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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us always by our bar. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: What better you have two guys with rocket arms to

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Speaker 2: have a rocket scientist teach them how to go about

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Speaker 2: their their game? Right? So?

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Speaker 1: How long he's been rehearsing that one?

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Speaker 2: I came up with it about ten minutes after they

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Speaker 2: signed him.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to talk about the Cooper cup

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Speaker 1: of it all? Uh cup check if you will?

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Speaker 2: How long? Even holding on a one?

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Speaker 1: I thought about one last night.

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Speaker 2: A rare double cut for the open.

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Speaker 1: A rare time where we both kind of made the

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Speaker 1: same joke, but not exactly. I feel like we don't

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Speaker 1: really have the same sense of humor. I think we

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Speaker 1: we think have very different or attempts at jokes.

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Speaker 2: I told the joke very similar to one you told

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Speaker 2: about a week ago, and you got very annoyed. We

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Speaker 2: don't need to bring that one on the air. But

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Speaker 2: I don't even know about the fast food restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it just wasn't funny anyway, It just

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Speaker 1: wasn't funny. Joke like some of the Josh Allen one

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Speaker 1: is funny. That's funny. Hey, Patriots, fancy if you want

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Speaker 1: Let's go places. Hello everybody, it's Evan Lazar, It's Alex Barth.

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Speaker 1: It's Patriots Catch twenty two. With you for the next

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Speaker 1: couple of hours, talking Patriots off season, free agency. Things

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Speaker 1: still happening last night, Actually something happening with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: that is notable, So we'll get to that here in

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Speaker 1: a second. I'm sure we'll talk plenty of draft and

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Speaker 1: we are at the point of the draft site.

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Speaker 2: Of this draft season.

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Speaker 1: It's it's draft season for everybody now, which is the

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Speaker 1: time where I hand up fully admit that I start

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Speaker 1: to get annoyed because you and I and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this to Graham stand or anything like that, but

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Speaker 1: you and I have on this show have been talking

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Speaker 1: about all these guys since like November or December, maybe

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Speaker 1: January if we wanted, When we really.

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Speaker 2: Started to get in August for me.

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Speaker 1: But we've been talking about these guys for a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so at this point it definitely feels like we

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Speaker 1: of our opinions on this draft. This is sort of

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Speaker 1: what we would do at this draft if we were

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Speaker 1: where everybody just gets a little bit riled up because

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Speaker 1: no one's gonna get moved at this point. Like you,

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Speaker 1: all the data is in.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has their guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the combines over the film is in there.

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Speaker 1: You have your guys. I have my guys. So we'll

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Speaker 1: I want to start with Garrett Bradbury reported signing by

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Speaker 1: the Patriots of the former Vikings Center, And last night

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Speaker 1: I tweeted some things about this signing. I can't really

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Speaker 1: but just in general, I can't get that hot and

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Speaker 1: bothered by basically a one year guarantee on a stopgap center,

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Speaker 1: which is what this is. And with Bradbury, I think

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Speaker 1: it's also philosophically just what I like in centers and

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Speaker 1: So as much as I want to say be fair

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Speaker 1: Bradbury signing. I think that this fits the mold of

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Speaker 1: tell you that he's this high end all Pro caliber center.

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely not. But he's an NFL player and that's good.

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Speaker 2: Sure, i'd push back on some of that. I think

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Speaker 2: in the context of where this team is is at,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't call pass detection ability a bonus, and I

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Speaker 2: At the same time, he is experienced, smart, veteran. It's

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Speaker 2: think it should be an open competition going into camp him,

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Speaker 2: draft somebody. I'm not taking center out. I don't feel

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Speaker 2: I can think of three guys right away, off the

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Speaker 2: Jared Wilson from Georgia, Jake Majors from Texas, and then

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Speaker 2: have Brad Berry or Ben Brown? Is this bridge?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to draft those guys on day two?

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Speaker 2: Maybe, Wilson, I think maybe maybe, Also maybe he's right

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think all those guys are if

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Speaker 2: I would like them. I would like them to still

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Speaker 2: like them to make a somewhat significant investment at center

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Speaker 2: in this draft, especially because you know Bradbury last year

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Speaker 2: was a doubt. He last year was the worst year

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Speaker 2: accepted penalties, called like, He's not a long term answer.

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Speaker 2: He's a contender to be the bridge, as is Ben

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Speaker 2: Brown as his col strange. I think that's a good,

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Speaker 2: that that's an option. So I get why they made

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Speaker 2: the signing. I don't think it's a good or bad signing.

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Speaker 2: It's I'm just I'm not really moved by it. Like

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Speaker 2: I guess it's good in the sense that you're adding

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Speaker 2: always healthy. Ninety players is a lot. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that he's like taking up a roster spot, right. You're

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Speaker 2: After that, we'll see what happens. That's kind of where

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Speaker 2: I'm at with it. I don't I don't know ready

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Speaker 2: that I'm I don't know that I'm ready to lock

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Speaker 2: going to be an open competition. I don't there should

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Speaker 2: be an open competition.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree that every position is an open competition

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking in the coach speak. Term of everybody's

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Speaker 1: I would find it really hard to believe that he's

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Speaker 1: Like Ben Brown was kicking around practice squads, Cole Strange

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Speaker 2: Be Brown cold Strange. I have no idea what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen with col Strange.

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Speaker 1: I don't will you that col Strange is playing guard

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Speaker 2: Or he's just they don't they don't plan on him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I assume that he's going to

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Speaker 2: He'll compete at both. He gives them some flexibility because

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Speaker 2: I don't know he's a fit as guard in what

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Speaker 2: McDaniels wants to do either. But is Ben Brown that

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Speaker 2: different of a player from Garret Bradbury last year?

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Speaker 1: Different? Yeah? Last year, Yeah, significantly different, Like like Garrett

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Speaker 1: Bradbury is still a really good run blocking center, Like

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Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury is a really good athlete. Obviously, he's got

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Speaker 1: way more experience than Ben Brown, like Ben Brown was

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Speaker 1: a nice experience difference Bren Brown. Was I a nice find.

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Speaker 1: I guess is what I would you know, like you

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Speaker 1: you poached him off a practice squad and he came

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Speaker 1: in for a month or so and played a respectable

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Speaker 2: But it started twelve thirteen games a month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just said a month or so, like

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Speaker 1: it started to give away for him towards the end

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Speaker 1: of what he you know, when he was playing in there.

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Speaker 1: This is in my opinion, and this is no disrespect

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Speaker 1: to Ben Brown. It's more out of respect for Garrett Bradbury.

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Speaker 1: I kind of find a little like almost disrespectful to

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Speaker 1: bet to Bradbury to say that he's in the same category.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said last year, not for his career.

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Speaker 2: I look at a guy that at Ben Brown's what

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Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty six, just played his first full he's

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Speaker 2: be thirty years old and is coming off his worst season,

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Speaker 2: like you know it's passing ships.

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Speaker 1: I just think that he's I think this is who

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Speaker 1: Bradbury has been his entire career. So I guess, like

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Speaker 1: worst season, Yeah, I guess maybe by like the metrics

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that you like that. I don't

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Speaker 1: I just don't envision a long way they're going to

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Speaker 2: If he takes another step back this year, the door

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Speaker 1: Because I just think he was consistent last year with

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's other guys that that can We'll see.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, Like they're not going to get a better

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Speaker 1: I like McLaughlin, well so McLaughlin. I know I like

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Speaker 2: This is a guy with either just real quick, a

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Speaker 2: guy the really impressive resume. Four year player at Alabama,

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Speaker 2: offensive line. People rave about his leadership is intelligence, like

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Speaker 2: he is talent wise the best center in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. I like that idea. I like that idea because

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Speaker 2: Might be a little because it was a torn achilles

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Speaker 2: I would be that's ultimately what they do, assuming that

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Speaker 1: I think it all comes back to kind of bring

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Speaker 1: so we're in agreement on that. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: Right side's fine. I'm not worried at all about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if and it's a big if, but if

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Speaker 2: If Bradbury's your worst offensive lineman, you're in pretty good shape.

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Speaker 1: If he's your second rumble, I agree. But I would

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Speaker 2: I think you're overrating the position thing a little bit

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Speaker 1: But it's situational, like you can't. Yeah, they can hunt

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Speaker 1: him on third down. They could hunt him in their

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Minnesota didn't have that. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so City So's a massive city.

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Speaker 1: This kind of feels like a little bit all off season,

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Speaker 1: His best trait, though, is absolutely his range and his

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Speaker 1: and has always done, which is, you know, run downhill

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Speaker 2: So I could see him adding somebody too in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see somebody another you know, Dart thrown

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Speaker 1: You know there's some guys like that too. Jalen Rivers

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Speaker 2: one hundred, but a guy like Carson Vincent or Clay

437
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Speaker 2: Webb who also has some some center guard flexibility, yeah,

438
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 2: would would make sense.

439
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would also just say, from my perspective,

440
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 1: you should be able to get a left guard out

441
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 1: of those three guys, like if you have the right

442
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: coaching and you have you have the right coaching, like

443
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 1: if Doug Moron is doing his job well and if

444
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels is doing his job, those three guys are

445
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 1: talented enough that they should be able to find a

446
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: starting guard as.

447
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 2: I unless stylistically the guy they want, they don't fit

448
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 2: what they want, right, But I kind of talked.

449
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: About that City so should like maybe, yeah, Leyden Robinson's

450
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: a powerful player. He's not as big as City Show, right,

451
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: but he's He's a guy that I would say wins

452
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: with power, you know, like that he that is so

453
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 1: of his game is power oriented. But I'm with you.

454
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 1: I I think that they're type wise, Like col Strange

455
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: is probably not their type.

456
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be more in the mix

457
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: at center than guard.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I genuinely feel that way that they

459
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: if they have the right coaching, if they're in the

460
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: right scheme, that you invested three top twenty picks, you know,

461
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: just to be precise in three different guards, like yeah,

462
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: Robinson and so are high fourth round picks. Cole Strange

463
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: was obviously a first round pick. If you can't get

464
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: one starting guard out of those three guys, I think

465
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: that that that's uh, that's not good. You should you

466
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: should be able to pull that out. So that brings

467
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Speaker 1: us to left tackle in this offensive line reset, which

468
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Speaker 1: I'm also going to write about so you can hear

469
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Speaker 1: this exact take again on Patriots dot Com tomorrow if

470
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: you want. But uh, left tackle glaring obvious, glaring hole

471
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: on that side of the of the ball. Like you

472
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Speaker 1: can talk yourself into those three guards emerging with one

473
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: starter at left guard? Yeah, I can't really talk of

474
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: myself into the left tackle being on the roster currently.

475
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: Who even is Like if there were to be a

476
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: competition right and who I guess Kidd and Wallace trying

477
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: to play the left side again, Like it's not even

478
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: a competition there right, Not that there's any practices right now,

479
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, you can't even say it's a competition there

480
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: right now, because there's what it can be. Yeah. That

481
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: being said, I don't fault them entirely for passing on

482
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: Dan Moore junior at twenty million dollars a year. I

483
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: think that one, I can understand. I he's he was

484
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: not good last year either, gave up the most sacks

485
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: in the league at that position. I get that one,

486
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that that's not a cop out

487
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: like this still used to make a big investment at

488
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: left town. Cam Robinson still out there. So Cam Robinson

489
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: still out there. Something tells me that Cam Robinson still

490
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: being out there is not a good sign for Cam Robinson.

491
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's you know, there are some

492
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: rumors out there. None of it's confirmed, so I don't

493
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: want to just throw things out there. But with Cam Robinson,

494
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: but he's still a free agent as a guy that

495
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: was considered one of the top free agents at that position,

496
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: which is a very important position, right so the fact

497
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: that he's still floating out there means his market has

498
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: not materialized the way that he expected. I would say

499
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: the other one that I would just mention at left

500
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: tackle and free agency that's still out there is probably

501
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: ring chasing right now. But Tyron Smith is still out there.

502
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: And Tyron Smith, at thirty three years old, played a

503
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: respectable left tackle for the Jets last year. He was solid,

504
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: he wasn't great. It was kind of like Work and

505
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: Moses like those two guys were decent right at their spots. Again,

506
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: it's another stop gap, it's another band aid on the issue.

507
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't hate Tyron Smith with a highly drafted

508
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: left tackle. You know, maybe you don't have to go

509
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: left tackle at four. Maybe you go trade back up

510
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: into the first round or take one at thirty eight,

511
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. But Cam Robinson and

512
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith are those two options to me and to everybody.

513
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Speaker 1: I feel like, if you want to do that route,

514
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be pigeonholed in to tackle

515
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: at four, and you want to take a tackle at

516
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: thirty eight or at the late first round in the

517
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: trade up, then those are your two options to kind

518
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: of bridge the gap.

519
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Is Tyron Smith realistically coming here though?

520
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: No, right the only way that Tyron Smith's coming here

521
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: is if he has very little market and the Patriots

522
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: are willing to overpay.

523
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Speaker 2: Well, He's also a guy I could see waiting into,

524
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, the summer to sign so he doesn't have

525
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: to go through spring practices. Patriots kind of need a

526
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: guy with them working with Drake May, working with his

527
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: coaching staff from the beginning, not that Tyron Smith needs

528
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: to work, but yeah, I just I don't know that. Look,

529
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: he's better than nothing, but I don't know that he

530
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense. I don't know how realistic

531
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: it is. I don't know that he makes the most sense.

532
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: So then the other the draft talk or the draft

533
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: draft conversation at tackle is it kind of comes down

534
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: to three things for me and maybe you have a

535
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, a fourth thing. But I don't want to

536
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: take the chance on Will Campbell, right, like Bank on

537
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: the film with Will Campbell, that.

538
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: It has to be in the conversation if we're just

539
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: talking about what the team might do and we're trying

540
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: to have a realistic conversation about the Patriots draft strategy,

541
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Speaker 2: Will Campbell at four or six, if you trade down

542
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: whatever you're not getting past six as a left tackle

543
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: has to be in the con We can't ignore it.

544
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: It's not something you can ignore.

545
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: So Bank on the fact that Will Campbell can make

546
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Speaker 1: it work with the arms, yep, flip armand membo to

547
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: left tackle yeh, or target the next wave Josh Simmons,

548
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: Josh Connery, Arianti Erserie either at thirty eight oh one

549
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: of those guys falls a little bit, or go up

550
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: and get them in the back half of the first round.

551
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Speaker 1: Out of those three options, where do you stand on

552
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: March nineteen.

553
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: What do I think they're gonna do? I think it's

554
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Speaker 2: gonna be Campbell.

555
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you where does Alex Barth stand?

556
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: I would probably get a gro and try to move

557
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: up into the twenties and ursery. Who is the third

558
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: guys Banks? Right?

559
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, well so Banks is interesting?

560
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: Who is the third guy in your second tier?

561
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: Connor Simmons.

562
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm out on Simmons. I've said that I'm out on Simmons.

563
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: I'd rather Versary than connorly, but you know, I would

564
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: take either. I just think that's the most proudent course

565
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 2: of action. You got to be able to move up,

566
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: and I don't think you're getting either of those guys

567
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: at thirty eight because we saw this last year. There

568
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: is such a shortage at the tackle position. Teams are desperate,

569
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: Teams are going to be aggressive, aggressive to try to

570
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: fill that hole. Guys are gonna go significantly earlier. Once

571
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: once Kelvin Banks goes right, whether it be at eight,

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: at ten, at twelve, that's essentially a starting gun. The

573
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 2: race is on, and because after the three guys you named,

574
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: and to me, Simmons is a good player, but he's

575
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: not an option for the Patriots. Like there's there's a significant,

576
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: significant drop off to the next group. So you have

577
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: three shots and in the Patriots case, in some other

578
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: team's cases, two shots to get your guy starting it.

579
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: If I'm being realistic, Banks probably isn't going any lower

580
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: than fifteen sixteen, that's right. I left them, So yeah, no,

581
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: and you were right to do that so well. The

582
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: other option would be do you trade down to like ten,

583
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: try to get a haul and take Banks there. That

584
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: would be a fourth option. But to me, you're racing

585
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: up from thirty eight to try to get one of

586
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: those guys, and it's probably gonna be expensive, and you're

587
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: really gonna have to push to do it. They knew

588
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: last year they needed to do it, and they didn't.

589
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: They tried last year for both a tackle and a

590
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: receiver to do this, and they failed in doing so.

591
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: I said this on the show last night, and I

592
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: think I'm going to start giving this take stronger and

593
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: stronger as we go on, pending any changes to the roster.

