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Speaker 1: It's Patriots Catch twenty two. With you for the next
Speaker 1: couple of hours, talking Patriots off season, free agency. Things
Speaker 1: still happening last night, Actually something happening with the Patriots
Speaker 1: that is notable, So we'll get to that here in
Speaker 1: a second. I'm sure we'll talk plenty of draft and
Speaker 1: we are at the point of the draft site.
Speaker 2: Of this draft season.
Speaker 1: It's it's draft season for everybody now, which is the
Speaker 1: time where I hand up fully admit that I start
Speaker 1: to get annoyed because you and I and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this to Graham stand or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: you and I have on this show have been talking
Speaker 1: about all these guys since like November or December, maybe
Speaker 1: January if we wanted, When we really.
Speaker 2: Started to get in August for me.
Speaker 1: But we've been talking about these guys for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so at this point it definitely feels like we
Speaker 1: are all dug in on our guys. These are sort
Speaker 1: of our opinions on this draft. This is sort of
Speaker 1: what we would do at this draft if we were
Speaker 1: in the general manager chair. And this is the point
Speaker 1: where everybody just gets a little bit riled up because
Speaker 1: no one's gonna get moved at this point. Like you,
Speaker 1: all the data is in.
Speaker 2: Everybody has their guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the combines over the film is in there.
Speaker 1: You have your guys. I have my guys. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about all of that here in a second. But
Speaker 1: I want to start with Garrett Bradbury reported signing by
Speaker 1: the Patriots of the former Vikings Center, And last night
Speaker 1: I tweeted some things about this signing. I can't really
Speaker 1: get all hot and bothered by a thirty point eight
Speaker 1: million dollars guarantee to a center. That's I think a
Speaker 1: big part of it, and that's all reported, by the way,
Speaker 1: but just in general, I can't get that hot and
Speaker 1: bothered by basically a one year guarantee on a stopgap center,
Speaker 1: which is what this is. And with Bradbury, I think
Speaker 1: it's also philosophically just what I like in centers and
Speaker 1: what I prefer in centers. I think the number one
Speaker 1: thing to me with the center is obviously intelligence and
Speaker 1: smarts and the ability to run the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: pre snap, and you can see that on film with
Speaker 1: brad Berry, him pointing out, you know, moving the mic
Speaker 1: points and like doing all the protections and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. In Minnesota's offense, he's renowned for being
Speaker 1: a pretty intelligent pre snap center and being able to
Speaker 1: handle all those things. The second thing that I always
Speaker 1: like in centers, I want an athletic center. I want
Speaker 1: a center that can set the pace of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: that can make blocks in space, that can reach a
Speaker 1: block on the line of scrimmage, that can climb to
Speaker 1: the second level, that can pull, that can get out
Speaker 1: in front of screens. I just those things are what
Speaker 1: I value in centers. Bradbury I think checks a lot
Speaker 1: of those boxes. He's a very good athlete, still is
Speaker 1: still there on tape with him, and then it's obviously
Speaker 1: a bonus if he's a good pass protector. Brad Berry
Speaker 1: is not right, it's a bonus. It's a nice bonus
Speaker 1: if he is a good pass protector. But out of
Speaker 1: all the five spots on the offensive line in terms
Speaker 1: of pass protection, I would say it's the least important
Speaker 1: at center because most of the time, nobody's lined up
Speaker 1: over you right, so you either have somebody that's shaded
Speaker 1: in the a gap in the one tech, or you're
Speaker 1: in a pass rushing front where the center is completely uncovered.
Speaker 1: So as much as I want to say be fair
Speaker 1: or objective about his struggles in pass protection, particularly last season,
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the most important thing for
Speaker 1: a center because of how much help you can get
Speaker 1: from the guards at that position. So I like the
Speaker 1: Bradbury signing. I think that this fits the mold of
Speaker 1: a lot of their other moves, just in terms of
Speaker 1: we needed an answer today, like if we were to
Speaker 1: play a game tomorrow, we needed an NFL caliber center
Speaker 1: to be able to play that position. And now you
Speaker 1: go into the draft and you don't have to be
Speaker 1: thinking about center in the top one hundred necessarily because
Speaker 1: you have a guy like Bradbury under contract. So I
Speaker 1: don't mind it. I'm not trying to tell you and
Speaker 1: tell you that he's this high end all Pro caliber center.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely not. But he's an NFL player and that's good.
Speaker 2: Sure, i'd push back on some of that. I think
Speaker 2: in the context of where this team is is at,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call pass detection ability a bonus, and I
Speaker 2: think yes it. Centers maybe aren't at the point of
Speaker 2: attack in pass pro as much as other positions. But
Speaker 2: the fact that he got exposed as much as he
Speaker 2: did tells you that he's a guy teams will hunt
Speaker 2: in that regard, and so he is a weak spot.
Speaker 2: At the same time, he is experienced, smart, veteran. It's
Speaker 2: a very inexperienced group there, and I think having a
Speaker 2: veteran in the room is important, regardless of if he's
Speaker 2: starting or not. I'm not ready to put a sharpie
Speaker 2: on the paper yet and call him the starter. I
Speaker 2: think it should be an open competition going into camp him,
Speaker 2: Cole Strange, Ben Brown. I would like to see them
Speaker 2: draft somebody. I'm not taking center out. I don't feel
Speaker 2: changed about where they're at at center. In terms of
Speaker 2: the big picture. I still wouldn't hate them taking a
Speaker 2: center on day two. The ideal center you just described,
Speaker 2: I can think of three guys right away, off the
Speaker 2: top of my head that fit that bill in this draft,
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson from Georgia, Jake Majors from Texas, and then
Speaker 2: Seth McLoughlin's a little different because he's coming off of
Speaker 2: torn acl Now, maybe he's the perfect guy because you
Speaker 2: have Brad Berry or Ben Brown? Is this bridge?
Speaker 1: You don't have to draft those guys on day two?
Speaker 2: Maybe, Wilson, I think maybe maybe, Also maybe he's right
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think all those guys are if
Speaker 1: you're truly a center only player, it's hard to.
Speaker 2: I would like them. I would like them to still
Speaker 2: like them to make a somewhat significant investment at center
Speaker 2: in this draft, especially because you know Bradbury last year
Speaker 2: was a doubt. He last year was the worst year
Speaker 2: of his career. Right He's coming off the worst year
Speaker 2: of his career, career high in pressures, career, high in
Speaker 2: accepted penalties, called like, He's not a long term answer.
Speaker 2: He's a contender to be the bridge, as is Ben
Speaker 2: Brown as his col strange. I think that's a good,
Speaker 2: healthy competition. But I don't know that any of those
Speaker 2: guys are definitive long term answer. If you add a
Speaker 2: guy like a Jared Wilson, or like a Jake Majors
Speaker 2: or even McLoughlin, if you know health aside, you know
Speaker 2: that that's an option. So I get why they made
Speaker 2: the signing. I don't think it's a good or bad signing.
Speaker 2: It's I'm just I'm not really moved by it. Like
Speaker 2: I guess it's good in the sense that you're adding
Speaker 2: to the competition at that spot, which I think is
Speaker 2: always healthy. Ninety players is a lot. I don't know
Speaker 2: that he's like taking up a roster spot, right. You're
Speaker 2: adding a competition at that group, and you put a
Speaker 2: veteran in the room for camp, which I think is good.
Speaker 2: After that, we'll see what happens. That's kind of where
Speaker 2: I'm at with it. I don't I don't know ready
Speaker 2: that I'm I don't know that I'm ready to lock
Speaker 2: him in, as the Week one said, I'm not ready
Speaker 2: to lock anybody in. Is the Week one center it's
Speaker 2: going to be an open competition. I don't there should
Speaker 2: be an open competition.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree that every position is an open competition
Speaker 1: in theory.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking in the coach speak. Term of everybody's
Speaker 2: out here competing, I mean, like a legit.
Speaker 1: I would find it really hard to believe that he's
Speaker 1: going to get beat out by Ben Brown and Cold Strange.
Speaker 1: Like Ben Brown was kicking around practice squads, Cole Strange
Speaker 1: is trying to transition to center if he even still
Speaker 1: is trying to.
Speaker 2: Be Brown cold Strange. I have no idea what's going
Speaker 2: to happen with col Strange.
Speaker 1: I don't will you that col Strange is playing guard
Speaker 1: for this coaching staff.
Speaker 2: Or he's just they don't they don't plan on him
Speaker 2: being here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I assume that he's going to
Speaker 1: be in camp, and well he's I think.
Speaker 2: He'll compete at both. He gives them some flexibility because
Speaker 2: I don't know he's a fit as guard in what
Speaker 2: McDaniels wants to do either. But is Ben Brown that
Speaker 2: different of a player from Garret Bradbury last year?
Speaker 1: Different? Yeah? Last year, Yeah, significantly different, Like like Garrett
Speaker 1: Bradbury is still a really good run blocking center, Like
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury is a really good athlete. Obviously, he's got
Speaker 1: way more experience than Ben Brown, like Ben Brown was
Speaker 1: a nice experience difference Bren Brown. Was I a nice find.
Speaker 1: I guess is what I would you know, like you
Speaker 1: you poached him off a practice squad and he came
Speaker 1: in for a month or so and played a respectable
Speaker 1: center for time being.
Speaker 2: But it started twelve thirteen games a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just said a month or so, like
Speaker 1: it started to give away for him towards the end
Speaker 1: of what he you know, when he was playing in there.
Speaker 1: This is in my opinion, and this is no disrespect
Speaker 1: to Ben Brown. It's more out of respect for Garrett Bradbury.
Speaker 1: I kind of find a little like almost disrespectful to
Speaker 1: bet to Bradbury to say that he's in the same category.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said last year, not for his career.
Speaker 2: I look at a guy that at Ben Brown's what
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty six, just played his first full he's
Speaker 2: in NFL football, versus a guy that is going to
Speaker 2: be thirty years old and is coming off his worst season,
Speaker 2: like you know it's passing ships.
Speaker 1: I just think that he's I think this is who
Speaker 1: Bradbury has been his entire career. So I guess, like
Speaker 1: worst season, Yeah, I guess maybe by like the metrics
Speaker 1: in pass protection, it was his worst season. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that he has ever been a high level
Speaker 1: pass protector throughout He hasn't, but it was it was
Speaker 1: worse last year at times. At times, I mean, he
Speaker 1: he was not the issue in that playoff game.
Speaker 2: No, you know, I'm not. I'm not pacing, you know.
Speaker 2: I hate doing that where it's just one game we
Speaker 2: single out. But just I don't know. Again, I'm not
Speaker 2: mad they brought him in. You know, let's see, maybe
Speaker 2: last year was a blip. Yeah, all I'm saying I
Speaker 2: I'm more let's find out what he is than okay,
Speaker 2: this is our starter. That's more the camp that I'm in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that you like that. I don't
Speaker 1: think I think Sharpiet is strong like I think. I'd
Speaker 1: probably say he's penciled in as the starter. You can
Speaker 1: always if.
Speaker 2: They had to play a game today, he would probably
Speaker 2: start with you on that.
Speaker 1: I just don't envision a long way they're going to
Speaker 1: find a better center for twenty twenty five. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: If he takes another step back this year, the door
Speaker 2: this is what we're bad.
Speaker 1: Because I just think he was consistent last year with
Speaker 1: what his career has been and that that's admitting to
Speaker 1: deficiencies in his game, right, Like, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: is in like he's this great player because he's always consistent.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it as this is who he is. He's
Speaker 1: a very good athlete at the position. He's a very
Speaker 1: high level, not very high level. He's a good run blocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a and he's a you know, not great
Speaker 1: pass protector like that. That's just who he is.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's other guys that that can We'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see, Like they're not going to get a better
Speaker 2: centered free agency, and that's why the signing makes sense
Speaker 2: ultimately to add some floor to that room. I want
Speaker 2: to see what they do in the draft. I you know,
Speaker 2: if if you get.
Speaker 1: I like McLaughlin, well so McLaughlin. I know I like
Speaker 1: McLaughlin because I think you're going to get McLoughlin, who's
Speaker 1: the Ohio State Center Tours Achilles and November of last
Speaker 1: year during practice tough injury. But he you're probably going
Speaker 1: to get him a round or two later than you
Speaker 1: would have normally because because of the injury, he was
Speaker 1: tracking to be a top one hundred pick, probably third
Speaker 1: round pick. If he doesn't get hurt. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: gets hurt.
Speaker 2: This is a guy with either just real quick, a
Speaker 2: guy the really impressive resume. Four year player at Alabama,
Speaker 2: started there, transferred after saved and left last year went
Speaker 2: to Ohio State, was like a crucial part of their
Speaker 2: offensive line. People rave about his leadership is intelligence, like
Speaker 2: he is talent wise the best center in this draft.
Speaker 1: Agreed. I like that idea. I like that idea because
Speaker 1: you put him on ice, you get him ready, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get him healthy. And then if it's halfway through
Speaker 1: the year, if it's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Might be a little because it was a torn achilles
Speaker 2: in laid October, so maybe it's.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six that he that he takes over in
Speaker 1: Bradbury's truly a boint, just stop gap one year play.
Speaker 2: I would be that's ultimately what they do, assuming that
Speaker 2: they address the other spots that they need to address,
Speaker 2: I would be okay with that.
Speaker 1: I think it all comes back to kind of bring
Speaker 1: a big picture, because I think there's some other things
Speaker 1: that we can discuss here too. With the offensive line.
Speaker 1: It all comes back to the fact that in my eyes,
Speaker 1: their goal on the offensive line, this offseason was to
Speaker 1: get back to serviceable Can you just be a average
Speaker 1: to below average instead of a bottom of the league
Speaker 1: offensive line And we both like the Morgan Moses move,
Speaker 1: so we're in agreement on that. I think that's a
Speaker 1: step forward to that. I think on when who back
Speaker 1: at right guard entrenched at right guard.
Speaker 2: Right side's fine. I'm not worried at all about that.
Speaker 2: And that's like legitimate solid right side guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if and it's a big if, but if
Speaker 1: they go out and solve left tackle, and I solve
Speaker 1: is probably a strong word too, Like if they have
Speaker 1: a competent left tackle next year, then I am I
Speaker 1: would I'm confident that Bradbury is going to be a
Speaker 1: competent center. So that level that we're trying to reach
Speaker 1: of just functional in that group is possible with Garrett Bradberry.
Speaker 2: If Bradbury's your worst offensive lineman, you're in pretty good shape.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If he's your second worst, okay, if he's your third,
Speaker 2: like now it's.
Speaker 1: If he's your second rumble, I agree. But I would
Speaker 1: also just say, like he plays center right, so like
Speaker 1: we're not talking about him being the worst offensive lineman
Speaker 1: that they have at left tackle. We're talking about him
Speaker 1: being the worst offensive lineman they have at center. I
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you're overrating the position thing a little bit
Speaker 2: in the sense that smart coaches will find a weakness
Speaker 2: and find a way to exploit it. They're not going
Speaker 2: to care about where he is on the field or
Speaker 2: any of that. They'll go hunt him if they feel
Speaker 2: like that's what they need to do.
Speaker 1: But it's situational, like you can't. Yeah, they can hunt
Speaker 1: him on third down. They could hunt him in their
Speaker 1: pass rushing fronts, and so the Jets could play situation.
Speaker 1: The Jets could put Quinn Williams right over him on
Speaker 1: third and eight and let.
Speaker 2: Him rush the past games over the whole game.
Speaker 1: But not really like you have your base fronts and
Speaker 1: like most teams play with true nose tackles anymore. Like so, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure if you want to. If you were really that
Speaker 1: dead set on Garrett Bradbury is a liability and we're
Speaker 1: just gonna target him for four straight quarters, then yeah,
Speaker 1: they obviously could give them some problems with that, but
Speaker 1: like what Minnesota would do, you know, they would just
Speaker 1: slide the protection, so you have a half slide or
Speaker 1: a three man slide that Bradbury would be in and
Speaker 1: then they would just be man to man on the
Speaker 1: back side of the protection. And for the Patriots, I think,
Speaker 1: what you know, just to kind of bring it back
Speaker 1: and not get bogged down by debating the the you know,
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury so much like a lot of these points
Speaker 1: to me to the fact that Mike on wen Who
Speaker 1: needs to have a really good bounced back. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that might regardless. I think Mike Who in general,
Speaker 1: there's just with brad Burry especially, he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: take on a lot of the tough assignments on the interior,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have to be able to pass protect
Speaker 1: one on one. He's not. You're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to help a ton and pass protection. And when you
Speaker 1: have a center like Bradberry, who's you know, six two
Speaker 1: six three three hundred pounds, so he's a little undersized
Speaker 1: for the offensive line, I think having two Bulldozers or
Speaker 1: Malers at guard can really be helpful for a center like.
Speaker 2: That, which goes back to the cold strange point too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Minnesota didn't have that. I think
Speaker 1: Minnesota had bad guard play on top of having a
Speaker 1: weak center play and pass protection and so just exacerbated
Speaker 1: all of these issues. So if you have on Wenu
Speaker 1: on one side of Garrett Bradberry, and you have a
Speaker 1: a Leyden Robinson or a City Sew or a draft
Speaker 1: pick on the other side of Garrett Bradberry that's stout
Speaker 1: and has good play strength and good anchor to him
Speaker 1: and all those types of things, I could see the
Speaker 1: interior working out that way you have. You know, Bradberry
Speaker 1: helped buy two massive humans right on either.
Speaker 2: Side, and I got to get a massive human at
Speaker 2: left guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so City So's a massive city.
Speaker 2: So okay, that's I was gonna say, City So could count.
