1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Well, the NFL Scout in Combine in Indianapolis. J P. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Shadwick with the Great Charles Davis. You do it all 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: NFL on CBS, NFL Media, Serious XM Radio. You're doing 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the Combine broadcast. I mean, yeah, you've got it all. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: How lucky am I that people will will allow me 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: to do all this type of work. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty fortunate. Really. Yeah. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: I know it kind of sounds trite because we're kind 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: of joking back and forth, but you know what it's 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: like in our business. If someone wants you to work, 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: consider yourself fortunate. 12 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then go work. Yeah, go do it. Go 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: do the job. I'm not coming back. 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: You do job best you can and hope they want 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: to keep you around. 16 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Oh, you do the fantastic work on all of them. 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: So we've got plenty to discuss around the Jaguars, of course, 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: new leadership across the board three pronged approach with Tony 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Basselli is the executive vice president handling everything outside of 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: picking players. Well, he might be involved in that too. 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: But there's a GM in Gladstone who's thirty four. Liam 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Cohen's thirty nine years old. Youth movement is here in Jacksonville. Yeah, 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: it really is. 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: And I like how you described him with a three 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: pronged approach, and it certainly sounds like that's how it 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: is set up. And having Tony Basselli back involved, I 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: think it's just a home run for the Jacksonville franchise. 28 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: And this is something he really wants to do. Oh yeah, 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: you know, and when you see that and you hear 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: that the passion that he's going to bring to this 31 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: job because this man loves the Jaguars, he loves the organization. 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: He wants to be part of a group that gets 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: them back to where things were when he was rolling 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: out there. So yeah, I really like where they're going. 35 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: I don't know James Gladstone as well as I hope 36 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: to down and down the road and kind of Liam 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: Cohen I was able to meet last year as the 38 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: offense coordinator of the Buccaneers, and I could not have 39 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: been more impressed. I came away from that one going 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: whoa first time I'd ever met him and spent time 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: with him, and I was juiced coming out of there. 42 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: I be interesting. See obviously he did great work in 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Tampa with Baker. Yeah, that's the idea with Trevor right, Okay, 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: work this offense around him. There's six years left in 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: his contract. Yeah, Trevor's not going anywhere. We get him going. 46 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: And that's the number one priority for this team is Trevor. 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: It certainly is. And typically when you take these jobs 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: of Ben Johnson to the Chicago job, because Kayleb Williams 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: was there, so he knows what his priority is, and 50 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Kayla Williams needs to know what his priority is is 51 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: to meet Ben Johnson, you know, not just halfway, but 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: be all in with him. I would say that's the 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: same thing for Trevor Lawrence. And you know, I don't 54 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: know Trevor as well as others, right, I'd know him 55 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: well enough that he's a very nice young man and 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: his talent is you know, there's a reason he went 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: number one in the draft. They didn't just like his hair. Okay, 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: he could play, but he also is at that point 59 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: in his career where he really needs to to hit it, 60 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: like he really needs that whatever Liam Cohen is bringing, 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: whatever he's going to bring to the table, they need 62 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 2: to be successful together for Trevor Lawrence to have the 63 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: career that we're expecting him to have because it's still 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: out there for him, but you can't keep waiting for it. 65 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: Charles, you mentioned that you don't know James Ladstone. I 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: don't know anybody that knows. You know, it's just tough. 67 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: That's how some of these guys I've heard, I've. 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Heard so many good things, and they move up. 69 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: These organizations and you never hear them talk. You don't 70 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: know those guys are also they're a GM. 71 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and part of that is the good organizations 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: make sure that they have that one consistent voice. I 73 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: don't think it's as as how would we say it 74 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: like in college, where it's like there is one voice. 75 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: If I hear one other voice, everybody's gonna They're gonna 76 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: be else or everyone's gonna lose. I don't think it's 77 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: quite like that. But at the same time, you want 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: a unified organization, you're gonna defer. The good ones will 79 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: defer to their GM, to their head coach, whoever. 80 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: It is. 81 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: That sort of a deal. But from everything I understand 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: about him, you know he's been less needs right hand 83 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: for ages and has been groomed for this and has 84 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: absorbed it and been involved in the whole thing and 85 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: was raised up the ladder and less spoke up for 86 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 2: him when he thought he was ready, not just hey, 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: I got a guy when he thought it was time 88 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: he was ready to speak up for him. Is what 89 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: I've been told on this, and let me tell you 90 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: some Let's need and bleep those picks is maybe the 91 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: most misunderstood chapter we've had in recent NFL history, because 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing in the short term, 93 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: but at the same time he had a long term strategy. 94 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: And we've had what one losing season after bleep those 95 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: picks and everything else has just been contending or going 96 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Come on, let need knows what he's doing. 97 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: They're hitting all the picks that they did have remaining. 98 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. 99 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but these picks now they've used them quite well. 100 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: Huge. Charles Davis with us from everything he does everything 101 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL, including the combine this week, So give 102 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: us the strongest combine position group. What are you most 103 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: excited to see? 104 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: I think you've probably heard it how many times you 105 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: want to say it together? Defensive Yeah, d line, right, 106 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: that's kind of where it goes. Plenty of offensive linemen, 107 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: a deep running back group, I believe always gonna be 108 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: a bunch of receivers, although maybe not as sexy at 109 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: the top. Again, amazingly enough. Right, so you have that 110 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: quarterbacks not the same as last year, but you have 111 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: two that that people are saying, Okay, they're probably gonna 112 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: go high for teams at need quarterbacks, and we're trying 113 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: to fare who the third quarterback is, right, is there 114 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: that third guy? Well, we'll see. It remains to be seeing. 115 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: Different teams have different flavors. This combine will help do it. 116 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: On the defensive side of the ball, corners in safety 117 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: is good group, but again not quite as sexy as 118 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: maybe we've had in the past. Linebackers good group, but 119 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: no one talks about linebackers have become running backs on 120 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, and then the defensive 121 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: front and edge rushers. I think, much more interior defensive 122 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: line than the edge guys. Although a dual carter might 123 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: make up for a pretty good number of people buy them. 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: So it's pretty decent. He's pretty good. 125 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah one, Yeah, he could he could go number one, 126 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: depending on how Tennessee values things. Depending on what kind 127 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: of offer Tennessee might get, someone might come up to 128 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: go get him as opposed to a quarterback. So there's 129 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: there's a lot of that that goes along with it. 130 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, and even if he doesn't go number one, 131 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: he might be the best player in this draft, you know, him, 132 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: Travis Hunt, depend on how you want to look at it, 133 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: but they would be vying for that. Like remember when 134 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: jay Len Carter was the best player in the draft 135 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: but got in trouble but we were here. 136 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, but. 137 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: It all came down here and that led to him sliding. 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: I'm doing Joey Triboni air quote, sliding to nine. 139 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: And look at him now, right, he's doing just fun. 140 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: I think he's doing pretty darn but he's really good. 141 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: I mean, just think he barely comes off the field 142 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: at that size. I watched him in a Divisional against 143 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: the Rams when the Rams had that last drive that 144 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: could have changed the whole balance of power and on 145 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: third down they gets a setting. On fourth down, he 146 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: affects the throw and Philadelphia escapes and goes home. The 147 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: best game that they had in the playoffs, the toughest 148 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: game they had was that game of the Rams. 