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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we have made it to

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Speaker 1: the final week of the twenty twenty five season, even

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Speaker 1: though it's February of twenty twenty six, very confusing.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my

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Speaker 1: friend in his NFL network Polo. Oh okay, Greg, Oh

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Speaker 1: stop it.

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Speaker 2: It's Patrick Claybah.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's fitting because at some point you were

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Speaker 1: out on the road in July in the beautiful sun

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Speaker 1: wearing that polo. And here we are, still in the

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Speaker 1: beautiful sun in Los Angeles, and we're ready to crown

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Speaker 1: a champion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, shout out to our neighborly star ninety three million

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Speaker 3: miles away providing us with all the energy that we

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Speaker 3: use to enjoy this beautiful game.

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Speaker 4: It's spin it with spectacular people, Greg.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Patrick's energy is next level. It's almost unsettling

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Speaker 1: because I'm not used to it. But I think fantasy

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Speaker 1: lives done. We didn't do a game debut last week.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's just ready to go. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I've you know, pasted on even mentioning the guy in

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Speaker 1: the other box. If you're watching on YouTube, it's Oli Connolly,

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Speaker 1: he's from Manchester. We wanted to get all the most

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Speaker 1: important members of the NFL daily family in on this

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl week, so we got Ali joining us from

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Speaker 1: Manchester to talk a little coaching news and some surprises

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Speaker 1: that could swing the Super Bowl later.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Oli.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good, trying to match the energy that Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Is putting out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really Oli's natural state. I don't think to,

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Speaker 1: but we I think we can get there. Actually, it

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Speaker 1: was kind of your state when you came up with

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Speaker 1: an electric third act idea for Whiplash right before the show,

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Speaker 1: where you suggested, what was it that Miles Teller?

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Speaker 5: Do you have to beat the greatness into people?

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Speaker 4: Greg?

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Speaker 2: That is the theory of the case.

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Speaker 5: That is often how NFL coaches up rate is you

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Speaker 5: gotta beat the greatness into people and do not let

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Speaker 5: the talent fight back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in this case, though, you wanted Miles Teller

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Speaker 1: to fight back and start beating the hell out of

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Speaker 1: that doesn't actually happen in.

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Speaker 4: No, unfortunately, and then have a happy ending to the movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: It's a larger conversation about you know, stick carrot, what works.

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Speaker 1: I like to think of NFL Daily as a great

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Speaker 1: vibes place, so there's there's no stick here. And what

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Speaker 1: we're going to do is do one of the things

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Speaker 1: people have been getting at after me and saying, we've

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Speaker 1: really liked the news Coaching Updates show. They've given us

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, but you were really diving

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Speaker 1: into everything that's happening, and so much has happened even

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Speaker 1: since Thursday when Ali and I last tape that we're

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Speaker 1: going to hit a couple head coach hirings. We got

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Speaker 1: going to be most of the show. A couple other

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Speaker 1: about about Super Bowl sixty, which is obviously coming up

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Speaker 1: later in this week to end the show.

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Speaker 2: But let's start with Clint Kubiak.

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Speaker 1: Because Clint Kubiak is expected to be the next Raiders

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Speaker 1: Patrick that the Raiders are zeroing in on Clint Kubiak

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Speaker 1: for their head coaching vacancy. It's very similar to a

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Speaker 2: The Raiders hire him.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting that Clint Kubiak chose this job by

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Speaker 1: Why don't we start with do you think Clint made

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Speaker 3: Well, I think as we you know, kind of we're

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Speaker 2: To make, I think.

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to how much you believe

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Speaker 1: What do you think of Ali And I don't know

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the thing I've admned about Kubiak this

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Speaker 5: kind of pushing the bounds of what you can do

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Speaker 5: centered around how do I maximize brock Bowers, How does

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Speaker 5: that make everyone's life easier? And Mendoza to me is

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Speaker 5: Kubac it was I either get Fernando Mendoza and Tom Brady,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go with what you know, and sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: the devil you know over what you know. I just appreciate,

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Speaker 3: Man, I just love that we're there. Well, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: it because it's honest, it's true.

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Speaker 2: The Mendoza part.

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Speaker 1: I guess you never know, but I thought it was

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Speaker 1: interesting where I saw a few things about this higher

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald be able to replicate like the elite offense

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Speaker 1: that that Klint Kubiak has helped to degenerate? And I

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Speaker 2: I misspoke.

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Speaker 1: He of course was on Kyle Shanahan's staff with the

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay shanahan group that Mike Lafleur, who will talk

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Speaker 1: one thing I also thought was in it was as well,

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Speaker 1: Clint gets to, you know, hand pick his quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: how that kind of it doesn't feel like Clint Kubiak's

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Speaker 1: hand picking. It was like, that's just gonna be his

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Speaker 1: And so it's it's just fascinating to me that after

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Speaker 5: I think he hadn't picked him in the sense that

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Speaker 5: I'm going to take a swing, I may as well

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Speaker 5: just you can picture him and Tom Brady just immediately

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Speaker 5: I mean, what are you going to do dig into

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Speaker 5: a free agent class that as Malik Willis or try

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Speaker 3: And I'm also thinking back to the circumstances where Clint

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Speaker 3: Kulbiac didn't necessarily have the quarterback of everybody's dreams. You know,

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Speaker 1: One of the most talked about two weeks stretches in

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Speaker 2: But it was fascinating.

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Speaker 3: But he was able to coax that that level of

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Speaker 3: think there's cause to believe that, as you mentioned and

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Speaker 3: Alli pointed out, he can take what's available and not

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Speaker 3: necessarily be like, this is my system, this is how

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Speaker 3: To evaluate the talent, utilize that unique talent uniquely, and nope,

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Speaker 3: give some hope because they do have unique talent on.

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Speaker 1: This roster, and I think it could work. You know,

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Speaker 1: And they're in the super Bowl. But like ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: Kubiak has a different job every year. He's he was

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Speaker 1: weird feeling to know if you're Mike Lafleur that yet

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Speaker 1: It is fascinating Olie for him to take this job

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Speaker 5: It's a pretty poor hire. I'm confused why he decided

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Speaker 5: and so you take the only job available. You're the

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Speaker 5: you jump with whoever's left at the bar. We've seen

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Speaker 5: this movie with him before. We saw in room one

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Speaker 5: half of the building with the Jets. It was an

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Speaker 5: unmitigated disaster. The thought process behind what they did was

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Speaker 5: a complete disaster. It was diabolical. Nothing made any sense.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? What do you mean

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Speaker 5: I mean you have to sit down, Mike Lafleur and say,

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Speaker 5: explain to us the thought process behind these different play concepts, playstyles.

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Speaker 5: Why are you using motion in certain ways? None of

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Speaker 5: it makes any appropriate sense to the way football is played.