Speaker 1: This kind of feels like a little bit all off season,
Speaker 1: and I've kind of felt like Citi Stow's back in
Speaker 1: play here. Yeah, back to that Bill O'Brien adjacent scheme
Speaker 1: that he was okay in as a rookie. Back to
Speaker 1: maybe some more downhill stuff, more gap stuff. Now Bradberry's
Speaker 1: his zone blocking center has been all the way back
Speaker 1: to his college career. So could this signal some sort
Speaker 1: of scheme change or maybe a morphing or melding between
Speaker 1: what Rabel did in Tennessee and what Josh McDaniels has
Speaker 1: done historically to bring in some more zone a flavor
Speaker 1: to this offense. I think it's possible. I wouldn't rule
Speaker 1: it out. I also wouldn't overreact to one signing, especially
Speaker 1: at a level like brad.
Speaker 2: I also think this is more about getting that veteran
Speaker 2: and an experienced player than the scheme.
Speaker 1: His best trait, though, is absolutely his range and his
Speaker 1: ability to block on the move, you know, latterly, move
Speaker 1: latterly and reach blocks and climb and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's what he's good at. That typically is
Speaker 1: more of a zone blocking thing. Like if you're expecting
Speaker 1: Garrett Bradberry to get on a double team and move
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage like that's this is not the
Speaker 1: center for you. This is not your guy. But if
Speaker 1: you're asking the center to be more athletic and make
Speaker 1: more plays in space, then he's definitely somebody that can
Speaker 1: do that at a pretty good level. So will be
Speaker 1: there'll be a scheme change, maybe, I doubt it. I
Speaker 1: still am sticking to my guns that Josh McDaniels is
Speaker 1: gonna get to do what Josh McDaniels wants to do
Speaker 1: and has always done, which is, you know, run downhill
Speaker 1: and two back and power and lead and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff. But we'll see. The other thought that I
Speaker 1: had with this Brad Burry signing was what I just
Speaker 1: mentioned with the guards. This seems to me like the
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna have an open competition for left guard
Speaker 1: out of those three recent draft picks Cole Strange, Leyden Robinson,
Speaker 1: and City.
Speaker 2: So I could see him adding somebody too in the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see somebody another you know, Dart thrown
Speaker 1: in there in the middle round. So you know, I
Speaker 1: did some guard research the other day on Monday, had
Speaker 1: fun with it. Like, those guards in this class are good.
Speaker 1: There's some good players in this guard class, especially when
Speaker 1: you factor in the tackles that are going to move
Speaker 1: inside for the college tackles. But there's some really good
Speaker 1: guards that can be had in the middle round, some
Speaker 1: guys that played tackle in college that can beat tackles
Speaker 1: in a pinch. You know Arizona kid Jonas Sevilla. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously Wyatt Milam is probably gonna move inside in Gray's
Speaker 1: Abel and Donovan Jackson, but that's sort of the top
Speaker 1: of the class. You know, you go into those middle rounds.
Speaker 1: You know there's some guys like that too. Jalen Rivers
Speaker 1: from Miami. He played a little the left tackle, a
Speaker 1: little bit of left guard, so he can be in
Speaker 1: a pinch, you can flex him outside and move him
Speaker 1: to tackle. I could definitely see a lot of those
Speaker 1: types of guys. Your third or fourth round guard, I
Speaker 1: think is absolutely on the table. Maybe one of those
Speaker 1: guys can even play a little bit of center for
Speaker 1: you so that you know it can kind of cross
Speaker 1: train him and see where he fits best once he
Speaker 1: gets in here. But those three guys that I think Strange,
Speaker 1: sal and Robinson are probably gonna be given a pretty
Speaker 1: good chance to start at left guard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be an open competition that I
Speaker 2: I you're gonna we're probably you're gonna have a competition
Speaker 2: in camp at least one spot, if not too. But
Speaker 2: left guard makes the most centrist because of how much
Speaker 2: they've invested there, and maybe they keep investing. Maybe this
Speaker 2: staff wants their own guy. Shouldn't be in the top
Speaker 2: one hundred, but a guy like Carson Vincent or Clay
Speaker 2: Webb who also has some some center guard flexibility, yeah,
Speaker 2: would would make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would also just say, from my perspective,
Speaker 1: you should be able to get a left guard out
Speaker 1: of those three guys, like if you have the right
Speaker 1: coaching and you have you have the right coaching, like
Speaker 1: if Doug Moron is doing his job well and if
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels is doing his job, those three guys are
Speaker 1: talented enough that they should be able to find a
Speaker 1: starting guard as.
Speaker 2: I unless stylistically the guy they want, they don't fit
Speaker 2: what they want, right, But I kind of talked.
Speaker 1: About that City so should like maybe, yeah, Leyden Robinson's
Speaker 1: a powerful player. He's not as big as City Show, right,
Speaker 1: but he's He's a guy that I would say wins
Speaker 1: with power, you know, like that he that is so
Speaker 1: of his game is power oriented. But I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I I think that they're type wise, Like col Strange
Speaker 1: is probably not their type.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be more in the mix
Speaker 2: at center than guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I genuinely feel that way that they
Speaker 1: if they have the right coaching, if they're in the
Speaker 1: right scheme, that you invested three top twenty picks, you know,
Speaker 1: just to be precise in three different guards, like yeah,
Speaker 1: Robinson and so are high fourth round picks. Cole Strange
Speaker 1: was obviously a first round pick. If you can't get
Speaker 1: one starting guard out of those three guys, I think
Speaker 1: that that that's uh, that's not good. You should you
Speaker 1: should be able to pull that out. So that brings
Speaker 1: us to left tackle in this offensive line reset, which
Speaker 1: I'm also going to write about so you can hear
Speaker 1: this exact take again on Patriots dot Com tomorrow if
Speaker 1: you want. But uh, left tackle glaring obvious, glaring hole
Speaker 1: on that side of the of the ball. Like you
Speaker 1: can talk yourself into those three guards emerging with one
Speaker 1: starter at left guard? Yeah, I can't really talk of
Speaker 1: myself into the left tackle being on the roster currently.
Speaker 1: Who even is Like if there were to be a
Speaker 1: competition right and who I guess Kidd and Wallace trying
Speaker 1: to play the left side again, Like it's not even
Speaker 1: a competition there right, Not that there's any practices right now,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you can't even say it's a competition there
Speaker 1: right now, because there's what it can be. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: being said, I don't fault them entirely for passing on
Speaker 1: Dan Moore junior at twenty million dollars a year. I
Speaker 1: think that one, I can understand. I he's he was
Speaker 1: not good last year either, gave up the most sacks
Speaker 1: in the league at that position. I get that one,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that that's not a cop out
Speaker 1: like this still used to make a big investment at
Speaker 1: left town. Cam Robinson still out there. So Cam Robinson
Speaker 1: still out there. Something tells me that Cam Robinson still
Speaker 1: being out there is not a good sign for Cam Robinson.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you know, there are some
Speaker 1: rumors out there. None of it's confirmed, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to just throw things out there. But with Cam Robinson,
Speaker 1: but he's still a free agent as a guy that
Speaker 1: was considered one of the top free agents at that position,
Speaker 1: which is a very important position, right so the fact
Speaker 1: that he's still floating out there means his market has
Speaker 1: not materialized the way that he expected. I would say
Speaker 1: the other one that I would just mention at left
Speaker 1: tackle and free agency that's still out there is probably
Speaker 1: ring chasing right now. But Tyron Smith is still out there.
Speaker 1: And Tyron Smith, at thirty three years old, played a
Speaker 1: respectable left tackle for the Jets last year. He was solid,
Speaker 1: he wasn't great. It was kind of like Work and
Speaker 1: Moses like those two guys were decent right at their spots. Again,
Speaker 1: it's another stop gap, it's another band aid on the issue.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't hate Tyron Smith with a highly drafted
Speaker 1: left tackle. You know, maybe you don't have to go
Speaker 1: left tackle at four. Maybe you go trade back up
Speaker 1: into the first round or take one at thirty eight,
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. But Cam Robinson and
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith are those two options to me and to everybody.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you want to do that route,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be pigeonholed in to tackle
Speaker 1: at four, and you want to take a tackle at
Speaker 1: thirty eight or at the late first round in the
Speaker 1: trade up, then those are your two options to kind
Speaker 1: of bridge the gap.
Speaker 2: Is Tyron Smith realistically coming here though?
Speaker 1: No, right the only way that Tyron Smith's coming here
Speaker 1: is if he has very little market and the Patriots
Speaker 1: are willing to overpay.
Speaker 2: Well, He's also a guy I could see waiting into,
Speaker 2: you know, the summer to sign so he doesn't have
Speaker 2: to go through spring practices. Patriots kind of need a
Speaker 2: guy with them working with Drake May, working with his
Speaker 2: coaching staff from the beginning, not that Tyron Smith needs
Speaker 2: to work, but yeah, I just I don't know that. Look,
Speaker 2: he's better than nothing, but I don't know that he
Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense. I don't know how realistic
Speaker 2: it is. I don't know that he makes the most sense.
Speaker 1: So then the other the draft talk or the draft
Speaker 1: draft conversation at tackle is it kind of comes down
Speaker 1: to three things for me and maybe you have a
Speaker 1: you know, a fourth thing. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: take the chance on Will Campbell, right, like Bank on
Speaker 1: the film with Will Campbell, that.
Speaker 2: It has to be in the conversation if we're just
Speaker 2: talking about what the team might do and we're trying
Speaker 2: to have a realistic conversation about the Patriots draft strategy,
Speaker 2: Will Campbell at four or six, if you trade down
Speaker 2: whatever you're not getting past six as a left tackle
Speaker 2: has to be in the con We can't ignore it.
Speaker 2: It's not something you can ignore.
Speaker 1: So Bank on the fact that Will Campbell can make
Speaker 1: it work with the arms, yep, flip armand membo to
Speaker 1: left tackle yeh, or target the next wave Josh Simmons,
Speaker 1: Josh Connery, Arianti Erserie either at thirty eight oh one
Speaker 1: of those guys falls a little bit, or go up
Speaker 1: and get them in the back half of the first round.
Speaker 1: Out of those three options, where do you stand on
Speaker 1: March nineteen.
Speaker 2: What do I think they're gonna do? I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be Campbell.
Speaker 1: Okay, you where does Alex Barth stand?
Speaker 2: I would probably get a gro and try to move
Speaker 2: up into the twenties and ursery. Who is the third
Speaker 2: guys Banks? Right?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, well so Banks is interesting?
Speaker 2: Who is the third guy in your second tier?
Speaker 1: Connor Simmons.
Speaker 2: I'm out on Simmons. I've said that I'm out on Simmons.
Speaker 2: I'd rather Versary than connorly, but you know, I would
Speaker 2: take either. I just think that's the most proudent course
Speaker 2: of action. You got to be able to move up,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you're getting either of those guys
Speaker 2: at thirty eight because we saw this last year. There
Speaker 2: is such a shortage at the tackle position. Teams are desperate,
Speaker 2: Teams are going to be aggressive, aggressive to try to
Speaker 2: fill that hole. Guys are gonna go significantly earlier. Once
Speaker 2: once Kelvin Banks goes right, whether it be at eight,
Speaker 2: at ten, at twelve, that's essentially a starting gun. The
Speaker 2: race is on, and because after the three guys you named,
Speaker 2: and to me, Simmons is a good player, but he's
Speaker 2: not an option for the Patriots. Like there's there's a significant,
Speaker 2: significant drop off to the next group. So you have
Speaker 2: three shots and in the Patriots case, in some other
Speaker 2: team's cases, two shots to get your guy starting it.
Speaker 2: If I'm being realistic, Banks probably isn't going any lower
Speaker 2: than fifteen sixteen, that's right. I left them, So yeah, no,
Speaker 2: and you were right to do that so well. The
Speaker 2: other option would be do you trade down to like ten,
Speaker 2: try to get a haul and take Banks there. That
Speaker 2: would be a fourth option. But to me, you're racing
Speaker 2: up from thirty eight to try to get one of
Speaker 2: those guys, and it's probably gonna be expensive, and you're
Speaker 2: really gonna have to push to do it. They knew
Speaker 2: last year they needed to do it, and they didn't.
Speaker 2: They tried last year for both a tackle and a
Speaker 2: receiver to do this, and they failed in doing so.
Speaker 2: I said this on the show last night, and I
Speaker 2: think I'm going to start giving this take stronger and
Speaker 2: stronger as we go on, pending any changes to the roster.
Speaker 2: Tell me if you agree, Ev and they should not
Speaker 2: be picking at thirty eight. I don't think that if
Speaker 2: they pick at thirty eight they didn't have the best
Speaker 2: possible draft. You have two thirds, you have the flexibility
Speaker 2: to move up. Option Number one for me at tackle
Speaker 2: is getting up to where you need to get up to,
Speaker 2: which is probably the high mid twenties. And if you package,
Speaker 2: even if you want to do the lower third, the
Speaker 2: Jude on third, thirty eight and seventy seven historically gets
Speaker 2: you to like twenty three, twenty four, and you should
Speaker 2: You might not get your choice, but you should be
Speaker 2: able to get one of Ursery and Connery there maybe
Speaker 2: you do get your choice. That's the move to me.
Speaker 2: After that, I take the shot on Will Campbell. I
Speaker 2: know people think I overreact to the right side to
Speaker 2: left side thing, but and yes, if you want to
Speaker 2: pull out a handful of examples where it's worked, you
Speaker 2: can do that. The vast majority of the time it
Speaker 2: hasn't worked. You can say the same thing about Will
Speaker 2: Campbell's arm length too, because I know people will come
Speaker 2: back at me at that. If I were to rank these,
Speaker 2: it's one, two three, and for people listening, my arms
Speaker 2: like all the way up on one and two three
Speaker 2: were two very little little motions. So yes, either way
Speaker 2: you're asking for an outlier, whether it's Campbell or whether
Speaker 2: it's moving Membo. And by the way, was not exactly
Speaker 2: the prototype left tackle either. He has the arm length,
Speaker 2: but he's shorter, yeah, and he's not as wide as
Speaker 2: he usually looked forward to position three hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: two pounds, but it's he's built like a guard. He's
Speaker 2: built kind of like Kelvin Banks. So either way, two
Speaker 2: or three are looking for an outlier. To me, trust
Speaker 2: the coaching staff to either coach up Ursery or coach
Speaker 2: up Connory, and just looking at their preferences and their
Speaker 2: trends and the way they've gone. If I had to guess,
Speaker 2: Ursery's probably hired and Connory on their board.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I put out a mock draft yesterday or
Speaker 1: the day before, and I took Campbell at four overall.
Speaker 2: Again, if we're playing the prediction game, that's what I think, right.
Speaker 1: And everybody came at me and was like, you said,
Speaker 1: you were out on Campbell, You're flip flopping, And my
Speaker 1: take on Campbell has not flip flapped one bit. I
Speaker 1: feel the same way that I did I personally would
Speaker 1: not take Will Campbell at four because of the risk
Speaker 1: with the arm length. I genuinely feel like with Will
Speaker 1: Campbell you have to be careful there. With four overall,
Speaker 1: you want to pick that you feel really good about.
Speaker 1: With that being said, in a draft like this, it's
Speaker 1: easier said than done to just do that because if
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are not there, then now
Speaker 1: we're talking about a group of players that all have
Speaker 1: question marks right now. They all have certain things about
Speaker 1: them that we don't love. I saw Daniel Jeremiah tweeted
Speaker 1: this out yesterday. If the Patriots or any team or
Speaker 1: to draft Ted McMillan inside the top fifteen, he would
Speaker 1: be the first four or five plus receiver to go
Speaker 1: that high since Mike Evans. It's over ten years, so
Speaker 1: Mike Evans was drafted in twenty fourteen. So you're basically
Speaker 1: banking on the fact that he's going to be Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: right like he's going to be that he's an outlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: drafting a four or five to five receiver at four
Speaker 1: overall is an outlier, right, Whether you are in love
Speaker 1: with the forty or not, it makes him an outlier. Ye,
Speaker 1: Mason Graham is small, He's two hundred and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 1: That makes him an outlier.
Speaker 2: Well, not just that, the last defensive tackle to go
Speaker 2: in the top five was Quinn Williams in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine. The last one before that was Marcel Darius
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. Right, So that's another one where and
Speaker 2: how both good players? How much of those guys contribute
Speaker 2: to their teams winning? Right?
Speaker 1: So Ted McMillan's has the speed concerns that would make
Speaker 1: him an outlier. Will Campbell has arm length concerns that
Speaker 1: would make him an outlier. Mason Graham. It's a combination,
Speaker 1: I would say, of size and position. Yep ash and
Speaker 1: Gent's a running back. Tyler Warren is a tight end.
Speaker 2: Who's last tight end? And one top five those I
Speaker 2: don't even think it's Pits Right, didn't Pitts go six?
Speaker 1: Those positions are typically not viewed as great positional value
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft. So what I'm getting
Speaker 1: at is is that it's easy to just sit here
Speaker 1: and say I'm out on Will Campbell, which maybe I
Speaker 1: was a little bit strong with after the combine. Pitts
Speaker 1: went for more than I should have been, but it's
Speaker 1: easy to say that when then you start to look
Speaker 1: at and survey.
Speaker 2: The lank Right, So who were you in on? Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, no, No, that's my point. Like, if
Speaker 2: you're out on Will Campbell, Okay, well who are you
Speaker 2: in right?
Speaker 1: So if it were me and I was picking, I
Speaker 1: would personally I like the scenario of trading back up
Speaker 1: into the back end of the first round. Now, I
Speaker 1: just looked it up last last season. I think this
Speaker 1: is kind of relevant. Marius Mims started another run of
Speaker 1: O line at eighteen, right, he got drafted at eighteen
Speaker 1: by the Bengals. Tyler Geiton went in the twenties to Dallas.
