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I didn't realize that that was

668
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: sort of the inroad for for them to be like, oh, man, like,

669
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: look at what they're doing with the tools that we've created.

670
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: Let's just iterate on this and what that's just. And

671
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: so that's because for me, I'm mostly like a tent

672
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: pole triple a sort of I'm an old head, you know,

673
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: like I come from the era of like Nintendo Power

674
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: and a magazine was like, these are the three games

675
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: I come out this year. They're like, yeah, y versus now,

676
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: And I always hit you up too, because I'm so off,

677
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: like I'm not like I just don't pay attention to

678
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: indie games or other titles or things that because in

679
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm like free means it's bad, right, rather

680
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: than means it's also ubiquitous, and it now has the

681
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: largest user base and they have other ways to make money.

682
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have many sort of points of ignorance

683
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: when it comes to sort of like understanding like like

684
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: where this is headed. So now because of that, it

685
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: sort of normalized this idea of like, well, let's take

686
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: all the elements we know of games and we start

687
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: making games like this versus like I drew this character

688
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: during an acid trip, and I think this could be

689
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: like the whole franchise. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

690
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean one of the AI innovations that feels like

691
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: it makes the most sense to me. I guess is

692
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: that it might affect people's ability to like code quickly

693
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: write code quickly. That's something that you hear people who

694
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: can write code talk about. But I guess, like which

695
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: would make it more possible, like easier for somebody with

696
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: a vision to like build a game right without the

697
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: backing of like these Triple A company totally. But yeah,

698
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: So I'm always intrigued by just hearing about like indie

699
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: games that are doing cool, like intriguing new things about

700
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: like what what it means to play games.

701
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are there.

702
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: You know what what are what are some of the

703
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: games some of the mashups that you've seen recently that

704
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: you see on the horizon that are changing video games

705
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: from a medium where you control a little fucker who

706
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: runs around on an imaginary world and picks up coins.

707
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: That's the only one that I know exactly. I'm a

708
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: bit of an old head myself.

709
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: I love it.

710
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: So there's you know, I want to say that while

711
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: there are a lot of these games that are you know,

712
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: true mashups, I think it's also important to highlight the

713
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: games that are still revolutionizing these in just like main

714
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: stage genres, single player RPG games, which feels like ground

715
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: we have tread so much over and over and over,

716
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: just to shout out, Balder's Gate three again is like

717
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: a whole new thing. Zelda, Teers of the Kingdom, Alan

718
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: Wake two, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, a sequel to Star

719
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: Wars the Last Oh My God, Jedi Fallen Order, one

720
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: of the best Star Wars games. Yet it's like we're

721
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: still and even Spider Man two, the Spider Man twenty

722
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: eighteen game, and then Spider Man two that came out

723
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: this year. We're taking the genre of single player game

724
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: and just keep on refining it and making better and

725
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: better games, taking ground that feels like it's already so tread,

726
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: and then still making something absolutely incredible. And by the way,

727
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: all those games are just listed. We're just from last year,

728
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Like twenty twenty three was such an absolutely mind blowing

729
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: year for video games.

730
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: But you like Balder's Gate three, like what, yeah, maybe

731
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: the best RPG of all time? Short notes here, like

732
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: what makes it that? Like what are you finding yourself

733
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: doing in that game? Like what's mind blowing about it?

734
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: So, Balder's Gate three is basically a video game version

735
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: of Dungeons Dragons. It played entirely on the Dungeons and

736
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: Dragons fifth Edition, fifth like extended edition rule set, And

737
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: so what feels like this kind of very like you know,

738
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: rule base, sitting with your friends looking through books kind

739
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: of game experience has been turned into this super deep

740
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: world with a seemingly infinite number of possibilities. When you're playing,

741
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: you create your own character. You're choosing from a bunch

742
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: of different races and abilities and and like you know,

743
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: classes and all this stuff, and you are creating your

744
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: own experience by how you interact with the world around you,

745
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: all based within the rule set of Dungeons and Dragons.

746
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 3: And a lot of people will hear Dungeons and Dragons

747
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: and be like, I'm not about that shit too complicated.

748
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: There's a way that this game offers you so many

749
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: controls and makes a super super complex multibook rule set

750
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: into something that is much easier to kind of control

751
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: and understand, right, And that challenge in itself was such

752
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: an undertaking that Baller's Gate three rehit so well that

753
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: it has just completely taken over the RPG game. And

754
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 3: by the way, RPG is short for role playing game,

755
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: So you're picking your role and playing through it in

756
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: this world. Balder's Gate is a three act game. You're

757
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: playing in three different places in the game. It's multiple places,

758
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: but you're going through three acts. It's a three act story,

759
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: and as you play through it, you make choices that

760
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: completely affect your entire play through, and everybody's experience is

761
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: different depending on what choices you make or where you go.

762
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: And it's not the kind of thing where it's like

763
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: iose one of three paths. It's anybody who I've talked

764
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: to who's played the game has played it a different

765
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: way with a different outcome. I'm talking hundreds of different ways.

766
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Are you playing with people, like just other people?

767
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you can play you can play as

768
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: a team of four or and this is the big thing,

769
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: you can play by yourself offline. You don't even need

770
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: to be online. And that's something that just feels like

771
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist anymore in gaming. That's kind of like

772
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: truely single player offline experience with so many other games

773
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: that require you to be online. You can play couch

774
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: cop you can play with somebody right next to you,

775
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: like you can just play it together or play it

776
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: completely by yourself and have this unique experience and play

777
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: around with these pre made characters that have their own

778
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: storylines that you could even you can even romance, you

779
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: can be like you know, one of them is a

780
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: cleric who can turn into a bear, and you can

781
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: you can have sex with the bear. You can have

782
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: sex with the bear. Drewid not a cleric, but.