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: Love that. Charles, Who are the Jaguars picking at number five? 150 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. I know you're gonna ask 151 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: me something like that. That's a really great question. I know. 152 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: That's why I asked her. 153 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, well, I know you have 154 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: an answer. I don't have an answer. I think that 155 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: for them. You know, obviously I have no idea. But 156 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: where James Gladstone wants to go with this, I have 157 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: no idea where the organization wants to go. But you're 158 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: looking at a group that I don't know that there's 159 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: anywhere you go that you don't have an opportunity to 160 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: say he's so the trite answer is best player available. Okay, 161 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: who's on your board? That's the best player available? Who 162 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: do you go get? But you've got to find a 163 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: way to get Trevor kickstarted. It's got to be someone 164 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: who can give him something. Do you have a receiver 165 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: that's so dynamic like a Jamar Chase that you turned 166 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: down the best off it's to tackle. 167 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: It's tough. 168 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: Do you think Will Campbell is that guy at LSU 169 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: people talk about arm length that maybe they move him 170 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: inside other people. No, no, no, no, he'd be fine. Rashaun Slater, 171 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: armlength isn't that great, but boy, no one, no, one's 172 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: Bob Bothering Slater at left tackle. So this is these 173 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: are the types of questions that are going to come up. 174 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: And we just talked about this. 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: But to me, to me, everything is about Trevor. But 176 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: I'm also having the conversation Trevor, you're coming along for 177 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: this right, like you're all in right because I gotta 178 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: have you. 179 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: We just talked about with similar conversation with Bucky earlier. 180 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: And Okay, maybe there's a receiver there or somebody that 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: can help score points. Yeah, but at some point to 182 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: build the offensive line, like they've talked about, you have 183 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: to make picks to build the offensive line. 184 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does it. Talking about doesn't quite get it 185 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: done right. And Cincinnati, the thing we have to remember 186 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: is when Cincinnati decided to go Jamar Chase, Joana Williams 187 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: was there on the roster and they decided that was 188 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: going to work for us. Who's your left tackle right 189 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 2: now with it? Walker Little? 190 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 191 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so Walker Little's your left tackle right now? Will 192 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: James Gladstone and group believe he is the left tackle 193 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: And if so, maybe you don't have to do that. 194 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're drafting Will Campbell and 195 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 2: just automatically making him a guard, maybe because he's pretty 196 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: darn good. Like the Titans took Peter Scronsky at seven 197 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: and made him a guard right away. We're not even 198 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: batting an eye anymore. How much money did the Panthers 199 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: spend last year on the two guards of a free agency, 200 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: Robert Hunt and Damian Yeah, a lot of money. But 201 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: guess what they feel comfortable with those guys now, and 202 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: they have those big, strong people in front of their 203 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: short quarterback, and the short quarterback play pretty well down stretch. 204 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: They're hoping to continue to see that growth. But that's 205 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: the old Sean Peyton model. That's how he did it 206 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: with Drew Brees and those guys in New Orleans help 207 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: to have success for Drew. 208 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: Last thought with you to get you out of here. 209 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: I know you're busy, been busy all day. Gladstone has 210 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: said it, Liam Cohen said it. This is not a 211 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: four win roster. Do you believe that. 212 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: You've seen me around your squad for the last two 213 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: three years. I am as much surprised as anyone that 214 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: the last two years have gone the way they've gone. 215 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: I really have no answer for it. I'm not close enough. 216 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: But I just know that two years ago my broadcast 217 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: crew we were with Jacksonville a decent amount because we 218 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: were expecting yeah, and it didn't happen. And then last 219 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: year justle was we didn't see them, We didn't see it. 220 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: But I thought last year was a chance for a 221 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: bounce back. Yere, it just didn't happen. There's talent there, 222 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: but you know how it goes to when things start 223 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: to go south and and the losing kicks in, sometimes 224 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: it's really hard to dig out of it, depending on 225 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: who your leadership is, how people handle things. Do people 226 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: believe the coach is going to be around, because that's 227 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: a big one because once a team Blavez coach isn't 228 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: going to be around. Good luck with that. 229 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: It's hard to get that back. 230 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: And I think I got the vibe that they thought 231 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: he was gone way earlier than it ever happened. So 232 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: you weren't getting anything out of them. You weren't getting 233 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: them back last right. 234 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: You see the NFLPA rankings, they they've said that pretty 235 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: much in the coaching part of it. 236 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I didn't see that. 237 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: Right it came out today, I think, oh wow. 238 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: So you know, hey, those things can be valuable if 239 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: you go and take a look at as an organization, 240 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: but fresh start yet again. Wish everyone luck there because 241 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't mind coming to see the Jacksonville Jaguars. That's 242 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: an easy drive for me. Plus, you know, I like 243 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 2: the people, I like the organization. It'd be a lot 244 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: of fun to see them back playing. Well. 245 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: It's always a lot of fun to spend time with you. Charles. 246 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Great to see you. 247 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for you. I have a great day. I know 248 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: you're worn out today. You're the star of the show that. 249 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: Could be out somewhere breaking rocks, you know, right, Yeah, 250 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: you and I are sitting here talking ball. How bad 251 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: any air conditioning? Right? Because anyone who's watching us, they're like, 252 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: oh really, it's that tough. And believe me, folks, we understand. 253 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: We work in the toy department. We get it. 254 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Charles Davis, NFL on CBS, NFL Media. You'll see when 255 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the Combine covers this week, sirius XM Radio. And that's 256 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: it from the Combine at Indy JP Shadwick with Mark Cross, 257 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: NFL media analysts. Good to see you again. 258 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 4: Good to be seeing, good to be back for I 259 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: don't know, twenty seven to twenty eight of these, I don't, 260 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: I lose track, it's that many. Yeah, I think my 261 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: first one was in nineteen ninety seven and a little 262 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 4: different times, well, completely different, I mean is back then 263 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: we just kind of and get our work done, get 264 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 4: out of here. Now it's just all the media and 265 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 4: the setups and fans here and all of that. 266 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: And it's going to keep getting worse too. Yeah, and 267 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: hopefully it stays in Indy. That's always kind of the talk. 268 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: Is going to get sold somewhere else and the highest bidder. 269 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the perfect It is there, it really is, 270 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: and of course they want to move it, generate more. 271 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 4: But for the working people, for everybody, this is the spot, 272 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: you know. 273 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: And there's an argument to be made that the working 274 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: part of it, the scouting part of it, but hey, 275 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: you know you could do a lot GPS wise now. 276 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 277 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is all the scouting and the secondary This 278 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: is all media that now built around some guys running 279 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 4: around on the field. 280 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: Let's cuss your thoughts on the Jaguars organization. Mister Kahn, 281 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: the Jags owner, has made more changes coaching. GM are 282 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: out and now here's Liam Cohen in from Tampa Bay. 283 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Here's James Gladstone, a thirty four year old general manager, 284 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: and here's Tony Boselli as the executive vice president of 285 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: football operations. Over your years in personnel departments and such, 286 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen a number of different setups. How 287 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: does this one compare and why could this be the 288 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: one that works? Could? 289 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: Could it could be the one that works? Well, let's 290 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: say let's start with that. Then youth brings about and 291 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: I'm all for youth. I started in the in the 292 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: NFL young, I was twenty three years old, became a 293 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 4: director of twenty eight, So youth, I'm all for that. 294 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 4: So this could be you know, new fresh ideas, guys 295 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: that have been at winning organizations and working together with 296 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 4: the same vision and goal. That's why it could work 297 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: because it seems as if, okay, these two young guys 298 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: know the pressures on, know how to work together to 299 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: build consistency. What I think that's really what the Jacksonville 300 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: is looking for is some sort of consistency and not 301 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: every couple of years we have change. 