Speaker 1: So I would say that Connorly and Ursery potentially and
Speaker 1: then maybe Simmons if teams feel good about their his medicals,
Speaker 1: the twenties to early thirties is probably where those three
Speaker 1: guys are going in that sort of range. So the
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna have to be aggressive. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to trade back up, potentially all the way back up
Speaker 1: into the first round. Do you like Ursery? I personally
Speaker 1: like Connorly a little bit more. I just think he's
Speaker 1: a higher level pass protector, and that's what I would
Speaker 1: want at that spot. Ursery is a maler.
Speaker 2: I like Connor I Thinksery is there.
Speaker 1: I would say he would be their type at right tackle.
Speaker 1: I think at left tackle they have typically had better
Speaker 1: athletes and guys that pass protected. A little bit of
Speaker 1: a higher level erser worries me just I think in
Speaker 1: terms of foot speed and just nimbleness at that position.
Speaker 1: He has some of those concerns a little bit like
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, where like, he's just a bigger dude right
Speaker 1: so it's a lot of weight to move when he
Speaker 1: has to move back and forth and side to side
Speaker 1: and change directions and get out to speed rushers and
Speaker 1: get underneath them and leverage blocks and get his hands
Speaker 1: on people that are twitched up rushers like that, He's
Speaker 1: always gonna just be kind of a bigger guy, and
Speaker 1: I feel like he moves a little bit like that.
Speaker 1: Connorly is the total opposite. Connorly doesn't have his play strength,
Speaker 1: but is a much more nimble pass protector and much
Speaker 1: lighter on his feet. So if I had to rank
Speaker 1: the options, I would personally try to target one of
Speaker 1: those guys at the back end of the first round,
Speaker 1: early second. That would be number one for me.
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, last tight end and go
Speaker 2: top five before Kyle Pits.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy two, Riley Odoms to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Jess.
Speaker 2: A couple guys went six overall, but that's a significant,
Speaker 2: significant outlier. It was Vernon Davis and somebody else went
Speaker 2: six overall. Kellen Winslow.
Speaker 1: Then I'm going Will Campbell, and I want to finish this.
Speaker 1: Will Campbell take care in a second, and then I
Speaker 1: would go Membo like that would be my order with
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. The thing that I mocked him to the
Speaker 1: Patriots in my last mock draft. Like I said, what
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to with Will Campbell is that
Speaker 1: I cannot fathom that Mike Rabel is going to get
Speaker 1: into a room with Will Campbell and sit down and
Speaker 1: talk to this guy and have him here and host
Speaker 1: him here on a thirty visit and talk to Will
Speaker 1: Campbell and not fall in love. He is a Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel football player.
Speaker 2: Every go look up any quote of him talking at
Speaker 2: any point. That is leadership, accountability, all the ENTI.
Speaker 1: High high football character. He's gonna be captain year two,
Speaker 1: right and I just with this regime, culture is a
Speaker 1: big word. It seems like a lot of their moves
Speaker 1: so far in free agency has been about establishing a
Speaker 1: culture here in New England. And I just can't imagine
Speaker 1: that the culture guy an offensive lineman that has that
Speaker 1: kind of intangible qualities like Will Campbell. I just can't
Speaker 1: imagine that Rabel is going to look at that and
Speaker 1: say his arms are a little too short. So I'm asking, right,
Speaker 1: I just can't see that. So would it be the
Speaker 1: smartest pick in the world. Would it be a risk? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be a risk. But just trying to project
Speaker 1: what they might do now, I just think Will Campbell
Speaker 1: is definitely on their radar.
Speaker 2: I'm with you what it's going to come down to.
Speaker 2: If Travis Hunter's off the board, I think it's clearly
Speaker 2: prediction wise, I think it's clearly Campbell.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only thing is would they pass on Travis Hunter?
Speaker 2: Because Rabel also talked about how hard it is to
Speaker 2: get a wide receiver and the importance of drafting at
Speaker 2: that position, And you know, I could there an argument
Speaker 2: to be had there based on what we've seen of
Speaker 2: their philosophies. Now, using my own philosophies using their philosophies.
Speaker 2: There's a real debate between Travis Hunter, assuming they fume
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver, which we both think they do,
Speaker 2: especially out the sign in Carlon Davis and uh Will Campbell.
Speaker 2: But if Hunter's not there, how's that not the guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How is that not their guy? He's made in a
Speaker 2: lab to play for Mike Rabel Hunt. We've known that
Speaker 2: since September.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I can't imagine that they would
Speaker 1: pass on Travis Hunter. Like we've had some opportunities to
Speaker 1: talk to Elliott Wolfe and uh, I know there's some reporting.
Speaker 1: I think mass Live has been has reporting on on
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. Yeah, more source type of stuff. And every
Speaker 1: time that I've had the opportunity, you know when I
Speaker 1: say every time, the one time at the table that
Speaker 1: we at the combine, I mean the guy was we
Speaker 1: had two different scouting reports about this guy, like you know,
Speaker 1: we wrote up one receiver, one corner. I understand to
Speaker 1: an extent that it's probably just a fascinating player from
Speaker 1: a lifetime of you know, scouting, that you get to
Speaker 1: scout a guy that plays both ways at such a
Speaker 1: high level. That's probably just fascinating for a true scout
Speaker 1: scout like Elliott Wolf. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine that they are saying these things about Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter publicly and privately and then they're just gonna pass
Speaker 1: on Travis Hunter if he's there at four. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's necessarily in play. But I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: think it's Campbell. If it's not the other sort of
Speaker 1: tie in, then we'll get to all these calls and emails.
Speaker 1: Can we call it like forty Gate, because like Ted
Speaker 1: McMillan's forty I have heard every's range from four four
Speaker 1: eight to four six. Well, for his forty yard dash
Speaker 1: is private workout. It wasn't even a pro day. He's
Speaker 1: not participating in the big twelve Pro day. He just
Speaker 1: did a private workout for teams.
Speaker 2: The majority of the reports, there's only one report that's
Speaker 2: under four five. The majority of the reports are in
Speaker 2: the I went back and I looked at everything and
Speaker 2: I like averaged it out. The majority of the reports
Speaker 2: are in the mid four fives, like four five three
Speaker 2: to four five five is seemingly the number, which is
Speaker 2: also pretty much what it looks like on tape. I'll Yeah,
Speaker 2: he four to six would be slow even for him,
Speaker 2: Like that would be pretty eye opening. If he ran
Speaker 2: a four to six had a private workout, he would
Speaker 2: have never let that number get out there. Let's be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm i'm I think it's I'm open. I'm willing
Speaker 2: to call it like a four five, three, four, five
Speaker 2: five somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: So he looks to me like a low four fives guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like four or five three feels right. That feels four
Speaker 1: or five to five on the high end of the range.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he's a little bit slower than the eye.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if he ran too like because most
Speaker 2: people run to you run two with the combine, and
Speaker 2: if people haven't been differentiating.
Speaker 1: So I think that there was some reporting that he
Speaker 1: only ran once, so he must have thought it run twice.
Speaker 1: He must have thought it was a decent enough I guess,
Speaker 1: so run once. So the number that I was looking
Speaker 1: for him to put up just to really be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I need to reevaluate this. Michael Pittman Junior ran a
Speaker 1: four or five to two. Yeah, So we talk about
Speaker 1: you know, like ceiling floor, mid, mid, middle, mean, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it in terms of prospects, I
Speaker 1: think with Ted, the floor comp to me is Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman junior with the Colts, who is pretty good floor.
Speaker 1: He Yeah, it's a good floor. But he's a ninety
Speaker 1: catch a thousand yard guy. Right, it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: eleven yards per catch. Right, that's what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: He's in a big frame, but he's really a possession receiver.
Speaker 1: He is a first and second level guy, and he
Speaker 1: gets open at the top of the route and that's
Speaker 1: about it, right, slants in, cuts, stop routes on the outside,
Speaker 1: back shoulders in the occasional throw it up and let
Speaker 1: him go get it down the field. That that's Michael
Speaker 1: Pittman Jr. The middle is Drake London, and I think
Speaker 1: Drake London brings what I see with Ted on film
Speaker 1: a little bit. Is that burst after the catch, Right,
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit more explo honess with the ball.
Speaker 2: That's why I like, did you see that? Did anybody
Speaker 2: give a ten yard split?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I was really curious because I bet his ten yard
Speaker 2: split was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was curiously what his ten yard split was because
Speaker 2: of that that burst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has an ability, and I know some of
Speaker 1: the analytics, like some of the player tracking will back
Speaker 1: this up. Like when he catches the ball, he finds
Speaker 1: another gear.
Speaker 2: He's the most underrated part of his game is how
Speaker 2: good he is after the catch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good at it. And he's really a
Speaker 1: really great stop on a dime change in direction to
Speaker 1: just kind of slip out of a tackle real quick
Speaker 1: and turn up the field. He has that really good ability.
Speaker 1: He reverses field pretty well, you know, and he'll just
Speaker 1: he'll run around, he'll get open on an incut and
Speaker 1: the defender will kind of come crashing in to try
Speaker 1: to break up the pass, and he can stop on
Speaker 1: a dime and come right back up the field and
Speaker 1: create after the catch. He's really good at that. But
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at with Ted is that you just
Speaker 1: need to know what you're drafting, right like and then
Speaker 1: the high floor I guess I didn't mention, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously be like somebody like t Higgins, right. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: also he ran a four five three. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he ran at the combine. I think that's like
Speaker 1: an unofficial pro DAI remember, But needless to say, the
Speaker 1: point being, you have to understand what you're getting with
Speaker 1: Tep McMillan. You're not getting a field stretcher. You're not
Speaker 1: getting a vertical threat. I don't think that he really
Speaker 1: especially playing on the outside. I don't think that he
Speaker 1: threatens vertically from the outside. He doesn't run by people,
Speaker 1: especially on the outside against press coverage. But you're getting
Speaker 1: a good first and second level receiver, and I do
Speaker 1: think that he will stretch the field a little bit
Speaker 1: for you in the slot. If you put him in
Speaker 1: the big slot type of role and have him run
Speaker 1: seams and things like that, I think that's where he
Speaker 1: can be effective down the field because then you get
Speaker 1: him on matchups with linebackers and safeties and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and he can win those foot races. So if you
Speaker 1: understand the type of player that you're getting, and you're
Speaker 1: creative enough to understand the type of player that you're getting,
Speaker 1: then Ted McMillan has a nice floor projection. To me, like,
Speaker 1: I don't see a path where he's a total bright.
Speaker 2: That's why I use Pittman. I appreciate everybody who sent in.
Speaker 2: We did that exercise last week. What's the komfafee busted?
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of good uhlies.
Speaker 1: I don't see him being like this monumental bust of
Speaker 1: a receiver because I think he's got great body control
Speaker 1: and route running and hands, which is a really good
Speaker 1: baseline level of trade yacability. Right. So, uh, Ted McMillan,
Speaker 1: My opinion on him hasn't changed. I still feel the
Speaker 1: same way. I still think it's a little rich at four.
Speaker 1: I probably would only entertain it at four though, the
Speaker 1: only reason why I'd entertained it at four is because
Speaker 1: he's a receiver. Yeah, And Mike Rabele gave that quote
Speaker 1: at the Combine that it's hard to find receivers of
Speaker 1: that caliber and most of the time you have to
Speaker 1: draft those guys. So is there a scenario where they
Speaker 1: just say we need playmaking on offense. He's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but he's a playmaker. Yeah, we're draft in Ted.
Speaker 2: And to anybody, so we'll trade down and do it.
Speaker 2: Maybe the trade's not there right right, or you can't
Speaker 2: trade you know, really, So I'm gonna ask you two
Speaker 2: questions about this. Yeah, well one question and then one
Speaker 2: series of questions. Is Ted McMillan slow, Yes, I disagree.
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's fast. Well, he has functional speed.
Speaker 1: That's the most semantics are.
Speaker 2: He has functional speed. No, it's not No, it's not
Speaker 2: the same. He's not slow. For the who do you
Speaker 2: remember the guy from It was David Bell right from Purdue.
Speaker 2: He was a couple of years ago. Whoe everybody was
Speaker 2: all hot and bothered by he was like a top
Speaker 2: one hundred pick and then he ran like a four
Speaker 2: to seven. That guy slow. Teed McMillan has functional speed.
Speaker 2: He's not fast, but he's not slow. He has functional speed.
Speaker 2: Here's the other party, who's your wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Two?
Speaker 2: Right now? Is at Golden or is it?
Speaker 1: I'm still on still like Luther Burden. I know the
Speaker 1: league doesn't.
Speaker 2: But which gap is bigger? And this is Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: being his own thing, right, which gap or actually this
Speaker 2: is the three? Is Travis Hunter is a receiver to
Speaker 2: tet versus TET to Burden? Which gap is bigger?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good conversation. And I also would say
Speaker 1: add the tackles in there too, write like it's a
Speaker 1: bigger gap like Will Campbell and armand Membo.
Speaker 2: Josh to a receiver just a receiver.
Speaker 1: Uh, I would say that there's probably a bigger gap
Speaker 1: between Tet and Luther Burden.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, okay, so let's go. Let's say Hunter's off
Speaker 2: the board, right, Tet to Burden or Burden to Golden
Speaker 2: Orbuka I have, I have.
Speaker 1: Burden, Abuca, and Golden all in the same tier. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I view those guys as pretty equal players. I
Speaker 1: think all three of those guys, and I think Luther
Speaker 1: Burden's getting hurt by last season and some of the
Speaker 1: antics last season for teams. I'm sure that there's questions
Speaker 1: about that, But to me, those guys all belong in
Speaker 1: the twenties of a draft, like they all there right,
Speaker 1: wears A Flowers and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan
Speaker 1: Addison and Quinn Johnson were.
Speaker 2: So I guess this, this is kind of what I
Speaker 2: was leading to. Let's say, so Hunter, you're uncomfortable at four,
Speaker 2: but you acknowledge maybe you need a receiver. The trades,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely taking McMillan. Sorry, McMillan, Yeah, yeah, sorry, Yes,
Speaker 2: I take Hunter for McMillan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe the trade's not there to get down to like
Speaker 2: six or seven where you want him. You can trade
Speaker 2: down to like fifteen, and let's say a future first,
Speaker 2: right and get or maybe you don't because obviously, if
Speaker 2: you can get the future first, you're taking the future first.
Speaker 2: You trade down to like fifteen somewhere to teens knowing
Speaker 2: you want to take a receiver and you take burden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you.
Speaker 2: Rather and you're maybe overdrafting burden a little bit, but
Speaker 2: now you've gotten this hall, would you rather do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather do that. Okay, maybe it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: burdened just because they feel they don't.
Speaker 2: Or Golden or whoever, right, Like, to me, Golden is
Speaker 2: the second best wide receiver, especially like if we're talking
Speaker 2: specifically for the Patriots, and if Josh McDaniel's gonna run
Speaker 2: the offense, we think he's gonna run to me. Matthew
Speaker 2: Golden's wide receiver too, And the gap between McMillan and
Speaker 2: Golden is not as big in that regard as maybe
Speaker 2: some people would make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that agree
Speaker 1: with you in the league on that. Like, I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be teams that have Matthew Golden as the
Speaker 1: number one receiver in this class, especially teams that prioritize
Speaker 1: speed obviously over some of the other things with Matthew
Speaker 1: Golden or with Luther Burden. Actually, I just feel like
Speaker 1: with Burden, mel Kiper and Daniel Jeremiah both had him
Speaker 1: out of the first round and their mocks there this week.
Speaker 1: That's not based off of tape. That's based off of
Speaker 1: intel they're getting inside the league that teams are not
Speaker 1: in love with the football character right in terms of
Speaker 1: some of the answer, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a character thing with Golden. I
Speaker 2: think he doesn't have a Golden too. Right, then Golden
Speaker 2: outside the.
Speaker 1: First round, no's going the first I thought you said Golden,
Speaker 1: and I think with Luther Burden.
Speaker 2: Okay, then yes, it's talent. It's not talent, which is
Speaker 2: crazy because if you talk to people who are around
Speaker 2: him at Missouri, yeah, you hear about what a great
Speaker 2: kid he is and how driven he is and all
Speaker 2: of that and what he's meant to the community. So
Speaker 2: it's literally just getting frustrated in that broken down offense
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, So let me ask you this question,
Speaker 1: because now that these mocks have come out and he's
Speaker 1: out of the first round, Yeah, are you taking Luther
Speaker 1: Burden at thirty?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean unless they take Ted at four double
Speaker 2: right right, Yes, if they go tackle in the first
Speaker 2: round and Luther Burden's there thirty eight h absolutely yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think your camp, your comp has been bigger.
Speaker 1: Z A Flowers, Yeah, bigger.
Speaker 2: I think there's some debo there, ye, Like you plug
Speaker 2: that guy into this offense, you're gonna have a really
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: I wonder some of the reporting out there, think Tom
Speaker 1: Kerran had it about DK Metcalf and they were worried
Speaker 1: about the diva wide receiver calling for the ball all
Speaker 1: the time and begging for the ball all the time.
Speaker 1: Burden last year. You could take some of the antics
Speaker 1: that he had and spin it that way that he
Speaker 1: was mad he wasn't getting targets.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was, right, so Brady cooked.
Speaker 1: Just maybe if they felt that way about DK, then
Speaker 1: maybe it takes a guy like Burden off their board.
Speaker 1: But I kind of feel the opposite way because I
Speaker 1: trust Rabel with the culture stuff, like I trust him
Speaker 1: to get a young player like Luther Burden to stay
Speaker 1: on the track.
Speaker 2: That's the difference there. Young player. It's one thing to
Speaker 2: talk about a twenty seven year old, you know, thirty
Speaker 2: million dollars a year guy versus a rookie, especially guy
Speaker 2: who has fallen in the draft.
Speaker 1: I would just hope that Vrabel would look at it
Speaker 1: that way and say, you know what, like I'll texta
Speaker 1: this kid every single morning during the season to get
Speaker 1: his butt in the facility and make sure that he's
Speaker 1: on his p's and q's and make sure that we
Speaker 1: have him ready to play and all those I would
Speaker 1: just if I was able, I would just trust myself
Speaker 1: to like raise a guy like.
