1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks. DJ and my buddy Lancer 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 3: Line here from Mobile, Alabama. We are to set the 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: scene before you. We're actually in my room. We are 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 3: getting a chance to hang out. We went to practice today. 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 3: We're going to talk on that lance about what's going 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: on down here at the Senior Bowl. 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: I'll hit on that. 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: It's going to be draft heavy today, so we'll have 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: plenty of time to get into the Super Bowl preview 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: in the future, but today talk a little bit about 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: what we saw at the Senior Bowl as well as 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: the Top fifty list just dropped today, so we'll have 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 3: lot some thune with that as well. 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: What's up man, Not much, not much, just all the 17 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: hours and hours of watching guys you know on tape. 18 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: As you know, it's just a little different when you 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: see them on tape, and then you know there's I'm 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: watching I'm starting to write late October and I write November. 21 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm working almost seven days a week righting these guys. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: But then it's funny you you go back to different 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: players later in the process when you're watching someone else, 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: and the guy you've already written up, you watch him 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: and like, wait a minute, did I see him right? 26 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Then you come out here to the Senior Bowl and 27 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: you want to see what guys look like physically, and 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: then you watch him again and you got to go 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: back to your notes and say, wait, I did I 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: write this up? And I guess one of the cool 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: things is that when you do write, you know, when 32 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: one of the things that you put on your scouting 33 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: report shows up on tape out here or not on 34 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: tape out in person, I think that's really a that's 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: a lot of fun to see that. But you know, 36 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: there are other guys that make you and it's what 37 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: it's supposed to do, make you go back and say, okay, 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: I need to I want to make sure I'm right 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: on this, because this guy was was a lot better. 40 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. Christian Jones from Texas and 41 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: mean to me, he's a Day three right tackle, only 42 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: a little bit stiff, and yet I thought he had 43 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: a really good practice today, showed some ability to anchor, 44 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: he you know, had some good run blocks as well. Well. 45 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: I thought Christian Jones is the type of guy who 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's that's what these games are for. They're 47 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: to go good on good and give you a chance 48 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: to raise your stock in it. And I don't know 49 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: if Christian Jones raised his stock yet, but he's he 50 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: trended in that direction, at least for today. So it's 51 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: it's fun to see what they look like out here, 52 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: and then just to see the one on one competition. 53 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's I know some people like teams and 54 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: for me, I just love watching the one on one competitiveness. 55 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's really, you know, kind of what 56 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: the All Star Games are all about. And we'll get 57 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: to the we'll get to the top fifty list here 58 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: in just a little bit. But you know, as we're 59 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: kind of jumping into what we've seen here at the 60 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, it's it's it's tough, though. You gotta be 61 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: careful because a lot of times you'll have your report 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: on somebody and it could be you have your eyes 63 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: trained to see the one good thing that you fell 64 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: in love with the player, and you ignore the nine 65 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: bad things that you're seeing. 66 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: With your confirmation. 67 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: So you got to you gotta be careful as you're 68 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: doing that one one thing. As we kind of get 69 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: into some of these guys here. I find it helpful 70 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: for those that you know, want to get into this, 71 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of people from college personnel departments 72 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: to listen to the show, a lot of aspiring scouts 73 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: as well. I would say it's not enough just to 74 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: watch players and to rank players. You need to write players. 75 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: You need to write summaries on them, because at least 76 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: take detailed notes and type those notes into your computer. 77 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: Because what happens is you watch them, and you watch them. 78 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: Say you watch a guy for an hour and a half, 79 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: there's that one moment that sticks in your head and 80 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: that can cause you to be too high or too low. 81 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: But when you go when you're forced to go back 82 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: through all your notes and then write them out, as 83 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: we say often in the draft room, like he reads 84 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: a little better than. 85 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Your grade, or he doesn't read quite as well as 86 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: your grade. 87 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: Like that's a good way to kind of check some 88 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: balances within your own individual personnel department. 89 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: It is interesting, and you know, so my process is 90 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I still like to write things down because it's I 91 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: don't know, just out of habit. It also reinforces, I 92 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: think of the way I want to phrase it because 93 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: I got five hundred of these to write, so phraseology 94 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: sometimes for some of the better players, I like creating 95 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: some clever phrases and things just kind of keeps me entertaining, 96 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: I guess. But I always start on the top of 97 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: are the pluses on the bottom of the minuses. I 98 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: draw a line right in the middle of the eight 99 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: and a half by eleven paper, and it is amazing. 100 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll go through a player and I'm like, holy crud, 101 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: I've got like I'm filled up with about fourteen pluses. 102 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: I remember I did that with Josh Downs last year, 103 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: and I really liked Josh Downs. But I just did 104 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: that with a guy from I don't know. I think 105 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: it was a cornerback from South Dakota. He's not at 106 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: this game. But you know, it's just it's funny that 107 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: when you go through your notes and when you see 108 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: the plus the amount of pluses you have and the 109 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: amount of minuses, and then you think of what your 110 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: grade is and you see, wait a minute, I'm a 111 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: little heavy on the minuses. Why am I? Why am 112 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: I giving him this grade? You have to go and 113 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: see what the minuses, and sometimes they're not a big 114 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a big deal. And sometimes you're 115 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: writing the same thing three or four times. Doesn't do 116 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: this well? Had trouble with this and you realize, Okay, 117 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: I just I just wrote down the same thing multiple times. 