WEBVTT - Ep. 137: Bulls, Bucks, and Pre-Chewed Meat 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening past. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:29.320 can't predict anything. Kurt Roscoe dude wrote in to say 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.840 that you were harder than a woodpeckers. I want to say, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:34.200 like a woodpeckers pecker, But that wasn't what he said. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.159 But it had a ring to it. But it was 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.400 like harder than a woodpecker's beak. But I don't think 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.479 that was it. I guess it is a comment, but 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:48.159 he was referring more to the eating of the of 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:52.839 your trick of your hot tip of just instead of 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.200 putting boiling water into freeze dry food envelopes, you just 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.840 put regular water in there at noon in order there 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:07.119 will be people rehydrated by nighttime. Yeah, and that makes 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:13.320 one harder than a woodpeckers pack or whatever it was. Uh, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.039 were you employing that strategy on your I did a 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.280 couple of days. Yeah, yeah, but it got so that 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.959 was one thing I didn't you know mentioned before, is 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.040 it got so cold that sometimes it just never rehydrates 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.880 or it was almost crazing way it was it was snowing, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.760 So that can create its own problems too. I brought 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.520 more fuel. Surprisingly enough, after our conversations, I got to 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.440 thinking about it, and I thought you did. You did 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.160 on several things. The first thing is is that I 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.440 brought a pair of sunglasses. Oh yeah, but they were 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.120 a cheap pair and I lost him on the hike. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.840 Ind so they didn't do me much good. Some dude 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.760 loving it, yeah something, I liked it, and then I 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.080 stuffed him in my pocket. Next thing, they're gone, and 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.400 that's the where it goes. I haven't brought I didn't 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.640 bring some glad doll sheep hunting, and I didn't bring 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.240 a melk hunting. You talked me out of it, and 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.760 we wouldn't have used them on our sheep punt. There's 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.280 maybe a day. But you know out there too, I 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.679 feel like the sun is so low. It's not like 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.080 you know, at those higher latitudes right where you're not 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.040 getting that like direct sun. It just is like you've 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.400 seen that stuff where you're hunting at super high latitudes 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.880 where especially get later in the year where it just 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.920 seems like it's dawn and then sometime around one or 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.520 two o'clock nothing changes. But you just saw a sunden 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.400 registering as evening because the sun is at this super low, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.800 shallow angle way off at the horizon. It just is 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.720 like dawn all day and at some point you just 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.680 jumped to thinking of it as the evening. And it 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.200 never feels like mid day. It's almost a flat light. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.600 It seems like almost like a cloudy day, yeah, type 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.720 of it's never that just you know, bearing down on you. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.240 But you went out. Uh so, what tell us what happens? 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.520 We'd like talked about the prelude this is this is 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.560 Kurt doing the impossible hunt. Yeah, so, um explain the 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.040 impot I like to call it the impossible hunt. I've 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.200 never done it. Yeah, well, uh so we've talked about 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.720 it before. There are five districts in the state of 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.919 Montana that are they call them the Unlimited Sheep Hunts, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.799 and they're unlimited in the sense that anybody can purchase 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.760 a tag from anywhere and go and each each one 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.480 of the units has a quota typically right around two 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.160 sheep two legal rams, which in most cases ends up 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.960 being you know, five year old ram. It's a checked 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.800 their eggs, but kind of a four and five eighths 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:45.000 or uh what would I say, little under three quarter 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.320 and and so from there. Uh, the season stays open 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:51.880 for about two and a half months all the way 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.080 through regular rifle season, as long as the quota stays open. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.960 And that's really kind of the h I hunted at 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:06.040 four years and killed one, killed one. Yeah, yeah, well 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.040 I should clarify it. I will have hunted at four 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.160 years by next year. So yeah, if I've hunted it 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.400 three years so far, because if you get one, you 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.760 have to take seven years. I'll take seven years off. Yeah. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.279 So you just finished your seven year hiatus and went 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.240 this year went, didn't see a single hold on. I 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.760 don't understand this was your fourth season or not. No, 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.960 next year will be my fourth season. I said, like, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.440 how many times are you going to You did it once? Yep, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.120 you did the underlimited unit once, saw sheep or didn't 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.880 see sheep. I didn't see sheep. You did it once 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.279 and didn't see it. You did it again, killed one, yep. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.920 Waited seven years, ye did it, and we'll getting what happened. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.719 Yeah didn't you ship? Nope? And then next year you're 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.919 going who knows? Yeah, yeah, who knows. Yeah, that'll be 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.440 the fun part. Didn't see a single one, No, didn't 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:55.560 see a single one. Are you looking, that's all you do. Yeah, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.799 like your secrets special canyon. Yeah, WHI you hunted before 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.480 I did? Well, I headed that direction. I made it 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.760 nine miles in when I hunted it the last time, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.360 and this time I went a bit further and got 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.760 about seventeen miles and uh kind of started working my 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.160 way back from there. And yeah, that was just the program. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:18.640 You know. You get to a nice spot where you 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.720 can glass and then spend as much of the day 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.680 behind the spotting scope and binoculars as you can just 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.400 trying to pick out you know, you're looking little rock slides, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.279 avalanche shoots, any anywhere you think it's gonna hold game, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.520 and just keep changing your angle, try and find bedded 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.359 during the day and obviously the hot times during the 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:42.000 evenings and in the mornings. So they're pretty u creposcular, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.359 like just like an elk or a mule there, like 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.880 you're gonna see them on their feet mostly early in 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.400 late yeah, I think typically. But the other thing I 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.159 found too is that I haven't found necessarily especially elk, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.279 is that you'll see him get up and move around 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.440 during the day at random times, like taking No I've 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.320 caught him. I've caught him feeding, okay, in the middle 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.640 of the day or you know, late mornings. Um, so yeah, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.359 you just never know. I think it's the key is 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.440 just to be behind the glass and be ready for 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.760 whenever they are moving. What name for me the mammals 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.640 that you saw the way over? Two pounds? I saw 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.320 grizzly bear, black bear, goats, a couple of meals there 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.080 on the way in, and that was it. It's pretty 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.920 devoid of game, no ELK, not even an ELK. Grizzlies 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.640 just one. Yeah, way off for up in your business. No, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.560 he was. He was just right across the canyon, right 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.279 where I was glassing for sheep. Yeah, just rumming around. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.599 What was the black beard doing? He was running away 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.760 from me. I jumped him in the timber coming Yeah. No, 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.000 no ELK. How days you spend glasses? Ah? Six? I 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.960 was in there six and then the unit shutdown. The 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.800 unit shut down. Yeah. Have you talked to the guys 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.320 that mind up getting them? No? Uh yeah, you know 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.440 you hear little rumors. I don't know exactly where they were, um, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.440 but you know, the first one happened pretty quick, and 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.440 then the second one was a few days into the 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.280 season and did you run into any other sheep hunters? 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.680 I did not, not where I was. But when I 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.600 got back to about the nine mile mark, I saw 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.080 a couple more camps in that area, and then you 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.200 know a few other camps on the way out from there. Yeah, yeah, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.559 so I didn't. Oh huh, nobody was around horse camp. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.560 There was one camp. There was a horse camp. I 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.240 was really surprised to see horses back in there. I 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.560 hadn't seen him that far and it's too rough a 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.160 ground for horses. Yeah. Yeah, I'm no expert on horses, 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.920 but it's it is just chunky, rocky boulder, you know, 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.760 lots of exposure and spots um. So yeah, I was. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.560 I was surprised to see him there. What was the 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.360 longest period you sat sitting in one spot? The spent 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.320 sitting in one spot without moving your without moving at all, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.040 probably three or four hours, and then I'd try to 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.400 get up and at least change you know, by a 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.120 couple of hundred yards. But the wind that so my 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.840 camp was up over eleven thousand feet and I just 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.119 you'd have to find spots that are secluded or hidden 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:25.200 behind rocks too, just because the wind just relentless but 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.840 well it's cold and you can't keep your glass still. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.560 you know, thirty wind coming across some of those plateaus 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:40.120 during the day soul. After a while, it does, it 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.240 starts to feel like you go a little bit insane, man, Yeah, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.040 it does. Yeah, So, you know, but being able to 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.280 tuck off of one edge and get into some you know, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.600 larger boulders, there's a lot of structure in there, so 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.280 if you can find a nice spot, but it all 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.160 just spend it on wind direction and you know where 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.040 you were. But I had I have several other friends 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.560 that were hunting the district, so including me, there was 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.720 you know, four other groups of good buddies that I 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.480 talked to after they got out. In between our four groups, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.080 you know, one group saw two sheep and so it 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.040 was just it was one of those years you know, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.320 they're they're they're not. So do you feel that they 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.200 were in your Did you just hunt one canyon? No? 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.880 I hunted. I I had a I had a plan 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.480 where I just sequentially worked through the different canyons and 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.920 and it really depended on on the time of day 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.040 two because there's some stuff you can't glass in the 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.520 morning that they would be better to glass in the 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.800 evening or the sun comes up you get the glare 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:40.960 you just can't pick it apart like you need to. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.160 Or or the wind. You know, it's hard to be 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.920 on one side of the mountain when you're getting this 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.679 constant wind coming through in the morning. Seeing nice beds 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.760 and nice sheep ship and everything. Uh No, there isn't 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.559 a lot up And that's that's kind of the differences. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.520 I was glassing from a spot that really isn't gonna 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.760 hold sheep. You know, you're area where you're sitting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look, 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.199 but that's it. Yeah, trying to find goodvantage. You should 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.800 have been with us, man, we saw a dandy, Yeah, 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.080 real dandy. Different state. Yeah, if you have ferment in 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.760 southeast Washington. Yeah, a lot of beds, a lot of tracks, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.160 and then one nice big ram. So is the fact 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.760 that you're calling us the impossible hunt because it's an 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.720 unlimited hunt. Everyone's going and they're chasing them and there's 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:30.920 just success. Yeah. For example, the United I hunted this year. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.560 They didn't ever take a ram out of last year. Yeah, 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.880 two and half season. Yeah, this isn't the units where 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.200 they're trying to wipe them out right. No. That yeah, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:43.719 that was that was a little bit different. That was 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.840 a very unique situation in the tendoise here, and that 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.040 was like a pneumonia thing. That was a pneumonia thing, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.440 you know that they decided to, you know, turn over 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.360 and ask the hunters to help with the management of it. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.200 Can you I have seventeen big horn points? Can I 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.760 do the unlimited hunt without using my event teen points? 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.080 That's a really good question. I'm not sure I believe 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.240 you can, because man, I want to go. I know 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.000 at some point you'd lose them though, so I don't 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.679 know if you could put in or if you could, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.600 that would be something you'd have to check in their eggs. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.520 What I needed to happen is you to get one 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.439 and then you'd want to go and just mess around 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.560 in your seven year period, and I would go with 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.880 you after I draw my regular one. See that's that's 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.320 probably a good plan. So there's a lot of steps 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.000 that need to fall into place here. But I'm kind 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.800 of curious about it, man. Yeah, um, okay, So not 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.600 a single elk, A lot of wind, A lot of wind. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.320 Were you regretting? Were you liking it? I don't know. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.440 It was perfect. It was. I mean it was. It 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.800 was a great hunt. Yeah. The only thing is that 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.000 it just wasn't long enough. Yes, snowed on me one 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.040 day is And you know, in my position, one of 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.120 the things that's that's really important is getting good days 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.440 of field to test your products. So that that was 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.240 a big part of being able to do that, and 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.520 those type of conditions are very conducive to doing that. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.760 The limits of stuff. Yeah, I see the limits of 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.040 stuff and see how they truly perform, because it's one 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.600 thing to go out and wear something for a hike. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.920 It's a totally different thing to live in it. Yeah. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.000 So what kind of stuff you're tested? Ah, we have 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.600 like future things. Yeah, yeah, we we have quite a 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.800 bit of stuff coming out here January. So yeah, you 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.640 can get all tight lipped. Yeah, there's there's some of 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.760 it that like just give me like a you know, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.000 like a like a whatever you can. Well, I'll just 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.320 say I was I was very warm at night in 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:46.680 my sleeping bag. Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah. We have a 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.800 couple coming out in that line, so really Yeah, side 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:56.560 zipp or center zip side classic Yeah, vent then you 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.480 can vent. Yeah, he's been running like the old schooling 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.880 this hoodless sleeping bag for warm weather. Yeah, I don't 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.079 know they made those anymore. I didn't either. Well, it's 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.120 a special um Nemo makes it. It's uh, I think 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.480 it's called there are galy tensor combination. But it's meant 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.360 to be like a warm weather backcountry hunters set up 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.360 where no hood to lighten it up, no bottom insulation 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.680 lighten it up. You're sleeping pack slides in there and 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.520 to act as your bottom insulation. So I mean the 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.320 whole rig is I mean the bag compresses down to 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.160 like this. I think it's right out of pound. It's 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.680 a fifteen degree or you know, you're the pad is 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.240 a pound, so your whole kids at two pounds. And 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.920 it's even got like a waterproof sort of barrier over 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.880 the bottom two feet so if your feet are sticking 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.720 out from underneath your shelter, you know, if you're just 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.800 running a tent or something. You know. So it's pretty good. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.200 But yeah, as it gets colder, um, you'd like you 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.960 missed that hood. So you guys didn't make a sleeping bag. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.839 Just say, just say, would you just come out with 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.000 like a single fifteen or would you come out with 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:08.640 a with a zero I think I think if we 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.960 were going to do it, we'd probably come out with two. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.320 if you wouldn't wind up being like a like a 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.480 negative and a fifteen, or it would probably end up 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.280 being in that fifteen and then a zero range and 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:30.440 totally only two and they would be conservative at that, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.320 you know, at that, and then these would probably be 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:37.600 filled with u parts from a bird or parts the 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.240 oil field, very very likely from a part from a bird. Yeah, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:48.360 woodpecker beaks water repellent birds. After twenty two decades, I 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:54.320 think of sleeping in bags stags two decades. Sorry, like 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.360 from the old test, was trying the whole test, people 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.880 would have to be six years old. I was trying 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.640 to say twenty years and then somehow as I was 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:09.320 saying it turned into decades. Um. But I've had a 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.160 negative twenty and I've had bags I think as warm 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:18.840 as forty or forty five, and just like those fringes. Sure, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.200 if you got all the money in the world and 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.920 you just want to have every bag from the specific situation, 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.640 sure have them. But for for me, what I do 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.560 and how I hunt a fifteen and zero gets it done. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.520 I'm a four. I like four because I got a 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:37.200 way ass negative mm hmm, which is nice at times. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.680 I don't use it that much, but I have a 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:44.560 way ass negative nemo bag down then I like to have. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.960 But you understand, like the peculiarities of my life. Man, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.000 we're like, I get a lot of gear. This isn't 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.120 like I'm going down to the store and buying all 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.000 these no. I know. I was trying to present it 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.560 when I was saying from from a normal average Jones. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.320 Then I'm gonna present at the average Joe. So scrap 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.920 the one. Because you can combo your bags anyways. You 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.200 can take two bags in combo, so scrap. I would 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.800 never go by the mega negative. I would have a 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.720 zero fifteen. And then this isn't like breaking the bank 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.480 because when I'm up with my fish shack and stuff 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.480 and it's super warm, but you gotta bring a sleeping bag. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.800 I like just a summer weight bag. But they don't 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.880 charge any money for those anyways, So I don't think 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.440 you need that synthetic summer weight bag. I feel like 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.840 you can just rock your fifteen or twenty degree bag, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.600 but open I use that the summer. That's what use 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:37.360 running like a blanket. I've done that. Um. So meanwhile, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.880 while you were out there, were did you got the dates? 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.480 Were you hunting? Were you hunting white tails at the 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:49.160 same time when I was in uh, say that seventh No, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.440 I went in the Okay, So that's when I ended 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.680 my hunt. Yeah, I hunt it from the first through 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.440 the tenth. No, Snow, I was down weight on the 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.800 valley the other side of stay. It's funny these two 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960 things that mark Canyon's deal and your deal would be 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.040 in the same state because you're like hunting big horns 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.920 at eleven thousand feet marks out in the bad lands 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:19.520 ish bad lands, that sort of appearance. It's hot and 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.240 low chasing white tails and what was going on? What 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.159 was your deal? Well? I was hunting Montana first, and 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.840 then if I could fill in Montana tag, I was 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.800 gonna go over to North Dakota and try to fill 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.240 at TAG over there. So you just got like little 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.760 little spots, little spots public land. How many states do 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:42.840 you have little white tail spots in? Oh? Jeez, um, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.840 five or six seven? Something like that. I mean usually 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:53.680 hunt like Michigan, Ohio, and either Indiana or Illinois or Nebraska. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.600 I one of those states, like usually those three states 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.760 like every year some cycle there and then I've been 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.480 adding in like a western state every year and then 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.840 western one. But I've you know, love Montanas. I've been 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.800 hitting that the last three years. Do you go out 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.119 and hunt white tails in Wyoming? No, but I want to. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.880 I've I've looked at it. I have some ideas where 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.480 to go. You don't hunt any white You don't hunt 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:16.800 any public land in Michigan. Day do southern Michigan, southern 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.560 and northern. Yeah, I've got some southern land stuff that 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.920 I hit like on days when the conditions aren't great 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.280 to go into my really good areas that you know, 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.000 I'm trying to wait for the right time to hit 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.920 that stuff. But I still on a hunt. There's a 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.639 couple of pieces of public land that I kind of 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.160 dive in and try like aggressive tactics that I wouldn't 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.760 normally try. What kind of public land I'm even what 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.760 county stuffy Um. We used to hunt some public land 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.000 in Michigan that wasn't even really that public. It was 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.840 like it was a property owned by a township. So 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.040 nothing you're looking at is ever gonna say like, hey 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.439 go here, if you know, like if you go to 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.879 a state website and you're like, here's places it's not 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.360 gonna name. It was a township where someone had at 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.320 one point. I don't understand how this works. Someone at 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.880 one point in time came in and they like surveyed 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.840 the whole thing. We're gonna break it up into lots. 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.119 And this is on a lake, they're gonna break it 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.560 up into lots. I don't know how it happened, but 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.399 it fell back into the township's hands and we hunted 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.840 waterfowl on it, trapped snap turtles on it, shot a 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.760 lot of ducks off it. There were deer on it, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.560 hunted squirrels on it. Public land but kind of like 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.159 no one locals treated it publicly, but it was not 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:31.159 like a destination public land. ONYX opening up, open up 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:32.800 everyone's eyes to that kind of stuff, right, Yeah, but 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.360 it doesn't interpret it for you though you might look 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.680 and be like, that's township. We went down and asked 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.560 the township, like the township had a commissioner, and we 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.800 went down there and said what is up with this? 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.520 And he, guys said, I can't tell you not to 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.280 go on it. I can't tell you to go on it. 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:49.520 I can't really tell you not to go on it, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.400 and we took that to be go ahead. We took 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.760 that to be the welcome invite. Yeah, that's reasonable. So 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.560 you you chase him on county land and some state 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.400 land up north. We've got my little family deer campus, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.520 a little forty acre piece, but it's surrounded by state forest. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.160 So I grew up hunting that state forest, just roaming 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.560 around swamps, and that was this huge willderness to me 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.280 as a kid. But you haven't gotten that Michigan yet 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.679 this year. No, it hasn't opened up yet. October they 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.479 still round the October one opener they do. That's just 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.520 a few days away. I'm excited. I've been looking at cameras. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.640 You're heading out there now, Yeah, after this and getting 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.520 the truck and drive twenty four hours back home and 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.760 uh three days from now or four days from now, 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.880 get after those white tails at home. Um? And what happened? 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.400 How did you? I mean, I know how your Montana 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.919 deal went down, but explain the whole, like what your 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.919 situation was. Um. So this was a piece of public 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.840 land the east side of Montana. Um. Basically, what I 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.359 look for when I'm finding these spots is is public 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.480 land that is either adjacent to or intersects with a 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.080 rip with a river corridor. So looking for those riparian 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.480 areas where there's that great cover and food that these 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.600 white tails need in these air areas. And what's kind 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.880 of cool about Western white tail hunting versus at home 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.360 is at home, the white tail habitat is spread out 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.320 over everywhere. These deer are all over the place. In 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.840 my Tanner, Wyoming or Colorado or the Dakota's it's it's 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.159 kind of crammed down into the smaller corridors. So you're 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:23.920 kind of amazing. I noticed that in my house. I 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.440 mean there's like a distinct line where it's like below 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.800 that line, that's where the white tails live, and above 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:30.960 that line is where the mule deers. When I'm sitting 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.320 in my new house, we've got white tails zigzagging across 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.439 our yard. And last night we with the spot and 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:41.240 scope we glassed up too like impressive mule deer box 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.080 up above our house. You got anyone white tail hunting 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.240 your backyard, get wouldn't go over, would go over. I've 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.040 a saw our car about hunting one this morning. Man 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:56.480 about our car about tagged out. Yeah, it'll happen. Um. 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.840 But yeah, So over the years I've found a handful 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.000 of different little spots like this, And this is a 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.159 spot that i'd gone and scouted and shed hunt in 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.679