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Speaker 5: Just none of it motioning guys into free, open access

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Speaker 5: utilizing concepts from other people don't make any sense in

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Speaker 5: the game plan or to attack the opponent, just fundamental

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Speaker 5: areas of football. And that was him running one side

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Speaker 5: the building with Robert Sala hands off offense, entyler yaws,

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Speaker 5: I don't understand why a guy with that level of

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Speaker 5: run an entire building and be successful. That I could

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Speaker 5: be really wrong. Everyone's always wrong about coaching HighRes. But

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Speaker 5: everything that happened when he was running one off of

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Speaker 1: This is a case where criticism for just well he

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Speaker 1: it's on point. I mean, you asked why he got

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Speaker 1: you know, he was ahead of Clint Kubiak in terms

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Speaker 1: same job Clint Kubiak did under Kyle Shanayan for four

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Speaker 1: to you know, give him a little more money, maybe

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Speaker 1: now he's older. He's not old, but he's thirty eight

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Speaker 1: And how did he convince them that you know, he

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Speaker 2: For the job if it maybe just the guy that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we've seen from Arizona that the convincing

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Speaker 3: I think for sure, you do get some experience in

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Speaker 3: and then he winds up back under Sean McVay where

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Speaker 3: setting its coaches up successful where I don't know if

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Speaker 3: And I see always, you know, questioning of Lafleur taking

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Speaker 4: You do need to take them when they become available,

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Speaker 3: Get a chance, especially at a place where the power

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Speaker 3: of a lack of success that they've had. You can

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Speaker 1: That does That's true, But I think it's Matti austin

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Speaker 1: Michael Floor thought, I don't actually think we're gonna do

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Speaker 3: That's the safest option to have another administration be able

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Speaker 1: For But I bring that up to raise the point,

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Speaker 1: don't you think Ali, like, even if he wanted to,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's he's going to have that decision

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would presume maybe there was a conversation of well,

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Speaker 5: competing against all those guys in a loaded division. What

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Speaker 5: great decision maker, he's not bill sustainably elite offenses on

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Speaker 5: I just find it completely befuddling that he's got to

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Speaker 1: Jordan would be a great person to talk to here

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Speaker 2: I think he's a sharp guy. He's an impressive guy.

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Speaker 1: He's the type of guy that Seohan McVay looks at

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Speaker 3: It a raise where you can call every single one

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Speaker 4: Like you can you can raise the village off this

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Speaker 3: And if it's three years and you get fired, they

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Speaker 1: Cool, right, let's do it, right, I mean that's it's

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Speaker 1: You hope for the best because like bird in the hand.

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Speaker 1: Let's kind of just big picture. Look at look they

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Speaker 1: But we basically know the ten jobs that have been

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Speaker 2: Got to win now.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's frustration with with a lot of

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Speaker 1: But I think what's been consistent is, like we always

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Speaker 1: at least compared to how many there have been historically.

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Speaker 1: There's very few offensive coordinators. I think only two right now.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to one who got an elevation

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Speaker 1: in a second. But it's hard not to notice when

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Speaker 1: you take a step back, Patrick of like what this

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Speaker 1: coaching cycle was like in general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think whenever there's only thirty two of something,

443
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Speaker 3: the sample size is really going to shift dramatically depending

444
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Speaker 3: on small numbers and subsets. And obviously Mike Tomlin having

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Speaker 3: his position and for as long as he did and

446
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Speaker 3: no longer being there changes the way things look. I think,

447
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Speaker 3: because I know that there's always a lot of discussion

448
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Speaker 3: about Rooney Rule and applications, there's a general societal discussion

449
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Speaker 3: right with regards to hiring practices and opportunities and who

450
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Speaker 3: gets them that I think the NFL, through the discussion

451
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Speaker 3: of the Ruoney Rule, is able to facilitate. I know

452
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Speaker 3: where you know globally, where there's been substantial discussion with

453
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Speaker 3: regards to diversity and inclusion that has dramatically shifted over

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Speaker 3: the past few years, and I think a lot of

455
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Speaker 3: people got in, made their money and decided, you know,

456
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Speaker 3: a certain aspect was no longer going to be supported

457
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Speaker 3: by certain people, and they have made their money and

458
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Speaker 3: gone to a grift elsewhere. But I do think, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's important to have them to discussions right with regards

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Speaker 3: to who's getting hired, what's the decision process, Like we've

461
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Speaker 3: got multiple We've got a son and a brother being hired,

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Speaker 3: brother not in that capacity that we're currently discussing. And

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Speaker 3: you know, the forty nine ers are back with another

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Speaker 3: head coach as the defensive coordinator, or you're able to

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Speaker 3: get you're able to get quality guys with a lot

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Speaker 3: of experience back in certain positions because of the way

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Speaker 3: that they're viewed as as black coaches. And you know

468
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Speaker 3: that there's still not necessarily going back to Limbaugh on

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Speaker 3: countdown days, but the capacity for black coaches to have

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Speaker 3: discussions about offense. You know, you don't necessarily get tabbed

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Speaker 3: as the offensive genius in a lot of places, and

472
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Speaker 3: there's so many different factors that go into it.

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Speaker 4: But we can do better than three.

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Speaker 1: And like, look, Steve Weisch was on Twitter, you know,

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Speaker 1: commenting and everyone's comments like you've got to hire the

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Speaker 1: best person for the job. And of course Steve's response

477
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Speaker 1: is like, yeah, that's the point, like we everyone everyone

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Speaker 1: knows that. I think it gets to something that it's

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Speaker 1: a good point Patrick about like that the NFL has

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Speaker 1: tried to systematically like address the topic in a way

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Speaker 1: that it's it's bigger than that. To me, it's never

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Speaker 1: been about the Rooney rule, like the runny roll does

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Speaker 1: what it does, it's gonna like help or not, but

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Speaker 1: it's not really about It's not really about the rule.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the global problem is not you can go to

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Speaker 3: a credit union, right and get a better rate on

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Speaker 3: a car loan, but it's not necessarily solving the relationship

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Speaker 3: between labor and capital like you need. There's fundamental global

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Speaker 3: issues at play that they generally need to be addressed,

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Speaker 3: and you know, as a league with regards to hiring

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Speaker 3: and interviewing, that's not going to be fixed, but it

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Speaker 3: does allow us the capacity to at least have the converce.

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Speaker 1: So one of the one of the changes in terms

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Speaker 1: of the black Head coaches in just in terms of

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Speaker 1: numbers is Raheem Morris losing his job in Atlanta he

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Speaker 1: lands in San Francisco and he is the new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: He was on that Washington staff back in the day,

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Speaker 1: which is a crazy one to look back on. And

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Speaker 1: now he is working under Kyle Shanahan again.

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Speaker 2: And I believe he was.

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Speaker 1: On the offensive staff for him back in the day,

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Speaker 1: so he was working under Kyush. And I always remember

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Speaker 1: this this one night, Jeff Darlington took me to Hooters

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Speaker 1: as like a young young reporter at the combine who

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Speaker 1: didn't know anyone, and I was like, really, tell me

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Speaker 1: more about just well Dalington and Greg Rosendalt out in town.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he was a young guy at

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Speaker 2: NFL Network. Both were so was I. We we knew

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Speaker 2: each other when I was at PFT.

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Speaker 1: PFT was a good spot to meet people because everyone

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to be mentioned on PFT. It was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially at the time, but now it's like

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Speaker 1: a little power broker seat and you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And even just as as Mike's you know, assistant.

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Speaker 4: A small organization outsiders.

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Speaker 2: Good, yeah, you know, you met people. Anyways.

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Speaker 1: I always remember going to Hooters during that combine and

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Speaker 1: meeting the entire Shanahan coaching staff because he was boys

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Speaker 1: with all of them, and they all showed up at

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Speaker 1: the Hooters and we're just you know, having some wings

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Speaker 1: and beer and like. That was pretty much the next

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Speaker 1: decade of coaches in the NFL was that exact group

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Speaker 1: Ali including Raheem Morris.

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Speaker 5: All having a good what a setup.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was fine.

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Speaker 1: It was like a seven to eight pm, you know,

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Speaker 1: actually get some food in our bellies before going out

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Speaker 1: type of situation.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't anything too crazy.