783
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: There, you know, I mean, I mean, come on, that

784
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: is on the front of the game.

785
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 3: Is on the front.

786
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Anyway you can have you can have sex with the bear.

787
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: But back to the question you were asking me that

788
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: these new types of games you're also seeing, these indie

789
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: game you're also seeing like different types of games getting

790
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: a new life to them. I'm sure you guys have

791
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: heard of games like Pokemon or Magic the Gathering. I'm

792
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: talking card games where you have it well, you have

793
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: a leave them behind, leave them behind down, you got

794
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: a deck of cards. Each card is either like you know,

795
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: it gives you the power to do something. I think

796
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: they just explain many exactly. Anyway, The point is, like

797
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: card games have existed on you know, in video games

798
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: as well. You've had like Hearthstone, even the Magic the

799
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: Gathering has zone online game. But now you have a

800
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: new version called Marvel Snap Do you play on your

801
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: phone and it's a new take on the card Babbler.

802
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: You even have a game made by Riot Games, who

803
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: makes League of Legends. It's called Team Fight Tactics and

804
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: it almost plays like a card game that also plays

805
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: like chess. Some people call it auto chess, and like

806
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: you may remember from Star Wars A New Hope when

807
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: Chewie and Obi Wan Kenobi are playing that like chess

808
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: game where like on the round board and the holog

809
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: every things, that is this game. But imagine that you

810
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 3: have like cards with abilities and you're placing your little

811
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: tokens on a board and depending on where they're placed,

812
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: you just watch them battle it out. It's an auto

813
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: chess style game, completely new, never existed before, like four

814
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: years ago, just a completely different style of game. You

815
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: have these indie games, like this new one that just

816
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: came out called Lethal Company, where it's honestly just a

817
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: spooky game where you walk around these completely barren lands

818
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: picking up ingredients to go sell them, but there's no map.

819
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: All your communication is through your in game microphone. You're

820
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: weird spacemen and you could be attacked by aliens at

821
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 3: any moment. That game is not a genre that exists.

822
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: It's not like a oh yes, of course, just like

823
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 3: this other game or whatever. It's these kind of just

824
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: like like concept games that people have the ability to

825
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: make because there's so much because they're like smaller because

826
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: they don't take as much work. Another example is this

827
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: the other game Fasmophobia, which is a ghost hunting game.

828
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: You walk into a building with a walkie talkie and

829
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: you're like, hello, are you here, and depending on if

830
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: the ghost hears you in might respond.

831
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: To you, because I'm afraid of no ghosts.

832
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Also doesn't it doesn't interest us, and that's why we

833
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: were going to ask you to stop talking about it.

834
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: That doesn't scare us, and it doesn't even make us

835
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: like interested.

836
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: We're just like, I cannot remember it every phobia.

837
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you can.

838
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: I ask you a serious question though, down ghost Okay. So,

839
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: like there's this scene and Terminator too, where Arnold Schwarzenegger

840
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: he's trying to figure out what's going on and whether

841
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: or not Edward Furlong's family is okay and He asked

842
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: him what his dog's name is, and he goes, Hey, Janelle,

843
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: what's wrong with Wolfy? And then she's like, Wolfy's just fine,

844
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: and he goes, your foster parents are dead? Is is

845
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: that kind of like gaming inside the terminator's brain? Is

846
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: that the kind of AI stuff? We can thank you

847
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: for asking the question, and this is this is why

848
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: we're good because like that's the question that every listener

849
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: was actually thinking, right then, how do you figure that out? Hey,

850
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: what's your day? Goes? He goes, he goes, what's your

851
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: dog's name? And goes, what's wrong with the fucking straight

852
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 2: up game theory?

853
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: That ship games him right there? Gamed him right there?

854
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: The dogs name, He just asked him what it was

855
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: and then he said a different name?

856
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: Are they different? But are there any so right now

857
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: with AI? Thos? Now back to back to the non

858
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: serious stuff like are is AI A being used to

859
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: speed along the development games? Or we're not quite there yet?

860
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: Or are people just using are they cutting corners with AI?

861
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: Because I'm still like because I know in the in

862
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: the episode that Jack's talking about with doctor Joel Zadoc,

863
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: he was talking about how like the capability like it

864
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: could make MPCs much richer, like a much more rich

865
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: environment when you have non playable characters have like these

866
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: kinds of you know, chat bot levels of intellect or

867
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: whatever intelligence what everyon want to call it.

868
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: But like in New York Times author columnists into thinking

869
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: that they want to fuck him, but like.

870
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Me to leave my w Like, how much AI is

871
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: being used to either develop games, like to speed things along,

872
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: or to integrate that with like actual characters involved, or

873
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: how much is just using AI to just rip other

874
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: stuff off?

