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Speaker 1: But it had a ring to it. But it was

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Speaker 1: he was referring more to the eating of the of

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Speaker 1: your trick of your hot tip of just instead of

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Speaker 1: putting boiling water into freeze dry food envelopes, you just

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Speaker 1: were you employing that strategy on your I did a

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Speaker 1: or it was almost crazing way it was it was snowing,

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Speaker 1: So that can create its own problems too. I brought

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Speaker 1: more fuel. Surprisingly enough, after our conversations, I got to

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Speaker 1: on several things. The first thing is is that I

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Speaker 1: loving it, yeah something, I liked it, and then I

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Speaker 1: that's the where it goes. I haven't brought I didn't

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't have used them on our sheep punt. There's

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Speaker 1: feel like the sun is so low. It's not like

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Speaker 1: It seems like almost like a cloudy day, yeah, type

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Speaker 1: of it's never that just you know, bearing down on you.

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Speaker 1: But you went out. Uh so, what tell us what happens?

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Speaker 1: We'd like talked about the prelude this is this is

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Speaker 1: Kurt doing the impossible hunt. Yeah, so, um explain the

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Speaker 1: impot I like to call it the impossible hunt. I've

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Speaker 1: never done it. Yeah, well, uh so we've talked about

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Speaker 1: it before. There are five districts in the state of

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Speaker 1: Montana that are they call them the Unlimited Sheep Hunts,

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Speaker 1: and they're unlimited in the sense that anybody can purchase

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Speaker 1: of the units has a quota typically right around two

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Speaker 1: being you know, five year old ram. It's a checked

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Speaker 1: their eggs, but kind of a four and five eighths

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Speaker 1: or uh what would I say, little under three quarter

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Speaker 1: And that's really kind of the h I hunted at

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Speaker 1: four years and killed one, killed one. Yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: I should clarify it. I will have hunted at four

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Speaker 1: three years so far, because if you get one, you

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Speaker 1: have to take seven years. I'll take seven years off. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you just finished your seven year hiatus and went

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Speaker 1: this year went, didn't see a single hold on. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand this was your fourth season or not. No,

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Speaker 1: next year will be my fourth season. I said, like,

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Speaker 1: how many times are you going to You did it once? Yep,

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Speaker 1: you did the underlimited unit once, saw sheep or didn't

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Speaker 1: grizzly bear, black bear, goats, a couple of meals there

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Speaker 1: just one. Yeah, way off for up in your business. No,

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Speaker 1: he was. He was just right across the canyon, right

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Speaker 1: What was the black beard doing? He was running away

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Speaker 1: I did not, not where I was. But when I

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Speaker 1: so I didn't. Oh huh, nobody was around horse camp.

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen him that far and it's too rough a

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Speaker 1: probably three or four hours, and then I'd try to

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Speaker 1: well it's cold and you can't keep your glass still. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're not. So do you feel that they

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Speaker 1: were in your Did you just hunt one canyon? No?

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Speaker 1: I hunted. I I had a I had a plan

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Speaker 1: two because there's some stuff you can't glass in the

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Speaker 1: you just can't pick it apart like you need to.

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Speaker 1: Or or the wind. You know, it's hard to be

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Speaker 1: constant wind coming through in the morning. Seeing nice beds

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Speaker 1: and nice sheep ship and everything. Uh No, there isn't

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Speaker 1: a lot up And that's that's kind of the differences.

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Speaker 1: I was glassing from a spot that really isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: hold sheep. You know, you're area where you're sitting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: but that's it. Yeah, trying to find goodvantage. You should

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Speaker 1: have been with us, man, we saw a dandy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: real dandy. Different state. Yeah, if you have ferment in

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Speaker 1: southeast Washington. Yeah, a lot of beds, a lot of tracks,

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Speaker 1: unlimited hunt. Everyone's going and they're chasing them and there's

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Speaker 1: just success. Yeah. For example, the United I hunted this year.

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Speaker 1: They didn't ever take a ram out of last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two and half season. Yeah, this isn't the units where

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Speaker 1: they're trying to wipe them out right. No. That yeah,

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Speaker 1: was like a pneumonia thing. That was a pneumonia thing,

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Speaker 1: you know that they decided to, you know, turn over

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Speaker 1: and ask the hunters to help with the management of it.

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Speaker 1: Can you I have seventeen big horn points? Can I

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Speaker 1: do the unlimited hunt without using my event teen points?

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Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I'm not sure I believe

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Speaker 1: you can, because man, I want to go. I know

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Speaker 1: at some point you'd lose them though, so I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you could put in or if you could,

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Speaker 1: that would be something you'd have to check in their eggs.

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Speaker 1: What I needed to happen is you to get one

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Speaker 1: and then you'd want to go and just mess around

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Speaker 1: in your seven year period, and I would go with

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Speaker 1: you after I draw my regular one. See that's that's

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Speaker 1: of curious about it, man. Yeah, um, okay, So not

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Speaker 1: Were you regretting? Were you liking it? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was perfect. It was. I mean it was. It

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Speaker 1: was a great hunt. Yeah. The only thing is that

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't long enough. Yes, snowed on me one

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Speaker 1: but more people are testing the waters with that, and

425
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: it's intriguing to me. I've been seeing more folks chase

426
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: white tails on the ground and showing that, you know,

427
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible with a bow. UM. So it's something

428
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm thinking about experimenting a little bit more with.

429
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: I've been trying a lot of new things that I'm

430
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: going to be doing a bunch of new things this year.

431
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: As far as that kind of stuff, using some different

432
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: um gear to get in the tree, we can talk

433
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 1: about that later. But instead of tree stands, I've been

434
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: shifting to a tree saddle, UM, which has been something

435
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: really interesting. UM that helps a lot with the public

436
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: clan kind of stuff I do. UM. So, yeah, so

437
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: you came out and shed hunted this spot as a

438
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: scouting measure, Ye, walked it, found antlers, you know, confirmed

439
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: what I thought from maps and from previous times. Kind

440
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: of walk around the area and um, what I really

441
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: like to find is, like I said, this public land

442
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: that's intersects with that right parent area. But if it's

443
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: particularly hard to get to in one way or another,

444
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: that's of course something that is is a benefit to

445
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: any public land hunter. Right. You guys talked about that

446
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: one elk and mule deer. Same thing with white tails.

447
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: It's just that the bar for being hard to get

448
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: to as much lower for a white tail hunters. So

449
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: a mile mile and a half walk is like most

450
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: white tail guys just won't do that. I'm not saying

451
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: that they won't, but just typically doesn't happen, and it

452
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: winds up being like because in that type of honey too,

453
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys that are going out

454
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: after we're going out in the morning. You just kind

455
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: of want to get up and right. Yes, not exhibition style.

456
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: It could be counterproductive because it's like they don't care. Yeah,

457
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: the white tails aren't necessarily living five miles away from so.

458
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: So the two spots that I in particular was interested

459
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: in getting after on this trip, one of them. You

460
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: had a piece of public land that was from the

461
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: road to a river, and then that piece of public

462
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: land that was not very productive. It was grazed over,

463
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: no cover. UM didn't see that the deer used it

464
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: much except for yeah and sheep um. I didn't think

465
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: that they were using that except for not big horns.

466
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: These are like the basheep um fields, the through field

467
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: rats and uh, they weren't using this area in daily

468
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: maybe crossing it at night, but it wasn't gonna be

469
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: spoted one to hunt. But there was a piece of

470
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: landlocked public land back behind some private land that you

471
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: could get to if you walk that river. So we

472
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: talked about this the other day. But the basic gist

473
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: of this situation was I I assumed that with the

474
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: stream Acxis laws in Montana, you could walk that river

475
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: to get in that private land or to start to

476
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: get past the private land and hunt the public land.

477
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: After talking to some people hearing some different ideas on this,

478
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: it sounds like there were some gray areas around that

479
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: whether or not I can legally use the public waterway

480
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: to get to the public land. So I had gotten

481
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: permission from this private landowner whose land was around the

482
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: public in the spring to shed hunt it and scott it.

483
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: Never thing coming into the hunting season. I called him

484
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: again a week ahead of time, just to confirm. Hayese,

485
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: it's still okay that I walked the river to get

486
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: to this public land. It's tucked behind yours. He expressed.

487
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: You know that, No, not, do not. And you're not

488
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: saying I want to hunt your place. You're saying him,

489
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting your place. I'm passing through exactly and

490
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: not and I'm not even gonna be on your ground.

491
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm literally gonna walk the I'm gonna walk in the river.

492
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna way to the river below the below the banks. No, dear,

493
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna hear me, see me, smell me. I'm not gonna

494
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: mess up anyone else's hunting. It's gonna walk the river,

495
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: step up into the public land. Any beaver signing that river, Um,

496
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: you know not much. Surprisingly, Um, I didn't see anything

497
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: like that. Do you ever killed white tailed deer? Kurt Hey, Yeah, yeah,

498
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: I have when I was living over in the western

499
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: part of the state. You know, I grew up. What

500
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: have you done that out there on the western set

501
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: of state? But I want central man, we go up

502
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: by my sister in law's place. It's like nasty, thick,

503
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: but people in rattle in, people rattle in big giants

504
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: over there. Well, my trip next year. I want to

505
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: next year to a backpacking white tail hunt in like

506
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: northern northwestern Montana and northern Idaho. Backpack into some of

507
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. So happily going. I can know some let's

508
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: do it. Got some hot tips beats. I think that

509
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: would be really cool, O cay so go on, no

510
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: beaver sign a white tail. I got permission the spring,

511
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: but in the fall when I called back, it was like,

512
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: probably not. I've got family that's gonna be hunting his property.

513
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: So that kind of threw me. For your tails tails

514
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: hunt white tiss Yes, they have a like a grandson

515
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: or son in law or something like that. Who does

516
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: la ton white tails? Um? And what's your wired to hunt? Fan?

517
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't go that far. Um. But

518
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: what's cool? What's what's what makes this piece of public great?

519
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: I already mentioned the first in the repairent area number two.

520
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to get too because to get to it

521
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: you have to do this long hiked in the first piece,

522
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: and then you have to take a half mile down

523
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: this river. The third thing that's great about it is

524
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: that on the private land is food. The best food

525
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: source all around these big alf alfa fields, so you've

526
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: got irrigated lflf irrigate alf alfa fields. So tons of

527
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: deer coming in defeat on that private land, and this

528
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: public land is really nicely tucked right behind that basically,

529
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: and they're bedding up. And what they're bedding in like

530
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: Russian olive bushes and some intermittent cottonwood groves. You know,

531
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: have you seen this down there, because I've seen this

532
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: in that part of the state where they're actually going

533
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: up into the canyons. Quite a waste to bed see.

534
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I didn't see that in this area, but I was

535
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: pretty far from the canyon walls. Like the area I

536
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: was hunting. It was. It was wide enough at that

537
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: those areas were the sandstone bloffs come down and actually

538
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: form like like classic like rock wall. Yeah, because we've

539
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: been in hunting mule deer and sad at night and

540
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: watched white tails come out of the juniper and ponderosa

541
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and there's these little like can they got the bottoms

542
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: got green ash and come out at night and just

543
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: do these long tracks down into hit that riparian stuff

544
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: and then come up through the stage brush and ship

545
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: and filter up into these little canyons to go to

546
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: bed at night. They're incredibly adaptable animals. It is amazing

547
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: the different types of areas they can make work. Um.

548
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: In this area, there was so much concentrated cover right

549
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: there along the river that they were just packed in there. Um.

550
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: So this public was kind of really nicely settled right

551
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: behind the food, kind of in the midst of the betting,

552
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: but a bit of a transition from the best betting

553
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: to the food. So long story short and all this

554
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: is that I ended up being worried that I wasn't

555
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: gonna have any more premission permission. So I was looking

556
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: at the maps trying to find a few other spots.

557
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: But when I showed up, I went and talked to

558
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: the landowner, had a really nice conversation with him and

559
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: his wife, and um, this is you know, it's okay,

560
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: our family isn't going to be now here for another

561
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: week or two. Greece and some palms. Uh No, I

562
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: was just no, no grease and palms, just having a

563
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: nice friendly chat. And it's a nice boy. Nice wholesome boy.

564
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Nice wholesome. Yeah, really you got manipulative. No, it just

565
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: came up in conversation. I'm not going to hold that back.

566
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: He really wanted to home. Starving doctor says, you can't

567
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: ain't even dear meat. I don't know how I did it,

568
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: but somewhere or another I did get permission, um and yeah.

569
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: And I was really excited about that because I had

570
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: all those things going for it, and then he didn't

571
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: have to be looking over your shoulder like we're talking.

572
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that. I didn't want to

573
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: do anything. Gray means when I was a younger man,

574
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Gray ment go now gray means man. I don't know. Yeah,

575
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: it's not I just hate that feeling. Not worth it.

576
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I hate the feeling. Yeah, agree. So it was great

577
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: to get that green light. Feel really good about that.

578
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: So I was just camped off the road my truck,

579
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: sleep in the back of my truck, camping there, and

580
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: then every day would go on and hunt these deer.

581
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: And the fourth thing was so good about this area

582
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: was that that river allould you almost perfect access and

583
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: exit without notifying deer that there was a human hunter

584
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: in there at all. Because I could get into that river.

585
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I was like four ft below the bank banks. So

586
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: I would walk that riverbed leaving no scent because I'm

587
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: in the water almost the whole time. Yeah, I know that.

588
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: And um, and then basically I'm able to hop right

589
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: up on shore and get up in a tree. So

590
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: you were waiters hip waiters I bought. I bought. I

591
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: was stupid. I bought like fifteen dollar packable waiters wigs.

592
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Uh no other hots man, Yeah, I guess. So, I

593
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: don't know for that long hike, I don't know if

594
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: they would have put in your pocket. You know what

595
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: those are the ones without the feet, the one for

596
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the plastic boots. But that also the same because then yeah,

597
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: that probably lets the last long time. Yeah, they last

598
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: for a long time. But we're talking about is um

599
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: have we talked Have we covered this for? We must

600
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: have talked about it in our dull sheet hunt, but yeah,

601
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: explain them. It's uh, it's basically it looks like an

602
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: oversized sock that comes all the way up to your crotch.

603
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Um almost, it's just got at the top end of it.

604
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: It's got a little clip that goes around your belt

605
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: and the bottom has just a very thin, rudimentary sort

606
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: of soul. But they're big and bagging off that you

607
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: can just slip them right over your boots. So every

608
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: time you get to a stream crossing, you just pull

609
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: them out of your pack. We were crossing the stream

610
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: so much we were we were just hanging them off

611
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: our shoulders strap and we get there to throw them on.

612
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Take five or ten steps to get across the stream,

613
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and then you know, take them off and put them

614
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: back on. Yeah, and they roll up like way smaller

615
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: than a nerve football. Yeah, there's probably a pound pound

616
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: and a half. What's the fabric or what what? What's

617
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: it made of? It's a seventy D nylon, I think

618
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: some of the yeah, I know there's a flow. Uh.

619
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes they use it to to tin nine long. Some

620
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: of them are seventy depends on which ones you get.

621
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: And then um, I believe they use it's a it's

622
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: a full euro thing. Coding is what they create the

623
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: so it's reasonably strong. Yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't want to

624
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: bush flag through a bunch of beaver shoot sticks with him,

625
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: that's for sure. The guy we bought him from said,

626
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: if you just leave them on and just start in,

627
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: hike up the you know stream bed, crossing the stream,

628
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: and then hike on dry rocks for a while. You're

629
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna put holes in them quick. So I got something

630
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: kind of like that, but it must be the much

631
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: less quality version of that. It's fifteen dollars on Amazon. Basically,

632
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: it was like an oversight garbage bag that I split

633
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: up both my legs. I've done that too, Contractor bags, Well, yeah,

634
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of essentially, that's what it was. You can get

635
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of miles out of across the creeks on

636
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Contractor bags, probably more than I got out of these.

637
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: It was that it was that deep though. Huh you

638
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: needed it up to your hip, Yeah, there are spots

639
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: were up to your hips, and I ripped at the

640
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: very first crossing hip a big old hole in it.

641
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: So then the rest of that night I had to

642
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: just wade through it and filling it with water. I

643
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: was like, wow, Okay, So I got soaked that first night,

644
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: had to drive an hour and a half to the

645
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: nearest town. The next day. I bought hip waiters. Oh

646
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: then you bought hip waiters. Yeah, good hip waiters, like

647
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: those irrigator ones you know. Uh, you climb about a creek. No,

648
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: no smell ye all nice and dry, All nice and

649
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: dry your sign and uh flip up into your spot.

650
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: Are you carrying a tree stand around in your back? Yeah?

651
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: So that's usually. I've got a tree stand and climbing

652
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: sticks that I bring with me, which are basically like

653
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: a big metal stick that's got three steps on it.

654
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: You strapped out to the tree, climb up, strapped another

655
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: one to the tree climb up. But this year, like

656
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: I said, instead of the tree stand, I've got this saddle,

657
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a rock climber's harness or

658
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: like arborust harness um. And then so I attached these

659
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: sticks to the tree so and climb up to or whatever.

660
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: And then I attached a rope of the PRUSI knot

661
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: on the end of it that basically allows me adjust

662
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: the height of this clip. Suicide prussick or double prussick

663
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: wraps on top and two raps on bottom. I don't know.

664
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Pre tid I didn't pay too much, as we had

665
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: a big conversation about this the r day when I

666
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: used to do ir risk work, Like when you tie

667
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: a prusick. If you look at us, got like four

668
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: wraps two raps above and two raps below tree climb.

669
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: When I used to do like tree climbing work, you

670
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: would just do two below and one above and you

671
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: can control with your thumb, like the slightest amount of

672
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: thumb pressure would open the knot and you just like

673
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: fast like you're supposed to two wraps. Then you got,

674
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: like forcibly pull the rope through the knot. But the

675
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: guy worked for would call a suicide knot. He didn't

676
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: like it, but it was just really nice because just

677
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: like a little flick your thumb, that knot would open

678
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: up and you're you know, this would have been definitely

679
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: been two on top to them. I only bring this

680
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: up if we're just discussed this year because the same

681
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: knot is great for tightening tent. Yeah guidelines, Yeah, I

682
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: can see that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So basically you've

683
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: got just clip into this thing and then you are

684
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: your knees up against the tree and then you're just

685
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: kind of hanging sitting not not just like legs fall

686
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: asleep and stuff up there. You've got a you've got

687
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: a platform that your feet can set on. So there's

688
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: a couple different options people do. Some people just keep

689
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: their they have their climbing stick pegs there at at

690
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: the foot level, or they'll put in a handful of

691
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: other steps around the tree, or you can attach a

692
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: small platform. So what I was using is you're you're

693
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: basically a tree stand, a cast aluminum I think tree

694
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: stand type platform, but a tiny miniature version of that.

695
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: So instead of like a thirty inch long tree stand platform,

696
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: this is like eight inches by ten inches, is a

697
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: little tiny thing that you can attach to the tree

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: that just gives you some keep your feet and it

699
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: gives you like a pivot point to allow you then

700
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: to pivot in different directions around the tree. So I

701
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: could shoot almost three hundred six degrees anywhere around this tree,

702
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: spinning around, leaning left, leaning right, um, all the time.

703
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: You had to practice a lot out of this thing. Off.

704
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: I did practice a little bit, yeah, but it was

705
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: it was much more intuitive and comfortable than I had

706
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: even expected. And so instead of going in there with

707
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, let's say a ten or twelve pound pack

708
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: of sticks and then a twelve pound or thirteen pound

709
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: tree stand, plus my camera gear, plus my backpack, plus

710
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: my bow range finder, all that other stuff, instead of that,

711
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: I maybe cut like thirteen pounds right at the gate

712
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: without carrying that tree standing. Um. So it's much lighter

713
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: weight hiking in, much less work getting set up in

714
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: the tree and um comfortable. And so that first night

715
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: was the first time I'd ever hunted in It was

716
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: that first night of the season in Montana, and snuck

717
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: in there, got up into a tree, and it was

718
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: in this spot where I thought, based off what I

719
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: had seen in the past, you know, walking around and

720
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: seeing this area, these deer were in a transition from

721
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: that Russian alfe type brush were they're bedded through this small,

722
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: a little open cottonwoody grove towards the private land where

723
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: that food was behind me. And that's what happened, basically.

724
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: I was, you know, while I was getting set up

725
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: in the tree, I had two small year and half

726
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: a bucks come by, and then the course of the night,

727
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: just deer after deer after deer flooding out of there.

728
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Squirrels like that Russian olivet to eat it, I believe it.

729
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Did you see fox squirrels in there? Yeah, I mean

730
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it's not a little bit. I'm sure. I'm sure I

731
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: saw squirrels. I don't know if I paid enough tension

732
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: to say what they were. But if I'm not a

733
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: squirrel guy, Like I'm not a skunk guy, but if

734
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: I see a skunk, I'm like, I register it. There's

735
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: so many white tails in there, register and squirrel. You know,

736
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: it's a non native plant. It's a real dell interious.

737
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: But I have heard about that. It was brought in

738
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: like the Depression era, wasn't it. It's fast growing, can

739
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: make wind rolls out of that. I think that was what.

740
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's displacing native trees. Yeah, and

741
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's like a it's all over the

742
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: place out there on squirrels. Like. But the deer I

743
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: love it too. Um. And I saw a lot of

744
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: deer and eventually, uh at one almost in the same

745
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: couple of minutes on mature buck. Group of five bucks

746
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: came by on one side of me, including one mature

747
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: buck that I would have would have tried to take,

748
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: and then behind me another mature buck, both of about

749
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: eight yards on either side of me. No one out

750
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: there hunting, nobody else out there hunting, um, my little playground,

751
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: and they look all summary yeah, because I mean most

752
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: of them are still in velvet, still have their summer coat,

753
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of orangey coat. Beautiful. I mean, it's neat to

754
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: be out there in the woods at that point when

755
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: you're seeing deer look makes as look really because next

756
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: or thin. They don't have any puffy hair out and

757
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: looks strange. Their faces look kind of emaciated. Yeah, and

758
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: I know they're fat and happy. And at that time

759
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: you're so so fun because these deer are on such

760
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: a consistent pattern. You know, they're they're going to bed

761
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: and go to feed. They're gonna bed, They're gonna go

762
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: to feed. That's basically all they do. Because they're not

763
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: playing grabbit, they're not playing grab bass. They are very

764
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: comfortable because they haven't been hunted yet at the very

765
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, so you can really see these

766
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: dear acting very naturally, going about their everyday life. And

767
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: that's just fun. From a dear enthusiastic I just love

768
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: watching these critters getting to be in that kind of

769
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: situation and seeing dear do dear things, you know, rather

770
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: than back home in Michigan. And by the time you

771
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: get too laid October, these are deer that feel like

772
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of a war. Zone. Um, that

773
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: are hardly moving daylight at all, and you're not gonna

774
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: see mature bucks hardly at all or anything like that.

775
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: They're all nocturnal out here. I'm seeing four and five

776
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: and six year old bucks happily hanging out, playing with

777
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: each other, sparring, doing different things. That's just neat. Um.

778
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: So I was enjoying it from that perspective. You're painting

779
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: a compelling picture. It's not that great. You should not

780
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: come out, um. But yeah, the basically just to that

781
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: first night was that I saw, um a couple of

782
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: nice bucks that I would have gotten a shot at

783
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: if I could have been close up, but they're out

784
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: of range. Um. So I snuck out that night after

785
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: everything had passed through and had a game plan for

786
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: the next day. And the issue though, was that the

787
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: next day I had a wind direction that would have

788
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: been blowing into that betting area, and I knew, like,

789
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: this spot is so good if I go, I want

790
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: to go back in the right away. Right I've seen

791
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: all these bucks. I knew if I moved my my

792
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: not my stand. But I moved where I was hunting,

793
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: like sixty yards farther north to where most of those

794
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: deer came by. I thought I'd be able to get

795
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: a shot. I was pretty confident. Well, if the wind

796
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: was good, I could move sixty yards up there. But

797
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: win wasn't good. That takes restraint, man, It takes restraint

798
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: to bag it because the wind's bad. Yeah, and it was. Yeah,

799
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: it was tough. Like I so badly wanted to go

800
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: back in there, had seen so many deers like this

801
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: is such a honey hole. But I just knew if

802
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: you wait till the conditions are right, you will kill

803
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: it deer there. If you go back in there tomorrow

804
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: and just hope to get lucky, you're you're gonna mess

805
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: it up. So I said, nope, I'm not going to

806
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: go to the honey hoole. There was one of the

807
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: piece of public I've seen on the maps that looked

808
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: pretty good, and I hadn't been to ever before. I thought, well,

809
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this other spot of rest. Wait till

810
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: the winds right, I'm gonna go check out this new spot.

811
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: And this new spot kind of had all the same

812
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: things going forward. The nine number one spot did um.

813
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: It was along the right pairing corridor, it was hard

814
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to get to, and it was tucked behind private land

815
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: the head food on it. But what made this one

816
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: hard to get to versus the first was that rather

817
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: than walking a river, I had to walk more than

818
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: a mile up on top of this big bluff and

819
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: then go down one of those steep, nasty canyons like

820
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: you were talking about. Like basically sliding down this canyon.

821
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: I had to bring tent poles because I didn't have

822
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: truck and sticks or anything. So I had like like

823
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: a tarp pole. Yeah, so it was not ideal, but

824
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: it was all I had. And I said, well, I

825
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: need something to give me some kind of support as

826
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm sliding down this So got down in this sound

827
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: so bad you needed to repel it. That's a beat

828
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: of repellent. But that's next year. Um. But got down

829
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: in this canyon, got in this little piece of public

830
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: land again, and same kind of deal. They were dear

831
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: betted back in public russianale of cotton wood brush and

832
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: they would transition through this little piece of public out

833
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: towards that private land with the alfalfa. Um. But again

834
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: it wasn't right close enough. So I did see another

835
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: mature buck that I would have shot at if I

836
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: could have but he was about hundred and twenty yards away,

837
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of doughs, some little bucks. Um, not quite

838
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: as much action as the first night, but again it

839
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: was I felt good like I've got a second. I've

840
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: got a second big huge giant buck. Uh, not a

841
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: big huge giant like m I'd say similar in that,

842
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: like definitely you know, three or four or five year

843
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: old somewhere in that. He was probably four or five

844
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: years old. And um, he's a ten pointer, kind of

845
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: tight and tall, like one thirties somewhere around maybe one

846
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: if if we care about score at all. Yeah, I

847
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: mean it was a buck. Yeah, Um, so it's cool

848
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: to see that too far away. So then I waited

849
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: until they all went through way till after dark to

850
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: everything and transitioned off to those have a fields. Snuck

851
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: out there again. Now I know I've got two different

852
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: spots I can work with, so depending on wind direction,

853
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: whatever other conditions might change, I can adjust. Now you're

854
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: hunting by yourself, yep, this car camping by yourself. Just

855
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: car camping. Sleep in the bed of the truck, make

856
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: a little hot dog on the girl at night, drink

857
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: a beer, pass out. Don't you wish you had a

858
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: story like this, Kurt, that sounds nice, and all these

859
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: rams some more rams, and yeah, it's a different I

860
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: couldn't decide which ram I wanted to go after. You know, Um,

861
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: we could go on for a while with the juxtapositions here.

862
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same state, very very different experiences that happened.

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: So next day the wind wasn't right for the first area.

864
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: So now I'm going back to the honey hole. Honey

865
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: hoole number one, Go back honey hole number one. And

866
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: I now have learned something since the first night. I

867
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: know that the majority of these deer weren't traveling through

868
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: the middle of this kind of transition. The majority of

869
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: them were working this edge along the northern spot. So

870
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: I snuck back in there, this time with the better

871
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: waiters because I had to go town and get the

872
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: good waiters, and knowing that I want to go set

873
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: up in a new tree, snuck in there, got in

874
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: there pretty early, hanging your tree in the cotton, hanging

875
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: your slinging the cotton wood, cottonwood, and um, got set

876
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: up the same kind of deal as the first night.

877
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: It's very These deer were moving pretty early in the day.

878
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: They were very comfortable. Yeah. The video, the video you

879
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: have of your shooting the bucket shot, it looks like

880
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: it looks like a hundred degrees out the middle of

881
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the damn day. Yeah. So I'm not gonna talk about

882
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: day four. We're still on day three. But jumping ahead

883
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: each day was warm. I'm saying, it looks like it

884
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: looks like daytime. All this activity was happening daytime, pretty warm.

885
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: And again it comes down to these are comfortable, not

886
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: very hunted deer, and I was I was kind of

887
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: secretly able to get pretty far back in their movement pattern, right,

888
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: So these deer were moving past me real alatively early

889
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: in the day because they still had another couple hundred

890
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: yards to get to the wide open field where they're

891
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna feed. Um. So most of mine, it was getting

892
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: dark eight thirty or something like that maybe or eight

893
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: fifty at night. It was getting dark, and these deer

894
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: were coming. The majority of the action I was seeing

895
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: was between like five forty five and sixty five, So

896
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: several hours before dark they were passing by me and

897
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: then making their way out to these fields. So that

898
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: night got in there, here comes the deer started seeing

899
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: some young bucks. Some does but I was a little

900
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: worried because the first group of deer of seeing they

901
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: actually cut in. They were heading right towards me, but

902
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: then about sixty yards before they got to where I

903
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: was going to be, they cut into this Russian aale

904
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: of stuff and kind of skirted inside away from me,

905
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: just out of range and this thick stuff, and I'm thinking,

906
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: O my head and my head, I'm like, gosh, is

907
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: that what those deer did the night before? And my

908
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: memory was just wrong? Did I set up thirty yards

909
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: away from like the perfect spot? And I'm gonna have

910
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: another night here frustrated seeing all these deer go just

911
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: out of range. Out for the last first half hour,

912
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: sitting there kicking myself and thinking, should I just pull

913
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: everything down and move thirty yards? Um? But there's already

914
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: deer moving all over the place. I decided to stick

915
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: it out, and I'm glad I did because around six

916
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: fifteen or something on those lines, I'm looking over my

917
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: left shoulder trying to see if there's anything behind me,

918
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: and when I turned back, there's a big giant buck

919
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards right in front of me in my

920
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: main shooting lane. Right there. Um came no I was

921
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: looking this way and then turn around he's there looking

922
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: at No, just kind of waltzon through and this is

923
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: like full velvet, big, like a tall time kind of

924
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: curling in great, big, giant templar um beautiful deer. And

925
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: it was situally instantly knew, oh yeah, that's that's a

926
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: buck I'd like to get a shot at. Um. The

927
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: issue was that you know he what he must have

928
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: done is he must have come out of that russianalef

929
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: and there was one big bush in front of me

930
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: about twenty yards and if that deer came from the

931
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: left right of that tree, of that bush, I would

932
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: have seen him. But if he came in on that

933
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: direct line where the bushes in between, would never know

934
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: till he was right there. That must be what happened.

935
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: So I see him there two other nice bucks come

936
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: behind him, so it's a batchel a group of these

937
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: three bucks. He's right there like he'd be the ideal shot.

938
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Like when I planned and saw out when I sat

939
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: in that tree, was like, this is where I want

940
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: to get a shot at. Well, that's where he was

941
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: right now. But he was there before I was holding

942
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: my bow, before anything. So I see him register. Okay,

943
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: that's that's a buck I want to get a shot at.

944
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: And at the same time I try to grab my bow,

945
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: spin into position and turn my camera on and swinging

946
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: the camera to get film of him where, yeah, where,

947
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: And of course that was I was not able to

948
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: do that fast enough before he got behind some branches

949
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get a shot. I was like trying

950
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: to weasel my way. Can I spin around a little

951
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: more and like slip it through some branches, But I

952
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: knew that I wasn't gonna risk some kind of spook shop.

953
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: He didn't spook. He walked right in and was just

954
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: kind of like I think, if I remember, he could

955
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: started coming straight at me. These other two bucks with

956
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: him did come directly to my tree stand or my tree.

957
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: My steps were like sniffing around underneath there um and

958
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: eventually one of them caught windn't of something that they

959
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: didn't quite like, and one of them bolted. They didn't blow,

960
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: they didn't really freak out, but the one bolted, and

961
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: that caused the other two to kind of bounce off

962
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: and they stopped. He kind of looked around and then

963
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: just walked away, but no shot opportunity. That was frustrating.

964
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: You know, I had a great public lam buck there

965
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: in range close encounter. Couldn't make it happen. Um, But

966
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. And then the salt in the

967
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: wound at the end of the night was that the

968
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: mature buck that I had seen walked by this spot

969
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: the first night, the reason why I had moved to

970
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: this new area. He goes walking by where I sat

971
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the first night at the end of the evening, So

972
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: again i'd seen two different nice shooter bucks. Um. That

973
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: was day three. Any questions on day three? No, all right,

974
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: Day four. I appreciate you guys hearing out my whole

975
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: long white tail stories. Not nearly as adventurous as Kurt's

976
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: big mountain trip, but there's more exciting in the show notes.

977
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna post all these GPS way points. So day four,

978
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: a cold front hits. So it's going from like eighty

979
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: and ninety I think that day the day three is

980
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: like nineties, and now cold front was hitting overnight. It

981
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: was gonna drop twenty to thirty degrees. So the next day,

982
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: day four, is going to be a high of I

983
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: think in the sixties. So I knew this front's passing.

984
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: This is going to get the deer moving even earlier.

985
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I believed there's it's been great action already, but this

986
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: should ramp it up even more. Cold frinds are one

987
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: of those things that more consistently than any other factor

988
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: will get white till on their feet and moving. So

989
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: you guys, because they get cold. I don't think it's

990
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: because they get cold. I think it's um probably because

991
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: there's some kind of biological drive like you gotta start

992
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: packing on the food, just trigger or something like that. Um, So,

993
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, I figured they'd be moving earlier.

994
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: So I had been, like I mentioned, seeing mostly activity

995
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: like five or sixty five somewhere around there. So I've

996
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: been getting into the tree at like five On this day,

997
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I should get in there at least

998
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: an hour and a half earlier than that, just in case.

999
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: So that's like six hours before dark. Kind of ridiculous

1000
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: for early season white tail hunting. You never see that

1001
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: kind of activity early in the day. But it's been great.

1002
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I better make sure I'm covering my butt so sneak

1003
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: in there. Get to that tree at three thirty in

1004
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I'm up in the tree at three thirty five,

1005
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: settled my cameras, set my bows. I'm comfortable. I grab

1006
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: a bottle of water because it's you know, it's still

1007
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: a good hike, and there was like a mile and

1008
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: a half hike. Play nuts in here. Yeah, still in

1009
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: those squirrels. Though I can't I can't say one way

1010
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: or another. Confidence don't like I would think, see Dirk

1011
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: can talk. At least you know what kind of tree

1012
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: you were sitting in. Pat Dirkin talked about white tail

1013
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: guys get so focused on one thing, white tails, that

1014
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: they that they that they have blinders to the rest

1015
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: of the world. Do you feel that you're guilty of that.

1016
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of that to a degree. I'm aware of

1017
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: the things that are of that are relevant to the hunt,

1018
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: like im, so, I'm aware of the types of trees

1019
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: that they like to feed on. I'm aware of the

1020
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: types of trees that they're more likely to rub on.

1021
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: I'm aware of the types of plant life that I'm

1022
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: focused on because I know that deer will be feeding

1023
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: on this saw raccoon. Would you register it, register? Yeah,

1024
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: I'll register most animals, squirrels. I feel like you're just

1025
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of kind of what I don't know they're beneath

1026
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: my radar. I guess not not in like a not

1027
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: like beneath me. But I just like, there's so many

1028
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: of them usually I can't trigger it. Well, but you're

1029
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: in a you're in the transition zone. You're in the

1030
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: transition zone where there's not in this place. I'm honey, Montana.

1031
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: You're just in the area where they start to where

1032
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: where they you know they they're in the major Riperian

1033
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: corridors nosing westward. Okay, it's like an incomplete map. And yes,

1034
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: that's true. It's just good to know. When I get back,

1035
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: I will register cottontails. Yeah, yeah, I see a cottail.

1036
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: It will click in your mad like, oh, let's grab it. Yeah. Turkeys. Uh,

1037
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: he'd probably just come back and say I saw six

1038
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: mammals over three pounds under Yeah, but when you're seeing

1039
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: when you're seeing like sixty mammals over three pounds for

1040
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: over a hundred pounds, the little two pounders just kind

1041
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: of heart to keep track of. Okay. Well, I'm just

1042
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: requesting for next time that when doing this sort of thing,

1043
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: you don't need to tell me if you saw them

1044
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: in Michigan, because they're they're omnipresent. But I'm just requesting

1045
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: that in in these just keep a mental note duly noted.

1046
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: I will put them in the to do list next

1047
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: time around. So there you are, nuts, you grab a

1048
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: sip of water. Three thirty five in the afternoon, Grab

1049
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: a sip of water, assuming that I'm gonna have some

1050
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: time here to kind of just relax. Yeah, and while

1051
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm and and I lost my main Nalgian water bottle

1052
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: on one of these hikes back and fourth, so the

1053
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: only water bottle I had was one of those great

1054
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: big steel YETI ramblers. And so in my headily, this

1055
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: is stupid to be bringing U out in the woods

1056
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: just because it's big and flashy. So in my head

1057
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: is like, well, I have a couple of SIPs right now.

1058
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pull it out when there's gonna

1059
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: be deer moving around or anything. Um, but take this

1060
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: big swig and made swig I catch moving out of

1061
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: left of my eye three thirty seven, here's this big

1062
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: giant buck walking right towards me. Stop messing around doing something.

1063
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: And it looked in my head that the first thing

1064
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: I thought I saw the frame of those antlers, said

1065
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: that's that same buck from yesterday. He does not have

1066
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: velvet anymore, so peel is velvet, rubbed it all off

1067
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: overnight in the moment, that's us thinking in retrospect, probably

1068
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened that fast. But in my head, I'm

1069
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: like that this must be that same deer had the

1070
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: same kind of tall times curving in um tall browb times.

1071
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm I canna let that same thing that

1072
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: happened yesterday happened where I wasn't quick enough to get ready.

1073
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: So he's coming in. I throw the water bottle in

1074
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: my backpack, grond my bow, turn the camera on, spin around,

1075
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: get into the position. All the while he's slowly kind

1076
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: of walking in, and he walks into fifteen yards. Um.

1077
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't have asked for a better situation

1078
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: and got a shot him at like a fifteen and

1079
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: he goes running off and I got an aarrow in

1080
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: a public lamb buck just like that, three thirty seven

1081
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. The video is funny because you could

1082
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: you could like the camera thing is funny. Yeah, I

1083
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: zoomed way out and the self filming self filming the

1084
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: white to hunt. That's kind of tricky. It's a whole

1085
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: lot of deal man. Yeah, but I got him on

1086
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: foot I got on film. It's not like beautiful footage

1087
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: or anything, but I thought it was great. Yeah, that

1088
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: was a good video. But he looks pretty far. It

1089
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: was a nice shot. Mart definitely wasn't that far. What

1090
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: do I need to do? Just go to bar to

1091
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: hunt dot com. Yeah, well i'd go to the YouTube channel.

1092
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: Maybe go check that out. Um it's on the mediator

1093
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: dot com to um and there's a series. I did

1094
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: a video every day of that hunt. So each day

1095
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: I I showcased what I was doing throughout that day.

1096
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: So there's one, two, three, and then day four and five.

1097
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: I put in one video at the end because double feature,

1098
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: double feature, because I shot this buck um and the

1099
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: shot looked pretty good, Like in my mind's I looked

1100
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: pretty good. I looked at the footage because it so

1101
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: zoomed out, you couldn't really tell, but it looked like

1102
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: it was probably the back of lungs is where I

1103
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: thought the shot was. That's that's one nice thing about

1104
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: having films stuff. Mhmm. It doesn't make it worth it

1105
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: in and of itself, but it's a nice thing of

1106
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: having film and stuff to analyze huge. So based off that,

1107
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, well, I'm gonna give just just

1108
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: give him a forty five minutes an hour just to

1109
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: be safe, and then I'll go down there and look around,

1110
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: check for blood, do some of that. And so that

1111
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: all happened, and then I got to thinking, well, I'm

1112
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: a mile and a half away from the truck. I

1113
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: don't have like my buck barrito. I have this like

1114
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: sled that I want to just cut him up and

1115
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: carry him out. I should have done that, but as

1116
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: a Michigan guy, like we just don't. I wouldn't. I

1117
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: didn't know. And in retrospect, of course you can do that,

1118
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: because you can do that with elk or meal they

1119
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: or whatever. But in some states back East and you're

1120
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: not to do that. Um So in just my head

1121
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: and it was like, I'm just gonna drag it out

1122
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: like you always do. I saw the little thing you had,

1123
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: a little deer dragger. So it's just basically kind of

1124
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: like a plea sold for that purpose. It's like fifteen bucks.

1125
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna buy just a sled, and then when

1126
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: I looked for a sled on Amazon, that popped up

1127
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: specifically called like deer dragons and sled or sometimes get

1128
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: one of those otter sleds um. So I decided to

1129
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: hike back to the truck, get that, unload all my

1130
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: gear that I don't need, changes some light away clothes,

1131
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: come back in. Did all that got back in? That night?

1132
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: Started trying to look for blood. The condensed version of

1133
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: this is that I could not find blood that night.

1134
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: UM started kind of body searching into that thick stuff

1135
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: where I thought he must be because I last saw

1136
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: him going those Russian oil I couldn't believe that he

1137
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: could go too much further, but nothing. So after dark

1138
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: finally got to the point where it just seemed to

1139
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: be fruitless to keep on walking in there. I can't

1140
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: see more in ten yards in front of me. I

1141
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: was really stressed. Yeah, I was pretty upset UM, because

1142
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: it just looked like such a slam dunk that I

1143
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: thought for sure that Buck would be tipping over just

1144
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: inside the brush and he'd be right there because he ran.

1145
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: I watched him run for a couple hundred yards through

1146
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: this open transition, so I would have been I was

1147
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: shocked to see that he wasn't down so soon UM

1148
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: came back in the next morning, first thing, first light,

1149
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: and still couldn't find blood. Um at the shot side,

1150
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: just to tiny a little bit, and then after that,

1151
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: no blood trail. I went to the last spot I

1152
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: saw him again, and I'd watched the video and I was, okay,

1153
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he went in front of this tree,

1154
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: but behind this bush. So I went to that area

1155
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: and then just started walking back and forth, just staring

1156
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: at the ground trying to see anything, and I did

1157
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: end up finding blood. Now I have a little bit

1158
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: of a unique situation and that I've got a little

1159
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: bit of red green color blindness. So red does him

1160
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: pop as much to me is like my buddies. So

1161
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: I'll be like blood trailing with a friend like oh yeah,

1162
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: blood blood, blood blood, and I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah.

1163
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: Like I have to get down like really like look

1164
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: at it. So now for me, you need to look

1165
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: like the Manson murders before you for it to be

1166
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: a really easy blood track. So I found Now I

1167
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: look more for like the shape of like a blood splatter,

1168
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: or the glimmer of like that little like fluid glare. Yeah, yeah,

1169
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: the sheen, And then I spot that kind of and

1170
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: and I can see, oh yeah, that's red blood. Um.

1171
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit more difficult for me, a

1172
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: little bit slower process. So maybe someone else would have

1173
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: spot all this blood faster than I did. But I

1174
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: eventually got it. I was able to follow a small

1175
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: blood trail about eight yards and that kind of pointed

1176
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: me into the brush the right way, so now I

1177
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: had a better idea of what his trajectory was. Dried

1178
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: up again, though, I spent the next several hours then

1179
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: circling out from there trying to find more blood or

1180
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: find him. And it's just that, like you said, that thick,

1181
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: nasty Russian olive stuff crawling around on all all fours

1182
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: for most of the time to get underneath it, because

1183
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: like just deer tunnels to there. Um. And after four

1184
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: or five six hours that morning doing that, I stumbled

1185
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: on bole lomhol there it was. Now did it looked

1186
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: like he had tipped over, like curled up. He was

1187
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: tipped over. He wasn't curled up, um, But but I

1188
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a situation where he was

1189
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: he maybe he had been there for a while. I'm

1190
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: not sure. I don't know how long it took um,

1191
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: but he definitely wasn't like curled up, bedded. He was

1192
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: laying there like he just fell. Was it a cool night.

1193
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: It was a cool night, But he wasn't all like

1194
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: super stiff and regul mortists like you see many of me.

1195
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: Was still good. I was worried about that. If you

1196
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: tasted it yet. No, Um, it was a situation where

1197
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: it was really hot that day when I found him,

1198
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: and I was worried about that. So I found him

1199
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: by that time it was already I don't know, eleven

1200
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: thirty or noon or something, and I don't know seventies

1201
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: or eighties. And then you know, it took a very

1202
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: long time to get him out of there, Drag him

1203
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: through the river, get him out those steep river bay as.

1204
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: I developed like a police system with ropes to get

1205
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: him up and over the bank. Um, you need to

1206
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: develop a system with a knife in a backpack, right, Yeah,

1207
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: lesson learned. We can help you out. Yeah, in retrospect,

1208
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: I made things much harder. But he's not gonna drive

1209
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: home with them a hole anyway. The thing is that

1210
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: you can't, Yeah, you can't drive home with him. You

1211
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: can't cross state lines or anything with CWD and all

1212
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: that too. Um, But got him out of there, get

1213
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: him cleaned up. And what did the netcropsy reveal of

1214
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: your shop placement? It was back of lungs. It ended

1215
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: up being a slightly quartering two shot. So in retrospect,

1216
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: I hadn't realized that he was a little bit quartering

1217
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: to me. So that shot nick to the back of

1218
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: the lungs, liver, and then the front of the stomach,

1219
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: just a little nick off the front of the stomach,

1220
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: and then that exit wound was plugged up with like

1221
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: some of that stuff. Um. And so I think that

1222
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: led to why he was able to go much further

1223
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: than I expected. Those single lung hits, at least for

1224
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: white else, are notorious for being you know, it should be,

1225
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: it should be. It's a shot. You think that that

1226
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: deer would die, but many times they don't, or they

1227
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: go much further than you think. Um. So it's kind

1228
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: of one of those dreaded shots you hear about a

1229
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: lot oh yeah and alkohin one lung as I feel

1230
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: like they'll go miles yeah. Um. So I was fortunate

1231
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: he didn't go too far. I found him. It was

1232
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of luck and a little bit of

1233
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: persistence probably um and I was really a music It's

1234
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: a great public land buck, really fun hunt um. So

1235
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: it was great. Then headed in North Dkota. What did

1236
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: you with your dear? So because of that warm weather,

1237
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: I dropped him off of the processor, so he got

1238
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: it frozen. He got frozen if they just get him

1239
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: in the fridge right away. And then he got me

1240
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: up with my friend who was across the border hunting

1241
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: the other spot. We had some uh with that elk.

1242
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: It's got it was hot, lost a little meat, not

1243
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: a little lost meat. And then I got home and uh,

1244
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I just gotta dive in

1245
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: and eat something, just find out what I'm dealing with

1246
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: beause I need to set my mind at ease. I

1247
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: took it. I took a huge chunk of it and

1248
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: corned it because I wanted to be like, you feel

1249
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: like that's gonna mask Well, that's the thing, So here's

1250
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: the thing. I'll work backward from there. So I went

1251
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: to an extreme because if it's a little bit sour,

1252
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's like you just got a

1253
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: tough Like there's a there's a point at which you're like, yeah,

1254
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: it's a little bit sour, but not enough to warrant.

1255
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: As soon as I corned it looking phenomenal. So now

1256
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: like I know that they that'll work right, Like you

1257
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: damn sure you know that you make like sausage sticks

1258
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: out of it, You probably make regular sausage out of it.

1259
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: I know that I can corn it. And now I'll

1260
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: begin exploring right to the point where you're you know,

1261
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: the end of the rope would be that you're cutting

1262
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: sashini slices like a little bit of coarse sea salt

1263
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: on it, eating it. But I started rather than starting

1264
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: there and have this disappointing experience, I started at what

1265
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: what will I know will be good? My wife aided,

1266
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: kids all ate it, no complaints. I did. Brian it

1267
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: quite long enough, so it was a huge block of it,

1268
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: and when you got in the middle, it was the

1269
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: Brian hadn't hit a little bit brown in the middle.

1270
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: Had it like St. Patty's Day, cabbage, carrots, taters, creamed

1271
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: horse radish. It's so good man. So they they had

1272
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: to fight with about that, like how you do they

1273
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: don't like the corn meat. They just sometimes they were

1274
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: like a pain in the ass man, like boiled cabbage

1275
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: just somehow struck him as like what in the world.

1276
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Last night I fried him up

1277
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: bourbon fried bourbon, French fries and salad and then ever

1278
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: and then I have to the whole dinner. I don't

1279
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: need to say anything, clean that whole thing out. But

1280
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: with making corn meat, I had to be like, dude,

1281
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to square up, square up in your

1282
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: seat and eat your food, square up, and eat your food,

1283
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: square up and eat your food. Fried fish, you don't

1284
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: say anything. You just talk to your wife and they

1285
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: just sit there and eat. This is a good good

1286
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: lessons for me to learn fried fish. You got to

1287
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: train them up on it. But coming from the Midwest,

1288
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: like where fried fish is pretty normal, um fried fish

1289
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: and kids, just like just give yourself a break down.

1290
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: Then if you're kind of like because we're strict, man,

1291
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: like we're strict, we don't let him off the hook.

1292
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: As far as they're gonna have to eat what you're

1293
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: putting from. If I cook dogshit, they're gonna be like,

1294
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to eat that. It's a good way

1295
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: to go. I don't know why. I don't think it actually,

1296
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it actually even helps. If you

1297
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: came and told me, if you came and told me

1298
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: that it was actually detrimental and made your kids worse

1299
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: and less likely to be likable and less likely to

1300
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: be successful, I'd still make them eating because like, it's

1301
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: not about I'm not even playing long game. I'm playing

1302
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: short game. But I don't like to take them to

1303
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: someone else's house. When we go to someone else's house

1304
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: to eat and we're like, you know, square out eat,

1305
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: that's just how that's how it's gonna be. I can't.

1306
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have them go there and have to

1307
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: have someone makes some extra thing for them. Yeah. Naturally,

1308
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: I feel like kids, uh like the idea of menu

1309
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: and the palatability of what they'd like to eat will

1310
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: naturally just narrow down if you leave them up to

1311
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: their own device. Where where the reason I always are like, yeah,

1312
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: you're just gonna eat it so heaven, Yeah you know,

1313
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: and that and that gives him that wide range where Yeah,

1314
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: because we hung out with some family of mine last

1315
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: summer and it was it was yeah, look I'm just

1316
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: saying how it was. But there was like adult food

1317
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: and then there was kid food. Yeah, kids love it. Oh, Yeah,

1318
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: if my kid's going to a situation like that, it's like, oh,

1319
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: you could have these buttered noodles. Yeah right, They kids

1320
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: any butter needles every day. Yeah, yeah, you're not there yet. No,

1321
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: he's in the sala food now, still drinking mama's milk,

1322
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: still drinking mama's milk, but twice a day he's having

1323
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, some little veggie easer. He's dabbling with real

1324
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: food chunks of venison in nine months. I'm we're I

1325
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: want to get home. We did it where you chew

1326
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: it up and then give it to like a street

1327
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: pigeon like you Actually no, but I would take meat,

1328
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: chew it all up and then give it to them

1329
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: to eat. They're drinking milk out of their moths breast.

1330
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: They can eat some meat out of other day's mouth.

1331
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: You guys got young kids, are you guys? Do you

1332
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: guys do the like like do you play kadhim or

1333
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: do you know? I know it's uh, they get what

1334
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: we eat and cooking salmon or you'd say yeah, yeah,

1335
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: it's that's really all that we have is wild game salmon,

1336
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: and that's that's the majority of our of our diet.

1337
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: I didn't win one form or another, and no, my

1338
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: wife Nicole does a really good job of that and

1339
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: she the other thing we found is if you keep

1340
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: putting it in front of him, you know, the first

1341
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: couple of times, I'll bucket and and you know, kind

1342
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 1: of our role as well. If it's a new food,

1343
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: you just have to try it. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah,

1344
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: it's all kinds of stuff. But you know it's it's

1345
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: working because they will be picky if they want. But

1346
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, just the other day, we took him out

1347
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: the sushi and total experiment and the next thing, you know,

1348
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: they're eating everything there where'd you guys go Dave's. It

1349
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: is awesome, but I mean they're eating calamari, they're eating

1350
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: things that you know, most kids don't want to stick

1351
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: a squid in their mouth, you know, to start, but

1352
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 1: they try. And I'll give you a sack of squid

1353
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: um because we're still sitting on some squid from from Seattle.

1354
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: But I fried it for him and they're like, that's good, right,

1355
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: that's squid. And I grilled him some and I had

1356
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: to defend that it was actually squid, Like, that's not squid.

1357
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: Everyone knows that the squid is fried there's some other

1358
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: bullshit you. Yeah, that's the fact. Yeah, it's fun. I

1359
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: mean it's not fun. It's aggravating, Like it's just like

1360
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: gravating at dinner. I'm just saying the same things over

1361
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: and over. And what I don't get is there will

1362
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: just be that one day when you put it on

1363
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: the plate and they fought it and then it's gone.

1364
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: They just date it all just one day they decided

1365
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: that Okay, yeah, I'm not gonna fight it. I'm just

1366
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna eat this. And ten years ago, kids weren't asking

1367
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: for something else. This had what you had, or you

1368
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: went hungry. Probably probably not even that long ago. I

1369
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: was going I was going to a way safe number. Yeah, yeah,

1370
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: you got anything you want to add, Kurt, lots of

1371
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: good hunting stories, man, I gotta follow up question on

1372
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: very hunting stories because we talked a lot about gear,

1373
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, before you went out, Um, was there anything

1374
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: that you brought but you didn't use? It's done. Yeah,

1375
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: that's that's what I was thinking, is saying a lot

1376
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: of weight but just bringing some pepper spray. Um. No,

1377
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: But funny enough, one of the things that I picked

1378
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: up after we talked about it you guys were talking

1379
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: about bringing a multitool, like a leatherman of some sort.

1380
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: I started thinking, what would I do? Yeah, you know,

1381
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: stay around, got jammed in or you know, a screw

1382
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: comes loose, and you know, I've I've had other little things,

1383
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: but I got one of those little tiny leatherman squirts.

1384
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: Don't know that one? Yeah, well it's it's two ounces

1385
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know exactly how much you get done

1386
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: with it, but it's a pretty cool little tool. How's

1387
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff? So, yeah, there's a few things like

1388
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: that that I didn't. You got in your head. You did,

1389
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: so you got into my head a little bit. Yeah,

1390
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: and then you're back came in it and I bumped

1391
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: it up. Do you do you bring a butt pad

1392
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: like a sitting pad? Yeah? I do. I took a

1393
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: um therm arrest made those old ridge crests or ridge

1394
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: runner whatever that I can't remember what they were called.

1395
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: It's just a real thin foam ones and just cut

1396
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: it down and we started making the egg crape pad.

1397
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I don't like that. These guys, like guys

1398
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: that work with use the egg crate one, but we

1399
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: only run it because that's all it's available, because yeah,

1400
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: I think we'd all run smooth. And the major gripe

1401
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: is is that the the water if it gets wet,

1402
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: all it just like it's like the land of ten

1403
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: thousand lakes under your butt. Yeah, yeah, yeah that's true.

1404
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, but I still have the old style.

1405
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: I got like a piece whatever is did at one

1406
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: point in time, I got where I cut off just

1407
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: a three ft chunk on my sleeping pad, thinking of

1408
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: my legs that need to be on a pad anyway,

1409
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: don't think about taking a couple more inches off that

1410
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: and making that my sitting pad. No, that's a lot

1411
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: of people to do that. And then to replace your pad,

1412
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: you just put your backpack flat down there. Just it's

1413
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: not gonna be pad you, but it's gonna give you

1414
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: some separation from the cold ground, especially during the winter.

1415
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: I do that. I sit on my pack all the time.

1416
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't even Yeah, yeah, it gets you just that

1417
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: little bit of elevation. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I used

1418
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: I used most everything I brought, you know, other than

1419
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: the survival type things. So, but the follow up questions,

1420
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: that follow up question is was there anything that four days?

1421
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: And you're like, I should have brought that. I wish

1422
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: I had that. Well that one morning I woke up

1423
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: and it was just sucked in and it was blowing,

1424
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: and I started thinking, Man, I wish I would have

1425
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: brought a book. If you could have brought a book,

1426
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: what book would you grab? What do you oh? Man,

1427
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I probably would ask my wife

1428
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: Nicole when she was reading and grab grab taking her book. Yeah,

1429
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: what's good, that's funny because I packed around a No.

1430
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: Actually I did read an article out of a out

1431
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: of a magazine last week. Yeah. I like to bring

1432
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: magazines because I was thinking the back of my head

1433
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: I could burn them. Yeah, and the light. Yeah. And

1434
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: if you know, with our we're always the cruise, so

1435
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: you don't feel bad ripping articles out and passing around.

1436
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: You know. I might have told this story before. This

1437
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: is my concluding thought. We got stuck in the fog

1438
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: one time hunting sheet for a couple of days. I

1439
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: tell this. My brother had a book. It's like the

1440
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: It was the biography. How the hell he wanted with

1441
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: this book? This is not the New York Times best

1442
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: seller list. It was a really old biography of the

1443
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: first Superintendent of the Nally National Park. But he had

1444
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: a paperback and we got stuck in the fog, and

1445
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: so he took it, cut it in thirds right down

1446
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: the spine, and he's like, well, I get the first

1447
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 1: third first because it's my book and I want to

1448
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: after to read. I got read like the second third first,

1449
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: and then we because there's three of us, switched it around.

1450
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: Then you got to read the middle or whatever. Then

1451
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: you got to read the beginning, and he got to

1452
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: read it the proper order. But that got us through

1453
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: a couple of days of sitting in a tent reading

1454
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: about that guy. The best part of that book I

1455
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: don't really The only detailed book I remember is how

1456
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: vital it was for the people he hung out with

1457
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: to kill a bear in the fall for lard did

1458
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: It was just of paramount importance to stock up on

1459
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: a large were they black bear black bears in the fall?

1460
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: To render out the large for baking, because if you

1461
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: didn't have large, this was no fun. Bacon biscuits, wild

1462
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: fruit pie cross now not knowing can you use the

1463
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: fat from sheep or anything else in the same It

1464
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have people like, here's the thing, I was just

1465
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: reading this book, uh, Land of feast and famine, which

1466
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: is about fur trappers and the you know, they kind

1467
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: of were flirting with the edge of the Arctic and

1468
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: the boreal forest in northwest territories. Point being, this is

1469
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: in the nineteen this is in the early uh. Now

1470
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: we look at like deer tallow. Okay, Like dear fat

1471
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: is waxy and people trim it off because the flavors

1472
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: off it spoils in your freezer. It's coats the inside

1473
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 1: of your mouth with wax. These guys would trade in.

1474
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: They would trade and rump fat. So when you like,

1475
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: if you kill a summer deer, you've seen this mark,

1476
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: no doubt where you skin it and along the rump

1477
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: you got these big flat hunks of fat. They would

1478
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 1: square those pieces up and use it as a currency.

1479
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: It was of such value to them to slice and

1480
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: eat it. And that's tallow. But like you don't When

1481
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: we were kids, we would, Me and my buddy Eddie

1482
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: Lulfs used to take dear fat and melt it on

1483
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: a burner and put it on our boots to water

1484
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: proof our boots. But it doesn't smell that great. If

1485
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: you take bear fat, which is more like you know,

1486
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: it's not waxy. So you take bear fat, mountain lion

1487
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: fat would work because that's not why acually at all

1488
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: we were eating that. That's pretty good pig fat, and

1489
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: that renders into a lard. You can make a similar

1490
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: product with deer, but it's tallow. So you ever tried

1491
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: rendering beer like me, Eddie Lulas rendered a bunch of it,

1492
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: and my friend Layton and that and the product you

1493
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: get from that is still smells. It doesn't smell nice.

1494
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't say waxy to eat. My friend Layton would do.

1495
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: He did a couple versions. He would make a boot

1496
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: waterproof and he would get he would go out and

1497
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: harvest his own pine pitch. He would track honeybees. He'd

1498
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: sit in his yard and see a honeybee and he'd

1499
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: watch it. You know, the tom petty song. I can

1500
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: track a single bee to its hive. Layton couldn't. He would.

1501
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: He would be in his yard. You'd be in his

1502
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: yard and a honeybe had come by. He watched that

1503
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: honeybee go and he'd mark in his mind where he

1504
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: saw that honeybee vanish. The next day or whenever he

1505
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: had more time, he'd stand in that spot and wait

1506
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: till honey bee came by and mark where it went,

1507
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: and again and again and again until he was standing

1508
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: there at the hive with his chainsaw, and he chainsaw

1509
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: the tree apart and get the bees wax out. He'd

1510
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: go out to harvest his own pine pitch. He would

1511
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: wound pine trees and get the pitch and then render

1512
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: down dear fat and calmbo to make like a tribe

1513
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: blend waterproofing agent. It was hardcore. Was hardcore. He one

1514
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: time had a sheep and a bear killed a sheep,

1515
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: and he killed the bear and fell to the hole

1516
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: and it ate the bear. The whole thing worked out

1517
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: for it might have been a goat sat his own

1518
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: goat carcass, mourning over his goat carcass while waiting for

1519
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: the bear to come back to his way. Hardcore. He

1520
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: was a tree man, arborist. Um. What was the point?

1521
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: I was making point being, I don't well, I don't

1522
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: think he would bake, and I can't say this with

1523
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: certitude certainty. I don't think he would bake with deer tallow.

1524
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: I think that someone should try, and that might even

1525
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: try this year. But you can definitely bake with bear lard.

1526
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: And at one time rendered down fat from a buffalo,

1527
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: and that fat was good, and I kept some of

1528
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: that in a jar just to see how long it lasts,

1529
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: and I kept it for five six years, and the

1530
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: colors slowly changed over time. It started out pretty orange

1531
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: because the caratin, because it was in the summer in

1532
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: their fat turns orange and the summer are eating the

1533
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: one they're on green grass um. And over time it

1534
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: turned kind of whitish and then kind of yellowish. But

1535
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: it was good to eat. But that fat's good to eat.

1536
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: It's not waxy, and it's not off tasting. But the

1537
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: off tasting is something that we've only recently decided is

1538
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: off tasting, because, like I said, if you read about

1539
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: indigenous people as they trafficked in it and liked it,

1540
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: they didn't, I think it was off tasting. Apparently. Yeah,

1541
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: that's my concluding thought. You got a cluder mark, you know.

1542
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing I would say is just um.

1543
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this in the past, but one

1544
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 1: of the greatest challenges that a lot of hunters, especially

1545
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: east of the Mississippi, deal with his access finding places

1546
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: to hunt in their places continue to lose people are

1547
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: losing permission. Stuff is getting leased up. It's harder, Yeah,

1548
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: And I think I just echo the fact that there

1549
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: are a lot of great public land opportunities for white

1550
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: tiled deer hunters. It doesn't I think there's a misconception

1551
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: and it's changing, definitely, just changing over the last three

1552
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: to five years. But there's been this misconception that public

1553
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: land for deer hunters is lousy. Um. And there are

1554
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: spots that are really challenging, no doubt about it. But

1555
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: you can find you down to your state game area

1556
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: and parking the marked parking lot. Yeah, it might be

1557
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: a little chaotic, yeah, but you can find like really interesting,

1558
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: exciting opportunities that you don't need to pay lease fee,

1559
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: You don't need to pay an outfitter um, especially if

1560
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: you go west of them, if you can take a

1561
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: little drive, go west of the Mississippi, these great plain

1562
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: states have tremendous white tail hunting opportunities that are not

1563
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 1: getting tapped into. And it's a fun little adventure camp out.

1564
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: See a new country hot dogs. He hot dogs, grew

1565
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: up a steak, he baked beans out of can for squirrels,

1566
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: paid more attention to squirrels. So I would just say,

1567
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's possible. It's a lot of fun, doesn't

1568
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: need to cost a lot of money. Um, something considered Janice.

1569
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: And if you want to be a sheep hunter, you

1570
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: don't have to go to Alaska and pay twenty thousand

1571
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: dollars or he gets super lucky. You can come to

1572
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: Montana and just over the counter buying going to Great Hike.

1573
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: Just get a beautiful scenic window. Don't need to bring

1574
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,719
Speaker 1: a rifle. But yeah, he could be a sheep hunter

1575
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: for next to nothing. A guy wrote in he always

1576
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: looks at the show notes and sees it talk to you.

1577
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like your names are in there. He

1578
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: was thinking it was Janie. He's like, man, it's Janis

1579
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: person never says ship. He's expecting to hear a female.

1580
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 1: It's like Steve and his Yanni guy. But then Janie

1581
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: must be someone like an engineer who never gets to talk.

1582
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: I think I've told you this before, but one of

1583
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: my first jobs was answering phones for my dad when

1584
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: his company is just based at his house and after school, UM,

1585
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: I would just roll in and answer phones for two

1586
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: or three hours. Building this is funny, Building inspector, and uh,

1587
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: I would it was before when I was really young,

1588
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: before my voice broke. Then nobody could tell, and so

1589
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: I would just roll with it. They just thought they

1590
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: were speaking to a young woman, I guess. Jane says like, yeah, yeah,

1591
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: really yeah, I mean so I was. I mean, I

1592
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: was young, you know, I was probably I don't know, twelve.

1593
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: So you've got a good character to be able to

1594
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 1: do that, just running with it, like, you know, my

1595
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: wife is real mean and didn't change your name to

1596
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: my name. Me check into a hotel. We check into

1597
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: a hotel and they call up. They're like, hi, mr Finch.

1598
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm always like man, and have you come down everybody?

1599
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: How did that go? Or maybe that's not a conversation

1600
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: for this po go Why is she so mean? No? No, no, like,

1601
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: how did the decision to keep Finch versus because she

1602
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: she swindled me. She said, well, I don't feel like

1603
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: going through all the paperwork. When my passport expires, maybe

1604
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: i'll do it. Then passport came and went. She went

1605
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 1: out and got like a little email address that kind

1606
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: of throws a nod. It's it's horrible. I have to say.

1607
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: I say, this is the thing I always bring up,

1608
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: like I say like, um, people have to be like, oh,

1609
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: the Ronello's are coming over, and her too. My wife's

1610
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: reasoning was she had had that name already for nearly

1611
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: thirty years. She should have been sick of it. Right

1612
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: there you go, So she kept hers too. Oh yeah,

1613
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: me and Yanni. Man, I got no. We got no

1614
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: control over our women. Man. So that's why you guys

1615
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: get along. So while you can kind of convincer women,

1616
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: our women just our women just run over us, man.

1617
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: But that we got no say enough. That's brutal, you know,

1618
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: we just sit there and just take it. Mrs Kanyan

1619
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: and Mrs Rasco. Yeah, oh yeah, no questions there these

1620
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: days it's fifty fifty. Yeah. I feel like I know

1621
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of gals that I'd be annoyed if my

1622
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: daughter took some dude's name. Really, yeah, it's from her name.

1623
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: She's got a good name. It's got a good ring

1624
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: to it. Hold on, there's a name for what you

1625
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: just did. It's called the pockets Urt. You got your

1626
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: conclude hers final thoughts, Oh, man, I'm doing good. You

1627
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: got it all. You're spent. Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting. No,

1628
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: that was mine was two It was working off of marks,

1629
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: telling everybody can go be a sheep hunter from next.

1630
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: That was a good concluder, all right, man, guys, uh,

1631
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: next time you got a couple of hunting stories, you

1632
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: know where to find us, come back and join it. Thanks. Thanks,