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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zerum.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Elizabeth, how you doing, Bud?

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Speaker 3: I was looking forward to seeing you today, drove over

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Speaker 3: here and I was all excited. I'm like, Elizabeth's gonna

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Speaker 3: tell me a story?

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Speaker 2: Yep, I am.

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Speaker 3: I love story time with Eli.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm gonna have bad days. I'm like, oh, only

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Speaker 3: one more day, so I get a story with Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: That's what you call a compliment. Try it out sometime,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I just roll in here like, sorry, at.

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Speaker 3: Least the interns are here. You know. It's ridiculous, Oh, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: do I ever? So I found something that has a

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Speaker 3: combination of three of our interests. This is like a triangle, right, Okay?

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Speaker 3: You like Graham Nash from Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.

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Speaker 2: He's my least favorite of the four, but yeah, sure.

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Speaker 3: But you still do have like at least a softest spot,

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Speaker 3: and you're hard for him than I do.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this is a quote from him, and it's

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Speaker 3: about somebody who I really like, and I think you

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Speaker 3: really like Jimmy Hendrix.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And the third part is the board game risk.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's something you lost.

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Speaker 3: My god, I am like I have friends who will

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Speaker 3: not play with me because they've never beaten me. I

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Speaker 3: am malicious. I am like sun Su on the risk board.

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Speaker 3: I am red. No, It's like it's one of the

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Speaker 3: few things I'll be like, I'm really good at this

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Speaker 3: game because I'm I'm, I'm pitiless, I am I'm, I'm unscrupulous,

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Speaker 3: like I love to just like, oh, I'm taking kumchuka

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna want to watch you whine. Let's roll

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Speaker 3: them dice anyway. Turns out, guess who was also really

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Speaker 3: good at risk?

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendricks, not Graham Nash.

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Speaker 3: So according to Graham Nash quote, Jimmy would play risk

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Speaker 3: on acid and I never ever beat him at all.

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Speaker 3: He was unbelievable at it. He was a military man.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a paratrooper. I don't know whether you

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Speaker 3: know that about Jimmy, but no one ever beat him

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Speaker 3: at risk.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Now, all I want to do when I get up

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Speaker 3: to Heaven is take some acid with Jimmy Hendricks and

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Speaker 3: ask get a risk board.

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Speaker 2: Be like, let's do it, man, it sounds amazing.

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Speaker 3: Who gets the Australia move? Love that? There you go.

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Speaker 3: I take South America can head around Jimmy playing Jimmy

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Speaker 3: Hendricks on acid. I'm playing him risk on ask sober.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally. But I mean like, but he's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I've told this story of a

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Speaker 3: friend named Jay and uh, he was once on psychedelics mushrooms.

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Speaker 3: We were playing Madden and we were playing We used

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Speaker 3: to play Madden Football all the time. We were all

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Speaker 3: him for like four or five, maybe six hours, and

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Speaker 3: he was just cackling at us, like you're gonna try

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Speaker 3: that all and just beating us. He was totally in

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Speaker 3: the zone. So I want to see Jimmy Hendrix just laughing,

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Speaker 3: face melting at me while I'm like sitting there mad

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Speaker 3: because I can't take over Western United States from him.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Love

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Speaker 2: to hear it faking being on the rowing team, like

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Speaker 2: just get out there. It's just buddy good. Yes, this

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Speaker 2: Heighs cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous, you damn right. Back in my day,

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Speaker 2: if you wanted to go to college, you went through

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Speaker 2: a bunch of catalogs and books in the academic advisor's

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Speaker 2: Sister David, oh nice, and she tended to doze off

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Speaker 2: and so we called her Sleepy Dave. And you'd make

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Speaker 3: And would you be like reading the catalogs yourself?

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Speaker 2: No, I'd just be like doing homework or reading magazines

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Speaker 2: after that, God bless anyway. So you filled out all

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Speaker 2: had never heard of that. Yeah, I didn't know about that,

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Speaker 2: why should I have known about it? Today? Though, it

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Speaker 2: seems pretty common for those with means to hire consultants

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Speaker 2: to help get their kids into college.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're from early like filling elementary school.

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Speaker 2: They start like navigating, and they help them pick schools

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Speaker 3: And met alumni too. Right, you can help them.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that weren't working. And I like, I

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Speaker 2: vaguely remember some girls at my all girls high school

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Speaker 2: participating in stuff in order to boost their extracurriculars. But

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Speaker 3: But you, I mean we had some of those go

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Speaker 3: doing the network. You got to go meet like you know,

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Speaker 3: father Greg, he always can get guys into Harvard or right, right,

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Speaker 2: Not really, I mean they kind of did, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we had sleepy days. Yes, right, and like I knew

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Speaker 3: Nerd Oh yeah, you counted on your actual numbers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, no, I really want to be

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Speaker 2: in model United Nations. Like, I didn't play tennis thinking

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Speaker 2: it played all the time. And when I got a

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Speaker 2: me a tennis scholarship based on my quote stellar season.

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 2: I knew they hadn't even glanced at our or my

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't so much like a selling point about

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Speaker 2: fantastic resource. But I mean we may have had it,

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Speaker 3: I think it was available, but very very limited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, for me, pick the college to attend came

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Speaker 2: down to Vibes, so I was dead set on UCLA.

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Speaker 2: Of course, my high school only had two hundred and

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Speaker 2: But I grew up in an urban area, so that

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Speaker 3: By the way, good job on your mom to make

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Speaker 3: Good for you, imagination.

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Speaker 2: Thummas is always right. One of the best decisions in

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Speaker 2: my life to go there for many reasons. Today though

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know you if you didn't go there, because

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Speaker 3: that's so true. I met you. You going to ud.