118 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: But that means I saw it a lot, so that's 119 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: a problem. But I think the other great thing about 120 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: writing notes is I was told this by an NFL 121 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: general manager years ago. He said, you know, the really 122 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: good thing and I've noticed this with people who work 123 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL, the ability to get to what you 124 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: see quickly and to be concise, because it's not my 125 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: strong suit. I'm not a concise person. But to be 126 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: able to say who a guy is and about five 127 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: sentences is you should be able to boil a player 128 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: down like that. And I do you think that's feasible? 129 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: Did you have to do that in the league? 130 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 3: So I there was guys who wrote extremely long reports 131 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: that I worked with, And so I'm trying to pull 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: up when I'm in searching for one edgement talking here, 133 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: I'll find it. But no, I used to always try 134 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: and challenge myself to see how condensed I could make it, 135 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: and then doing the stuff that I do for NFL 136 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: dot Com, you want to look up the top fifty 137 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: reports there. So I just have to publish the fifty summaries. 138 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: When I put those on there, kind I can word count, 139 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: you know, on your word document. So one hundred and 140 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: fifty words is kind of my target, and I'm okay 141 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 3: with being anywhere below it. 142 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: I just try not to go above it. 143 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: And I find that the reports that I feel like 144 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: are the most succinct are usually the easier players to write, 145 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: and usually the more accurate grades, the more you're having 146 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: to explain something that's usually not a great sign. 147 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, 148 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: you know. I also think why it's important to be 149 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: out here to at events like this is that, you know, 150 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: you kind of I think it's cool to go see 151 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: where what's Mike Tomlin doing, what's he looking at? What's 152 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: his demeanor? Like I saw Chris Baller talking to Jay 153 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Norvelt today on the sideline. You know, if you're if 154 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: you're a fan of football, if you're a fan of 155 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: the draft process, watching which different gms, Ryan Poles and 156 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: his number two and coming him where, you know they're 157 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: really locking in on oline D line, which online is 158 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: not a huge weakness for them. I mean, I know 159 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: they need it, they need a center, but they're Darnel 160 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Wright came along, Braxton. I think they're happy with so. 161 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: But you know, everyone's always looking for rush, and this 162 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: is a really good year for past rush. And we 163 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: saw some of that in the in the Senior Bowl today, 164 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: we saw some of those rushers that are going to 165 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: be uh talented on the next level. 166 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: I was trying to find this report and I don't know, 167 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't find it. 168 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: Man. 169 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: I I was so proud of myself because you're just 170 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: trying to come up with different ways to say things. Oh, oh, 171 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: here it is, I found it, Okay, Malki Corley. Yeah, 172 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: I think it's the first time I've used this word 173 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: in a report. I don't know why. I was so 174 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: proud of myself. It's a pretty basic word. I just 175 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: don't use it. It's a cool spelling. So I wasn't 176 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: asked this is the middle of report. Wasn't asked to 177 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: run a lot of traditional routes system at Western Kentucky. 178 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: But I don't see any physical limitations or stiffness that 179 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: would preclude him from developing a more diverse route repertoire. 180 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: I just let's just throw a route treat. And you 181 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: know I've writen route for a million times. Let's get 182 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: a new word. I've used it, but not enough, and 183 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna steal it. I invented a new one this 184 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: year for. 185 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: LADDI McConkie, and it's just came to me after I 186 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: watched him. I said, you know how we talk about 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: guys having rush plans, like running backs having our defensive 188 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: ends having rush plans. You gotta have a rush plane. 189 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're thinking about what you're gonna do. 190 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: You're setting guys up. You're gonna you're gonna go this 191 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: way and this way and your first two and then 192 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna hit him with this countermove. And I said, 193 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: I'm watching McConkie. I think he's got route plans like 194 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: he he is working through how he's going to do 195 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: this with his routes. And so I use the phrase 196 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: route plan this year because I think that's what he 197 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: I think that's what he does. I think Ladd McConkie, 198 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Ricky Piersoll, I think I'm trying to come up with 199 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: who the other one. I've seen a really guy who 200 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: is really clever with his routes in the second round. 201 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: I think see Van Jefferson is one of the best 202 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: rap playing guys when he was out here. But I 203 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: think that's a real thing too. I think there are 204 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: clearly some wide receivers who make it a point to 205 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: set you up, just like a pass rusher may. 206 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: Set you up. No, that's one hundred percent true. But 207 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: do you find yourself searching for new I've. 208 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: Got the source, dude, I got all my bookmarks on 209 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, I've got a thesaurus there, and absolutely 210 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: I'll say exciting. Give me a synonym, yeah, and I 211 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: need a synonym for electric. I need a synonym for 212 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: explos dynamic, dynamic. Yeah, and there's I've been through. I've 213 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: written almost five thousand of these now, so it's weak 214 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: to do. 215 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: I should have consulted it again when I wrote these. 