302 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: How it's been really for the last thirteen years especially, 303 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: and that's got to stop at some point. What do 304 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: you like about Liam Cohen as an offensive mind. 305 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, he did a lot of good stuff with Bake. 306 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: I mean when you watch you know, you can watch 307 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: certain offenses in the league and it's quarterback driven, and 308 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: it's a lot because what the quarterback does to make 309 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 4: the offense great. But when I watched Tampa, he did 310 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: a lot of neat stuff and you're and and put 311 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: Baker in positions to succeed and uh so just a 312 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: lot of I just they were fun. They were fun 313 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: to watch the stuff he did and always seems as 314 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: if he had an answer to what the defense was doing. 315 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: So they definitely were every every week watching Tampa's like, okay, 316 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 4: we're going to see some points and going to see 317 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: something innovative here. 318 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what the next step is for 319 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I think everybody is, you know, because he 320 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: obviously was the number one pick and was one of 321 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: the highest read prospects in a long time and has 322 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: the talent to do a lot of things, just hasn't 323 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: been able to live up to that. Year over year. 324 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: It was ascending a little bit and then it's gone 325 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: away and now another change on offense. But he's under 326 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: contract for six more years. He's gonna be a Jaguar, right, 327 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: He's getting his money. How do you make the most 328 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: out of Trevor? And what are your thoughts on the quarterback? 329 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's really he comes down to when 330 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: I watched Trevor, it's it's him, you know. I mean, 331 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: there's talent around him. He has to just iron out 332 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: the inconsistencies. I mean, that's going to be the word 333 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: of the day, well not the word of the day, 334 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: but our of our discussion here is just the inconsistencies 335 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: of the Jags organization and the inconsistencies of Trevor Lawrence 336 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: where you see the flash. And I think that's one 337 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: thing that people missed in the evaluation draft, evaluation process 338 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: of Trevor. And I was kind of on a boat 339 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: of my own where I did not think he was 340 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: this generational prospect and there were major concerns that I had, 341 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: and that the concerns I've seen them with him there. 342 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: It's just you've guys seen him spray balls and you've 343 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: seen him not see people, and it's it's that consistency 344 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 4: with the vision, the accuracy, the playmaking, and crucial situations 345 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: that he has to get to and of course his 346 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 4: playmaking group and the old line everybody has to get. 347 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: Better with that. 348 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: But I think the more Liam can get out of Trevor, 349 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 4: then everything else will flow from that. 350 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: You know. I've also seen a lot of drop passes 351 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: yeah for his receivers too. 352 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 4: Brian Thomas not throwing other people, yeah, and he didn't 353 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: really do that this year. 354 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: That's the other part of this thing. All the balls 355 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: to Brian Thomas, Caper mac Jones, right, So at some 356 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: point they've got to get together. And that's a great 357 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: opportunity for a quarterback to get on track when you 358 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: have a guy like Brian Thomas junior. And the way 359 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: he ascended is the season went on spectacular. 360 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. I during the draft process, I had Marvin one, 361 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: and then I had Ryan and and Elk and the 362 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 4: league right right right behind neck and neck. When I 363 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 4: watched LSU tape is like you go back and forth, 364 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: like which one of these guys I like better, so 365 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 4: that it's not a surprise at all that Brian Thomas 366 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: and then just watching him weekend and week out, like, man, 367 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 4: this guy is fantastic, as you guys see, and ain't 368 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: getting involved more. You know those jet sweeps you ran like, 369 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: he didn't do that stuff at Lshu. That was malite 370 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: that did all that stuff. So it even opened up 371 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 4: more of his bag of what he could do. And 372 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: I think there's even more ascension for him and more 373 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 4: talent that he's just going to explode. Schaguars defense was 374 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: right near the bottom in most every metric last year 375 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: and they've made changes there certainly, and they can make 376 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 4: a whole lot more on the personnel side, like the 377 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: middle of the defense, the D line, there was inconsistent 378 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 4: linebacker play. 379 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: And the safety play. When you're bad up the middle, 380 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: it's just tough to be a good defense. 381 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, there's just a lot of holes there, not 382 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: just up the middle, but even on the edges and 383 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 4: the consistent pressure and yeah, it was just again, you 384 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: gotta get better players in there. You gotta draft better, 385 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: you gotta make better free signings. And it then from that, 386 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 4: the it'll it'll grow. You hope, it'll be more stable 387 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 4: and you'll get better. And so there is hope. There 388 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 4: is hope because you know that Eagles d that what 389 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 4: they've done and put together over a year. You know 390 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: they were struggling last year and then they put it 391 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 4: together and had a fantastic year. So it seems as 392 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 4: if their pieces are there for the Jags to make 393 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: a run, and especially with that division. But it just 394 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 4: has to they have to make the right decisions and 395 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: have some consistencies. 396 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker had ten sax agon last year. Where were 397 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: you originally on that number one overall pick being Trayvon 398 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: instead of Hutchinson and what have you? What do you 399 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: like or not like about Trayvon's definitely was on the 400 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: hutch train on that one. A lot of people. 401 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think maybe the Jags might have been the 402 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: only ones not But you know, I think Trayvon has 403 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: been good and the numbers kind of may not. I don't, 404 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 4: but I don't watch them, and so you know, he's 405 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: he's really up there just wrecking Havoc all the time. 406 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: You know, there's those flashes and he makes some good 407 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: plays here and there. But as far as okay, every 408 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 4: game we have to account for treybon Walker and double 409 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 4: him and chip him and all that, I still don't 410 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 4: see that. I like the energy, I like the toughness, 411 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 4: I like, you know, the second effort and all that. 412 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: Stuff. 413 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: But as far as an elite guy, I still don't 414 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 4: see that in him. 415 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, a pure edge pass rusher is not him and 416 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I'd hate to have to block him all game because 417 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: he's a big, physical. 418 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: Yah h yeah, you love that and uh, now, just 419 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: get some other pieces so that he doesn't have to 420 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: be that that guy. 421 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these other pieces. NFL Draft 422 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: coming up. Jaguars have the fifth pick. Uh do you do. 423 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 4: Mock drafts like No I's three thousand mock draft. That's 424 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 4: one of the great the things we talked about things 425 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 4: changing back in the day was you know, one mock 426 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: draft the USA today had theirs and then uh Bushbomb, 427 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 4: there was like a couple and now I was like, okay, 428 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 4: here's more. Where now there's I mean, everybody has a 429 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 4: mock saying how many. 430 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: Money you can do a mock draft for twenty six draft? 431 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: Right now. I don't know how people do that. I don't. 432 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: It's you picked this one seven round mock drafts and stuff. 433 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: It's it's amazing. 434 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: What I was gonna ask you, who the Jags picking 435 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: it five or have you really even thought, yeah, I 436 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: don't the best player they should pick the pick the 437 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: best player available. 438 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 4: Well, you just have to look at the landscape. Okay, 439 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: they're not picking a running back. Uh, they're not going 440 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: to pick They're not going to pick a receiver because 441 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: I don't there. They've got a bunch there. And and then okay, 442 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 4: do we need O line as an O lineman that 443 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: worth that? 444 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. 