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Speaker 2: Exactly see right there, we wouldn't have ridiculus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that your mom's decision.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mamas, you did it. Look at her. We

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Speaker 2: got to put her in the credits. It's so high

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Speaker 2: pressure now. Like in higher education, there's rightfully so a

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Speaker 2: So college is expensive, the labor market's changing. You don't

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Speaker 2: and oftentimes paying off a degree that isn't doing you

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Speaker 2: least in the way US common folk are. So they

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Speaker 2: they worry about whatever degree the kid gets will lead

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Speaker 2: to gainful employment. No, not really. It's all about the

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Speaker 2: flex the vibes. But not in a good way, not

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Speaker 2: in the Oh my god, I love bikes and lawns. No.

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Speaker 3: So, like I said, this is thank you distinction for me.

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Speaker 2: I have to good vibes, bad vibes. This is This

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Speaker 2: is common among those with means these days, and not

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Speaker 2: even the super rich. But when you reach certain levels

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Speaker 2: realm of college admissions, consultant work, and like every other

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Speaker 2: booming and emerging industry, it's ripe for crime. Oh I

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Speaker 2: bring us there eventually. And at the rotten core of

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Speaker 2: it all is a guy, a guy named Rick Singer.

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Speaker 2: So come with me as we learn about Rick and

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Speaker 2: what spiraled out to become something called Operation Varsity Blues.

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Speaker 2: Oh snap, oh snap. Rick Singer born in Santa Monica, California,

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Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty Sam Oh moondoggie. He moved with his

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Speaker 2: got a bachelor's in English and Physical education in nineteen

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Speaker 3: Okay, like a peak teacher.

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Speaker 2: Nothing says that you like to teach the English class

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Speaker 2: and coach football and journalism. Eddy of your book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So after that he gets out of college, he moves

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, good for him. But then he got fired.

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Speaker 2: Not good for him. It seems he was a little

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Speaker 2: For exactly he got results. One former player on his

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Speaker 2: Right, Well that's what that's what Rick was doing. B

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Speaker 2: You could pose as proctors and then correct students answer

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well it's like standardized testing I feel like

438
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: is a good test of if you can figure out

439
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: what people want to hear well.

440
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: So I'm the belief that this is a world for

441
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: c students and not for like A students. A lot

442
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: of people I know who are really good at stuff

443
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: did not have I We're like just kind of getting by.

444
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: They are presidents of things. Now they are like, are

445
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: fabulously wealthy?

446
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: Right, Just a good point something to think about kids.

447
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: So okay, so they want to make it believable in

448
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: the in these test results parents, they got charged thousands

449
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: of dollars per test, generally in the neighborhood of ten

450
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a test. Yeah, for the service. Yeah. Remember

451
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: how he made his business nonprofit. Yeah, well, payments were

452
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: disguised as charitable donations to Key Worldwide Foundation KWF. So

453
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: that's the test taking part of it. Next up is

454
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: the fake athletic recruit route.

455
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm still belonging by ten thousand per test.

456
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like, how dumb do you think your kid is?

457
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: We're like, I got to give ten grand otherwise these

458
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: scores are going to be you.

459
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: Know, I gotta tell my friend he really under charged, right.

460
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: So Rick heat Rick Rick Rick Rick mapped which schools

461
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: had athletic staff who could influence admissions, and then he

462
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: classified applicants as recruited athletes. Since this is a category

463
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: that's like a lot of times it's fast tracked or

464
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: like given heavier weight and admissions. He then targeted coaches, administrators,

465
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, those who had the authority to designate recruits

466
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: or who could like influence the athletics admission committee. So

467
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: the DOJ's case list names coaches at University of Southern California, USC, Yale,

468
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: University of Texas, Wake Forest, Georgetown, a whole bunch of

469
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: other schools. And when I see private schools, yeah yeah,

470
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: when I say USC going forward, I'm always talking about

471
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: University of Southern California. Never in the University of South Carolina,

472
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: because come on, let's get just to be clear. So

473
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: Rick he funneled payments to coaches or like athletics department accounts,

474
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: sometimes looking like charitable donations that were routed through KWF

475
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: or other intermediaries, and the payment amounts were all over

476
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 2: the place. Some were like six figures sums for coach bribes.

477
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 2: One Texas tennis coach got one hundred thousand dollars not kidding,

478
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: tens or even hundreds of thousands went to USC water

479
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: polo accounts. That was a big one. So with that

480
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: in place, Rick staff produced these.

481
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: Like is this because like do you see, like the

482
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: water polo team can like hand out scholarships, so it's

483
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: like a way to get your student and they're like,

484
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: we don't need all the players to be I think

485
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: got a position, will offer you a spot.

486
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: To be on that you get in because you're going

487
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: to be on the team. And I can remember like

488
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: at Davis there were some like friends of mine who

489
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: were on like the swim team. They got early registration

490
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: for classes. It was frustrated, unfair. So anyway, so all

491
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: that's in place, Rick staff they make these really detailed

492
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: fake athletic dossiers and they made up biographies like lists

493
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: of honors, lists of tournaments.

494
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: But this isn't the air like the twenty teenth, like

495
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: they should have video of Oh.

496
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: Hold on, oh for real, there's stats, all these letters

497
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: all tailored to the sport and to the recruiting coach's vocabulary.

498
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: Wow.

499
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: And then the dossiers get submitted. Yeah, he's so detailed.

500
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: They get sent into the admissions office as like the

501
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: evidentiary basis for the recruited athletes candidacy, and like Rick

502
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: and his crew figured out how to pad the profiles

503
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: so that the coaches and the admissions would accept them.