875
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: And then here's a game, so I rip off a

876
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: really contemporary example of exactly what you're talking about, unfortunately

877
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: in the cutting corners ripping stuff up department is this

878
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: game power World. Yeah, power game developed pl p ah

879
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: w r ld pal World. Power World is a new

880
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: game for Xbox and PC developed by a company called

881
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: Pocket Pair whose last game was called craft Topia, and

882
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: Power World is more or less an open world, crafting

883
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: survival Pokemon game. And you open up this game, you

884
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 3: press play, and you wake up on a beach surrounded

885
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: by three Pokemon that I'll just say this if you

886
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: were somebody who played the first Pokemon and you're like, well,

887
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: I know the first one hundred and fifty Pokemon. Pretty well,

888
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: I know what they all look like, but I haven't

889
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: played in years, and there's literally been hundreds of Pokemon

890
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: since then. There's no way that you could tell the

891
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: difference between the creatures the pals in this game and

892
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: Pokemon of today. They're a it's not real Pokemon. It

893
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: is not like Pokemon. No, they did not at all.

894
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: In fact, the CEO of Power World's developer, Pocket Pair,

895
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: he's huge into AI generation. He had a whole series

896
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: of tweets about how, you know, honestly, using GPT four

897
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: will make game development so much faster. Here here's a

898
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: list of Pokemon that I just developed by you know,

899
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: talking to GPT and having it, you know, generate all

900
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: these images. And this is really well documented online of

901
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: him just talking about how great this generation quality is

902
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: and it's raising and here's the thing, it's raising a

903
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: ton of suspicion because it's like the CEO of the

904
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: game company is like, look how easy this is to do,

905
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: and then they release a game that is a survival

906
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: crafting game, which is very popular right now, and I

907
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: can talk about that in a sec. But these Pokemon characters,

908
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: they just these pals rather, they just don't look that

909
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: different from Pokemon.

910
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: Dude, they're so bad. Have you seen that one RDC

911
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: World sketch?

912
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 3: No?

913
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, but you know already you know RDC World.

914
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: It's like those black sketch comedians that like they'll usually

915
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: do stuff that'll wrap up like an NBA season, the

916
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: likes Sixers, Locker Room and like, they just do kind

917
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: of character. But anyway, they had one about Power World,

918
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: and it was like a sketch where the dude was

919
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: playing the lawyer for them. Oh, he's like what he's look,

920
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: He's like, these are Pokemon literally literally not even this

921
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: is not And yeah, it seems so blatant. I'm like,

922
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: how can you even, like, I guess, like to to

923
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: someone like I'm familiar with POKEM. I didn't play it,

924
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: but I know the characters and I know the style

925
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: very well, so when I see it, I'm like, how

926
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: can this stand?

927
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the kind of thing where I think

928
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: it's it's it's one of those things where you see

929
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: it a lot in movies a little bit, you see

930
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: it in TV a little bit, where there are these

931
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: concepts that are very very popular I know there's times

932
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: where we've seen two movies that are very similar come

933
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: out around the same time that are like, you know,

934
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: like it was that movie that was like Ashton Kutcher

935
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: and Milaicunis, and.

936
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: That like.

937
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Friends it's no strings attention, Bam, thank you. Two movies

938
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: that are The Illusionists and The Prestige Boom exactly. You're

939
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: seeing Pa, thank you very much, Classic Mac and me

940
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: Boom Boom. There we go, these kinds of game that

941
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: we're more comfortable thinking about movies than video games.

942
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I would keep doing it. I knew I

943
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: made the right example. Are dead boom? This with video

944
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: games right now? This is what happens where there's a

945
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: concept that comes out right now. It's called survival crafting.

946
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: You had a game like Valheim doesn't mean anything, but

947
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: it's Viking crafting survival. You have The Rising, which is

948
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 3: Dracula crafting survival. You had Fortnite, which made their own

949
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: as a collab with Lego. That's Lego crafting survival. Power

950
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: World is Pokemon crafting survival. Another one is Enshrouded, which

951
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: is like Witches and Wizards crafting survival. They're all the

952
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: exact same game that are trying to drill down into

953
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: what do people really want to play? That's some variation

954
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 3: of this style of game.

955
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: Is mine the original Crafting Survival?

956
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: Yes it is, because.

957
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: Like that Minecraft took me a little while to get

958
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: my head around because I'm like, wait, why are people building?

959
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: Though?

960
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's not the point of the video game.

961
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: We play something someone else built, Why why they build?

962
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: Why they built?

963
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: But then I thought about that.

964
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: Level of an excite bike where you can build your

965
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: own excite bike course on and then I was like,

966
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: let's go excite bike course is the og Minecraft?

967
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: Thank you?

968
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: And that's why I started with PUBG in twenty seventeen,

969
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: because that was when games were really starting not easy

970
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: to make, but there was so much more efficiency in

971
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: making games that Fortnite was able to be like, Oh,

972
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: this is the thing we need to do, so it's

973
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: not just Battle Royale, it's Battle Royale with building. Then

974
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: Apex Legends was Battle Royale, but it's three D three

975
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: and the maps are hyperrealistic, and we're also adding these abilities.

976
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: And you just had this series and series of Battle

977
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: Royale games. After Battle Royal Games, there was a Battle

978
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Royal game with Magic Battle Royale game with like that

979
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: was top down Battle Royale was another one of these

980
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: genres that everybody was trying to tackle, and it just

981
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: this is what video game development is right now. You

982
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: see people taking a genre that is very popular and

983
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: just drilling, drilling down. I think I use the word

984
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: plaguing the video game space with the exact kind of

985
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: game over and over again until players get tired of it,

986
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: and then like a year later, the perfect version comes out.

987
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, okay, well that's what we should play, right.