445 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 4: Okay, corners, a great group of corners need some help 446 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: there as you mentioned, Uh, some some intriguing D line 447 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: type of players. So you know, whoever falls there with 448 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 4: the best value, the BET's who, that's who they should 449 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: take the new era here with the Jags as far 450 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: as take a great football player. 451 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: Love it. What's the rest of your day? Look like? 452 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: This was my last interview? 453 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: I think so yeah, this is my last interview and 454 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 4: got a meeting with the network and maybe hit happy hour. 455 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I might see you there, may maybe not. 456 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Who knows? Mark, thanks a lot man. Mark cross Winning 457 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: is from NFL Media Here at the Combine from the 458 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine and Indianapolis JP Shadwick with Mike Tannenbaum, 459 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: former Jets GM and front office insider for ESPN. Great 460 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: to see you, How are you good? To be with you. JP. Yeah, 461 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: busy day for you, busy week here at the NFL 462 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: Scouting Combine. Busy a couple months for the Jacksonville Jaguars 463 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: yet again, another offseason of change and really a three 464 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: prong front office now head coach, the GM, and EVP 465 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: of football operations in Boselli. Is that is that the 466 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: right way to go about it? I mean, there's different 467 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: ways to go about it and have winning results, but 468 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: this is one it feels like that mister conn has 469 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: not tried yet. Yeah. 470 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 5: Actually, Irockily, I've been part of two different structures. I 471 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 5: was the GM of the Jets. I was Executive VP 472 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 5: of for operations for the Dolphins, and there's pros and 473 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 5: cons to both. I think Tony Bocelli will do a 474 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 5: great job. These jobs have become much more vast, much 475 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 5: more complicated when you think about sports performance data, things 476 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 5: like that, analytics, So there's a lot to the job. 477 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: You know, the salary cap is now two hundred and 478 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: seventy five million dollars, having somebody on top of that 479 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 5: all the time, not to say that they had it 480 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: in the past, but I could see, you know, league wide, 481 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: if we're sitting here three to five years, JP that 482 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: more teams would be doing it right. 483 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: James Gladstone, thirty four years of age, director of Scouting 484 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Strategy for the Rams under less snead there for nine years, 485 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: kind of worked his way up in that organization. What 486 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: do you know about James? I mean, because it's not 487 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: like everybody, He's not a household name. 488 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, to be I don't know a 489 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 5: lot about him, but you know, to be with an 490 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 5: organization for nine years and move up, that says a 491 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 5: lot about him. Obviously, coming from an organization that has 492 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 5: a lot of success and more fundamentally, more so than 493 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: what anybody else thinks, Like Liam Conan had been with 494 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 5: him in the trenches, so obviously there must be a 495 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 5: lot of trust there. 496 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: Right. What's the the biggest roadblock something ahead that might 497 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: trip up a young GM and his first opportunity. Yeah. 498 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 5: I ran it to a young GM this morning and 499 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: we had a very similar conversation. I was the assistant 500 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 5: GM of the New York Jets for five years, and 501 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 5: when I became the GM, I had no idea what 502 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 5: I was getting myself into. So I can't even imagine 503 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 5: the guys that have to actually go to a new organization. 504 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 5: You just unless you sit in the sea, it's hard 505 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 5: to understand. But five things could come up about you know, 506 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 5: the West Coast scout doesn't like his title, or you 507 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 5: know the budget was X but it's going to be 508 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 5: why and your best player's you know, wife is pissed about, 509 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: you know, not having the right parking spot, and you 510 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 5: know you have to do a one on one with 511 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 5: you know, the in house media people, and the owner 512 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 5: wants to know what's going on today, and you know 513 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: that's before nine am, like so, and you want to 514 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 5: come in and watch film and start building your strategy. 515 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 5: And you know two people in your building are leaving unexpectedly, 516 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: and that's just running an organization. 517 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: What's wrong with the in house media people? Come on, Mike, 518 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Come on, man, of course, 519 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: Mike danim on from ESPN Liam Cohen, and I guess 520 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: it's a pretty good sign when a head coach now 521 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: but an assistant before had been to a college team, 522 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: went to a pro team, went back to the same 523 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: college team, same head coach, and then went back to 524 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: the same pro team again. In the Rams, it means 525 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: that he kind of left things in a right spot. 526 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: If he's leaving an organization. Going back twice, what is 527 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: your understanding of how Cohen goes about his business on 528 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: a day to day basis. 529 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, as a umask, I have a big 530 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: Lion Cone fan. You are so uh Look, I think 531 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you could look at 532 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 5: what they did on the offense last year in Tampa. 533 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 5: They were tough, they ran the ball, Baker Mayfield got better, 534 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 5: and I'm sure you know, from an ownership perspective, they're saying, Hey, 535 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 5: you know Trevor Lawrence, as you know, we could argue 536 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 5: has he been a B B minus? He hasn't been 537 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 5: what everyone thinks and hopes he can be. And I'm 538 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 5: sure a lot of the lens of like, hey, look 539 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 5: at what Lee and Cohne did with Baker Mayfield, Imagine 540 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: what he could do with Trevor Lawrence. 541 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: You know. And a lot of that, though, was injury induced. 542 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: In Tampa last year, they had to shift to the 543 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: running game and figure it out. Wide receivers are heard, 544 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: how do they adjust? And obviously it worked out well. 545 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: But on Trevor's part of it, he's been injured a 546 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: lot too. He hasn't been on the field. Some of 547 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: that is his own doing with head first diving, and 548 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: you got to coach him a little, you know, maybe 549 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: from himself a little bit. A lot of that's the 550 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. There's a lot to be built on the 551 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: offense here in Jacksonville. Where would you begin if you're 552 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: crafting it around Trevor the holes on Jacksonville's offense. 553 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's easy. It's it's upfront. My first draft is GM. 554 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 5: We drafted to Berkershaw, Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and they were 555 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 5: foundational players for the next decade. And you know, you 556 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 5: show me a good offensive line' let'll show you good offense. 557 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 5: You know, we could talk about Jalen Hurts and how 558 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 5: he was a second round pick. It all starts upfront 559 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 5: with them, with Jordan Malatta and company. So you know, 560 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 5: to me, it would be the offensive line. The offensive line. 561 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: The offensive line. I thought, you know, Brian Thomas, good player. 562 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 5: You know they have some your weapons there. But until 563 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 5: they get the offensive line solid fide, none of that's 564 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 5: gonna matter. 565 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about different players at number five. Oh, 566 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: could it be the guy from Colorado? Could it be 567 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: the defensive tackle all this, But if you're gonna build 568 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line, you gotta just build it, you know, 569 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: no matter. At some point you've got to start picking 570 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: these guys early in drafts. 571 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the wild Campbell's of the world and the 572 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 5: Banks from Texas, like you know, Josh Simmons from Ohio say, 573 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 5: I think some people will have him in that conversation. 574 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 5: But you get a building block up front. That's a 575 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 5: great place to start. You know, you could look at 576 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 5: what if there was a similarity to the Chargers, you 577 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: know they had Herbert Jacksonville has Lawrence Harbrough comes in. 578 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 5: You know, they take all which was a pretty you know, 579 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 5: you can kind of see that coming. And you know, 580 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 5: Joe All should be a long time player for them. 581 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 5: And likewise, with Lie and Cohen coming in, you know, 582 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 5: go get, go, get you know, a foundational offensive lineman. 583 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: All right, give us an AFC South picture of front 584 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: office stability right now, Let's go through the teams, if 585 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: you will, Uh, because Arie and Houston and what they've 586 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: built down there seems to be pretty good. 587 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, they hit a grand slam when you think about 588 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: Damico Ryans and look CJ. Stroud, maybe took a little 589 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: bit of step back, but they should have tremendous stability 590 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: between you know, Nick and Dimico for years to come. 591 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: Indy they got questions at quarterback and Chris Ballor has 592 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: been around here for a little bit. Now where's what's 593 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: the status in Indie? 