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Speaker 5: Just there for the wings. I understand a guy to

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Speaker 5: say on what Patrick was talking about. Or the thing

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Speaker 5: that is disappointing when you reflect on the cycle as

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Speaker 5: a whole, is if you take the league by its

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Speaker 5: own criteria, just in this cycle, they massively tilt towards

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Speaker 5: previous head coaching experience, whether the NFL or college. And

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Speaker 5: then when you look at the defensive guys they hire.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned that some of the Blake, the great black

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Speaker 5: coach in the league right now, are on the defensive side,

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Speaker 5: are in that genius vein, right It's Brian Flores, It's

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Speaker 5: guys like that. And yet it's more in the vein

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Speaker 5: of raw rah coaches they hire on the defensive side

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Speaker 5: who have those kind of CEO capabilities. Of the defensive

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Speaker 5: guys who were hired, Jesse Mint would be the one exception.

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Speaker 5: And so it is frustrating to say that Vence Joseph

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Speaker 5: Brian Flores guys who have a real schematic advantage right

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Speaker 5: now and that might cycle out in two or three years,

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Speaker 5: because that's the way defensive football works. Are just completely

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Speaker 5: shut out and overlooked at a time when they really

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Speaker 5: would injecttion me, freshen you into a franchise and give

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Speaker 5: you a real chance to actually win some football games.

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Speaker 5: Rarovin just kind of set the temple big top picture

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Speaker 5: of what the franchise would look like with this hope

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Speaker 5: they would be there for ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point that those two guys specifically are

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Speaker 1: providing a schematic advantage that's been proven that some of

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Speaker 1: the offensive coaches that were hired certainly haven't proved been

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Speaker 1: proven and would be logical hires. Brian Flores doesn't benefit

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Speaker 1: from that, although he did get paid. We'll get on

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Speaker 1: to him in just a second after the break. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Raheem Morris to San Francisco. Not that I thought they

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Speaker 1: were really in a different tier to Seattle in LA.

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Speaker 1: But this higher to me just makes this division a

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Speaker 1: total blood bath. Good luck much right, just I think

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Speaker 1: it could be an upgrade from Salah Who knows either

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Speaker 1: way though, you're replacing Salah Ali with a different type

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Speaker 1: of coordinator, but one where you can see the work

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Speaker 1: a little more on screen, and I think could take

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Speaker 1: advantage if they have any shortcomings and they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: healthier on defense back to being right at the top

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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl contender list next year.

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Speaker 5: I think what it will do is allow Raheem to

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Speaker 5: be able to push Kyle Shannan more into the modern

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Speaker 5: influx of defensive style where it's not just the four

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Speaker 5: down and rush and drop into deep coverage. Every time

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Speaker 5: Shannan has maybe vierd away from that slightly, whether it's

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Speaker 5: Steve Wilkes or Nick Sorenson, it's a really short leash

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Speaker 5: before they return exactly to what Robert salahran before those

578
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Speaker 5: guys were in talent. Then he brought Robert saladback. So

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Speaker 5: this is kin to thread the needle to me where

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Speaker 5: maybe there can be a smidge of evolution with incoming,

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Speaker 5: whether it's more of the blitz stuff on late downs,

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Speaker 5: maybe it's changing the structure on early downs, which I

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Speaker 5: think is probably more essential for them, But that close

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Speaker 5: enough a line, they speak the same language.

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Speaker 4: Way.

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Speaker 5: If they do want to default back to just some

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Speaker 5: of the Roberts Cella football that close way, it won't

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Speaker 5: be this kind of friction intention as it was when

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Speaker 5: Wilkes was there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can already feel like the off season conversations

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Speaker 1: in my mind bubbling of just these these three teams

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Speaker 1: and going after each other. And as much as I've

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Speaker 1: thought the Rams and the Seahawks were the best two

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL this year, if you add Nick

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Speaker 1: Bosa and Fred Warner and get a little healthier and

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Speaker 1: make some good off season moves, the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: with Raheem Morris are right there. I can hear everyone

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Speaker 1: in the back like looking at this long rundown and thinking,

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Speaker 1: for the last forty minutes there has been an in

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Speaker 1: and out truck delivering free wait, really fresh hamburgers, cheeseburgers,

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Speaker 1: animal style.

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Speaker 2: Fries. That's it. Like maybe they have.

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Speaker 4: The shame get the fries well done in the truck.

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Speaker 1: I would think you can get whatever you can order

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Speaker 1: in the truck, and we're just honking, and we've barely

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Speaker 1: made it through this rundown.

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Speaker 2: We got to take a break.

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Speaker 1: We're going to speed it up, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk of what the heck.

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Speaker 2: Is going on in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Ram, I think Clayband's energy is contagious today because you

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Speaker 1: guys didn't even mention how during that first segment my

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Speaker 1: pen flew about fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Feet across the room, a total pros.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to put you on bluff because my

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Speaker 1: hands are flying around as they do.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were angry at the pin.

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Speaker 1: Chris Mabona has already cut it as a social clip

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Speaker 1: and sends.

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Speaker 2: To me, I don't know if it's going to be a.

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Speaker 6: Social clip that he's just thought it was funny flying.

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Speaker 2: Across the rooms.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the vikings in a second, but let's

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Speaker 1: give a little love to the rams we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about. It's time for delivering results, presented by Uber Eats.

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Speaker 1: When football makes you hungry, order Uber Eats. Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: and Lesneid got new contracts on Monday. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you can't make it to the Super Bowl, that

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Speaker 1: the next best thing is celebrating a financial freedom financial security.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had their financial freedom, but just just

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Speaker 1: extend those contracts.

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Speaker 2: You never know what could happen.

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay actually spoke to the media on Monday and

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Speaker 1: he talked a little bit about Mike Lafleur leaving in

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Speaker 1: Arizona and what could be next offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 7: Really happy for Mike, you know, awesome opportunity and shoot,

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Speaker 7: we'll get to see him twice a year now, so

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Speaker 7: happy for him. I did think that this was something

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Speaker 7: that could occur. You know, so we've got great candidates

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Speaker 7: in house. You know, you obviously just based.

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Speaker 2: On the rules, and I think what is the appropriate thing.

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Speaker 7: You know, you're going to do an extensive search to

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Speaker 7: really just dive into, you know, what's going to be

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Speaker 7: the best way to bring in new people that help

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Speaker 7: us continue to build and grow towards where we want

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Speaker 7: to be able to go.

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Speaker 3: And congratulations to Mike lafloor and for the anti RAMS

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Speaker 3: discussion on NFL Daily Contingency that is RAMS discussion about

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Speaker 3: Mike Lafleur from Sean McVeigh discussion. We'll subtract forty five

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Speaker 3: seconds from your overall tally. Congratulations to lesson Sean.

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Speaker 1: Is is that a thing. It's still a thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: it'll be sure. I wanted to just put it out

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Speaker 1: there because you know, Nate Shieldhouse will be elevated very

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Speaker 1: likely to offensive coordinator and you're going to hear in

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Speaker 1: the feed forties in free agents. On Tuesday, I talked

656
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah, and I think Shieldhouse he alluded to

657
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: really impress some teams and some people out there with

658
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: his interviews. So I think he could be a very

659
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: hot head coaching candidate next year. But it is great.

660
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: It is wild to think about less Need and how

661
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: close it sounded like he was to losing his job

662
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: when the Jeff Fisher era went sideways, but he ends

663
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: up staying with McVeigh and here he is, a decade later,

664
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: winning lots of game that was delivering results presented by

665
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Uber Eats. When football makes it hungry, get game day

666
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: deals on Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner

667
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: of the NFL.