988
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's like the same way we've seen

989
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: like online sketch comedy and stuff evolve too, or like

990
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: especially TikTok. Like I just think back, like let me

991
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: just go back about thirteen years. It's twenty eleven, and

992
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: we had we had some shit called shit blank people say,

993
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: they use a comedy, you know what I mean. And

994
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: it was first like shit black guys say, or shit

995
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: la people say, and then it basically turns like, oh shit,

996
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: we have a format. Now we can adapt to whatever

997
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: the fuck we're really into. And now I feel like

998
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: that's what's like to your point about these Survivor Builder

999
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: games too, It's like the shit Pokemon people said this

1000
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: is the Bilberd like precently, which totally makes sense because

1001
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: now our you know, we have the ability for our

1002
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 2: tastes to be so specific, and because of the ease

1003
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: of development, developers are also able to kind of meet

1004
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: people where they're at. They're like, Oh, Okay, I see

1005
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: what y'll y'allmant howbout that you could come up? It

1006
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: might not be the finished thing, but it's we're like,

1007
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: it's all building towards this sort of style or I

1008
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: don't know, just the way the ideation has changed. And

1009
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: I think that's probably because like with comedy, before the Internet,

1010
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: it was more like, well, what are the people in

1011
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: these five shows think comedy is? And that was performing

1012
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: comedy versus the Internet being like na, man, everybody can

1013
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: get in now and we can now find audiences for

1014
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: every kind. So I see a lot of parallels with that. Yeah,

1015
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break, we'll be a right pack

1016
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: and we're back. Yeah. I think that's a really good point.

1017
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: I was about the like democratization of all these different

1018
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: forms of media. Like I feel like with movies, we've

1019
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: seen like there was a lot of excitement around like oh, man,

1020
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: there's like all these sketch groups online and like that,

1021
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: you know you're discovering new talent that way and that.

1022
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's like kind of gone.

1023
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Away a little bit.

1024
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: But with gaming, I feel like I could see that

1025
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: just theoretically, not not knowing much about the industry at all,

1026
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: but like that's what is exciting to me, is that

1027
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: like as coding becomes more and more you know, boosted

1028
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: by AI like it, it feels like it's going to

1029
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: be easier and easier for people to like everybody to

1030
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: like come up with an idea, like an iteration on

1031
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: an existing game and just like make it happen. As

1032
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: opposed to with movies, I feel like it's still still

1033
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: need like good performances, right, You still need like these

1034
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: things that are hard to get, and like usually you

1035
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: need a lot of money. So like gaming is build

1036
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: is like writing based, idea based thing that I could

1037
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: see in the near future just becoming like more democratic

1038
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: than any of the other like major forms of media.

1039
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to highlight one other thing about the

1040
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 3: gaming space right now that I think is really fun

1041
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: and is is what kind of like adds to that

1042
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: or what adds to the what I started with about

1043
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: how it is so open to any kind of experience

1044
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: you want to have. There's lots of games that are

1045
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: developed these days that are developed by one person just

1046
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 3: because they're super excited about this one prospect. A very

1047
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: famous example is a game called Stardy Valley. Stardi Valley

1048
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: is developed by one person. I wrote on this person's name,

1049
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: Eric Concerned Aped barone. Now Eric made this one game

1050
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: himself as a farming simulator, but it's also slightly relationship.

1051
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: He's Italian pronunciation yea.

1052
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: Concerned Wait, why is he concerned ape? That's like that,

1053
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: that's just his user name, concerned Ape. It's kind of

1054
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: like player unknown, right, I just can't remember playing. It

1055
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: wasn't like an NFT play they go exactly. Stardie Valley,

1056
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: a game developed by one person as a twenty twenty two,

1057
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: has sold twenty million copies. It's a game that struck

1058
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 3: a nerve with people who wanted to make a farming

1059
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: simulator type game, and it's just one person who's doing

1060
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: something they love at a time when a genre wasn't

1061
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: exactly like it's That is not a game that was

1062
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: a drilled down version of a genre. That was super

1063
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: super popular at the moment. That was just something that

1064
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: struck people really strongly. Another genre of game or another

1065
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: developer who made a game that, again was not something

1066
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: that people something people were looking for, is a guy

1067
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: named Bennett Foddy. He's made a web game you may

1068
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: have heard of called quap qw oh, the running one

1069
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: of the running one. He developed the running game where

1070
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: all you have is qwop to control the knees and

1071
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: legs of a runner, and your point is to do

1072
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: one hundred meter dash. And it is so it's controlled,

1073
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: it is so punishingly slow and stupid that people love

1074
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: doing it because it's just so hard to do. He

1075
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: made another game called Getting Over It, where you are

1076
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: a naked person sitting in a black kettle with a hammer,

1077
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: and your whole goal is to climb up a mountain

1078
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: by using your hammer to propel yourself up the mountain,

1079
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: and the entire time Bennett Foddi is narrating why you

1080
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing this and why it's frustrating and how

1081
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: punishing the whole process is. Where does that fit on

1082
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: the scale of these video games? How is that a

1083
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: Battle Royale like Fortnite? How or Fortnite. How is that

1084
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: like a farming simulator like Starry Valley. It's not. This

1085
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: is a guy who has a passion for making these

1086
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: unique experiences the ability to do so just by being

1087
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: a coder and with these gaming tools. I think he

1088
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: made it in Unity, which is another engine similar to

1089
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: the Unreal engine, and it's decided to make this game

1090
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: that has now sold millions of copies. It is another

1091
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: one like.