Speaker 2: He's also again, like I think it literally came down
Speaker 2: to the production of the offense and his production. Don't
Speaker 2: think it's any deeper than that. Drake may is a
Speaker 2: much better quarterback than Brady Cook. And if you're drafting
Speaker 2: Luther Burden in the top forty on this football team,
Speaker 2: he should be one hundred and ten hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: target guy. I'm not worried about him getting upset over
Speaker 2: lack of targets, simply for the reason that if he
Speaker 2: is a lack of targets, you screwed up. That's on
Speaker 2: the team that guy. Like I've talked about certain receivers
Speaker 2: maybe not being volume guys in this offense. Luther Burton's
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty target player if he's healthy in
Speaker 2: New England. I'm not worried about him getting lack of
Speaker 2: targets because I'm drafting him with the idea that I'm
Speaker 2: going to feed him in the football constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're both still now on ten at four.
Speaker 2: I'm not like a hard I'm a soft no.
Speaker 1: It's so hard in this I kind of feel about it.
Speaker 2: So I feel about Ted McMillan in the same way
Speaker 2: I felt about Mason Grant before they added Milton Williams,
Speaker 2: which was I don't think he'd be a bad pick,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely not the best pick they can make.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I think in this draft
Speaker 1: it's so hard because all these guys.
Speaker 2: There's out on anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's positive and negatives about everybody, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's not a perfect draft, not that any draft's perfect,
Speaker 1: but it's really this one's really not a perfect draft.
Speaker 1: So it's tough to be a hard no on anybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I could understand it, but I think
Speaker 1: that it's a risk if.
Speaker 2: You're but they're all rich. Like this is why I
Speaker 2: won't say I'm a no, because I think when you
Speaker 2: say you're out on a player, you have to give
Speaker 2: an alternative, right, So let's say, let's say we throw
Speaker 2: that qualifyer again, Hunter and Carter off the board, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're out on Teed McMillan, you're out on Will Campbell? Like,
Speaker 2: who are you in on? You have to have somebody
Speaker 2: you're willing to pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to pick somebody, as you like, right,
Speaker 1: So who? So who?
Speaker 2: If you're a no on Tech McMillan, who, I don't know? No,
Speaker 2: you can't say you.
Speaker 1: Don't know who would I pick? I would take Will Campbell,
Speaker 1: but I said you wouldn't. But in this scenario, I
Speaker 1: would take Will Campbell.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you said you wouldn't take him before.
Speaker 1: I said I would take him in that scenario.
Speaker 2: Not projecting what they are, not projecting them. You you're
Speaker 2: on the clock Hunter, and for this team, Hunter and
Speaker 2: Carter are gone, and the trade isn't there. Nobody wants
Speaker 2: to move up. You're just gonna let the clock run
Speaker 2: out like the Minnesota Vikings and let somebody make the
Speaker 2: decision for you.
Speaker 1: I might.
Speaker 2: Well, that's terrible.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible spot to be in I'm.
Speaker 2: Taking Campbell in that scenario, I feel great about it.
Speaker 2: I'm probably taking can.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm probably taking Campbell.
Speaker 2: Like you, you can't just be out on everybody, is
Speaker 2: my point. Yeah, I know you make a valid I
Speaker 2: would take a long hard look at Tech McMillan. I
Speaker 2: would take a long hard look at Tyler Warren. I
Speaker 2: would still take a long hard look at Armond Membo. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I really would. But I think, as that clock's mine
Speaker 2: and I'm taking every second to try to make calls,
Speaker 2: and realistically you'll probably get a trade. But I think
Speaker 2: i'd end up taking Will Campbell if I was in
Speaker 2: that situation, wouldn't feel good about it. And maybe I
Speaker 2: don't know that there is a pick you're gonna feel
Speaker 2: good about. But again, you're just gonna let the clock
Speaker 2: run out, all right, you know what Jaguars you pick,
Speaker 2: You make the decision for us, and then we'll just
Speaker 2: take who's left. But you still might not like anybody.
Speaker 2: You're gonna let the Raiders decide at what point. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'd feel pretty good about letting the Jets decide. Now,
Speaker 2: I'd pick an eight. I'd pick an eight because whoever
Speaker 2: the Jets take at seven is probably wrong. So you know,
Speaker 2: whoever they leave is probably right.
Speaker 1: It's a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 2: It's not easy. It's not an easy draft. This is
Speaker 2: a hard draft, and that that clip is gonna get
Speaker 2: turned into me saying I think the Patriots should undoubtedly
Speaker 2: take Will Campbell, but no, it's just an exercise.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I come back to with
Speaker 1: Will Campbell then and then we can stop laboring this point.
Speaker 1: The worst case scenario is that he's a really good guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario. Whereas I think the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario with a guy like Ted is that he
Speaker 1: can't get open, right, Yeah, and that's that's really not good.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So like that, that, to me, I think is a
Speaker 1: big difference. Uh, with those two players.
Speaker 2: I don't know, somebody in the chat, this is a
Speaker 2: good one, tough spot. I'm absolutely taking Campbell in that scenario.
Speaker 2: Jihad Campbell, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Walker is a better linebacker than Jehad
Speaker 2: Campbell is. But that's another guy I would take a long,
Speaker 2: hard look at. I do like John Campbell. I just
Speaker 2: think Jalen Walker's little better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you you know, if you really don't
Speaker 1: like those options, then you're you're going and you're you're
Speaker 1: taking a defensive player with some tools, right, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's Jalen Walker, it's Mikel Williams, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: Michael Williams, we haven't heard anything about his pro day.
Speaker 1: There's like a forty time that got floated out there
Speaker 1: that wasn't so great, and we haven't heard any other
Speaker 1: testing numbers from this prod, which makes me worried that
Speaker 1: that tells me that they weren't good.
Speaker 2: They used to televise to Georgia Brodey.
Speaker 1: If they were good. If Mikel william had this great
Speaker 1: pro day, it's like Trayvon Walker esque pro day, we
Speaker 1: would all know about it, right, Like those numbers would
Speaker 1: be everywhere. He also didn't can participate in the combine.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if there was an injury with him,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know if if Mikyle Williams was
Speaker 1: this like a Donnis athlete that everybody thought. Shamar Stewart
Speaker 1: is like another one of those guys. Right, they had
Speaker 1: to blew up the combine. It's a tough spot to
Speaker 1: be in.
Speaker 2: All right, better hope somebody wants that pick.
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Speaker 1: guys have been waiting. Let's get to these phones. Patty
Speaker 1: is an agoam. What's up, Patty?
Speaker 2: It's up, Patty?
Speaker 1: What is up?
Speaker 2: Jen?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 1: How are we doing.
Speaker 6: Doing all right?
Speaker 7: Today? I had a point that I wanted to say,
Speaker 7: and then I'm gonna end with a couple questions. So
Speaker 7: the point I wanted to make was regarding the offensive
Speaker 7: tackles to Alex. I know you say you'd prefer Ursery
Speaker 7: over Connolly Junior.
Speaker 8: I've done.
Speaker 7: I'm a sick Oh, So I do like a lot
Speaker 7: of like podcast listening reading on all these kids coming
Speaker 7: out of college and I have, I mean I have
Speaker 7: for like thirty plus years, right, So to me, just
Speaker 7: from what I've gleaned, it looks like Ersery is more
Speaker 7: of a plug and play guy. I mean, he could
Speaker 7: start on the web side day one. Connery though, is
Speaker 7: a little bit younger. I think he's only twenty one
Speaker 7: and use a former running back and a former basketball player.
Speaker 7: And it's a lot of the stuff that I'm reading
Speaker 7: that I'm listening to says that he hasn't even hit
Speaker 7: his floor, his potential floor yet as a target, I
Speaker 7: mean as an offensive tackle. So just going by what
Speaker 7: you guys said, like if you were to get someone
Speaker 7: like Tyron Smith to be like a stop gap player,
Speaker 7: a lot of these guys, like the PFF guys, Steve Belt,
Speaker 7: I know he's not with them anymore, but Steve the
Speaker 7: old guy from PFF. Yeah, they're saying that he could
Speaker 7: be possibly the best franchise tackle out of the whole class,
Speaker 7: and that's what that's kind of like, that's what I'm
Speaker 7: looking for. And that's just my two cents on that.
Speaker 7: So my two quick questions I have for you guys,
Speaker 7: and these these are kind of thinkers. I can't even
Speaker 7: like come up with them just in your guy's opinion.
Speaker 7: The first one, who's the safer pick out of Tet
Speaker 7: McMillan and Wild Campbell.
Speaker 2: I think will Will Campbell because at very least you're
Speaker 2: getting guard Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 7: And I think the second question I had is, I
Speaker 7: know I just kind of prefaced this what's talking about
Speaker 7: Josh Connolly, but just in that same day, and I
Speaker 7: think if Travis Hunter is there at four, TEP might
Speaker 7: be more of a just a day one starter, plug
Speaker 7: and play guy. You kind of see that between him
Speaker 7: and Hunter because a lot of the stuff that I
Speaker 7: hear in ridon Hunters that he's still rob like he's
Speaker 7: still learning the position. I would take Hunter at four
Speaker 7: and just kind of let him learn on the fly.
Speaker 7: But I'd like to get your guys thoughts on that,
Speaker 7: and I'll take it off the air. Guys are the best.
Speaker 7: I'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Patty. Yeah, I can understand, you know, some of
Speaker 1: those people that think Hunter's kind of still developing as
Speaker 1: a receiver, but I'm not taking him over.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, McMillan's obviously more developed at the position he's
Speaker 2: been playing in his whole life. Flicker has never focused
Speaker 2: full time on receiver. But the idea is once you
Speaker 2: let him do that with his natural skills, he's gonna
Speaker 2: truly progress at a rapid an exponential rate. So I'm
Speaker 2: betting on the ceiling there. Like McMillan probably has a
Speaker 2: slightly higher floor at wide receiver than Hunter, slightly higher floor,
Speaker 2: but I think the ceiling for Hunters much much higher.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also I think Hunter's actually got some real
Speaker 1: natural instincts for receiver, which I really was comes from
Speaker 1: playing corner pretty surprised by in a way. Was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some like technical stuff with like his release
Speaker 1: in the top of the route and stuff like that
Speaker 1: that he will need to develop with more time spent
Speaker 1: on receiver, but he's got a really good feel for
Speaker 1: play for running routes against zone coverage, like finding soft
Speaker 1: spots and pockets and zones. He has a really good
Speaker 1: field working off script with Shador Sanders and making himself
Speaker 1: available for the quarterback and has a great motor just
Speaker 1: like constantly trying to get open and constantly working himself open,
Speaker 1: which would translate nicely to Drake May and then he's
Speaker 1: got great ball skins. So like those things are just
Speaker 1: natural abilities that when you watch him at receiver that
Speaker 1: he just has innately already. So we can maybe get
Speaker 1: bogged down by the fact that his footwork at the
Speaker 1: top of the route could be a little bit more efficient,
Speaker 1: or his hand fighting against man to man and press
Speaker 1: could be a little bit better, but like those things
Speaker 1: are gonna come when he plays a position more often
Speaker 1: the things that he's innately good at are naturally good at.
Speaker 1: Like that's his floor. That's like where you know, I
Speaker 1: feel safe with him as a pick, So no, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't really panic about that. But I'm with Josh Connerly,
Speaker 1: Like I like the idea. Now, if you're telling me
Speaker 1: that you feel like they need to sign Cam Robinson
Speaker 1: as a one year bridge or even a half year
Speaker 1: bridge just to coach up Connorly before you throw him
Speaker 1: in there at left tackled, And I don't hate that plan,
Speaker 1: but I'm with Patty. I'm taking the upside, like I'm
Speaker 1: going for the guy that I think can be a
Speaker 1: really high level left tackle. Give me the big mall.
Speaker 1: All right, Marcus is in South Carolina. We get a
Speaker 1: lot of calls from North Carolina, Marcus, but you're in
Speaker 1: South Carolina.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, thank y'all for having me. I really enjoy
Speaker 9: watching y'all, and y'all are the best endless out. It's
Speaker 9: hard to cover this team, and y'all have a non
Speaker 9: bitter perspective, so I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 9: But I wanted to ask about Trey Hares. You know,
Speaker 9: Jackson Dart's getting a lot of love right now, and
Speaker 9: I don't know, I don't know if people didn't watch
Speaker 9: Old Miss every time Trey hair has played, Jackson Dart
Speaker 9: looked really good.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm a.
Speaker 9: Florida fan, and the one catch he had was a
Speaker 9: touchdown for forty three yards. And I'll be interested to
Speaker 9: hear thoughts about DJ Lagway once he gets close to
Speaker 9: in the draft. But I just don't get why he's
Speaker 9: not I get he's older and he's had some injuries,
Speaker 9: but about a player who can come in and produce
Speaker 9: right away. I wanted to get your thoughts on Trey
Speaker 9: Harris and how y'all feel about him as a Patriot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Marcus. Uh, he was a
Speaker 1: recency bias from a guy at one point when I
Speaker 1: was making.
Speaker 2: My way out of the receiver. It's not your kind
Speaker 2: of player.
Speaker 1: I comped into Brandon Lafel like Crafty, a good route
Speaker 1: runner for his size, can win at the catch point,
Speaker 1: just not gonna run by you. You're not not particularly fast.
Speaker 1: I think that's where some people have reservations with him,
Speaker 1: is that he just doesn't have a whole lot of
Speaker 1: bursts or speed down the field or after the catch.
Speaker 2: So Day two Techncvillian, Yeah, he's kind of just.
Speaker 1: Going to catch the ball at twelve thirteen yards and
Speaker 1: go down Like that's kind of think what people are
Speaker 1: a little concerned about with Trey Harris. But he's in
Speaker 1: that group to me in day two, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: just you know, from let's call it sixty to one
Speaker 1: hundred that yea, you're gonna have a slew of receivers
Speaker 1: go there, and I think Trey Harris is probably gonna
Speaker 1: end up.
Speaker 2: Somewhere higher than sixty. But yeah, like somewhere on do
Speaker 2: you mean like forty to eighty.
Speaker 1: I think he can go top fifty.
Speaker 2: He could maybe, I mean if I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know where teams are at with aomnor. But like
Speaker 2: he's yeah, one of the next X guys up, got
Speaker 2: more speed, I think so. Yeah, Trey Harris is a
Speaker 2: solid player. So I think Jackson Dart's getting a little
Speaker 2: too much love.
Speaker 1: That's putting it nicely.
Speaker 2: I will say to his other point, I do really
Speaker 2: like DJ Lagway. I'm a big fan of DJ Lagway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you are. He's what next year to.
Speaker 2: Know, he's a true freshman past two years or so,
Speaker 2: he's twenty five, he's twenty twenty seven draft, So.
Speaker 1: Start tanking now, Yeah, I mean not who else?
Speaker 5: Is it? No?
Speaker 2: Somebody else too? Who's the other quarterback? There's another really
Speaker 2: good quarterback in that draft? And that's actually that draft's
Speaker 2: gonna be unreal because it's gonna be Lagway, It's gonna
Speaker 2: be Jeremiah Smith, it's gonna be Ryan Williams, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be the guy, the Dylan Stewart from South Carolina, the
Speaker 2: pass rusher. Yeah that this freshman class is unfreaking believable.
Speaker 2: But I really like DJ Lagway. He's my kind of quarterback. Big.
Speaker 2: I can throw it a mile, a ton of zip
Speaker 2: on the ball, runs runs around. You're descrireless. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: he is kind of day oh. I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 2: It's too early to see where he's at. He was
Speaker 2: kind of up and down this year, but he didn't
Speaker 2: get the starting reps in camp. That was Graham Mertz.
Speaker 2: Graham Mertz is gone. So I'm looking forward to see
Speaker 2: what he can do with a full year and hopefully
Speaker 2: some better receivers because a lot of his receivers left.
Speaker 2: But you know who actually his top receiver is gonna
Speaker 2: be next year? You want you're ready to feel old
Speaker 2: Eugene Wilson, the third, the third, well, the one who
Speaker 2: played here was j So his son, uh and DJ Lagways.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about him for the Pats next year.
Speaker 2: He'll be draft eligible next year. Eugene Wilson's son. Imagine
Speaker 2: if they ended and imagine they ended up with the
Speaker 2: same team, ended up with the Sante Samuel and Eugene Wilson.
Speaker 2: But one's a receiver now, so they'd be running, you know,
Speaker 2: against each other.
Speaker 1: Just throw Jason Taylor's son in there. Too, and then
Speaker 1: you have like an.
Speaker 2: All but Mason Taylor didn't play here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's like an age.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Two thousands reunion.
Speaker 2: We're getting there.
Speaker 1: Who else?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: I think Chad Pennington's son is playing college football? So
Speaker 2: my god is in the FBS.
Speaker 1: Sold all right, So that's the mcnabs kid. Just just think, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Chris is in Allentown. What's up, Chris.
Speaker 2: Chad Pennington's son is at Marshall Bellow makes sense?
Speaker 1: Chris?
Speaker 2: You there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go for it.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys for taking my call. That's my first
Speaker 5: time calling in. Usually I have to catch this on
Speaker 5: the podcast afterwards.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 2: Thanks appreciating going.
Speaker 5: So my question is, since it's the time of year
Speaker 5: for hypotheticals, if something weird happens at the top of
Speaker 5: the draft, Let's say Carter falls to us at four,
Speaker 5: or they fall in love with Ashton genty, or we
Speaker 5: trip on the way up to the stage and don't
Speaker 5: get to pick somebody.
Speaker 8: We go past the.
Speaker 5: Fourth overall pick and we don't have either a receiver
Speaker 5: or a tackle because we had to take someone else.