668
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 6: Order.

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Speaker 1: Now the Vikings have fired quesse adophamenta not a shocking

670
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: move in terms of the decision. The timing was weird

671
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: because you know he's just at the Senior Bowl. It's

672
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: three weeks after the season. What changed from two weeks

673
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: ago to last week to make them, you know, want

674
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Speaker 1: to get rid of quescia dophamensa.

675
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

676
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean you would like to think it's not Sam

677
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: Darnold making the NFC Championship game.

678
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Either way.

679
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: I really put this on ownership Ali, because the same

680
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: thing happened with the last coach GM regime. And a

681
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: lot's been written about this, and we'll get into it.

682
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: I find this topic really fascinating, them firing him, And

683
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: there's been a million really well reported articles out there,

684
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: and we can get into some of them, but a

685
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: lot of them haven't really mentioned the fact that that

686
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer also hated each other's guts

687
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: by all accounts, and it was total drama. And the Wilfs,

688
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: who have done a great job building a new stadium

689
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: and they score high on the NFLPA thing and everything,

690
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: they're living in New Jersey. It's pretty well known that

691
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: like they're almost never there, and so I think you

692
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: can look kind of globally of like you just let

693
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the same thing happen again, where you're talked about and

694
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: written about as one of the more dysfunctional relationships in

695
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: terms of coach GM and how you put those two

696
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: guys together and you just did the same thing again.

697
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: So maybe he deserved to get fired. And I think

698
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: his record isn't great, but I do think you kind

699
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: of got to look to the top of like why

700
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: this even all happen in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the timing is just bizarre. It feels like they

702
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 5: did this two week order of going through the franchise

703
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: and where they think where they think things went wrong

704
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: this season. Neveryone just kind of pointed upstairs and said

705
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: it was Quezzy, and so they decided to throw him

706
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 5: under the bus while he was at the Senior Bowl,

707
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 5: and that could be fair. I think the track record

708
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 5: has been really poor. I think the free agent additions

709
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 5: were significant misfires, and I thought they were pretty solid

710
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 5: going into last offseason. The draft record has been an

711
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: absolute mess, and then he's made Paul calls with the

712
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: three biggest calls he's made a quarterback. And when you

713
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 5: have that many big misses, unless you have a good

714
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 5: feel throughout the building and people like you and it

715
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 5: feels like things are going in the right direction, then

716
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: there's only going to be one decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would push back a little. The free agent

718
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: pickups in his tenure have been good to great. I

719
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: mean the Blake Cashman year Van Ginkel. Now, how much

720
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: credit does he get for that? How much is Flora's

721
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: is like, it's all murky. There's been reporting that Flores

722
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: and him didn't get along that like flora Is like

723
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: one of the reservations he had and taking the job.

724
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Speaker 1: I believe this was from ESPN or or Matthew Collier

725
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: was which is purple insider. I was that flora Is,

726
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: who has talked about their great relationship he has with

727
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell and loving to live in Minnesota, had an

728
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: issue with with Questi and how that was all run.

729
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: The only thing I'd put pushed back on the draft

730
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: record is is horrible the trade. The trades he's made

731
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: in general have been bad, including some of the draft

732
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Speaker 1: picks like Dallas Turner. The free agency was pretty good.

733
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Speaker 1: I think you got to put the quarterbacks more on O'Connell. Ultimately,

734
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: I just can't really buy a world where JJ McCarthy

735
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: isn't his pick on some level, and so it does

736
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: feel a little untoward that all this after the fact

737
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: burying of Questi, just like fire him, and and maybe

738
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: you don't need to bury him.

739
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't want to.

740
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: I don't want to lump you know, my criticism of

741
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: the global conversations where there's a lot of in league

742
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: circles and the word around this. I would just like

743
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: some quotes regarding this this sort of rift from somebody

744
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: so I can get a little context into what was

745
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: what was the particular issue between QUESI and whoever it

746
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 3: is in Minnesota, be it Kevin O'Connell. I think that

747
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 3: that's where a lot of things, you know, were implied.

748
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: And I also I'd like to push back a little

749
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: bit on Dallas Turner because I think his versatility is

750
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: a guy who can rush and drop. Okay, provides something

751
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: happened that Brian Floyes was able to utilize successfully. But

752
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: the general overall art idea that hey, he missed on

753
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: Sam Donald. Collectively the planet Earth might have missed on

754
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: Sam Donald. If that were the case, I sincerely doubt

755
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: there was a circumstance where after the way that the

756
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season ended, Questiadolfo Mensa was the only

757
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: person insane in the Twin Cities that was like, hey,

758
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: maybe the this whole Sam Darnold thing isn't viable long term.

759
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: I feel like that was a belief held by more

760
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: than just QUESSI And if that's the idea that, well

761
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: he was wrong there, so he's got to go, then

762
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: there's more people that need to go.

763
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Speaker 1: It's been a lot, it's been a lot of covering

764
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: your ass types of reporting. But when you look at

765
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: the overall record, the draft picks have not really panned out.

766
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: You're right, Dallas Turner's getting better, Donovan Jackson could be

767
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: good their guard that they drafted this year. Jordan Addison's

768
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: been a solid pick. So the top picks we're fine.

769
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: The two twenty twenty two draft where he traded down

770
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: a few times and then took Lewis Scene.

771
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: Yea, and jml's being pretty successful in the trop.

772
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton was another guy they passed on for you know,

773
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Lewis scene Booth Andrew Booth was the pick ed Ingram like.

774
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: There were some trades around if you if you kind

775
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: of look, and Arifasan did maybe the best job of

776
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: anyone at wide Left. Go go support people who are

777
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: writing great content out there. He did a great kind

778
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: of culmination of all of the mistakes that he's made,

779
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: and probably the thing that stuck out to me the

780
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: most was how unpopular QUESSI is in the analytics community

781
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: around the league, where they don't think he really you know,

782
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: he like made the types of decisions that made any sense,

783
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: because if you look at like the draft value charts,

784
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: like he's given up in trades to move around the

785
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: board the equivalent of a number one overall draft pick

786
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: plus if you add up all of his moves over

787
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: the years, and a lot of his you know, decisions

788
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: were just kind of confounding, and there was you know,

789
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: talk among a lot of people in these articles that

790
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: like it was a sometimes he didn't build relationships where

791
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: just people in the building did not like the way

792
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: that he maybe did things. And so it's a lot

793
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: to talk about, like a GM of like this mediocre team,

794
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: but I do think it was kind of like a

795
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: fascinating window into covering your ass and quarterbacks and coaches

796
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: and Kevin O'Connell who maybe never really liked this marriage

797
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: either and for a team that's won a lot of

798
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: games ALI over the last couple of years.