594
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: Tell me if you agree, Ev and they should not

595
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: be picking at thirty eight. I don't think that if

596
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: they pick at thirty eight they didn't have the best

597
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: possible draft. You have two thirds, you have the flexibility

598
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: to move up. Option Number one for me at tackle

599
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: is getting up to where you need to get up to,

600
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: which is probably the high mid twenties. And if you package,

601
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: even if you want to do the lower third, the

602
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: Jude on third, thirty eight and seventy seven historically gets

603
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: you to like twenty three, twenty four, and you should

604
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: You might not get your choice, but you should be

605
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: able to get one of Ursery and Connery there maybe

606
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: you do get your choice. That's the move to me.

607
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: After that, I take the shot on Will Campbell. I

608
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: know people think I overreact to the right side to

609
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: left side thing, but and yes, if you want to

610
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: pull out a handful of examples where it's worked, you

611
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: can do that. The vast majority of the time it

612
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: hasn't worked. You can say the same thing about Will

613
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Campbell's arm length too, because I know people will come

614
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: back at me at that. If I were to rank these,

615
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: it's one, two three, and for people listening, my arms

616
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: like all the way up on one and two three

617
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: were two very little little motions. So yes, either way

618
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: you're asking for an outlier, whether it's Campbell or whether

619
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: it's moving Membo. And by the way, was not exactly

620
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: the prototype left tackle either. He has the arm length,

621
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: but he's shorter, yeah, and he's not as wide as

622
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: he usually looked forward to position three hundred and thirty

623
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: two pounds, but it's he's built like a guard. He's

624
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: built kind of like Kelvin Banks. So either way, two

625
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: or three are looking for an outlier. To me, trust

626
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: the coaching staff to either coach up Ursery or coach

627
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: up Connory, and just looking at their preferences and their

628
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: trends and the way they've gone. If I had to guess,

629
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: Ursery's probably hired and Connory on their board.

630
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I put out a mock draft yesterday or

631
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: the day before, and I took Campbell at four overall.

632
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: Again, if we're playing the prediction game, that's what I think, right.

633
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: And everybody came at me and was like, you said,

634
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: you were out on Campbell, You're flip flopping, And my

635
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: take on Campbell has not flip flapped one bit. I

636
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: feel the same way that I did I personally would

637
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: not take Will Campbell at four because of the risk

638
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: with the arm length. I genuinely feel like with Will

639
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: Campbell you have to be careful there. With four overall,

640
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: you want to pick that you feel really good about.

641
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: With that being said, in a draft like this, it's

642
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: easier said than done to just do that because if

643
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter are not there, then now

644
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about a group of players that all have

645
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: question marks right now. They all have certain things about

646
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: them that we don't love. I saw Daniel Jeremiah tweeted

647
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: this out yesterday. If the Patriots or any team or

648
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: to draft Ted McMillan inside the top fifteen, he would

649
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: be the first four or five plus receiver to go

650
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: that high since Mike Evans. It's over ten years, so

651
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Mike Evans was drafted in twenty fourteen. So you're basically

652
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: banking on the fact that he's going to be Mike Evans,

653
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: right like he's going to be that he's an outlier. Yeah,

654
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: drafting a four or five to five receiver at four

655
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: overall is an outlier, right, Whether you are in love

656
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: with the forty or not, it makes him an outlier. Ye,

657
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: Mason Graham is small, He's two hundred and ninety five pounds.

658
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: That makes him an outlier.

659
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: Well, not just that, the last defensive tackle to go

660
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: in the top five was Quinn Williams in two thousand

661
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: and nine. The last one before that was Marcel Darius

662
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. Right, So that's another one where and

663
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: how both good players? How much of those guys contribute

664
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: to their teams winning? Right?

665
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: So Ted McMillan's has the speed concerns that would make

666
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: him an outlier. Will Campbell has arm length concerns that

667
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: would make him an outlier. Mason Graham. It's a combination,

668
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I would say, of size and position. Yep ash and

669
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Gent's a running back. Tyler Warren is a tight end.

670
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Who's last tight end? And one top five those I

671
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: don't even think it's Pits Right, didn't Pitts go six?

672
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: Those positions are typically not viewed as great positional value

673
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft. So what I'm getting

674
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: at is is that it's easy to just sit here

675
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: and say I'm out on Will Campbell, which maybe I

676
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit strong with after the combine. Pitts

677
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: went for more than I should have been, but it's

678
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: easy to say that when then you start to look

679
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: at and survey.

680
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 2: The lank Right, So who were you in on? Well,

681
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, no, No, that's my point. Like, if

682
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: you're out on Will Campbell, Okay, well who are you

683
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: in right?

684
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: So if it were me and I was picking, I

685
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: would personally I like the scenario of trading back up

686
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: into the back end of the first round. Now, I

687
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: just looked it up last last season. I think this

688
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: is kind of relevant. Marius Mims started another run of

689
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: O line at eighteen, right, he got drafted at eighteen

690
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: by the Bengals. Tyler Geiton went in the twenties to Dallas.

691
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: So I would say that Connorly and Ursery potentially and

692
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: then maybe Simmons if teams feel good about their his medicals,

693
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: the twenties to early thirties is probably where those three

694
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: guys are going in that sort of range. So the

695
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna have to be aggressive. They're gonna have

696
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: to trade back up, potentially all the way back up

697
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: into the first round. Do you like Ursery? I personally

698
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: like Connorly a little bit more. I just think he's

699
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: a higher level pass protector, and that's what I would

700
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: want at that spot. Ursery is a maler.

701
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: I like Connor I Thinksery is there.

702
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I would say he would be their type at right tackle.

703
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I think at left tackle they have typically had better

704
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: athletes and guys that pass protected. A little bit of

705
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a higher level erser worries me just I think in

706
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: terms of foot speed and just nimbleness at that position.

707
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: He has some of those concerns a little bit like

708
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, where like, he's just a bigger dude right

709
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: so it's a lot of weight to move when he

710
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: has to move back and forth and side to side

711
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: and change directions and get out to speed rushers and

712
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: get underneath them and leverage blocks and get his hands

713
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: on people that are twitched up rushers like that, He's

714
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: always gonna just be kind of a bigger guy, and

715
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: I feel like he moves a little bit like that.

716
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Connorly is the total opposite. Connorly doesn't have his play strength,

717
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: but is a much more nimble pass protector and much

718
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: lighter on his feet. So if I had to rank

719
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: the options, I would personally try to target one of

720
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: those guys at the back end of the first round,

721
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: early second. That would be number one for me.

722
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, last tight end and go

723
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: top five before Kyle Pits.

724
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy two, Riley Odoms to the Broncos.

726
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: Jess.

727
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: A couple guys went six overall, but that's a significant,

728
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: significant outlier. It was Vernon Davis and somebody else went

729
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: six overall. Kellen Winslow.

730
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: Then I'm going Will Campbell, and I want to finish this.

731
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Will Campbell take care in a second, and then I

732
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: would go Membo like that would be my order with

733
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. The thing that I mocked him to the

734
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Patriots in my last mock draft. Like I said, what

735
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to with Will Campbell is that

736
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: I cannot fathom that Mike Rabel is going to get

737
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: into a room with Will Campbell and sit down and

738
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: talk to this guy and have him here and host

739
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: him here on a thirty visit and talk to Will

740
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Campbell and not fall in love. He is a Mike

741
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: Rabel football player.

742
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Every go look up any quote of him talking at

743
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: any point. That is leadership, accountability, all the ENTI.

744
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: High high football character. He's gonna be captain year two,

745
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: right and I just with this regime, culture is a

746
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: big word. It seems like a lot of their moves

747
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: so far in free agency has been about establishing a

748
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: culture here in New England. And I just can't imagine

749
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: that the culture guy an offensive lineman that has that

750
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: kind of intangible qualities like Will Campbell. I just can't

751
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: imagine that Rabel is going to look at that and

752
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: say his arms are a little too short. So I'm asking, right,

753
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: I just can't see that. So would it be the

754
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: smartest pick in the world. Would it be a risk? Yeah,

755
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: it would be a risk. But just trying to project

756
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: what they might do now, I just think Will Campbell

757
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: is definitely on their radar.

758
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm with you what it's going to come down to.

759
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: If Travis Hunter's off the board, I think it's clearly

760
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: prediction wise, I think it's clearly Campbell.

761
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

762
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: The only thing is would they pass on Travis Hunter?

763
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Because Rabel also talked about how hard it is to

764
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: get a wide receiver and the importance of drafting at

765
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: that position, And you know, I could there an argument

766
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: to be had there based on what we've seen of

767
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: their philosophies. Now, using my own philosophies using their philosophies.

768
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: There's a real debate between Travis Hunter, assuming they fume

769
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver, which we both think they do,

770
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: especially out the sign in Carlon Davis and uh Will Campbell.

771
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: But if Hunter's not there, how's that not the guy?

772
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

773
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: How is that not their guy? He's made in a

774
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: lab to play for Mike Rabel Hunt. We've known that

775
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: since September.

776
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I can't imagine that they would

777
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: pass on Travis Hunter. Like we've had some opportunities to

778
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: talk to Elliott Wolfe and uh, I know there's some reporting.

779
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I think mass Live has been has reporting on on

780
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. Yeah, more source type of stuff. And every

781
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: time that I've had the opportunity, you know when I

782
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: say every time, the one time at the table that

783
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: we at the combine, I mean the guy was we

784
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: had two different scouting reports about this guy, like you know,

785
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: we wrote up one receiver, one corner. I understand to

786
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: an extent that it's probably just a fascinating player from

787
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: a lifetime of you know, scouting, that you get to

788
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: scout a guy that plays both ways at such a

789
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: high level. That's probably just fascinating for a true scout

790
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: scout like Elliott Wolf. But at the same time, I

791
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: can't imagine that they are saying these things about Travis

792
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: Hunter publicly and privately and then they're just gonna pass

793
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: on Travis Hunter if he's there at four. I don't

794
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: think that's necessarily in play. But I'm with you. I

795
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: think it's Campbell. If it's not the other sort of

796
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: tie in, then we'll get to all these calls and emails.

797
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: Can we call it like forty Gate, because like Ted

798
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: McMillan's forty I have heard every's range from four four

799
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: eight to four six. Well, for his forty yard dash

800
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: is private workout. It wasn't even a pro day. He's

801
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: not participating in the big twelve Pro day. He just

802
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: did a private workout for teams.

803
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: The majority of the reports, there's only one report that's

804
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: under four five. The majority of the reports are in

805
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: the I went back and I looked at everything and

806
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: I like averaged it out. The majority of the reports

807
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: are in the mid four fives, like four five three

808
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: to four five five is seemingly the number, which is

809
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: also pretty much what it looks like on tape. I'll Yeah,

810
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: he four to six would be slow even for him,

811
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Like that would be pretty eye opening. If he ran

812
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: a four to six had a private workout, he would

813
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: have never let that number get out there. Let's be honest. Yeah,

814
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: so I'm i'm I think it's I'm open. I'm willing

815
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: to call it like a four five, three, four, five

816
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: five somewhere in there.

817
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: So he looks to me like a low four fives guy. Yeah,

818
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: like four or five three feels right. That feels four

819
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: or five to five on the high end of the range.

820
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Maybe if he's a little bit slower than the eye.

821
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: I also wonder if he ran too like because most

822
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: people run to you run two with the combine, and

823
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: if people haven't been differentiating.

824
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: So I think that there was some reporting that he

825
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: only ran once, so he must have thought it run twice.

826
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: He must have thought it was a decent enough I guess,

827
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: so run once. So the number that I was looking

828
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: for him to put up just to really be like, okay,

829
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I need to reevaluate this. Michael Pittman Junior ran a

830
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: four or five to two. Yeah, So we talk about

831
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, like ceiling floor, mid, mid, middle, mean, whatever

832
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: you want to call it in terms of prospects, I

833
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: think with Ted, the floor comp to me is Michael

834
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Pittman junior with the Colts, who is pretty good floor.

835
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: He Yeah, it's a good floor. But he's a ninety

836
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: catch a thousand yard guy. Right, it's gonna be like

837
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: eleven yards per catch. Right, that's what he's gonna do.

838
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: He's in a big frame, but he's really a possession receiver.

839
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: He is a first and second level guy, and he

840
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: gets open at the top of the route and that's

841
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: about it, right, slants in, cuts, stop routes on the outside,

842
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: back shoulders in the occasional throw it up and let

843
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: him go get it down the field. That that's Michael

844
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: Pittman Jr. The middle is Drake London, and I think

845
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Drake London brings what I see with Ted on film

846
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. Is that burst after the catch, Right,

847
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit more explo honess with the ball.

848
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: That's why I like, did you see that? Did anybody

849
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: give a ten yard split?

850
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: No?

851
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: I was really curious because I bet his ten yard

852
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: split was pretty good.

853
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.

854
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: I was curiously what his ten yard split was because

855
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: of that that burst.

856
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has an ability, and I know some of

857
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: the analytics, like some of the player tracking will back

858
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: this up. Like when he catches the ball, he finds

859
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: another gear.

860
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: He's the most underrated part of his game is how

861
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: good he is after the catch.

862
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good at it. And he's really a

863
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: really great stop on a dime change in direction to

864
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: just kind of slip out of a tackle real quick

865
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: and turn up the field. He has that really good ability.

866
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: He reverses field pretty well, you know, and he'll just

867
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: he'll run around, he'll get open on an incut and

868
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: the defender will kind of come crashing in to try

869
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: to break up the pass, and he can stop on

870
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: a dime and come right back up the field and

871
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: create after the catch. He's really good at that. But

872
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at with Ted is that you just

873
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: need to know what you're drafting, right like and then

874
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: the high floor I guess I didn't mention, you know,

875
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: obviously be like somebody like t Higgins, right. Yeah. He

876
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: also he ran a four five three. I don't know

877
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: if he ran at the combine. I think that's like

878
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: an unofficial pro DAI remember, But needless to say, the

879
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: point being, you have to understand what you're getting with

880
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Tep McMillan. You're not getting a field stretcher. You're not

881
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: getting a vertical threat. I don't think that he really

882
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: especially playing on the outside. I don't think that he

883
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: threatens vertically from the outside. He doesn't run by people,

884
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: especially on the outside against press coverage. But you're getting

885
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: a good first and second level receiver, and I do

886
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: think that he will stretch the field a little bit

887
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: for you in the slot. If you put him in

888
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: the big slot type of role and have him run

889
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: seams and things like that, I think that's where he

890
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: can be effective down the field because then you get

891
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: him on matchups with linebackers and safeties and stuff like that,

892
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: and he can win those foot races. So if you

893
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: understand the type of player that you're getting, and you're

894
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: creative enough to understand the type of player that you're getting,

895
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: then Ted McMillan has a nice floor projection. To me, like,

896
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't see a path where he's a total bright.

897
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: That's why I use Pittman. I appreciate everybody who sent in.

898
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: We did that exercise last week. What's the komfafee busted?

899
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of good uhlies.

900
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't see him being like this monumental bust of

901
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: a receiver because I think he's got great body control

902
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: and route running and hands, which is a really good

903
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: baseline level of trade yacability. Right. So, uh, Ted McMillan,

904
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: My opinion on him hasn't changed. I still feel the

905
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: same way. I still think it's a little rich at four.

906
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I probably would only entertain it at four though, the

907
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: only reason why I'd entertained it at four is because

908
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: he's a receiver. Yeah, And Mike Rabele gave that quote

909
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: at the Combine that it's hard to find receivers of

910
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: that caliber and most of the time you have to

911
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: draft those guys. So is there a scenario where they

912
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: just say we need playmaking on offense. He's not perfect,

913
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: but he's a playmaker. Yeah, we're draft in Ted.

914
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: And to anybody, so we'll trade down and do it.

915
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: Maybe the trade's not there right right, or you can't

916
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: trade you know, really, So I'm gonna ask you two

917
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: questions about this. Yeah, well one question and then one

918
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: series of questions. Is Ted McMillan slow, Yes, I disagree.

919
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's fast. Well, he has functional speed.

920
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: That's the most semantics are.

921
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: He has functional speed. No, it's not No, it's not

922
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: the same. He's not slow. For the who do you

923
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: remember the guy from It was David Bell right from Purdue.

924
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: He was a couple of years ago. Whoe everybody was

925
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: all hot and bothered by he was like a top

926
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: one hundred pick and then he ran like a four

927
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 2: to seven. That guy slow. Teed McMillan has functional speed.

928
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: He's not fast, but he's not slow. He has functional speed.

929
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Here's the other party, who's your wide receiver?

