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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Welcome to Breaking Points. Sagers out six

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Speaker 2: so we have the lovely Emily with us. It's great

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Speaker 2: to have you onlie.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Sagers quote sick. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what he's doing. He was out last night.

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Speaker 4: We didn't double check, but I doubt he was out

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Speaker 4: last night.

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Speaker 3: We should We should send somebody by the house to

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Speaker 3: make sure that he's not.

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Speaker 5: It's not a fraud.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I need to a Democrat trustpoot, Verify Democrat hoax

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Speaker 3: like Affordability Democrat contract job.

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Speaker 2: Exactly lots of interesting things in the show today. We've

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Speaker 2: gotten new revelations about the boat bombings, We've got new

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Speaker 2: numbers about layoffs which are looking really not good on Molly's.

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Speaker 2: Are waging a meme war against this administration, and Israel

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Speaker 2: catching a whole lot of strays in the mix. So

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Speaker 2: you know, we are all over that pipe bomb suspect

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Speaker 2: is apparently a stop the Steeal guy. So we've got

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Speaker 2: some updates for you there. Hillary is doubling down on

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Speaker 2: her blaming of social media for Israel's reputation falling off,

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Speaker 2: and Sidney Sweeney is changing course. Now, you guys are

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Speaker 2: lucky Emily is here because I probably would not have

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Speaker 2: covered this one with U Sager or with Ryan, but

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Speaker 2: with you for sure.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, it almost would have been more

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Speaker 3: fun with just Sager and Ryan.

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Speaker 5: We made them cover since, yeah, that would not have

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Speaker 5: gone well. I would have gone well, but not in

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Speaker 5: the same way that we wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I pretty much know what Sager would say about it.

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Speaker 2: He thinks, my whole like sense that in many other

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Speaker 2: people's sense that the gap, the gap American Eagle jeans

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Speaker 2: ad was Eugenic's adjacent. He thinks that's ridiculous. Ryan, I'm

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Speaker 2: curious actually now that we say it, a.

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Speaker 3: Point interested you and I had like a debate about

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Speaker 3: that was the August we did. Yeah, okay, Soger on

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Speaker 3: my side. I don't know Ryan, as I guess then

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Speaker 3: the well ask it's the swing boats boat. We'll see

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, all right, Well let's jump into the show.

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Speaker 2: We had Tom Cotton out on the Sunday shows defending

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Speaker 2: the double tap strike on that initial boat that with

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Speaker 2: that initial boat bombing. Let's go ahead and take a

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Speaker 2: listen to a little bit of what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: Did you see any evidence of them trying to use

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Speaker 7: Well, I saw lots of evidence of them standing on

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Speaker 6: That wasn't my question.

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Speaker 7: Did you see any trying to get it back up,

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Speaker 6: Did you see any evidence in the trying to use

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Speaker 7: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 6: Job, let me ask you this specific question. Would it

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Speaker 6: be legal for police in Arkansas to kill suspected drug

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Speaker 7: Well, John, let me go back to the premise of

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Speaker 7: your question. The Washington Post reported that Pete Hegseth had

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Speaker 7: given an unlawful order of no quarter or no one

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Speaker 7: second strike. Mitch Bradley and Dan Kane both flatly denied

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Speaker 7: and complete lie. I just respectfully disagree with my Democratic

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Speaker 7: I think with the analogy I would draw is not

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Speaker 7: I don't think anyone would dispute that we had every right,

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Speaker 7: in indeed of duty to intercept them. But those drugs

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Speaker 7: detonate like a bomb all across Arkansas and all across America,

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Speaker 7: Our government has a duty to protect our communities from

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Speaker 7: those drugs. Exactly what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 6: Can I just take this in pieces and we first

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Speaker 6: answered my question, would it be legal for police in

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Speaker 6: in a lake in Arkansas? I just answer that, and

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Speaker 6: then I will address your question on the other thing.

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Speaker 7: John, the premise, the premise of your question is not

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Speaker 7: well founded. Criminals in Arkansas are not foreign nationals who

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Speaker 7: it would.

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Speaker 5: Hang on.

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Speaker 6: The answer is no. Would not Let me ask them

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Speaker 6: all a question. If they are terrorists, when did Congress

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Speaker 6: pass the authorized use of force to attack them?

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Speaker 3: John?

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Speaker 7: The reason why your question is not well founded. It's

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Speaker 7: like saying, would Barack Obama be okay droning an American

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Speaker 7: al a Locke verse.

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Speaker 8: You are talking about the president protecting Americans are Kansas

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Speaker 8: from drugs, and yet just this week, the President pardoned

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Speaker 8: the former president of Honduras who trafficked more than five

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Speaker 8: serving a forty five year sentence. Senator, how does that

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Speaker 7: Well, I haven't spoken to the president about that pardon.

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Speaker 7: There may be strategic reasons to pardon the former president

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Speaker 7: of Honduras because of our relationship with Honduras and trying

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Speaker 7: to move them in a more pro American direction. I'll

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Speaker 7: leave that open as a possibility that Christna I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, my general approach to crime is that we

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Speaker 8: So given that, do you oppose the part given that

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Speaker 8: you're you want to protect our kansas.

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Speaker 7: I'd have to know more about the circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So some very interesting questions that were asked there, and

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Speaker 2: just let me break down a few of these. So,

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Speaker 2: first of all, John Berman was asking Tom Cotton, did

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Speaker 2: you see any evidence that this guy was trying to

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Speaker 2: use a radio? And the reason that's relevant is one

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Speaker 2: we've gotten a number of shifting rationales for why the

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Speaker 2: second strike in particular was legal and justified. Now Tom

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Speaker 2: Cotton is actually right when he says that their problem

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Speaker 2: with it is the whole operation. My problem with it

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Speaker 2: is whole operation. The whole thing is illegal, but the

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Speaker 2: It's like the textbook.

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Speaker 4: Example of a war crime.

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Speaker 2: So the reason the radio is relevant is because one

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Speaker 2: of the justifications they had was, oh, he may have

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Speaker 2: been calling in help from his cartel buddies. So that

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Speaker 2: was one of the things that was offered in some

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Speaker 2: of this reporting. Well, Tom Cotton views that video and says, well, no, actually,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see any signs of them trying to use

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Speaker 2: same thing as well. The question too about well, would

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Speaker 2: it be lawful for police officers to kill drug dealers

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Speaker 2: on a boat in an Arkansas lake. We were actually

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Speaker 2: difference between we're just going to assassinate random people that

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Speaker 2: we are not going to provide you particular evidence of

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Speaker 2: who they are in the Caribbean versus claiming those powers

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Speaker 2: on our own soil. One thing I've been saying that

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Speaker 2: and they're claim that they are at war with these

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Speaker 2: would keep you from taking those sorts of actions domestically.

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Speaker 2: The other thing he gets asked about the authorization of

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Speaker 2: the use of force, also very good question. You're a

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Speaker 2: United States senator. If we're at war, does not need

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Speaker 2: to be declared. That is a power that's supposed to

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Speaker 2: war declared. And then the other question lastly from Kristen Welker,

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Speaker 2: there was about Wan Orlando Hernandez, who we have covered here.

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Speaker 2: That was the former Honduran president who is actually what

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Speaker 2: they're claiming Maduro was, and was involved in shipping tons

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Speaker 2: and tons of cocaine into the United States.

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Speaker 4: Had been convicted.

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Speaker 2: Actually by Emil Bouvet, who was fun which is funny

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Speaker 2: which really undercuts this idea that like, oh, we're doing

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Speaker 4: No, at best, at best.