799
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, even the stuff about the paternity leave and who

800
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: that came from. They won fourteen games after the offseason

801
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 5: in which he took some paternal to leave, so it

802
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 5: didn't seem to impact them all that much there. I

803
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: think the defense on the quarterback stuff is the most

804
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: defensible stuff. The Donald one is tricky, he was in

805
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 5: the building. It is your job to make the big

806
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 5: boy call of whether you persist with the first round

807
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 5: pick up quarterback or you bring back Sam Donald. The

808
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones one, I think you get to complete pass

809
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 5: on the Daniel Jones wanted a path to be a

810
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 5: viable starter. That to me is on O'Connell to either

811
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Speaker 5: make a decision or convince Daniel Jones as a chance

812
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: he has that viable path. They put the money on

813
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: the table to keep Daniel Jones there and he just

814
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 5: chose to go with the Colts, and it was clearly

815
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: the right decision for Daniel Jones at that time. I

816
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: think the free agent misfires are more in that twenty

817
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 5: twenty four class where it's not guides who are on

818
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: the fringe of other rosters and Brian Flores turns them

819
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 5: into superstars. It's spending the big money on the two

820
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: interier offensive lineman Ryan Kelly has the health concerns. Will

821
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 5: Frist didn't play very well on the defensive side. They

822
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: bringing two in two defensive tackles. All of them play

823
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: as well as the undrafted guy Jalen Redman, who's coached

824
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: by Brian Flores. So I just felt like the big

825
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 5: moves were misfires, and then all of the moves on

826
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 5: the margins were so beyond like the pale of league stended.

827
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Speaker 5: It wasn't as though many of them were defensible.

828
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look, he he loses this job.

829
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Speaker 1: You got Andrew Berry, who he worked with, kind of

830
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Speaker 1: you know, holding up the quote unquote analytics flag in Cleveland.

831
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Speaker 2: It's not great.

832
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Speaker 1: It's not great for uh, for instance, my guy Alec

833
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: Hallaby in Philadelphia, who essentially has been the number two

834
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: to Howie Roseman for a while, but certainly the last

835
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: handful of years has been basically out of like the

836
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: analytics you know, portion of the building for a long time.

837
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Speaker 2: And it's just like a flat out evaluator.

838
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Speaker 1: But guys like him can't get jobs or you know,

839
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: because ultimately the people in these interviews just see, oh,

840
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: if you've got like a good education and you at

841
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: any point worked in analytics. It's just sort of an

842
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: audio Mattic cross off for you know, guys that are

843
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: in these ownership meetings, like like a Troy Aikman Frankly

844
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: or or.

845
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: Like a or like in minute.

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00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, like the second I saw Troy Aikman was

847
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: in the Dolphin, I was like, okay, you know that

848
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: they're not going in that direction.

849
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 5: Uh.

850
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Speaker 1: And it's it's similar like in Atlanta, like when Matt

851
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: it's Matt Ryan, Like Matt Ryan's not making those sort

852
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: of hires and so uh, QUESTI turns out to be

853
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: like an imperfect guy. The paternity leave thing, just even

854
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: the conversation around it has just been I don't even it's.

855
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Not why he was fired.

856
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: And like the thing that drives me a little crazy

857
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: is like no one even thinks that has any reason

858
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: of why he was fired or anything. It was just

859
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: guys have to pretend that they're they're working hard, like

860
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: during the office, like I know it's during training camp,

861
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: and like it's a different work culture than other work cultures.

862
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: But I also think there's a lot of like just

863
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: bs of just like pretending to work hard, like he

864
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: was still working, he was still at his house. Working

865
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: during this entire time during training camp, it was it

866
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: just annoys people in league circles.

867
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Speaker 3: And I do think you know, with regards to those

868
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 3: league circles, they do exist. Some of them are a

869
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: little more inclusive than others. And when you have access

870
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: to the agent insider complex, you're able to get certain

871
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: narratives distributed out to people a little bit more, and

872
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: perhaps people are a little more reluctant who offer these

873
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: vague criticisms of you when there could be consequences for that,

874
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: where I don't necessarily think, you know, when QUESTI gets

875
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: fired and there's this overarching well, guys, if you had

876
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: been paying attention to the league circles, you would have

877
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: known this is coming. Right when you hear that, it

878
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: makes me think that QUESTI didn't have access to those circles,

879
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 3: and so I would just it's a long witted way

880
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: for me to say, and I'm very long winded today.

881
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: In my apologies to you guys, I would just like

882
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: some quotes if somebody did something that other people didn't like,

883
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I would just like the specifics of that story. Don't

884
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: tell me that in general, vague people that you won't

885
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: tell me about didn't like person X, for reasons that

886
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: you're not going to tell me. Tell me, what's the

887
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: point of all this access that we're celebrating these hypothetical

888
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: people for if you're not going to use this to

889
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: provide me with the actual information with regards to what

890
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: we're talking.

891
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: Because you've got to keep the access to do what

892
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: Greg right it, that's what's the point of the access.

893
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 4: If we're not going to tell anybody what the hell's

894
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: going on?

895
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, I get really frustrated with it too.

896
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: That the last thing on on the paternity leave stuff

897
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: was the part that annoyed me, was kind of circling

898
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: back after the fact and saying, to be clear, it

899
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: wasn't the Vikings who supported him throughout the entire process

900
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: and did not hold it against him in any way.

901
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: This was a storyline outside the building, not inside it,

902
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and I just don't believe that. I mean, yeah, it

903
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: was a storyline outside the building, but I know how

904
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: reporting works. And I also have seen Kevin O'Connell at

905
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: a pode unprompted bring up the fact that JJ McCarthy

906
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: chose not to be at that Thursday practice, and that's

907
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: when the whole season went wrong, and I really do

908
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: draw a line between those two things, because Kevin O'Connell

909
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: brought it up at the postseason press conference that that

910
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy missed that practice and that was the one

911
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: practice that happened all season, and he's trying to have

912
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: it both ways, and I think it's tough when things

913
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 1: go against you for the first time in your career.

914
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a very good coach and he seems

915
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: like a good guy, but it seems clear now like

916
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is no longer his guy. JJ McCarthy at

917
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: one point was his guy, and uh, just all of

918
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: it's a stew that that I find fascinating.

919
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: We got to move on talk about long winded.

920
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about just kind of the influx of these

921
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: young guys getting hired around the league. Declan Doyle is

922
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's new offensive coordinator. I believe the same age. Uh,

923
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: yepy none twenty nine. Anthony Weaver not really a young guy.

924
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: But let's just package these items together.

925
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 4: Sorry, Tony, he's my age.

926
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: He's fine, you know, just like michae LeFleur, by the way,

927
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: a guest of NFL Daily. So Michael Flair got that

928
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: NFL Daily Bump after doing our interview in training camp.

929
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: If any coaches are out there listening, that's what can

930
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: happen to you. Anthony Weaver is back in Baltimore now.

931
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: He's a defensive coordinator under Jesse Minner. That's a fun staff.

932
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: The Eagles have hired Sean Mannon as offensive coordinator, just

933
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years after he was in the league.

934
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: He's coming from Green Bay where he was the quarterbacks coach.

935
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: Josh Gizzard, who was just running the Bucks offense, is

936
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: going to be the pass game coordinator there.

937
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: So they're combining a couple of young minds.

938
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: And then I'll include the Bills hiring Jim Leonard here

939
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator. He's in his forties, but young

940
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: in terms of coaches, hasn't been a coach for that long.

941
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: Was just with Denver. A lot of intriguing names there.

942
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Ali what partnership stands out to you most that you're

943
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: looking forward to out.

944
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 5: Of that group has to be Declan Doyle and Lamar Jackson.

945
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 5: This is the guy you're intrusting the kind of final

946
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 5: embers of the prime to Lamar Jackson. He's now in

947
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: the documentary is John Elway right, is he going to

948
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: get one? Is he not going to get one? That's

949
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: how his career is going to go down the rest

950
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 5: of the way. And the guy we're interesting that too,

951
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: is the twenty nine year old guy who's been coaching

952
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: in the league what four years at this point. I

953
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 5: am fascinated by Declan Doyle. I think the pedigree is outstanding.