216 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: But we have a document way back in the day 217 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: with the Ravens where we sat and just brainstorm terms 218 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: at training camp one year, and we just firing them 219 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: out one after They're just a shotgunning them out, and 220 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: then I printed we printed them out and so then 221 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: we gave them to everybody, so it was just like 222 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: your own little scouting the thesaurus there to be able 223 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: to tap in. But like, I find it interesting when 224 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: you're writing players at the same position, a bunch of 225 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: them in a row. It doesn't like if you just 226 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: jump around, you don't even realize you're saying a lot 227 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 3: of the same things. But if you're doing one after another, 228 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I've written that this tackle explodes out 229 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: of his stance five reports in a row. Now I 230 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: got to say that differently, even though it's it's just 231 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: what you see and. 232 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Off the mark. 233 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: And then you're doing receivers and he's a long strider, 234 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: so then I went from long strider. He's got a 235 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: gliding stride too. He's almost kind of floats as you run. 236 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: You know, you just try. It's so dumb, but you 237 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: say the same things. 238 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I've got something. This is things I've gotten from other 239 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: Scouts coaches, things like that, here are some attitude and 240 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: finish dominant trench if let me see, let me see 241 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: second reaction plays is something. 242 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: That I told. I told you my mind that I 243 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: don't know. 244 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure that others have used it, but I'm claiming 245 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: it as my own because I hadn't heard it on TV, 246 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: and so that I've used it, A bunch is exhausting 247 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: the down. 248 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: Wait say it again, exhausting the down. 249 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: So that is a play extend. 250 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: That's that's to me as a quarterback who's not going 251 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: to throw the ball away, he's not going to take 252 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: the first read. He's going to exhaust every millisecond of 253 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: time that he has in order to try and make 254 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: a play. 255 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: I do that with running backs in terms of squeezing 256 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: mac shardage out of the run. But that's a great phrase, 257 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: exhausting to play. That's a really Dane Brugler does a 258 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: good job of coming up with these Kaka Amy words. 259 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: Make me feel jealous. Let's see break even strength offensive lineman. 260 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: With break even strength, I think is a decent term 261 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: for neutralized. There's one for you. 262 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: Have you ever we had our old scout with the 263 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: Ravens for offensive lineman, used to use it, used to 264 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: use the term a woodhuller. No, that's that so, and 265 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: now I'm in my room and a show lands this, 266 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: so you don't get to see it. 267 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: But if you think about it, if you pick up 268 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: a bunch. 269 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: Of wood, you're calling wood, Yeah, laying in your back. 270 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: But Oh yeah, you can't drop. 271 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: Your knees and bend your knees as in past detection. 272 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: But you've got to kind of like thrust back your 273 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: home off with your life as you're getting bent backwards 274 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: like you're you're carrying a big. 275 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: Old that's great. Yeah, there's I'm looking at a lot 276 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: of these camp I've never used. This one can hold 277 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, but won't change it. I got 278 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: that from an offensive line coach. Closest cushion, a tax 279 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: leveraginggainst man. Let's see fight through contact on roundestand that's 280 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: easy ones. But uh one about saving the catch box. 281 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of little things. Clog the drain, defensive tackle. 282 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: There you go, drain clogger. Here's here's one. Here's one 283 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: for you, and we'll get into some more players. I 284 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: hope you wanted to get back to the players here. 285 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've become big on 286 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: over the last few years, and this goes back to 287 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: really something Andy Reid said when I was at the Eagles, 288 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: which was just, you know, everybody either brings energy or 289 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: they suck energy in the building. 290 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: I find myself more more when you're when you're watching 291 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: them interviews, You're going to get a chance for their personality. 292 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: There's some guys you can feel them through the tape. 293 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: You can feel their energy. There's a bounce home, there's 294 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: an excitement with how they play the goal. 295 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Malachi Corley. 296 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 297 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: I find myself gravitate more to those guys and giving 298 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: those guys the ball. 299 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: The Saint Flowers was that guy. 300 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could feel it. 301 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: Tank Dell was that guy. Like you could feel those 302 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: guys on tables, And if you watch long enough, you 303 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: do start to feel certain players. And there's other players 304 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: that you're like, I haven't written anything on my paper 305 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: at all, Like I don't haven't written a plus a minus. 306 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm just I gotta start looking for things I can 307 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: write for pluses and minuses, going I want to get 308 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: to the next guy. But yeah, there are certain. 309 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: Guys that was to me last year with Witherspoon. 310 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: It's crazy that you say that because Weatherspoon is I 311 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: love the ball skills, but there were some elements of 312 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: his game that I struggled with. I didn't have as 313 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: big as big a number on him as some others did, 314 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: but I thought he was good. You know, I think 315 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: he's he's still good. A lot of times that will 316 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,479 Speaker 1: be that way for me with offensive lineman with safeties. 