Speaker 5: Now we're looking at that that second tier trading up
Speaker 5: into the end of this end of the first beginning
Speaker 5: of the second for these guys, which is the bigger
Speaker 5: drop off from your you know, your thirties to your sixties,
Speaker 5: either wide receiver or tackle.
Speaker 2: Tackle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would probably say tackle too. Thanks for the call, Chris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after Ursery, I think is probably the one in my
Speaker 1: mind would probably I guess Simmons with the injury maybe,
Speaker 1: but after that group goes, you know, Connorlycery Simmons, After
Speaker 1: that group goes, I mean, who is the next true tackle,
Speaker 1: Like not Wyatt Milam, who's gonna move inside the guard?
Speaker 1: But like, is it Belton? It might be Belton.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one more guy in there at Am missing.
Speaker 1: Because it's all because that's all that that group of
Speaker 1: Wyatt Milam, Gray Zabel, Donovan Jackson from Ohio State, all
Speaker 1: those guys are probably gonna play guard.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess it would be one of the true
Speaker 2: right tackles would be Cameron Williams or Emery Jones.
Speaker 1: I think I think both those guys might play guard too,
Speaker 1: especially Emery Jones. Emery Jones's tape it right tackles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then it would Yeah, I think you're probably
Speaker 2: between Belton Pillow. I know some people like Logan Brown
Speaker 2: from Kansas. Yeah, I put him another step down. He
Speaker 2: got kicked what he got in a fight with the teammate. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably Belton or Trapillo, depending on what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: What you like.
Speaker 1: That's not a great, that's not good.
Speaker 2: Those are not definitely not day one starters, might not
Speaker 2: be year one starters. I like Belton, I like his upside.
Speaker 2: Trapillo is an interesting prospect too. I'm not expecting you
Speaker 2: those guys to start early on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It it's not a deep tackle class, and I
Speaker 1: think this is you know, we've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past, but because you don't have the all it's
Speaker 1: the Fashanos. The figwas, uh, those guys bumping down the
Speaker 1: next tier like you did last year where you had
Speaker 1: that Kingsley, Sue Mattier, Roger and Patrick Paul tier. That
Speaker 1: tier doesn't really exist in this draft because all those
Speaker 1: guys are going higher, right, So this is a tough
Speaker 1: one in terms of tackle outside the top forty. I
Speaker 1: think it really drops off after that.
Speaker 2: If they miss Uneursery and Connery, like they're not. Venerian
Speaker 2: Lowe's a candidate to start week one next year, Like
Speaker 2: that's it probably strong candidate to start week one next year,
Speaker 2: because I don't know where else you're getting somebody. You
Speaker 2: might bring in somebody later on who competes with them,
Speaker 2: and maybe like Belton really pops on the left side,
Speaker 2: but that's an open competition in camp. One hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So if if they get by thirty eight and they
Speaker 2: even taken a tackle, they're not they had they didn't
Speaker 2: address the need.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of receivers in my mind in every draft, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this draft. I know that people are down on
Speaker 1: the receiver class this year, especially at the top. I
Speaker 1: don't think the league is too a gung ho about
Speaker 1: the receiver class either, but I always feel like to
Speaker 1: know some of those Day two guys, a couple are
Speaker 1: gonna hit. And maybe I'm not saying that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be Lad McConkie or be like stars, you know, but
Speaker 1: a couple of them will be viable NFL receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: caller called in about Trey Harris, you know, right, Jack
Speaker 1: Betch from TCU, you know those types of guys. One
Speaker 1: of those guys is gonna be a good player. Maybe
Speaker 1: a couple.
Speaker 2: Just see Steve Smith thinks that Jack bet should play tight.
Speaker 1: End, Well, I would assume he plays big slot. Like,
Speaker 1: so we're kind of splitting hairs right, Like he's gonna
Speaker 1: be an inside predominantly receiver. If you want to call
Speaker 1: him like a move tight end instead of receiver, then
Speaker 1: it we're kind of yeah, we're in semantics land there.
Speaker 1: But uh Jack Betch Trey Harris, I you man or
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where he's gonna end up. He
Speaker 1: might go a little bit higher than than you know
Speaker 1: that third round projection, if you will. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: other guys I can't think of off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, but I don't hate any of those guys.
Speaker 1: Like I think, like, where's Jalen Noel gonna go? You know,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna go second round. You know, I think
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Uh Higgins is probably gonna go
Speaker 1: second round too, He's a good player. Uh. Ted Johnson
Speaker 1: is probably gonna go undrafted. I'm just kidding. I don't
Speaker 1: know where Ted Johnson is gonna go. I know you
Speaker 1: want we want to talk about outliers. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: that's fair. Okay, So this is a good question. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've I addressed directly. Yeah, maybe we have.
Speaker 1: But Andrew and Lincoln is a long time listener, so
Speaker 1: he just emailed us asking about Will Campbell versus Peter Skaransky,
Speaker 1: because obviously Rabel drafted Scronsky. It was his last first
Speaker 1: round pick in Tennessee. Uh. In the first round, they
Speaker 1: drafted Skoransky and immediately moved Skronsky inside the guard. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even a conversation about it.
Speaker 2: They guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wasn't even a conversation. He played college tackle.
Speaker 1: Skronsky's a little shorter. Yeah, his arms are a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter. I don't think that he moves as well
Speaker 1: as Will Campbell. Will Campbell is an excellent athlete. But
Speaker 1: all in all, I can understand where the emailer is
Speaker 1: coming from. That aren't aren't those guys kind of similar?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And in one way, if you want to be predictive
Speaker 1: about it, it kind of says, okay, well that's a
Speaker 1: Rabel guy, right, if you want to look at it
Speaker 1: that way. The other way to look at it is
Speaker 1: Rabel's gonna think Will Campbell's guard, right, because he thought
Speaker 1: Skoransky is a guard. Do do you see any comparisons
Speaker 1: there with Skansky and Campbell.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously a little bit, but no, I think
Speaker 2: Skoransky everybody kind of knew he wasn't the He was
Speaker 2: a good tackle, he was not the level of tackle
Speaker 2: Will Campbell was. I've said this in the lead up
Speaker 2: to the arm measurement, right, if he comes in under
Speaker 2: thirty three, it's about asking yourself, do you believe he
Speaker 2: is a special kind of talent that he can be
Speaker 2: a trend breaker and reset the margin. Skoransky's good. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody ever believed Skorroansky was that level of player,
Speaker 2: that he was going to be this generational talent where
Speaker 2: he could offset, especially how short his arms are. Campbe's
Speaker 2: a little closer. I also think he's above thirty two
Speaker 2: and five eighths. Just the whole thing with the combine
Speaker 2: measurements versus the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl measurements. The
Speaker 2: fact that the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl are similar,
Speaker 2: and the combine it's like an equal outlier from those two.
Speaker 2: So did the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl both get
Speaker 2: the measurements equally wrong? I STI don't think Campbell's thirty three,
Speaker 2: but I think he's probably closer thirty thirty two and
Speaker 2: seven eighths.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he that thirty two and seven eighth number
Speaker 1: that's been out there, Yeah, more accurate.
Speaker 2: So I I mean, I understand it's it's the same,
Speaker 2: like I it's similar. I understand where that comp's coming from.
Speaker 2: But I think the situations are different enough. I if
Speaker 2: anything you know is able, maybe looking at it, like
Speaker 2: we'll try him at tackle the worst case scenario like
Speaker 2: Skeronsky's the worst case scenario for him with Campbell more
Speaker 2: than I guess, like a blueprint.
Speaker 1: I think I think Campbell's a better player than Scar Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think he was a better player. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see the comparison. All right. Alexander has two
Speaker 1: good questions. I want to start with this one first, though,
Speaker 1: is actually his second question, because I have to get
Speaker 1: your take on the mock draft heard around the world
Speaker 1: by Mike so awesome Ashton Genty fourth overall, but before
Speaker 1: we talk about the Patriots and Ashen Denty, Alexander thinks
Speaker 1: that the Giants at three overall could take Ashton Genty
Speaker 1: to replace Saquon Barkley. And I got it that that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Not if they don't have a quarterback. Maybe if they
Speaker 2: get Rogers.
Speaker 1: But if Joe Shane wasn't willing to pay Sakwon Barkley
Speaker 1: because he doesn't believe in running backs, why would he
Speaker 1: draft a running backs?
Speaker 2: And he learned his lesson because he's getting meaned to
Speaker 2: death on the internet. That's why I'm all for that.
Speaker 2: Take Ashon gent at three, I'd be great. I love
Speaker 2: Mike's mantra. Ultimately the point of Mack drafts, which people forget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so it's two prong it's predictive, but it's also
Speaker 2: like the exercise. The way I view it is it's
Speaker 2: just a tool to help teach people about the prospects
Speaker 2: in the draft. That's why I usually try to avoid
Speaker 2: because I'll do three Patriots mock drafts and three NFL
Speaker 2: mock drafts, so I make six first round picks for
Speaker 2: the Patriots and make every other pick three times. I
Speaker 2: try my best to avoid repeating players so that I
Speaker 2: get people informed on as many players as possible as
Speaker 2: many situations. Right, all right, so if they go this
Speaker 2: position at the top, now what's next? Blah blah, blah,
Speaker 2: Drake May and I think just about every one. I
Speaker 2: think I had one Patriots one for Jane and Daniels
Speaker 2: last year, but that was different. It was a unique scenario.
Speaker 2: So what would it look like. It's part of the exercise.
Speaker 2: We're just doing scenarios like we did before. Right, Hunter
Speaker 2: and car both off the board, phones dead, no trades? Right,
Speaker 2: who are you tay? Will that happen? I don't know.
Speaker 2: What's an exercise? This is all about playing out different scenarios.
Speaker 2: What if the Patriots just think there's a real chance
Speaker 2: I've said this that, regardless of positional value, Ashton Genty
Speaker 2: is the best football player on the board when the
Speaker 2: Patriots are picking it for What if they just look
Speaker 2: at that and say, it's as simple as that. Will
Speaker 2: that happen? I doubt it? Should it happen? Probably not,
Speaker 2: But let's play out the scenario. Let's learn something. The
Speaker 2: crazier thing was Ursery getting all the way to sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm more probably we discussed that. That's a side
Speaker 1: note obviously to the Jesse thing.
Speaker 2: You know, but you know what, my he got people
Speaker 2: worked up. He had some fun with it. It's it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be fun. This is all supposed to be
Speaker 2: fun and have some fun with it, and good for
Speaker 2: Mike for having fun.
Speaker 1: We lose the plot on that a little bit. This
Speaker 1: is all supposed to just be.
Speaker 2: The plot on it. I love having fun with this stuff.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest argument for Ashton Genty is the
Speaker 1: one you just made. If you truly feel like he
Speaker 1: is the best football player on the board, then you
Speaker 1: could make the argument. And we sat here and said,
Speaker 1: it's a tough spot to be in if if Hunter
Speaker 1: and Carter are off the board, because it's like who
Speaker 1: do you take? Who do you take? At that point
Speaker 1: that being said, what I keep coming back to with
Speaker 1: Ashton Genty because I'm a nerd and I can't get
Speaker 1: the positional value out of my head. I just I
Speaker 1: find it the path to making Ashton Genty work that pick,
Speaker 1: make him work to be hard.
Speaker 2: For this team. Yes, I agree with you. Let me
Speaker 2: ask you this. Let's how all right, let's say, and
Speaker 2: we're kind of idealizing things here. They sign Cam Robinson
Speaker 2: and they go receiver with their first pick, whether it's
Speaker 2: tet or they move back and they get Burden or
Speaker 2: they get Golden Right. Yeah, So you have a left tackle,
Speaker 2: you have a receiver. Okay, moving up to three whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, Amari and Hampton.
Speaker 1: That's the other part about this to be that I
Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around with Genty, Not to tease
Speaker 1: Mike anymore than I did yesterday, but it's such a
Speaker 1: great running back class.
Speaker 2: That's my biggest part.
Speaker 1: So like is the drop off from Genty to Amarion
Speaker 1: Hampton to the second day two guys like it's it's
Speaker 1: so much you can find what they need, well, somebody
Speaker 1: to push Formandra Stevenson, like Rmandra Stevens is not a scrub.
Speaker 1: I know he had a bad year last year, but
Speaker 1: he's not a scrub.
Speaker 2: The drop off from Genty to Hampton is significant, but
Speaker 2: that's more about genty being this rare prospect than it
Speaker 2: is about any of the other guys. You're right, if
Speaker 2: you're just trying to get a guy who's gonna push
Speaker 2: Stevenson and and fill in, you know, give you a
Speaker 2: really solid number two. At least you can get that
Speaker 2: guy early on day three. Frankly, if you want to go.
Speaker 1: To twenty of those guys in this draft.
Speaker 2: That might be a little high. There's it's probably closer
Speaker 2: to ten.
Speaker 1: There's probably it's like legit like legitimately gonna.
Speaker 2: Right, But draft well running back does not mean is
Speaker 2: gonna push Ramondre Stevenson for the starting.
Speaker 1: Job third or fourth round. I can. If they take
Speaker 1: one at seventy seven, I'm not gonna kill him for it.
Speaker 1: Depends on who it is. But if they take one
Speaker 1: at seventy seven, I'm not gonna kill him for it.
Speaker 1: If they take one at one of six, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not gonna If they take one at seventy seven, my
Speaker 2: guess is it's Dylan Samson from Tennessee, who is a
Speaker 2: well rounded back, a really good in space, and that's
Speaker 2: he'd be a good complimentary player to Stevenson because he's
Speaker 2: he's a little better catching the football and he plays
Speaker 2: in that widespread Tennessee offense. So they were so good
Speaker 2: at getting him one on one with defenders. So if
Speaker 2: you're gonna run some of that outside stuff that McDaniel's
Speaker 2: runs right as a counter to pounding the ball with Stevenson,
Speaker 2: you can get him one on one with slock corners
Speaker 2: in safety.
Speaker 1: Safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be really good in the The other
Speaker 2: guy at seventy seven would be Cam Scatabo.
Speaker 1: Who who's picking up some steam again.
Speaker 2: Picking up a lot of steam. He So that's my
Speaker 2: day two Ashton Genty. Honestly, well there's two day two
Speaker 2: act their second round ash and Genty is quinch On Judkins,
Speaker 2: and third round ash and genty or fringe top one hundred,
Speaker 2: ash and genty is Cam Scadrow. The only reason Cam
Speaker 2: Scadbow is not gonna be a top fifty pick, there's
Speaker 2: two reasons. Late breakout player and he's twenty gonna be
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four year old rookie, but his skill
Speaker 2: set and he is underrated as a receiver. Do not
Speaker 2: everybody wants to call him Mike Alstott, Do not sleep
Speaker 2: on how good Cam Scatabo is in the passing game.
Speaker 1: Don't do it nothing.
Speaker 2: Don't do the same with genty, But he'd be he'd
Speaker 2: be an interesting pick at seventy seven two.
Speaker 1: It makes a total sense to me that Scamp Cam
Speaker 1: Scattaboo is picking up this late steam because this is
Speaker 1: when the coaches get involved. Yep, right, So now all
Speaker 1: of the they met with the common Rabels and the
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaughs, and like all these guys are like that's
Speaker 1: just a football play, and I just want that guy on.
Speaker 1: I want to go to war with that dude, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's what they're all saying.
Speaker 2: You can rally baby.
Speaker 1: So the scouts are all saying, yeah, but he's he's
Speaker 1: not very fast, and like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, he's not very fast.
Speaker 1: He's not very big, and he's not he's kind of old,
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 2: He's not tall. He is thick, he's got the muscle,
Speaker 2: he's thick with two seas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then these coaches come in and they're like, but
Speaker 1: he's a football player, like he's tough, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: build a run game around him and we're gonna run
Speaker 1: it down people's throats. And then the scouts are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like he's not really very athletic, and they're like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Like it's.
Speaker 2: You don't need to run over guys. I give you
Speaker 2: one more running back. Take look on it. You'll actually
Speaker 2: like this one. So it was reported last week that
Speaker 2: the Patriots met with e Equavius Marks Woody Marks from
Speaker 2: USC at the USC Pro Day Day three pick. He's
Speaker 2: probably gonna be somewhere. He'll sneak in the top two hundred.
Speaker 2: It will be like one fifty two hundred range. Uh.
Speaker 2: Woody Marks is one of the best pure pass catching
Speaker 2: backs in this draft, so you know, the do it
Speaker 2: all guys like Jeni and Scatabo like a guy you're
Speaker 2: going to throw the football to. He's one of the
Speaker 2: best receiving backs in this draft. Not a guy you're
Speaker 2: probably gonna hand the ball off to a ton not
Speaker 2: great in between the tackles, a little bit on the
Speaker 2: smaller side, doesn't necessarily have that great burst, but he
Speaker 2: is a mismatch in the past game. Am I reading
Speaker 2: too much into it to look at that meeting and
Speaker 2: say we're going back to early down passing down backs
Speaker 2: and no more splitting by drive, no more splitting by fatigue.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Ramandre Stevenson, you know, early on, and
Speaker 2: then when you get into those third downs, when you
Speaker 2: get in those two minutes, it's the James White role
Speaker 2: essentially what I'm talking about. Yeah, and it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be Woody marx Well. Quinn Allen from Sarah Jus
Speaker 2: is another guy I really like. Brischard Smith from SMU
Speaker 2: is a converted wide receiver. Maybe it's Antonio Gibson. Maybe
Speaker 2: they're meeting with guys, But it's Antonio Gibson in the building,
Speaker 2: another converted wide receiver, but like Woody Marks, he's I'm
Speaker 2: not comping him to James whe because James Waite's an
Speaker 2: unbelievable player, but like when I look at him, that's
Speaker 2: the guy they would have drafted five years ago to
Speaker 2: be in that role. You're not drafting him to hand
Speaker 2: the ball off to him from under center. You're drafting
Speaker 2: him to throw him the football. Am I reading too
Speaker 2: much into that and saying maybe this is a sign
Speaker 2: the running back mix is coming back.