954
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 5: He's a excellent communicator. Is an awful lot of pressure

955
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: I think to Boden, a first time played call with

956
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 5: a first time at coach to say go and be

957
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: the guy who helps Lamar get over the top.

958
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: He was with Sean Payton in New Orleans and then

959
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: he was he stayed there and he was with Dennis

960
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Allen in New Orleans and then he ends up going

961
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to the Broncos as a tight ends coach for a

962
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of years.

963
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: So he is from that tree.

964
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Then, like like Ben Johnson who worked in to Sean Payton,

965
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: he goes and works under Ben Johnson as a coordinator.

966
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, a guy who was in college not that

967
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: long ago, like he was a student assistant in twenty

968
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: eighteen when Brady was getting his last Patriots Super Bowl.

969
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: That makes me feel old, and now he's an offensive

970
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: coordinator with your guy you excited. That is a fun

971
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: combo though, Doyle Minter and Anthony Weaver, I like all

972
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: three of them.

973
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: Yes, a brain trust. I would have liked some play

974
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: calling experience.

975
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: You know, you come up in the tree where these

976
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: guys are not going to let go of play calling abilities,

977
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: but you get a chance to see two of the

978
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: best that do it, one of the best that's ever

979
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: done it in my opinion, call plays and go through

980
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: that without the you know, worry about being the administrator

981
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: and being the entire head coach of a team, which

982
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: is an offensive coach you'll have an opportunity to do

983
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: if he successful, just snap the ball to eight, lock

984
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: it up and have people get open.

985
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: It'll be. It really makes them.

986
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: They're always kind of the team I'm looking forward to

987
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: most or very often in week win or two.

988
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: What are they going to do next?

989
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: But especially this staff, I'm I'm really gonna be curious

990
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: to watch them in September this year. Same thing with

991
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: Philadelphia surprising hire to kind of entrust Ali Sean Manyon,

992
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a lot of experience as a coach

993
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: to be a first time play caller. They're going back

994
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: to that after you know, struggling when they hired Brian

995
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Johnson a few years back. Obviously this year, last year

996
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: didn't go well with the first time play caller, and

997
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: now you have Sean Manyon with the help of Josh Gazzard,

998
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: like a couple different voices. But it does make me

999
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of excited too that they're like trying to think

1000
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: of someone who will maybe present some new ideas to

1001
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia offense.

1002
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: I adm them bringing you multiple foal guys as they

1003
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: go through someone else. Everything a lot is in getting

1004
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: the inbuilt insurance policy of Josh Grizzade. If things go

1005
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 5: wrong by week Kate, we throw someone else, We promote

1006
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: someone else in the middle of the season. I like

1007
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 5: them trying something a little different manuing from the floor

1008
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 5: camp that would be fastened to see that work with

1009
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 5: that Eagles talent. But it is telling to me that

1010
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 5: they were going down that list and they kept getting

1011
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 5: knocked back and kept getting not back until they ultimately

1012
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 5: settled on show Manya. I think that tells you a

1013
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 5: little bit about well the rest of the lead the

1014
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: league circles. Patrick so loves thinks about the situation and

1015
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: maybe the problems over there in Philadelphia.

1016
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike mcdan, I mean the coordinators who had their

1017
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: choice of jobs, at least according to the reporting, didn't

1018
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: want it. And that was Mike McDaniel and Brian Dables Specifically,

1019
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: Dabe would have been I don't know if I believe

1020
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: that Dable reporting. That would have been a wild combination,

1021
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: but would have been fun. Yeah, fist fights, look Dom

1022
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: doing his Joe Wayne. They run that organization. I mean

1023
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the next Fog guy might be Nick Sirianni. Now it

1024
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: depends on the level of the Fall I mean, they

1025
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: did win a lot of games this year. They weren't

1026
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: a disaster, but if things went really wrong, I think

1027
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: they might just who knows, or or it could be

1028
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts.

1029
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: Well, I've seen I've seen the Hurts criticism as though

1030
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: he had Is Rogers level in terms of dictating, you know, how,

1031
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: how the offense is going to be structured, like we

1032
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: got there quick.

1033
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think you're structuring it around his strengths.

1034
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: But I take it back, I actually think Jalen Hurts

1035
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: might be the next Fall guy. Man, We're we're going

1036
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: to break down all these coordinators in more depth throughout

1037
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: the offseason without well, I'm just saying it wouldn't shock me,

1038
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: and they've done it before. It wouldn't shock me if

1039
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: they draft a quarterback this year right at least as

1040
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: another option for Luck Siriani. It just wouldn't surprise me,

1041
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: like a second round pick. Maybe not get rid of

1042
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: them both, but I just don't sense that Jeffrey Luriy

1043
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: and Howie Roseman are just looking at their NFL team

1044
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: as like a lifetime appointment.

1045
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: I think they're always willing to make changes.

1046
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh rather was expecting to hire Toddunk,

1047
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: so they didn't get him, and now Brian Callahan and

1048
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury are reportedly in the mix for the offensive

1049
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: coordinator job.

1050
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: We just talked about the Eagles.

1051
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: There was a report initially from Jimmy Kemski but backed

1052
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: up by our Mike Garraflow, that Garifolo that Vic Fangio's

1053
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: future it was potentially fluid in Philadelphia, but it was

1054
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: maybe more fluid a few weeks ago, and it's trending

1055
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: towards vic Fangio coming back, but that could be part

1056
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: of the whole Jim Schwartz situation in Cleveland, where Jim

1057
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: Schwartz wanted to get it out of Cleveland, but they

1058
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: have his contractual rights. And as these jobs get filled

1059
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: up and we hear a report that Brian Flores is

1060
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: making six million dollars a year from the Vikings, I mean,

1061
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: can Jim Schwartz say, Okay, I want more than what

1062
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: he's making in Minnesota. Cleveland has paid over the years.

1063
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: I bet they'd be willing to do that. Maybe cooler

1064
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: heads prevail and he ends up in Cleveland. A couple

1065
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: other moves, Tanner Engstron, who was the Jets off defensive coordinator,

1066
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: is now on Kevin Stefanski's staff. We got a move, though.

1067
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: I did think it's interesting to see the report that

1068
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: Jody Allen could be selling the Seahawks after the Super Bowl.

1069
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Maybe something we talk about a little bit during the week.

1070
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: Not a huge shock if you think about it. It's

1071
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: always been this weird in between. She's the sister right

1072
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: of the Microsoft founder of course, and Paul Allen, and

1073
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of been this weird in between,

1074
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: and it's believed that they.

1075
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: Could be selling the team after the Super Bowl. That's new.

1076
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: The salary cap is going up by more than twenty

1077
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: million dollars. We found out about that, and then it

1078
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: was announced on Monday the Saints are going to Paris. Ollie,

1079
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: are you trying to get on with the talk sport?

1080
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: See if they'll increase the budget although I don't know

1081
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: what budget they're paying you and get you to Paris

1082
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: next year?

1083
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 5: All right, done has to be done. Mean the block

1084
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: potty guys rolling your on Paris Is. I think content

1085
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Speaker 5: for ever gone around.

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00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: I would love to go watch an NFL game in Paris.

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Speaker 1: There was a report that it's Brown Saints from a

1088
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: but the NFL has not announced that, and we are

1089
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: the NFL, so we are not announcing that, and we're

1090
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: not even confirming it because I have to say, over

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00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: the last few years, there have been more than a

1092
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: few incorrect reports about these games overseas and who will

1093
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: be playing in them. They always get the like the

1094
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: home team right, but sometimes there was a change. I

1095
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: know that the Brazil change. For instance, the game was

1096
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: reported differently. It wasn't the Chiefs initially and then it

1097
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: turned out to be the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: So should we should we go with zeroing?