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Speaker 2: You're murdering some random, incredibly low level, easily replaceable, desperate

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Speaker 3: We don't even they refuse to show their work as

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Speaker 3: to how they know who is on these boats. Yes,

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Speaker 3: like time and again, we actually have no idea how

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Speaker 3: they say how internally they're justifying They say they track

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Speaker 3: them and it's all totally under control. But the reason

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Speaker 3: I really loved the Burman question about when the authorized

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Speaker 3: use of military force was passed is that, well, the rumblings,

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Speaker 3: relying on the post nine to eleven AUMF as their designation,

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Speaker 3: which has by the way, been used in twenty two

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Speaker 3: countries already, and that is likely when all of these

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Speaker 3: lawsuits start happening. We already see some of the challenges

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Speaker 3: question from John Berman. And so Tom Cotton's point is

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Speaker 3: telling that Yes, he's saying, people who have a problem

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Speaker 3: with the double tap have a problem with the whole

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Speaker 3: operation in general.

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Speaker 5: Yep, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Well, said got a, sir, Yes you got it.

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Speaker 5: Because again, if.

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Speaker 3: We just zoom out take a thirty thousand foot view,

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Speaker 3: I actually think you people like Soger mean maybe you

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Speaker 3: and Ryan too, Crystal, but like we have a lot

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Speaker 3: of sympathy for the idea that some of these like

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Speaker 3: cartels not in Venezuela, but I would say like Sinaloa

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Speaker 3: or places that have been trafficking mass amounts of fentanyl

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Speaker 3: across our border. It's like, hmm, that's what we should

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Speaker 3: do something about it. I'm not saying militarily, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying nobody likes the cartels. Everybody thinks the cartels

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Speaker 3: have been trafficking mass amounts of ventanyl into the United

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Speaker 3: States and that that's a bad thing. What's different, of course,

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Speaker 3: is then saying that's the justification for using the post

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Speaker 3: nine eleven AMMF to take specific actions on cocaine trafficking

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Speaker 3: from Venezuela in the Caribbean. It almost preys on people's

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Speaker 5: They're not military targets.

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Speaker 3: Like, it's just a crazy idea that are like how

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Speaker 5: It's all just completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're such violent, dangerous criminals that we're just going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, Let all out. Let's put a five up

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Speaker 4: Lawmakers were able to.

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Speaker 2: So Democrats pushing to have that video released. I think

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Speaker 3: I definitely think they'll there's a chance they'll release the

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Speaker 3: In the circumstance, I think they're totally happy to have

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Speaker 5: Seems to me this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an interesting moment with Tom Cotton where

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Speaker 4: These are actual people.

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing, though, just to see the boat

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Speaker 4: While look at us, we're so powerful.

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Speaker 2: It's another thing when you see human being struggling for

443
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: their lives and you watch them for forty minutes, and

444
00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 2: then that decision is taken to murder them turns it

445
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 2: from a theoretical thing into a real human thing. I mean,

446
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: this is what we've seen happen in Gaza, right, Not

447
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: to equate the people there with these people whatever, but

448
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: when people were able to see in their feed the

449
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: humanity of these individuals who have, you know, a whole

450
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Speaker 2: world and the whole life and dreams and aspirations, and

451
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: saw that being snuffed out so casually in such a

452
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Speaker 2: barbaric way, that is.

453
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Speaker 4: What you know.

454
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Speaker 2: That is what overcame all of the propaganda war that

455
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Speaker 2: would push us to say we've got to support Israel

456
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Speaker 2: no matter what. And so I do think it is

457
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: a very different thing when you actually see human beings

458
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: and have to account for them as like real people

459
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 2: who have families and lives that are just being casually

460
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Speaker 2: snuffed out in this manner. I do think that that

461
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: would have an impact in the public just in the

462
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Speaker 2: same way that you know, we heard about that Epstein

463
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Speaker 2: birthday book and the Trump drawing.

464
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Speaker 4: It was another thing to see, it, wasn't it.

465
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Speaker 2: It had a different impact when you actually add that

466
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Speaker 2: and the whole book, and that landed a lot differently

467
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Speaker 2: with the American people more charming.

468
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Speaker 3: When you saw the drawing, the scribblings, yeah, disgusting. So yeah,

469
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: there's some reports that the men on the boat were waving,

470
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: and the question is was that a sign of surrender?

471
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Speaker 3: Was that to the was that to the US aircraft?

472
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Speaker 3: Was it a sign as I think some people in

473
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Speaker 3: Hikesth camp have said to their own people to like

474
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Speaker 3: keep going whatever. I think that's part of the explanations

475
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Speaker 3: that maybe they were calling for backup or something. But

476
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Speaker 3: this is to the point you were just making crystal

477
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Speaker 3: this was not active combat, to say that this was

478
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Speaker 3: active combat, to say that these are these people were

479
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 3: engaged in active terrorism because they were allegedly they had

480
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Speaker 3: cocaine on a boat, which of course lots of people

481
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Speaker 3: have cocaine on boats in the Caribbean and illegal and

482
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Speaker 3: they're going up and bringing it to what where were

483
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Speaker 3: they going surinam yea somewhere.

484
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Speaker 5: It's not the United States? Right, it's not.

485
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Speaker 2: Fentanyl well, and intended ultimately to go to the United States.

486
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Speaker 3: And the question and are they actually connected to a

487
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Speaker 3: terrorist group, a terrorist group that could be covered under

488
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 3: the AOO meth I mean, it's all just the idea

489
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Speaker 3: that these these guys who are clinging to the side

490
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Speaker 3: of a boat, maybe they may be part of their

491
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Speaker 3: efforts to survive did involve trying to call for backup

492
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Speaker 3: for them.

493
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Speaker 5: Maybe that's true.

494
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: The idea that it's terror, that we just stopped terrorists

495
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: is absurd.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Completely.

497
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Speaker 2: Tim Dillon had an interesting show resigned. Just listened to

498
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Speaker 2: the whole thing yesterday. I recommend you guys listened to

499
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: it too. It is both entertaining and also insightful, as

500
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Speaker 2: he often is. And he has his own theories about

501
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Speaker 2: why we are bombing these boats.

502
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Speaker 4: Let's go and take a listen to that.

503
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Speaker 10: And they're not talking about Epstein, and they're not talking

504
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 10: about whatever the hell elsis is in these documents that

505
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 10: may or may not come out redacted or unredacted.

506
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Speaker 5: And they're and they're and they're and they're they're not.

507
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Speaker 10: Talking as much about the economy, and they're not asked

508
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 10: to have healthcare, and they're not asking what pollenteers doing,

509
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 10: and they're not asking why five tech guys in AI

510
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 10: control half the American economy in San Francisco, they're not

511
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 10: asking any of that. They're just watching a boat blow

512
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Speaker 10: up in the middle of the ocean. When you have

513
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Speaker 10: this clumsy, you know, kind of somewhat insane, over the

514
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Speaker 10: top deportations. People are looking at this and going it's unseerious,

515
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Speaker 10: it's childish, it's cruel. I think one of the problems

516
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Speaker 10: with whatever the Magat movement is evolved into is it's

517
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 10: duped their hardcore followers so much that the only thing

518
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Speaker 10: left now is performative cruelty.

519
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Speaker 2: Performative cruelty. That's his take, both on the deportations, also

520
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: on the drug boats. And I don't know if you

521
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing, but basically the bit is like

522
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: they're not releasing the Epstein files, the economy sucks, like

523
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: all these things are going sideways. They're not making good

524
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Speaker 2: on any of these other promises or aspirations people had

525
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Speaker 2: for the ministry. So what does the US do when

526
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: the going gets tough? They have to show that they

527
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: can murder some people, they can bomb some boats. They

528
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: could the boomers, but put it up on Fox News.

529
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: The boomers will love it. People like us, We'll talk

530
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: about it, we'll debate it. Get the focus off these

531
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: other things. And so when things started going sideways, they

532
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: were like we must bomb some boats, we must kill

533
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Speaker 2: some people, just to show that the government even still

534
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Speaker 2: exists and is capable of projecting power. That's basically his bit.

535
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Speaker 3: It's I mean, the theory I just don't think is

536
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Speaker 3: accurate because just from the not that I think it's

537
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Speaker 3: a crazy, a crazy belief, but just this has this

538
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: stuff has been percolating as what people have wanted to

539
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Speaker 3: do with the second Trump administration since before the Trump

540
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: second Trump administration happened.