317 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: Safeties for me, oh my gosh, it can be a long, 318 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: long run with a safety. But what I've noticed is 319 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: if you're not flashing enough like usually, if you're not, 320 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: if I'm having to wait and I can't really find 321 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: a lot of things, then that's not great typically because 322 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: you're not. I mean, you gotta there needs to be 323 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: something that that bounces off the charts. I'll tell you 324 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: an energy guy, this yere Jared Verse who's not here. 325 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: We want to talk about one like a dynamite explosion. Well, 326 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean a. 327 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: Lot too from from U. C. L A. I mean 328 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: you you you see him and you feel him on tape, 329 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: and there's a few of these guys that play with 330 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: so much energy. Florida State fiskey. 331 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a good day to day. All right, 332 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: let's do this real quick. 333 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: If you can do this soft top of your head, 334 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: let's just do Let's just do four guys each. 335 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: We'll just go every other one. There's a guy, just 336 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: a guy that. 337 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: Stood out to you and all started off with look 338 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: Fuaga tackle from Oregon State. I watched him. I thought 339 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: his tapes as good as any tackle in this draft class. 340 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: He ended up being my third tackle, but I, uh, 341 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: let me see it was he my third tackle? No, yeah, 342 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: he's my second tackle. So I had all and then 343 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: Adams my second tackle. And I'm telling you, man, and 344 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: see him in person. He carries three hundred and thirty pounds. Well, 345 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: his arms are a little bit longer than people thought 346 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: they would be, and he was pretty dominant out here 347 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: day one. So I'm sitting here going is he in 348 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: the mix to be the first tackle? 349 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: I think he is? 350 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: But is he right? Only? 351 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: Oh? I think he played left? 352 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: He played left. I don't think he has played. 353 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: Left he would translate. 354 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: One of the things my dad told me about this 355 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: is he had Max Starts in UH in Pittsburgh and 356 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: everyone thought Max is right, But the fact is Max couldn't. Really, 357 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: there are some offensive linemen who just don't feel just 358 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: like hitting right handed and left handed don't feel the same. 359 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: Here's my question, certain direction to the Detroit Lions. 360 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: You think they're getting value out of their right tackle? 361 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, do 362 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: teams value a right tackle that early inside the top eight. 363 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: I just don't think you really look at it as 364 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: much as right You really. 365 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Can't need more, and certain teams really won't if they 366 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: already have a good left tackle. 367 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: You want to see the best pass versions in the 368 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: league on that side. 369 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so TJ Watch comes in on that side a lot. 370 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 371 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: So anyways, that he was my He was my number 372 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: one takeaway today. 373 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: I'll stay offensive line because I wrote an article about 374 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: this guy who I thought really helped themselves. I thought 375 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Geidon was fantastic really on tape. I liked him 376 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot. He's only got a thousand snatll lit over 377 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: a thousand starts. How many snaps it's like a thousand 378 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: and fifty I think, Yeah, And but man is he talented? 379 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: Like on tape, Heece as talented as probably most of 380 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: the tackles in this draft, but he hasn't played as much. 381 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: He uses his hands well, but I thought he did 382 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: a really good job the combination of being able to 383 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to anchor against bull rushes and then being able he 384 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: got hit with a couple of spin moves. And when 385 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: you use independent hands, I mean he's not a two 386 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: hand punch, you're able to really corral, you know, the spinners. 387 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: And I thought he did a great job handling counters, 388 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: handling strength. I thought Tyler Guiden did a really good job. 389 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: This is a very deep, deep, trap tackle draft, as 390 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, and he's one of those guys. To me, DJ, 391 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: they could fly up. 392 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: If I told you he's a tenth or twelfth pick. 393 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: It's not going to be a seventh right now. 394 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: He's my seventeenth player. 395 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, right now he's not going to be 396 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: that high. But after this week, I wouldn't shock you know, 397 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me because he's long, He's big, long, talented, 398 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: he's thirty four plus in arms, he's six seven to 399 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: two or three twenty something. So I mean, this guy's 400 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: got great size, athletic feet, good hands. He's he's going 401 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: to go higher than some people probably think. 402 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: Yep. 403 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: So there's a couple offensive lineman. Let me get us 404 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: to some players outside that position. Let's go to the 405 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: defensive side of the ball. Gabe Haul from Baylor. Gabe 406 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: Hall is six oh five, six to ninety. 407 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: How does he look on the hoof? 408 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, and he's got thirty four and three 409 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: eight's arms. So he is big, he is long, He's 410 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: got that kind of looping arm over from the free technique. 411 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: He saw him win several times in one on ones 412 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: today with that little swim move. But he reminded me 413 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: just watching him do that, I'm like, kind of gives 414 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: me like almost a little bit of a Trevor Price vibe, like. 415 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: You might say, Kim law Well. 416 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: I compare him a men and who is like who 417 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: I thought he was. But he's much I think, I 418 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: don't think a minut who was that big. He's ninety 419 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 3: pounds game halsa. 