504
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: Because he's basically talking to himself. He's a former coach.

505
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: He knows that what he would say legitimately totally.

506
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: So like, you know, we got the paperwork, but you

507
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: know you need more proof, as you said, visuals. Yeah.

508
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: So when there was no real athletic footage, which was

509
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: most of the time, X team was undeterred. They hunted

510
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: down images that could pass for the student in question,

511
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: and some of them were like publicly available phot those

512
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 2: some from private sources. And if that wasn't a goer,

513
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: they would commission photoshopped images that inserted a student's face

514
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: into action shots.

515
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 3: She got a kid who's like kicking a soccer ball

516
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: and he's got like a head a little bit too big.

517
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: Totally, it's like the wrong lighting. They would produce staged

518
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: videos to give the impression of real athletic participation.

519
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: Fall feel on a Saturday.

520
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Reverse image searches later showed some photos were lifted

521
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: from local news coverage of actual athletes.

522
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I could see that could be usually filmed from

523
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: far away, right, Yeah, he's number twenty six.

524
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: And like the DOJ affidavit included examples where a pole

525
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: vaulter's image was reused for an unrelated applicant. Yeah, because

526
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: you usually can't see their face when they're like flinging themselves.

527
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: Once the coach accepted the dossier and got paid, the

528
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: coach formally listed and recommended the applicant as a recruit

529
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: to the admissions sub committee. And because recruited athletes are

530
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: like a lot of times they get offered admission at

531
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: a higher rate than general applicants, that designation was the

532
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: key door.

533
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's pretty much just like a royal

534
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: road through, right, We're going to approve totally.

535
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: And in some cases, Rick even arranged for the NC

536
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: double a eligibility center, registrations or like other administrative items

537
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: to make the recruit designation seem legitimate.

538
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's red shirting this year totally.

539
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: So Rick and his team, they coach parents and the

540
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: students on like the procedural steps that admissions office are

541
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: gonna expect of genuine recruits. Like, everyone's in on it. Everyone.

542
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: This is a huge industry.

543
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Then there's the money, right, don't forget that.

545
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: So I talked a little bit about it, but let's

546
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: dive a little deeper. So Rick he controlled the edge,

547
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: the Key, the for profit college counseling, and then Key

548
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: Worldwide Foundation, the nonprofit the parents they got billed through

549
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of different channels, fees to the edge, the consulting,

550
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: the for profit it or charitable donations to KWF, often

551
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: with receipts that made it look like, oh, no goods

552
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: or services or exchanged. It's just a goodwill gesture.

553
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: At this point in surprise, there's no like dirty priest

554
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: who's like running through my church totally.

555
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: So you know, payments appear as tax deductible gifts. So

556
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: when there were then there were the grants and donations

557
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: to athletic programs. So kwf's public filings showed grants to

558
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: athletic programs and university accounts that matched or approximated amounts

559
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: that prosecutors said were bribes. In some cases, the grants

560
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: were deposited into university accounts that funded athletics and that

561
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: so that's like a plausible philanthropic gift. And the DOJ

562
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: and press reporting documented all of these donations to USC,

563
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: University of Texas and YU athletics, like tons of them,

564
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: And so parents they got receipts from KWF letters thanking

565
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: them for their donations.

566
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: By the way, it is the first time I've ever

567
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: heard ny use athletics, and you never hear about like.

568
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: A yeah, so, but anyway, they have all this language,

569
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: all of this paperwork that masks this quid pro quo.

570
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: The paper trails conceal all this bribery from taxes, administer

571
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, admissions teams. And then there were operational practices

572
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: that made the scheme repeatable and scalable. So this is

573
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: how Rick grew the business. He treated the operation like

574
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: this repeatable service. So there are fixed fee structures. They

575
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: had all these templated dossiers, so once they make one

576
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 2: they can just slide students in. They're not having to

577
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: redo the work every time.

578
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: This because they're going to different schools, so people an't

579
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: going to see the same thing.

580
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: And you just tinker a little bit here and there.

581
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: They have this huge network of vendors, psychologists, photographers, test

582
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: proctors that they can just call on repeatedly. He told

583
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: clients he could deliver reliably and that made it scalable

584
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: to like dozens of families.

585
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Do you think corruption is so popular because everybody, once

586
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: they hear about it, they assume this is just how

587
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: the world works.

588
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: I've been missing exactly what they all think. So different

589
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: actors handle different parts of each contract. So like clinicians

590
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: and testing vendors who you know, they get used for accommodations, ringers,

591
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: proctors for test execution, Like there's no crossover. They didn't

592
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: coordinate with each other and so this like they don't

593
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: have direct traceability among the team members. Rick was also

594
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: really good at social engineering aspects of things. Well. He

595
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: coached parents about what to say or not to say,

596
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: and he handled most of the communications with coaches and

597
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: testing centers so that they couldn't mess things up. So

598
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: there's no you know, the parents might incriminate themselves or

599
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: like have inconsistency totally or panic and get stuff wrong.

600
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: The bottom line, admissions process is privilege athletes. That's what

601
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: they figured out. And so coaches can like they can

602
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: legitimately influence these decisions, and Rick's like, all right, let's

603
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: exploit it. He had no shortage of clients. By twenty twelve,

604
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: some clients were paying at least five grand a year

605
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: for periodic visits from Rick to provide advice to their

606
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: aspiring students.

607
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: Who are like middle school kids.

608
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Guys just stopped by fire and like they said, he

609
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: was just like constantly on the move. He's like always,

610
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: he's at airports. He's in boardrooms. He's a shark in

611
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: the water.

612
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 3: He's a fixer.