541
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Speaker 5: And to agree with Tim, I mean, I've.

542
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Speaker 3: Been criticized by some people for on our show talking

543
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: about how so much of this like what did you

544
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: call them? Crystal Meal Team six?

545
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 5: Who? Who is that a Kyle is.

546
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: Of someone came from Twitter?

547
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: Yes, it's some of it, Like I'll I call these

548
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: guys LARPers, and people are like, no, no, it's not.

549
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 5: That's that just minimizes what they're actually doing.

550
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: It's like, no, it's I think it makes it ten

551
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: times worse that there's something performative, there's there's anything that

552
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: feels attractive in performing the like quote cruelty, which I

553
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: don't necessarily.

554
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: Make the cruelty less cruel, but the purpose of it

555
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: is a performance and.

556
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Speaker 5: I think that just makes it so pathetic.

557
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: And so that's where the theater of it, because so

558
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: much of it is theater. If you talk to like

559
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: hardcore immigration hawks, actually a lot of them are pissed

560
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: because they don't think deportations are happening at a fast

561
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: enough rate, and they're like, it's all putting on the show.

562
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Speaker 5: It's a lot of theater.

563
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Speaker 3: And so again I'm not I don't think I'm in

564
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Speaker 3: that camp. I don't know what they could possibly do

565
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 3: to like increase deportations other than hiring more asylum judges

566
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: at this point, but there's nothing sexy about hiring more

567
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: asylum of judges, Like you can't strap on like all

568
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: of your kevlar and bring influencers along to.

569
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: Hire asylum judges instead of actually firing a lot of

570
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: immigration judges who they don't think are going to be

571
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: sufficiently sort of like toe the you know, anti immigrant line.

572
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that would lead to an actually

573
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: more functional system because a big part of the problem

574
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: with all of this is that you do have such

575
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: a massive backlog in the asylum system that de facto

576
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: people end up here for years while those claims are

577
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: being adjudicated. And so you know that is you know,

578
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: one of the big major and everybody knows this. Yeah,

579
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: this is not a secret left right c. Everybody knows this.

580
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: But that would actually like deal with the problem, make

581
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: the system more functional, and it would not create a

582
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, titillating display of sadism that they are substituting

583
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: in for actually delivering on any of people material concerns

584
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: and needs.

585
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Speaker 3: Well, Christinam herself, I think is a good example if

586
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: they were like a good embody.

587
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Speaker 4: Moh my god.

588
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: But because like Trump, we remember back in twenty sixteen,

589
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: he picks Mike Pence because the reports say Pence had

590
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: a like the movie star cinematic look of a vice president.

591
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: That part of the reason that Trump said he thought

592
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: he was like out of central casting. I think that's

593
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: the quote that some reports indicated was part of his thinking.

594
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: And Christinome, of course, is somebody who Trump wanted to

595
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: put this like tough, badass female. She wasn't chosen because

596
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: of her substantive homeland security expertise. Yeah, that's not why, Christie.

597
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: That's not been Christinoam's career. It's not why she was chosen.

598
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: He chose her for public relations he likes.

599
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: The costume changes and the you know, play acting, right,

600
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: and presumably the hundreds of millions of dollars that were

601
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: spent in ads basically to bolster her and show her

602
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Speaker 2: like riding around on a horse or whatever.

603
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Speaker 3: Yes, and you know, obviously some of that stuff like

604
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: public relations, is not unimportant. But it's just another good

605
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: example of whether you agree with the substance or you

606
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: disagree with the substance, the administration spends a lot more

607
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: time away from the substance, and I think that's extra.

608
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Speaker 5: I think that really does irritate people.

609
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: Tim Dillaner otherwise when they start disagreeing with the substance,

610
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: and the politics of that become very very dangerous when

611
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: it looks like you're pouring all of your resources into

612
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: theater instead of substance.

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Speaker 2: Did you see the reports that Christinaum might be on

614
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: the rocks in the administration?

615
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Speaker 4: Do you think that that is accurate?

616
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Speaker 3: I don't think so. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened,

617
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: but I haven't heard anything myself like that. It wouldn't

618
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: surprise me, though, because there are people that are really

619
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: dissatisfied with the way things are, like on the right,

620
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: who are dissatisfied with the way things are being run,

621
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Speaker 3: not necessarily just because they think more people should be deported,

622
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Speaker 3: but just because I think they see everything as really

623
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Speaker 3: chao unnecessarily chaotic, messy. And she's graded on people. The Yeah,

624
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: she's graded on people. I think Coreyle Andwski's graded on people,

625
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Speaker 3: So it wouldn't shock.

626
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Speaker 4: Me, gotcha.

627
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

628
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Speaker 2: The central casting thing is why I took some I

629
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Speaker 2: thought that the reports that Cash Buttel might be on

630
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: his way out, why I took those seriously because he

631
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Speaker 2: is not out of central casting. He is out of

632
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Speaker 2: central casting for the like bumbling idiot bureaucrat FBI director.

633
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: He is out of central casting for that, but not

634
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: for the like you know, whatever projection of strength that

635
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: Trump would want in that role.

636
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Speaker 3: I guess maybe we should do a poll for a

637
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 3: pool for premium subscribers of who's the first to go?

638
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: Because HeiG Seth, noam Cash well, right, Dan Bongino.

639
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: If I had to guess from the cabinet, if I

640
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Speaker 3: had to, I would say Cash. Really, I would say

641
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Speaker 3: he'll be the first, But I don't know he's Obviously

642
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about this later in the show. But

643
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: he's obviously trying to endear himself to the president pretty

644
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: hard right now.

645
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Speaker 2: I feel like the more liberal media outlets report on

646
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: Cash on the ounce except or the safer he is

647
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: time he gets.

648
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: That's totally true. I think it's totally true of Christino

649
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: as well.

650
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Speaker 4: Really, because ye on, was that another NBC reported?

651
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 5: I thought that was NBC. I'm looking it up right now.

652
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: The Cash report was actually ms now, which are now

653
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: too distinct things. They actually did pull some real reporters.

654
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: It was the Bulwark actually live yeah, an NBC. Yeah,

655
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: So okay, well we will see. But I mean, the

656
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: other thing that's interesting to note of Tim Dillon is

657
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: obviously like he was a you know, supportive of Trump,

658
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: but now he is definitely not. So that's another interesting

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: thing to note. And I think we'll tie into the

660
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Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney block as well. You know, that's a unique

661
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Speaker 2: comparison to make, perhaps, but I mean, I think emblematic

662
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Speaker 2: of a vibe shift and just a general recognition that, like,

663
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Speaker 2: whatever hopeful thing you thought this administration was gonna be,

664
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Speaker 2: there's almost no one who is like, yes, this is

665
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Speaker 2: completely going the way that I wanted it to go,

666
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Speaker 2: even if you are, you know, hard right like immigration

667
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: hawk and you actually wanted to see millions of immigrants

668
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Speaker 2: support or whatever. Like when I listen to Nick Foine

669
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Speaker 2: has talk about how he's disappointed that there aren't millions

670
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Speaker 2: of people being mass deported right now. So even from

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Speaker 2: that perspective, I guess it's disappointment.

672
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Speaker 5: It's it's such a it's all such a mess. The yeah, it's.

673
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Speaker 3: Been there's been a lot of like testing of policy

674
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Speaker 3: legal grounds, but there's also been a lot of testing

675
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Speaker 3: of what kind of policy constitutes a conservative immigration policy,

676
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: and not a lot of consensus but also not a

677
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: lot of backlash from the right so far.

678
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Speaker 2: That could change, well, And I think Tim Dillon Sagar

679
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: has been making this point. I think you've been making

680
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Speaker 2: this point too, from the like I guess right wing

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: immigration restrictionist perspective. Not that Tim Dylan is in the

682
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: same places like where Sager is, but he's like, if

683
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Speaker 2: people have the choice between this like performative cruelty and

684
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Speaker 2: all right, we're just gonna like do this, they're going

685
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, we're we're not going in that direction.

686
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Speaker 4: This is horrible.

