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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is balling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc You know, the first intro of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make it a good one, don't you think

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Speaker 1: it should be like a statement intro, sort of like

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Speaker 1: the first play you're gonna run in the first regular

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Speaker 1: season game. So as I mull over the options, I'm

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Speaker 1: saying to myself, all right, I don't have poly podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know, don't throw out there some variation of okay,

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Speaker 1: we're playing for keeps now because Darren Danny's not going

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Speaker 1: to really know that, and she shouldn't really know you

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Speaker 1: know that whole reference, that movie line, reference, the whole

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Speaker 1: Bill Murray thing from caddy Shacks Circle, like nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen that. Sorry, yep, so there you

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Speaker 1: okay sort of it. You like George Washington, She's heard

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Speaker 1: of George Washington and Caddyshack. It's it's see decision making.

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Speaker 1: You gotta read and react here when you're running a podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit that I contribute each week here

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Speaker 1: on Cardinal's Underground. So I don't know. Maybe I'll go

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Speaker 1: with tis this season the regular season, or I could

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Speaker 1: just rehash what I busted out on Wolf about an

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Speaker 1: hour ago, that there are two kinds of people in

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Speaker 1: this world, those who are regular season ready and those

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Speaker 1: who are not. And you know what, you have the

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Speaker 1: next hour or so here on Cardinal's Underground to prove

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Speaker 1: our regular season ready Darren urban Well, I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: pressures on where you worry. Is there a concern that

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Yes, he's got a notepad and he's got

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Speaker 1: his list, he looks regular season, he looks the part

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Speaker 1: he's in uniform. Well, at least we're this week. That's

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Speaker 1: a plus. Or that's true. That is right, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Is there anything I need to know on that front?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys are good to go here? Do I

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Speaker 1: have any should should I keep my distance? Should get

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Speaker 1: some more separation? Should this be like somebody going over

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Speaker 1: I should I give a little more of a cushion

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Speaker 1: around you guys at this point? See I did I

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Speaker 1: do that to you when when you were a similar position?

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Speaker 1: I don't think. So it's at least not in front.

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Speaker 1: Not at least not on the air. You're not on

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Speaker 1: the air. I never bring that up on the air

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Speaker 1: about you, Paul. So uh, you know the regular season

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Speaker 1: Drew Stanton. As the Cardinals have added Drew Stanton to

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Speaker 1: the roster, the broadcast ross going to say, our broadcast

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Speaker 1: and he's less than two years removed from the game,

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Speaker 1: so it is possible to. I mean, it's always good

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Speaker 1: to keep a quarterback close and handy and Danny, you know, boom.

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Speaker 1: Every week you're going to do some of the Drew

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Speaker 1: there he is on speed dial and or in the

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Speaker 1: building if needed. Cardinals Underground breaking news every week. No,

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Speaker 1: we're doing a new series which I'm really excited about

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Speaker 1: called card Stock, and basically, every week, Drew and I

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Speaker 1: compare how the Cardinals fare up against their opponent that week.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to get correct. It is video, yes,

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Speaker 1: what we may or may not have touched on in

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Speaker 1: up where you left off at the end of last season,

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Speaker 1: don't I don't see that at all as an option

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Speaker 1: first time his first season twenty eighteen, he has the

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Speaker 1: most wins in the NFL as a starting quarterback forty nine.

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Speaker 1: He has the most passing yards nearly nineteen thousand, and

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Speaker 1: he has the most passing touchdowns at a buck fifty one.

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Speaker 1: So that's saying something in a league with Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and even some of these new guys is

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Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, who have put up ridiculous numbers in

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Speaker 1: their first two years. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes is a different beast.