930
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: Two?

931
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: Right now? Is at Golden or is it?

932
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm still on still like Luther Burden. I know the

933
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: league doesn't.

934
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: But which gap is bigger? And this is Travis Hunter

935
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: being his own thing, right, which gap or actually this

936
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: is the three? Is Travis Hunter is a receiver to

937
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: tet versus TET to Burden? Which gap is bigger?

938
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good conversation. And I also would say

939
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: add the tackles in there too, write like it's a

940
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: bigger gap like Will Campbell and armand Membo.

941
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: Josh to a receiver just a receiver.

942
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Uh, I would say that there's probably a bigger gap

943
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: between Tet and Luther Burden.

944
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Then yeah, okay, so let's go. Let's say Hunter's off

945
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: the board, right, Tet to Burden or Burden to Golden

946
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: Orbuka I have, I have.

947
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: Burden, Abuca, and Golden all in the same tier. Okay,

948
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: so I view those guys as pretty equal players. I

949
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: think all three of those guys, and I think Luther

950
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Burden's getting hurt by last season and some of the

951
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: antics last season for teams. I'm sure that there's questions

952
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: about that, But to me, those guys all belong in

953
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: the twenties of a draft, like they all there right,

954
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: wears A Flowers and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Jordan

955
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Addison and Quinn Johnson were.

956
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: So I guess this, this is kind of what I

957
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: was leading to. Let's say, so Hunter, you're uncomfortable at four,

958
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: but you acknowledge maybe you need a receiver. The trades,

959
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm definitely taking McMillan. Sorry, McMillan, Yeah, yeah, sorry, Yes,

960
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: I take Hunter for McMillan.

961
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: Maybe the trade's not there to get down to like

963
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: six or seven where you want him. You can trade

964
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: down to like fifteen, and let's say a future first,

965
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: right and get or maybe you don't because obviously, if

966
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: you can get the future first, you're taking the future first.

967
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: You trade down to like fifteen somewhere to teens knowing

968
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: you want to take a receiver and you take burden.

969
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you.

970
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: Rather and you're maybe overdrafting burden a little bit, but

971
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: now you've gotten this hall, would you rather do that?

972
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather do that. Okay, maybe it wouldn't be

973
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: burdened just because they feel they don't.

974
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: Or Golden or whoever, right, Like, to me, Golden is

975
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: the second best wide receiver, especially like if we're talking

976
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: specifically for the Patriots, and if Josh McDaniel's gonna run

977
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: the offense, we think he's gonna run to me. Matthew

978
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Golden's wide receiver too, And the gap between McMillan and

979
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: Golden is not as big in that regard as maybe

980
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: some people would make it.

981
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that agree

982
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: with you in the league on that. Like, I think

983
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be teams that have Matthew Golden as the

984
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: number one receiver in this class, especially teams that prioritize

985
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: speed obviously over some of the other things with Matthew

986
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: Golden or with Luther Burden. Actually, I just feel like

987
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: with Burden, mel Kiper and Daniel Jeremiah both had him

988
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: out of the first round and their mocks there this week.

989
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: That's not based off of tape. That's based off of

990
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: intel they're getting inside the league that teams are not

991
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: in love with the football character right in terms of

992
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: some of the answer, I don't think.

993
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a character thing with Golden. I

994
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: think he doesn't have a Golden too. Right, then Golden

995
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: outside the.

996
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: First round, no's going the first I thought you said Golden,

997
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: and I think with Luther Burden.

998
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: Okay, then yes, it's talent. It's not talent, which is

999
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: crazy because if you talk to people who are around

1000
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: him at Missouri, yeah, you hear about what a great

1001
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: kid he is and how driven he is and all

1002
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: of that and what he's meant to the community. So

1003
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: it's literally just getting frustrated in that broken down offense

1004
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: last year.

1005
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, So let me ask you this question,

1006
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: because now that these mocks have come out and he's

1007
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: out of the first round, Yeah, are you taking Luther

1008
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Burden at thirty?

1009
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean unless they take Ted at four double

1010
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: right right, Yes, if they go tackle in the first

1011
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: round and Luther Burden's there thirty eight h absolutely yeah, Yeah.

1012
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: I think your camp, your comp has been bigger.

1013
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Z A Flowers, Yeah, bigger.

1014
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: I think there's some debo there, ye, Like you plug

1015
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: that guy into this offense, you're gonna have a really

1016
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: good time.

1017
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I wonder some of the reporting out there, think Tom

1018
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Kerran had it about DK Metcalf and they were worried

1019
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: about the diva wide receiver calling for the ball all

1020
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: the time and begging for the ball all the time.

1021
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Burden last year. You could take some of the antics

1022
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: that he had and spin it that way that he

1023
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: was mad he wasn't getting targets.

1024
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: I think that's what it was, right, so Brady cooked.

1025
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: Just maybe if they felt that way about DK, then

1026
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: maybe it takes a guy like Burden off their board.

1027
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: But I kind of feel the opposite way because I

1028
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: trust Rabel with the culture stuff, like I trust him

1029
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: to get a young player like Luther Burden to stay

1030
00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: on the track.

1031
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: That's the difference there. Young player. It's one thing to

1032
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: talk about a twenty seven year old, you know, thirty

1033
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: million dollars a year guy versus a rookie, especially guy

1034
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: who has fallen in the draft.

1035
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: I would just hope that Vrabel would look at it

1036
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: that way and say, you know what, like I'll texta

1037
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: this kid every single morning during the season to get

1038
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: his butt in the facility and make sure that he's

1039
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: on his p's and q's and make sure that we

1040
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: have him ready to play and all those I would

1041
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: just if I was able, I would just trust myself

1042
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: to like raise a guy like.

1043
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: He's also again, like I think it literally came down

1044
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: to the production of the offense and his production. Don't

1045
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: think it's any deeper than that. Drake may is a

1046
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: much better quarterback than Brady Cook. And if you're drafting

1047
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: Luther Burden in the top forty on this football team,

1048
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: he should be one hundred and ten hundred and twenty

1049
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: target guy. I'm not worried about him getting upset over

1050
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: lack of targets, simply for the reason that if he

1051
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: is a lack of targets, you screwed up. That's on

1052
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: the team that guy. Like I've talked about certain receivers

1053
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: maybe not being volume guys in this offense. Luther Burton's

1054
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty target player if he's healthy in

1055
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: New England. I'm not worried about him getting lack of

1056
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: targets because I'm drafting him with the idea that I'm

1057
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: going to feed him in the football constantly.

1058
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're both still now on ten at four.

1059
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm not like a hard I'm a soft no.

1060
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: It's so hard in this I kind of feel about it.

1061
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: So I feel about Ted McMillan in the same way

1062
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: I felt about Mason Grant before they added Milton Williams,

1063
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: which was I don't think he'd be a bad pick,

1064
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: but he's definitely not the best pick they can make.

1065
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I think in this draft

1066
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: it's so hard because all these guys.

1067
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: There's out on anybody.

1068
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's positive and negatives about everybody, and it's it's

1069
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: a it's not a perfect draft, not that any draft's perfect,

1070
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: but it's really this one's really not a perfect draft.

1071
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: So it's tough to be a hard no on anybody.

1072
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if I could understand it, but I think

1073
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: that it's a risk if.

1074
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: You're but they're all rich. Like this is why I

1075
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: won't say I'm a no, because I think when you

1076
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: say you're out on a player, you have to give

1077
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: an alternative, right, So let's say, let's say we throw

1078
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: that qualifyer again, Hunter and Carter off the board, right, Okay,

1079
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: so you're out on Teed McMillan, you're out on Will Campbell? Like,

1080
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: who are you in on? You have to have somebody

1081
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: you're willing to pick.

1082
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to pick somebody, as you like, right,

1083
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: So who? So who?

1084
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: If you're a no on Tech McMillan, who, I don't know? No,

1085
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: you can't say you.

1086
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Don't know who would I pick? I would take Will Campbell,

1087
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: but I said you wouldn't. But in this scenario, I

1088
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: would take Will Campbell.

1089
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought you said you wouldn't take him before.

1090
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I said I would take him in that scenario.

1091
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Not projecting what they are, not projecting them. You you're

1092
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: on the clock Hunter, and for this team, Hunter and

1093
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: Carter are gone, and the trade isn't there. Nobody wants

1094
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: to move up. You're just gonna let the clock run

1095
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: out like the Minnesota Vikings and let somebody make the

1096
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: decision for you.

1097
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: I might.

1098
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's terrible.

1099
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: It's a terrible spot to be in I'm.

1100
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Speaker 2: Taking Campbell in that scenario, I feel great about it.

1101
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: I'm probably taking can.

1102
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: I guess I'm probably taking Campbell.

1103
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: Like you, you can't just be out on everybody, is

1104
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: my point. Yeah, I know you make a valid I

1105
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: would take a long hard look at Tech McMillan. I

1106
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: would take a long hard look at Tyler Warren. I

1107
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: would still take a long hard look at Armond Membo. Honestly,

1108
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 2: I really would. But I think, as that clock's mine

1109
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: and I'm taking every second to try to make calls,

1110
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: and realistically you'll probably get a trade. But I think

1111
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: i'd end up taking Will Campbell if I was in

1112
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: that situation, wouldn't feel good about it. And maybe I

1113
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: don't know that there is a pick you're gonna feel

1114
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 2: good about. But again, you're just gonna let the clock

1115
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: run out, all right, you know what Jaguars you pick,

1116
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: You make the decision for us, and then we'll just

1117
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: take who's left. But you still might not like anybody.

1118
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna let the Raiders decide at what point. Honestly,

1119
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: I'd feel pretty good about letting the Jets decide. Now,

1120
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 2: I'd pick an eight. I'd pick an eight because whoever

1121
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: the Jets take at seven is probably wrong. So you know,

1122
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: whoever they leave is probably right.

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00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: It's a tough spot to be in.

1124
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: It's not easy. It's not an easy draft. This is

1125
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: a hard draft, and that that clip is gonna get

1126
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: turned into me saying I think the Patriots should undoubtedly

1127
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: take Will Campbell, but no, it's just an exercise.

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Speaker 1: I think the only thing I come back to with

1129
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: Will Campbell then and then we can stop laboring this point.

1130
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: The worst case scenario is that he's a really good guard. Yeah,

1131
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario. Whereas I think the worst

1132
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: case scenario with a guy like Ted is that he

1133
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: can't get open, right, Yeah, and that's that's really not good.

1134
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: Right.

1135
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: So like that, that, to me, I think is a

1136
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: big difference. Uh, with those two players.

1137
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, somebody in the chat, this is a

1138
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: good one, tough spot. I'm absolutely taking Campbell in that scenario.

1139
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: Jihad Campbell, Oh my god.

1140
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: No.

1141
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Walker is a better linebacker than Jehad

1142
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: Campbell is. But that's another guy I would take a long,

1143
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: hard look at. I do like John Campbell. I just

1144
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 2: think Jalen Walker's little better.

1145
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you you know, if you really don't

1146
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: like those options, then you're you're going and you're you're

1147
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: taking a defensive player with some tools, right, you know,

1148
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: whether it's Jalen Walker, it's Mikel Williams, who, by the way,

1149
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 1: Michael Williams, we haven't heard anything about his pro day.

1150
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: There's like a forty time that got floated out there

1151
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't so great, and we haven't heard any other

1152
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: testing numbers from this prod, which makes me worried that

1153
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: that tells me that they weren't good.

1154
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: They used to televise to Georgia Brodey.

1155
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: If they were good. If Mikel william had this great

1156
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: pro day, it's like Trayvon Walker esque pro day, we

1157
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: would all know about it, right, Like those numbers would

1158
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: be everywhere. He also didn't can participate in the combine.

1159
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember if there was an injury with him,

1160
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know if if Mikyle Williams was

1161
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: this like a Donnis athlete that everybody thought. Shamar Stewart

1162
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: is like another one of those guys. Right, they had

1163
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: to blew up the combine. It's a tough spot to

1164
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: be in.

1165
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: All right, better hope somebody wants that pick.

1166
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1179
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Speaker 1: guys have been waiting. Let's get to these phones. Patty

1180
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: is an agoam. What's up, Patty?

1181
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: It's up, Patty?

1182
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: What is up?

1183
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: Jen?

1184
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 5: Hey?

1185
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: How are we doing.

1186
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: Doing all right?

1187
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 7: Today? I had a point that I wanted to say,

1188
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 7: and then I'm gonna end with a couple questions. So

1189
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 7: the point I wanted to make was regarding the offensive

1190
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 7: tackles to Alex. I know you say you'd prefer Ursery

1191
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 7: over Connolly Junior.

1192
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 8: I've done.

1193
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 7: I'm a sick Oh, So I do like a lot

1194
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 7: of like podcast listening reading on all these kids coming

1195
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 7: out of college and I have, I mean I have

1196
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 7: for like thirty plus years, right, So to me, just

1197
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 7: from what I've gleaned, it looks like Ersery is more

1198
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 7: of a plug and play guy. I mean, he could

1199
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 7: start on the web side day one. Connery though, is

1200
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 7: a little bit younger. I think he's only twenty one

1201
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 7: and use a former running back and a former basketball player.

1202
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 7: And it's a lot of the stuff that I'm reading

1203
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 7: that I'm listening to says that he hasn't even hit

1204
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 7: his floor, his potential floor yet as a target, I

1205
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 7: mean as an offensive tackle. So just going by what

1206
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 7: you guys said, like if you were to get someone

1207
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 7: like Tyron Smith to be like a stop gap player,

1208
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 7: a lot of these guys, like the PFF guys, Steve Belt,

1209
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 7: I know he's not with them anymore, but Steve the

1210
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 7: old guy from PFF. Yeah, they're saying that he could

1211
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 7: be possibly the best franchise tackle out of the whole class,

1212
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 7: and that's what that's kind of like, that's what I'm

1213
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 7: looking for. And that's just my two cents on that.

1214
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 7: So my two quick questions I have for you guys,

1215
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 7: and these these are kind of thinkers. I can't even

1216
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 7: like come up with them just in your guy's opinion.

1217
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 7: The first one, who's the safer pick out of Tet

1218
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 7: McMillan and Wild Campbell.

1219
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: I think will Will Campbell because at very least you're

1220
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: getting guard Yeah right, yep.

1221
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 7: And I think the second question I had is, I

1222
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 7: know I just kind of prefaced this what's talking about

1223
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 7: Josh Connolly, but just in that same day, and I

1224
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 7: think if Travis Hunter is there at four, TEP might

1225
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 7: be more of a just a day one starter, plug

1226
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 7: and play guy. You kind of see that between him

1227
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 7: and Hunter because a lot of the stuff that I

1228
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 7: hear in ridon Hunters that he's still rob like he's

1229
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 7: still learning the position. I would take Hunter at four

1230
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 7: and just kind of let him learn on the fly.

1231
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 7: But I'd like to get your guys thoughts on that,

1232
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 7: and I'll take it off the air. Guys are the best.

1233
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 7: I'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Patty. Yeah, I can understand, you know, some of

1235
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: those people that think Hunter's kind of still developing as

1236
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: a receiver, but I'm not taking him over.

1237
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, McMillan's obviously more developed at the position he's

1238
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 2: been playing in his whole life. Flicker has never focused

1239
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: full time on receiver. But the idea is once you

1240
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: let him do that with his natural skills, he's gonna

1241
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: truly progress at a rapid an exponential rate. So I'm

1242
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: betting on the ceiling there. Like McMillan probably has a

1243
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: slightly higher floor at wide receiver than Hunter, slightly higher floor,

1244
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: but I think the ceiling for Hunters much much higher.

1245
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also I think Hunter's actually got some real

1246
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: natural instincts for receiver, which I really was comes from

1247
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: playing corner pretty surprised by in a way. Was. Yeah,

1248
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: maybe there's some like technical stuff with like his release

1249
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: in the top of the route and stuff like that

1250
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: that he will need to develop with more time spent

1251
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: on receiver, but he's got a really good feel for

1252
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: play for running routes against zone coverage, like finding soft

1253
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: spots and pockets and zones. He has a really good

1254
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: field working off script with Shador Sanders and making himself

1255
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: available for the quarterback and has a great motor just

1256
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: like constantly trying to get open and constantly working himself open,

1257
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: which would translate nicely to Drake May and then he's

1258
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: got great ball skins. So like those things are just

1259
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: natural abilities that when you watch him at receiver that

1260
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: he just has innately already. So we can maybe get

1261
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: bogged down by the fact that his footwork at the

1262
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: top of the route could be a little bit more efficient,

1263
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: or his hand fighting against man to man and press

1264
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: could be a little bit better, but like those things

1265
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: are gonna come when he plays a position more often

1266
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: the things that he's innately good at are naturally good at.