420 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so as he was, and I have to do. 421 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 3: I haven't done a lot on him, so I got 422 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 3: to watch his tape, but I was I was excited 423 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: what I saw to that. 424 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: He's got some flashes on tape. It's a little inconsistent, 425 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: but when you see guys that look like that, those 426 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: traits usually go high and any flashes, it's the same move. 427 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: I saw a lot that arm over, but it kept 428 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: winning time and time again. I'll go back, I'll go 429 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: on the defensive side. I thought, I thought Chris Braswell 430 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: did a nice job today from Alabama. He was so 431 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: he's got a diverse set of skills as a pass rusher, 432 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: but I didn't think he's real good against the run 433 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: at Alabama. But I tell you what, he was ultra 434 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: physical today, really getting You know, Alabama guys are always 435 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: going to be very technically sound on the offensive line 436 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: of defensive line. You know that going in they're gonna 437 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: be able to play the run. You know their hands 438 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: are going to be where they're supposed to be. They're 439 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: very technically sound. But I'll tell you what I thought, 440 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: he was extremely physical at the point of attack. Some 441 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: of the stuff about you know, physicality and how he 442 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: would play the run, he kind of made me interested 443 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: in going back and see if I saw him this 444 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: physical on tape because in any bull rush, Patrick Paul 445 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: right into the quarterback on one and and you know 446 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: Paul is a big guy with long arms. But Braswell 447 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: to him to crank up that power. And the knock 448 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: on him really is that he hasn't played a ton 449 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: of football because he's been sitting behind some pretty good 450 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: players at Alabama. He finally got a shot and he 451 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: really elevated his play. So I thought Christian Braswell, Chris 452 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Braswell had a good game A good practice to that. 453 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: He's my forty six player, and you talk about whole 454 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: against the run, so he he's two different guys against 455 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 3: the run. So when they line him up tight and 456 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: he's and he's in like a four eye and he's yeah, 457 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: that's he gets killed. That's not who he is. You're 458 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: asking to do something that that's not who he is. 459 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: I thought when he was out on the edge, I 460 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: thought he was a firm edge setter on perimeter runs. 461 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: I thought he made plays in the backside and chase 462 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 3: against run. I said the last line the overall bras 463 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: was room for improvement, but I thought he had three 464 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: down potential, and then as a rusher, he didn't have 465 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: a lot of success rushing through the numbers. 466 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: You know, he's got kind of that unique little. 467 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: Chop uh you know that little jump chop rip mover 468 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: where he kind of literally is up in the air 469 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: using his hands, which is the way you get. 470 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: A lot of guys using Yeah, it's kind of funny. 471 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: It's the third step and they take a long jumping 472 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: and then from I mean there's been a lot of 473 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: guys using it. To use it to a lot of guys, 474 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: which is what do you not like it if you 475 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: get caught, you get. 476 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Caught your light round? 477 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 478 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: So anyways, but that he's uh, he has had success 479 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: otherways getting the quarterback, not just through your chests. I 480 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: didn't think he had that pure power. Today he flash 481 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 3: a little with that power. So that was that was 482 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: good to see. That's a good one. There, I will go. 483 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: I'll just give you one more here. Let's go to 484 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: the let's go to the wide receivers, and let's go 485 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: with Roman Wilson from Michigan. Awesome day, man, he can fly. 486 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: He's gonna run low four threes. 487 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: Man. 488 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: So I think, let me ask you this when I 489 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: watch him. So I just got done watching CJ. 490 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: Stroud. 491 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: And when you watch a quarterback with that level of accuracy, 492 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: you realize, I mean, if if if Roman Wilson played 493 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: for the Texans in Bobby Slowyck's levels concept with and 494 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: where he gets to travel around the field across the 495 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: hashes and it's not a bunch of stark stop stuff 496 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: with his four as you said, for low four to 497 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: three speed, and you have an accurate quarterback throwing to 498 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: him at twelve I think it was twelve touchdowns this year. 499 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: He never got to one thousand yards at Michigan. But 500 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: that's the offense. I think. I think if he gets 501 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: with an accurate quarterback or with a good team that 502 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: needs some like you you stick him with Kansas City. 503 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: You say, like you're talking about a team that has 504 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: an accurate quarterback, needs some speed, and maybe he's familiar 505 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: with him. 506 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. 507 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: It was really struggling to come up with. 508 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, really, who could you come up with? 509 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Gosh's where does coach goil again? 510 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Uh see Chargers? 511 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. 512 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: And then you have Justin Herbert. I mean I think 513 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: he I think Roman Wilson, he's gonna work out the slot, 514 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: although he's got speed to play outside. They ran him out. 515 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: They ran him from the slot a lot at Michigan. 516 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: But I like, I thought Roman was great today. And 517 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: you know what else, He actually is better with contested catches. 518 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: I always go look at contested catches with ever. 519 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: I heard that story on my computer. 520 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a better contested catch guy than you would 521 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: think for a guy who's one eighty five, way better. 522 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: And it's it's not unusual to see guys who don't 523 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: do well in contested catches who are smaller. Xavier Worthy 524 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: from Texas. He's not at this game. Just not a 525 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: good contested catch guy. And it bothers me. Roman Wilson 526 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. 527 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite number. By the way, it's cool 528 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 3: with pff OL. You can pull up all these stats 529 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: and we have all these collections of me and Lance 530 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: talk about this nerdy stuff all the time. 531 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: But my favorite of all of them, and I put 532 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: like the. 533 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: Top I don't know, maybe twenty five or so wide 534 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: outs as I had him ranked, and I want to see, 535 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, some different numbers that one of my favorites 536 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: is this one because he's at this game, so you've 537 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: got let's go the juxtaposit in this game. Devontees Walker 538 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: from North Carolina receiver right tes Walker. Yeah, average depth 539 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: of target eighteen point six. 540 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: It's all he does. 541 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: He's gone Malachi Corley average depth of target six point one. 542 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: So just some people know Malachi might cop on him. 543 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Is debo. He's two and fifteen. 