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Speaker 1: He is, you know. There we're seeing a lot more

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have that unique skill set. But he was

437
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Speaker 1: obviously kind of, at least for me, like in recent years,

438
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Speaker 1: one of those you know, first ones to kind of

439
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Speaker 1: really lead the way for quarterbacks like Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: those those kinds of dynamic quarterbacks. I'm pretty sure too,

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Speaker 1: if I'm remembering the stack correctly. In the nine years,

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Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs have one whenever they've opened their

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Speaker 1: season on the road. I think it's I think I

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Speaker 1: think that's I think that maybe it's not the years,

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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure under Andy Reid, their head coach,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, who they whenever they have opened their season

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Speaker 1: on the road, they have won. This team tried to

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Speaker 1: try to get before the Chiefs hired them. Yep, they

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Speaker 1: did and ended up being Bruce Arians, which wasn't a

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Speaker 1: bad hire at all. You know, it's it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing with Mahomes, and you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: guy who I mean people people were talking about how

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Speaker 1: he played poorly last year and then if you look

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Speaker 1: at his stats in a vacuum, it's like, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about now? His numbers weren't quite as gaudy

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Speaker 1: as they had been in the years previous, and there

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Speaker 1: were other couple of quarterbacks that were amazing last year,

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs lost a couple of games early that

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Speaker 1: they didn't normally lose. But Patrick Mahomes was really good

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Speaker 1: last year and people thought he was bad compared to

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes which is frightening. When you're Patrick Mahomes in

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Speaker 1: your Kansas City, you're getting everyone's best shot, You're getting

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Speaker 1: everyone's best defensive game plan, which brings us to vance Joseph. Right,

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Speaker 1: what do you do if your vance Joseph, what do

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Speaker 1: you do about getting to Patrick Mahomes? Because obviously, the

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Speaker 1: difference with Patrick Mahomes is when it comes to some

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Speaker 1: of those other luminaries we've cited, he's closer to Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray when it comes to scramble ability and escapability extending

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Speaker 1: to play. It's no joke trying to keep him in

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Speaker 1: the pocket. You can say it, but it's another thing

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Speaker 1: to actually achieve it and then exactly what the cardinal's

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Speaker 1: doing it with. Once are getting back getting back to

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Speaker 1: the forty four question, as as Cliff Kingsbury said, it'd

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Speaker 1: be great to get junk going, he's talking about Marcus Gold.

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Speaker 1: With Patrick Mahomes, I feel like your best bet is

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Speaker 1: to really just put the pressure on him, not necessarily,

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Speaker 1: you know, expecting to get a lot of sacks or

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Speaker 1: anything like that, because of the way he scrambles and

479
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Speaker 1: extends plays and creates something out of nothing, especially talking

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Speaker 1: about you know if there's not a lot of chemistry

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Speaker 1: going on with these receivers. If Isaiah Simmons is locked

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Speaker 1: in on Travis Kelsey and you can get some pressure

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Speaker 1: and maybe try and force Mahomes to throw the ball

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Speaker 1: before he's ready, before you know his receivers are ready,

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Speaker 1: I would hope that, you know, I think that might

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Speaker 1: be your best bet. It's it's kind of like I

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Speaker 1: think about like when the Cardinals played the Colts last

488
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Speaker 1: year on Christmas with Jonathan Taylor, was you know, you're

489
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Speaker 1: not going to stop him, but how do you really

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Speaker 1: slow him down? And I feel like that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the same idea with Patrick Mahomes is realistically, you know

492
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Speaker 1: that he's gonna he's gonna make some big throws on you,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have big plays. How do you do your

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Speaker 1: best to just minimize those well? And you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a Paul's point about you know, if not knowing if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have Marcus Golden out there, and who else

497
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have rushing the pastor I mean, Dennis Gardick

498
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Speaker 1: looks good, but is he going to be out there

499
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Speaker 1: a ton? Are you going to rely on the really

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Speaker 1: young guys? What's Victor de McCage, you're gonna give you

501
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: are you going to do some things with you know,

502
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Speaker 1: do some things with Isaiah Simmons or Zavian Collins. The

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Speaker 1: Golden thing is just a fascinating, fascinating thing. As we

504
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Speaker 1: record this, he still hasn't practiced since August first. You know,

505
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Speaker 1: he's been it's been mentioned, he's got a toe injury.