1267
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Like that's his floor. That's like where you know, I

1268
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: feel safe with him as a pick, So no, I

1269
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't really panic about that. But I'm with Josh Connerly,

1270
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Like I like the idea. Now, if you're telling me

1271
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: that you feel like they need to sign Cam Robinson

1272
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: as a one year bridge or even a half year

1273
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: bridge just to coach up Connorly before you throw him

1274
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: in there at left tackled, And I don't hate that plan,

1275
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: but I'm with Patty. I'm taking the upside, like I'm

1276
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: going for the guy that I think can be a

1277
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: really high level left tackle. Give me the big mall.

1278
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: All right, Marcus is in South Carolina. We get a

1279
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: lot of calls from North Carolina, Marcus, but you're in

1280
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: South Carolina.

1281
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, thank y'all for having me. I really enjoy

1282
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 9: watching y'all, and y'all are the best endless out. It's

1283
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 9: hard to cover this team, and y'all have a non

1284
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 9: bitter perspective, so I really appreciate that.

1285
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1286
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 9: But I wanted to ask about Trey Hares. You know,

1287
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 9: Jackson Dart's getting a lot of love right now, and

1288
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 9: I don't know, I don't know if people didn't watch

1289
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 9: Old Miss every time Trey hair has played, Jackson Dart

1290
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 9: looked really good.

1291
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm a.

1292
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 9: Florida fan, and the one catch he had was a

1293
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Speaker 9: touchdown for forty three yards. And I'll be interested to

1294
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 9: hear thoughts about DJ Lagway once he gets close to

1295
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 9: in the draft. But I just don't get why he's

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 9: not I get he's older and he's had some injuries,

1297
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 9: but about a player who can come in and produce

1298
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 9: right away. I wanted to get your thoughts on Trey

1299
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 9: Harris and how y'all feel about him as a Patriot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Marcus. Uh, he was a

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: recency bias from a guy at one point when I

1302
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: was making.

1303
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: My way out of the receiver. It's not your kind

1304
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: of player.

1305
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: I comped into Brandon Lafel like Crafty, a good route

1306
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: runner for his size, can win at the catch point,

1307
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: just not gonna run by you. You're not not particularly fast.

1308
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: I think that's where some people have reservations with him,

1309
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: is that he just doesn't have a whole lot of

1310
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: bursts or speed down the field or after the catch.

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: So Day two Techncvillian, Yeah, he's kind of just.

1312
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: Going to catch the ball at twelve thirteen yards and

1313
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: go down Like that's kind of think what people are

1314
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: a little concerned about with Trey Harris. But he's in

1315
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: that group to me in day two, you know, maybe

1316
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: just you know, from let's call it sixty to one

1317
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: hundred that yea, you're gonna have a slew of receivers

1318
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: go there, and I think Trey Harris is probably gonna

1319
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: end up.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere higher than sixty. But yeah, like somewhere on do

1321
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: you mean like forty to eighty.

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01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: I think he can go top fifty.

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: He could maybe, I mean if I don't know, I

1324
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know where teams are at with aomnor. But like

1325
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: he's yeah, one of the next X guys up, got

1326
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 2: more speed, I think so. Yeah, Trey Harris is a

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: solid player. So I think Jackson Dart's getting a little

1328
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: too much love.

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: That's putting it nicely.

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Speaker 2: I will say to his other point, I do really

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: like DJ Lagway. I'm a big fan of DJ Lagway.

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you are. He's what next year to.

1333
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: Know, he's a true freshman past two years or so,

1334
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: he's twenty five, he's twenty twenty seven draft, So.

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: Start tanking now, Yeah, I mean not who else?

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01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 5: Is it? No?

1337
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: Somebody else too? Who's the other quarterback? There's another really

1338
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: good quarterback in that draft? And that's actually that draft's

1339
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: gonna be unreal because it's gonna be Lagway, It's gonna

1340
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: be Jeremiah Smith, it's gonna be Ryan Williams, it's gonna

1341
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: be the guy, the Dylan Stewart from South Carolina, the

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: pass rusher. Yeah that this freshman class is unfreaking believable.

1343
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: But I really like DJ Lagway. He's my kind of quarterback. Big.

1344
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: I can throw it a mile, a ton of zip

1345
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: on the ball, runs runs around. You're descrireless. Yeah, he's

1346
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: he is kind of day oh. I mean, we'll see.

1347
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: It's too early to see where he's at. He was

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01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: kind of up and down this year, but he didn't

1349
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: get the starting reps in camp. That was Graham Mertz.

1350
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: Graham Mertz is gone. So I'm looking forward to see

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: what he can do with a full year and hopefully

1352
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: some better receivers because a lot of his receivers left.

1353
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: But you know who actually his top receiver is gonna

1354
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: be next year? You want you're ready to feel old

1355
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: Eugene Wilson, the third, the third, well, the one who

1356
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: played here was j So his son, uh and DJ Lagways.

1357
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about him for the Pats next year.

1358
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: He'll be draft eligible next year. Eugene Wilson's son. Imagine

1359
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: if they ended and imagine they ended up with the

1360
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: same team, ended up with the Sante Samuel and Eugene Wilson.

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Speaker 2: But one's a receiver now, so they'd be running, you know,

1362
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: against each other.

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Speaker 1: Just throw Jason Taylor's son in there. Too, and then

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Speaker 1: you have like an.

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01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: All but Mason Taylor didn't play here.

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's like an age.

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01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Two thousands reunion.

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01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: We're getting there.

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Speaker 1: Who else?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I think Chad Pennington's son is playing college football? So

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: my god is in the FBS.

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01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: Sold all right, So that's the mcnabs kid. Just just think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Chris is in Allentown. What's up, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Chad Pennington's son is at Marshall Bellow makes sense?

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Speaker 1: Chris?

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01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: You there?

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go for it.

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 5: Thank you guys for taking my call. That's my first

1381
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: time calling in. Usually I have to catch this on

1382
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: the podcast afterwards.

1383
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: Love it.

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: Thanks appreciating going.

1385
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 5: So my question is, since it's the time of year

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01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 5: for hypotheticals, if something weird happens at the top of

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01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 5: the draft, Let's say Carter falls to us at four,

1388
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 5: or they fall in love with Ashton genty, or we

1389
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 5: trip on the way up to the stage and don't

1390
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 5: get to pick somebody.

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Speaker 8: We go past the.

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Speaker 5: Fourth overall pick and we don't have either a receiver

1393
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 5: or a tackle because we had to take someone else.

1394
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 5: Now we're looking at that that second tier trading up

1395
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 5: into the end of this end of the first beginning

1396
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 5: of the second for these guys, which is the bigger

1397
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 5: drop off from your you know, your thirties to your sixties,

1398
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 5: either wide receiver or tackle.

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Speaker 2: Tackle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would probably say tackle too. Thanks for the call, Chris. Yeah,

1401
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: after Ursery, I think is probably the one in my

1402
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: mind would probably I guess Simmons with the injury maybe,

1403
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: but after that group goes, you know, Connorlycery Simmons, After

1404
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: that group goes, I mean, who is the next true tackle,

1405
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: Like not Wyatt Milam, who's gonna move inside the guard?

1406
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: But like, is it Belton? It might be Belton.

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01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one more guy in there at Am missing.

1408
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: Because it's all because that's all that that group of

1409
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: Wyatt Milam, Gray Zabel, Donovan Jackson from Ohio State, all

1410
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: those guys are probably gonna play guard.

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess it would be one of the true

1412
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: right tackles would be Cameron Williams or Emery Jones.

1413
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: I think I think both those guys might play guard too,

1414
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: especially Emery Jones. Emery Jones's tape it right tackles.

1415
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then it would Yeah, I think you're probably

1416
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: between Belton Pillow. I know some people like Logan Brown

1417
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: from Kansas. Yeah, I put him another step down. He

1418
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: got kicked what he got in a fight with the teammate. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

1419
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: it's probably Belton or Trapillo, depending on what you're looking for.

1420
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: What you like.

1421
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: That's not a great, that's not good.

1422
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: Those are not definitely not day one starters, might not

1423
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: be year one starters. I like Belton, I like his upside.

1424
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: Trapillo is an interesting prospect too. I'm not expecting you

1425
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: those guys to start early on.

1426
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. It it's not a deep tackle class, and I

1427
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: think this is you know, we've talked about this in

1428
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: the past, but because you don't have the all it's

1429
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: the Fashanos. The figwas, uh, those guys bumping down the

1430
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: next tier like you did last year where you had

1431
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: that Kingsley, Sue Mattier, Roger and Patrick Paul tier. That

1432
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: tier doesn't really exist in this draft because all those

1433
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: guys are going higher, right, So this is a tough

1434
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: one in terms of tackle outside the top forty. I

1435
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: think it really drops off after that.

1436
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: If they miss Uneursery and Connery, like they're not. Venerian

1437
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: Lowe's a candidate to start week one next year, Like

1438
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: that's it probably strong candidate to start week one next year,

1439
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: because I don't know where else you're getting somebody. You

1440
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: might bring in somebody later on who competes with them,

1441
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: and maybe like Belton really pops on the left side,

1442
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: but that's an open competition in camp. One hundred percent. Yeah,

1443
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: So if if they get by thirty eight and they

1444
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: even taken a tackle, they're not they had they didn't

1445
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: address the need.

1446
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of receivers in my mind in every draft, yeah,

1447
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: and this draft. I know that people are down on

1448
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: the receiver class this year, especially at the top. I

1449
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: don't think the league is too a gung ho about

1450
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: the receiver class either, but I always feel like to

1451
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: know some of those Day two guys, a couple are

1452
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna hit. And maybe I'm not saying that they're gonna

1453
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: be Lad McConkie or be like stars, you know, but

1454
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: a couple of them will be viable NFL receivers. You know,

1455
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: caller called in about Trey Harris, you know, right, Jack

1456
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: Betch from TCU, you know those types of guys. One

1457
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: of those guys is gonna be a good player. Maybe

1458
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: a couple.

1459
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: Just see Steve Smith thinks that Jack bet should play tight.

1460
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: End, Well, I would assume he plays big slot. Like,

1461
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: so we're kind of splitting hairs right, Like he's gonna

1462
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: be an inside predominantly receiver. If you want to call

1463
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: him like a move tight end instead of receiver, then

1464
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: it we're kind of yeah, we're in semantics land there.

1465
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: But uh Jack Betch Trey Harris, I you man or

1466
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where he's gonna end up. He

1467
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: might go a little bit higher than than you know

1468
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: that third round projection, if you will. I mean, there's

1469
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: other guys I can't think of off the top of

1470
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: my head, but I don't hate any of those guys.

1471
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: Like I think, like, where's Jalen Noel gonna go? You know,

1472
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna go second round. You know, I think

1473
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Uh Higgins is probably gonna go

1474
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: second round too, He's a good player. Uh. Ted Johnson

1475
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: is probably gonna go undrafted. I'm just kidding. I don't

1476
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: know where Ted Johnson is gonna go. I know you

1477
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: want we want to talk about outliers. Yeah, that that

1478
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: that's fair. Okay, So this is a good question. I

1479
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: don't know if we've I addressed directly. Yeah, maybe we have.

1480
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: But Andrew and Lincoln is a long time listener, so

1481
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: he just emailed us asking about Will Campbell versus Peter Skaransky,

1482
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: because obviously Rabel drafted Scronsky. It was his last first

1483
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: round pick in Tennessee. Uh. In the first round, they

1484
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: drafted Skoransky and immediately moved Skronsky inside the guard. It

1485
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: wasn't even a conversation about it.

1486
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: They guard.

1487
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they wasn't even a conversation. He played college tackle.

1488
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: Skronsky's a little shorter. Yeah, his arms are a little

1489
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: bit shorter. I don't think that he moves as well

1490
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: as Will Campbell. Will Campbell is an excellent athlete. But

1491
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: all in all, I can understand where the emailer is

1492
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: coming from. That aren't aren't those guys kind of similar?

1493
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1494
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,839
Speaker 1: And in one way, if you want to be predictive

1495
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: about it, it kind of says, okay, well that's a

1496
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: Rabel guy, right, if you want to look at it

1497
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: that way. The other way to look at it is

1498
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: Rabel's gonna think Will Campbell's guard, right, because he thought

1499
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,480
Speaker 1: Skoransky is a guard. Do do you see any comparisons

1500
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: there with Skansky and Campbell.

1501
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously a little bit, but no, I think

1502
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: Skoransky everybody kind of knew he wasn't the He was

1503
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: a good tackle, he was not the level of tackle

1504
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: Will Campbell was. I've said this in the lead up

1505
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: to the arm measurement, right, if he comes in under

1506
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: thirty three, it's about asking yourself, do you believe he

1507
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: is a special kind of talent that he can be

1508
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 2: a trend breaker and reset the margin. Skoransky's good. I

1509
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: don't think anybody ever believed Skorroansky was that level of player,

1510
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: that he was going to be this generational talent where

1511
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: he could offset, especially how short his arms are. Campbe's

1512
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: a little closer. I also think he's above thirty two

1513
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: and five eighths. Just the whole thing with the combine

1514
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: measurements versus the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl measurements. The

1515
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: fact that the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl are similar,

1516
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: and the combine it's like an equal outlier from those two.

1517
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: So did the Senior Bowl and Shrine Bowl both get

1518
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: the measurements equally wrong? I STI don't think Campbell's thirty three,

1519
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 2: but I think he's probably closer thirty thirty two and

1520
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: seven eighths.

1521
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he that thirty two and seven eighth number

1522
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: that's been out there, Yeah, more accurate.

1523
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: So I I mean, I understand it's it's the same,

1524
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: like I it's similar. I understand where that comp's coming from.

1525
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 2: But I think the situations are different enough. I if

1526
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: anything you know is able, maybe looking at it, like

1527
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: we'll try him at tackle the worst case scenario like

1528
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: Skeronsky's the worst case scenario for him with Campbell more

1529
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: than I guess, like a blueprint.

1530
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I think Campbell's a better player than Scar Yeah,

1531
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I think he was a better player. But yeah,

1532
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: I can see the comparison. All right. Alexander has two

1533
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: good questions. I want to start with this one first, though,

1534
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: is actually his second question, because I have to get

1535
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: your take on the mock draft heard around the world

1536
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 1: by Mike so awesome Ashton Genty fourth overall, but before

1537
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: we talk about the Patriots and Ashen Denty, Alexander thinks

1538
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: that the Giants at three overall could take Ashton Genty

1539
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: to replace Saquon Barkley. And I got it that that's

1540
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.

1541
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: Not if they don't have a quarterback. Maybe if they

1542
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: get Rogers.

1543
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: But if Joe Shane wasn't willing to pay Sakwon Barkley

1544
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: because he doesn't believe in running backs, why would he

1545
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: draft a running backs?

1546
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: And he learned his lesson because he's getting meaned to

1547
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: death on the internet. That's why I'm all for that.

1548
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: Take Ashon gent at three, I'd be great. I love

1549
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: Mike's mantra. Ultimately the point of Mack drafts, which people forget. Yeah,

1550
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: it's so it's two prong it's predictive, but it's also

1551
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: like the exercise. The way I view it is it's

1552
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: just a tool to help teach people about the prospects

1553
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: in the draft. That's why I usually try to avoid

1554
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: because I'll do three Patriots mock drafts and three NFL

1555
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 2: mock drafts, so I make six first round picks for

1556
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots and make every other pick three times. I

1557
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: try my best to avoid repeating players so that I

1558
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 2: get people informed on as many players as possible as

1559
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: many situations. Right, all right, so if they go this

1560
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: position at the top, now what's next? Blah blah, blah,

1561
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 2: Drake May and I think just about every one. I

1562
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 2: think I had one Patriots one for Jane and Daniels

1563
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 2: last year, but that was different. It was a unique scenario.

1564
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,919
Speaker 2: So what would it look like. It's part of the exercise.

1565
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: We're just doing scenarios like we did before. Right, Hunter

1566
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: and car both off the board, phones dead, no trades? Right,

1567
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: who are you tay? Will that happen? I don't know.

1568
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 2: What's an exercise? This is all about playing out different scenarios.

1569
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 2: What if the Patriots just think there's a real chance

1570
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: I've said this that, regardless of positional value, Ashton Genty

1571
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: is the best football player on the board when the

1572
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: Patriots are picking it for What if they just look

1573
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: at that and say, it's as simple as that. Will

1574
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: that happen? I doubt it? Should it happen? Probably not,

1575
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: But let's play out the scenario. Let's learn something. The

1576
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 2: crazier thing was Ursery getting all the way to sixty eight.

