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<v Speaker 1>I'm Steve Gregory in Los Angeles and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>death and life of Kobe Bryant. Sunday, January, Kobe Bryant,

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<v Speaker 1>his thirteen year old daughter Gianna, her two friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>four others board a private helicopter in Orange County. The

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<v Speaker 1>group is headed to a youth basketball tournament at Mamba

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Academy in Thousand Oaks, a little over seventy miles away,

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<v Speaker 1>just northwest of Los Angeles. Gianna and her two team

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<v Speaker 1>meets were about to play in the tournament. Bryant was

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach of Gianna's basketball team, the Mamba's. Bryant's wife, Vanessa,

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<v Speaker 1>was already at the sports Academy. It was widely known

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<v Speaker 1>that Bryant used a private helicopter to travel to Actus

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<v Speaker 1>two games and other events. He also once said using

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<v Speaker 1>a helicopter kept him fresh and ready for games. The

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<v Speaker 1>Mamba Sports Academy was a frequent destination for Bryant and

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter. The pilot, are A Zabayan, has flown that

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<v Speaker 1>route many times before, and logs show the aircraft had

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<v Speaker 1>flown the route about two dozen times over a two

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<v Speaker 1>year period. Zabayan had flown other celebrities and v i

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<v Speaker 1>P s through the helicopter's owner. Island Express. Conditions for

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<v Speaker 1>the normally routine flight changed when foggy conditions set in.

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<v Speaker 1>Zabayan was flying a Sikorski S seventy six B, a

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<v Speaker 1>common choice for corporate in v I P travel. Zabayan's

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft was not equipped with tas it stands for Terrain

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<v Speaker 1>Avoidance and Warning System, but it was not a required

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<v Speaker 1>piece of equipment, so Zabayan had to rely on his

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<v Speaker 1>own line of sight to pilot the helicopter. Jim Lan's

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<v Speaker 1>a former helicopter news reporter and pilot and was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cafie news coverage the morning of the crash.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim helps us to cipher the radio traffic number two

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<v Speaker 1>and going straight hold Class Charlie Airspace and an aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>going around. So what has happened is that he is

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<v Speaker 1>transitioning up to five freeway when he reached the about

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<v Speaker 1>the l A Zoo and that's the border for the

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<v Speaker 1>Burbank airspace. And because uh he the weather was so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>he said it was the towers reporting i f R,

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<v Speaker 1>which is instrument flight rules, which means visibility and ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty low. So the pilot at that point just

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<v Speaker 1>requested a special v FAR transition through his airspace. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a normal procedure that pilots can do when the

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<v Speaker 1>airport is below what they called basic could be a far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're are you following? Okay? What that is? He

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<v Speaker 1>said to him? He says, I see you on a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hunter code in the transponder. If you have one

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<v Speaker 1>to zero zero in your transponder, that means I am

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<v Speaker 1>a v FAR aircraft and I'm not talking to anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point, so what the air air traffic

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<v Speaker 1>controller in San Diego a scene as a what they

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<v Speaker 1>call it the a f our target. He could see

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<v Speaker 1>what the altitude speed is of that aircraft. Two echo

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<v Speaker 1>actory some time passes, then to echo Actually you're still

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<v Speaker 1>too little level for fly following at this time radio

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<v Speaker 1>silence two echo actors ocount. A lot has been said

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<v Speaker 1>about the actions of the pilot are Zobaian Should he

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<v Speaker 1>have waited for the fog to clear? Shouldn't the helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>have been equipped with the tause avoidance system. We may

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<v Speaker 1>never know the answers to these questions, but we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get a breakdown of the radio transmissions that day

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<v Speaker 1>between the Bayan and air traffic controllers. Tim Lends a

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<v Speaker 1>former news helicopter reporter and pilot. He used to work

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<v Speaker 1>for one of the big TV news stations here in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. He's best known for his live coverage of

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<v Speaker 1>car chases and other breaking news. So I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to the entire transmission that was released and

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<v Speaker 1>give us his play by plane. This is the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the air traffic control chatter that morning to actually

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<v Speaker 1>Burbran couberminco to the three D one Enterberbank class Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>trip terias and farm stay attentions five tiers Town, the

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<v Speaker 1>one on one West Touth School November two and going

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<v Speaker 1>straight hold out type Burbank class Charlie Airspace. I have

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<v Speaker 1>an aircraft going around okay, so what has happened is