Speaker 1: No, not not totally. And I would also just say schematically,
Speaker 1: if they want Drake may Or, I should say, if
Speaker 1: Drake may wants to play in the gun predominantly and
Speaker 1: he's not as comfortable under center, yeah, and they're going
Speaker 1: to be more of a spread offense, then you need
Speaker 1: like a scap back like you're Remondre. I don't think
Speaker 1: is a great fit for that type of offense. You
Speaker 1: want to spread back at that point, it's got some
Speaker 1: speed and got some wiggle. You mentioned the kid from
Speaker 1: SMU Bishard Smith, right, Smithy, Yeah, I think Smith. I
Speaker 1: like Smith a lot like explosive guy. Right, He's He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that when he gets a creased,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, he's gonna be gone. Like Quinn
Speaker 1: Allen is really highly regarded for his ability to and
Speaker 1: blitz pick up.
Speaker 2: He's an unreal blocker.
Speaker 1: Probably the best blocker in the class. So he's one
Speaker 1: side is just the best at everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he is. I'm not joking. He's maybe not
Speaker 2: straight line speed. Outside of that, he might be so,
Speaker 2: but Quinn Allen.
Speaker 1: Quinn Allen a Day three guy probably that the range.
Speaker 1: I think there's a handful of those guys. There's one
Speaker 1: where I'll look it up. I can't think of off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. For Smith quinn Allen, I
Speaker 1: want to say like Virginia Tech or something like that.
Speaker 2: So base shall Tutton too. Yes, so he's not he
Speaker 2: has like the physical tools, yeah, but he's not as
Speaker 2: developed as like a route runner. Also, he has big
Speaker 2: time ball security issues both fumbles and like drops. So
Speaker 2: that's you need to be more reliable in that position.
Speaker 2: To me, he he I would almost compare him more so. Again,
Speaker 2: they had the early down passing down and people kind
Speaker 2: of turned that into big and physical, small and fast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are small and fast running backs who aren't good receivers,
Speaker 2: which generally their early down backs were Antoine Smith, Garrett Blunt, right,
Speaker 2: Stephen Ridley, like Damian Harris, these bruisers. They did have
Speaker 2: a couple early down backs during the run who were
Speaker 2: the smaller, quicker guys. Lewis, Dean Lewis. Yeah, you see going,
Speaker 2: I Toutton to me is more in the Deon Lewis
Speaker 2: mold than he is the James White molt. I love
Speaker 2: people think Dean Lewis is a receiving back day Like
Speaker 2: never threw him the ball. You didn't really need to.
Speaker 2: He was really good.
Speaker 1: That's twenty fifteen. Dion Lewis was like some of the
Speaker 1: best running.
Speaker 2: He was the play in Dallas where he like ducks
Speaker 2: under the two defenders and Cory Dylon you know yea
Speaker 2: three h four.
Speaker 1: And then Deon Lewis in twenty fifteen before he got hurt.
Speaker 1: He was he was so that That's where I put
Speaker 1: on some good years in there.
Speaker 2: I'd put toutt more in that group than I would
Speaker 2: in the James White group.
Speaker 1: I like that group, Deon Lewis group.
Speaker 2: The other guy a receiver were you thinking of Marcus
Speaker 2: Yarns from Delaware. Yeah, he fits in that group.
Speaker 1: So that's the receiving back tutorial. Yeah, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: try to blow you away too much here. Not the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, probably wouldn't take him a running back
Speaker 1: in the second round either, but running back in the
Speaker 1: middle rounds is totally in play. I'm totally cool.
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: I order fourth round running back, sign me up.
Speaker 2: I would do that, you know, whether it's one of
Speaker 2: the guys talked about, I'll throw Kyle Mnongai in there.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is their shot to get right
Speaker 2: on Missus and Isaiah and Pacheco. Similar player who also,
Speaker 2: by the way, uh knows the mccardy's and has spoken
Speaker 2: with the McCarty's Rutgers guy. But like if they I
Speaker 2: know people want them to draft somebody to push Stevenson.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like he had it down here. He
Speaker 2: was overworked. I think diminishing his workload would help. If
Speaker 2: they get a guy like le Quinn Allen or Woody
Speaker 2: Marx in the middle of day three, and that's the
Speaker 2: big addition, and they're gonna go back to splitting the
Speaker 2: carry Situationally that would be enough for me.
Speaker 1: I just they need more offense, they need more playmakers.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: What's allowing me to overlook my hatred for running backs
Speaker 1: is that it's such a great class. Yeah, that you're
Speaker 1: really it's really a great marriage between They have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a need there and you're leaning into
Speaker 1: a strength of the class. Right, So you're getting two
Speaker 1: for the price of one in that respect, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you should be passing up on that. I
Speaker 1: feel that way about defensive line. I want a defensive
Speaker 1: lineman at some point in this draft. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need it to be the first round, but at some point,
Speaker 1: I would say in their first four picks, right, their
Speaker 1: top one fifty picks, I would like a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I like a running back, and if they can fit
Speaker 1: it in, I would like a tight end, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's possible. I just think these classes are just
Speaker 1: too good at those three spots for the Patriots to
Speaker 1: sit back and not take anybody in those three positions.
Speaker 1: So I am surprisingly for a running back. How about that?
Speaker 1: I like it? Do you like that? I also like
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Speaker 1: All right, we got a few more calls, a couple
Speaker 1: of emails, and then I do want to go over
Speaker 1: some of the I know you love the rule proposals
Speaker 1: that we have, so we can go over some of
Speaker 1: those as well. Here to wrap up the show. But
Speaker 1: Eldred is in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred? Nice?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: How are we doing?
Speaker 10: Oh? I'm doing pretty good. Hey, I'm like this four.
Speaker 10: If I did get Smith to come in, I'm taking
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, man, y'all keep seeing I know he's running
Speaker 10: full five, but it's in my singing. Watching the game.
Speaker 10: You watch, watching highlight, keep it in the panther, come
Speaker 10: on back and I ain't come out on stint. I'm
Speaker 10: come on straight away straight. And this such thing as
Speaker 10: football speed and forty speed and Baldy gave her and fruits.
Speaker 10: You have a good comparison.
Speaker 6: Yeah, y'all see Drake and whatever?
Speaker 10: What are the guys from the ram? He's gone, I think,
Speaker 10: and I would taken, but wheel Cable, what do you
Speaker 10: think about Brown? That's a gonna see Eldrid.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go because the phone
Speaker 1: was given.
Speaker 2: Out that was there a pooka tech McMillan comp and.
Speaker 1: I got the gist, which is why I let you go. Eldred. So,
Speaker 1: uh he likes Tet McMillan, which I am not shot
Speaker 1: by at all because uh, Eldred's favorite receivers since I've
Speaker 1: known him, DK, Metcalf, Quentin Johnson, Tet McMillan. So do
Speaker 1: you think he has the type? So I I totally
Speaker 1: get that, Eldred. Uh, he made the Poka cop which
Speaker 1: is picking up a little bit of steam like taller, slimmer.
Speaker 2: And I plays faster than he tests.
Speaker 1: I have to admit I kind of see it. I
Speaker 1: kind of see it because's best that's right is catch
Speaker 1: and run ability. Right, he can hit him over the
Speaker 1: middle of the field on a slant or a dig
Speaker 1: or a crosser, and he can he picks up more
Speaker 1: speed as he runs with the football and after the catch,
Speaker 1: and he's got great body control, He's got good hands.
Speaker 1: He's not Pukah's shorter right like Ted's more in that
Speaker 1: big body frame. But I I kind of if you're
Speaker 1: don't love like copping him to Drake London like a
Speaker 1: lot of people do, I don't hate Pokin Nakua as
Speaker 1: a comp for him. I can see it. You can.
Speaker 2: I totally see where's coming from.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: The other one was the kid from Tennessee, the Burner Thompson.
Speaker 1: The receiver ran like a four to three at the combine.
Speaker 1: This is a fast and guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, I guess fast and big, but fast
Speaker 2: and tall.
Speaker 1: I'll give him this. He's legit play speed fast like
Speaker 1: he plays fast and he runs fast. It's not Taekwon
Speaker 1: Thornton like. He is not just a forty thing with him,
Speaker 1: I would say, but he's only fast, like he has
Speaker 1: one thing. It's straight line speed and get down the field. Now,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to say, late on day three, fifth
Speaker 1: sixth round, pair of that kind of guy with a
Speaker 1: dude that throws the deep ball like Drake May. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a role on an NFL team. He's just
Speaker 1: a role player, like he is a certain type of receiver.
Speaker 1: He's not a high volume guy. He's going to take
Speaker 1: the top off the defense and that's about it. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't totally dismiss him because I don't think that
Speaker 1: it's just the fact that he ran fast at the combine.
Speaker 1: I think he plays fast. I think he has legit
Speaker 1: vertical deep speed with Thompson. But yeah, the Pukua nakua
Speaker 1: things picking up some steam with Ted because I think
Speaker 1: people are trying to sell tech.
Speaker 2: I think everybody over corrected to him being too bad
Speaker 2: at the combine and so now they're trying to pull
Speaker 2: it back the other way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that one. All right, Rio is an Exeter.
Speaker 1: What's up? Ryo?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 8: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes? Go for it.
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call. Actually, uh,
Speaker 8: I have to give Alex the credit for inspiring me
Speaker 8: to call finally, because he likes to pick up my
Speaker 8: My comments in the chat was the jihat Campbell guy
Speaker 8: but I have yeah, yeah, he was at nine and
Speaker 8: Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock draft, you know, maybe not quite
Speaker 8: so crazy. But I had just a couple of quick questions. One, uh,
Speaker 8: why is uh nobody talking about Kyle Williams at Washington stage.
Speaker 1: You're just you're just trying to want to double up
Speaker 1: the receiver. You're trying to appease my guy here. This
Speaker 1: is what you're doing. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: What was what was the other one going?
Speaker 1: To ask about Ben Saws.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not. My other question is actually something uh,
Speaker 8: something Evan said on you yesterday, Uh, which is the
Speaker 8: point I've been making for months, which is that I
Speaker 8: think this is a pretty strong draft, actually just not
Speaker 8: at the top, and that going from you know, pick
Speaker 8: four to forty, they're looking at similar quality prospects. So
Speaker 8: what do you think about completely trading out of number four? No,
Speaker 8: I trying to get another high pick in the draft.
Speaker 8: I'll give you a one potential scenario, but doesn't have
Speaker 8: to be this team, but somebody like the Saints if
Speaker 8: they wanted to move up for a quarterback and you
Speaker 8: want to do say like forty seventy one, one, twelve
Speaker 8: and next year's first for number four overall, so you could,
Speaker 8: you know, really stock up on picks and you know,
Speaker 8: build out the roster since they've got fifty one spots
Speaker 8: they need to fill realistically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Calling in the chat, finally making it to the phone.
Speaker 1: I like the outside the box thinking I need a
Speaker 1: first round pick in this draft. I need them to
Speaker 1: take a well.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so like the one he laid out there.
Speaker 2: So you train with the Saints. So you're gonna have
Speaker 2: thirty eight and forty, and you're gonna have three third
Speaker 2: round picks, so you can get back into the first
Speaker 2: from there. Even if the Saints get a quarterback, if
Speaker 2: it's one of these quarterbacks, that first round pick next
Speaker 2: year is probably still a top ten pick. I might
Speaker 2: I don't trust the Saints to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I might do that I need a first round picking
Speaker 1: this draft.
Speaker 2: Well, you're essentially you're getting us I think he said, second, third,
Speaker 2: and fourth, right, So you're still gonna pick in the first,
Speaker 2: but you just have to move We did this the
Speaker 2: other week with DK metcalf right.
Speaker 1: About swapping picks.
Speaker 2: Well, no, remember I said, well if you move up
Speaker 2: to twenty three and then you trade twenty three, and
Speaker 2: then you said, well why not just give them what
Speaker 2: they need to move up to twenty three? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So if you're just getting the Saints are giving you
Speaker 2: the ammunition to move back up, you just have to
Speaker 2: do that other trade. You're still gonna pick in the
Speaker 2: first round. You just have to make another trade.
Speaker 1: Oh, you'd have to make another trade. So are they
Speaker 1: making the other trade? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would assume so Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 2: if I know I can get back into the twenties
Speaker 2: and get one of the tackles, I might do that
Speaker 2: because you're that Saints. I don't think Saints are figuring
Speaker 2: it out. I really don't. I think that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a high pick next year.
Speaker 1: I know you like to pick from next year. I
Speaker 1: don't I understand where you guys are coming from. I
Speaker 1: I think that there's a there's an energy that needs
Speaker 1: to shift here. I don't mean to go all Jayalen
Speaker 1: Brown on you, yeah, but I just feel like if
Speaker 1: you don't make a pick in the first round, the
Speaker 1: excitement level just you're still the season.
Speaker 2: Just so if I can't, if I know I can't
Speaker 2: trade back up in the first round, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 1: But even if you trade back up into the first round,
Speaker 1: I guess it's the equivalent if it's for Connery or
Speaker 1: if Matthew Golden or someone that really moves the needle
Speaker 1: for people, I guess people will be excited. I just
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be said. There's some momentum
Speaker 1: right now with this organization, with Frable coming in, with
Speaker 1: this free agency class that they were able to land
Speaker 1: on defense especially. I think there's a lot to be
Speaker 1: said for the fact that drafting and I know everybody
Speaker 1: would would do a cart wheels for Travis Hunter. But
Speaker 1: like drafting somebody that ILK is going to bring some juice,
Speaker 1: So that's important.
Speaker 2: Here's the equivalent of it. And I think you said
Speaker 2: you would do this the other week. Let's say the
Speaker 2: Vikings call twenty three, yeah, and they get they will
Speaker 2: give you twenty three one day two pick in their
Speaker 2: first next year. Would you do it?
Speaker 1: Why the Viking is doing that? All right?
Speaker 2: Then the Packers at twenty two, I don't know how
Speaker 2: about the Steelers the text all right, the Steelers at
Speaker 2: twenty one.
Speaker 1: So Steelers at twenty one they're gonna get have no quarterback? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they may or may not be in on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I think nobody's in an Aaron Rodgers and I love
Speaker 1: by the way, let's screw.
Speaker 2: So let's say you're not getting the other pick now,
Speaker 2: because's a little bit higher twenty one in the future
Speaker 2: first for four? Are you doing that?
Speaker 1: And the future first for four?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Next year's first. I need more than that twenty one
Speaker 2: future first in like a fourth I.
Speaker 1: Would do twenty one a third in the future. First
Speaker 1: four okay, so maybe that's going from four to twenty
Speaker 1: one is big.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you could swing that. But and the other
Speaker 2: part why is nobody talking about Kyle Williams is because
Speaker 2: he's a little bit older and he only had one
Speaker 2: year of significant production. But dude can play. Dude can play.
Speaker 2: He should be talked about more. And one of the
Speaker 2: more underrated players in this trap. By the way, Lanzerline
Speaker 2: one of his most underrated players, and I talked to
Speaker 2: him at the combine.
Speaker 1: Really good route runner. Yep. The Steelers thing has a
Speaker 1: little bit legs to me. Steelers have no long term
Speaker 1: answer at quarterback.
Speaker 2: They even have a short term answer a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They don't have a short term answer, but I assume
Speaker 1: they will right whether it's bringing back Russ or Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers for or Kirk Cousins or whatever. I'm sure they'll
Speaker 1: have somebody and that seat for a year. Tomlin dion Chador,
Speaker 1: like I could see that vibe working, Like I could
Speaker 1: see that mix of characters working in Pittsburgh. He has
Speaker 1: dk Metcalf and George Pickens to throw the ball to.
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about with Shador that he's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a truck. He's more of a a game manager.
Speaker 1: He's more of a trailer like, he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be much of a truck, and he has those two
Speaker 1: guys to throw two on the outside. I could see
Speaker 1: the Steelers trying to be super aggressive and come up
Speaker 1: for one of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I could you get Steelers first round? Well no, but
Speaker 2: they're gonna finish over five hundred because they always do,
Speaker 2: so that's not gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be twenty it'll be nineteen twenty. Right, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 2: I guess that. Plus the pay whatever the Patriots pick
Speaker 2: ends up being, should get you back in the top ten.
Speaker 2: So if the Patriots pick isn't in the.
Speaker 1: Top ten, I don't know. I just keep an eye
Speaker 1: out for the Steelers. That's all, all right, Let's go
Speaker 1: to DeShawn in Virginia. What's up to Sean?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 5: My god?
Speaker 6: How's it going?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 6: One thing that's the day that people are not really
Speaker 6: talking about it is that this team has been very
Speaker 6: very picky, very choosy when it comes to come to
Speaker 6: come to who they want. Did you know they probably
Speaker 6: could have turned this team into a Super Bowl team overnight.
Speaker 6: I mean literally, because if you actually think about it,
Speaker 6: they could have Stigne every quality free agent. It still
Speaker 6: has a decent amount of money left over. But because
Speaker 6: they feel like they're so entitled, they can feel like
Speaker 6: they're so picky, they can just go about however they
Speaker 6: want through and in a position to do that. And
Speaker 6: that's why it is a position right now. As far
Speaker 6: as trying to figure out who they're going to pick,
Speaker 6: people talk about who they should think and who they
Speaker 6: should not pick if they actually have gone at the
Speaker 6: players instead of think about characters, because you had to
Speaker 6: ask talk do you actually want to win or did
Speaker 6: you autual care about winning or actually losing? So you
Speaker 6: have to pick between the two, and character is a
Speaker 6: bit overrated when it comes to that notion that they
Speaker 6: want to, you know, put that ahead of production on
Speaker 6: the field. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you this, Sean, And I would say
Speaker 1: the one real criticism I'd have of the off season
Speaker 1: so far as passing on that DK Metcalf trade. They
Speaker 1: could have offered a higher second round pick for DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: They had all the money in the world to give
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf the same contract he signed in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: we literally just talked about has no quarterback. They have
Speaker 1: no quarterback. It's not a warm weather city, like it
Speaker 1: was rumored that he wanted to be a part of.
