WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & James Kimmel 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.320 today's best minds, and Lisa Murkowski says it's dangerous for 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.400 us in the legislative branch. We have such a great 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.720 show for you today, the Lincoln Projects owen Rick Wilson 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.160 joins us to discuss the No Kings protest, Trump's sad 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:28.479 Birthday parade, and political violence. Then we'll talk to James 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.520 Kimmel about his new book, The Science of Revenge, Understanding 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.440 the world's deadliest addiction and how to overcome it. But 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.240 first the news. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.160 So, Molly, one of the things I feared the most 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.440 as being a pro union person is how much progress 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.320 we were making underbided and that the second Trump got 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.800 in that they would be doing everything they can to 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:48.480 call it back. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:49.879 Well, we're starting to see that. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.120 I didn't think it would be very high on their priorities, 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.760 And yeah, it seems like they're getting down to it fively. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.000 And by the way, can I just add the big 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:04.040 union right, the auto Workers did not endorse Harris. They 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.080 refused to endorse right. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:07.640 Yeah. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.680 One of the things that I think is very interesting 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.000 about union culture, right, now is that we are seeing 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.160 such partisanship of their ranks that the leadership is actually 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.400 fearful of what happens. We're even seeing that at our 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.880 mayoral election right now with a lot of the unions. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.240 Yeah, so here are unions, a lot of their members 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:29.839 are voting for Trump, and there people are getting punished 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.120 by trump Ism. The arrest and violent man handling of 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.520 the president of the Service Employees International Union of California 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.640 suggests that Trump is targeting union leaders for arrest. So 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.520 this is like right out of the authoritarian playbook, right. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:50.440 You don't want collective fargeting because it makes workers more powerful. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.240 You don't want powerful workers because it makes the president 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:59.160 less powerful. Remember when whenever you see stuff like this happening, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.680 ask yoursel who does it hurt? Who does it help? 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.640 And with so much of this, Trump's whole goal is 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.280 to expand presidential power, right as we saw in Project 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.000 twenty twenty five. He wants to grow the executive branch 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.160 and shrink the other branches. Now, Republicans in Congress are 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.799 happy to do this, They're happy to give him the power. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.360 But this is a really good example of ways in 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.839 which the Trump administration is trying to grow its power. Look, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.480 they want to silence dissent, right Their labor unions are 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.760 trying to push back. But you know, they they have 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:33.480 really kneecapped themselves by electing Donald Trump. It's one of 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.640 these things where I don't know how you know, a 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.000 lot of this late the labor protection, the negotiating protection 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.560 is being rolled back right now at the state level 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.640 and a lot of red states, and at the federal 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.120 level too. And you know, these people, a lot of 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.240 these people voted for Trump. They voted for Republicans. You know, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.480 they didn't make the connection between being in a union 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.720 and the Republicans war with unions. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:58.320 Yeah. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.440 So, speaking of unforeseen consequences, the washingt Post has some 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.760 great journalism about how vaccine critics appointed by RFK Junior 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.040 are going to limit access to shots. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:16.480 This is not even unforeseen, this is foreseen. Well, this 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.320 fucking guy was going to make it hard to get vaccines. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:20.040 We saw it. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.480 But I would argue that a lot of people were like, no, no, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:23.320 it's fine. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.359 Well we've had people on this podcast who said you're 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.720 not going to be able to get somebody. Yes, that's 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.680 where we are right now. So Robert F. Kennedy Junior's 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.840 overhaul of the Federal Immunization Panel will create uncertainty about 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.119 how widely vaccines will be available. So these recommendations will 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.080 mean that the vaccines that are covered by insurance or 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:49.760 medicaid may not be covered anymore, because my man RFK 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.680 Junior will say he doesn't think that people need measles 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.560 or mumps, or rubella or chicken pox or all the 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.920 vaccines that keep us safe. Look, this is because of COVID. Right. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:08.040 COVID made everyone lose their brains. A significant, small, but 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.960 significant part of the American population decided that they were 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.760 going to get tripped by grifters and snake oil salesmen 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.240 like RFK Junior. And this is how we got here. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.679 So our FK Junior now running our country's house, we're 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.760 all completely fucked. Did I mention that we have children 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:31.640 dying of measles that was never needed? So many things 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.560 could have been prevented. We're seeing the Trump administration just 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:42.159 once again falling apart, elevating people who are incompetent. Now 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.640 we have RFK Junior, a complete grifter. Every day, we 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.320 don't have a pandemic as a miracle. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.720 Yeah, and you know a funny thing would I went 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.360 to Canada last week. I was very funny the subtle 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.960 shade that the border crossing through at Americans of like 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:56.960 measles is. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.479 Now on the rise in Canada. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.520 I wonder why, please please be sure to not bring 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.080 it here, Thank you very much. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.840 Yeah, the worst so by. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.240 One of the things we discussed last week is Trump 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.320 had all these tweets where it's started to seem like 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.279 he's going a little soft on Steven Miller's vision of 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:15.960 a white no state. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.760 And Axios has some interesting reporting here. What do you see? 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.680 You'll be shocked to know that rich guy talks to 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.000 other rich people. Other rich people say, you know, as 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.560 much as we love the visual of your guys hunting 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.760 farmers in the field, hunting agriculture workers, as much as 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:40.080 that's fun for us, it's hurting our business. These are jobs, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.719 and Americans do not want agricultural workers. They're tough jobs, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.400 they're hard work, they're in the field. We can get 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.440 Americans to take like manufacturing jobs, let alone jobs working 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.880 in the field. The people who do these jobs keep 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.520 us from starving, and we're so lucky to have them. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.560 So we have Hatum King a senior ice official. I'm 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.640 sure this person is a great person, sending an email 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.240 to agency officials nationwide telling them to please hold on 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:17.520 all work site enforcement investigations, operations on agriculture including aquaculture 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:23.480 and meatpacking plants, restaurants, and operating hotels, especially Trump hotels. Look, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.600 this was always bullshit. This whole administration is built on 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.480 a lie. Donald Trump always employed workers that had, you know, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:38.760 sketchy immigration statuses, always always, So of course they're going 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.360 to make sure that those people don't get to ported 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.840 they need them for these jobs. So here we are. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.880 Yet again, we could have seen all of this coming 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:55.960 a million miles away, But here we are. Rick Wilson 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.680 is the founder of the Lincoln Project and the host 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:02.880 of the Enemy's List Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics fan 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.920 favorite bestie, Rick Wills. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.200 Man about town, the whole thing? Thank you? How are 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:08.680 you today? 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.840 Right? Man? About town? If that town is in Florida, Yes, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.800 under kind of kind of undermines the whole thing, kind 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:17.160 of Yeah. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.200 Speaking of Florida, I live, as you know, in the 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.800 middle of a giant ocean of red. Yes, and yet 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.320 somehow in the capital of Florida yesterday five thousand people 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.280 turned up at a protest for No Kings like I 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.679 had never I mean, I've lived here a long time 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.400 and it ordinarily the progressive world manages to get a 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.000 protest with about a half a dozen people on the 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.880 steps of the capitol and one weird sign. This thing 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.360 was wall to wall blocks around the capitol, which. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.920 Was nuts in Tallahassee. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.600 Tallahassee, a state that has been dominated by the Republican 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.559 Party for the last twenty five years, managed they managed 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.640 to have two sort of sort of scrubby looking maga 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.600 kids three blocks away hold one sign as a counter protest. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.400 So I don't know what's going on, but that seemed 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.480 to be iterating across the whole country. Had a buddy 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.760 of mine in Billings, Montana, crowds in the street like 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.920 you couldn't believe he's like he's he goes when I 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.240 tell you, this is half the city, I mean it, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:15.840 it's crazy. 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.640 What do you think that means? The numbers I saw 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:24.560 Elliott Morris, h smart guy, used to run five thirty eight, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.640 and he had he had sort of calculated the numbers 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.160 as higher than five million. I saw five million in 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.760 the New York Times, but Ellie Morris thinks it's closer 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.040 to more than that. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.559 Yeah he said. I think he said something like it 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.520 could be up to thirteen million people, yes, which is nuts. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.280 So up to thirteen million people gets us to a 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:51.560 level where about we're almost too I think a little 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.479 bit less than one percent of the of America protesting. 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.480 That's what they call the Color Revolution line. When you 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.240 have one or two percent of the population out protesting, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.040 the deer leaders have lost a lot of power. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.400 And some are saying, I'm going to use a jesse 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.680 Can in fact check here. Uh. Some are saying that 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.680 this was the biggest protest in American history. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:21.079 Listen, I could I could make that argument. I think there. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.920 I think there was something yesterday in the air across 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.679 the country. I think there was a little bit of 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.960 whistling past the graveyard at first, like people are like, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.559 oh god, what if it doesn't turn out? What if 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:36.800 this doesn't work? And and it was. It was bonkers everywhere. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.240 And I was nuts. So I was in Nantucket because 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.000 I have a book that just came out, which I 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:45.920 don't know if. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.240 Do you do people know about it? Is it a 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:49.520 New York Times bestseller? Yes? 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.160 It is number six on the combined list. I have 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.240 to tell you there are no words for the level 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.560 of thrill. But anyway, I was in it. But you know, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.960 it's I'm the meme where it's like the world is 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.800 burning down and I'm like, so I have a book, 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.720 but but but I was in Nantucket for this book. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.040 For Nantucket is known to be well in the Northeast, 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.040 a very Republican island, so much so that the guy 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.240 sitting in front of me was wearing a Trump a 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.840 Trump golf club a shirt that had a sort of 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.440 small insignia that said Trump Jupiter or whatever. But I 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.480 want to talk about this. It was a huge protest 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.439 in Nantucket, which is a Republican island. So it is 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.000 really does feel like these places where you don't expect 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.400 to see protests, we're seeing big right test. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.440 Right. I think this happened to the surprise of a 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.960 lot of the Maga folks yesterday because the gigantic Maga 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.679 media machine was in full throttle, like there's no there 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.640 are no there, nobody's at the no Kings rallies, there 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.800 are no no Kings rallies whatsoever. No one's out at all, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.160 but five million people are in Washington for President's Military 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.439 dictatorship Parade. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:07.840 Right, so let's talk about the military dictatorship parade, because 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.679 there's a really smart thing. I saw that the individual 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:20.520 No Kings Rally organizers wrote on their website which said, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.120 and even Axios, which is known to. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:30.400 Not be not exactly like friend of progressive politics, Axios. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:35.160 Yes exactly, said that the people they wanted to provide 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.640 a kind of counter programming and not a competition, and 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:43.319 that's why they didn't go to Washington, DC. Right. They 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.080 stayed away because they didn't because they wanted to sort 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.520 of dominate the news cycle and provide an alternative narrative 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:58.120 versus a sort of combative program, right, program around trump Ism, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.440 which I think is really an important thought when you're 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.199 talking about sort of permeating the discourse. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.440 Look, I think I think that that the grassroots energy 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:15.400 in this thing was so unique and it's and I will, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.040 I will, you know, went back to my my experience 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.199 at at one of these yesterday, I actually saw three 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.800 or four of my Republican friends who aren't even like 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.439 people I would have thought like, oh, he's a never trumper. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.480 I was surprised. I talked to one guy I was like, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.600 I'm shocked to see you here, he goes, I'm just done. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.679 And I think that they that they correctly calibrated. That 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.160 did we get a broader uplift from this if it 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.760 didn't feel like it was just like one more sort 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:44.040 of generic fuck Trump thing, and you opened it up 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.920 and people felt a lot more sans of community about it. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.280 I just I don't go to a lot of marches 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:54.439 and shit, but yeah, this was impressive and it was optimistic, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.640 and there were a lot of American flags flying and 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.640 a lot of people who who who got the memo, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.080 who stood the assignment as they say. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:07.520 I want to talk about UH disinformation because it is 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.240 really important when we talk about these protests to talk 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.559 about Twitter and what happened on Twitter and the political violence. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.640 The woman and her husband. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.439 Minnesota former former House majority leader in the. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:25.400 Former House majority leader Melissa Horman and her husband murdered 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:31.760 in their bads. Two other members of the Minnesota State House, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.920 both Melissa Horman and her husband and John Hoffman and 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:43.560 his wife Okay murdered in their bads by a conservative Christian, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:54.120 anti choice, anti right UH worked in private security, carried weapons, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:54.640 et cetera. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.880 Right the all the all the unsurprised, using descriptors of 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.800 this guy that once you knew them, you were like, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.679 of course. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.120 So this happens, he is now on the run. A 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.720 few thoughts here. One, these were the people who were 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.760 being watched by the FBI before cash Betel got in charge. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.880 Right now, they are no longer You're no longer allowed 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:24.560 to watch these people because those people, right, because. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.960 The deep state was watching them in the We can't 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.600 have anybody monitored by the deep state anymore because obviously 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.960 they're just they were the same sort of innocent tourists 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.600 that were just visiting with love on January Seanuary sixth. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.800 So the day this happened, Twitter became a sea of 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.720 disinformation and the magas works trying to sell a story 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:49.280 that these people had voted against healthcare for non citizens 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.320 and that was why they got murdered by a Marxist. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.360 Right, and so you get guys like Mike Cernovic and 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.400 Mike Lee and the rest of the sort of Trump 0:14:59.560 --> 0:14:59.920 is set. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.600 One is an online influencer who started Pizzagate. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.400 Right right, Well, they're basically, look, these these are not 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.840 they're not sending their best moly, right, but but what 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.440 we're talking about here, when you get down to it, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:22.080 is this alternate ecosystem that cannot confront reality. They cannot 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.520 confront what is actually happening here, which is that the 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:30.720 right wing maga media ecosystem feeds these people a constant 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.640 diet of lies and bullshit that that that every Democrat 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:40.520 is a is a cannibal, pedophile, child trafficker, blah blah blah. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.760 And when they when one of their own commits a 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.160 crime like this, a horrifying crime, they believe they control 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.480 their way out of the problem, right, and and so 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.240 we end up with a situation like yesterday, which a 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.520 US Senator, Mike Lee, who absofrikingly know better. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.080 Okay, yes, is a United States senator. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.920 Yes, let's let's emphasize that point again, a United States 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:14.120 senator is out talking the worst weird ass smack about, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.040 you know, pretending that this was a political assassination because 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:23.560 of wokeness. And it's so disgusting at every level. It's 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:29.320 so weak at every level, because they are they recognize 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:34.000 that that what they've created as a monster, and that 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.800 monster is now out roaming the world. And it's frankly, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:42.920 yesterday murdered two people. The guy in his car had 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.720 a hit list of seventy other elected Democratic. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.080 Officials, but my friend Tim Walls. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:54.240 Yes, and and folks you know, like Ilhan Omar and 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.640 a whole variety of other people that does not exactly 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:02.480 fit the profile of left wing on a murder spree. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.200 This was a right wing assassin. He's been motivated by 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:11.399 people like well, by by institutions like Breitbart and Fox News, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.440 because they're told over and over again, you're you're being 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.840 pursued by the evil left wingers. They're trying to destroy you. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.280 They're not human. They deserve everything we can give them 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.080 in terms of political and personal violence. And the whole 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.679 thing is a utterly predictable and repulsive set of behaviors 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.199 that I don't I don't think. I don't think. I 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.080 sometimes think I've lost the capacity to be shocked, but 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.320 I clearly haven't because I'm and this one is shocking 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:43.840 even to me. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.840 First of all, Mark Cuban, if you listen to this podcast, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.680 you should buy Twitter, Okay, because somebody rich should buy 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.320 Twitter and make it normal again, because Elon has made 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.840 it completely unusable and it has a really good purpose 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.920 and it's really a public util and you know, Elon 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.560 is down the rabbit hole now of whatever. It's time 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:07.399 to buy Twitter. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.240 Yeah, I mean look and frankly, you could probably get 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.160 Twitter at a pretty reasonable price at this point. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.359 Yeah, so that is number one, because the site has degraded, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.640 But it also is what you see, it's it's completely 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:20.920 without use at this point. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.520 But it's also But here's the thing, the degree to 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.280 which the right values Twitter because it is this normative 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.320 force for them. It is this powerful thing that keeps 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.080 them in line, that keeps them on message and over 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.439 and over again. I don't I've said this to a 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:43.000 lot a lot of wealthy people recently. Like the power 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.520 of Fox, Facebook and Twitter to control what the maga 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:53.480 world thinks and does is beyond comprehension. It is. It 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:58.679 is super powerful as as a way of shaping what 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:03.000 they believe, what they see, what they read. And it 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:08.280 also empowers people who again think they control their way 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.640 out of a mass murder or an attempted mass murder 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:16.320 by one of Donald Trump's fervent supporters. Yeah, and it, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.159 you know, it did blow up in their faces a 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.040 bit like oh yes, obviously, he's just like every other 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.760 liberal who's been a registered Republican for twenty two years 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.320 has a private security company and so on and so on. Yeah, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.399 it's the silliness of this shit is beyond Yeah. 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.800 No, of course, and it's totally ridiculous. But there was 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.040 also I want to talk about. There was a little 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.800 bit of violence that happened yesterday that I want to 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.119 talk about because I think it's really important and it 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.439 didn't get reported because there's no local news, so you 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.199 may be listening to this podcast and you may not 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.160 know about it. So most of the rallies were peaceful, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.680 but okay, there were in Salt Lake City somebody got 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:04.320 critically injured into the crowd and in Culpeper, Virginia, somebody 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.120 throw their suv into the crowd. So those are two 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:10.960 real things that happened. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.320 Oh you mean political violence. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.040 Yeah, oh, I mean political. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.720 I was told that only happens on the left. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.280 Weird political violence. You know, I don't think it should 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:22.720 be brushed over, right. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.320 We should address it more honestly than than the right 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.320 would like. And they really don't want to talk about this. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:33.679 They want to pretend that they are the set upon victims, 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.119 they're the they're the the David to the Goliath of 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.760 some sort of violent progressive action, which is has been 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.560 and has always been garbage. And look, I believe me 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.679 if I would if I saw it on the left, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.080 I'd call it out because it benefits no one. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.879 Yeah, it's certainly true. I wonder if we could talk 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.320 for a minute about how Trump actually had to watch 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.680 the parade. Oh, it was so beautiful, Like, I wonder 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:04.880 if he didn't think. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:09.040 This through No, he never thinks anything through Molly. He 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.399 has no ability to think outside of his of his 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.480 like tiny animal brain, and he thought this will be 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.359 a great triumph. I will look strong, I will I 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.960 will buy association, absorb the strength of these warriors. And 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.280 he looked like a dip shit half asleep behind the 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:31.479 glass at a poorly attended and by poorly attended folks, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:36.159 I mean poorly attended. Yeah, they were expecting a million 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.400 people and they maybe got a maybe got fifty thousand. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:44.960 The mall was empty. Trump's reviewing stand had empty seats 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.240 directly across from it, which, if you're a political advance guy, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.360 get another job tomorrow because you fucked up. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.920 But also, can we just talk about, like why did 0:21:54.960 --> 0:22:01.359 this need to be sponsored by Coinbase and Boeing or 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:06.679 I think coin Base. It was coin Base and Lockheed Martin. 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:08.840 Yeah, look, it was a bunch of there were a 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.280 bunch of bunch of corporate sponsors in bold. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.280 But weren't the taxpayers really the sponsors of this? 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.359 That was exactly what I was about to say, Mali. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.440 But the real the real sponsor was the US taxpayer. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.639 The real sponsor was was every American who had to 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.000 fork over their tax dollars for this eighty five million dollar, 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.960 eighty nine million dollar horseshit. And and the reality is 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.919 Trump begged for a missile parade in the first administration. 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.879 He was ab he saw one in France, that's right, 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:40.880 Steel day. 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.960 That he was obsessed with it. And now he finally 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.119 got one. He didn't have an esper or a Millie 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:48.720 who said, no, sir, you can't do this. 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:50.680 Yeah. Millie was like, no dice. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:54.159 Yeah, Millie was like a no loss, no chief, the 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:59.600 same how this works. Yeah, but you know, he he 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:05.800 desperately wanted this again. Donald Trump, the draft dodging, chicken 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.560 shit coward who demeaned diminished John McCain, who called our 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.280 troop suckers, and losers, who has over and over again 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.480 essentially except pressed his contempt for the service of others, 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:22.320 wanted to absorb the heroism of American military men and women. 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:27.080 I mean, I found the whole thing so crass and 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:31.400 stupid and badly run because you know, you have these 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.440 guys marching by it. It's like brought to you by Coinbase, 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.560 sponsored by UFC, and it's just like, oh, come on, dude. 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:48.720 Yeah, it was incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. Rick Wilson, John joining. 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:49.960 Me a pleasure as always. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:51.040 Will you be back? 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.280