506
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Speaker 1: You know, you don't know where he stands with his contract,

507
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Speaker 1: and it's just I think everybody's gonna feel better once

508
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Speaker 1: he's actually practicing and playing in games. So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: you know, creative convanced Joseph really get and what exactly

510
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Speaker 1: is his personnel, Which brings us back to the old adage,

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Speaker 1: the best defense against Kansas City is your offense. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: ball control. Go out there trying dominate the ball for

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Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven minutes. So for all

514
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Speaker 1: this discussion about Kyler against Mahomes, maybe it comes down

515
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Speaker 1: to James Conner and what the offensive line calls the

516
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: pound game, trying to establish the run, trying to control

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Speaker 1: the clock. If you go back to the win against Tennessee,

518
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Speaker 1: Cardinals had one hundred and forty yards rushing week one

519
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Speaker 1: a year ago. It was a very balanced offense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kyler had his passing yards over four hundred, and he

521
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Speaker 1: had four passing touchdowns. He also had a rushing touchdown

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Speaker 1: in that win against Tennessee. So you wonder exactly what

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Speaker 1: the philosophy might be by Cliff Kingsbury the play caller,

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Speaker 1: and what exactly they try to achieve. He also wonder

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Speaker 1: what Darryl Williams has told the coaches, the former chief

526
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Speaker 1: who admitted to the media that yes Man's Joseph has

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Speaker 1: come up to him, tap him on the shoulder and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you got a minute. You know the proverbial when your

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Speaker 1: boss says, hey, you got a moment, and then you're

530
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: not exactly sure what happens next. Well, we know what

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Speaker 1: happened with Darryl Williams. They were downloading him for some

532
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: info Jeff Rogers as well as special teams coordinators. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see if that's a factor, not a factor. I

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Speaker 1: would think this is just me. I'm not putting words

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Speaker 1: into Darryl Williams's mouth. There was a funny question in

536
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: his press conference posed as basically like, is it like

537
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: seeing an ex girlfriend where you don't want to see him,

538
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: but you want him to do well. And he laughed,

539
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, talking about Patrick Mahomes. But I was kind

540
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Speaker 1: of thinking, like I would imagine if you're Daryl Williams

541
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Speaker 1: and if there is that extra desire to have that

542
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Speaker 1: revenge game and to get this win against the team,

543
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: is there any other quarterback you'd rather be playing with

544
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Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray for a chance to go up against Mahomes.

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00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: That's a great point. You're right, You're right. If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna pick your personal protector to go in a fight

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Speaker 1: against your former team, yeah, I'll take Kyler, right. Yeah,

548
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: the comparison, especially if you're getting the ball out of

549
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Speaker 1: the backfield, there's no question he's gonna be ultramotivated. Now

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00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: what sort of role he has? What sort of role

551
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: any running back has not named James Connor? Yeah, it's

552
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Speaker 1: all the fantasy players have been asking me that for

553
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Speaker 1: two weeks and I'm like, get off the mail back.

554
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to watch week one because I don't

555
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 1: think anybody really knows. I mean, we've talked about this,

556
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: and I have my suspicions, and I know you guys

557
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: do too, and you know, I think you know Benjamin

558
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: and Daryl Williams are both going to get certain looks,

559
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: but you know exactly how that breaks down and how

560
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: many touches, and especially when it comes to fantasy football,

561
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's really really difficult to know right now.

562
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Speaker 1: And Hey, Jonathan Ward in that Ravens game preseason looked

563
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, you talk about regular season ready

564
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: before he suffered the shoulder injury and presuming he's gonna play.