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Speaker 3: In.

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: I'm not even going to.

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00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: Go zeroing in because with this type of reporting, I

1102
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: want it straight from the source, So I'm not trusting.

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00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 4: Which is what I would prefer from all reports.

1104
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would believe. I would believe that the Browns

1105
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: are in the mix or something, but that there's something

1106
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: behind it. But who knows.

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00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: Uh, there will be games in Melbourne, Melbourne, that is Melbourne.

1108
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: Well that's how they say. I tried to say it

1109
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: like they say it. They don't really say that Melbourne

1110
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: like like US Americans.

1111
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: But I made it.

1112
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: I made a mess of it.

1113
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be in Rio, We're gonna go to Munich,

1114
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: We're in Madrid, and then there's three games in London.

1115
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: So that is a total of eight. I think that's

1116
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: the total number for twenty twenty six.

1117
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 4: Big number. It's big number.

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: Should we take one more break and come back and

1119
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: do a few surprises that we know.

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Speaker 6: Swing back on NFL Daily. You know, when you're.

1121
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: Building this show out on Friday, we got big.

1122
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Eyes, you know, big stomach of like, oh, I'm not

1123
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna get Patrick's thoughts on Super Bowl sixty the rest

1124
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: of the week on NFL Daily. I'll get him on

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: NFL Network. People should check out game debut when it

1126
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: goes up. Our season finale might be the series finale.

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00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: We'll find out. I've been doing this for six or

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Speaker 1: seven years. I mean, at some point we'll find out.

1129
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: I I hope it's not, but it's been. It's been

1130
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: a thin slice of heaven. As Damashek would say, our

1131
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: picks champion this year, Patrick Claibnut, Well, that's a small

1132
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: sample size. I think the real wind happened in the

1133
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: regular season, and you took down an entire computer model

1134
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: in Cynthia and me.

1135
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: By quite quite a big margin. So congratulations to Patrick.

1136
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: But I wanted to get your takes and I wanted

1137
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: to hear a few surprises, just things you're keeping an

1138
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: eye on for Super Bowl sixty. Same thing with with Ali.

1139
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like it's it's the end of

1140
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: the season. It's a big culmination. But I'm actually thinking

1141
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: about next week and like, I kind of need you

1142
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: guys on the show next week too, So we're not

1143
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: going anywhere. NFL Daily is gonna be around, but for

1144
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: the rest of this week, in terms of talking Bowl,

1145
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: we're not going to have your take. So I'm gonna

1146
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get at least one surprise for each of

1147
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: you of like one thing you're keeping an eye on

1148
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: for this Super Bowl.

1149
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: Well, I'm keeping an eye on Greg. You know that

1150
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: one of my favorite things in the world is being right.

1151
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: I was wrong.

1152
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 3: I was very critical of my friend Greg Rosenthal when

1153
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: he pointed out the changes with regards to the Seahawks

1154
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: rushing attack run around week nine, where I thought that

1155
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: this was make believe it was a results of scheduling.

1156
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: They are the twenty fourth ranked rushing efficiency team, and

1157
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: now we're going into a Super Bowl against the number

1158
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: three rushing efficiency defense where I legitimately believe that Kenneth Walker.

1159
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Speaker 4: The third could be the Super Bowl MVP.

1160
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 3: Ooh, and I think that is That is my surprise

1161
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: that I am leaning on here, where I think the

1162
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: Seahawks rushing attack, as you pointed out, was getting better.

1163
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Losing Zach Sharburney does hurt. I'm not saying that minus

1164
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: Sharbonnay equals plus more Walker and that's that's plus good.

1165
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: I just think they're running the ball better. They need

1166
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: to considering the way that the offense has been going,

1167
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: and it's working out there.

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Speaker 1: They had they had a order of games. It was

1169
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: against the Commanders, who they blew out and they finished

1170
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: out that game well, But it was more against the

1171
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals that got me excited. There was a second half

1172
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: of that game O Drive where they just kept hinting the.

1173
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals knew they were running.

1174
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: I think they ran at like thirteen straight times, and

1175
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: I said, that's the moment they're running attack really came

1176
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: to life. Now if you look at the entire breadth

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: of the second half, it was a little up and down.

1178
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: How do you think they are looking ali on film

1179
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: running the ball lately with Walker?

1180
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: Because it is a different attack too with Walker.

1181
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: But I guess those are two different questions, kind of

1182
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: the Walker of it all, but also how they're blocking

1183
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: it up.

1184
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, the blocking it up isn't as impressed as Walker

1185
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 5: as he turns a lot of pretty poor opportunities into

1186
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 5: great opportunities. And I think that is the key for

1187
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 5: the Patriots is you can allow some chun you just

1188
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 5: cannot allow the huge explosive play that tilts the game

1189
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 5: against Kenneth Walker, the Super Bowl MVP, the thirty forty

1190
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 5: yardd Shop play, and the Seahaks is they've changed the

1191
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 5: kind of run scheme, and there has been putting more

1192
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: and more bigger bodies on the field where it's twelve personnel,

1193
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 5: thirteen personnel, two backs. The Pageot's been excellent down the

1194
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 5: close of the season facing those specific looks they have

1195
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: to struggle are when it's a bit spread out and

1196
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 5: they kind of have big bodies on the field themselves,

1197
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: when they can just go mass on mass, the Paget

1198
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Speaker 5: has been able to fund a real advantage jest. So

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Speaker 5: that is one of the key battles I think I'll

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00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: look for is can Kenneth walk just make a big

1201
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 5: guy miss and find some daylight and hid an explosive run.

1202
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 5: Or can the Patriots at least keep it neutral when

1203
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 5: it's kind of big on big in the trenches?

1204
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think the Patriots defense really has turned

1205
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: a corner in the playoffs. The weather has been a

1206
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: factor and the opposition has been a factor, but they

1207
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: have dominated this postseason in just a way that they

1208
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: haven't before. And I do think when you look, they're

1209
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: a very sound, really well coached fundamental defense, really good

1210
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: at tackling, preventing yards after contact after the catch. What

1211
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: worries me much when I watch them, is like guys

1212
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: scrambling on them, or guys just like making one on

1213
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: one plays against them, because maybe not the fastest, most

1214
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: athletic defense at every position, certainly linebacker, and so that's

1215
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: what Kenneth Walker to me. He's a boomer bust player.

1216
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I think they missed Heart. I think they will miss Sharbonnay,

1217
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: because I do think he kind of does what the

1218
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: assignment is more often. But more importantly, I think he's

1219
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: just an asset on passing downs. He's just a little

1220
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: more consistent for them. So it's better to have two

1221
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: guys than one. But I think you're absolutely right. Walker

1222
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: could be, uh the Super Bowl MVP. Why don't you

1223
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: give me a surprise, Ali.

1224
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 5: Surprise, I guess will just be the se Oaks offensive

1225
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 5: line in general. Tison to Patrick's point about the run

1226
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 5: game in Kenneth Walker, I think Anthony Bradford is shockingly

1227
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 5: like the pivot player of the Super Bowl. He is

1228
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 5: one of the strangest plays to watch in the NFL.

1229
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 4: The right god pole where the.

1230
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 5: Ninety percent of the game he's effectively throwing up on himself,

1231
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 5: snapped the snap torpedoes his own cent just forgets the

1232
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 5: blocking assignment takes his own plays out, and then ten

1233
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 5: percent of the reps all playing a true hole fame

1234
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 5: level in which he will completely explode the point of

1235
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 5: attack and clear the biggest cosm you've seen on film

1236
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: all week, so no one has a wider variance from

1237
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 5: between the best plays and the worst plays. The Patriots

1238
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 5: will hunt and try and attack that guy. That is

1239
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 5: the entire style of that defense is a really small

1240
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 5: crop of blitz packages, but it's just dressed up slightly

1241
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 5: differently each time. And they just attacked the weekly relentlessly,

1242
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 5: and so I think they're going to try and put

1243
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 5: the game in the hands up. It's Milton Williams one

1244
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 5: on one with Anthony Bradford, was just attacking him with

1245
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 5: different buddies.

1246
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not grinding the film all season long like Ali.

1247
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm usually doing the condensed games here and there special assignments.

1248
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: I finally got to that Seahawks NFC Championship game later

1249
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: in the week last week, and he had one of

1250
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: the worst games I've ever seen an offensive lineman have

1251
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: in a big spot and You're right, there are a

1252
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: couple like fun snaps and everything where you know he

1253
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: is you can see what why people would get excited

1254
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: about him, But he was a He was a problem

1255
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: for them, and so is Sundell, their center who's come

1256
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: back from an injury. And that that showed up on

1257
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: the San Francisco tape. I thought too, where you know,

1258
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: he got beat clean by CJ. West for a sack

1259
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: or at least a pressure a couple of times against

1260
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco, And then you think about where is the

1261
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: strength of the Patriots team bar Moore and Milton Williams,

1262
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: and you think, okay, well, there's one advantage in a

1263
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: game where maybe Seattle has a lot of them. I

1264
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: don't know why I keep calling it surprises. I think

1265
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: what I asked you guys was kind of just like

1266
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: just something that the average person isn't thinking about that

1267
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: that could swing it. Maybe that's surprised, Maybe it's not.

1268
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: Anthony Bradford, is a good answer. Do you have one more?

1269
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: Patrick?

1270
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 4: Well, I don't.

1271
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think it would be a surprise. The

1272
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: Seahawk have one of the better punters in the NFL.

1273
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Okay, and now that's it.

1274
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: It has been consistent and I know that you know

1275
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: field position, field position man football tunnel possession like what

1276
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: we saw in that AFC Championship game. There's there could

1277
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: be a severe punting mismatch here that could really really

1278
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: make things rough for the Patriots.

1279
01:01:59,640 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: A lot.

1280
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Probably hurts Bill Belichick watching the Patriots and everything going

1281
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: on with them now in terms of this FOMO. But

1282
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: he must be a gas that the punter disadvantage. He

1283
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't he would never have allowed such a thing. Ali,

1284
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: that that's a good it's a good call. Yeah. I

1285
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: mean I wanted like just some like left of center ideas,

1286
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: and you're right that, well, that's that's where I no, No,

1287
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's that's a good one.

1288
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Why don't you wrap us up, Ali with something else

1289
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: that cut your eye?

1290
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 5: I just think the Patriots is gonna have to have

1291
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 5: three or four trick plays, something that steals a possession

1292
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 5: wherever the fake punt, some kind of double pass, and

1293
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna have to uncold them early and

1294
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 5: fairly often. You're just not gonna be able to get

1295
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 5: explosive plays on this Seahawks defense truly by design. Maybe

1296
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 5: you can spring one or two, but they limit explosives

1297
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 5: so much force to take the check down, then rally

1298
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: and tackle bed than anyone in the NFL. They want

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Speaker 5: you to drive down the field, you know, long extended drives,

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Speaker 5: and just given the ricketiness of the Patriots protection, I

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Speaker 5: just don't know if trick making hold up for that

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Speaker 5: for six, seven, eighth series. So you're gonna have to

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Speaker 5: try and steal possessions where you count with with a

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Speaker 5: fake pun or a couple of trick plays there.

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Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to ask Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 3: No, he knows exactly what historical Patriots trick plays. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna run it. There's gonna be Julian Edelman to James White,

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Speaker 3: so I guess they're gonna be It's gonna be kase

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Speaker 3: Sean Boody throwing to bald to trivia Okay, okay, And

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Speaker 3: then you know, perhaps it's either that or it's the

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Speaker 3: other Edelman postseason play where you know, Josh just goes

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Speaker 3: back through his moments in postseason history.

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Speaker 2: How about some you know, they like the flea flickers.

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Speaker 1: They certainly like the direct snap to the running backs

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Speaker 1: on the goal line, Which why don't you bring it

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Speaker 1: back right after you just used it? In the AFC

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Speaker 1: championship and everyone got mad at you. That would be

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Speaker 1: a Patriots move only because it didn't work. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think that's a trick play, because they do that

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Speaker 1: enough that it just it's a good play.

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Speaker 5: I think they've gotta find one of the verable events

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Speaker 5: is we always hear about rise. He goes the rule

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Speaker 5: book like no one else. He sits on the competition

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Speaker 5: committee like no one else. Remembers the Michael Omannui the

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Speaker 5: Ravens stuff where they had the eligible lineman, the fake

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Speaker 5: ty ten stuff against the Ravens in an AFC divisional round.

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Speaker 5: They've got to find something that causes real controversy after

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Speaker 5: the game that we didn't know the rule, but Raves

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Speaker 5: and mcdoniel did.

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Speaker 3: What if Mike's been sitting on the absolute most game

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Speaker 3: breaking rule violation that's not a violation for years and

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Speaker 3: it gets unveiled this top Greg.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be very fitting. I think it

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Speaker 1: would be excellent. I've been thinking about that last Seahawks

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Speaker 1: Patriots super Bowl like a lot lately, and that was fitting,

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Speaker 1: Like in the that was coming, you know, that week

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Speaker 1: was a lot about the flake gate, right and just

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Speaker 1: and just the controversy and so let's let's restart it again.

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Speaker 1: Let's play the hits. Let's play like Shane Veren at

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Speaker 1: right tackle or whatever? Was he the one I was

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Speaker 1: trying to I was heaven and high and trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out was it Shane Veren who they were like

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Speaker 1: playing as an offensive lineman to the point where John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh essentially lost his mind and lost the playoff game

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Speaker 1: because of it.

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Speaker 4: That is right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they would have Michael ominaw Anuia on the line

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Speaker 5: as a left tackle, but the running back would repull

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Speaker 5: as tackle eligible, stood away from the formation, absolutely bunk

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Speaker 5: his way to define the floor in the rule. Anyone

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Speaker 5: can find it. I think it will be frades.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Shane Vereen, who I co.

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Speaker 1: Hosted a Super Bowl between the Eagles and the and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs with a few years ago on talkSPORT where

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Speaker 1: Ali gets it done. Uh, year after year was was

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Speaker 1: outstanding doing doing the London games. Ali, we won't talk

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Speaker 1: to you, I don't believe on the show before the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy it, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Everyone check out Ali on the Read Optional podcast and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, we'll be talking to you next week. Same

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Speaker 1: thing with Patrick. Check us out on NFL Network with

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Speaker 1: game debut, and check out NFL Daily in the feed.

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Speaker 1: Shortly we've got forties and free agents. That's a weekly

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Speaker 1: show that's coming up. Cynthia Freeland and Iowa also get

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Speaker 1: our final picks. It really bothered me last year wh

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Speaker 1: we never picked the Super Bowl, Like we couldn't get

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Speaker 1: the right time for her on radio row. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna tape it before we go. That'll be coming up too,

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Speaker 1: and then off to San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you there.