1092
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: He also profoundly hates humankind. You might say that like

1093
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: a Larry David style outlook on yes humanity.

1094
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: Yes.

1095
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: Exactly, that everybody should play it.

1096
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: I missed looking like Jordan belf Belle fort on Kwayludes

1097
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 2: trying to run on that thing been my man.

1098
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just one of these things where it's like,

1099
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: you know, the world of video games almost feels, you know,

1100
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: less like TV and movies and almost like the world

1101
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: of music, where the tools to create it have become

1102
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: so easy to access that Like, while you have people

1103
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: who are making who are trying to be the next

1104
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift or trying to be the next Dead Mouse,

1105
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: or trying to be the next Kendrick Lamar, you have

1106
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: people who are also just like I made this weird

1107
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: song and all of a sudden that sound pops all

1108
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: that you have people who are one hundred gecks narratively,

1109
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: or you have people who are just doing something that

1110
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 3: is complete, who's so different and completely off the wall.

1111
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: You're Sophie's of the world. You're like, you're you know,

1112
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's another like very peculiar or like

1113
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 3: a unique artist. Right now, you get what I mean.

1114
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: My point is is that, like the tools are so

1115
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: easy to access and democratize.

1116
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: There they go people.

1117
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: It was a good originally it was a version of that, right.

1118
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but people who are taking these tools to

1119
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: make something that is unique to them that is not

1120
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: necessarily being asked for at the time, but finding the

1121
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: right audience for it such that it becomes super popular,

1122
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: even if at the time it's like what is this

1123
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 3: even for video games? Offer that lane and that is

1124
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: something that makes me really excited about the future of

1125
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: video games. We just keep getting more stuff like that

1126
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: because the tools are so easy to act.

1127
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: Right, Because it's almost like so like when someone makes

1128
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: a game, it's like because I know music production and

1129
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: video production pretty well, It's like because I remember if

1130
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: you wanted to make music. Like it's like, did you

1131
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: have these old school production keyboards that had the sounds

1132
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: that you wanted that you were hearing on the thing,

1133
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: then yeah, exactly do you have that core? You got

1134
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: a triton, you know, yeah, you have all that, And

1135
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: then but now you have more like effects packs that

1136
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: come out like you know, SAMP like whatever, VSTs that

1137
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: give you certain keyboard sounds that you didn't have before.

1138
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: Is that how people are kind of making games too,

1139
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: like where these are sort of like modular and you

1140
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: can kind of be like, Okay, I need a little

1141
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: bit of this. I need I need my version of

1142
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: Massive for lack of a better comparison to making like

1143
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: electronic music, and so I can use that for for

1144
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: the physics, will be the game engine, and then I

1145
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: can use these other things. So it does feel like

1146
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: kind of like if you're savvy enough, there there is

1147
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: a way to sort of like execute on like an

1148
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 2: idea because they're just like those elements are just there

1149
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: versus years before. It's like, well, do you have a

1150
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: seven hundred person team? This is one of the last

1151
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: things I want to talk about, and it's one of

1152
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: the things that you just got to cut the episode short. Okay,

1153
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: I don't go for about like an hour or so,

1154
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: but anybody, go ahead. This is this is the last

1155
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: thing you're going to talk about, all right, D's it's

1156
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: related the last time I'm telling this. Listen up.

1157
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: Another question that Jack posed was about Disney throwing money

1158
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: at Epic. I'm trying to see where it was in

1159
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: here because I just like I saved the place for it.

1160
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: Cut all this.

1161
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: This is all bullshit. Here we go. Okay, are you

1162
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: reading through my notes?

1163
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, this is.

1164
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: And you know it's what I'm talking about.

1165
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, let's just let's just mute Night Channel thinking.

1166
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: Okay, this is kind of going back to Fortnite and

1167
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: the Unreal Engine and all of and all of that

1168
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: and what you know they're creating with Fortnite. Disney just

1169
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: threw one point five billion dollars, which is about like

1170
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: a four to five percent steak in Epic.

1171
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: Why are they That's wait, that's a four percent steak

1172
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: in Epic is one and a half. It might be

1173
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: it might be less. Honestly, Yeah, I didn't. I don't

1174
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: know how much stuff is worth anymore. They're an enormous company.

1175
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 2: I know shot Tank though you say, if you said

1176
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: if you came out one point five BILLI for four percent,

1177
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: I'd like get the fuck out.

1178
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, huge, It is a huge amount for not

1179
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: that big of a steak. But what Disney is getting

1180
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: out of that is this connection of their IP to

1181
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: things like Fortnite, the ability to use on Real five

1182
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: to help make movies, and just like this connection into

1183
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: a world that people are already in all the time.