1577
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm more probably we discussed that. That's a side

1578
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 1: note obviously to the Jesse thing.

1579
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, but you know what, my he got people

1580
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: worked up. He had some fun with it. It's it's

1581
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be fun. This is all supposed to be

1582
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: fun and have some fun with it, and good for

1583
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: Mike for having fun.

1584
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: We lose the plot on that a little bit. This

1585
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: is all supposed to just be.

1586
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: The plot on it. I love having fun with this stuff.

1587
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: I think the biggest argument for Ashton Genty is the

1588
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: one you just made. If you truly feel like he

1589
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: is the best football player on the board, then you

1590
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: could make the argument. And we sat here and said,

1591
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: it's a tough spot to be in if if Hunter

1592
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: and Carter are off the board, because it's like who

1593
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: do you take? Who do you take? At that point

1594
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: that being said, what I keep coming back to with

1595
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: Ashton Genty because I'm a nerd and I can't get

1596
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: the positional value out of my head. I just I

1597
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: find it the path to making Ashton Genty work that pick,

1598
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: make him work to be hard.

1599
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: For this team. Yes, I agree with you. Let me

1600
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: ask you this. Let's how all right, let's say, and

1601
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,959
Speaker 2: we're kind of idealizing things here. They sign Cam Robinson

1602
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 2: and they go receiver with their first pick, whether it's

1603
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 2: tet or they move back and they get Burden or

1604
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 2: they get Golden Right. Yeah, So you have a left tackle,

1605
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: you have a receiver. Okay, moving up to three whatever

1606
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 2: you want to call it, Amari and Hampton.

1607
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: That's the other part about this to be that I

1608
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around with Genty, Not to tease

1609
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: Mike anymore than I did yesterday, but it's such a

1610
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: great running back class.

1611
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: That's my biggest part.

1612
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: So like is the drop off from Genty to Amarion

1613
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: Hampton to the second day two guys like it's it's

1614
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: so much you can find what they need, well, somebody

1615
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: to push Formandra Stevenson, like Rmandra Stevens is not a scrub.

1616
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: I know he had a bad year last year, but

1617
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: he's not a scrub.

1618
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: The drop off from Genty to Hampton is significant, but

1619
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: that's more about genty being this rare prospect than it

1620
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: is about any of the other guys. You're right, if

1621
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 2: you're just trying to get a guy who's gonna push

1622
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: Stevenson and and fill in, you know, give you a

1623
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: really solid number two. At least you can get that

1624
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: guy early on day three. Frankly, if you want to go.

1625
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: To twenty of those guys in this draft.

1626
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: That might be a little high. There's it's probably closer

1627
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: to ten.

1628
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: There's probably it's like legit like legitimately gonna.

1629
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: Right, But draft well running back does not mean is

1630
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: gonna push Ramondre Stevenson for the starting.

1631
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: Job third or fourth round. I can. If they take

1632
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: one at seventy seven, I'm not gonna kill him for it.

1633
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: Depends on who it is. But if they take one

1634
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: at seventy seven, I'm not gonna kill him for it.

1635
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: If they take one at one of six, I'm.

1636
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: Not gonna If they take one at seventy seven, my

1637
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: guess is it's Dylan Samson from Tennessee, who is a

1638
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 2: well rounded back, a really good in space, and that's

1639
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: he'd be a good complimentary player to Stevenson because he's

1640
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: he's a little better catching the football and he plays

1641
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: in that widespread Tennessee offense. So they were so good

1642
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: at getting him one on one with defenders. So if

1643
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna run some of that outside stuff that McDaniel's

1644
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 2: runs right as a counter to pounding the ball with Stevenson,

1645
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 2: you can get him one on one with slock corners

1646
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 2: in safety.

1647
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: Safety.

1648
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be really good in the The other

1649
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: guy at seventy seven would be Cam Scatabo.

1650
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: Who who's picking up some steam again.

1651
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: Picking up a lot of steam. He So that's my

1652
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: day two Ashton Genty. Honestly, well there's two day two

1653
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: act their second round ash and Genty is quinch On Judkins,

1654
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: and third round ash and genty or fringe top one hundred,

1655
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: ash and genty is Cam Scadrow. The only reason Cam

1656
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: Scadbow is not gonna be a top fifty pick, there's

1657
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: two reasons. Late breakout player and he's twenty gonna be

1658
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four year old rookie, but his skill

1659
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: set and he is underrated as a receiver. Do not

1660
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: everybody wants to call him Mike Alstott, Do not sleep

1661
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: on how good Cam Scatabo is in the passing game.

1662
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: Don't do it nothing.

1663
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: Don't do the same with genty, But he'd be he'd

1664
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: be an interesting pick at seventy seven two.

1665
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: It makes a total sense to me that Scamp Cam

1666
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: Scattaboo is picking up this late steam because this is

1667
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: when the coaches get involved. Yep, right, So now all

1668
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: of the they met with the common Rabels and the

1669
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaughs, and like all these guys are like that's

1670
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: just a football play, and I just want that guy on.

1671
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: I want to go to war with that dude, right,

1672
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: Like that's what they're all saying.

1673
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: You can rally baby.

1674
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: So the scouts are all saying, yeah, but he's he's

1675
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: not very fast, and like, you.

1676
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 2: Know, he's not very fast.

1677
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: He's not very big, and he's not he's kind of old,

1678
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: and like.

1679
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: He's not tall. He is thick, he's got the muscle,

1680
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: he's thick with two seas. Yeah.

1681
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: But then these coaches come in and they're like, but

1682
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: he's a football player, like he's tough, and we're gonna

1683
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: build a run game around him and we're gonna run

1684
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: it down people's throats. And then the scouts are like, yeah,

1685
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: but like he's not really very athletic, and they're like no, no, no, no,

1686
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: Like it's.

1687
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 2: You don't need to run over guys. I give you

1688
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: one more running back. Take look on it. You'll actually

1689
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: like this one. So it was reported last week that

1690
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots met with e Equavius Marks Woody Marks from

1691
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: USC at the USC Pro Day Day three pick. He's

1692
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 2: probably gonna be somewhere. He'll sneak in the top two hundred.

1693
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: It will be like one fifty two hundred range. Uh.

1694
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: Woody Marks is one of the best pure pass catching

1695
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: backs in this draft, so you know, the do it

1696
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: all guys like Jeni and Scatabo like a guy you're

1697
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: going to throw the football to. He's one of the

1698
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 2: best receiving backs in this draft. Not a guy you're

1699
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: probably gonna hand the ball off to a ton not

1700
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: great in between the tackles, a little bit on the

1701
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: smaller side, doesn't necessarily have that great burst, but he

1702
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 2: is a mismatch in the past game. Am I reading

1703
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: too much into it to look at that meeting and

1704
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: say we're going back to early down passing down backs

1705
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: and no more splitting by drive, no more splitting by fatigue.

1706
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Ramandre Stevenson, you know, early on, and

1707
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: then when you get into those third downs, when you

1708
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: get in those two minutes, it's the James White role

1709
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 2: essentially what I'm talking about. Yeah, and it doesn't have

1710
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: to be Woody marx Well. Quinn Allen from Sarah Jus

1711
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: is another guy I really like. Brischard Smith from SMU

1712
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: is a converted wide receiver. Maybe it's Antonio Gibson. Maybe

1713
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 2: they're meeting with guys, But it's Antonio Gibson in the building,

1714
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: another converted wide receiver, but like Woody Marks, he's I'm

1715
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: not comping him to James whe because James Waite's an

1716
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: unbelievable player, but like when I look at him, that's

1717
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: the guy they would have drafted five years ago to

1718
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 2: be in that role. You're not drafting him to hand

1719
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: the ball off to him from under center. You're drafting

1720
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: him to throw him the football. Am I reading too

1721
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: much into that and saying maybe this is a sign

1722
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: the running back mix is coming back.

1723
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: No, not not totally. And I would also just say schematically,

1724
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: if they want Drake may Or, I should say, if

1725
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: Drake may wants to play in the gun predominantly and

1726
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: he's not as comfortable under center, yeah, and they're going

1727
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: to be more of a spread offense, then you need

1728
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: like a scap back like you're Remondre. I don't think

1729
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: is a great fit for that type of offense. You

1730
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: want to spread back at that point, it's got some

1731
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: speed and got some wiggle. You mentioned the kid from

1732
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: SMU Bishard Smith, right, Smithy, Yeah, I think Smith. I

1733
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: like Smith a lot like explosive guy. Right, He's He's

1734
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: one of those guys that when he gets a creased,

1735
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, he's gonna be gone. Like Quinn

1736
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: Allen is really highly regarded for his ability to and

1737
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: blitz pick up.

1738
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: He's an unreal blocker.

1739
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: Probably the best blocker in the class. So he's one

1740
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: side is just the best at everything.

1741
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he is. I'm not joking. He's maybe not

1742
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: straight line speed. Outside of that, he might be so,

1743
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:13,839
Speaker 2: but Quinn Allen.

1744
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: Quinn Allen a Day three guy probably that the range.

1745
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a handful of those guys. There's one

1746
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: where I'll look it up. I can't think of off

1747
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: the top of my head. For Smith quinn Allen, I

1748
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: want to say like Virginia Tech or something like that.

1749
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: So base shall Tutton too. Yes, so he's not he

1750
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: has like the physical tools, yeah, but he's not as

1751
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: developed as like a route runner. Also, he has big

1752
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: time ball security issues both fumbles and like drops. So

1753
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: that's you need to be more reliable in that position.

1754
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: To me, he he I would almost compare him more so. Again,

1755
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 2: they had the early down passing down and people kind

1756
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: of turned that into big and physical, small and fast. Yeah,

1757
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 2: there are small and fast running backs who aren't good receivers,

1758
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 2: which generally their early down backs were Antoine Smith, Garrett Blunt, right,

1759
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 2: Stephen Ridley, like Damian Harris, these bruisers. They did have

1760
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 2: a couple early down backs during the run who were

1761
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 2: the smaller, quicker guys. Lewis, Dean Lewis. Yeah, you see going,

1762
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 2: I Toutton to me is more in the Deon Lewis

1763
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: mold than he is the James White molt. I love

1764
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: people think Dean Lewis is a receiving back day Like

1765
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 2: never threw him the ball. You didn't really need to.

1766
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 2: He was really good.

1767
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: That's twenty fifteen. Dion Lewis was like some of the

1768
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: best running.

1769
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: He was the play in Dallas where he like ducks

1770
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 2: under the two defenders and Cory Dylon you know yea

1771
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: three h four.

1772
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: And then Deon Lewis in twenty fifteen before he got hurt.

1773
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: He was he was so that That's where I put

1774
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: on some good years in there.

1775
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 2: I'd put toutt more in that group than I would

1776
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: in the James White group.

1777
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: I like that group, Deon Lewis group.

1778
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: The other guy a receiver were you thinking of Marcus

1779
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 2: Yarns from Delaware. Yeah, he fits in that group.

1780
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: So that's the receiving back tutorial. Yeah, I'm not gonna

1781
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: try to blow you away too much here. Not the

1782
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, probably wouldn't take him a running back

1783
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: in the second round either, but running back in the

1784
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: middle rounds is totally in play. I'm totally cool.

1785
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.

1786
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: I order fourth round running back, sign me up.

1787
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 2: I would do that, you know, whether it's one of

1788
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: the guys talked about, I'll throw Kyle Mnongai in there.

1789
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 2: I feel like this is their shot to get right

1790
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: on Missus and Isaiah and Pacheco. Similar player who also,

1791
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: by the way, uh knows the mccardy's and has spoken

1792
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: with the McCarty's Rutgers guy. But like if they I

1793
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: know people want them to draft somebody to push Stevenson.

1794
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like he had it down here. He

1795
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: was overworked. I think diminishing his workload would help. If

1796
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: they get a guy like le Quinn Allen or Woody

1797
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 2: Marx in the middle of day three, and that's the

1798
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 2: big addition, and they're gonna go back to splitting the

1799
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: carry Situationally that would be enough for me.

1800
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 1: I just they need more offense, they need more playmakers.

1801
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 5: It is.

1802
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: What's allowing me to overlook my hatred for running backs

1803
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: is that it's such a great class. Yeah, that you're

1804
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: really it's really a great marriage between They have a

1805
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: little bit of a need there and you're leaning into

1806
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: a strength of the class. Right, So you're getting two

1807
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: for the price of one in that respect, and I

1808
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: don't think you should be passing up on that. I

1809
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: feel that way about defensive line. I want a defensive

1810
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: lineman at some point in this draft. I don't necessarily

1811
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 1: need it to be the first round, but at some point,

1812
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: I would say in their first four picks, right, their

1813
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: top one fifty picks, I would like a defensive lineman.

1814
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: I like a running back, and if they can fit

1815
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: it in, I would like a tight end, you know,

1816
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: if that's possible. I just think these classes are just

1817
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: too good at those three spots for the Patriots to

1818
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: sit back and not take anybody in those three positions.

1819
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: So I am surprisingly for a running back. How about that?

1820
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: I like it? Do you like that? I also like

1821
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: bud light because it's easy to drink, eat to enjoy

1822
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: bud Light, the official beer spawns of the New England Patriots.

1823
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: All right, we got a few more calls, a couple

1824
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: of emails, and then I do want to go over

1825
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: some of the I know you love the rule proposals

1826
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: that we have, so we can go over some of

1827
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: those as well. Here to wrap up the show. But

1828
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: Eldred is in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred? Nice?

1829
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 5: Right?

1830
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 1: How are we doing?

1831
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 10: Oh? I'm doing pretty good. Hey, I'm like this four.

1832
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 10: If I did get Smith to come in, I'm taking

1833
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, man, y'all keep seeing I know he's running

1834
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 10: full five, but it's in my singing. Watching the game.

1835
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 10: You watch, watching highlight, keep it in the panther, come

1836
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 10: on back and I ain't come out on stint. I'm

1837
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 10: come on straight away straight. And this such thing as

1838
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 10: football speed and forty speed and Baldy gave her and fruits.

1839
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 10: You have a good comparison.

1840
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, y'all see Drake and whatever?

1841
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 10: What are the guys from the ram? He's gone, I think,

1842
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 10: and I would taken, but wheel Cable, what do you

1843
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 10: think about Brown? That's a gonna see Eldrid.

1844
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go because the phone

1845
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: was given.

1846
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: Out that was there a pooka tech McMillan comp and.

1847
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: I got the gist, which is why I let you go. Eldred. So,

1848
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: uh he likes Tet McMillan, which I am not shot

1849
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: by at all because uh, Eldred's favorite receivers since I've

1850
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 1: known him, DK, Metcalf, Quentin Johnson, Tet McMillan. So do

1851
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: you think he has the type? So I I totally

1852
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: get that, Eldred. Uh, he made the Poka cop which

1853
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: is picking up a little bit of steam like taller, slimmer.

1854
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 2: And I plays faster than he tests.

1855
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I have to admit I kind of see it. I

1856
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: kind of see it because's best that's right is catch

1857
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: and run ability. Right, he can hit him over the

1858
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: middle of the field on a slant or a dig

1859
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: or a crosser, and he can he picks up more

1860
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: speed as he runs with the football and after the catch,

1861
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,879
Speaker 1: and he's got great body control, He's got good hands.

1862
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: He's not Pukah's shorter right like Ted's more in that

1863
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: big body frame. But I I kind of if you're

1864
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: don't love like copping him to Drake London like a

1865
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: lot of people do, I don't hate Pokin Nakua as

1866
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: a comp for him. I can see it. You can.

1867
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: I totally see where's coming from.

1868
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

1869
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: The other one was the kid from Tennessee, the Burner Thompson.

1870
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: The receiver ran like a four to three at the combine.

1871
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: This is a fast and guy.

1872
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, I guess fast and big, but fast

1873
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: and tall.

1874
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll give him this. He's legit play speed fast like

1875
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: he plays fast and he runs fast. It's not Taekwon

1876
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: Thornton like. He is not just a forty thing with him,

1877
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: I would say, but he's only fast, like he has

1878
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: one thing. It's straight line speed and get down the field. Now,

1879
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: if you wanted to say, late on day three, fifth

1880
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 1: sixth round, pair of that kind of guy with a

1881
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: dude that throws the deep ball like Drake May. Yeah,

1882
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: he has a role on an NFL team. He's just

1883
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: a role player, like he is a certain type of receiver.