613
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wasn't. He's not just selling his services,

614
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: he's selling him. The parents they had to trust him,

615
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: and so to that end, he penned a couple of books.

616
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: First was Getting in Gaining Admission to your College of Choice.

617
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: So his Key worldwide published it. So was like basically

618
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: self published in twenty thirteen. It was eighty pages long.

619
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

620
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: And it was described as quote, easy to understand and

621
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: simple to follow steps to improve the odds of getting

622
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: into the college.

623
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: Of your choosing, with lots of pictures.

624
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay. So it was structured as a set

625
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: of secrets or tips. According to the Washington Post review,

626
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: it contains fifty one page chapters. Those are the fifty secrets, Yes,

627
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: with titles like take the hard courses, Get a tutor.

628
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: I love one page chapter.

629
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: This is my favorite one follow application instructions on the

630
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: hot tip. That is a good secret tip right there.

631
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: Worth every penny. Then he wrote getting in Personal Brands.

632
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: A personal brand is essential to gaining admissions to the

633
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: college of your choice. That's a long book title. He

634
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: also self published that one came out a year after

635
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: the first one, and it was all about like personal brand.

636
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: So he felt that students had to cultivate like this

637
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: identifiable brand to stand out in a college admissions process.

638
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: So here's an example quote. A personal brand is essential

639
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: to gain admissions to the college of your choe. Like

640
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't get specific, also super short, geared towards the

641
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: same client base, like people who don't read. So the

642
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: covers were like a close up of his face.

643
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: Of course I was picturing that it was.

644
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: A Rick Moby.

645
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 3: I studied photo though it's like handed check totally.

646
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: Rick's a machine. So he ingratiated himself to the families.

647
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: There's a story of one client coming home and there's

648
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: Rick like sitting at the kitchen table helping the kids

649
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: with their homework. Like he name dropped everybody, and that

650
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: was like a big deal. He had big clients.

651
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: What are you doing in my home?

652
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: Get away from my kids. By the mid twenty teens,

653
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: Rick was the man if you had money and you

654
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: wanted your like mediocre kid to go to a good college.

655
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: So a Bay Area couple they gave his charity twy

656
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: and fifty shares in Facebook. Why yeah, and they donated

657
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: to UCLA before writing off more than a million dollars

658
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: in charitable gifts on their taxes so they could get

659
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: their kid into UCLA.

660
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: They did so, then they made all of us pay

661
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, because they paid it as a tax

662
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: right off the taxes, and I were not paying.

663
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: They didn't get in the old fashioned way like I did.

664
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

665
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, one client's son was too sick to travel to

666
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: one of the appointed SAT testing centers in Houston, Texas.

667
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: It's like the special center they had, so Rick made

668
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: arrangements for the kid to take the test. They would

669
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: take the test to him and he could complete it

670
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: at home. But that's not really what happened. Like he thought,

671
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: he was, Oh, you're gonna Jimmy, you're going to take

672
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: the test at home. He's like okay, and takes it. No,

673
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: Rick sent someone to Houston to with you know, a

674
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: ringer in to take it for him, and the kid

675
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: just filled out a dummy test and didn't know.

676
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: So he conned his own clients into thinking like, yeah,

677
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: you're taking a test, job, Jimmy.

678
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: They're so smart. By twenty nineteen, he'd help facilitate there's.

679
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: Some thirty five year old man is showing. I was like, yeah,

680
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: I'm Jimmy.

681
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: These all these unethical college admissions for as many as

682
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: seven hundred and sixty one family what yes, So two

683
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: of those families brought a lot of attention when it

684
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: all fell apart. Lori Laughlin and her husband Massimo giawly okay,

685
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: who recently divorced. By the way, yeah, who are they

686
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: from this?

687
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

688
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: Maybe Laughlin. She is an actress best known for her

689
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: work on the ABC sitcomfortble House. Massimo is a fashion

690
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: designer who founded the brand Massimo. Are you kidding me

691
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: that Masmo? He's from la by the way, He's not

692
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: like from course, of course, the Massimo brand was cool

693
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties streetwear. Then they went on

694
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: to be licensed to Target.

695
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: Is that what happened? Yeah? Okay, I always wondered how

696
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: they fell off. It's fun to see how fashion brands

697
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: fall off. They kind of do they.

698
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: Do eventually anyway, So they paid Rick five hundred thousand

699
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: dollars to get their daughters, Isabella and Olivia into usc

700
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: Is quote crew roots.

701
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: These girls are dumb. They We're gonna need some help.

702
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: Of them had any experience with rowing.

703
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine.

704
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Then there was Felicity Huffman, Right, So she's an actress

705
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: best known for her work on the TV comedy drama

706
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: also on ABC, which is weird, Desperate Housewives. Yes, so

707
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: she won an Emmy Golden Glows.

708
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: She was good, right, she was.

709
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: Even nominated for an Oscar for something. And she's married

710
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: to William H. Macy. Yeah, she paid Rick fifteen thousand

711
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: dollars to have a proctor correct her daughter's SAT answers.

712
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: So they got dragged down when Rick went down. But

713
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: how did that happen? Good question, interns. Let's take a break,

714
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: and when we come back from these compelling ads, i'll

715
00:37:43,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: let you know. So Zarin, yes, how did Rick's empire crumble?

716
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm so curious at this point.

717
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: What's crazy is that the FBI didn't start out looking

718
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: for college admissions fraud at all. They were not been tracking, no,

719
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: not at all. In spring of twenty eighteen, Boston federal

720
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: agents were investigating Mariy Tobin, who's an LA based financial executive,

721
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: and he was suspected in a securities fraud and insider

722
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: trading scheme.

723
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: Of course, so.