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Speaker 1: He left a really good final impression on the head

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Speaker 1: coach with a forty eight yard kickoff return where he

567
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: got loose. He had a twenty six yard catch and

568
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: run where he looked fast. He made guys miss in

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Speaker 1: the open field. Speaking of missing in the open field,

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Speaker 1: my biggest fear, if I'm Cliff Kingsbury way once the

571
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Speaker 1: biggest fears do you have? I have another one. I'm

572
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Speaker 1: at in this to the list over here, I'm making

573
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Speaker 1: my list. Since it's tis the season, the regular season,

574
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Speaker 1: I'm making my list and checking it twice at fears

575
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Speaker 1: and therapy there. Somehow I'm going with a holiday theme

576
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: here in early September. I don't know why, well, maybe

577
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: the Labor Day, but anyway, open field tackling, open field

578
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: tackling in week one, sometimes even week two. If there's

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Speaker 1: something that's keeping me up as a head coach, and

580
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking all thirty two of them, it's open field

581
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Speaker 1: tackling because one buster tackle and a big play touchdown

582
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: and that could spell doom in week one. Are you

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Speaker 1: with me on that? I understand where you're coming from,

584
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: and it is frequently an issue, and it's something we've

585
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: been talking about. I mean, I feel like that's been

586
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: a topic for the fifteen last fifteen twenty years in

587
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: the NFL because nobody tackles in practice anymore, and they

588
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 1: barely did the very very beginning when I was covering

589
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: this league, but mostly they never do. So you it is.

590
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: It's very much a end game. You gotta have to

591
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: get used to it that way. And there are going

592
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: to be some mistackles. There always are, and who that

593
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: plays to the best, We'll see what happens. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: all it takes is one. I will say this, It

595
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: makes you feel a lot better that the Cardinals have

596
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: probably the best tackling pair of safeties in the league

597
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: in Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson, two very sound tackles

598
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: in the open field. I mean, I know it definitely

599
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: makes me feel better about that. Byron Murphy will hit you,

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Speaker 1: He'll tackle. Marco Wilson might have been up and down

601
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: last year and some of his coverage as a rookie,

602
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: but man, he'll come up. He doesn't hesitate to put

603
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: his beak Onnya as Wolf likes to say. You know,

604
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: you can mess with a bird and get the beak.

605
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson will come up. Well, that was and that

606
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: was what they wanted to do with their defensive backs

607
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: when Vans got in here and was ultimately upgrade the

608
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: the toughness quotient when it comes to the tackling, and

609
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Speaker 1: I think they've been able to do that with the

610
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Speaker 1: people they bring in. They brought in. Where is Kansasy

611
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: is an honest question with their run game? But what

612
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Speaker 1: I mean, does anybody really expect them to have a

613
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: balanced offense? To what degree do you think they have

614
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Speaker 1: a balanced offense? Who's done their homework? What did Drew

615
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: stan say Danny about the Kansas City offense when it

616
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: came to running the ball? Or was everything just on

617
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: ma homes? It was all on MA homes for Kansas

618
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: City are they Are they still doing that the committee

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Speaker 1: in the backfield as well with Clyde Edwards Hilaire, who

620
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: else is back there for them? I feel like they

621
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Speaker 1: just drafted somebody, which is one of the readings they

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Speaker 1: got rid of Daryl Williams. I'd have to look it

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Speaker 1: up right now. I mean that look, Andy Reid. Andy

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00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: Reid in Kansas City has done a lot of by

625
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: committee running anyways, and I don't I still think they're

626
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: going to be a pass first team. But that was

627
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: always Andy Reid in Philadelphia, even when he had Shady McCoy.

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Speaker 1: It was that was one of the issues that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people had with Andy Reid was he would

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Speaker 1: lean more towards the pass even when the run was working.

631
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Speaker 1: And if you've got Patrick Mahomes, I'm absolutely leaning on

632
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Speaker 1: the pass. The question comes back to what we were

633
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: talking about before, is if they're able to run the

634
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: ball a little bit, do they stick with it a

635
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: little bit more and or you know, does this receiving

636
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: core change their philosophy early? But I think Patrick Mahomes

637
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: is going to want to throw the ball and he's

638
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: really good at it. So I mean, if he's your

639
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: best player. I would think you'd want him throwing the ball.