1884
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: He's not a high volume guy. He's going to take

1885
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: the top off the defense and that's about it. But

1886
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't totally dismiss him because I don't think that

1887
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: it's just the fact that he ran fast at the combine.

1888
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: I think he plays fast. I think he has legit

1889
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: vertical deep speed with Thompson. But yeah, the Pukua nakua

1890
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: things picking up some steam with Ted because I think

1891
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: people are trying to sell tech.

1892
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 2: I think everybody over corrected to him being too bad

1893
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: at the combine and so now they're trying to pull

1894
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: it back the other way.

1895
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that one. All right, Rio is an Exeter.

1896
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: What's up? Ryo?

1897
01:27:59,640 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 5: Yep?

1898
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 8: Can you hear me?

1899
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: Yes? Go for it.

1900
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I appreciate you taking my call. Actually, uh,

1901
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 8: I have to give Alex the credit for inspiring me

1902
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 8: to call finally, because he likes to pick up my

1903
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 8: My comments in the chat was the jihat Campbell guy

1904
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 8: but I have yeah, yeah, he was at nine and

1905
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,759
Speaker 8: Daniel Jeremiah's latest mock draft, you know, maybe not quite

1906
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 8: so crazy. But I had just a couple of quick questions. One, uh,

1907
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 8: why is uh nobody talking about Kyle Williams at Washington stage.

1908
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: You're just you're just trying to want to double up

1909
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: the receiver. You're trying to appease my guy here. This

1910
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: is what you're doing. I'm just kidding.

1911
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: What was what was the other one going?

1912
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: To ask about Ben Saws.

1913
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 8: No, I'm not. My other question is actually something uh,

1914
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 8: something Evan said on you yesterday, Uh, which is the

1915
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 8: point I've been making for months, which is that I

1916
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 8: think this is a pretty strong draft, actually just not

1917
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 8: at the top, and that going from you know, pick

1918
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 8: four to forty, they're looking at similar quality prospects. So

1919
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 8: what do you think about completely trading out of number four? No,

1920
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 8: I trying to get another high pick in the draft.

1921
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 8: I'll give you a one potential scenario, but doesn't have

1922
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 8: to be this team, but somebody like the Saints if

1923
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 8: they wanted to move up for a quarterback and you

1924
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 8: want to do say like forty seventy one, one, twelve

1925
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 8: and next year's first for number four overall, so you could,

1926
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 8: you know, really stock up on picks and you know,

1927
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,839
Speaker 8: build out the roster since they've got fifty one spots

1928
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 8: they need to fill realistically.

1929
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call. I appreciate you.

1930
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Calling in the chat, finally making it to the phone.

1931
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: I like the outside the box thinking I need a

1932
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: first round pick in this draft. I need them to

1933
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: take a well.

1934
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, so like the one he laid out there.

1935
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: So you train with the Saints. So you're gonna have

1936
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 2: thirty eight and forty, and you're gonna have three third

1937
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: round picks, so you can get back into the first

1938
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 2: from there. Even if the Saints get a quarterback, if

1939
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: it's one of these quarterbacks, that first round pick next

1940
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 2: year is probably still a top ten pick. I might

1941
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: I don't trust the Saints to figure it out.

1942
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: I might do that I need a first round picking

1943
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: this draft.

1944
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 2: Well, you're essentially you're getting us I think he said, second, third,

1945
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: and fourth, right, So you're still gonna pick in the first,

1946
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 2: but you just have to move We did this the

1947
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: other week with DK metcalf right.

1948
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: About swapping picks.

1949
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, no, remember I said, well if you move up

1950
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: to twenty three and then you trade twenty three, and

1951
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: then you said, well why not just give them what

1952
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: they need to move up to twenty three? Right, Yeah,

1953
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: So if you're just getting the Saints are giving you

1954
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: the ammunition to move back up, you just have to

1955
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: do that other trade. You're still gonna pick in the

1956
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 2: first round. You just have to make another trade.

1957
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh, you'd have to make another trade. So are they

1958
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: making the other trade? I don't know.

1959
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: I would assume so Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like,

1960
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: if I know I can get back into the twenties

1961
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: and get one of the tackles, I might do that

1962
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 2: because you're that Saints. I don't think Saints are figuring

1963
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: it out. I really don't. I think that's gonna be

1964
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: a high pick next year.

1965
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I know you like to pick from next year. I

1966
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: don't I understand where you guys are coming from. I

1967
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: I think that there's a there's an energy that needs

1968
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: to shift here. I don't mean to go all Jayalen

1969
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: Brown on you, yeah, but I just feel like if

1970
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: you don't make a pick in the first round, the

1971
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: excitement level just you're still the season.

1972
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 2: Just so if I can't, if I know I can't

1973
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 2: trade back up in the first round, I'm not doing

1974
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 2: it right.

1975
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: But even if you trade back up into the first round,

1976
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's the equivalent if it's for Connery or

1977
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: if Matthew Golden or someone that really moves the needle

1978
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: for people, I guess people will be excited. I just

1979
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be said. There's some momentum

1980
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: right now with this organization, with Frable coming in, with

1981
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: this free agency class that they were able to land

1982
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: on defense especially. I think there's a lot to be

1983
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: said for the fact that drafting and I know everybody

1984
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: would would do a cart wheels for Travis Hunter. But

1985
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: like drafting somebody that ILK is going to bring some juice,

1986
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:54,799
Speaker 1: So that's important.

1987
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: Here's the equivalent of it. And I think you said

1988
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: you would do this the other week. Let's say the

1989
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 2: Vikings call twenty three, yeah, and they get they will

1990
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 2: give you twenty three one day two pick in their

1991
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: first next year. Would you do it?

1992
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Why the Viking is doing that? All right?

1993
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Then the Packers at twenty two, I don't know how

1994
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: about the Steelers the text all right, the Steelers at

1995
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: twenty one.

1996
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 1: So Steelers at twenty one they're gonna get have no quarterback? Yeah,

1997
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 1: they may or may not be in on Aaron Rodgers.

1998
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I think nobody's in an Aaron Rodgers and I love

1999
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: by the way, let's screw.

2000
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 2: So let's say you're not getting the other pick now,

2001
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 2: because's a little bit higher twenty one in the future

2002
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: first for four? Are you doing that?

2003
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: And the future first for four?

2004
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2005
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 2: Next year's first. I need more than that twenty one

2006
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 2: future first in like a fourth I.

2007
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 1: Would do twenty one a third in the future. First

2008
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: four okay, so maybe that's going from four to twenty

2009
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: one is big.

2010
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you could swing that. But and the other

2011
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 2: part why is nobody talking about Kyle Williams is because

2012
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: he's a little bit older and he only had one

2013
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 2: year of significant production. But dude can play. Dude can play.

2014
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: He should be talked about more. And one of the

2015
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,440
Speaker 2: more underrated players in this trap. By the way, Lanzerline

2016
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 2: one of his most underrated players, and I talked to

2017
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 2: him at the combine.

2018
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Really good route runner. Yep. The Steelers thing has a

2019
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: little bit legs to me. Steelers have no long term

2020
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: answer at quarterback.

2021
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 2: They even have a short term answer a quarterback.

2022
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: They don't have a short term answer, but I assume

2023
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: they will right whether it's bringing back Russ or Aaron

2024
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 1: Rodgers for or Kirk Cousins or whatever. I'm sure they'll

2025
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: have somebody and that seat for a year. Tomlin dion Chador,

2026
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: like I could see that vibe working, Like I could

2027
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 1: see that mix of characters working in Pittsburgh. He has

2028
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 1: dk Metcalf and George Pickens to throw the ball to.

2029
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about with Shador that he's not

2030
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,839
Speaker 1: necessarily a truck. He's more of a a game manager.

2031
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: He's more of a trailer like, he doesn't have to

2032
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: be much of a truck, and he has those two

2033
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: guys to throw two on the outside. I could see

2034
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 1: the Steelers trying to be super aggressive and come up

2035
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 1: for one of the quarterbacks.

2036
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 2: I could you get Steelers first round? Well no, but

2037
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 2: they're gonna finish over five hundred because they always do,

2038
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 2: so that's not gonna be great.

2039
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be twenty it'll be nineteen twenty. Right, they're

2040
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna be.

2041
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 2: I guess that. Plus the pay whatever the Patriots pick

2042
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: ends up being, should get you back in the top ten.

2043
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 2: So if the Patriots pick isn't in the.

2044
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Top ten, I don't know. I just keep an eye

2045
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: out for the Steelers. That's all, all right, Let's go

2046
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: to DeShawn in Virginia. What's up to Sean?

2047
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 2: Hold on?

2048
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 5: My god?

2049
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 6: How's it going?

2050
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,520
Speaker 2: Hey?

2051
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 6: One thing that's the day that people are not really

2052
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 6: talking about it is that this team has been very

2053
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 6: very picky, very choosy when it comes to come to

2054
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 6: come to who they want. Did you know they probably

2055
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 6: could have turned this team into a Super Bowl team overnight.

2056
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 6: I mean literally, because if you actually think about it,

2057
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 6: they could have Stigne every quality free agent. It still

2058
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 6: has a decent amount of money left over. But because

2059
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 6: they feel like they're so entitled, they can feel like

2060
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 6: they're so picky, they can just go about however they

2061
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 6: want through and in a position to do that. And

2062
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 6: that's why it is a position right now. As far

2063
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 6: as trying to figure out who they're going to pick,

2064
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 6: people talk about who they should think and who they

2065
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 6: should not pick if they actually have gone at the

2066
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 6: players instead of think about characters, because you had to

2067
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 6: ask talk do you actually want to win or did

2068
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 6: you autual care about winning or actually losing? So you

2069
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 6: have to pick between the two, and character is a

2070
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 6: bit overrated when it comes to that notion that they

2071
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 6: want to, you know, put that ahead of production on

2072
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 6: the field. That's all I have to say.

2073
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you this, Sean, And I would say

2074
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: the one real criticism I'd have of the off season

2075
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: so far as passing on that DK Metcalf trade. They

2076
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: could have offered a higher second round pick for DK Metcalf.

2077
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: They had all the money in the world to give

2078
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf the same contract he signed in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh

2079
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: we literally just talked about has no quarterback. They have

2080
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: no quarterback. It's not a warm weather city, like it

2081
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: was rumored that he wanted to be a part of.

2082
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Think Pennsylvania's decent taxes too, right.

2083
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a very similar, maybe even worse situation than

2084
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots Tomlin and Rabel. I think Tomlin's got a

2085
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: little bit more of a resume as a head coach,

2086
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: but certainly not very far off in terms of what

2087
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: their reputations are and what they're about as a football coaches.

2088
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: That would be a criticism of this offseason to be

2089
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: or the biggest. It's not left tackle. I don't know

2090
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: really what they were supposed to do there. Like I

2091
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: don't didn't like Dan Moore junior Jalen Moore from San

2092
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: Francisco four get four years, twelve starts backing up Trent Williams,

2093
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: Like that's not a real option. Cam Robinson's still floating,

2094
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: so that means that his market is sour in some respects.

2095
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I can't really fault them for not going out there

2096
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: and get a left tackle, and I wouldn't necessarily kill

2097
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: them for Cooper Cup if they were trying to keep

2098
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: the room a little bit younger. But DK Metcalf that

2099
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: one I can't wrap my head around. I can't wrap

2100
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: my head around why they wouldn't be in on that player.

2101
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: And I know Tom Curran had some reporting about the

2102
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 1: fact that they were a little bit worried about you

2103
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 1: know what Deshaun was talking about, that he'd be begging

2104
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: for targets and in Drake May's ear and stuff like that.

2105
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: I think all that stuff is maybe a little bit

2106
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: overrated from the outside looking in, but I think on

2107
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: the inside that that stuff does matter to coaches, to teams,

2108
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: and just as two people that have been around this

2109
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: team for the for a last couple of years, you know,

2110
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 1: it hasn't always been pretty, and so I can understand

2111
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: why they come from that respect. But I would probably

2112
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,600
Speaker 1: push back on to Sean a little bit that they

2113
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: could be a super Bowl team if they had done

2114
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: all of this, they had.

2115
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: Signed with literally every player in frequency, I guess, like

2116
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: you said, but that's not realistic. I mean they uh

2117
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin, right, Yeah, they offered him like ten million

2118
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 2: more year in the Bucks than they couldn't say right.

2119
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,719
Speaker 1: The criticism. The critique to me, if you have any

2120
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: of their off season so far as Metcalf, like they

2121
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: should have been in on Metcalf and in Metcalf barring

2122
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf saying I Am not coming to New England

2123
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: kind of like Brandon Ayuk did. I'm I'm kind of

2124
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: can't figure out why that player is not a Patriot

2125
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: right now. So that that's the one criticism. I would

2126
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,520
Speaker 1: not say that they would be a super Bowl team

2127
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: just by adding Dk Metcalf. No, maybe better, I mean

2128
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: it would certainly be yeah, yeah, absolutely all right.

2129
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 11: Uh.

2130
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe at his pro day, by the way, maybe

2131
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 2: a guy that should go top three. Kidding, but completed

2132
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 2: forty five of fifty two passes one man routes well

2133
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 2: against air. He did have one pass broken up. It

2134
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 2: hit the roof of the facility. Should have gone outside

2135
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,480
Speaker 2: like Joe Milton went outside, so wouldn't.

2136
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: Hit the roof.

2137
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 2: He uncorked that insane throw into the wind. It's a

2138
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 2: great clip. You just hear some guy in the background go, yeah,

2139
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 2: I'll play well.

2140
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

2141
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 2: Going on?

2142
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 10: Guys?

2143
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: How are we doing?

2144
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 12: They were doing?

2145
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 13: You know, it's another day. My worry right now is

2146
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,679
Speaker 13: that they've put themselves in a pickle or a buine

2147
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 13: with not having a left tackle going into the draft,

2148
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 13: so they're kind of, you know, handcuffing themselves to pick

2149
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 13: him Will Campbell if he's there. That that's my worry

2150
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 13: on that. If Hunter is gone and Abdul Carter are gone,

2151
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 13: that that is my biggest worry that they're going to

2152
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 13: do that, because I really want them to if Hunter

2153
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 13: or Abdul Carter are gone, I really want them to

2154
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 13: pull back out of the pick and just move down,

2155
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 13: still stay in the top ten and maybe draft Tyler Warren.

2156
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 13: But that's just my worry that they've put themselves into

2157
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 13: this and they wanted to get you guys at take

2158
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 13: on that.

2159
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Mark, They have I don't know, back themselves

2160
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: into a corner is the right way of putting it.

2161
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: They have needs, like, yeah, every team has needs. They

2162
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: have some glaring ones. I don't think, you know, we

2163
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: were just kicking around trying to kind of come to

2164
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 1: terms of the fact that about their options outside a

2165
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter, and I don't I think every team's

2166
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: thinking the same things about this this draft and I

2167
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: one thing that I've kind of pounded the table for

2168
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 1: since I really started to get into the draft is

2169
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: this is a fits draft. This this draft is this

2170
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: guy fits our culture, this guy fits our vision, this

2171
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: guy fits a role for us. Like this is not

2172
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: a oh, this guy is just the best darn football

2173
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: player at four overall, and we're just gonna take them

2174
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: above everything else. I don't feel that this is that

2175
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of class. I think that this is one of

2176
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: those classes where you are going to have to have

2177
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: a vision in place for how this player fits in

2178
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: to your program, whether it's position, whether it's culture, whether

2179
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: it's all those types of things, because those are gonna

2180
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: be the deal breakers. Like it's not gonna be talent,

2181
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: like you're gonna grade Will Campbell and Mason Graham and

2182
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan and Tyler Warren and armand member, we're all

2183
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: gonna be on a level playing field in terms of

2184
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: great based off the tape and by all the you know,

2185
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: all the things that get baked into the grade, It's

2186
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna come down to who you like the most in

2187
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: terms of positional value, in terms of need on the

2188
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: football team, in terms of culture. And that's I think

2189
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: what's challenging about this draft is because we aren't on

2190
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: the inside, and we don't really know how they rank

2191
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: these guys in those types of ways. And why I

2192
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: keep coming back to Campbell because he's such an intangible guy,

2193
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: right His intangibles are through the roof, and so I

2194
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: think that that could be a deal breaker. Now to

2195
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: Mark's point about trading down, I'll say the same thing

2196
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: that I've been saying for three months. Everybody in this

2197
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: draft wants to trade down. Everybody wants out of the

2198
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 1: top five. Everyone, even the Tennessee Titans at number one overall,

2199
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: would take a trade down if they could, if it

2200
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: would materialize. As of right now, and it could change,

2201
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, we still got what five six weeks to go.