724
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: According to DOJ filings and then later reported by The

725
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal. In the La Times, Tobin tried to

726
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: earn leniency, tried to like, you know, cut some slack

727
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: by giving information about a completely different crime. He's like,

728
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: guess what the Yale women's soccer coach asked me for

729
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: a bribe to help get my daughter admitted.

730
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: He's like, you guys are busting me. How about this

731
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: how we played down with I'll tell you all the criminals.

732
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: I know, way bigger fish for you.

733
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: Right now? Do you know how much they're raking me

734
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: over the calls for That's got to be a crime,

735
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: right that tip?

736
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: The bribery approach by Yale coach Rudy Meredith became the

737
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: starting point for what was later code named Operation Varsity

738
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: Blues after the film Way to Go Yeah. So the

739
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: FBI they confronted Rudy Meredith in April of twenty eighteen,

740
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: and he agreed to cooperate. So he explained that he'd

741
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: been taking bribes. He wasn't just going out and asking me.

742
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: He had been taking bribes from a California college consultant

743
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: named Rick Singer to Yeah to label certain applicants as

744
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: soccer recruits and then agents the FBI agents had him

745
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: make recorded phone calls with Rick to document the pattern

746
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: of payments and the code language that Rick used with

747
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: his clients. And so Rick's side door pitch is on

748
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: those recordings. He said, quote, there's a front door where

749
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: you get in on your own, there's a back door

750
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: which doesn't really work, and then there's a side door

751
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: through me the rickor so Meredith's cooperation gave prosecutors their

752
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: first recorded evidence of Rick explaining his criminal model. So

753
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: with Meredith's help, the FBI got a Title three wiretap

754
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: authorization to monitor Rick's calls, and in the summer and

755
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: fall of twenty eighteen, agents recorded dozens of conversations between

756
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: Rick and the parents all these parents rich ones, famous ones,

757
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: and in the calls, Rick's like he either describes or

758
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: he directs, bribes, test fraud, fake athletic profiles, like he's

759
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: just spilling it. They caught Rick coaching parents on what

760
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: to say if they were questioned about this ever, like

761
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: just say it was a donation is one of his quotes.

762
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: He did love He's just shooting holes in his own

763
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: legal defense.

764
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: On so he tells about payments that were routed through

765
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: his nonprofit key Worldwide Foundation. He talks about which coaches

766
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: administrators are going to get which money. He talked about

767
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: calibrating test scores to make him believable. He's like bragging like, look,

768
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I've done this thousands of times. Yeah, and they're just

769
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: got a checklist, like that's perfect.

770
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: We need that I can get a dog into Yale.

771
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: By late twenty eighteen, prosecutors they had enough to tie

772
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: Rick to both the test taking fraud network and the

773
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: athletic recruit bribery.

774
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: The FBI dropped yeah, and they're like, oh, I'm getting

775
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: it up, getting a raise, I'm getting out of promotion.

776
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: And so they like they just descended on him in

777
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: September of twenty eighteen, and he quickly agreed to cooperate.

778
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: I bet he did.

779
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: And he's like, don't indict me right now, let's let's

780
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: work on this together. And so he's on. So then

781
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: he starts recording his own clients under FBI supervision for

782
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: no reason, and that made him CW one Cooperating witness

783
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: one in court.

784
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: Document them cooperatingness.

785
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: So over the next several months, he made recorded calls

786
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: with all these parents and coaches, gathering the direct evidence

787
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: that prosecutors later used in court.

788
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: So why would I guess because there's more of them,

789
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: and then they're the ones who are paying for the crime,

790
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: and he's more of like, Oh, I just run the

791
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: illegal casino.

792
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: I'm not the yeah, exactly. So the recordings that's the

793
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: backbone of this two hundred page like more than two

794
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: hundred pages FBI Affidavid that was unsealed in March of

795
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Huh So, by the end of twenty eighteen,

796
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: the FBI's Boston Division and the IRS Criminal Investigation Division

797
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: they had like jointly built this case. They tracked payments

798
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: through the for profit and the nonprofit. They linked them

799
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: to specific parents, coaches, exam cheating incidents.

800
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: Age you imagine the boards they created.

801
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.

802
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: Loved it, just like all the photos of people and

803
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, here's all of their counts and here's

804
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: the recordings we have. It's all like, oh, tab blinders, yes,

805
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, color coding yes.

806
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: They also got Mark Riddell, the test taker, to cooperate.

807
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: He admitted to sitting for exams on behalf of the clients.

808
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: And they got test center administrators who confessed to taking bribes.

809
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Everyone's just rolling over. So the investigation was kept secret

810
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 2: until March twelfth, twenty nineteen, and at six am Eastern time,

811
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts and

812
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: the FBI announced charges against fifty defendants and what they

813
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: called quote the largest college admission scam ever prosecuted by

814
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice.

815
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: And they essentially went after parents.

816
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, after parents. So press releases and the two hundred

817
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: plus page Affidavid. They went live alongside a Boston press

818
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: conference led by US Attorney Andrew Lelling and FBI Boston's

819
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: Joseph bonavlone time, so Rick Yeah, Rick gets identified as

820
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: the mastermind of the operation, and he had secretly pleaded

821
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: guilty the day before to four felony counts so racketeering, conspiracy,

822
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: money laundering, conspiracy, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and

823
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: obstruction of justice. And it wasn't just the lady from

824
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: full House and Felicity Huffman who were caught up in this,

825
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: who else? It was prominent CEOs lawyers other Rich Dimwitz

826
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: with mid Kids, so Douglas Hodge, former CEO of Pimco.

827
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: He paid more than eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars

828
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: to have four of his kids admitted as false athletic

829
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: recruits at Georgetown USC and loyal l.