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<v Speaker 1>that he has transitioning got the five freeway when he

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<v Speaker 1>reached the about the L A zoo and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>border for the Burbank airspace and the ATEN says Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>air space. The air spaces are are designated by its letters,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, be being around large around l A X.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie is for the smaller UH commuter airports like Burbank,

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<v Speaker 1>So Class Charlie air space is the area that the

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<v Speaker 1>tower controls. So and because uh he the weather was

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<v Speaker 1>so bad, he said it was the towers reporting i

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<v Speaker 1>f R, which is instruments like rules, which means visibility

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<v Speaker 1>and ceiling is pretty low. So the pilot at that

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<v Speaker 1>point just requested a special v FAR transition through his airspace.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a normal procedure that pilots can do when

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<v Speaker 1>the airport is below what they called basic could be

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<v Speaker 1>a far. So that because when you heard the controller

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<v Speaker 1>come back and say, remain clear of Class Trailie airspace.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get back to you. I have a goal around,

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<v Speaker 1>which means an aircraft just tried to land but had

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<v Speaker 1>to go around because he didn't have the runway in

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<v Speaker 1>sight or he who was outside of his speed and

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<v Speaker 1>altitude restriction or parameters to have to go around, and

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<v Speaker 1>then apparently had another aircraft coming in nine miles out

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<v Speaker 1>from there. So the rule is on special v FR

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<v Speaker 1>you're only allowed to have one aircraft in the airspace

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<v Speaker 1>at any one time operating. So he had to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the helicopter out of the airspace until that airplane or

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<v Speaker 1>the two airplanes that were in the airspace or coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the airspace to get those on the ground first,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were going to let him through. But

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<v Speaker 1>that that happens if you have a busy airport and

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming through and you try to slide through on

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<v Speaker 1>a special v f R, they're gonna hold you to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure everybody else is on the ground first and

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<v Speaker 1>then let you through. Vember two ecolect ray and for

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<v Speaker 1>your planning purposes, you can expect to transition to the

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<v Speaker 1>north side of the airport. I just spoke with Van

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<v Speaker 1>Eyes on the line and they've got multiple I part

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<v Speaker 1>depart just coming off of from A one six, So

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<v Speaker 1>you can expect to follow the find northing cross that way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So because what was happening, they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>instrument flight traffic coming into both the airports, and to

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<v Speaker 1>try to help him get through, they were just telling

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<v Speaker 1>him though, for planning purposes, because he was actually asking

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<v Speaker 1>to go west or north one oh one, which would

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<v Speaker 1>pass to the south of Burbank into the south of

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<v Speaker 1>Van Eyes. They were warning him, what, you're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>to go up the five freeway to the one eight

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<v Speaker 1>team and go around the north side of the airports

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<v Speaker 1>because Dan Eyes had I fr traffic or instrument traffic

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<v Speaker 1>taking off to the south off their runways. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the conflicts down at that point, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were just getting the heads up. So they're working with

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<v Speaker 1>him giving them information how to get through there. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's up. All that is all normal up to this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Straight for your transitioning Camerio. Did you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>follow the one team that I would look for up

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<v Speaker 1>then I to catch the one O one two question Rogers.

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<v Speaker 1>He offered him to take the one eighteen through the

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Susana pass UH because there's a couple of passes

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of valley to the west because you

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<v Speaker 1>have some high mountains there between the one on one

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<v Speaker 1>and the one eight team, So there's one pass that

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<v Speaker 1>goes to one E Santa Susana and then the one

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<v Speaker 1>on one is the one that he wanted because where

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to go is right off the one

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<v Speaker 1>on one. He he had filed from my understand to

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<v Speaker 1>Camario Airport, or he was saying he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>Camarrio Port, but actually he was going to a parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot there in UH. I believe either Agora or Calabasas

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<v Speaker 1>near the Mamba Academy, so he wasn't gonna try to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the airport. He was gonna land off site

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<v Speaker 1>as we call it. So at that point he said

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<v Speaker 1>he had liked to, you know, dropped down of the

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<v Speaker 1>south and pick up that one on one and go

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<v Speaker 1>through uh Calabasas and Abura Hills there matu Coo X

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<v Speaker 1>ray continue following the five northwestbound to join the one

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<v Speaker 1>eight team and then Van Eidel work you through freighter

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<v Speaker 1>services terminated from Aintance Squawk contact Van I Helicopters one zero.