544 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: Pounds of pure violence. 545 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: He is a violent, violent player. He is such a 546 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: physical runner. 547 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: I mean he's had got seven hundred and nine yards 548 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: after the catch, which is the most. 549 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, he used to kill guys for stuff like that. 550 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't care anymore because. 551 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: Get in his hands, let the girl. 552 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: You know who he is, like, you know who he is, 553 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: who he's going to be. And so what's gonna happen 554 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: is when you have him, you're gonna have a plan 555 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: form because there's it's clear what type of a player 556 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: he is and how you're going to use him, at 557 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: least how you should. So, yeah, that's a good one. 558 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: I like Roman Wilson a lot, and Corley is a different, 559 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: completely different flavor of ice cream. And yet you need 560 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: to have you know, Shakir Khalil Shakir from from he 561 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: was the same kind of guy, a lot of short 562 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: target stuff, but he's super competitive. It's show me a 563 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: guy who's good at football and is really competitive and 564 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: they're going to play. That's how it works now. One 565 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: of those guys is lad McConkey. So Ladi Merconkie is 566 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: about one hundred and eighty seven pounds about five or 567 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: eleven that's not bad size from a slot although they 568 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: used him outside at at some at Georgia. He's gonna 569 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: run really fast. He's fast on tape. He can push 570 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: you down off the field but man, he was snapping 571 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: routes off and I meant said earlier the route plan. 572 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: I think his ability to create separation all over the field, 573 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, on all three levels. I think he can 574 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: do it is why he's really going to stand out. 575 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I think he's going to go in the second round. 576 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: And I think for me, McConkey is one of those 577 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: guys that that is going to be a helpful starting 578 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: slot early on in his career. And I just think 579 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: he has what it takes to get open. 580 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: Yep. 581 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: I think of the name I brought up the other 582 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: day with him was the why am I blanking on 583 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: his name. 584 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: Out of U C. L A for the Titans. Oh 585 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: Phillips yep. Yeah. 586 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: Kyle Phillips yep. 587 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: Kyle Phillips him too, Yeah. 588 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: And Kyle was likely I think. And then you know, 589 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Kyle was very polished. 590 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: He's great, he's faster. Yeah. 591 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: But so we're gonna take quick break, we'll come back, 592 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: we'll jump into a couple of nuggets on this top fifty, 593 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 3: and then we'll let you run here. Let you get 594 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 3: out of here as we come to you live here 595 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: from mobile, all right, Lance, I do want to touch 596 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: on one of the number one O, the PFF number, 597 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: and then we'll lead us right into the top fifty. 598 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: So I'm a huge Roman Doomsday guy. You are a 599 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: big Roman Doomsay fan. 600 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: I like him. 601 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: So I have on my top fifty list, I have 602 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. He comes in at number one, Marvin Harrison's 603 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: number two. Roman Doomsday's number three. Didn't get a lot 604 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: of talk from people on social media about the first two. 605 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: Nobody seems to have any issue with that. Boy. 606 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: People do not understand how I can be so high 607 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: Roman Dune say, let me just give you one, just 608 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: one little snippet nugget here. We talked about contested catches 609 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 3: a little bit ago. How about can you can you finish? 610 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 3: Can you finish in the blood area? 611 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: Can you finish? 612 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: Okay? What was he twenty thirty? Is that? 613 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 3: What is that his contested catch percentage of sixty seven 614 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: point seven percent? Yeah, so that's that seems pretty Let 615 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: me put it in context for you. The next closest 616 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: one of the top I've got twenty two receivers, the 617 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: top twenty two receivers in the draft. The next closest 618 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: one was at fifty five point six. So he's he's 619 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: twelve percent. That do you remember that's a Nia Smith 620 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: who we have out here from uh and little guy 621 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 3: and then. 622 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: That's not even doesn't even really count to me. 623 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: He's not even a big guy who's gonna had a 624 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 3: bunch of these things. So well, let's compare them. Okay, Well, 625 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: how about with Marvin Harrison. You're Marvin Harrison Junior. I 626 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: can test to catch is caught forty one point two percent. Yeah, 627 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: he was sixty seven point seven percent. 628 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this. 629 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: Dude can run every route he is. He's what twelve 630 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: pounds heavier than Marvin, he's seventeen pounds. He's gonna run 631 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: a low four fours, low to mid four fours to 632 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: you know, two hundred and seventeen plus pounds. I comped 633 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: him to Larry Fitzgerald. That's my count too, and he's 634 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 3: he's I think he's my cop Or is that? 635 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: Or do you have him for Marvin? I thought you 636 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: might have had him from Marvin. 637 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: He might be for Marvin. 638 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: But anyway, my guys are they're they're close. Marvin was 639 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 3: weighed in the spring by sketchy ways. He was two seventeen. 640 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: I have neighbors of the third wide out neighbors I 641 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: have at seven. But here's the thing we talked earlier 642 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: about when you write guys, right, you watch him, you 643 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: slap a grade on them, and then you write them. 644 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: So my grade for him is just a notch below 645 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 3: those other two. Well, then I go back through all 646 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: my notes and I'm writing at my summary. It's a 647 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: good positive, okay, freaking dynamic special Yeah, well it's. 648 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: Reads a little reads a little better. 