687
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Speaker 2: So like seeing these like kids Pepper's braid ripped apart

688
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: from their parents, and the mass thugs in the street

689
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: just like randomly assaulting people or even shooting them. It

690
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: really is very strongly discrediting the whole anti immigrant project,

691
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Speaker 2: and especially when that is being substituted in place of

692
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Speaker 2: actually addressing people's genuine concerns. And with the president out,

693
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: they're building his ballroom and calling affordability a quote unquote

694
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: con job.

695
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and like bringing helicopters to Chicago.

696
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: I mean, it's all just again.

697
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Speaker 3: I think the danger that they run into is, of course,

698
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: some people disagree with their immigration policy, some people are

699
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: gonna want it to go even further, but a lot

700
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: of people are also going to look at it and say,

701
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: where are you actually doing, Like what are you just

702
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: wasting everyone's money and making people mad and like causing

703
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: all of these legal problems for yourself for the country,

704
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: Like are you poor?

705
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 5: Are you making this situation worse?

706
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Speaker 3: And I think those three buckets, that one is the

707
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: one where you can see independent swing types be when

708
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: you lose that, you're going to make it hard for

709
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: Republicans campaigning in the midterms to defend a helicopter in

710
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: Chicago or whatever.

711
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Speaker 11: It is.

712
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Speaker 5: So that's where I think it gets difficult for them.

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Speaker 2: The place that Democrats have picked up ground in these

714
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: past elections versus like and in polling versus how they

715
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Speaker 2: won and did well in the twenty eighteen midterms. In

716
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen midterms, it was like winning more white

717
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: college educated voters. Now this time it's actually all of

718
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: the gains have been made with non white, non college voters,

719
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: which I think is about two things. I think it

720
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: is a rejection of the hardline immigration policy and the

721
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: performative cruelty. And I think it's about the economy. We

722
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: have some new numbers with regard to layoffs that are

723
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: looking really grim. Charge of Secretary Scott Bessant was sent

724
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: out on the Sunday Show was once again touting his

725
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: bona fides as a soybean farmer.

726
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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

727
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Speaker 11: I'm involved in the agricultural industry. I run a soybean

728
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 11: farm and I can.

729
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Speaker 12: Tell you you invest in it, sorry, you own or investment.

730
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Speaker 11: People in my family go out and work on it.

731
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Speaker 12: If everything's fine, then why do farmers need a bridge

732
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Speaker 12: payment from the Agricultural Department?

733
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Speaker 11: Sorry?

734
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Speaker 12: Why would farmers need a bridge payment from the Agriculture Department.

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Speaker 11: With that because these prices haven't come in because the

736
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Speaker 11: Chinese actually used our soybean farmers as ponds in the

737
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Speaker 11: trade negotiations, and we are going to create this bridge

738
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Speaker 11: because again, agriculture is all about the future. You've got

739
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Speaker 11: to start financing for planning. Next year they win, things

740
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Speaker 11: will be very good.

741
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Speaker 2: So he's getting pressed there on the soybean aspect. You know,

742
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Speaker 2: this is a major issue in a lot of farm states.

743
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have seen some of

744
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: the polling out of Iowa, but the governor's race there

745
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: is competitive. There's some hopefulness around the Senate race there

746
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: as well, and a large part of that is dissatisfaction

747
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: with the trade policy and the way that it has

748
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: hurt soybean farmers in particular. And I mean, I don't

749
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: know why he does this bit emily of insisting that

750
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Speaker 2: he's like super in touch with the average soybean farmer

751
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Speaker 2: out there, but apparently he's committed to it.

752
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Speaker 3: Well, he was committed to it, and except actually later

753
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: in that thing with Margaret Brennan, he said, I actually

754
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Speaker 3: just divested it this week referring to this quote soybean farm,

755
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Speaker 3: which is a twenty five million dollar operation. It's hilarious

756
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Speaker 3: to refer to that as a farm, which is so funny. Yeah,

757
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: but he said, I actually just divested it this week

758
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Speaker 3: as part of my ethics agreement, So I'm quote out

759
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Speaker 3: of that business, which is right after he said I

760
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Speaker 3: run a soy bean farm.

761
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Speaker 2: Well, Adred, I mean I did divest that, which is

762
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Speaker 2: I'm sure how soybean farmers describe selling their farms is

763
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Speaker 2: divesting from their their.

764
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Speaker 3: Farm now just announced literally as we were like, this

765
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: is as of ten minutes ago, we have a report

766
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Speaker 3: from the Wall Street Journal that Trump is unveiling a

767
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: twelve billion dollar bailout were farmers. So that echoes what

768
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Speaker 3: happened in the first Trump administration. But obviously another suggestion, yeah,

769
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Speaker 3: this is a twelve million dollar aid package too, as

770
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Speaker 3: the journal puts it, help that agriculture sector quote grapple

771
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: with the fallout from President Trump's fart reaching tariffs. So

772
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: a sign obviously, I mean that is not surprising we

773
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: saw it earlier, but a sign that the squeeze is

774
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Speaker 3: really starting to sink in.

775
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Speaker 5: That was different.

776
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Speaker 3: You know, the couple weeks after Liberation Day quote liberation day,

777
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: everyone was like, whoa, you.

778
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Speaker 5: Know, what's what's going to happen.

779
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: Well, now it's almost the end of the year and

780
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: they're unbilling their their aid package. So tells you what

781
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 3: the arc of the I guess last how many months

782
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: has that been?

783
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 5: The last eight months?

784
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, pardy eight months? And yeah, yeah, Well and China.

785
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: You know, once we struckt this trade deal with China,

786
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: the idea with China was going to start buying the

787
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: soybeans again, and that hasn't come through.

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Speaker 4: That's not even talking about out there. Yeah, not even close.

789
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Speaker 2: And you know, for the farmers that I've heard interviewed,

790
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure the bailout will help, but they

791
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: don't want a bailout. They want to have a sustainable

792
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: market that they can sell into, which, you know, whole

793
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: other conversation about why we are so dependent on China

794
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: for sales of soybeans from you know, from our farmers,

795
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: but we'll put that aside for now. Scott Bessett was

796
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: also asked about President Trump saying that affordability is a

797
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: quote unquote con job. Let's go ahead and take a

798
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: listen to how he defended that, and.

799
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Speaker 12: We hear from, for example, the President when he says

800
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Speaker 12: that affordability is a con job by Democrats. That seems

801
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 12: to just not be resonating with consumers that have been

802
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 12: pulled by CBS. Sixty percent of Americans pulled by this

803
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 12: network told this President Trump makes prices in inflation sound

804
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 12: better than they really are, and his approval rating in

805
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 12: the economy is now down to thirty six percent. In

806
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 12: our latest poll on inflation, approval is even lower thirty

807
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 12: two percent. Don't you need to show that you feel

808
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 12: the pain?

809
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Speaker 11: Well, Margaret, I think the presence, frustrated by the media

810
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Speaker 11: coverage of what's going.

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Speaker 12: On, is polling average Americans.

812
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I think the average Americans they are hearing

813
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 11: a lot of from media coverage. What we're not going

814
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Speaker 11: to do is say that Americans don't know what they're feeling.

815
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Speaker 11: We've been working on it every day. The American people

816
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 11: don't know how good they have it.

817
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Speaker 4: There is an affordability problem. Sorry, you do believe that.

818
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 11: Oh, I think the Biden administration created a till but now.

819
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 12: Only twelve months in, you said the president would own

820
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Speaker 12: the economy at this point.

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Speaker 2: So two things there First of all, he's saying, oh,

822
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: the media coverage is driving people to feel like the

823
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: economy's not great.

824
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Speaker 4: He has that wine in there.

825
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: Americans don't know how good they have a good lucks

826
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: all in that one, buddy. And then the other piece

827
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: that people just aren't buying at this point is that

828
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: this is all still Biden's fault. You know, even Republicans

829
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: when you ask them, like whose fault it is, they

830
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: will put more blame at Biden's fee. But come on,

831
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: you all have been in office almost a year now.