830
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 3: Marrimount expect loyal merriamount.

831
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: I won't either, did I. I feel like you could probably

832
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: pull that off too.

833
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: Were the Catholics. You can just go in with the

834
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: donations and they'll kind of let you on your own.

835
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: How a noted day works.

836
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, Coamal Abdelaziaz, who was a former win Resorts executive.

837
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: He paid three hundred thousand dollars to have his daughter

838
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: admitted to USC as a basketball recruit, even though she'd

839
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: never played.

840
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, at this point, like why did they

841
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: mean you have so much money? You got three hundred

842
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: thosand dollars? Just put that in an account and he'd

843
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: let your kid just have it?

844
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. John Wilson, founder of Hyannasport Capital. He shelled

845
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: out one point two million dollars to have his son

846
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: admitted to USC as a water polo recruit and to

847
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: get placements for his twin daughters to USC. I cackle

848
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: he do. Augustin Hunias Junior, who's a winemaker who Nias

849
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: Vineyards forked over three hundred thousand dollars to get his

850
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: daughter into USC. Is a fake water polo recruit and

851
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, manipulate her.

852
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: SATs should have bought these kids bitcoin and just turned

853
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: him loosey got fifteen stoked.

854
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: Gordon Kaplan, co chair of Wilkie far and Gallagher law firm.

855
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: He paid seventy five thousand dollars to have Ridell correct

856
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: his daughter's act answers ethics. William mcglash and junior managing

857
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: partner at TPG Growth paid fifty grand for test cheating,

858
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: and he planned to give two hundred and fifty thousand

859
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: dollars for a fake athletic profile. He wanted to have

860
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: his son's act corrected, and he was like planning to

861
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: bribe USC. The USC of it all, My god, I.

862
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: Won't think I would think you could be able to

863
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: just go right to USC. I'm going to give you

864
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: a quarterary.

865
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Let's do this. What in Yeah? Michelle Janavs, heir to

866
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: the Hot Pockets fortune. Oh my goodness, handed over three

867
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars for test correction and bribed a USC

868
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: coach for his daughter's fake beach volleyball profile. Like that's

869
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: that is the most pathetic one yet, like details wise,

870
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: hot pockets beach.

871
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: And then I just got around. The US National Olympic t.

872
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Never even played. It wasn't just USC, as I've said,

873
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: other universities implicated, Yale, Stanford, U c l A, Texas,

874
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: Wake Forest, Georgetown, n y U. When the indictment was released,

875
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: major media outlets like New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, CNN, AP,

876
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: they broke the story within minutes, and then the hashtag

877
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: varsity blues. Hashtag varsity blues was trending on Twitter all

878
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: day long. Yes, exactly the FBI when it was like,

879
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: not like a Nazi hangout, probably.

880
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: When hashtags in like the idea of topic.

881
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the FBI's early morning raids, they produced dramatic footage.

882
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: They love those. Oh I know.

883
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: They showed up at Felicity Huffan's house in LA with

884
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: guns drawn.

885
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I'm not kidding, drug her out.

886
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: She was arrested in front of her daughters. Laurie Laughlin

887
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: was filming in Vancouver. She flew back and surrendered a

888
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: few days later.

889
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: Lawyer worked it out.

890
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: Coaches at USC, Yale, Stanford text all they got fired

891
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: or suspended within hours. Zarin, close your eyes.

892
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: I was wondering.

893
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. Yeah. You are Olivia

894
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Jade Jan Newley. You're twenty years old. You are a

895
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: successful YouTuber with nearly two million subscribers, an Instagram influencer

896
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: and brand ambassador for Sephora, Amazon, Tresame, and Princess Poll.

897
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: You are a first year student at usc Your parents

898
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: are full house actress Lori Laughlin and fashion designer Massimo

899
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: Jan Newly. It's March twelfth, twenty nineteen, and you're currently

900
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: on a yacht in the Bahamas on vacation with your

901
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: friend Gianna Gianna Caruso, daughter of Rick Caruso, billionaire developer

902
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: and chair of the University of Southern California's Board of Trustees.

903
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: It's early in the morning and you're still asleep and

904
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: your luck's sweet on the yacht. The gentle lapping of

905
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: the waves can be heard outside your porthole window. There's

906
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: a gentle knock at your door. You look at the

907
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: bedside clock. Six in the morning. I'm still sleeping, you

908
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 2: call out. The knocking gets more insistent. Ugh, come in,

909
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: you shout as you sit up and pull the comforter

910
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: around you. Your friend Gianna comes rushing into your room,

911
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: holding out her iPad. You can hear commotion beyond her,

912
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: out in the common areas. Oh my god, Olivia, Oh

913
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: my god. You start to panic. Is someone hurt? Did

914
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: someone dies? Everything okay? No one is hurt, no one died,

915
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: But everything is not okay. Gianna shoves her iPad in

916
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: your face and you read the CNN page in front

917
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: of you. You can't believe your eyes. Rick Singer's empire

918
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: has fallen and taken your parents with it. Is this true?

919
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: Your friend asks. You don't know how to answer. You

920
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: knew Rick had juiced up some story about you and

921
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: your sister rowing crew in order to get into USC.

922
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: You'd never really done it, crewe. But who cares, she thought.

923
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: You scroll down the page and you see yourself in

924
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: a video clip. It's from one of your YouTube videos.