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<v Speaker 1>He just gave him his route of flight that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted him to take and controllers trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that he keeps him out of a way of any

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<v Speaker 1>of his aircraft. And then he also had already more

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<v Speaker 1>likely been talking on the two way with Van Eiserport

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<v Speaker 1>telling him this guy is coming and here's what I

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<v Speaker 1>told him to do. And so now Danna I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be looking for him coming down westbound one

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<v Speaker 1>team from the five instead of coming up to one

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<v Speaker 1>oh one. So it helps out. The towers work with

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<v Speaker 1>each other trying to alert each other at the air traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>So they gave him a route to follow the five

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<v Speaker 1>Freeway north to the west one team and then check

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<v Speaker 1>in with Van Eys and they'll carib you when they

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<v Speaker 1>take you on. So you'll hear it later on in

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<v Speaker 1>the recording when he checks in the van Eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of too echo extra with you for the

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<v Speaker 1>especially be a part transition. We are kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen hundreds helicopter seven to echo actually van I tower

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<v Speaker 1>wind calm visibility two and one half feeling one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred fordecast and I bought some three zero one

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<v Speaker 1>six cleared into van I've class Delta northeast of Vanis

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<v Speaker 1>along the one eighteen freeway west down. Advice when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in DFR conditions or when you're clear of the Vanis

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<v Speaker 1>Class Delta transition at or blow two thousand, five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>committee to echo X ray prise is to be a

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<v Speaker 1>fart condition. Uh that I would stay of the one

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen because he has fourteen hundreds and we have LEGO

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<v Speaker 1>two or three wives help and can actually thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And whence you clear Vani delta, did you want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to so call from question. What she just told

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<v Speaker 1>him was she had radar identified him, said that he

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<v Speaker 1>was radar contact. Then he gave her or gave him

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<v Speaker 1>the weather at Danai's airports, which was two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half miles visibility eleven feet overcast and the altender for

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<v Speaker 1>the airports. Right now, he's up over the one eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and she then says continue west one until in d

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<v Speaker 1>FR conditions, which means visual flight rule conditions. And once

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<v Speaker 1>he he said he didn't, he replied back at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>I am in d FR and continuing on. So what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing was going up, going west on THEE

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<v Speaker 1>and when clear, he'll report or he should for report

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<v Speaker 1>clear the Van I, the Van I class Delta air space,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have Charlie air space and for Burbank and

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<v Speaker 1>then Delta and Van I. He's going to work his

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<v Speaker 1>way along one eighteen and then skirt around the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>i's air space towards the one oh one, which is

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<v Speaker 1>all perfectly good. Quick Actually he starts going and so

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<v Speaker 1>to be a south quest close to one one, he

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<v Speaker 1>was asking if he was okay for him to turn

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<v Speaker 1>south towards the one on one because more likely he

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<v Speaker 1>still was in her airspace, and so he was just

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<v Speaker 1>requesting to make that left hand turn from the one

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<v Speaker 1>and follow over to the southwest to get down to

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<v Speaker 1>the one on one. Approved, and are you transitioning in

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<v Speaker 1>b a far condition? And what dollars the five months

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<v Speaker 1>tootric thank you contacts? So now one three or four

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<v Speaker 1>point two for flight following, So right there she okay,

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<v Speaker 1>controller from the Nays Airport then approved his request to

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<v Speaker 1>turn southbound towards the one on one for you as

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<v Speaker 1>she asked if he was in visual flight rules. He

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<v Speaker 1>replied back, yes, I'm in visual flight rules at fift

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and she said approved as requested, and then asked

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<v Speaker 1>for him to contact the so Cal Traken, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a so call uh radar system that is covers the

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<v Speaker 1>area here, to contact them so that they could get

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<v Speaker 1>him into ray our contact and follow him to his destination.

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<v Speaker 1>And I dent is a term that and that's and

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<v Speaker 1>let's explain what SOCALF trackon or the SoCal SoCal radar control.