832
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Speaker 2: You made all these grand promises, and I think critically

833
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Speaker 2: Trump has had.

834
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Speaker 4: His hands all over this economy.

835
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Speaker 2: A lot of promises were made about how glorious the

836
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Speaker 2: tariffs would be and what it would mean for the economy,

837
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Speaker 2: et cetera. And so here as we're heading into the

838
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Speaker 2: holiday season and you have this, you know, sense of betrayal, distrust,

839
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: malaise at best with this administration still trying to point

840
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Speaker 2: the finger at the other guy.

841
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Speaker 4: Is just not going to cut it.

842
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 9: No.

843
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Speaker 3: I saw a really interesting proposal from Chris Jacobs writing

844
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Speaker 3: in the Federal so obviously from the right, which was

845
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Speaker 3: to help actually ease some of the backlash to tariffs

846
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Speaker 3: and the general economy. Could the Trump administration ease tariffs?

847
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Speaker 3: Actually this is pretty smart on things like coffee, bananas,

848
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Speaker 3: food stuffs that like literally cannot be grown at scale

849
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Speaker 3: in the United States going into twenty twenty six that

850
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Speaker 3: I could see happening.

851
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Speaker 4: I thought they were doing that.

852
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Speaker 5: They might.

853
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Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't seen anything that is like a

854
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Speaker 3: concerted effort, but because still what they're doing, and what

855
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: would be very difficult about that is they're still doing

856
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Speaker 3: these carve out deals where it's based on their conversations

857
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Speaker 3: and meetings.

858
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Speaker 5: The push a pull not necessarily.

859
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Speaker 4: Brought a gold bar this week.

860
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, there's that too, but not necessarily like some

861
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Speaker 3: grand strategy about what's being grown here food wise, what's

862
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: being grown here, what's being sold elsewhere, and that sort

863
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: of thing.

864
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Speaker 5: So we could see something like that happen.

865
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Speaker 3: And the reason that politically it's obviously a disaster and

866
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: they know, I mean people when people see high prices

867
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Speaker 3: at the grocery store, they don't see things coming down.

868
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: Whether or not it's the president's fault, they're going to

869
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: blame the party in power, and Republicans right now have

870
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 3: the House, the Senate, and the presidency, so they're sure

871
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: is hell going to blame Republicans this time around. I

872
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: think though, the bigger problem for the administration is housing

873
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: and healthcare, because those are like the two biggest parts

874
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: of people's budgets. There's also childcare, which is insane in

875
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: certain states. And yeah, like they have not really done

876
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: much on any of that, let alone messaging on any

877
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: of that. Trump obviously knows that housing is a problem

878
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: for him because he was saying that Jay Powell was

879
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: essentially creating an emergency for American families within.

880
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Speaker 5: The interest rate.

881
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Speaker 3: So I don't know, like it's those are the big ones,

882
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: and there's nothing that you can really teariff with your

883
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: if his tariff power even continues to exist as he's

884
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: used it, you can't just wave a magic wand on those.

885
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

886
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: There's also reporting from the Wall Street Journal about the

887
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: fact that Trump just doesn't really like he actually thinks

888
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: that affordability is a quote unquote con job. He thinks

889
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: that the economy is doing great, you know, the metrics,

890
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: he's looking at the stock market. He thinks that people

891
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: should be satisfied with this. And there's a sort of

892
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: like whole of administration effort to get him to care

893
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: about affordability and take it seriously and refocus some of

894
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: his dwindling brain share mind share from the ballroom expansion

895
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: to affordability and actually like get in the game with that.

896
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: That there's like a concerted effort being made, and you

897
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: know they're struggling to get him to really sort of

898
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: focus in on what Americans routinely say is their biggest concern.

899
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: You mentioned healthcare. I think you're absolutely right. I mean,

900
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: this is one thing you can say about the Democrats

901
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: shut down fight is it really did put the spotlight

902
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: on healthcare. It really did help to educate people about, Okay,

903
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: these premiums are going up, and who is to blame

904
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: for that. I mean, there are a lot of people

905
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: to blame, but one of the immediate factors is the

906
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: imminent expiration of these ACA subsidies. That it helped keep

907
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: things more reasonable, especially for middle class families. One Republican

908
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: who's considered a moderate and a swing district representative Fitzpatrick,

909
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: was speaking out against Republicans in general and their lack

910
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: of any sort of a healthcare plan.

911
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: This is B six. Let's go ahead and take a

912
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: listen to that.

913
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 13: Well, I say that if you don't have a better plan,

914
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 13: then get on board with ours. But doing nothing is not.

915
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: An option, right.

916
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 13: I mean, I've heard so many people in the Republican

917
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 13: conference rail on the Affordable Care Act, rail on Obamacare,

918
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 13: rail on the premium text credits. You want to criticize something,

919
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 13: that's okay as long as you have a better alternative.

920
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 13: They have never offered a better alternative. They we went

921
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 13: down this healthcare path my freshman term. I voted against

922
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 13: the repeal DACA. I thought the replacement was insufficient, it

923
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 13: was hastily put together, not well thought out. And here

924
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 13: we are, you know what, eight years later, and they

925
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 13: still have not been able to put together an articuable plan.

926
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: So it's sounding a little like Marjorie Taylor Green.

927
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 5: There, Congressmanellan coming. Yeah, Well, that's actually been the.

928
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: Because Margie Tayler Green was seen as obviously hardcore MAGA,

929
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: and I think that's a fair characterization of her. Brian

930
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick is not hardcore mega.

931
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 11: Yeah.

932
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 5: And so that's where, you know, basically you still have the.

933
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: Kind of Chamber of Commerce style Republicans who are all

934
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: about just what's the best way to put it? I mean,

935
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: I don't even know like all about trickle down economics

936
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: is probably the best way to put it. Who still

937
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: aren't really paying attention to the stone really see it

938
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: as the five alarm fire that it is unless they

939
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: can talk about repealing Obamacare. When it comes to replacing Obamacare,

940
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: there's literally no consensus point on that. And that's where

941
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: I think, because you have the Fitzpatricks and the MTGS.

942
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: MTG is not out of Congress until the new year,

943
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: so keep that in mind for when it comes down

944
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 3: to voting these tax not these tax credit these healthcare

945
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: credits expire at the end of the year, so they're

946
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: going to need a vote on that before the end

947
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: of the year if they don't want them to expire

948
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: heading into the midterm cycle with huge premium spikes that

949
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: are about to come everyone's way, so they need to fast.

950
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it is December eighth. They need to come

951
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: up with something on this, like yesterday.

952
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: I remember on a few weeks ago, Trump was like, oh,

953
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: we've got a healthcare plan.

954
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: We're going to announce it yep.

955
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: And then it was leaked what the details were and

956
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: they hadn't run it by anyone in Congress apparently, and

957
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: then there was a big backlash to what the you know,

958
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: what the proposal was, which basically involved extending the Obamcare

959
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: substies for two years and then some other little tweaks,

960
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: and there were a bunch of Republicans who were like, oh,

961
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: we don't like this, what are you doing? And then

962
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: that gets scrapped and we haven't heard anything else about

963
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: a healthcare plan moving forward, and you know, I mean

964
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: for Fitzpatrick Holso from Marjorie Taylor Green and they complain about,

965
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: like the GOP doesn't have a healthcare plan. That's not

966
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: like you are a member of Congress, but you could

967
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: have an idea of your own.

968
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: You could offer something.

969
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: But the problem has always been that because Obamacare was

970
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: basically the Republican proposal, they have never figured out you know,

971
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: that was borrowed from the romneycare in Massachusetts, which came

972
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: from like Heritage Foundation ideas, and so they've never really

973
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: figured out what their proposal would be, and so they've

974
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: just tried to either they would run on like repeal

975
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: and replace, being very vague about what the replace would entail,

976
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: or just railed against Obamacare in terms of coming up

977
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: with an affirmative solution that has always been a real

978
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: weak point for them. And it is interesting on the

979
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: Democratic side too because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden also

980
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: didn't weren't that interested in talking about healthcare. You know,

981
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: that was really gift to Republicans in a lot of

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: ways because it is a very weak issue for them.