1184
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: Now you've heard the term metaverse being thrown around so

1185
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: loved and like Facebook wanted to make one, blah blah

1186
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: blah wanted to make one, but they're not crazy that

1187
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: he got to it first. And now, like for so

1188
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: many people when they hear meta metaverse, they're like they

1189
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: picture Mark Zuckerberg with no legs, like Mark Zuckerberg's little

1190
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: avatar floating around with no legs, Like, no, this is

1191
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: the future. This dude just like fucked it up in

1192
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: the main Street. He just completely fucked it up. But

1193
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 3: it is funny how the branding of that kind of

1194
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: came to him because people don't think of Fortnite as

1195
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 3: the metaverse. But when you can be Lebron James or

1196
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: Soske from Naruto or Alloy from Horizon Zero don or

1197
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: Peter Griffin from Family Guy aside character in Fortnite. That

1198
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: is the metaverse when you and your friends are jumping

1199
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: into the Fortnite launcher and playing Fortnite traditional Fortnite Fortnite

1200
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: with no building, or a racing game developed by Psionics

1201
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 3: the people who make Rocket League, or they're playing a

1202
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: rhythm game developed by Harmonics, the people who made rock Band,

1203
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: or they're making the survival crafting game in collaboration with Lego,

1204
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: all within one game, all within Fortnite. Fortnite is not

1205
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: trying to be like the best shooter. Fortnite is trying

1206
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: to be Nintendo. When your mom used to say, oh

1207
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: are you playing that? Nintendo? Fortnite is trying to be

1208
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 3: oh are you playing that? Fortnite. Fortnite is so many

1209
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: different git and it kind of is now not only that,

1210
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: like Fortnite has their own tools built into the Fortnite

1211
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: engine for you to create your own game. Like if

1212
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: you open up Fortnite, you'll see the main games Fortnite, Fortnite,

1213
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: Note Build, Lego, Fortnite, Rocket Racing, Harmont or it's I

1214
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: can't remember what it's called. It's the rhythm game. It's

1215
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: like main Stage or some shit like that.

1216
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: But then you have fifteen or sixteen other most popular

1217
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: user created modes that you can just play that are

1218
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: completely different games, all built within the Fortnite engine, like

1219
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: Fortnite is, or rather Epic Games is using Fortnite as

1220
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: the tip of the spear for Unreal Engine five to

1221
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: show people what you can do with this tool, right,

1222
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: people who are.

1223
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: Building those games making money, Like, are they taking out

1224
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: the Wait? Can't you can't you make money off of

1225
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: like a.

1226
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: Map you can make money off of? I'm you know,

1227
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm actually not sure. Okay, because I'm not sure. I don't.

1228
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1229
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Bullshit.

1230
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: Just check that, because if you can make money off

1231
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: of Fortnite map, that'd be interesting. But I'm pretty sure

1232
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: they're just user generated and it's like if people are

1233
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: playing them.

1234
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no. The only reason I know this is

1235
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: because there's a player at Arsenal in the academy. He's

1236
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: not like in the main team yet. He's like a

1237
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: teenager named Rouel Walters, and he like like they're like

1238
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: before he got signed his professional contract, they're like this

1239
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: kid was already making money on Fortnite because he was

1240
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: he made like a super popular map.

1241
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: Really yeah, well there you go. I mean like if

1242
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 3: then if they're making i mean, if kids are making

1243
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 3: money off that, then that's even more awesome.

1244
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1245
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so they're the engine that makes all

1246
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: of this creation possible exactly, and they're making a big

1247
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: chunk of the money. But like the people who are

1248
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: going on there and being creative are able to like

1249
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: get some part of it.

1250
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: He said in this article in The Athletic. It's like, yeah,

1251
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: because of the creator code or whatever. Oh that's different.

1252
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh what's that's different? Creator code is basically a way

1253
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: that you can say, this person brought me here. So

1254
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: if you enter a creator code when you're buying a

1255
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 2: skin on Fortnite, there's a little kickback to the creator

1256
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: who did that to you. So he's probably streaming on

1257
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: Twitch and said, use my creator code, and and then

1258
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,479
Speaker 2: you buy skins. It's a kickback to me. He said.

1259
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty million people played his map in

1260
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: one week. That's fucking crazy. That's awesome. Anyway, That's what

1261
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: I was just like, Yeah, I knew there was like

1262
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: some way, but yeah, maybe not, there's a way sorry,

1263
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: go on, right, no.

1264
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: But still but but that but that is a whole

1265
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 3: other thing. That's that's just the it's just these little

1266
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: tools that like Fortnite or Epic Games offers just within

1267
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 3: the Fortnite engine, where it's just like, oh, yeah, use

1268
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 3: my code, type in my name so that you kick

1269
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: back to me who you like to just buy whatever

1270
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 3: skin you're gonna buy, right, and sometimes those skins are

1271
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: actual people like I said, Lebron James or even random

1272
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: streamers who are you know, part of the animal community

1273
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: such that me. Could you yeah, could you imagine the

1274
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: boring skin? But then you have people like the Weekend

1275
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: and then you have Peter Griffin, and then you have

1276
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: Pickle Rick. You just have all of this ip that

1277
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: is within the world of Fortnite, so that you can

1278
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: be whoever you want in the world of Fortnite whenever

1279
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: you're playing any of those games, right, Like, that is

1280
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: what they're That is the world that they're creating that

1281
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: they're that is like it's it's.

1282
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: It's wild how like interchangeable it can be, you know,

1283
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: because there's so many times like I'll be playing a game,

1284
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: I'll be like, man, I wish there was just a

1285
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: Star Wars version of GTA, right, Like, why can't I

1286
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: just have this look like Star Wars? And they're that

1287
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Speaker 2: game is coming out, But like with the flexibility of

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Speaker 2: these other games, it's like, well, yeah, we we can

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Speaker 2: already just map this ip onto it.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you want to play like Star versus

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: Peter Peter, then exactly do it. There's a Darth Vader,

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Speaker 3: there's a Darth Vader, there's a Luke Skywalker. There's an

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01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker skin in Fortnite. Yeah, yeah, it's so what

1294
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: have a lightsaber?