594 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the big question is who's competing with 595 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson. You know, are you bringing in Gardner Minshew 596 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 5: or are you trying to go out and get Matthew 597 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 5: Stafford or Kirk Cousins Because you know, the quarterback position, 598 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't develop in a straight line, but 599 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: it's really important that you know, at the end of 600 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 5: the day, like they get winning quarterback play. 601 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: In Tennessee, a new world, Chad Brinker has the final 602 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: say according to the owner, and Mike Borganzi, there's the 603 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: GM and a couple of layers there. 604 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 5: In Nashville, it all comes down to Will Levis. 605 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: You know how well he plays. 606 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 5: And I think if I'm you know, Tennessee, I'm the 607 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 5: juxtaposition of cam Wards Door Sanders against what Will loves 608 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 5: could be. 609 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: And then in Jacksonville, of course we know the new 610 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: world here thirty third teams going pretty well you guys 611 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: are involved in the Jets search. 612 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a great opportunity for us. Learned 613 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 5: a lot and hopefully, you know, we help them make 614 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: some really good decisions. 615 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: Final thought with you here, who will the Jaguars pick 616 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: at number five? 617 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go back to your the best offensive lineman available, 618 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 5: you know, maybe that's Will Campbell. You know, again, get 619 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 5: a foundational offensive lineman that'll make everything better. 620 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: Thanks, Mike, appreciate you, Thank you, appreciate Youake Tannonbaum, front 621 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: office insider with ESPN from the NFL scouting Combine and 622 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: Indianapolis j P Shadwick with Greg co Sell of NFL 623 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Films and NFL matchup. Always a pleasure. I feel like 624 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: Combine is the place where we always get together. 625 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 3: I know, I feel like the super Bowl just happened yesterday. 626 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: We'll just wait until they move that back. 627 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: Away, I know. God, yeah, I think the super Bowl 628 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: will be July fourth soon. 629 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: Right right right into the off season for our. 630 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: Memorial Day weekend, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 631 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Amazing change in Jacksonville. We've heard that before. Yeah, it's 632 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: happened a good bit over the last fifteen years or so. 633 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: But now the three headed front office here, Liam Cohen, 634 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: the head coach, James Gladstone, the GM. Tony Bisselli is 635 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: in there as the EVP. 636 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: You remember when I interviewed Tony Bisselli and Mark Brunell 637 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: as players years and years ago in Jacksonville, and Jimmy 638 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: Smith and Keenan McCardell and Jeff Lagerman. Yeah, us, yeah, yeah, 639 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: when I was dead this guy, Hey, you know, Tony Bisselli. 640 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, it's obviously he didn't make the 641 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but I always thought that Tony Bisselli 642 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: and I don't fancy myself an offensive line guru, but 643 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: I thought he was the best left tackle that i'd seen, 644 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: you know, since Anthony Munos. And it's just a shame 645 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: that his career was cut short. He was for a 646 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: guy who was that big. It looked like his waist 647 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: was like thirty one inches, you know, I mean, it 648 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: was unbelievable. It still looks that way. 649 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Well for a while, doesn't. Okay, another story. Did you 650 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: hear he blocked Bruce Smith in a game. We've heard that. 651 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: A lot, you know what, I'm familiar with that, ok Yeah, 652 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: we heard right right right right every week? See the 653 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: thing is I've been around long enough to have actually 654 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: seen that. 655 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, funny. All right, so let's get into Liam Cohen, 656 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and you know, we know the how it all kind 657 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: of went down, the process of the interviews, that's all 658 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: in the rear view. Now he's here his impact last 659 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: year in Tampa Bay with that offense in Baker Mayfield. 660 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: They had some injuries last year receiver and they started. 661 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: To run the football they did, and well. 662 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: So that helps obviously the quarterback a good bit. What 663 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: stood out the most about their offense and Liam and 664 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: what he put in there. 665 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say the run game because obviously 666 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: most people know that he cut his teeth a bit 667 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: with the Rams. He actually was at Kentucky the year 668 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: that Will Levis had a terrific season at Kentucky. So 669 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: but what struck me about the Bucks run game last 670 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: year was how multiple it was. Because you know, everybody assumes, hey, 671 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: he was with the Rams, so it's the zone run game, 672 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: you know, the McVeigh run game. But I thought they 673 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: did a really really good job with the multiplicity of 674 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: the run game and the way they got to base run. 675 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 6: See. 676 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: The main thing in the run game there's not a 677 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: thousand run concepts, so it's really how you get to them. 678 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: It's funny. I had this conversation with a coach this 679 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: morning because and I even asked him. I said, you know, 680 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: you hear people say so and so it's a really 681 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: good run game. Coach, like, what does that mean? You 682 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: know you're a defensive guy, what does that mean? And 683 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: you know, he talked about how teams get to runs, formations, motions, 684 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, misdirection looks, you know, but the then when 685 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: the run happens, Like I said, there's not a thousand 686 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: of them. 687 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: There's only a few holes there. We got to hit 688 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: one of them. 689 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's their zone concepts, there's gap scheme concepts, 690 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 3: there's you know, duo, there's you know, there's not there's 691 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: not so many concepts. So it's how you get to them. 692 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: Do you use a lot of motion? Do you get 693 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: to them in semi unconventional ways? You know? And I 694 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: thought Liam Cohen did a really really good job of 695 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: that last year because the reality is Bucky Irving is 696 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: one hundred ninety five pounds, so you know, you have 697 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: to find ways where you're not just running him up 698 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: into the line of scrimmage, you know, So I just 699 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: thought that, you know, most people probably think of Liam 700 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: Cohen pass game, Rams McVeigh, what he did with Will Levis. 701 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure that's all been documented, you know, 702 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. But you know, the run game I found 703 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: to be really fascinating, and. 704 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: Then Baker off the run game. 705 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's you know, the play action element, which you know, 706 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: I'm a believer, you know again, you know, maybe it's 707 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 3: my personal point of view, but I'm a believer in 708 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 3: under center play action. And the reason I am is 709 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: because it takes longer to get to the mesh point. 710 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: Because what are you trying to do with play action. 711 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: You're trying to cause indecision and conflict for players is 712 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 3: on defense that have both a run and a pass responsibility. 713 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: So the longer that you can create that indecision and conflict, 714 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: to me, is better. Whereas shotgun runs. I'm not saying 715 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: you should never have a shotgun run game, but it's 716 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: so quick, it's so quick sense there's there's almost really 717 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: no indecision and conflict that's presented to those players. So 718 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in the under center what I 719 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: call the conventional play action pass game, and I think 720 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: you'll see that Greg. 721 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: Co Sell with U NFL Films. Trevor Lawrence has six 722 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: years left on his. 723 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: Contract, which I had six years left on my contract. 724 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's here, He's gonna be here. 725 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: He's the Oh no, he's the quarterback. 726 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what did you what what stood out the 727 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: most during the pre draft process about him? That you remember, 728 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: where has he met some of those criteria and where 729 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: has he lacked? And you know what's. 730 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: I can remember the pre draft process very well because 731 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 3: it was not his fault that people started saying he's 732 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 3: a generational player. I would never use that term about 733 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: anybody that's never played in the NFL. That's not his fault. 734 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: Clearly the best quarterback of that draft. 735 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: Though I'm trying to remember who was in that draft. 