925
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: You're joking about not caring much about school. Oh crap,

926
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Gianna's phone rings. It's my dad, she says, Hi, Yeah,

927
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: I woke her up. I told her calm down. Okay,

928
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: I'll let her know. Gianna stares at you. This is

929
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: looking really bad for my dad. She says, duh, same

930
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: for me, you say. Gianna tells you that the ship

931
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: is heading immediately for Port. Her dad has arranged for

932
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: a private jet to take you back to La. Your

933
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: mom's in Vancouver and hasn't been arrested yet. Your dad

934
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: is at the house in bel Air waiting for agents

935
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: to arrive and take him away. You're scared to look

936
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: at your own phone. You reach down into your bag

937
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 2: on the floor and fish it out. You've never seen

938
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 2: so many message and voicemail and app notifications in your life.

939
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: You look up at Gianna. Everyone does this. You tell her.

940
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: She looks away. You feel afraid and embarrassed, but you

941
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: get up and you start to pack your bag as

942
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: you feel the engines in the yacht begin to steer

943
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: the ship to Port. This is a nightmare, you think.

944
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: Do you know that I've seen and I've been in

945
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: a room with this girl?

946
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: Really?

947
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: Rick Caruso, he goes east to go to I used

948
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: to go to Saint Monica's church in Santa Monica, the

949
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: Catholic church, and go there with my mother. In the

950
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: front row would be Rick Caruso, his kids, and Arnold

951
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: Schwartzenegger and they would all be there and like like

952
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: swanning around like we were in the like you know,

953
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: the medicis where it's like, oh, all the rich people

954
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: in the front row. And Crusoe loved it, and he

955
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: had his sons or like these tall and that I

956
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: know the daughters, like I know exactly who this.

957
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: Girl is is, poor little bitch good I.

958
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: Love how get her off my boat so bad?

959
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: I have zero sympathy for any of these people.

960
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: I know you zero.

961
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: So USC University of Southern California was central to the scandal,

962
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: obviously eight employees several which is get implicated. They immediately

963
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: placed a hold on all students connected to Rick's scheme,

964
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: and then they did this like huge internal review. They

965
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: fired senior administrators in the athletic department. Later in twenty twenty,

966
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: the university sued Rick and all the parents to recover damages.

967
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: And then they created a new office of Ethics and Compliance.

968
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: Late and for Yale women's soccer coach Rudy Meredith resigned. Obviously,

969
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 2: Yale revoked the admission of the student's link to his bribe.

970
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: President Peter Salive announced an external review of athletics recruiting procedures.

971
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: I wonder if they look back to see how many

972
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: students came through and like if they repealed any degrees

973
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: they'd given out.

974
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I do know that I think it

975
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: was my cousin who knew someone who got they got yanked.

976
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I love this.

977
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: At Walligh School, so over. At Stanford, sailing coach John

978
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: Vandermere pleted guilty. Stanford disbanded the sailing team fundraising arm

979
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: not the team. The university release statements reaffirming like we

980
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: ow it a zero tolerance for admissions for sure. Sure,

981
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: The University of California System UCLA announced an internal audit

982
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: of athletic admissions and they required third party verification of

983
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: recruit credentials. Netflix fast trackted documentary Operation Versity Blues the

984
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: college admission scandal that was in twenty twenty one, and

985
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: they used actors to reenact all the wiretap calls. Amazon

986
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: and eBay briefly took rix to self published books off

987
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: the market because like demand spike for these curiosities.

988
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: Ethical. Yes.

989
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 2: Felicity Huffman poleted guilty really quickly in May have twenty

990
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: nineteen to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and on a

991
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: services fraud. She got sentenced September of twenty nineteen to

992
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: fourteen days in prison, thirty thousand dollars fine, and two

993
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty hours of community service. So she like

994
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: made this like tearful apology and then she did that

995
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: short prison stay. So some are like, Oh, she's really accountable,

996
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: and others are like, that's.

997
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: It yet in jail.

998
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Lur and Massimo they initially fought the charges

999
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: and that was like, there's all this crazy tabloid coverage,

1000
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: but then they pleaded guilty in twenty twenty. Yeah, Laughlin

1001
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: got two months, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine,

1002
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: one hundred hours of community service. Massimo got five months,

1003
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars fine, two hundred and

1004
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: fifty hours community service behind. I don't think either one

1005
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: of them did the full time obviously, especially like in California,

1006
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: they cut it short for rich people. Olivia Jade lost

1007
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: her YouTube sponsorships Sephora Tresame. Later she went back online

1008
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: and like she shut everything down and she was like

1009
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: trying to lay really low. But then she went on

1010
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Red Table Talk Jenny Yes Jaden Jada Pinkett Smith to

1011
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: discuss the scandal. The image of US rowing machines and

1012
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 2: the fact that she was literally on a USC trustee's

1013
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: yacht when the story broke became like shorthand for privilege.

1014
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: Totally and not just anyone but the chairman, but the chairman,

1015
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: Rick Caruso, the Americana, the Yeah, the grove, like so

1016
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 3: many la iconic Dellionaire.

1017
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty much. All the other defendants pleaded guilty or

1018
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: were convicted at trial, except for Robert Zangrillo, founder of

1019
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: Dragon Global Investments. He paid two hundred and fifty thousand

1020
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: dollars for his daughter's fake USC application as a design major,

1021
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: and he stalled his case and then received a pardon

1022
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: from then President Trump in January twenty twenty one, just

1023
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: before he left office. So he got pardoned and Rick.

1024
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess it was federal charges, ye, charger, I.

1025
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: Don't think what of Rick. Rick remained free under cooperation

1026
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: agreements until sentencing. Like just ahead of sentencing, he submitted

1027
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: to the court he wrote out quote, I have been

1028
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: reflecting on my very poor judgment and criminal activities that

1029
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: increasingly had become my way of life. I have woken

1030
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: up every day feeling shame, remorse, and regret. I acknowledge

1031
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: that I am fully responsible for my crimes by ignoring

1032
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: what was morally, ethically and legally right in favor of

1033
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: winning what I perceived was the college admissions game. I've

1034
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: lost everything.