2202
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: Everybody has their original draft pick in the first round,

2203
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 1: which almost never happens. It's unheard of.

2204
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever happened in the modern arm.

2205
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody has original pick, and everybody has their

2206
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: original pick because there's no eagerness to trade up. There's

2207
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 1: no there's nothing drawing teams to trading up in a

2208
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: draft like this. So I don't mean to like labor

2209
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: a point, but when it comes to trade downs, we

2210
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: all would probably take a trade down. Yeah, if I

2211
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: think that's option number one on everybody's Bingo card, unless

2212
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: Hunter and Carter, one of those guys miraculously falls to four,

2213
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: taking that out of the table. They're not on the

2214
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: board at four. What are you doing. We're all picking

2215
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: up the phones, right, We're all trying to materialize or

2216
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: create a trade that. That's what everybody's doing. But I

2217
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 1: think there could be some a little bit of wonkiness

2218
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: in the first round because of this. This is gonna

2219
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 1: be a draft where boards are gonna be widely different.

2220
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: Like some teams are gonna have Matthew Golden as the

2221
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: top receiver. Some teams are gonna have Ted McMillan. Some

2222
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: people are gonna have Tyler Warren as a top tight end.

2223
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,719
Speaker 1: Some people might have Colson Lovelin as a top tight end. Yeah,

2224
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: Like if that's more your type though, you know, Avis

2225
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Kelcey versus a Rob Gronkowski, some teams are gonna are

2226
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna have a higher grade on Coulson Lovelin. You know,

2227
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: some people are gonna really love the tools, guys like

2228
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart and you know, they're gonna might be willing

2229
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,879
Speaker 1: to overdraft a player like that, Like I could see

2230
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Jacksonville at five overall that's now one hundred and ten

2231
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: percent run by analytics and by nerds, Like they might

2232
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: like a guy like Shamar Stewart because he's a athletic

2233
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: freak and he checks all of those boxes and I'm

2234
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: sure he has great GPS tracking data and all that

2235
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: good stuff that they all love. So we'll see. But

2236
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 1: I think this could get a little bit weird because

2237
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be who you like. It's a it's a

2238
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: type straft, it's a fits draft, it's a flavor draft,

2239
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: it's not a talent draft. So it'll be interesting to

2240
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 1: see how it all shakes out. Uh, Tony is in Pennsylvania,

2241
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: assume what's up, Tony? A?

2242
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 14: What's up?

2243
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 5: Bro?

2244
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 3: Alex? Let me just get me out on this all right,

2245
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 3: been saying this for a few drafts now, but uh

2246
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 3: we gotta You might not agree. I'm hoping you do,

2247
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 3: but uh we we gotta to take the pressure off

2248
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 3: of Drake May and to make up the lack for

2249
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 3: our for our offensive line, which is better than last year,

2250
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 3: we gotta go running back at number four. We gotta

2251
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 3: get the best running back at number four, ash Jan Genty.

2252
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this because we could take it back

2253
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 3: from all the way to our first Super Bowl. We

2254
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 3: had good, almost great running backs all the way from

2255
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 3: Corey Dylon, uh Antoine Smith, Redmond, Lawrence Maroney, Shane Vereen,

2256
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 3: Steven Ridley, and then the last name was Michelle. But

2257
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 3: but we gotta we gotta take a running back to

2258
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 3: make up for the pressure that we're gonna get. And

2259
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 3: that'll take off a lot of pressure from Drake May

2260
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 3: if we have a run game, and then that'll open

2261
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 3: it up for the young wide receivers and maybe sign

2262
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 3: of veterans.

2263
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: Thanks for uh.

2264
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 2: Lauren didn't win a Super Bowl here.

2265
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: Maroni did not win a Super Bowl. Also not a

2266
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 1: very good player. So Sony Michelle won a Super Bowl.

2267
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: Also not a very good player.

2268
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 2: Maroney had a like sneaky, really good rookie year.

2269
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: He just fell off the Yeah, he had a really

2270
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: good playoff run and those if you go.

2271
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 2: Back and you look at that, like the numbers aren't

2272
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 2: as bad as we like they're made out to be.

2273
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 2: He just got hurt.

2274
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: So Laurence Maroney and Sony Michelle had very similar careers

2275
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: they have. They both had good rookie years. They both

2276
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 1: had decent playoff runs. I think that was Maroney's second

2277
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 1: year though, right, I.

2278
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,759
Speaker 2: Think it's even his second regular season was solid.

2279
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: I think he meant me, not you, when he said

2280
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,600
Speaker 1: that you weren't gonna like the running back take. But

2281
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing with running backs, and there's always the chance.

2282
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'll give you an example. Your your guy,

2283
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is an exception to the rule. I would

2284
01:45:56,120 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: say that there's always a chance that a guy can

2285
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,960
Speaker 1: elevate the blocking right, like he's so elusive or he's

2286
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: so powerful.

2287
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 2: But Maroney ran for had a better year his second

2288
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 2: year than his first year.

2289
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just a little different thing.

2290
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 2: And then he got he got hurt in O eight

2291
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 2: and then he just even in nine. He was solid.

2292
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 2: He ran for eight hundred yards and ten touchdowns.

2293
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: Not for a first round pick, not for first round pay.

2294
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 2: He was like a solid play. He gets a little

2295
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,640
Speaker 2: too much crap, like people know, people put him in

2296
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 2: terms of a draft pick. People put him in like

2297
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,679
Speaker 2: the Nikhil Harry Chad Jackson bust. He's not that kind

2298
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 2: of bust. I'll give you that, Like, he wasn't worth

2299
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 2: the pick, but he was still a solid player.

2300
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: He was not a draft bust back to gen d Yeah,

2301
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,560
Speaker 1: in the running back call, because that's what he'd called about.

2302
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 2: There here, I am defending Lawrence Moroney.

2303
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: Uh that there are a handful, small handful of exceptions

2304
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of guys that truly elevate blocking, that are immune to

2305
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: bad situations, but the vast majority of running backs are

2306
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:02,520
Speaker 1: need functional environments.

2307
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 2: For what it's worth, the Boise State offensive line was

2308
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 2: not good. Genty did that in now another story going

2309
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: from the Mountain West the NFL. But just to give

2310
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 2: him credit at because a lot of people what was

2311
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 2: Boise State's line? He was probably just running open. No,

2312
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 2: he created a lot of that on his own.

2313
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: But the take, my point is not even to crap

2314
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: all over the take. Yeah, My point is actually you

2315
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: just shouldn't make the take that way, right, So the

2316
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: take shouldn't be that gent is gonna come into New

2317
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 1: England and he's gonna make a bad offensive line look good.

2318
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: That should not be the take. The takes should be

2319
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: that we're gonna build it run first, right, We're gonna

2320
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: draft linemen, We're gonna draft Genty and just like the

2321
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Titans with Derrick Henry, we're gonna run the football and

2322
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: that Genty, his special sauce is gonna put them over

2323
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: the top. Eagles with Saquon Barkley, Lions with Jamir Gibbs,

2324
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: right like, it's gonna make it that much better for

2325
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,719
Speaker 1: nine ers with the house healthy Christian McCaffrey, Like, that's

2326
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: the take. That's the vision Dallas with a young Zeke

2327
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 1: right like that. It's that you're gonna build a line,

2328
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:12,719
Speaker 1: and you're gonna build it run first, and you're gonna

2329
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: build it around Genty, and then Genty is gonna take

2330
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 1: a good situation and make it great.

2331
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 2: Right, No, drafting Genty does not somehow diminish the need

2332
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 2: to add to the offensive run. It doesn't more he

2333
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: makes it more important. You can go that way if

2334
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 2: you want, but say, well, you know, if you draft

2335
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty instead of adding a tackle, Venerian Low is

2336
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 2: not gonna be that much better because Ashton Genty's back there, right,

2337
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I it's even for me like Genty at

2338
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 2: four is would be incredibly tough to justify.

2339
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're one again, it's not saying there isn't

2340
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 1: a rationalization. The rationalization, though, is that then you are

2341
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: building through the run game, so your investments are now

2342
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: heavily on the arm.

2343
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 2: If you take Genty at four, you gotta trade back up,

2344
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 2: trade thirty eight and seventy seven to get back into

2345
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 2: the first round. Now you're definitely drafting Ariante. Nursery says,

2346
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 2: you're left tackle because he's more of a road grader. Yeah,

2347
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,679
Speaker 2: and then you're you're you should be taking a guard

2348
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 2: at sixty nine like that, That is what that draft

2349
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 2: should look like. You should be a running back followed

2350
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 2: by two or even three offensive lineman in a row

2351
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 2: to fill that thing out. Also about a j R.

2352
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 2: Redmond reference, shout out JR. Redmond, Listen, JR.

2353
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 1: Redmond was a good role player. But if you're gonna

2354
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:26,719
Speaker 1: see a role player, if you're gonna start listing off,

2355
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: like we need to have Ashton Genty because a j R.

2356
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 1: Redmond and uh Antoine say Hey and Lawrence Maroney and

2357
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and Steven Ridley, that's not the argument you

2358
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 1: want Ashton Genty for because of Corey Dillon.

2359
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, yes, Ashton Genty is more he he would

2360
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 2: be better. They don't win thirty six without j R.

2361
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 2: Redmond though that I'm gonna drive and it came up big.

2362
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing jars.

2363
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 2: No, I get you're saying, no, you're not like and

2364
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm huge Antoine Smith fan. I really am. I think

2365
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 2: he's one of the underrated Patriots.

2366
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 1: Of all time.

2367
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 2: He was a high level platoon back. Yeah, that's like,

2368
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 2: you don't get at Antoine Smith without Kevin Folk, Right,

2369
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 2: Corey Dillon was the backfield. You're the famous Bill Belcher.

2370
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 2: Are you opposed to a was it a feature back?

2371
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2372
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 2: And Bilt like that, you know, because well Cory Dylan

2373
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 2: ran for you know, fourteen hundred yards that whatever, like

2374
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,759
Speaker 2: like where he's just like, well, Corey Dillon's at workhorse.

2375
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 2: You're drafting it. You're not drafting ash and genty to

2376
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: be Antoine Smith or Sony Michelle.

2377
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 1: If he's Sony Michelle, with all due respect, that's a

2378
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: major problem.

2379
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 2: Well, looks like we were just talking about. He's still

2380
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 2: a solid player, but not for what the pick was. Yeah, no,

2381
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 2: you're drafting him to be Corey Dillon at least at

2382
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 2: least maybe Well, apparently Corey Dillon's not a Hall of Fame,

2383
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 2: which I don't entirely agree with, but if you're taking

2384
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 2: the running back fourth overall, should be all of yeah.

2385
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. All right, Brad is in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

2386
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, real quick, Brat, I gotta throw my cloud

2387
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 2: in there, shout out of my cloud.

2388
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh my god, all right, Brad, go ahead.

2389
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:00,560
Speaker 11: Okay, I've just got a couple of docs, guys, and

2390
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 11: you know, see what you'll hush over because you're always

2391
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 11: touching on good points. Evan said something about we need

2392
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,839
Speaker 11: to focus on players that are a best fit opposed

2393
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 11: to worrying about anything else about you know, where we're

2394
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 11: drafting and and all that. They need to be a

2395
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 11: fit to our team, especially on offense. So I'm wondering

2396
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 11: if you think we should double dip a tight end.

2397
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 12: And for me, again, the only running back that fits

2398
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 12: our offense is Donovan Edwards. You can put him out

2399
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 12: in the X and you know, let him run down

2400
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 12: the field. He can run routs like a receiver, so

2401
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 12: you can put him in the slot and there's just

2402
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 12: so many things you can do with Donovan and he

2403
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 12: run a four point what a four to four of the.

2404
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 1: We're both Donovan Edwards fans here.

2405
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, what where do you think he'll even be picked at?

2406
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 12: And do we have it? Do you think we'll have

2407
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 12: a viable option opportunity to get him or And then

2408
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 12: I was thinking off though about the only person I

2409
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 12: would draft at four would be Travis h Oner as

2410
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 12: a receiver, and and Graham only bench press twenty four

2411
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 12: reps and the guy that other Michigan guy only did

2412
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 12: twenty two. What does that m And then that's like

2413
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 12: the ten reps eleven less than what Donald did, Aaron Donald.

2414
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 12: So that's a big difference in strength. I mean, is

2415
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 12: that gonna?

2416
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 8: Is that?

2417
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,520
Speaker 11: So that's my questions, guys, So thanks.

2418
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Brat, thanks for the call. We're both Donavan Edwards guys. Yeah,

2419
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: good player. I think a ceiling is probably the fourth round.

2420
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 2: Fourth fifth round. I wouldn't say he's the only player

2421
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 2: in this draft that fits that role. He might be

2422
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 2: one of the better options on Day three, but like

2423
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 2: Cam scattabow similar, I wouldn't double up a tight end.

2424
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: To the other question too, If you want to get

2425
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 2: one project tight end, that's fine, But you know I've

2426
01:52:55,800 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 2: been big on this. They need their draft picks to play. Yeah,

2427
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 2: they need guys that are gonna make an impact, and

2428
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 2: you already have Hunter and Hooper, so you're gonna get

2429
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 2: two rookie tight ends on the field if they want to,

2430
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,480
Speaker 2: like in the seventh round, take like a Gavin Bartholomew

2431
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 2: and that's the double dip whatever. But they should be

2432
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 2: fine in this draft taking one tight end.

2433
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love the tight end class. I'm really high

2434
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 1: on it. And when I did my mock draft, I

2435
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: was trying to talk myself into taking tight ends, you know,

2436
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: third fourth round, and I was just like, but, like,

2437
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 1: he's not gonna play, you know, realistically, especially at that

2438
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: position where typically it's it's a year one learning curve

2439
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of tight ends making the jump from

2440
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 1: college to the NFL. There's has to do a lot

2441
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 1: more blocking and a lot more of the details in

2442
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 1: the NFL than they are in college and in receiving.

2443
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like they don't throw the tight ends

2444
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: in college. Like it's just all of it, Like all

2445
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: of it is different, you know, in a higher volume

2446
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: than in the college game. So if you envision a

2447
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 1: tight end in this offense and then you think about, okay,

2448
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to earn playing time from two stable

2449
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: veteran guys and Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper who already

2450
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 1: have a rapport with the quarterback that have already played

2451
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: in this offense before. Like, it's just hard to get there.

2452
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: In my mind that that that guy would do it.

2453
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 1: So I took Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame in the

2454
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: fifth round of my of my mock a because of

2455
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: where he's gonna go, you know, early day three I

2456
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: think is a safe bet. And then B because he's

2457
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: coming off that a CL like maybe he is a

2458
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 1: couple of years removed from it and he's an even

2459
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 1: better player, you know, in twenty twenty six.

2460
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: So Michell Mitchell Evans, yeah.

2461
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 1: From No. Dame towards a twenty twenty three.

2462
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was just saying he played last year.

2463
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: No, he played last year, but you always have that

2464
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: like you're removed from the ACL, right.

2465
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say he played in the National Championship.

2466
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 5: Ye.

2467
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 2: No, I like Mitchell lobs and he can block. Yeah,

2468
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 2: so he's gonna be able to get on the field

2469
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 2: because he'd probably be their best blocking title.

2470
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,840
Speaker 1: He'd probably be your third blocking tight end, third tight

2471
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: end as a rookie. Maybe get him into some goal line.

2472
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 2: That's kind of got stuff. That's kind of guy they

2473
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 2: should be looking for. Yeah, I honestly, if they want

2474
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 2: to double up a tight end Robb Utes, that's that's

2475
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 2: what you're doing. You take a developmental tight end, take

2476
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 2: a Mitchell No, you take like a Mitchell Evans or

2477
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 2: Terrence Ferguson or somebody early on day three, and then

2478
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 2: you take robb you utes later, who's going to be

2479
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 2: kind of a move fall back. But he can line

2480
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 2: up on the line of scrimmage, put his hand in

2481
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 2: the dirt and do all that if you need him

2482
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 2: too as well. That's how I would double up a

2483
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 2: tight end.

2484
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we got all these calls coming in.

2485
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 2: Great. If you a rapid rapid fire lightning round.

2486
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: Tyler's in Cincinnati. What's up Tyler lightning round?

2487
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 12: Guys.

2488
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 15: I just want to know if you guys had looked

2489
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 15: potentially like late round pick, maybe like Tommy Malott or

2490
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 15: Tommy Malow. He's a quarterback, former wide receiver from like

2491
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 15: Montana State. I was just wondering if you guys looked

2492
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 15: into him and all what your thoughts were for like

2493
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 15: a late round pick.