640
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: And if they elect to hand it off, then all

641
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: the better. I'm sure Vans Joseph will take that if

642
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna, you know, hand it off. Question is, who's

643
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: going to be in that front seven exactly? J. J.

644
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: Watt is still a question mark, Okay. Zach Allen is healthy,

645
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: knock on wood. Everyone's expecting to have a big year

646
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: and a proved year, a contract year. We already talked

647
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: about the outside linebacker spots. It's going to be a rotation.

648
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: It's just whether it includes forty four Marcus Golden or not.

649
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Now inside linebacker because I'm guessing Nick vigil is gonna

650
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: be on the field for the for quite a few snaps,

651
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: and we know Isaiah Simmons is calling the defense. Okay,

652
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: But even though Isaiah Simmons look yours truly in the

653
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: eye and answered the question of his role in staid

654
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I'll be playing inside linebacker once again, nobody's buying that,

655
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: not at all. He's gonna be center feels safety, he's

656
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: going to be in the slot, he's going to be

657
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: against the tight end. He's going to be an inside linebacker,

658
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: will be off the edge. He'll be mugging the a

659
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: gaps and coming out a blitz. We'll see him anywhere

660
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: and everywhere. So what do you think, and you know

661
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this, Where does that leave Savan

662
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Collins in the mix in terms of his role in

663
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: this Week one game plan? You've got to play in, Paul,

664
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: I think we're at that point. I don't think you

665
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: have another option with the decisions that have been made

666
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and to have him as your inside linebacker and not

667
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: having him call to play so he can focus on

668
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: just doing his job and reacting a little faster this year. Now,

669
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: when you get later in the season, if it's a

670
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: situation like last year where you really feel like you

671
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: have better options out there on the field, that's something different.

672
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Starting Week one, I'm not sure you have any other

673
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: option other than to play him because of the decisions

674
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: that have been made to make him you're a linebacker.

675
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Here's a question. And now I'm just you know, throwing

676
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: a bomb into the mix. But like the less the

677
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: as Zavin Collins playing time dwindled last year, the Cardinals

678
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: played worse. Correlated Like I'm probably not, but I'm just

679
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: saying when he got a little bit of playing time early.

680
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: They were playing fine. And when when they basically took

681
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: him out of the lineup, that's when everything started. Now,

682
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: there was other things that were involved. JJ Watt wasn't

683
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: playing by then either, and they started having Robert Alford

684
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 1: ended up getting hurt and all that stuff. But I'm

685
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: just saying, well, the game he got hurt the knocked

686
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: him out for a while was green Bay. Was the

687
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: green Bay game where he went down with the shoulder

688
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: injury and so, and that was their first loss of

689
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: the year. So, okay, Javan Collin interesting, he's the key,

690
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna play. I mean, it's funny, Paul you you

691
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: bring him up a lot, do you do you honestly

692
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: sit here and think there's a chance he's not gonna play, Yes,

693
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: if the coaches don't trust him, But but at what point,

694
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he has to play the first couple of weeks.

695
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: Do you think they won't put him out there right away?

696
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: I hesitate to use the must word. That's just me.

697
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a little strong. I don't see any

698
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't see his play. Dictating the word must play

699
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: based on his performance, I just don't in it. And

700
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: if they can't trust him and if he's a liability

701
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: against someone like Mahomes. I just keep going back to

702
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and the opener, a game in which the

703
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals won against the forty nine ers. What did Shanahan

704
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: do right out of the gate. Oh, there's the rookie,

705
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons within with no preseason games whatsoever under his belt,

706
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: getting his first real snaps the NFL. Let's see if

707
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the rookie is regular season ready. And he wasn't. He

708
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: was a step slow, coverage was a mustard or Jeff

709
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Wilson's mustard and boom gone seventy eight yard touchdown, whatever

710
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: it was. Okay, So and if you go back, Isaiah

711
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Simmons role was never the same the rest of the season.