Speaker 2: Think Pennsylvania's decent taxes too, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very similar, maybe even worse situation than
Speaker 1: the Patriots Tomlin and Rabel. I think Tomlin's got a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a resume as a head coach,
Speaker 1: but certainly not very far off in terms of what
Speaker 1: their reputations are and what they're about as a football coaches.
Speaker 1: That would be a criticism of this offseason to be
Speaker 1: or the biggest. It's not left tackle. I don't know
Speaker 1: really what they were supposed to do there. Like I
Speaker 1: don't didn't like Dan Moore junior Jalen Moore from San
Speaker 1: Francisco four get four years, twelve starts backing up Trent Williams,
Speaker 1: Like that's not a real option. Cam Robinson's still floating,
Speaker 1: so that means that his market is sour in some respects.
Speaker 1: I can't really fault them for not going out there
Speaker 1: and get a left tackle, and I wouldn't necessarily kill
Speaker 1: them for Cooper Cup if they were trying to keep
Speaker 1: the room a little bit younger. But DK Metcalf that
Speaker 1: one I can't wrap my head around. I can't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around why they wouldn't be in on that player.
Speaker 1: And I know Tom Curran had some reporting about the
Speaker 1: fact that they were a little bit worried about you
Speaker 1: know what Deshaun was talking about, that he'd be begging
Speaker 1: for targets and in Drake May's ear and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think all that stuff is maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: overrated from the outside looking in, but I think on
Speaker 1: the inside that that stuff does matter to coaches, to teams,
Speaker 1: and just as two people that have been around this
Speaker 1: team for the for a last couple of years, you know,
Speaker 1: it hasn't always been pretty, and so I can understand
Speaker 1: why they come from that respect. But I would probably
Speaker 1: push back on to Sean a little bit that they
Speaker 1: could be a super Bowl team if they had done
Speaker 1: all of this, they had.
Speaker 2: Signed with literally every player in frequency, I guess, like
Speaker 2: you said, but that's not realistic. I mean they uh
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin, right, Yeah, they offered him like ten million
Speaker 2: more year in the Bucks than they couldn't say right.
Speaker 1: The criticism. The critique to me, if you have any
Speaker 1: of their off season so far as Metcalf, like they
Speaker 1: should have been in on Metcalf and in Metcalf barring
Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf saying I Am not coming to New England
Speaker 1: kind of like Brandon Ayuk did. I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: can't figure out why that player is not a Patriot
Speaker 1: right now. So that that's the one criticism. I would
Speaker 1: not say that they would be a super Bowl team
Speaker 1: just by adding Dk Metcalf. No, maybe better, I mean
Speaker 1: it would certainly be yeah, yeah, absolutely all right.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe at his pro day, by the way, maybe
Speaker 2: a guy that should go top three. Kidding, but completed
Speaker 2: forty five of fifty two passes one man routes well
Speaker 2: against air. He did have one pass broken up. It
Speaker 2: hit the roof of the facility. Should have gone outside
Speaker 2: like Joe Milton went outside, so wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Hit the roof.
Speaker 2: He uncorked that insane throw into the wind. It's a
Speaker 2: great clip. You just hear some guy in the background go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll play well.
Speaker 1: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?
Speaker 2: Going on?
Speaker 10: Guys?
Speaker 1: How are we doing?
Speaker 12: They were doing?
Speaker 13: You know, it's another day. My worry right now is
Speaker 13: that they've put themselves in a pickle or a buine
Speaker 13: with not having a left tackle going into the draft,
Speaker 13: so they're kind of, you know, handcuffing themselves to pick
Speaker 13: him Will Campbell if he's there. That that's my worry
Speaker 13: on that. If Hunter is gone and Abdul Carter are gone,
Speaker 13: that that is my biggest worry that they're going to
Speaker 13: do that, because I really want them to if Hunter
Speaker 13: or Abdul Carter are gone, I really want them to
Speaker 13: pull back out of the pick and just move down,
Speaker 13: still stay in the top ten and maybe draft Tyler Warren.
Speaker 13: But that's just my worry that they've put themselves into
Speaker 13: this and they wanted to get you guys at take
Speaker 13: on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Mark, They have I don't know, back themselves
Speaker 1: into a corner is the right way of putting it.
Speaker 1: They have needs, like, yeah, every team has needs. They
Speaker 1: have some glaring ones. I don't think, you know, we
Speaker 1: were just kicking around trying to kind of come to
Speaker 1: terms of the fact that about their options outside a
Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter, and I don't I think every team's
Speaker 1: thinking the same things about this this draft and I
Speaker 1: one thing that I've kind of pounded the table for
Speaker 1: since I really started to get into the draft is
Speaker 1: this is a fits draft. This this draft is this
Speaker 1: guy fits our culture, this guy fits our vision, this
Speaker 1: guy fits a role for us. Like this is not
Speaker 1: a oh, this guy is just the best darn football
Speaker 1: player at four overall, and we're just gonna take them
Speaker 1: above everything else. I don't feel that this is that
Speaker 1: kind of class. I think that this is one of
Speaker 1: those classes where you are going to have to have
Speaker 1: a vision in place for how this player fits in
Speaker 1: to your program, whether it's position, whether it's culture, whether
Speaker 1: it's all those types of things, because those are gonna
Speaker 1: be the deal breakers. Like it's not gonna be talent,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna grade Will Campbell and Mason Graham and
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan and Tyler Warren and armand member, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna be on a level playing field in terms of
Speaker 1: great based off the tape and by all the you know,
Speaker 1: all the things that get baked into the grade, It's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to who you like the most in
Speaker 1: terms of positional value, in terms of need on the
Speaker 1: football team, in terms of culture. And that's I think
Speaker 1: what's challenging about this draft is because we aren't on
Speaker 1: the inside, and we don't really know how they rank
Speaker 1: these guys in those types of ways. And why I
Speaker 1: keep coming back to Campbell because he's such an intangible guy,
Speaker 1: right His intangibles are through the roof, and so I
Speaker 1: think that that could be a deal breaker. Now to
Speaker 1: Mark's point about trading down, I'll say the same thing
Speaker 1: that I've been saying for three months. Everybody in this
Speaker 1: draft wants to trade down. Everybody wants out of the
Speaker 1: top five. Everyone, even the Tennessee Titans at number one overall,
Speaker 1: would take a trade down if they could, if it
Speaker 1: would materialize. As of right now, and it could change,
Speaker 1: you know, we still got what five six weeks to go.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their original draft pick in the first round,
Speaker 1: which almost never happens. It's unheard of.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever happened in the modern arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody has original pick, and everybody has their
Speaker 1: original pick because there's no eagerness to trade up. There's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing drawing teams to trading up in a
Speaker 1: draft like this. So I don't mean to like labor
Speaker 1: a point, but when it comes to trade downs, we
Speaker 1: all would probably take a trade down. Yeah, if I
Speaker 1: think that's option number one on everybody's Bingo card, unless
Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter, one of those guys miraculously falls to four,
Speaker 1: taking that out of the table. They're not on the
Speaker 1: board at four. What are you doing. We're all picking
Speaker 1: up the phones, right, We're all trying to materialize or
Speaker 1: create a trade that. That's what everybody's doing. But I
Speaker 1: think there could be some a little bit of wonkiness
Speaker 1: in the first round because of this. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be a draft where boards are gonna be widely different.
Speaker 1: Like some teams are gonna have Matthew Golden as the
Speaker 1: top receiver. Some teams are gonna have Ted McMillan. Some
Speaker 1: people are gonna have Tyler Warren as a top tight end.
Speaker 1: Some people might have Colson Lovelin as a top tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if that's more your type though, you know, Avis
Speaker 1: Kelcey versus a Rob Gronkowski, some teams are gonna are
Speaker 1: gonna have a higher grade on Coulson Lovelin. You know,
Speaker 1: some people are gonna really love the tools, guys like
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart and you know, they're gonna might be willing
Speaker 1: to overdraft a player like that, Like I could see
Speaker 1: Jacksonville at five overall that's now one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: percent run by analytics and by nerds, Like they might
Speaker 1: like a guy like Shamar Stewart because he's a athletic
Speaker 1: freak and he checks all of those boxes and I'm
Speaker 1: sure he has great GPS tracking data and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff that they all love. So we'll see. But
Speaker 1: I think this could get a little bit weird because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be who you like. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: type straft, it's a fits draft, it's a flavor draft,
Speaker 1: it's not a talent draft. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how it all shakes out. Uh, Tony is in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: assume what's up, Tony? A?
Speaker 14: What's up?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 3: Alex? Let me just get me out on this all right,
Speaker 3: been saying this for a few drafts now, but uh
Speaker 3: we gotta You might not agree. I'm hoping you do,
Speaker 3: but uh we we gotta to take the pressure off
Speaker 3: of Drake May and to make up the lack for
Speaker 3: our for our offensive line, which is better than last year,
Speaker 3: we gotta go running back at number four. We gotta
Speaker 3: get the best running back at number four, ash Jan Genty.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this because we could take it back
Speaker 3: from all the way to our first Super Bowl. We
Speaker 3: had good, almost great running backs all the way from
Speaker 3: Corey Dylon, uh Antoine Smith, Redmond, Lawrence Maroney, Shane Vereen,
Speaker 3: Steven Ridley, and then the last name was Michelle. But
Speaker 3: but we gotta we gotta take a running back to
Speaker 3: make up for the pressure that we're gonna get. And
Speaker 3: that'll take off a lot of pressure from Drake May
Speaker 3: if we have a run game, and then that'll open
Speaker 3: it up for the young wide receivers and maybe sign
Speaker 3: of veterans.
Speaker 1: Thanks for uh.
Speaker 2: Lauren didn't win a Super Bowl here.
Speaker 1: Maroni did not win a Super Bowl. Also not a
Speaker 1: very good player. So Sony Michelle won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Also not a very good player.
Speaker 2: Maroney had a like sneaky, really good rookie year.
Speaker 1: He just fell off the Yeah, he had a really
Speaker 1: good playoff run and those if you go.
Speaker 2: Back and you look at that, like the numbers aren't
Speaker 2: as bad as we like they're made out to be.
Speaker 2: He just got hurt.
Speaker 1: So Laurence Maroney and Sony Michelle had very similar careers
Speaker 1: they have. They both had good rookie years. They both
Speaker 1: had decent playoff runs. I think that was Maroney's second
Speaker 1: year though, right, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's even his second regular season was solid.
Speaker 1: I think he meant me, not you, when he said
Speaker 1: that you weren't gonna like the running back take. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing with running backs, and there's always the chance.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll give you an example. Your your guy,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is an exception to the rule. I would
Speaker 1: say that there's always a chance that a guy can
Speaker 1: elevate the blocking right, like he's so elusive or he's
Speaker 1: so powerful.
Speaker 2: But Maroney ran for had a better year his second
Speaker 2: year than his first year.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just a little different thing.
Speaker 2: And then he got he got hurt in O eight
Speaker 2: and then he just even in nine. He was solid.
Speaker 2: He ran for eight hundred yards and ten touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Not for a first round pick, not for first round pay.
Speaker 2: He was like a solid play. He gets a little
Speaker 2: too much crap, like people know, people put him in
Speaker 2: terms of a draft pick. People put him in like
Speaker 2: the Nikhil Harry Chad Jackson bust. He's not that kind
Speaker 2: of bust. I'll give you that, Like, he wasn't worth
Speaker 2: the pick, but he was still a solid player.
Speaker 1: He was not a draft bust back to gen d Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the running back call, because that's what he'd called about.
Speaker 2: There here, I am defending Lawrence Moroney.
Speaker 1: Uh that there are a handful, small handful of exceptions
Speaker 1: of guys that truly elevate blocking, that are immune to
Speaker 1: bad situations, but the vast majority of running backs are
Speaker 1: need functional environments.
Speaker 2: For what it's worth, the Boise State offensive line was
Speaker 2: not good. Genty did that in now another story going
Speaker 2: from the Mountain West the NFL. But just to give
Speaker 2: him credit at because a lot of people what was
Speaker 2: Boise State's line? He was probably just running open. No,
Speaker 2: he created a lot of that on his own.
Speaker 1: But the take, my point is not even to crap
Speaker 1: all over the take. Yeah, My point is actually you
Speaker 1: just shouldn't make the take that way, right, So the
Speaker 1: take shouldn't be that gent is gonna come into New
Speaker 1: England and he's gonna make a bad offensive line look good.
Speaker 1: That should not be the take. The takes should be
Speaker 1: that we're gonna build it run first, right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: draft linemen, We're gonna draft Genty and just like the
Speaker 1: Titans with Derrick Henry, we're gonna run the football and
Speaker 1: that Genty, his special sauce is gonna put them over
Speaker 1: the top. Eagles with Saquon Barkley, Lions with Jamir Gibbs,
Speaker 1: right like, it's gonna make it that much better for
Speaker 1: nine ers with the house healthy Christian McCaffrey, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the take. That's the vision Dallas with a young Zeke
Speaker 1: right like that. It's that you're gonna build a line,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna build it run first, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: build it around Genty, and then Genty is gonna take
Speaker 1: a good situation and make it great.
Speaker 2: Right, No, drafting Genty does not somehow diminish the need
Speaker 2: to add to the offensive run. It doesn't more he
Speaker 2: makes it more important. You can go that way if
Speaker 2: you want, but say, well, you know, if you draft
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty instead of adding a tackle, Venerian Low is
Speaker 2: not gonna be that much better because Ashton Genty's back there, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I it's even for me like Genty at
Speaker 2: four is would be incredibly tough to justify.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're one again, it's not saying there isn't
Speaker 1: a rationalization. The rationalization, though, is that then you are
Speaker 1: building through the run game, so your investments are now
Speaker 1: heavily on the arm.
Speaker 2: If you take Genty at four, you gotta trade back up,
Speaker 2: trade thirty eight and seventy seven to get back into
Speaker 2: the first round. Now you're definitely drafting Ariante. Nursery says,
Speaker 2: you're left tackle because he's more of a road grader. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you're you're you should be taking a guard
Speaker 2: at sixty nine like that, That is what that draft
Speaker 2: should look like. You should be a running back followed
Speaker 2: by two or even three offensive lineman in a row
Speaker 2: to fill that thing out. Also about a j R.
Speaker 2: Redmond reference, shout out JR. Redmond, Listen, JR.
Speaker 1: Redmond was a good role player. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: see a role player, if you're gonna start listing off,
Speaker 1: like we need to have Ashton Genty because a j R.
Speaker 1: Redmond and uh Antoine say Hey and Lawrence Maroney and
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and Steven Ridley, that's not the argument you
Speaker 1: want Ashton Genty for because of Corey Dillon.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, yes, Ashton Genty is more he he would
Speaker 2: be better. They don't win thirty six without j R.
Speaker 2: Redmond though that I'm gonna drive and it came up big.
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing jars.
Speaker 2: No, I get you're saying, no, you're not like and
Speaker 2: I'm huge Antoine Smith fan. I really am. I think
Speaker 2: he's one of the underrated Patriots.
Speaker 1: Of all time.
Speaker 2: He was a high level platoon back. Yeah, that's like,
Speaker 2: you don't get at Antoine Smith without Kevin Folk, Right,
Speaker 2: Corey Dillon was the backfield. You're the famous Bill Belcher.
Speaker 2: Are you opposed to a was it a feature back?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Bilt like that, you know, because well Cory Dylan
Speaker 2: ran for you know, fourteen hundred yards that whatever, like
Speaker 2: like where he's just like, well, Corey Dillon's at workhorse.
Speaker 2: You're drafting it. You're not drafting ash and genty to
Speaker 2: be Antoine Smith or Sony Michelle.
Speaker 1: If he's Sony Michelle, with all due respect, that's a
Speaker 1: major problem.
Speaker 2: Well, looks like we were just talking about. He's still
Speaker 2: a solid player, but not for what the pick was. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: you're drafting him to be Corey Dillon at least at
Speaker 2: least maybe Well, apparently Corey Dillon's not a Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: which I don't entirely agree with, but if you're taking
Speaker 2: the running back fourth overall, should be all of yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. All right, Brad is in Ohio. What's up, Brad?
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, real quick, Brat, I gotta throw my cloud
Speaker 2: in there, shout out of my cloud.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh my god, all right, Brad, go ahead.
Speaker 11: Okay, I've just got a couple of docs, guys, and
Speaker 11: you know, see what you'll hush over because you're always
Speaker 11: touching on good points. Evan said something about we need
Speaker 11: to focus on players that are a best fit opposed
Speaker 11: to worrying about anything else about you know, where we're
Speaker 11: drafting and and all that. They need to be a
Speaker 11: fit to our team, especially on offense. So I'm wondering
Speaker 11: if you think we should double dip a tight end.
Speaker 12: And for me, again, the only running back that fits
Speaker 12: our offense is Donovan Edwards. You can put him out
Speaker 12: in the X and you know, let him run down
Speaker 12: the field. He can run routs like a receiver, so
Speaker 12: you can put him in the slot and there's just
Speaker 12: so many things you can do with Donovan and he
Speaker 12: run a four point what a four to four of the.
Speaker 1: We're both Donovan Edwards fans here.
Speaker 12: Yeah, what where do you think he'll even be picked at?