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<v Speaker 1>They cover all of southern California and they are based

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<v Speaker 1>out in San Diego, and each controller has a little

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<v Speaker 1>piece of the pie up a different sectors throughout southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're talking to a greadar controller down San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>at this point and he just checked in with him, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know echo X ray request, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when he came to heard the controller cup on echo

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<v Speaker 1>X ray ident. That means press a button on your transponder,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a device in the in the aircraft that

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<v Speaker 1>will send a signal to the radar and then make

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<v Speaker 1>you on the radar scope kind of light up. They

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<v Speaker 1>call it a flash to where he can see that

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<v Speaker 1>that dot is the guy he's talking to. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>on a transponder on an aircraft, basically gives you a

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<v Speaker 1>four digit code that they can assign to you and

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<v Speaker 1>then I can you know, know that that not that

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking at as you and then ah, what they

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<v Speaker 1>call an information tag will beyond that and the information

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<v Speaker 1>tag will move across their screen so they know who

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking to. So he's just trying to verify radar

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<v Speaker 1>contact with him at this point coming up. The flight

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<v Speaker 1>continues and seems pretty routine until two echo actors ocount

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<v Speaker 1>radio silence. The death and life of Kobe Bryant continues

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<v Speaker 1>after this. Former TV News chopper reporter and pilot Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn has been analyzing the radio chatter between pilot our

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<v Speaker 1>z a buy in and the air traffic controllers from

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego Van Nye and Burbank. Actually, yeah, you're one,

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<v Speaker 1>are you request folling? Okay? What that is? He said

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<v Speaker 1>to him? He says, I see you on a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hunter code in a transponder. If you have one to

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<v Speaker 1>zero zero in your transponder, that means I am a

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<v Speaker 1>v FAR aircraft and I'm not talking to anybody. And

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, so what the air airtraffic control or

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<v Speaker 1>in San Diego scene is a what they call a

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<v Speaker 1>B FAR target. He can see, uh, what the altitude

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<v Speaker 1>speed is of that aircraft. And now you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't be for sure since she talked to Van Eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Van Eyes more likely already put it what they call

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<v Speaker 1>a tag on him, so they kind of had an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>With the N number or the registration number. The aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>is probably in there as well, since he had already

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<v Speaker 1>talked to an air traffic controller at Van Eys tower,

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<v Speaker 1>So that that whole thing right there is going, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not on a code, You're you're just squawking B far,

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<v Speaker 1>which means twelve. What is your intention? You know? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want me to do? You want flight following, which

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<v Speaker 1>means I can follow you on the radar and give

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<v Speaker 1>you advisories of eric haft around you. That's what flight

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<v Speaker 1>following us. Also, it keeps you in contact with each

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<v Speaker 1>radar sector as you move through your route of flight

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<v Speaker 1>in case something goes wrong or then mostly it's used

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<v Speaker 1>for traffic avoidance, do incollectory? What are you the intention?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you going? What are you doing? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>So he had so now he can formulate a plan

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<v Speaker 1>with with this this aircraft and what he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>do with him in his air space to eco Actorly,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still too low level for flight following at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Two in collector and dontcount. You know, the radar coverage

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<v Speaker 1>is only as good as where the radar towers are.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have a lot of hills that are you

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<v Speaker 1>have the Santa Monica Mountains you have And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure exactly which radar site they're working off it because

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<v Speaker 1>there are several races radar sites through southern California and

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<v Speaker 1>to the base and that they used. And whatever one

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<v Speaker 1>he was on, he couldn't see the target he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting intermitted because he had the the tag. At one

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<v Speaker 1>point where he says, I see his squawking, so he

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<v Speaker 1>had him for a little bit. Then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden he got behind the mountain there, got too low

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<v Speaker 1>for the radar suite, so he dropped off. So right

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<v Speaker 1>there he was, had him on radar and had him

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio, so he can talk to him on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio, no problem. But his target kep dropping off

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<v Speaker 1>radar and then you heard him say, asked him that

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<v Speaker 1>respond and he didn't respond. So at that point he

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<v Speaker 1>was either a low radar coverage and more likely not

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the radio or not hearing the radio. Since

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<v Speaker 1>that's the last part of the chatter, is there a

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<v Speaker 1>presumption that that could have been at the point of impact?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, Uh, you gets presumption maybe, But from what

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<v Speaker 1>information I'm hearing is that he apparently had asked for

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<v Speaker 1>a VFR climb at one point. I've never heard a

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<v Speaker 1>rate our radio transmission of that, but that he had

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<v Speaker 1>asked for a climb. Yeah, but like I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard it. But that's usually what you hear at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the end of the situation like this

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<v Speaker 1>is they'll have you on radar, then you'll drop off radar,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they try to reach you on the rate

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio, and if you don't answer on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually what happens at the end. So h as

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<v Speaker 1>far as in the track, he had already made that