983
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Joe Biden originally ran on a public option, then of

984
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: course that got scrapped. They didn't even try to do

985
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: anything with that during the campaign. Kamala Harris nominally in

986
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: favor of a public option, again, wasn't a major debate

987
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: point during the campaign. Trump famously said he had concepts

988
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: of a plan. The healthcare debate is also becoming much

989
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: hotter and more central in Democratic party primaries, and you

990
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: have a lot more Democrats who are now getting on

991
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: board with Medicare for all because they see the reality

992
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: of the system as it is. You just had Chris

993
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: van Holland come out and do a video saying and

994
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: this is what listen, this is where we're at.

995
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 4: We've got to support Medicare for all.

996
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: But they see where the base of the party is

997
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: is headed right now as well, and what a pain

998
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: point this is so, I do think that this is

999
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: going to become a more central issue, take more of

1000
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: a central role in our politics, the way that it

1001
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: was in twenty sixteen, in the world, that it did

1002
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty primaries as well.

1003
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: There's a very obvious solution on the table for them,

1004
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: but the problem is, to your point, again, there is

1005
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: no consensus policy. The obvious solution here is that you

1006
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: easily pass an extension of the credits, like, just do it,

1007
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: extend the credits. You can do it a year, you

1008
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: can do it two years, and then say we're going

1009
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: to do this, but we will have a healthcare bill

1010
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: on the floor of the House for a vote by March. Right,

1011
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: But they don't want to do that, of course, because

1012
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: they don't actually have anything now. Morally and politically, it

1013
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: is foolish not to spend while you have the House

1014
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 3: and the Senate your political and the presidency your political

1015
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: capital over the next year coming up with a Republican

1016
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: health care plan over the next couple of months. I mean,

1017
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: it is so urgent, But if you're a member of Congress,

1018
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: or if you're somebody lobbying members of Congress on behalf

1019
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: on behalf of these insurance companies. You don't feel this

1020
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 3: in your even I mean, it hits people across every

1021
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: income spectrum really hard, but you just don't feel like

1022
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: the average American family feels it. So you're disconnected from

1023
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: the degree to which it's an emergency.

1024
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1025
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1026
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: At the same time, list of B three up on

1027
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: the screen, we're getting more and more numbers about accelerating

1028
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: layoffs and just what the picture looks like. So this

1029
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: is Frank lenz Here says this year has had the

1030
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: highest layoffs since twenty twenty, of course, which was COVID.

1031
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary situation. If you take away twenty twenty,

1032
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: it's the highest number of job cuts since two thousand

1033
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: and nine. So you know, really a lot of layoffs,

1034
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: and you could put befour up on the screen. This

1035
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: is a partial list of some of the large companies

1036
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: that have announced layoffs. The US government three hundred seven

1037
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: thousand employees. Sometimes that gets left off, but that is

1038
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: very significant part of our economy and what's going on

1039
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: Ups forty eight thousand employees and right now as we

1040
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: go into the holiday season, that is crazy. Amazon up

1041
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: to thirty thousand employees, also crazy, Intel twenty four, k

1042
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: Nesley sixteen, Verizon fifteen, Eccentrire eleven four to eleven, Nova,

1043
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: Nordisk nine thousand, Microsoft seven, PwC fifty six hundred, Salesforce

1044
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 2: four thousand, IBM twenty seven hundred, American Airlines twenty seven hundred,

1045
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: Paramount two thousand, Target eighteen hundred, GM fifteen hundred, Applied

1046
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: Materials fourteen hundred, Kroger one thousand, Meta six hundred, And

1047
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: then this is the COBEC letter says where will all

1048
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: these people go? Which is a very good question. Then

1049
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: put the five up on the screen as well. We

1050
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: also have an accelerating number of bankruptcies. Seven hundred and

1051
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: seventeen US large companies This is from that same account,

1052
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: by the way, have gone bankrupt year to date. That's

1053
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: the most in fifteen years. This is now higher than

1054
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: every full year total since twenty ten. And again that's

1055
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: not even through the end of the year. This also

1056
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: marks the third consecutive annual increase, a ninety three percent

1057
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: jump since twenty twenty two. In November alone, sixty two

1058
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: large firms filed for bankruptcy, after sixty eight and sixty.

1059
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: Six in October and September.

1060
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: US bankruptcies this year now running plus thirty percent above

1061
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: the annual average for twenty eleven to twenty two.

1062
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: Twenty four.

1063
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: Corporate bankruptcies are surging outside of the AI trade and

1064
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: we covered last week the ADP payroll numbers that showed

1065
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: job loss and there so this is focused on large

1066
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: firms filing for bankruptcy. The job loss was coming overwhelmingly

1067
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: from small businesses who have really struggled to be able

1068
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: to navigate the political landscape and the tariff landscape. I

1069
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: think in particular, because if you're a large firm, Okay,

1070
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: Trump's you know, the tariffs are on, they're off, etc.

1071
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: We've got our stockpiles, We're able to plan in advance,

1072
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: we have the cash to be able to ride this out.

1073
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be okay. If you're a small business,

1074
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: you're kind of doing the equivalent of living pay to

1075
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: paycheck to paycheck, Like you don't have this massive cash

1076
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 2: reserve where you can just ride things down. You also

1077
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: don't have, you know, like a million dollars to throw

1078
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: around to go to a mar A Lago dinner and

1079
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: ask the president for whatever favor you need for your

1080
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: business to be able to make it. So I think

1081
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: that's a big part of the reason why so many

1082
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: small businesses are shuttering right now now. And it's also

1083
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: a continuation of a trend of you know, massive corporate

1084
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: consolidation in America that's been ongoing for decades at this point.

1085
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, I'm a tariff person. I'm looking

1086
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: at this White House rundown right now of new investments

1087
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: in the US since Liberation Day, and there's a lot

1088
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: of really good stuff.

1089
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: But that's not what these ADP numbers. Obviously. The ADP

1090
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 5: numbers are net so job losses. That's it.

1091
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: Like when you're when the economy is losing x jobs

1092
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: a month and you have right now tariffs. So basically

1093
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: the big pictures you have the tariffs and the AI

1094
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: revolution happening at the same time. And we will look

1095
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Speaker 3: back on this period in ten years as I think

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Speaker 3: similar to what we will end up or what we

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00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: already end up looking back with like the Clinton and

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00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: Bush administration trade opening up NAFTA, WT like that. I

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Speaker 3: think we're actually going to start looking back at this

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Speaker 3: within ten years as a really similar time period. And

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Speaker 3: David Obie, a Democrat who represented this district in northern Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: very rural district for a long time. He looked back

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00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 3: after NAFTA and said he regretted voting for it because

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00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: he was promised all of this job training and all

1105
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: of these efforts to augment the job losses, and it

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00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 3: never happened, and it just never materialized and it never worked.

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Speaker 5: And there's a clear lesson from that.

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Speaker 3: Which is when you have a revolution happening like artificial

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00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: intelligence that's already I mean, we're projected going into next

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00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: year to have the highest level of.

1111
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 5: College graduate unemployment.

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00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: It is going to be a bloodbath, especially in entry

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00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: level jobs.

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00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 5: What are all of those people going to do?

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Speaker 3: Truly, I mean, fentanyl us I was just looking at

1116
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: this last night, are still way higher than they were

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00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: a long time. No, I mean it's fentanyl, so it's

1118
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 3: relatively like new phenomena, but they're still way higher than.

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00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: They were in the early days of the opioid epidemic.

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Speaker 3: So you have all of these things happening at the

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00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: same time, and the Trump administration was supposed to is

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00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: what Donald Trump must, of course was. People were I

1123
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: think correctly skeptical of it, but what he promised was

1124
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: something that appealed to the hopes of folks who are

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Speaker 3: looking at this and saying, this is a generational scrambling

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00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: of the world around me, after the generational scrambling that

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00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 3: you know, my parents went through and that my town

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00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: went through. So it's way bigger than I think people realize.