649 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: Give him neighbors, yeah, but I've got you know, one 650 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: of the things with him is he will let balls 651 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 3: travel into his chest. 652 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: We don't drop the ball. 653 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: You know where I have neighbors right now? 654 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: Two one? 655 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: You have but number one, number one player. 656 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: That's bold. I like it. 657 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Caleb is the for me. Caleb 658 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: is not the best player in the draft. Well, he 659 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: may be, just some of his some of the tape 660 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: bothered me this year. I went back to last used 661 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: to always you worried about all the extending, all the 662 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: play exhaustion. I want to see him keep it on 663 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: schedule a little bit. 664 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: If you want, do you want do you want to 665 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: do storytime real quick? 666 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? 667 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: Can I just read him? My, I'll read you my 668 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 2: report and and you can give me your real time reaction. 669 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 4: Now, kids, gather around the gather around the turn a 670 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: fire on, Yeah, turn a fire on if you need 671 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: to gather around the speaker here and Uncle Daniel is 672 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 4: about to read your report. 673 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: From Caleb Williams. All right, guys, here we go. Williams 674 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: has average height and a thick muscular build. I feel 675 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: like I should be doing this in like a the 676 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: Liam Nisson's voice. He's a natural thrower. He delivers the 677 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: ball with accuracy and velocity from a variety of platforms 678 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: and arm angles. He can power the ball to tight 679 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: windows while stationary or on the move. He can also 680 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: finesse the ball when needed. That's a big part of 681 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: the evaluation. He has lightning quick hands in the RPO game. 682 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: He's a dynamic runner, makes defenders look silly in space. 683 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: He can run value through you or make you miss. 684 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: He did fall into some bad habits at USC during 685 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: the twenty three season. He hunts big plays and always 686 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: looks to exhaust plays with his legs instead of taking checkdowns. Also, 687 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: he can get too loose with the ball when creating, 688 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: swinging wildly, which which leads to fumbles. His creativity makes 689 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: him special, but he will need to play more on 690 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: schedule at the next level. Overall, Williams has the areas 691 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: in which he needs to improve, but he has franchise 692 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 3: altering upside. 693 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: I have him number three. I mean everything that you 694 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: said I saw. I went in thinking I might have 695 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: him higher based on last year's tape, but he had 696 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: some of the same. There are some still some things 697 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: in last year's tape where I tell you I'm so 698 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm so gun shy after I'll never forbid get being 699 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: at NFL Films with Ron Jaworski and Greg Cosel and 700 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: we were doing this mock drafting at NFL Films and 701 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: it was fourteen when Johnny Manzel was coming out and 702 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I was just boy, Johnny Manziel, this, that and the other. 703 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: And there was somebody else there at the table too. 704 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: It is like a mock draft that they have. And 705 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: I was talking about, you know, he's just specially can 706 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: do this and that, and it was Joss, let's go 707 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: upstairs and let's go watch some of them together. I say, right, 708 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Josh set the trap. We went up there and that's 709 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: when I realized, with watching with Jaws, how important having 710 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: that game tape was because you see that he was 711 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: not an anticipatory thrower at all, needed everything to come 712 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: off off schedule. And the one thing that bothered me 713 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: with Caleb is I felt like there were some times, 714 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: like you said, instead of just playing first read, he 715 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: just or planing to keep the sticks moving and let's go, 716 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: let's get into a rhythm. He just was playing such 717 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: he roll balls, maybe not fair, and I know he 718 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: felt the I know he felt the pressure to do so, 719 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: but that was something that bothered me. But the thing 720 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: that separates him and Drake May for me is that 721 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Caleb has Drake's got the best package of highweight you know, 722 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: arm talent and all the arm strength. But man, Caleb 723 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: Williams when he's on, when he does something, when he's 724 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 1: on time and in rhythm in the pocket, the ball 725 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: is just different coming out of his hands. I mean 726 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: he puts it into small spaces without even thinking twice. 727 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: I just thought he was really special. I've got him 728 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: as my third player. I got Marvin number two. But neighbors, 729 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: we just talked about neighbors for a second. Neighbors have 730 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: some freaky speed. He's a good contested catch guy. I 731 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: don't know what the numbers are, but I remember Neighbors 732 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: making some just headline catches. But to your point, with 733 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: a dunesday, I thought Neighbors is a good contested catch guy. 734 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: Sixty six is sixty percent is almost unheard of. That 735 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: ulous for high contested catch guys. Now, do you ever 736 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: get worried about guys who have to make too many 737 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: contested catches? Because I thought he would glide almost daring 738 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: contested catches because he knew he could win jump boss. 739 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: So things on that number one. They throw a lot 740 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: of back shoulders. So I think you can get in 741 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: trouble on contested catch numbers when you get freaked out 742 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: of man. A lot of contested catches means he's covered, 743 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: he's not getting away, he's not such as intentional. His 744 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: is a lot of back shoulder throws. That's how it's designed. 745 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to I want to just finish up to 746 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: kill it, Williams thing real quick. 747 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me okay, I'm going to find this 748 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: or is it? 749 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: I'm curious. I'm now just pulling this up without having 750 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 3: looked at it. But all right, telling you a different 751 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: quarterback ideal arm strength size and. 752 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: Mobility, quick feet, fluid release. 