1035
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: He's like my shame or remorse and regret at getting caught.

1036
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: Getting caughtrect So January of twenty twenty three, he got

1037
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: sentenced to forty two months in federal prison three years

1038
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: of supervised release. They had him paid nineteen million dollars.

1039
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: Half his restitution to the irs and the other half

1040
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: is forfeitures of money and assets. And so he reported

1041
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: to the Bureau of Prisons and then was later transferred

1042
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: to a halfway house in twenty twenty four. So, according

1043
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: to prosecutors, Rick collected more than twenty five million dollars

1044
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 2: from his clients. He paid bribes totaling more than seven million,

1045
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: and he used more than fifteen million dollars of his

1046
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: client's money for his own benefit.

1047
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: And he had to either give that back or come

1048
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: up restitution.

1049
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: July of twenty twenty five, he's back in the news.

1050
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: He was back to advising students. If you can believe.

1051
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: It, are you the shamelessness of that?

1052
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: His sister I guess started a company, and there were

1053
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: questions about whether this should be allowed. Yeah, but a

1054
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: district judge ruled this or even pursued he could work

1055
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: in college admissions advising, but he had to post a

1056
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy word disclaimer explaining the charges against

1057
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: him and his guilty plea prominently on his website. There

1058
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: are people like the parents are like, oh so it works,

1059
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: It's good.

1060
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy's.

1061
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: In a statement on the id Future Star website, he says,

1062
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: in part quote, I'm not afraid to tell people who

1063
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: I am, and then I made a mistake, took full responsibility,

1064
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: and want to share my expertise, passion, and desire to

1065
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: help shape our next generation's leaders by helping each find

1066
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: a college and career that's the right choice for each individual.

1067
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: The important values I learned in my journey is to

1068
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: stay away from the gray areas and college admissions and

1069
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: institutional advancement. That I will not be traveling down the

1070
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: uneven side of the road, even when the coast looks clear,

1071
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: but I will fiercely seek the proper guidance and support

1072
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: from expert counsel.

1073
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you didn't find God.

1074
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: I mean, right, was Aaron, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1075
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: My delight at people like Rick Caruso he dragged into

1076
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: this because like it feels like, you know, in our

1077
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: world today, corruption is the coin of the realms. It

1078
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: feels like I'm sure that some of these people felt

1079
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: like I thought everyone was doing this, and it feels

1080
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: like everyone's doing this. So for someone like him to

1081
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: be drug in because I know he would have hated that, yes,

1082
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 3: And I feel bad. I feel bad for myself that

1083
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: I even have any joy in my heart at that,

1084
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 3: but I do like it.

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Speaker 2: I just kept thinking about you know when she Olivia

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Speaker 2: Jade is like everyone's doing it, yeah, And in my mind,

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Speaker 2: I'm just flashing to like I'm flashing like a high

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Speaker 2: school senior who's like a first one in the family

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Speaker 2: to go to college and who's studying like.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, doesn't even have a sleepy dave.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't have a sleepy dave, and it's just working so

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Speaker 2: hard and like do it, like getting like a crazy

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Speaker 2: over four point zero gpa and acing tests and hoping

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Speaker 2: and praying they can get scholarships and you know, pell

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Speaker 2: grants or something like in order to make this work

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Speaker 2: and that everyone in their family's behind them in like

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Speaker 2: an honest and true way, that this is this great

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Speaker 2: hope and they're so proud of this student and they're

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Speaker 2: gonna be on pins and needles whether they get into

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Speaker 2: these colleges. But then can I afford it? Because it's

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Speaker 2: like you can get scholarships that are going to cover

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Speaker 2: the tuition and stuff, but it's the cost of living

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Speaker 2: and if you have to move somewhere, and you think

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Speaker 2: of like how desperate and anxiety producing that is. And

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Speaker 2: then you got these kids who are just like so

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Speaker 2: up their own rears and they're just they put no

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Speaker 2: effort in, and then we just buy it by it,

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Speaker 2: by it. It's like the two severe ends of our

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Speaker 2: society where we keep fracturing more and more of like

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Speaker 2: the super wealthy can do whatever they want and everyone

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Speaker 2: else is just like scraping.

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Speaker 3: Meritocracy has absolutely and that student.

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Speaker 2: That first in the family to go, the one who

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Speaker 2: struggles and who will get into college and succeed. Then

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Speaker 2: they if they take out loans, they're gonna be paying

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Speaker 2: that back. They're gonna get no loan forgiveness now, and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna be just like trying to get a job

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Speaker 2: in an economy that's you know.

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Speaker 3: Difficult working for one of these people who.

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Speaker 2: Start working and Rick crusoes. Yeah, the answering phones. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so anyway, that's mine. I need to talk back after that.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I w.

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Speaker 1: Chap brother.

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Speaker 3: I'm Marning Tuia.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is a long time listener and I have

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Speaker 2: decided that you guys need to start a good Reads

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Speaker 2: library of all.

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Speaker 3: Of the what do you call them authors who have

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Speaker 3: gone to jail or half stories so that we can

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Speaker 3: keep up and read along.

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Speaker 2: I love that you do.

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Speaker 3: Need the ridiculous A really good idea. Yeah, the Incarcerated

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Speaker 3: Authors Club.

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Speaker 2: I think that's good. We'll work on. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: the suggestion. What squealing tires.

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Speaker 3: In the back? That was cool.

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Speaker 2: That's it for today. You can find us online at

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Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also at ridiculous Crime on

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