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I absolutely think that's correct. And I think

1130
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: people were willing to trade. Like it was not a

1131
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: secret to anyone that he has these like authoritarian instincts,

1132
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: but they were sort of willing to Okay, well, we'll

1133
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: take some of that because it's an extraordinary time, and

1134
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: you know, we trust that you're going to be able

1135
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: to kind of strong man get things in order and

1136
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: the trains.

1137
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 4: Will run on time.

1138
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: And instead you've just gotten the like performative cruelty and

1139
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: then mass layoffs and then you know, to me, the

1140
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: central theme, like the central thrust of this administration is

1141
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: just giving everything over to the tech oligarchs and saying, okay,

1142
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: off to.

1143
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: The races with AI.

1144
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: We're going to grease the skids for you, deregulate as

1145
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: much much as possible so you can win this AI

1146
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: race and hope and like we're going to hope and

1147
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: pray that that just like magically fixes everything. And in

1148
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: the process, they're promising to lay off literally everyone and

1149
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: completely disrupt the entire I mean, to completely destroy the

1150
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: existing social contract with little to no thought about what

1151
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: may come after that.

1152
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we were talking before we went to air.

1153
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: This morning.

1154
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: I always checked the morning newsletters to see who sponsors them,

1155
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: because I find it very amusing and depressing. And this morning,

1156
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: the Free Press and Politico's Playbook were both sponsored by Meta,

1157
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: and I went and clicked through the Meta ad to

1158
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: see what Meta was bragging about, because in both ads

1159
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: it was quote, Meta is investing sictionder billion dollars in

1160
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 3: American infrastructure and jobs.

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Speaker 5: So I went and clicked through.

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00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: They had a list of all the places around the

1163
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: country where they're doing this. Every single thing I clicked

1164
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: on said data center, data center, data center, data center.

1165
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Speaker 3: And that is so so harrowing. Yeah, because a lot

1166
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: of these places is I mean, we have hollowed out

1167
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: factor towns all over the all over the country and

1168
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: places that are still struggling from NAFTA and China and

1169
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: all of that, and you're just gonna put up data

1170
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: centers that employ way fewer people and convince these communities

1171
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: to give you big tax breaks, and then if the

1172
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: bubble bursts, holy shit, I mean, think about that. If

1173
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: an AI bubble bursts and all of these communities have

1174
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: given tax breaks to these big companies around to Meta

1175
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 3: to open AI all around the country, and they're already

1176
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Speaker 3: not employing all of the people taking up all of

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Speaker 3: this land with data centers.

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Speaker 5: Think about that. It's horrifying.

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00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the bubble bursting might be the best possible

1180
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: end of the horrible ends seed then it may be

1181
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: even worse in terms of the impact on society it be.

1182
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I honestly twenty years UBI, that's like, it's.

1183
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: Not lucky if they don't just decide we're all disposable

1184
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: and good luck.

1185
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, not even like a not

1186
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: even a humane.

1187
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Speaker 5: Effort at UBI.

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00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: It's just going to be shut up and let us

1189
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: bulldoze culture, tech everything.

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the smallest amount we can get away with

1191
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: giving you so that you don't like literally murder us

1192
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 2: in our beds. That's what they're that's the point they're

1193
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: going to.

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 4: Be aiming for. There.

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 5: They've seen the purge.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's go ahead and get to what is going

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00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: on with these Somalis in Minnesota. And I guess globally,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like this is a global effort.

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Speaker 2: So Trump, after calling Somali's garbage, his administration has surged

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Speaker 2: ICE agents into Minnesota, Minneapolis specifically. Tom Homan was questioned

1201
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Speaker 2: on this new operation. Let's take a listen to that.

1202
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 14: That Somali community in Minnesota is about eighty thousand people.

1203
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 14: The vast majority are US citizens or legal residents.

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00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: So what is the reason for sending ICE there?

1205
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 13: Oh?

1206
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 12: Look, we also know there's a large illegal Somali community there.

1207
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 8: There's illegal alien community, a large illegal alien community there.

1208
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 7: You know, if you're a US citizen, you know you

1209
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 7: have nothing to hear.

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Speaker 14: The President said very clearly this week that he doesn't

1211
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 14: want Somali immigrants in America.

1212
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 5: He called them garbage.

1213
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 14: Is that the real reason this operation is happening in

1214
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 14: the Somali community?

1215
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: No, I think a President Trump's referring to public safety

1216
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: threats is national security threat from Somalia and every other company.

1217
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 14: He didn't say that, he said from day one, he

1218
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 14: talked about the whole community.

1219
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: Well, look, I know that I'm not aware of the

1220
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: President Trump was think when he said that, by I

1221
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: agree with the President Trump.

1222
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: So Emily it's uh.

1223
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: I think it's worth people thinking for a moment too

1224
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: about why we do have such a significant Somali community,

1225
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: and you know, they ended up in Minnesota in particular,

1226
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: about why we had these successive waves of Somalis who

1227
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: were brought in the vast majority of him By the way,

1228
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: are US citizens shouldn't be subject to these deportation efforts

1229
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: even though we know that I says, you know, discriminated

1230
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: by color and by their ethnic background.

1231
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Speaker 5: To the test some numbers on that quickly.

1232
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: So, yeah, not a citizen as of twenty twenty three,

1233
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: nine point five percent. Yeah, US born thirty eight point

1234
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: eight percent, naturalized citizen forty five point four percent, So

1235
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 3: it's about one in every ten is not a citizen.

1236
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1237
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: So the biggest reason why we have a significant Sumali

1238
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: population here is you had a civil war in Somalia's

1239
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: brutal and you may ask yourself, did the US play

1240
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: any role in that civil war? And the answer, of

1241
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: course would be yes.

1242
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 5: And the question is of course rhetorical.

1243
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean we you know, we use Somalia basically as

1244
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 2: upon and a play thing. During the Cold War, flooded

1245
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: the zone with all kinds of US weapons also forced

1246
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: this like IMF World Bank adjustment like austerity onto them,

1247
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: which stripped their own domestic capacity to feed themselves. And

1248
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, cause these austerity conditions, we were very important

1249
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: in terms of creating the the conditions for the civil

1250
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: war and the fallout and the chaos that made it

1251
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: necessary for people to flee Somalia for other places. So

1252
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Speaker 2: that is I think always important, especially as we're contemplating

1253
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: this regime change effort in Venezuela. Like for the vast majority,

1254
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: you and Soccer are pretty much on an island. Correct

1255
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, Emily in opposing the regime change

1256
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: effort in Venezuela. A lot of the America. First, there's

1257
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: even people who had a problem with war with the

1258
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: run are like, eh, yeah, sure, Venezuela, Medora is a

1259
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: bad guy. Let's go for why the hell got And

1260
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear a fucking word from these

1261
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: people when there is a failed state and another refugee crisis,

1262
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: like we are causing those problems. And so you know,

1263
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: if you want to have fewer migrants and I think

1264
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: we all should actually want people to have a place

1265
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: where they can live and not have to flee war

1266
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: and famine and devastation. Then maybe we should stop destroying

1267
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: and using these countries as ponds and playthings and destroying

1268
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: so many other places around the world.

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Speaker 4: Just a thought.

1270
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Speaker 2: In any case, the Somali community has responded in I

1271
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: think the most glorious way possible, Like the most.

1272
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: Glorious way possible.

1273
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: Mac was saying we need to make all of them

1274
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: citizens just as a reward for their their meming efforts.

1275
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 2: So in response to these brazen attacks from Trump calling

1276
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: them garbage and now the ice incursion into Minneapolis and

1277
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: all of this, they have been I guess, playing with

1278
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: memes that take the language that Israeli's use to justify

1279
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: their claim of the land of Israel and also claim

1280
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: of Palestine, taking that language and appropriate it, appropriating it

1281
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: themselves and saying, like many Minnesota was promised to us

1282
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: three thousand years ago, and we're the real Founding Farmers

1283
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: and all of this it's incredible, you know.