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: So it sounds like obviously there's like there's ease in

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Speaker 2: which that people are being able to make games, and

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: that's you know, AI has a certain hand into that

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Speaker 2: is the is like the main risk, just like the

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Speaker 2: voice acting stuff, because that's the one thing I've saw

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Speaker 2: consistently from like voice acting people who are like, get

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: the fuck away from my gigs with AI, because that

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Speaker 2: is a huge, huge earner for voice actors.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge thing. And that was one of the

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: things that I wrote down is what really worries me

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01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: about AI. You know, my fears is the less human actors.

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 3: If the AI is going to take over, there's no

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: way you can script for it right now. It's kind

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 3: of a meme that if you're thorough, you'll talk to

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01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: an MPC until you're just hearing the same prompts over

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 3: and over, and that means that you've exhausted all the

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 3: dialogue options in which you're you know, the person you're

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01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 3: talking to, Like, there's only so much that you can

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: script with a real person. But for an actor who

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01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: would then be kind of prompting an AI voice, you're

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01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 3: going in doing one day of work, maybe even only

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 3: like an hour of work, and then that AI prompt

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01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 3: is then generating an infinite amount of responses forever, right,

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: And that's scary. That's scary. That's taking the human element

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 3: out of the the you know, the interaction side of

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: video games. And that's something that's kind of you know,

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 3: it's a bridge we're going to have to cross. It's

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01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: going to be you know, it's going to be a

1323
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 3: contract that needs to be signed. It's going to need

1324
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 3: to be some sort of agreement that we have. That's

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01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: that is, you know, how we kind of control this

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: forthcoming storm that is AI actors being part of video games,

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01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: because that is real, That is very real. What is

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01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 3: going to happen?

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like more and more the more you

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01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: describe it, the more it reminds me of like the

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01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: media kind of content economy ten years ago on the Internet,

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: where it's like it's very user driven and like it's

1334
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: like all all these creative people who are somewhat anonymous

1335
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: are driving a lot of the innovation, and it's just

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: like kind of a lot of them are doing it

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: for the love of the game. And that turned out well.

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: I think we you know, now we have really great

1339
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: websites full of top tier user generated content, and no,

1340
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: it obviously went horribly wrong because nobody could like really

1341
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: figure out how to monetize that, and so they just

1342
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: like killed it.

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01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: I guess.

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know difference outful until I had that thought.

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it'll just continue innovating. It's yeah,

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: it's it is one of the ideas that was thrown

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: out in like in reading up on AI is like

1348
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: they're like, well, one of the problems we have with

1349
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: AI is that we don't have a body for this AI.

1350
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: This hard you know, chat gpt to go walk out

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: into the world and like start getting data and feedback,

1352
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: like learning with its body and with its ability to

1353
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: move around in space. So that was just another thing

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: that occurred to me as we were talking. It was

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: like the NPC chat GPT model, Like in addition to

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: being like a cool thing to play with, I could

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01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: see that being prioritized by the company's, the AI companies,

1358
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: because that is something they're looking for as like something

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: some mechanism for it to like go out and interact in.

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: The real world and like be able to kind of

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: move around on its own and just get like free

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Speaker 2: R and D from Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in these games, it's like a character out in

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: this like open world.

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but is gonna come away thinking like they believed

1366
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: I was African American due to the outsized use of

1367
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: racial slurs I hear from young gamers like I don't

1368
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: that data set is gonna be fucking poison.

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad.

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01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: Well ship, uh, Daniel, I feel like we could keep

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Speaker 1: talking about this for weeks, But thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: That's my pleasure.

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01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, making me less afraid of

1374
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: all the gaming ship that I hear what do you.

1375
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what any of it means.

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Speaker 2: Jack, did you come out of this? Is there a

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01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: game now that? Obviously because you're you're up on on

1378
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: the Nintendo, we are Switch that bitch from Switch Switch exactly,

1379
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: the bits with the Switch. Yeah.

1380
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 1: No, I'm all of them. I'm I mean Power World.

1381
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:51,440
Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna be all over this ship. Fort Fortnite,

1382
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, Fortnite. Fortnite is scary to me because

1383
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I just like going and get shot

1384
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: in the head like immediately. But if like that, there

1385
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: are all these very derivations, like racing games and stuff

1386
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: like that is intriguing to me.

1387
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: You'll be like, Yeah, we'll be playing together and you're like,

1388
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: can we not do the battle? Can we just do

1389
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: like the the racing one.

1390
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 3: The racing's good? Wen?

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: What you can't shoot me in this? This is the

1392
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 2: racing one? You said specifically?

1393
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?

1394
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: Anyways, Dan or what a pleasure? Where can people find you?

1395
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: Follow you? Hear you all that good stuff?

1396
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: I think the last time was on the show, I

1397
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: said I am divorcing myself from social media entirely, but

1398
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: you can still find me on Instagram and twitch at

1399
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: dj Underscore Danel and I do have a piece of

1400
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 3: social media that I did want to share that I

1401
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 3: thought was really fucking funny. But I also wanted to

1402
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 3: share a actual game recommendation, something that I am enjoying

1403
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 3: personally that I think everybody who likes video games should play.