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<v Speaker 1>turn up the one on one or not at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure, but he could have still been

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<v Speaker 1>south the valley circle their ball and on the one

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<v Speaker 1>on one at this point, but there apparently was one

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<v Speaker 1>other radar radio transmission asking for a climb. Now, Tim

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<v Speaker 1>you've flown that route before, you flown the area before,

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<v Speaker 1>have you had any problems with the radio transmissions there? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>normally I don't speak with us, the SoCal tray Coon people,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm norm sho low and I'm out of their

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<v Speaker 1>airspace and I really don't need their help going through there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anytime do that as when you're crossing long

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<v Speaker 1>along desolate areas, you want somebody you just to keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on you heading out through Gallop Valley, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that, or if I'm head out through pomp Strings,

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<v Speaker 1>But and no local flights like that, you're not required.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I clear Vana air space, I'm on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to talk to anybody and Conna Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn retraces the route that r Zabayan took that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>As the death and life of Klobe Bryant continues, former

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<v Speaker 1>TV News chopper reporter and pilot Tim Lynn is giving

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<v Speaker 1>us an insider's perspective on the unique language and conversations

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<v Speaker 1>between pilot our Zabaian and their traffic controllers. Tim talks

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<v Speaker 1>about retracing the path that Zibayan took that morning by

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<v Speaker 1>flying the route himself. Yeah, I've flowed do that one

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<v Speaker 1>on one pass multiple times, and even after this crash,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back through there and I and I heard

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<v Speaker 1>his last reported out to four ft fifteen hundred feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I even tried to fly through their fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet just to see what it would be like. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was a way uncomfortable for me to go through

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<v Speaker 1>there at that altitude. Uh, you know, even even in

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<v Speaker 1>the daylight with you know, perfect visibility. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>had hills on either side of me going up the

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<v Speaker 1>going up to one on one, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot lower than I really would want to be, uh

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, to navigate through there. So yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd just been curious, curious helicopter pilot and listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the transmissions into different analysis that came out since the crash,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just wanted to see what it would look like.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried to grow up there, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was lower than I'd want to be going through that pass.

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<v Speaker 1>And then add to that fog. Oh yeah, there's no way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have I have minimums uh. And the

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<v Speaker 1>first flying when I was doing the news, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going through the New Hall Pass. If if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get tot, I wouldn't go because I knew the fires

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty seat and if the visibility was lowered them

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<v Speaker 1>what I know, I could keep contact with the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't do it. But because you never know what's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side. Because if you get in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have low visibility, you run into a cloud.

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<v Speaker 1>You you can't turn left or right because there's hills

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of you. And the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>you can do is just you know, full full power,

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<v Speaker 1>full back on the stick and start climbing straight out

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<v Speaker 1>and climb up through the clouds and pop out on

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<v Speaker 1>top and and uh beg for forgiveness at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>ask for help to get back down. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you try to keep yourself out of a situation like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called inadvertent i AMC or instrument meroological conditions is

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<v Speaker 1>what they talk about, and there's a lot of training

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<v Speaker 1>that goes on to warn pilots about that, to train

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<v Speaker 1>pilots not to get into that situation. As a flight

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<v Speaker 1>instructure myself for both air plane and helicopter, our recurrent

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<v Speaker 1>training that we're required to do every two years, they

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<v Speaker 1>focus on that quite a bit, and they focus on

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<v Speaker 1>other things that have they've had problems with over the

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<v Speaker 1>last two years. But it always is what they call

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<v Speaker 1>interverton i AMC or where airplane drivers, you know, take

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<v Speaker 1>off with a hunter Hamburger on a Saturday afternoon and

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<v Speaker 1>when they get to their destination, they fly into a

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<v Speaker 1>cloud just trying to get there. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that really causes a lot of accidents in

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<v Speaker 1>the general agation world, is that pushing it into bad weather.

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<v Speaker 1>But this pilot, very season that had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>flight hours, a lot of experience in that aircraft, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had been that roof many times before, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was figuring he could get on through it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your luck as only as long as your luck goes,

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<v Speaker 1>and some days you run out of left coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in episode two. Helicopter crashed into a mountain. We heard it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I'm looking at the flame. Some hikers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Lost Hills Mountains area of Calabasas had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what they just witnessed. The Life of Kobe Bryant is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of kf I News at I Heart Media,

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles for the I Heart Podcast network. H