1284
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: Sort of like you just said, Founding Farmers did I

1285
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 3: really amazing great restaurant.

1286
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 5: We love it.

1287
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: Founding Fathers, They would probably claim that, well, these members

1288
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: are so good.

1289
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, we created Founding Founding Farmers.

1290
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 4: They actually were involved in that creation.

1291
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 3: I think it's from the North Dakota Farmers Union, and

1292
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 3: there are smallers in North Dakota.

1293
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 4: There you go.

1294
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure a college in North Dakota.

1295
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: So in any case, Founding Fathers, Founding Farmers, they're claiming

1296
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: it all. Let's go ahead and take a look at

1297
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: one of these memes. This is C three the way

1298
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 2: that they are using this lexicon.

1299
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 6: Brothers, behold it a white land of the north, snow everywhere,

1300
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 6: but look the skyline, just like on the old drawings.

1301
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: Three centuries are elders, behold this.

1302
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 11: Is Minis Somalia, three centuries past.

1303
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 7: It was promised to us on these horses through the snow,

1304
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 7: we have found our land at last.

1305
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: And Emily, I think, honestly, if you oppose this, I

1306
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: think you are anti Samolytic.

1307
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Speaker 5: It needs to be.

1308
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: Called out for that. It might be anti Smalite of

1309
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: the week. No start that account. Oh no, let's put

1310
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: up some more of these C four. We've got a

1311
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: whole bunch of these.

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Speaker 4: I love them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this one says, this is our proposal, and

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Speaker 2: it's got a map. It says the West Bank and

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Speaker 2: it's like California, Oregon and Washington and then the New

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Speaker 2: Jersey strain.

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Speaker 4: We've got. Let's let's see the next one.

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Speaker 2: This is then they zoom in on the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: West Bank and it has just like in the West

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Speaker 2: Bank in uh in Palestine, all these different areas that

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Speaker 2: are like Benju stands and then under control of they say,

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Speaker 2: under Somali control, under Somalian Ana control, occupied by Somali

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Speaker 2: Defense Force. So we've got that one going on. Uh,

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Speaker 2: let's see the next one. Some food appropriation here they

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Speaker 2: say Somali food and it's tacos, egg fried rice, sushi

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Speaker 2: and pizza invented by the Somali three thousand years ago.

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Speaker 2: Play on how the Israelis like to clean lots of

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Speaker 2: Middle Eastern and Mediterranean cuisine. Here we have a series

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Speaker 2: of politicians kissing the Mall of America wall.

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Speaker 3: Does this has me alyssa slot get next to Mike

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Speaker 3: Hens and Mike Bompayo between two.

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Speaker 2: Miles or is creston mill I have no idea. For

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Speaker 2: some reason, Bill Barr is involved here. We've got yeah,

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence Mike Pump.

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Speaker 5: It might be the Trump one cabinet. Yeah, that might

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Speaker 5: be supposed to cure.

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Speaker 2: Some throwbacks here, but I mean, the the legacy does

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Speaker 2: of our commitment to the mall of America goes back.

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Speaker 2: This one, Emily was a little uncomfortable with. But this

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Speaker 2: is you know there, this is a famous picture of

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Speaker 2: a guy who's from Brooklyn, right, who says, if I

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Speaker 2: don't steal, someone else will. And it's a Somali holding

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Speaker 2: up the Smalian flag. So we've got that one as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of them are a little a little problematic.

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Speaker 5: Oh some of them are very well.

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Speaker 3: I saw one Ai rendering of a Somalie Stonewall Jackson.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And now we have a you know, this sort of

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Speaker 2: infamous like manifest Destiny picture that DHS account was tweeting

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Speaker 2: out recently, and instead of like a white angel floating

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: over it's a Somali woman who actually looks a lot

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Speaker 2: like ilan Omar who was floating over all of this

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01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: so playing with the themes of you know, the Israeli

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01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: talking points and colonialism in general. And the thing I've

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Speaker 2: appreciated is they just keep going, like they keep pushing

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Speaker 2: the Lord more layer.

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 3: Likes deeper and more.

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Speaker 2: And really yeah, there's accounts now that are like, you know,

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Speaker 2: supposed to be like Apac Butmalia, and then there's the

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Speaker 2: accounts that are calling out that account and it's I'm

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Speaker 2: enjoying the whole thing. I honestly, genuinely like to make

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: a serious point about it. I think it is a

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Speaker 2: really brilliant way to respond to these attacks because listen,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think what Trump said should be called.

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Speaker 4: On as racist. It is racist.

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Speaker 2: But also, you know, it's not exactly news that Trump

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: uses racism in effectuating his policy and specifically his immigration policy.

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Speaker 2: So if you're just saying again this is racist, it's

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Speaker 2: going to not land as much, I think as since

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Speaker 2: we are all aware of that at this point. As like,

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Speaker 2: the trolling here, I think is just another another level

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Speaker 2: and a great response.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, and I'm saying this to somebody

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Speaker 3: who like thinks we have wildly underplayed the problems of integration.

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Speaker 3: I mean, smund is a completely different culture than the

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Speaker 3: United States.

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Speaker 5: In Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: This is a country that has a ninety according to UNISTAFF,

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Speaker 3: a ninety nine point nine percent rate of or ninety

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Speaker 3: nine percent rate of female general mutilation. So bringing a

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Speaker 3: culture up into northern Minnesota where you have such vast golf,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it has genuinely been a very

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: tough assimilation progress. I know, people in Minnesota feels like

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Speaker 3: they've been screaming into the void about.

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Speaker 5: This for at least a decade.

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Speaker 3: That said, uh, this trolling shows assimilation to American meme

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Speaker 3: culture in spades, because absolutely it is. I mean, there's

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: nothing more appealing than self deprecating humor. First of all,

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Speaker 3: like across the board, anyone who can be like.

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Speaker 5: Self deprecating, you realize that there's something kind of.

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Speaker 3: Funny about the idea of while he's walking across what

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Speaker 3: did they call it, the Great North, Yeah.

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 4: Across the wo there is such a potent weapon.

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Speaker 2: And then the other hilarious thing is like the people

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Speaker 2: online who are taking this seriously.

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Speaker 3: Like this is out region.

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: They think this was promising them three thousand years ago,

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: and meanwhile they're posting about like Osamli's acues are low,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, bro, So that's how.

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Speaker 3: It started with this, And yeah, if people weren't following

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: this closely, that's basically how it started. As somebody I

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: don't know who the first person was, but somebody put

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: out a video of somebody like dead serious, deadpan making

1404
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: this claim to camera, trolling Israel, saying we were promised

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01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: this land and a couple of people fell for it,

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01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 3: and we're like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, have I got something even dumber for you.

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Speaker 5: It's rough.

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Speaker 4: Look in the mirror, my friends.

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Speaker 5: Yikes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's a great it's been wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's been a sight to behold.

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Speaker 2: I mean, humor is a weapon, and this is part

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: of Trump, like why he could play with so much

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Speaker 2: just because he's money, and that is an unfortunate reality.

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Speaker 5: Of who he is. It brings people's brains, it does.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, if you're trying to otherise a people,

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Speaker 2: which is what they're trying to do, say they don't belong,

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Speaker 2: they don't fit in, they're garbage, they all need to

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Speaker 2: go blah blah blah. And your response is this incredibly relatable,

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Speaker 2: nuanced humor, which is sort of irresistible, Like you're instantly

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Speaker 2: you're instantly humanizing yourself, number one, instantly demonstrating to your

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: point a high level of cultural competency and it's disarming.

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Speaker 4: It's just fundamentally disarming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're playing on what's funny is that, like

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Speaker 3: obviously these are different cultures with different histories, and that's

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Speaker 3: like it's great self deprecating humor, and it's like aware

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Speaker 3: of the it's not running from the I don't know,

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Speaker 3: the controversy.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of leaning into it to your point about Trumpian.

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Speaker 3: Tactics, right, So it's it's very very clever and very

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Speaker 3: very funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely,