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Speaker 1: This case, I got to tell you it really hit

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that occurs in many of these cases. Uh,

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Speaker 3: Is chilling to the bone.

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Speaker 2: People oftentimes report hearing multiple shots, and in this case,

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Speaker 1: of thing. Not in this case, you can take an

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Speaker 1: X ray and put it up there. There's nothing necessarily

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Speaker 1: grotesque about it. You don't have blood and tissue and

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00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: all that stuff. What you do have is these little

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Speaker 1: elements that the bullet is leaving behind as it is

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00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: tracking through this guy's body. And it's very powerful. As

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, more people can appreciate the anatomical orientation

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Speaker 1: with an X ray than they can, Like, if you're

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00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: looking at a body that's open on the table, you're

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00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: not used to seeing that, it's shocking to the senses,

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00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: and they'll, you know, the physicians will point out, well,

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00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: we've got hemorrhage here and here and here and at all.

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00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: When you're not used to seeing these things. As a

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Speaker 1: jury member, it all the same, you know. And it

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Speaker 1: took me years working in the more before I was

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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: able to disseminate between these two. So if they have

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Speaker 1: these x rays, trust me, that's going to be presented

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Speaker 1: in court. The friends of pathologist is going to address

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: that in court, and they're going to be able to

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00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: show these these little elements along the way. So they're

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00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: they're really I think in this case, they're prepped as

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Speaker 1: far as the physical evidence, this connectivity, this big piece

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Speaker 1: that you revealed about the reveal with the tire and

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Speaker 1: how you can track that and what are the odds

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Speaker 1: that this is gonna you know, I know, And so look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've always held and I've always said this

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Speaker 1: about about perpetrators, it's merely a Hollywood device when you

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Speaker 1: have some master criminal. Uh. They do exist out there,

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Speaker 1: but they are rare as hens teeth, as they say

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Speaker 1: most and thank goodness that that's the case, because most

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Speaker 1: people do not think these actions through.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did perforated.

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Speaker 2: Bullet going through his skin coming out right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In Rambo three, Yeah, Sylvester Sloan has the gunshot wound

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Speaker 2: and it's he's got to gotta make it stop bleeding, right,

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Speaker 2: and so he takes a little gunpowder and lights it

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Speaker 2: on fire and you see the fire go right through

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Speaker 2: from the front to the back, you know, and screams

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Speaker 2: in pain. But then a minute later he's doing whatever

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Speaker 2: gymnastics or whatever. But that that wouldn't actually serve any

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00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: real purpose, would it, I mean, would that help.

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Speaker 1: That context what they're trying to do, what they're trying

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Speaker 1: to display his quarterization remember that quarter a wound, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and pouring gun And that's been done in a number

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Speaker 1: of movies years. You know, you're trying to quarterize those

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Speaker 1: in kind of serum so that you, uh, you block

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00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: off those little broken vessels along the way. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's done a number of times in the movies and demonstrated.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's ever been done in reality,

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Speaker 1: but I can tell you with the injuries that Jared sustained,

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00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: these were obviously catastrophic. The viscera that this would have

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00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: passed through and what I mean like the organs and

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Speaker 1: also the adjacent areas. When you begin to think about

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00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: all the vessels that passed through this area, it's it's

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Speaker 1: so bloody cast catastrophic in this in this context that

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Speaker 1: even if you had a team of surgeons there, Dave,

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Speaker 1: it would be really hard to tie all these off

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Speaker 1: so that he could have survived these injuries. But I

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Speaker 1: do know this, Jared, though he is not with us,

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Speaker 1: will soon have his day in court. I'm Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body Bags

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Speaker 2: Mhm