Speaker 12: And do we have it? Do you think we'll have
Speaker 12: a viable option opportunity to get him or And then
Speaker 12: I was thinking off though about the only person I
Speaker 12: would draft at four would be Travis h Oner as
Speaker 12: a receiver, and and Graham only bench press twenty four
Speaker 12: reps and the guy that other Michigan guy only did
Speaker 12: twenty two. What does that m And then that's like
Speaker 12: the ten reps eleven less than what Donald did, Aaron Donald.
Speaker 12: So that's a big difference in strength. I mean, is
Speaker 12: that gonna?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 11: So that's my questions, guys, So thanks.
Speaker 1: Brat, thanks for the call. We're both Donavan Edwards guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good player. I think a ceiling is probably the fourth round.
Speaker 2: Fourth fifth round. I wouldn't say he's the only player
Speaker 2: in this draft that fits that role. He might be
Speaker 2: one of the better options on Day three, but like
Speaker 2: Cam scattabow similar, I wouldn't double up a tight end.
Speaker 2: To the other question too, If you want to get
Speaker 2: one project tight end, that's fine, But you know I've
Speaker 2: been big on this. They need their draft picks to play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they need guys that are gonna make an impact, and
Speaker 2: you already have Hunter and Hooper, so you're gonna get
Speaker 2: two rookie tight ends on the field if they want to,
Speaker 2: like in the seventh round, take like a Gavin Bartholomew
Speaker 2: and that's the double dip whatever. But they should be
Speaker 2: fine in this draft taking one tight end.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love the tight end class. I'm really high
Speaker 1: on it. And when I did my mock draft, I
Speaker 1: was trying to talk myself into taking tight ends, you know,
Speaker 1: third fourth round, and I was just like, but, like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna play, you know, realistically, especially at that
Speaker 1: position where typically it's it's a year one learning curve
Speaker 1: for a lot of tight ends making the jump from
Speaker 1: college to the NFL. There's has to do a lot
Speaker 1: more blocking and a lot more of the details in
Speaker 1: the NFL than they are in college and in receiving.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like they don't throw the tight ends
Speaker 1: in college. Like it's just all of it, Like all
Speaker 1: of it is different, you know, in a higher volume
Speaker 1: than in the college game. So if you envision a
Speaker 1: tight end in this offense and then you think about, okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to earn playing time from two stable
Speaker 1: veteran guys and Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper who already
Speaker 1: have a rapport with the quarterback that have already played
Speaker 1: in this offense before. Like, it's just hard to get there.
Speaker 1: In my mind that that that guy would do it.
Speaker 1: So I took Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame in the
Speaker 1: fifth round of my of my mock a because of
Speaker 1: where he's gonna go, you know, early day three I
Speaker 1: think is a safe bet. And then B because he's
Speaker 1: coming off that a CL like maybe he is a
Speaker 1: couple of years removed from it and he's an even
Speaker 1: better player, you know, in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: So Michell Mitchell Evans, yeah.
Speaker 1: From No. Dame towards a twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was just saying he played last year.
Speaker 1: No, he played last year, but you always have that
Speaker 1: like you're removed from the ACL, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say he played in the National Championship.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 2: No, I like Mitchell lobs and he can block. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be able to get on the field
Speaker 2: because he'd probably be their best blocking title.
Speaker 1: He'd probably be your third blocking tight end, third tight
Speaker 1: end as a rookie. Maybe get him into some goal line.
Speaker 2: That's kind of got stuff. That's kind of guy they
Speaker 2: should be looking for. Yeah, I honestly, if they want
Speaker 2: to double up a tight end Robb Utes, that's that's
Speaker 2: what you're doing. You take a developmental tight end, take
Speaker 2: a Mitchell No, you take like a Mitchell Evans or
Speaker 2: Terrence Ferguson or somebody early on day three, and then
Speaker 2: you take robb you utes later, who's going to be
Speaker 2: kind of a move fall back. But he can line
Speaker 2: up on the line of scrimmage, put his hand in
Speaker 2: the dirt and do all that if you need him
Speaker 2: too as well. That's how I would double up a
Speaker 2: tight end.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we got all these calls coming in.
Speaker 2: Great. If you a rapid rapid fire lightning round.
Speaker 1: Tyler's in Cincinnati. What's up Tyler lightning round?
Speaker 12: Guys.
Speaker 15: I just want to know if you guys had looked
Speaker 15: potentially like late round pick, maybe like Tommy Malott or
Speaker 15: Tommy Malow. He's a quarterback, former wide receiver from like
Speaker 15: Montana State. I was just wondering if you guys looked
Speaker 15: into him and all what your thoughts were for like
Speaker 15: a late round pick.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, I've heard of Tommy Merlow. I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: I mean, no, we're still chasing Edelman and he's an
Speaker 2: option quarterback at it's of success at the FCS level.
Speaker 2: It's played a little bit of wide rect. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be a late day three pick or UDFA and it's him,
Speaker 2: and is it ft Chisholm? Right, Yeah, like that who
Speaker 2: I think was a quarterback before more receiver he is
Speaker 2: a receiver.
Speaker 1: Is at one of the All Star games. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what, Yeah it was, but yeah, I've I saw
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: the Shriner, the Senior Bowl. I feel like he was
Speaker 1: at one of those games. I could be wrong, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know we're chasing Edelman.
Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, And I mean look bring him in
Speaker 2: as the udf A, see what happen. Sure, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not against.
Speaker 1: Those guys are theoretically with McDaniel's back, you know, in
Speaker 1: play Gunner Oshsky, Riley, Mccaeron Braxon, Barrios, Julian Edelman, Like
Speaker 1: those guys are all kind of back in play, right,
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah? Why why are you laughing.
Speaker 2: You know why I'm laughing?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, Chet is in Philly. What's up? Chet?
Speaker 8: Hey?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 10: Guys.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys taking.
Speaker 1: The call, no problem.
Speaker 2: What are you doing good?
Speaker 4: Evan bick Fanny. I follow you on Twitter. You bring
Speaker 4: me a lot of my stuff. What I'll say is,
Speaker 4: first off, like I really appreciate that you guys don't
Speaker 4: do a lot of the gas lighting that we get
Speaker 4: from the regular radio, but you know, to actually talk
Speaker 4: football as much as you know, we're like we're going
Speaker 4: off about the whole mac Hollands thing and all of
Speaker 4: the lack of super high end depth. I'm happy that
Speaker 4: you guys actually realized and talked about already that like
Speaker 4: there's not gonna be a superstar guy that's gonna leave
Speaker 4: their good situation to try to come to this rebuilding team,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna actually have to build from the ground up.
Speaker 4: And now I will also say, like we still have
Speaker 4: a couple pieces that like we can probably take a
Speaker 4: couple of mid round flyers, like you know, all of
Speaker 4: those Trey Harris type guys, those around two round three
Speaker 4: type receivers, those Jaden Higgins guys in round two, round three,
Speaker 4: try to take a flyer on one of those and
Speaker 4: actually hope that, like you know, a couple of these
Speaker 4: young guys developed, like a lot of people aren't really
Speaker 4: talking about them. But when I watched him in the
Speaker 4: preseason last year, the guy that I would have thought
Speaker 4: would have got cut after the preseason, they stowed to
Speaker 4: quick Jackson away last year, and I was a really
Speaker 4: big fan of watching him in the preseason. I was
Speaker 4: the guy that caught the post from Joe Milton in
Speaker 4: the preseason, if you remember him, and they kept him
Speaker 4: around all year despite him being hurt and being like
Speaker 4: a small school prospect. So I'm very intrigued to how
Speaker 4: good he could be and maybe he might be that
Speaker 4: damnfield director. He has that kind of Calvin Ridley, and
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you notice the social media, his
Speaker 4: name is Quae rid He played Division two football from
Speaker 4: California University of PA and his nickname was quite ridd
Speaker 4: because people say he used to move like Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I feel like maybe he could
Speaker 4: be one of those guys that might make a little
Speaker 4: splash as the person that nobody's really thinking about in
Speaker 4: this offense.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the college. I appreciate it, and I appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys following us and everything. I always say the
Speaker 1: same thing about guys like that, like, great if it happens.
Speaker 1: I'm not counting on it by any means, but yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I understand that some people think I give this take,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to carry water and things
Speaker 1: like that, but there's just a long way to go,
Speaker 1: and you and I are big draft guys. To us.
Speaker 1: The draft is a big thing, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: you add a lot of talent if you're good at
Speaker 1: it through the draft. And I understand that people Patriots
Speaker 1: Nation is probably a little bit skeptical about their ability
Speaker 1: to draft, especially outside the first round. You know, Christian
Speaker 1: Gonzales and Drake may were great picks, but they don't
Speaker 1: really have much to show out of those two classes
Speaker 1: outside of those two guys. So I get all of that,
Speaker 1: but I would just say, you know, let's wait until
Speaker 1: we overreact about the lack of weapons until after, you know,
Speaker 1: April twenty sixth, when the draft is over. Because if
Speaker 1: Travis Hunters on this football team, if Ted McMillan's on
Speaker 1: this football team, if Luther Burden's on this football team.
Speaker 1: It's gonna change how we feel about the team. And
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a receiver in the top one hundred.
Speaker 1: I feel confident saying that. I don't know if it'll
Speaker 1: be first round, third round, I don't know where, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a receiver and hopefully they take the
Speaker 1: right one right And I understand that that hasn't gone
Speaker 1: well for them. I totally do, but I just want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to get out over my skis.
Speaker 1: And Week one, you know, free agency, where are the weapons?
Speaker 1: They're neglecting the offense. And then in April, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, Travis Hunter is being presented on
Speaker 1: the field as their first round pick. We're all gonna
Speaker 1: look like morons. So just yeah, let's see what happened.
Speaker 2: Look, we can do you can do it all collectively,
Speaker 2: is what I'll tell people. Why aren't you talking about it, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, it's in process, and we even talked
Speaker 2: about earlier. We don't love that they missed out on
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. If they don't have receivers to If they
Speaker 2: don't have receivers today, they're still not gonna have receivers
Speaker 2: on April twenty seventh. Addressing it on April twenty seventh
Speaker 2: is no different, right, It's it's even more so.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you. I think they'll ad somebody.
Speaker 2: Will it be enough? I don't know. But yeah, well,
Speaker 2: well I'm not gonna fault them for not drafting receivers
Speaker 2: before the draft. I'll talk about DK Metcalf because I
Speaker 2: think that was a missed opportunity, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: go further than that yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we have these two last calls and
Speaker 1: we got to wrap it up, but just really quickly.
Speaker 1: I also have come to terms with the fact I
Speaker 1: guess that they might need proof of concept before they
Speaker 1: draw the DK Metcalf the Chris God And by proof
Speaker 1: of concept, you know, I go back to the Bills.
Speaker 1: I know. I know. Josh Allen, YadA, YadA, YadA, gold
Speaker 1: bye boy. Josh Allen in his second season goes ten
Speaker 1: and six, makes the playoffs. They they don't. I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think they won the playoff game, but they
Speaker 1: were in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Is that the other loss to the Ravens they.
Speaker 1: Lost in the wild card round? I believe, but don't
Speaker 1: quote me on that. The main point is that they're
Speaker 1: ten and six, they have proof of concept. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: turns a corner. He looks like a franchise quarterback. The
Speaker 1: next offseason they traded for Stefan Diggs. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs opted to go to Buffalo, like he said, Yes,
Speaker 1: I will go here because of Josh Allen and because
Speaker 1: of the program that they were already building in the contract.
Speaker 1: So sure, but that, yeah, goes hand in hand with everybody.
Speaker 1: If you build that, if you build it, they will
Speaker 1: come right. Yeah, So if they have a nice season
Speaker 1: next year, doesn't have to be ten and six in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But let's say they're eight and nine.
Speaker 2: I think they might have sneaked in the playoffs for
Speaker 2: what you're talking.
Speaker 1: But let's say they're eight and nine and Drake May
Speaker 1: throws for four thousand yards and looks like an absolute dog.
Speaker 1: It is just a dude, right.
Speaker 2: With this defense, they should not go eight nine. I
Speaker 2: Drake May's thorn.
Speaker 1: For four Okay, But I'm just saying, just play on this, Okay,
Speaker 1: they Drake May has a great second season. Mike Rabel
Speaker 1: is what we think. Mike Rabel is as a head coach.
Speaker 1: They are building there on this upward trajectory. That then
Speaker 1: and maybe then you can draw the big fish at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So it might not be this offseason, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's next offseason. And that's okay. That's the timeline.
Speaker 1: That's the timeline that they're on right now. Ryan is
Speaker 1: in Texas. What's up, Ryan? We got to be quick
Speaker 1: with these calls. What's up?
Speaker 14: Hey, Hey, guys, I'll try to make you quick here.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 14: Would you guys rather see Travis obviously, Travis Carter, Travis
Speaker 14: or Carter at number four if they're available, but would
Speaker 14: you rather see Tet at four in wait for Connolly
Speaker 14: or Erstree potentially trading back up into the first round
Speaker 14: with that third round pick that we have, or are
Speaker 14: you guys taking a tackle at four to kind of
Speaker 14: address the issues that we have on the left side
Speaker 14: of the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks, Ryan, that seems to be the number one question.
Speaker 1: I think we're both in the same camp. We're taking
Speaker 1: Hunter Carter if they're.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, Carter Hunter won two in that order.
Speaker 1: If they're not there, I think the Patriots will take
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. That's what I think they will do. But
Speaker 1: I would probably take a.
Speaker 2: Receiver there still you would take Ted McMillan.
Speaker 1: I probably.
Speaker 2: Well, No, we did this exercise earlier. You said you
Speaker 2: would take Campbell.
Speaker 1: I think they'll take Campbell.
Speaker 2: No, you said you would. We did, said you editor
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 1: Climb all over the place. Now I don't know.
Speaker 2: I said, you're on the clock. We're getting we did
Speaker 2: exact exercise. You're you personally are running the team. You're
Speaker 2: on the clock, Carter, I said, I'm both gone, there's
Speaker 2: no calls, okay.
Speaker 1: And you said Campbell. Okay, all right, you're right. I
Speaker 1: did say Campbell. I'll stick with Campbell.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what.
Speaker 1: I'd rather happen would obviously be to take a Kylie
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and then trade back up into the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if that's not if that's not a scenario, Campbell Campbell, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: he did that exact exercise.
Speaker 2: I'm just making sure you're consistent. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: people changing your opinion.
Speaker 1: Oh, they do it all the time.
Speaker 2: I know. I'm trying to help you out. I'm looking
Speaker 2: out for you.
Speaker 1: Okay. Ben is in Philly. What's up? Ben?
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how are you good?
Speaker 1: How are you doing well.
Speaker 16: I'm just curious on your take. Do you think it
Speaker 16: is possible for the Patriots to develop a wide receiver
Speaker 16: at this point or is a player like Will Campbell
Speaker 16: just more dependable because of their development history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Ben. This was something else
Speaker 1: that we talked about yesterday on PU that is starting
Speaker 1: to like, you know, I don't know if irritates the
Speaker 1: right word, but like I don't, I don't really understand
Speaker 1: what like their failure with Nikhil Harry or Taekwon Thoron
Speaker 1: has anything to do with Mike Rabel. Like, Mike Rabel
Speaker 1: is not here when those things happen. He was not
Speaker 1: the head coach, he was not the the What I
Speaker 1: think is the is the lead football czar in New England.
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, like Mike able to not draft those guys,
Speaker 1: He did not coach those guys, and it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with him.
Speaker 2: Well, Josh McDaniels was here for Nikhil Harry, sure.
Speaker 1: But my point being is just I'm not gonna hold
Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry, Taekwon Thorion, Aaron Dobson, Chad Jackson like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hold Hale pol Bethel Johnson. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hold those guys against Mike Rabel. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'll say this, Todd Downing has never coached receivers before.
Speaker 2: Very experienced offensive coach, but he's never been hands on
Speaker 2: with receivers in that role. We'll see.
Speaker 1: It's variable. I'm I just until they burn me on
Speaker 1: a receiver and it fails.
Speaker 2: No, it's that's absolutely fair. It is a different group,
Speaker 2: but it's not a group. I guess it is, and
Speaker 2: it isn't. Rabel developed a j Brown who was down
Speaker 2: Downing wasn't the OC for that, right?
Speaker 1: That might have been Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2: How was Arthur Smith? Okay, So if Rabel has Downing
Speaker 2: hasn't McDaniels, there's a weird track record there because missed
Speaker 2: on guys like Harry, but also developed Jacoby Myers. So
Speaker 2: the track record for this group, if I'm with you,
Speaker 2: don't don't put it on the old group. This group
Speaker 2: that's in charge is a mixed track record of doing it.
Speaker 2: There's some hits, there's some missus. That's fair, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't think your point's not wrong. But that also
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they can develop.
Speaker 1: A guy if you want to go to Rabel's time
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I know I've got a rap, But if
Speaker 1: you want to go to Rabel's time in Tennessee and
Speaker 1: hold that him accountable for those picks, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think he was forced into trading aj Brown and yes,
Speaker 1: drafting Traylon Burks, but we both at the time were like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing?
Speaker 2: That was the birth of one of our favorite idioms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the mystery box in the boat. Yeah, Traylon Burks was
Speaker 2: not the right pick there, he was not the boat. No,
Speaker 2: So we can hold him accountable for all of that.
Speaker 2: But I also am not going to.
Speaker 1: Hold nik kill Harry against him, Like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say that this regime has an issue with developing receivers.
Speaker 2: But Josh McDaniels was here for kil Harry, I guess,
Speaker 2: but he was also here for Jacobe Myers, like it
Speaker 2: goes it it depends.
Speaker 1: I know, But like I just he was here as
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. We all know who was making the
Speaker 1: calls when he was here, Like, yeah, I mean, he
Speaker 1: wasn't the one making the picks.
Speaker 2: I don't think. My point is you can't say anything
Speaker 2: definitive about this group and it comes to wide receiverses,
Speaker 2: not enough evidence one way or the other.
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