753 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: At his best, driving the ball generates Outrage's velocity, can 754 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: put the ball in tight windows. Needs to improve on 755 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: touch throws, but he can change ball speed. Needs to 756 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: throw with more anticipation or time he locks on. Has 757 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 3: roomed to improve overall ball placement. Their numerous drop balls 758 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: by his receivers. Combination of athleticism strength allows him to 759 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: avoid free rushers and shake off tacklers. Aggressive runner, effective 760 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 3: on design QB runs and scrambles. He isn't a finished product, 761 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: but unlimited upside provided his drafting team has some patience 762 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: that with josh Allen. Oh yeah, so at some point 763 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: in time you just account like that. The he's such 764 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: a natural talent of like the athlete and one of 765 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 3: the things. 766 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: That he was more polished than Joshua is too. 767 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: No, no, and I mean there's just as a thrower 768 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: there is. It is every kind of throw. He can 769 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: do it, and he makes it look easy. And I'm 770 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: not I want this is hyperbole, because there is I 771 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: wish he played on time, trust me, that would make 772 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 3: the evaluation so much easier. 773 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: He might have the quickest hands at any quarterback. 774 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: It is even amazing that when I started doing this 775 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: for NFL back in the fourteen season, fifteen draft top 776 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks were Jamis and Marcus Mariota, and Marcus was 777 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, you can figure out Marcus a little bit 778 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: because he was, you know, on a gimmicky offense and 779 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: Jamis's pro style. This is how you you know this 780 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: is now, this is what you look for. It's easy 781 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: to do an evaluation. Fast forward to the twenty twenty 782 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: four draft, and man hand quickness and RPO stuff is 783 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: incredibly important. The ability to fake and then whip it 784 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: out to the outside for a little wide receiver screen 785 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: like all of that, the footwork and hands working in 786 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: tandem to to get quick game going. That's something I 787 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: would have never thought about riding up because it was 788 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: such a college element element years ago. I remember when 789 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: you and I was giving you, I was giving you 790 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: snaps for quarterbacks of pistol under center. And now we 791 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: don't even see pistol anymore, and now it's mostly gun. 792 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: It's going to be like seventy plus gun again. 793 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: This is a free, fulling conversation. Here's the whole enjoyed it. 794 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: We get, I get tangents, but three quarterbacks I want 795 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 3: you to stack them for your grades. Okay, ready, RG three, 796 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 3: Marcus Mariota, Jade Daniels coming out, coming at your grades, 797 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 3: coming out. 798 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So it would have been RG three, Jade and Daniels, 799 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: and then Marcus Mariota had back into the first I 800 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: wasn't as as high. And my problem with him was 801 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: he's a he's a conservative blackjack player, meaning he could 802 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: see where he was being baited and he would hold off, 803 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: which I love that. That's why his interception totals were low. 804 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: But he also couldn't he didn't want to. He didn't 805 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: want to hit on sixteen, like sometimes you got to 806 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: take shots. 807 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 2: That. 808 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think once you have that, it's 809 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: hard to get out of it. It's kind of the 810 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: woe versus go versus whoa scenario. But I'm a big 811 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels fan. I do like him too. If you 812 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: were two hundred and twenty five pounds, I think would 813 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: be an interesting number one time. 814 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: I know one thing. 815 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 3: I've got Drake May at four and him at five. 816 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 3: I've said they're going to travel together through the process 817 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: and we'll sort it out by the time we get 818 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 3: to the draft. 819 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 2: But I know, being down here in Mobile. 820 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 3: NFL's down here, a lot of friends down here in 821 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: pretty pretty high up positions in these organizations, and there's 822 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 3: love on these streets for Jaden Daniels. 823 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: I can say I talked to an NFL guy today 824 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: who thinks that may could be the guy who falls 825 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: in this draft. He compared him to Levis and could be. 826 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. But this is 827 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: a guy who, you know, who I think is a 828 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: pretty good evaluator, and he thinks that that I said, 829 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: what about Jade and Daniel? He goes, Jaan's really Jamean's 830 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: really talented, because you know, he's the rare duel He's 831 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: the rare dual threat quarterback who he's as good on 832 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: the he's as good in the in the pocket, beating you. Yeah, 833 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: he is a way. 834 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, he can play on time, on schedule, accurate, all 835 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 3: that jazz. 836 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, watching him, I was I was very pleased with 837 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: what I saw. And you and I have talked about 838 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: this bo Nix. I mean, we got more time to 839 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: get into this stuff. But I think bo Nicks is 840 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: going to surprise a lot of people who just wrote 841 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: them off after Auburn, and they don't really pay attention 842 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: to Pack twelve football. Boenix had a really good season. YEP. 843 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: At all the different metrics you can look. 844 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: For, no doubt. All right, we uh, we gave you 845 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: a little taste there. You can find the top fifty. 846 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: Just go to NFL dot com. You will locate it. 847 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 3: There. 848 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 2: You can read all the summaries on these. 849 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: We were making changes after Singer Bowl. 850 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 3: I usually wait a couple of weeks after Senior Bowl, 851 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 3: usually right before the Combine. 852 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: I'll do enough that once I get it. 853 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: But you guys know what you're putting in your computer. 854 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a couple. 855 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 3: I've got a good story note on here, but I'm 856 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 3: safe for the combine. Little teaser, all right, Lantier Trooper, buddy, 857 00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 3: thank you for doing that. 858 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: I really appreciate. All Right, that's it. Well, we'll catch 859 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: it next time. Hiding on the listings. 860 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: M hm hm