712
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: You gotta be and advanced Joseph to me, appears to

713
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: be someone who he better trust those inside linebackers. Otherwise,

714
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks wouldn't receive the most defensive snaps of any

715
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: player on the Cardinals defense a year ago. I think

716
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a paramount importance to vance Joseph. That's just me

717
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: looking at this particular defensive coordinator. Look, there's a reason

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: they brought in Nick Vigil. But I think the fact

719
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: that you did let Jordan Hicks walk and the fact

720
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: that this was your twenty one, your first your first

721
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: round pick, you can say your rookie season, the adjustments

722
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: right of getting comfortable in the league and making things

723
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: slow down. But I do think with the decisions that

724
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: have been made in the front office, it's been clear, look,

725
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: this is your linebacker now to a certain extent, find

726
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: a way to use him. Again, if it's a liability,

727
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: or it's a certain game or a package whatever that

728
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: might be. Of course, you're not just going to keep

729
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: him out on the field just to keep him out

730
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: on the field. But I think at this point, especially

731
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: starting the season, when you don't have that to say, look,

732
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: how look he hasn't been playing well as reason to

733
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: not play him, I don't think you have any excuse

734
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: to not play him because this is who the coaching

735
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: staff as you know, this is your linebacker. I tend

736
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: to agree with Danny. I think if Isaiah Simmons was

737
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: still an inside linebacker and be different, but he's not,

738
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: and I think they're they've all come together in a

739
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: certain way that I think Zaven Collins is gonna be

740
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: out there now. I'm not gonna sit here and he's

741
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna start all seventeen games or play all the time

742
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: in seventeen games. But I absolutely believe he's going to

743
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: get a chance to play early. Well, and I'll say this,

744
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: here's what else is on my radar, as you guys

745
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: make a pretty convincing case, is what about Zaven Collins

746
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker? What about Zaven picking up where he

747
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: left off last year where he had to play down

748
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the stretch last year because of injury concerns. Let's just

749
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: say Marcus Golden isn't dressing for Week one, Well, then

750
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: what are you really going to trust one of your

751
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: third round rookies to be active on game day? And

752
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: my j Sanders a camera Thomas, maybe Zaman Collins because

753
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: if memory serves, in the press conference going to the

754
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend, when asked about the pass rush, Cliff

755
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: Kingsbury started naming names on the edge and he included

756
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: Isaiah and Zavin Collins in that formula. I mean maybe

757
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I think that's also why you have Devinkard on your

758
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: practice squad if you're not going to dress Marcus. That's

759
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: the other thing is you could pull up Devon Knard

760
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: really easily, and all of a sudden he's available. I

761
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: just don't I don't see a scenario. And it's not

762
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: always about football, and you know that, Paul, You've been

763
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: around this long enough. And I don't see a scenario

764
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: where this team is playing all the time on defense

765
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: and their last two first round picks who they drafted

766
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: the inside linebackers need, and one of them are playing

767
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. That would be that would be an interesting

768
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: turn of events. And I just don't know if that's

769
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: happening now. Well, And I will say that when we

770
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: asked Cliff about Samon Collins after the Titans game, and

771
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: I have the quote here he said an I quote,

772
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: it'll be a work in progress, just going into his

773
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: second year, but he's gotten better and better. The reading

774
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: react is by far where I've seen the biggest improvement.

775
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: That was the head coach after the final preseason game

776
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: on the road. That's what he said on the radio side,

777
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: and those comments didn't get a lot of run. So

778
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: that's why I'm reading. And he said he went on

779
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: he elaborated last year. I thought it was wait and

780
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: let it come to you. And now he's seeing things,

781
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: he's just triggering and he's going to tackle the ball.