1404
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: It's on both PlayStation and it's on PC, and it's

1405
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: a game called Hell Divers two. Now that game is

1406
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 3: if you've seen the movies Oarship Troopers, it's that but

1407
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: a video game, and with all of the humor wrapped

1408
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 3: in it. It's so great. You're going to different planets

1409
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: and spreading democracy by shooting bugs in the face. And

1410
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 3: it rules four player PvE. It is great, full stop,

1411
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: great game. What can you download it on on playstage?

1412
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 3: I mean you on the PlayStation store, on Steam wherever

1413
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: you want. Wow, it rules. It's so so good. Let's

1414
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 3: play that. My piece of social media is from John

1415
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: Foley at two thousand and eight Phills, Philz and it's

1416
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 3: it's the picture of Travis Kelce yelling and Andy Reid

1417
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: right here, but the text above it is.

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01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on. Her sister was a witch, right?

1419
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 4: That was her sister a princess the wicked Witch of

1420
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 4: the East. Bro, you're gonna look at me and tell

1421
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 4: me that a w a wrong. She wore a crown

1422
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: and came down in a bubble Dog.

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 3: Classic. It was a wild moment. I love I fucking

1424
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: love that. That's one of my favorite It's internet content.

1425
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, Miles, where can people find you? What's the work

1426
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: media you've been enjoying? Find me on the at base platforms,

1427
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: at Miles of Gray, hell even on PlayStation Network where

1428
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: I occusually pop up now and then in between my

1429
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: parental duties. And also find Jack and I on our

1430
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: basketball podcast, Miles and Jack on ed mos. Or if

1431
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: you come to the Atlanta headquarters of I Heart Podcast,

1432
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 2: you will see posters up on the wall, which is

1433
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: really nice to see.

1434
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: Cool what else?

1435
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: Also find me on four twenty with Sophia Alexander talking

1436
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: about ninety day fiance. But tweet I like, I do

1437
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: like a tweet. It's from Jesse Dugan and this tweet

1438
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: is very interesting because it just look it's it's from

1439
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. So forgive me for the delay here

1440
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: on this this.

1441
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: Entire week after the super Bowl, and we are giving you.

1442
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: That superlorry happened to because there's there's a photo of

1443
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: Reba McIntyre about to go to this Super Bowl. She's

1444
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 2: wearing a fur jacket and cowboy boots and her tweet

1445
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,879
Speaker 2: was boots with the fur hashtag super Bowl blah blah blah,

1446
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 2: and then Jesse you Dogan tweeted, Okay, this is the

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: first time I've considered that the boots themselves did not

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 2: have the fur. And yeah, I think the one hundred

1449
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: and eighty seven thousand people that liked it were also like, fun,

1450
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: holy shit, we were thinking of fur. But is it

1451
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 2: just wearing your boots with the fur coat? Right? Anyway,

1452
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 2: we love we love a bit of simple breakdowns. Wow

1453
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: the lyrics, so yeah, shout out to you. Damn am

1454
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: I gonna have to do a Super Bowl tweet too.

1455
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: No, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore

1456
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: O'Brien workimedia. I've been enjoying the latest episode uh oh,

1457
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: He's melting down, the latest the latest eperson uh workimedia.

1458
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying the latest episode of Last Culturistas sister

1459
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: podcast is has Tina Fay on it or it's probably

1460
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: the second in most recent by now By the time

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: you hear it. Great to hear from Tina fe again.

1462
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: Great episode. Tina Fey is just yeah, like fits right in,

1463
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: just hops right into the double Dutch and knows all

1464
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: the references. Is media obsessed and it's just a lot

1465
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: of fun to hear Matt and Bowen and Tina Fey

1466
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: kicking around.

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01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: So you can go check that out that I don't think,

1468
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: so honey so good. That was really good. What did

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01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: she say? She's like your new friends are and yeah,

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey was like, you can't basically

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: saying he can't say his honest opening on movies anymore.

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 3: Honestly is a luxury for the.

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: Honesty is a luxury and something like about it your

1474
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: pob not worth it basically to be honest. Man. Expensive,

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01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was. Honesty is expensive, honestly expensive, defensive.

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this so well, that's a lesson we'll learn

1477
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: one of these days. I'm sure you can find us

1478
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: on Twitter at daily zeich Guys for a d Daily

1479
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: Zeichgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page on

1480
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: a website Daily zeike Guist dot com, where we post

1481
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the

1482
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode, as well

1483
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: as a song that we.

1484
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 2: Think you might enjoy. My song you think people might enjoy?

1485
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: I think, well, look, I'm I'm feeling like, like I said,

1486
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm an old head, and I was thinking about Timbaland

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: and Magoo. You know, love to Love, You love to

1488
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: Love to Love? Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. Anyway, I

1489
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: just heard a remix on SoundCloud that was just like

1490
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: sometimes people do remixes that just give a song a

1491
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: whole new way of like like a new bounce to

1492
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: it that you really weren't seeing. And this is it.

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 2: It's by Mike Nasty and it's called love to Love

1494
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: like in the song, but that's LUV the number two

1495
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: the Luv. It's a SoundCloud only joints, so you're gonna

1496
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: have to go on SoundCloud like like us real backpackers.

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Speaker 2: We can find that real shit. But it's dope. This

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Speaker 2: is Love to Love by Mike Nasty, the Timualimagu remix.

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Speaker 1: We will link off to it in the footnotes.

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Speaker 2: You can go right there.

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Speaker 1: The dailies like Gus is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio,

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Speaker 1: ap Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That is going to do it for us this morning,

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Speaker 1: back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you all then Bye.

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Speaker 2: Bits,