736 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Would have been look it up because we were just 737 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: thinking about number one. 738 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: Well, the point is is there were a couple of 739 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: things I thought that he needed to clearly work on 740 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 3: when he got to the next level. He's a big, 741 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: long kid, so he's a strider, okay, and guys who 742 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: were striders, I always think about how they're going to 743 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: function in squeezed pockets, which you see far more of 744 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL than in college. I actually remember talking 745 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: to a coach who was in the NFL at the 746 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: time he's not now, who had done you know, he 747 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: was a quarterback coach, so he had done all the quarterbacks, 748 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: and he had said that there was so much in 749 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 3: the Clemson offense that was just not really NFL stuff 750 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: that it was hard in some ways to really get 751 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: a feel for some of the things you knew he 752 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 3: would have to do in the league. He didn't make 753 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: many throws at Clemson where there were squeeze pockets. Now, 754 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: I watched probably ten games his last year, and I 755 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: think I even watched some of his tape the year 756 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 3: before because I'm trying to find those plays. And because 757 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: he's such a strider, there were times I thought that 758 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: the few times that he did face squeeze pockets, that 759 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 3: he would hurry himself because he's a strider. You know, 760 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: he's not the kind of guy. He's not compact, and 761 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: he needs space, so he would hurry himself and that 762 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: would lead to a little bit of inaccuracy, less than 763 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 3: precise ball location. So I always thought that that was 764 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: something that I'd be very curious to see in the NFL. 765 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: And I think he has a good arm. But I 766 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: remember talking to a coach who coached him, he was 767 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: on staff in Jacksonville, and he said, you know, he's 768 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: got a good arm, but he does not have a 769 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 3: big arm. And I remember saying that a couple of 770 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 3: years ago, and of course on social media people acted 771 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 3: like I didn't know anything, and I felt like saying, yeah, 772 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 3: a guy who coached told me that. So I didn't 773 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: say that, but I mean, you know that's you know 774 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: how that goes, you know, yeah, no, no, no, So, 775 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: so I mean he's got he can you know. The 776 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: other the other phrase I love and which means nothing 777 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: to me, is well he can make all the throws. Well, 778 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily true. I'm not saying this about Trevor, 779 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: but you know people say that about guys. Did you 780 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: ever notice they say that about guys who can't make 781 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: all the throws? You never hear someone say Matthew Stafford 782 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 3: can make all the throws. Because Matthew Stafford can make 783 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 3: all the it's like not even a question. It is 784 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 3: what it is. It's the guys that can't make all 785 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: all the throat. Right, it's the guys that have arms 786 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 3: that are not quite there that people say, well, he 787 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 3: can make all the throat. Well, no he can't, or 788 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 3: you wouldn't have to say that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 789 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: Other quarterbacks in that draft class, by the way, Zach Wilson, 790 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: Trey Lance right, justin fields. 791 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 3: He was the best quarterback in the draft class. Mac Jones. Yeah, 792 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 3: he was the best quarterback in the draft class. And 793 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 3: I'm not sure there was a question. I mean, Zach 794 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: Wilson probably had a stronger arm, but he wasn't as 795 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: good a quarterback prospect overall. 796 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: Greg go Sell with us NFL Films Brian Thomas Jr. 797 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: As the season went along, loved him. They didn't throw 798 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: him the football the first time. 799 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because you know what I said in 800 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 3: my evaluation of him. I said, because obviously played with 801 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors, who was the bigger prospect, and obviously Mylik 802 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: Neighbors turned out to be very good as well. But 803 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 3: I said that Brian Thomas would be an as sending 804 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: player and he'd get better as he played in the league. 805 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 3: So that's the way I felt watching his tape, and 806 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 3: obviously it worked out that way, you know. And he 807 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 3: worked with TJ. Houschman Za. I don't know if you 808 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 3: knew that. Yeah, And I know TJ well, and we 809 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: talked about him last year at the Combine. And TJ, 810 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: who I respect greatly, obviously knows more about the receiver 811 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 3: position than I do. He said to me, said, you 812 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 3: watch Brian Thomas. I'm working with him. This kid's going 813 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 3: to be special. So when he told me that, you know, 814 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: that even raised my belief that, you know, this kid's 815 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 3: going to be a really good pro quickly. 816 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: A lot of his touches came from mac Jones at 817 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: the end of the sea. Yeah, he's got to get 818 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: on the same page. 819 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: For well, you know that's got an off season now 820 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 3: for that with a new coach. I mean, you know, 821 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 3: that's the way it. 822 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: Works, how I mean, this is going to be the 823 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: third offense in the NFL for Trevor. Yeah. 824 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 3: And and and by the way, that's an issue, you know, 825 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 3: because every time you have to learn a new offense, 826 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 3: it's like learning a new language. I mean, I've had 827 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: coaches tell me that, you know, you know, you come 828 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 3: in a coach coaches, he's teaching you French. If that 829 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 3: coach gets fired the next year, you have to learn Spanish. 830 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 3: Then if he gets fired the next year, you got 831 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 3: to learn German. And you know, people just assume that 832 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 3: that stuff's easy because the concepts are not necessarily totally different. 833 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 3: You know, in some cases they're the same, but the 834 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 3: presentation of them is totally different. 835 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: You got to establish This is what they're establishing now, right, 836 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: all the coaches just fired. They're having staff meetings here 837 00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: at the Combined or to work. 838 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 3: Who's who's the o C Grant Yudinsky was with the 839 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 3: younger right twenty nine? Yeah, you all right, you know, 840 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 3: and I have no problem. I mean, well, let me 841 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 3: put it this way. Who's the quarterback coach? You know? 842 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: Whipple? Spencer Whipple? 843 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 3: Was he the son of Mark Whipple, the old I believe, 844 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 3: so okay, yeah, he might be young too. 845 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: They are all young. 846 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how that works, you know, 847 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 3: we'll see how that all works out. 848 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it'll be fascinating to see. Let's go through 849 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: the AFC South quarterback situations quickly before we get out of. 850 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 3: Here, and there was only one that's really good Houston, right, Yeah, 851 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 3: Jacksonville's not really good. No, I mean of the other teams. Okay, yeah, 852 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: you were saying the AFC. We just finished talking. I 853 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 3: assume we finished talking Jacksonville. So when you said AFC South, 854 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: I thought you meant Indy, Tennessee, and Houston. 855 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: Those are the teams in the South. Yeah, start with Houston. 856 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got out. They got a good quarterback. 857 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 3: I think he went through a little bit of a 858 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 3: learning process this year and figuring some things out, and 859 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: I think he will figure it out. He had to 860 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 3: play this year in his second year out of more 861 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 3: squeeze pockets than he did as a rookie, and he 862 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 3: started to play a little fast at times, and he 863 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 3: missed some routine throws which we never saw him miss 864 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 3: as a rookie. So I think he you know, he 865 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 3: went through a learning that's the nature of the NFL. 866 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 3: I mean it's not easy. So but he's a good player. 867 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 3: He's not going to be a bad player. 868 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: Here in Indye news this week that there's gonna be 869 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: a competition with Anthony Richardson, and I mean the competition 870 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: so far has been Richardson, is he going to be 871 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: on the field or not. He's been banged up, he's 872 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: been inconsistent when he's been out there. What's your fee 873 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: or your feel on Richardson's future. 874 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: I'll answer it this way. I remember a number of 875 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 3: years ago at a Super Bowl having a great conversation 876 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 3: with Troy Aikman, and he said something that totally resonated 877 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: with me. And I've said it many times through the 878 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 3: years because it is one hundred percent true. And that 879 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 3: happens a lot. You know, someone a coach or a 880 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 3: player like Troy, who's obviously very smart, says something and 881 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 3: as soon as they say it, it's like, yeah, that's right, 882 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 3: but they say it in a way where it just, 883 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 3: you know, resonates in your brain til you've had that, 884 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 3: it just resonates differently. Yes, And he said to me, 885 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 3: you can do everything right as a quarterback, but if 886 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 3: you can't throw it where you want to, you've got nothing. 