2494
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, I've heard of Tommy Merlow. I'll give you that.

2495
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 2: I mean, no, we're still chasing Edelman and he's an

2496
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 2: option quarterback at it's of success at the FCS level.

2497
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 2: It's played a little bit of wide rect. He's gonna

2498
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,640
Speaker 2: be a late day three pick or UDFA and it's him,

2499
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 2: and is it ft Chisholm? Right, Yeah, like that who

2500
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:10,120
Speaker 2: I think was a quarterback before more receiver he is

2501
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 2: a receiver.

2502
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: Is at one of the All Star games. I don't

2503
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: remember what, Yeah it was, but yeah, I've I saw

2504
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 1: him a little bit. I don't know if it was

2505
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: the Shriner, the Senior Bowl. I feel like he was

2506
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 1: at one of those games. I could be wrong, but yeah,

2507
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean you know we're chasing Edelman.

2508
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, And I mean look bring him in

2509
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 2: as the udf A, see what happen. Sure, Like I'm

2510
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 2: not against.

2511
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Those guys are theoretically with McDaniel's back, you know, in

2512
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: play Gunner Oshsky, Riley, Mccaeron Braxon, Barrios, Julian Edelman, Like

2513
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 1: those guys are all kind of back in play, right,

2514
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah? Why why are you laughing.

2515
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 2: You know why I'm laughing?

2516
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 1: All right? Uh, Chet is in Philly. What's up? Chet?

2517
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 8: Hey?

2518
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 6: What's up?

2519
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 10: Guys.

2520
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys taking.

2521
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 1: The call, no problem.

2522
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 2: What are you doing good?

2523
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 4: Evan bick Fanny. I follow you on Twitter. You bring

2524
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 4: me a lot of my stuff. What I'll say is,

2525
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 4: first off, like I really appreciate that you guys don't

2526
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 4: do a lot of the gas lighting that we get

2527
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 4: from the regular radio, but you know, to actually talk

2528
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 4: football as much as you know, we're like we're going

2529
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 4: off about the whole mac Hollands thing and all of

2530
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 4: the lack of super high end depth. I'm happy that

2531
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 4: you guys actually realized and talked about already that like

2532
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 4: there's not gonna be a superstar guy that's gonna leave

2533
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 4: their good situation to try to come to this rebuilding team,

2534
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 4: and we're gonna actually have to build from the ground up.

2535
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 4: And now I will also say, like we still have

2536
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 4: a couple pieces that like we can probably take a

2537
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 4: couple of mid round flyers, like you know, all of

2538
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 4: those Trey Harris type guys, those around two round three

2539
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 4: type receivers, those Jaden Higgins guys in round two, round three,

2540
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 4: try to take a flyer on one of those and

2541
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 4: actually hope that, like you know, a couple of these

2542
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 4: young guys developed, like a lot of people aren't really

2543
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 4: talking about them. But when I watched him in the

2544
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 4: preseason last year, the guy that I would have thought

2545
01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 4: would have got cut after the preseason, they stowed to

2546
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 4: quick Jackson away last year, and I was a really

2547
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 4: big fan of watching him in the preseason. I was

2548
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 4: the guy that caught the post from Joe Milton in

2549
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 4: the preseason, if you remember him, and they kept him

2550
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 4: around all year despite him being hurt and being like

2551
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 4: a small school prospect. So I'm very intrigued to how

2552
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 4: good he could be and maybe he might be that

2553
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:20,120
Speaker 4: damnfield director. He has that kind of Calvin Ridley, and

2554
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you notice the social media, his

2555
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 4: name is Quae rid He played Division two football from

2556
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 4: California University of PA and his nickname was quite ridd

2557
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 4: because people say he used to move like Calvin Ridley.

2558
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I feel like maybe he could

2559
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 4: be one of those guys that might make a little

2560
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 4: splash as the person that nobody's really thinking about in

2561
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 4: this offense.

2562
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for the college. I appreciate it, and I appreciate

2563
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: you guys following us and everything. I always say the

2564
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,120
Speaker 1: same thing about guys like that, like, great if it happens.

2565
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm not counting on it by any means, but yeah, look,

2566
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 1: I understand that some people think I give this take,

2567
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:55,400
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to carry water and things

2568
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: like that, but there's just a long way to go,

2569
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 1: and you and I are big draft guys. To us.

2570
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 1: The draft is a big thing, you know. You know,

2571
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 1: you add a lot of talent if you're good at

2572
01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 1: it through the draft. And I understand that people Patriots

2573
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:12,320
Speaker 1: Nation is probably a little bit skeptical about their ability

2574
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: to draft, especially outside the first round. You know, Christian

2575
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 1: Gonzales and Drake may were great picks, but they don't

2576
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 1: really have much to show out of those two classes

2577
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 1: outside of those two guys. So I get all of that,

2578
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: but I would just say, you know, let's wait until

2579
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 1: we overreact about the lack of weapons until after, you know,

2580
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 1: April twenty sixth, when the draft is over. Because if

2581
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: Travis Hunters on this football team, if Ted McMillan's on

2582
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: this football team, if Luther Burden's on this football team.

2583
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:42,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna change how we feel about the team. And

2584
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a receiver in the top one hundred.

2585
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:46,560
Speaker 1: I feel confident saying that. I don't know if it'll

2586
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,680
Speaker 1: be first round, third round, I don't know where, but

2587
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a receiver and hopefully they take the

2588
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 1: right one right And I understand that that hasn't gone

2589
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 1: well for them. I totally do, but I just want

2590
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 1: to I don't want to get out over my skis.

2591
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 1: And Week one, you know, free agency, where are the weapons?

2592
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 1: They're neglecting the offense. And then in April, all of

2593
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, Travis Hunter is being presented on

2594
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 1: the field as their first round pick. We're all gonna

2595
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: look like morons. So just yeah, let's see what happened.

2596
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,480
Speaker 2: Look, we can do you can do it all collectively,

2597
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 2: is what I'll tell people. Why aren't you talking about it, because,

2598
02:00:15,320 --> 02:00:17,320
Speaker 2: like you said, it's in process, and we even talked

2599
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 2: about earlier. We don't love that they missed out on

2600
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. If they don't have receivers to If they

2601
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:25,280
Speaker 2: don't have receivers today, they're still not gonna have receivers

2602
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 2: on April twenty seventh. Addressing it on April twenty seventh

2603
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 2: is no different, right, It's it's even more so.

2604
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 5: So.

2605
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:34,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you. I think they'll ad somebody.

2606
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 2: Will it be enough? I don't know. But yeah, well,

2607
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:41,480
Speaker 2: well I'm not gonna fault them for not drafting receivers

2608
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 2: before the draft. I'll talk about DK Metcalf because I

2609
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 2: think that was a missed opportunity, but I'm not gonna

2610
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 2: go further than that yet.

2611
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we have these two last calls and

2612
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 1: we got to wrap it up, but just really quickly.

2613
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: I also have come to terms with the fact I

2614
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: guess that they might need proof of concept before they

2615
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: draw the DK Metcalf the Chris God And by proof

2616
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 1: of concept, you know, I go back to the Bills.

2617
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:06,040
Speaker 1: I know. I know. Josh Allen, YadA, YadA, YadA, gold

2618
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:10,480
Speaker 1: bye boy. Josh Allen in his second season goes ten

2619
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:13,480
Speaker 1: and six, makes the playoffs. They they don't. I think.

2620
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they won the playoff game, but they

2621
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:16,240
Speaker 1: were in the playoffs.

2622
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 2: Is that the other loss to the Ravens they.

2623
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 1: Lost in the wild card round? I believe, but don't

2624
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,600
Speaker 1: quote me on that. The main point is that they're

2625
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 1: ten and six, they have proof of concept. Josh Allen

2626
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,600
Speaker 1: turns a corner. He looks like a franchise quarterback. The

2627
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 1: next offseason they traded for Stefan Diggs. Yeah, right, and

2628
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs opted to go to Buffalo, like he said, Yes,

2629
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:39,200
Speaker 1: I will go here because of Josh Allen and because

2630
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:42,000
Speaker 1: of the program that they were already building in the contract.

2631
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:44,839
Speaker 1: So sure, but that, yeah, goes hand in hand with everybody.

2632
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: If you build that, if you build it, they will

2633
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 1: come right. Yeah, So if they have a nice season

2634
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: next year, doesn't have to be ten and six in

2635
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But let's say they're eight and nine.

2636
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 2: I think they might have sneaked in the playoffs for

2637
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 2: what you're talking.

2638
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,400
Speaker 1: But let's say they're eight and nine and Drake May

2639
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 1: throws for four thousand yards and looks like an absolute dog.

2640
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:03,440
Speaker 1: It is just a dude, right.

2641
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 2: With this defense, they should not go eight nine. I

2642
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 2: Drake May's thorn.

2643
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 1: For four Okay, But I'm just saying, just play on this, Okay,

2644
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 1: they Drake May has a great second season. Mike Rabel

2645
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 1: is what we think. Mike Rabel is as a head coach.

2646
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: They are building there on this upward trajectory. That then

2647
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:23,240
Speaker 1: and maybe then you can draw the big fish at

2648
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:27,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So it might not be this offseason, but

2649
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 1: maybe it's next offseason. And that's okay. That's the timeline.

2650
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 1: That's the timeline that they're on right now. Ryan is

2651
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,600
Speaker 1: in Texas. What's up, Ryan? We got to be quick

2652
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: with these calls. What's up?

2653
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 14: Hey, Hey, guys, I'll try to make you quick here.

2654
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:39,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2655
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 14: Would you guys rather see Travis obviously, Travis Carter, Travis

2656
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 14: or Carter at number four if they're available, but would

2657
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:52,320
Speaker 14: you rather see Tet at four in wait for Connolly

2658
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 14: or Erstree potentially trading back up into the first round

2659
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 14: with that third round pick that we have, or are

2660
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,440
Speaker 14: you guys taking a tackle at four to kind of

2661
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 14: address the issues that we have on the left side

2662
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:03,960
Speaker 14: of the line.

2663
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks, Ryan, that seems to be the number one question.

2664
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 1: I think we're both in the same camp. We're taking

2665
02:03:09,560 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 1: Hunter Carter if they're.

2666
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:13,520
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, Carter Hunter won two in that order.

2667
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 1: If they're not there, I think the Patriots will take

2668
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:18,840
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. That's what I think they will do. But

2669
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,280
Speaker 1: I would probably take a.

2670
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,240
Speaker 2: Receiver there still you would take Ted McMillan.

2671
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 1: I probably.

2672
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 2: Well, No, we did this exercise earlier. You said you

2673
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 2: would take Campbell.

2674
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 1: I think they'll take Campbell.

2675
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:30,720
Speaker 2: No, you said you would. We did, said you editor

2676
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 2: on the.

2677
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 1: Climb all over the place. Now I don't know.

2678
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,920
Speaker 2: I said, you're on the clock. We're getting we did

2679
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:40,080
Speaker 2: exact exercise. You're you personally are running the team. You're

2680
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:42,800
Speaker 2: on the clock, Carter, I said, I'm both gone, there's

2681
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 2: no calls, okay.

2682
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:46,400
Speaker 1: And you said Campbell. Okay, all right, you're right. I

2683
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:48,120
Speaker 1: did say Campbell. I'll stick with Campbell.

2684
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:49,880
Speaker 2: Okay, but what.

2685
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather happen would obviously be to take a Kylie

2686
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:55,120
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and then trade back up into the first round. Yeah,

2687
02:03:55,240 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 1: but if that's not if that's not a scenario, Campbell Campbell, Okay, Okay,

2688
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: he did that exact exercise.

2689
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm just making sure you're consistent. Yeah, I don't want

2690
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:05,880
Speaker 2: people changing your opinion.

2691
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: Oh, they do it all the time.

2692
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:08,440
Speaker 2: I know. I'm trying to help you out. I'm looking

2693
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:08,960
Speaker 2: out for you.

2694
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:11,160
Speaker 1: Okay. Ben is in Philly. What's up? Ben?

2695
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, how are you good?

2696
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 1: How are you doing well.

2697
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,520
Speaker 16: I'm just curious on your take. Do you think it

2698
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 16: is possible for the Patriots to develop a wide receiver

2699
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 16: at this point or is a player like Will Campbell

2700
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:31,080
Speaker 16: just more dependable because of their development history.

2701
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Ben. This was something else

2702
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: that we talked about yesterday on PU that is starting

2703
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:39,320
Speaker 1: to like, you know, I don't know if irritates the

2704
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 1: right word, but like I don't, I don't really understand

2705
02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: what like their failure with Nikhil Harry or Taekwon Thoron

2706
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: has anything to do with Mike Rabel. Like, Mike Rabel

2707
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:50,200
Speaker 1: is not here when those things happen. He was not

2708
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:53,760
Speaker 1: the head coach, he was not the the What I

2709
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 1: think is the is the lead football czar in New England.

2710
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, like Mike able to not draft those guys,

2711
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 1: He did not coach those guys, and it has nothing

2712
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:03,480
Speaker 1: to do with him.

2713
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 2: Well, Josh McDaniels was here for Nikhil Harry, sure.

2714
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: But my point being is just I'm not gonna hold

2715
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry, Taekwon Thorion, Aaron Dobson, Chad Jackson like I'm

2716
02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: not gonna hold Hale pol Bethel Johnson. I'm not gonna

2717
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: hold those guys against Mike Rabel. I'm not.

2718
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 2: I'll say this, Todd Downing has never coached receivers before.

2719
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:25,040
Speaker 2: Very experienced offensive coach, but he's never been hands on

2720
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:27,360
Speaker 2: with receivers in that role. We'll see.

2721
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 1: It's variable. I'm I just until they burn me on

2722
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 1: a receiver and it fails.

2723
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 2: No, it's that's absolutely fair. It is a different group,

2724
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 2: but it's not a group. I guess it is, and

2725
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 2: it isn't. Rabel developed a j Brown who was down

2726
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 2: Downing wasn't the OC for that, right?

2727
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 1: That might have been Arthur Smith.

2728
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:51,040
Speaker 2: How was Arthur Smith? Okay, So if Rabel has Downing

2729
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:55,800
Speaker 2: hasn't McDaniels, there's a weird track record there because missed

2730
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 2: on guys like Harry, but also developed Jacoby Myers. So

2731
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:02,600
Speaker 2: the track record for this group, if I'm with you,

2732
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 2: don't don't put it on the old group. This group

2733
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 2: that's in charge is a mixed track record of doing it.

2734
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:10,840
Speaker 2: There's some hits, there's some missus. That's fair, so we'll see.

2735
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:13,760
Speaker 2: I don't think your point's not wrong. But that also

2736
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they can develop.

2737
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:16,680
Speaker 1: A guy if you want to go to Rabel's time

2738
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I know I've got a rap, But if

2739
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 1: you want to go to Rabel's time in Tennessee and

2740
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,680
Speaker 1: hold that him accountable for those picks, I don't think.

2741
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 1: I think he was forced into trading aj Brown and yes,

2742
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 1: drafting Traylon Burks, but we both at the time were like,

2743
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:30,680
Speaker 1: what are they doing?

2744
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 2: That was the birth of one of our favorite idioms. Yeah,

2745
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 2: the mystery box in the boat. Yeah, Traylon Burks was

2746
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:38,080
Speaker 2: not the right pick there, he was not the boat. No,

2747
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:41,120
Speaker 2: So we can hold him accountable for all of that.

2748
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,240
Speaker 2: But I also am not going to.

2749
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:45,760
Speaker 1: Hold nik kill Harry against him, Like I'm not going

2750
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 1: to say that this regime has an issue with developing receivers.

2751
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 2: But Josh McDaniels was here for kil Harry, I guess,

2752
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 2: but he was also here for Jacobe Myers, like it

2753
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,880
Speaker 2: goes it it depends.

2754
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 1: I know, But like I just he was here as

2755
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. We all know who was making the

2756
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 1: calls when he was here, Like, yeah, I mean, he

2757
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:04,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the one making the picks.

2758
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 2: I don't think. My point is you can't say anything

2759
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 2: definitive about this group and it comes to wide receiverses,

2760
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:10,840
Speaker 2: not enough evidence one way or the other.

2761
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't have any confidence in what the Patriots should

2762
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:17,320
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching and for all the phone

2772
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Speaker 1: calls there at the end. We tried to hang on

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Speaker 1: for as long as we could, but we gotta go.

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