782
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: We know he's got the physicals traits to be a

783
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: special player in this league, and he's just got to

784
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: continue to get the reps and put in the work

785
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: end quote Kingsbury un saving Collins. So I mean, we'll see.

786
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: I guess my point is, if he's not at, it

787
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be inside linebacker. I think if he's

788
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: on the field, it checks that box. No, I would agree,

789
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: But again, if he's outside, then I mean in your

790
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: inside linebacker's nick vigilant Tanner Vallejo. I mean, I don't

791
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: once again at to me, it sounds when you say

792
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: it you raise an eyebrow, But then when you think

793
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: about it and how much bands Joseph trust those two guys,

794
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: it's plausible, it's feasible. I understand it, and trust me,

795
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: I understand the trust thing with coaches because I've been

796
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: around it long enough and you can just see it

797
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: and I get that part of it. But it was

798
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of like Jordan Hicks. I mean, Jordan Hicks. Nobody

799
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: there was no player in the world you would trust

800
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: more than Jordan Hicks. But Jordan Hicks had a certain

801
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: amount of shortcomings athletically that it didn't matter if you try.

802
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if I go out on the basketball court

803
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: right now, I know exactly where I'm supposed to be

804
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: at all times, but there's no effing way that I

805
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: will ever get to any of those places because my

806
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: body won't let me. And that's part of it too.

807
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you know everything, if your body doesn't,

808
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't let you execute it. You know, if

809
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: only the rest would throwing over the back, you know,

810
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: blow the whistle for over the back on Darren. You

811
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: know these young guys are you know, just skying over

812
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: him and pulling these rebounds even though he's boxing him out,

813
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: he has good position under the hoop. These guys are

814
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: going over his back and pulling a rebound. It's not cool. Well,

815
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: look we'll see. We don't know. But to your point

816
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: about Jordan Hicks, did he have liabilities and shortcomings? Yes,

817
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: but it sort of makes my point. He got the

818
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: most defensive snaps of anybody on the team. So and

819
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: once again I gotta remember to ask man Show said

820
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: my question about Okay, we know who's calling the defense,

821
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: but who's making the checks, who's getting everyone in today

822
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: and Thursday. Okay, so boom, I actually have a written

823
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: down in my calendar. So but first up, we do

824
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: have a head Coach's TV show to a film here

825
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: in the coming moments. So any final parting words from

826
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: anyone here, any keys to the game we have missed

827
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: in this anything that needs a further inspection or to

828
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: be cited. I'm just glad we're finally here. I'm tired

829
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: of the speculation about when how much Zaven Collins is

830
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: going to play, and where he's gonna play, and who's

831
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: going to be outside rusher and who the number two

832
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: running back is. I've I've grown quite tired of all

833
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: that I just thought i'd mentioned. So this time next

834
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: week we'll be talking in facts. We'll be talking as

835
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: to what actually happened, yes, and there'll actually be some

836
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: analysis instead of a forecast instead of Yeah, I'm excited

837
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: for the hot takes to come. Once the season gets rolling,

838
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: They're only going to get hotter. Well. It becomes more

839
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: difficult though, because there's actual, you know, real factual data

840
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: and actual happenings, Whereas right now I can just speculate

841
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: Wanton Lee and there's really you know nothing that any

842
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Isabella is gonna get five catches this weekend and Paul

843
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: is going to be like, yes, I am breaking it

844
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: back out, well sort of. But see, once again, I

845
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: have him as the second most improved player on the team,

846
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, Wolf as him as the most I still

847
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: have Victor d. Mukagi as the most it's improved player

848
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: on the team. So you know, I gotta get the

849
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: head coach to settle that who exactly is the most

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Speaker 1: improved player on the team. And already for a breakout season.

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Speaker 1: Add that to your calendar on things to ask, He'll say, Paul,

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Speaker 1: time the show's done. And that'll do it for this

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