887 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 3: And unfortunately Anthony Richardson can't really throw it where he 888 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 3: wants to do. And I'm not trying to be funny, no, 889 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 3: he you know, same thing in Florida. Yeah, I mean 890 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 3: he just can't really throw it where he wants to 891 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 3: with enough consistency and regularity and obviously he's got a 892 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 3: running element, and the thought was that that could help 893 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 3: him as he grows into being a better quarterback. 894 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: But he just. 895 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: Misses too many throws. I mean, when you design plays 896 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 3: and call plays and put it to game plan together 897 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 3: and you feel like, hey, we've got a really good 898 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 3: approach against this defense, We've got really good route concepts 899 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 3: against what we know we're going to face from such 900 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 3: and such a defense, and your quarterback just misses routine throws. 901 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 3: It's just too hard. And I don't know if that 902 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 3: can be fixed. Maybe it can, maybe. I mean, I'm 903 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 3: not a coach, I'm not with him every day, but 904 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 3: right now, you know you'd see him. You know, I 905 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 3: think I've watched every game he's played in the in 906 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 3: the league, and I think his last year at Florida, 907 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 3: I watched nine or ten of his games, and you know, 908 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 3: he'll make some throws that are truly wow throws. You 909 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 3: kind of go, oh my god, that's just a ridiculously 910 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 3: good ball. And that happens, you know, once every three weeks, 911 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 3: and it's just it's just not good enough. I mean, 912 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 3: and I'm look, Shane, I'm not saying anything out of 913 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 3: school here. Shane Steichen's pretty much said that it's not 914 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 3: good enough. That's why there's a quarterback on Petiuly, Yes, 915 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 3: it's not good enough. 916 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: It's where they are. Yeah, that's where they are in 917 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 1: Tennessee right now too, Will Levis. 918 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 3: And that's I mean, I think it's it's kind of unspoken, 919 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 3: but we all know that. I don't think Brian Callahan 920 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 3: thinks Levis is their answer. So they have the first 921 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 3: pick in the draft. You know, this is the beginning 922 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 3: of the process. We'll see do they keep it. If 923 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 3: they keep it, do they draft a quarterback? If they do, 924 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 3: they trade it, and who knows. We don't know the 925 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,760 Speaker 3: answer to that, but I don't think I think they've 926 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 3: made it kind of clear without you know, putting up 927 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: a big sign that they preferred not Will Levitch to 928 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 3: be the starter. 929 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: Week one final thought with you Jaguars at number five, 930 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: who's the pick? 931 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know who the pick is. Come on, 932 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 3: we gotta now, we gotta start walking through the roster. 933 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: Well, we got all day. We say, you're all day. 934 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think they probably would look at corner, 935 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know, 936 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 3: you know, where Travis Hunter gets drafted, and I like 937 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is a corner. I don't think he's the 938 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 3: level of prospect, for instance of Patrick's Ertan, but I 939 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 3: think he's a good corner prospect. I'm trying to think 940 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 3: of that. 941 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: Rodre are you on defensive tackles, Mason Graham, they need 942 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: some girl in the middle. 943 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 2: You know. 944 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 3: I had this conversation with his scout the other morning. 945 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 3: We had breakfast, and he's been a personnel director, college 946 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 3: pro he's been in the twenty six years, and we 947 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 3: had a great conversation about Mason Graham. Because I like 948 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 3: Mason Graham, but I don't love Mason Graham. And I 949 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 3: can and you know me well enough to know I 950 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 3: always have a reason. Doesn't mean, hey, I can be wrong, 951 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, but I don't just say, oh, I don't 952 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 3: like a guy. There's a reason. Think about the best 953 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 3: d tackles in the NFL. They all have a power 954 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 3: element to their game. Mason Graham does not have a 955 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 3: higher level power element to his game. He's so much 956 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 3: fun to watch because he's a movement guy. He's quick, 957 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 3: he's explosive, he's he almost plays like a running back. 958 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 3: But there's not a big time power element to his game. Now, 959 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 3: he's a young kid. I hear, he's a great kid. 960 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say that in three 961 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 3: years he's not gonna be great. But right now I 962 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 3: don't see that, and that just I don't want to 963 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 3: say it worries me. But you know, I just the 964 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,359 Speaker 3: great ones have power elements in their game. 965 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: Got to see you bull rusher guy, Yeah. 966 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 3: You got you know, you got to be able to 967 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 3: be the guy there. Yeah, yeah, you know, not constantly 968 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 3: work half a man and work around him and you know, 969 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 3: you know it was a. 970 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: Good power players Trayvon Walker, he's the one that, yes, 971 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: they are all the time. 972 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,919 Speaker 3: I mean, think of guys in your division. Just think 973 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 3: how country strong Jeffrey Simmons is. Yeah, I mean you 974 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 3: can just move people absolutely, yeah, I mean yeah, all right, 975 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 3: So there you go. 976 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: There's the answer. 977 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 3: Hey, so I have a reason. Maybe I'll be wrong. 978 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, it wouldn't be the first time. And believe me, 979 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, I get told about it, you know. 980 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: Uh huh, just go on Twitter. 981 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, people, Well I love when people tell me JP 982 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 3: that that's an interesting take. I don't really do takes. 983 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 3: You know, I watched I watched the tape. You know, 984 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 3: I worked seventy five hours a week watching tape. I 985 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 3: don't really do takes. 986 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: Greg, you're the best. All right, thanks for the time. 987 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: All right, Greg, here at the combine nnd JP Shadwick 988 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: with Ret Lewis of NFL Media. Let's go. It's been 989 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: a day for you. It's coming to a close. Thanks 990 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: for stuff and buy. 991 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 7: Oh my pleasure man, love to talk some duvall and 992 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 7: uh and see what's going on and picked number five 993 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 7: and with a brand new power structure. 994 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 6: I mean, there's so much to be excited about. 995 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: You said it, right, Yeah about that, you know, but yes, 996 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: I gotta work on it with it. 997 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 7: It's a yeah, I think we understand. But there's always 998 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 7: room to grow, you know, right, Yeah. 999 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: It's it is a new era, clearly three pronged new 1000 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: era from the Jaguars, Tony Boselli, Gladstone, yeah, and of 1001 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: course Liam Cohen. So let's start with Gladstone. 1002 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 7: Sure, what do you know about this guy other than 1003 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 7: the Rams absolutely adored him and that he really you know, 1004 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 7: kind of built his his own path there. And I 1005 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 7: think that's, uh, that's to be commended. In this world 1006 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 7: where a lot of people, you know, land on third base, 1007 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 7: and I think they had a triple right, And this 1008 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 7: feels like a guy who's obviously still you know, young 1009 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 7: in his journey, but you know, it's been a rapid 1010 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 7: riser and I think has learned from some really savvy 1011 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 7: people uh in Los Angeles and has learned you know, 1012 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 7: in the last couple of years. Probably wouldn't impact just 1013 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 7: pounding the draft with with big guys up front on 1014 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball, what that could do 1015 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 7: for your fortunes and winning with you know, day two 1016 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 7: and Day three picks, and it doesn't have to all 1017 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 7: be about first rounders because as you know, sometimes you 1018 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 7: got to have those picks. 1019 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: That's what they did, yeah, a little while, and then 1020 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: but you got to hit the other picks for you 1021 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: to do that, and that's that's also a job. Yeah, 1022 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: you know, he's strouting all those guys exactly. So now 1023 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: he's got his own job here now, Liam Cohen. You know, 1024 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: it's a good sign if you've gone to a place 1025 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: left and then get to go back to a place twice. Yeah, 1026 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: he did that at Kentucky, he did that in La Yeah, 1027 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: and then of course, had his own OC gig in 1028 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: Tampa and got Baker going. 1029 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1030 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: So now Liam Cohen a thirty nine year old head coach, 1031 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: and you know what was it about last season in Tampa? 1032 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: How did he turn Baker in that offense into what 1033 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: they were? And can he replicated something like that here? 1034 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 6: Well, I think they got better run in the football. 1035 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 7: They were good running the football, and and I think 1036 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,240 Speaker 7: that that you know, obviously drafting and hitting on Bucky 1037 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 7: Irving was was incredible to and and it kind of 1038 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 7: felt like it brought the best out of Rashad White 1039 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 7: at times too. So you know, if I'm Travis etn, 1040 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 7: I probably feel pretty good about this, about the way 1041 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 7: that that run game. And look, I think you know, 1042 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 7: Liam probably also saw the benefit of a young Studeley 1043 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 7: offensive line. And you know, looking at the way that 1044 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 7: the jack that the Jaguars have tried to kind of 1045 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 7: fortify that group, and you know, whether you want to say, 1046 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 7: couldn't get them get the most out of Cam Robinson, 1047 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 7: you know, and now he's off in Minnesota or you know, 1048 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 7: like and now can you find a way to retool 1049 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 7: that group kind of in the way that that Tampa 1050 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 7: had You know, right before Liam got there, and that 1051 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,760 Speaker 7: was one of, now one of the best. 1052 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 6: Units in the league. 1053 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 7: So I think, you know, continuing to fortify an offensive front, 1054 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 7: finding backs that fit the way that you want to 1055 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 7: run the football, committing to it. I mean, look at 1056 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 7: Helps having a Hall of Famer in Mike Evans, you know, 1057 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 7: and so you're building that profile with Brian Thomas and 1058 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 7: what BTJ did as a rookie, I mean is extremely 1059 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 7: attractive to me now in Liam's system, and. 1060 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: Think about with with Brian most of his looks with 1061 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: Mack Jones sort of the football late in the season 1062 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't early there was a one game three. 1063 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 7: Times right right, and yeah, early on it kind of 1064 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 7: mimicked what we saw with Marvin Harrison, you know out 1065 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 7: in Arizona, like it had you know, had some flashes, 1066 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 7: but couldn't consistently. 1067 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 6: Get that that high level production. 1068 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 7: So I man, just just really intrigued there with with 1069 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 7: where they're at. And I think, you know, obviously, anytime 1070 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 7: you get an offensive minded head coach that comes in, 1071 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 7: you know, makes you really intrigued what that first draft 1072 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 7: pick is going to look like. But again, you know, 1073 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 7: bringing James Gladstone in also, you know, kind of paints 1074 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 7: a picture of what he kind of came up into 1075 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 7: and how they work together. And this is a lengthy process, 1076 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 7: right that. Yeah, and so it did not have you know, 1077 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 7: kind of just happened upon this lightly. So it it 1078 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 7: feels like they're going to have really solid bond in 1079 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 7: relationship on what each fields they need to get this 1080 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,919 Speaker 7: team back to a consistent championship level. 1081 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 1: Gladstone was what offered Friday, excepted Saturday and reduced Monday 1082 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. 1083 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 7: Here we are here. Tuesday, he was here. It was 1084 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 7: here again. 1085 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's one of those whirlwind moments. It certainly 1086 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't like the cleanest end of the season. Doug 1087 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 1: Peterson gets fired and then they go through the first 1088 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 1: round and then Balkey gets run out. So now we 1089 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,240 Speaker 1: are here. Welcome, Welcome to the table. 1090 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 6: Thank you. 1091 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: Brett lewis with us in NFL media and the Baselli 1092 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: part of this thing is intriguing too. Yeah, first ever 1093 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: draft pick in team history. He's been a contributor to 1094 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: the team media side for the last ten twelve years. 1095 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: But I get a lot of stuff going on outside 1096 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 1: the building too, and has to give it all up. 1097 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: Because this is a dream opportunity for Bisselli to be 1098 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: part of this process. And how much of it we'll 1099 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: see as it goes. But hey, he's the EVP. 1100 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 7: And look, I think this is a this is the 1101 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,080 Speaker 7: guy that's obviously built a life in football and you know, 1102 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 7: has been around when things were really good in Jacksonville, 1103 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 7: and you know, knows what the potential of this franchise 1104 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 7: can be when it gets back to that spot. And 1105 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 7: then it's obviously seen it, you know, as you mentioned, 1106 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 7: you know, whether it was on you know, Westwood calling 1107 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 7: games or whether it was you know, when Tony was 1108 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 7: up there, you know, in the booth, or you know, 1109 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 7: has seen and stayed with trends that work in the league. 1110 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 7: And I think that's obviously really important too. When you're 1111 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 7: bringing back a legend, you know, is it a figurehead 1112 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,800 Speaker 7: or is it a guy who's actually still been connected 1113 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 7: to the game. 1114 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 6: And that's obviously what you got in Tony. 1115 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 7: So you just added in another kick ass you know 1116 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 7: football mind, Like let's go. You know, it's like that's 1117 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 7: your I don't I don't say this comparison lightly, but 1118 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 7: it's like you're you're Tom Brady almost you know with 1119 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 7: the Raiders, like, why would you not knock down the 1120 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 7: door and find out what Tony thinks about all these players, 1121 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 7: about all these opportunities in the same way that the 1122 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 7: Raiders are doing with Brady feels a little bit like 1123 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 7: layaway with the Bronco. 1124 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens. Yeah, almost a minister of culture if 1125 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: we were in that would be his title. Let's get 1126 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: to this draft now, and you know, well the Jags 1127 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: are in the top five again, yep, yep, what it is. 1128 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: We know the needs right defensive line, Yeah, safety, corner, interior, 1129 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: O line. Are those stacked positions? 1130 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 7: D line certainly stands out the most. I imagine I'm 1131 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 7: not the first person to sit in this seat and 1132 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 7: say that, and I imagine I won't be the last, 1133 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 7: although maybe, But I mean that group and and that 1134 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 7: is that is a chance now for uh, for Jacksonville 1135 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 7: to get the best player at the deepest positioning group, 1136 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 7: deepest position in the draft, and that's Mason Grant from Michigan. 1137 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 7: I'm sure you've heard that name a million times. It 1138 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 7: would just it would make a ton of sense to me. Again, 1139 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 7: you go back to the way, uh, and look, I 1140 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 7: know this signed Eric Armstead and and you know, you 1141 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 7: you try to tried finding ways to get in, you know, 1142 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,800 Speaker 7: to bring that group up. And you know you draft 1143 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 7: obviously in Josh Allen and and and Treyvon Walker and 1144 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 7: so it feels like you spend a lot of resources there, right, 1145 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 7: But don't let that sway you from spending another big 1146 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 7: one on a guy who could you know, again be 1147 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 7: another ten year. 1148 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,799 Speaker 6: Pro Bowl type player. Look at what the Eagles do? 1149 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 7: You know, we keep coming back to that as kind 1150 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 7: of the north star of this draft process, considering they 1151 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 7: just you know, won their second Super Bowl in five years, 1152 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 7: and they keep they kept hammering up front, right, just 1153 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 7: kept hammering away, both on the offensive end defensive runt, 1154 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 7: but specifically on the defensive side of the wall, both 1155 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 7: in the first round and then into even Day three 1156 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 7: where they got Josh Sweat, Right. So I think that 1157 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 7: is that is a formula that has proven time and 1158 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 7: time again to work in this league. 1159 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: If Travis Hunter is there at five, though, can you 1160 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: resist that? 1161 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 6: Do the Jaguars vieume as a defensive backers or receiver? 1162 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 7: I think is a big question there, right, you know, 1163 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 7: because you just you know, again, you took a marquee 1164 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 7: player with a marquee resource at at the receiver spot 1165 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 7: a year ago, and he turned out to be a 1166 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,479 Speaker 7: pretty dang good player. 1167 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 1: And Brian Thomas, they traded back twice what yeah, twice 1168 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 1: to get to him. 1169 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, still got it and still ended up getting him. 1170 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 7: I think if you view him as a defensive back 1171 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,760 Speaker 7: that it certainly fits because he will still help your offense. 1172 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 7: I think if you view him as a receiver, I 1173 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 7: find it harder to be a receiver and go spend 1174 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,200 Speaker 7: some time on defense than to be a dB and 1175 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 7: spend some time on offense. So if they view Hi 1176 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 7: as a receiver like the Browns do at number two one, 1177 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 7: maybe he's not even on the on the board at 1178 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 7: this point, but I would, I guess, feel a little 1179 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 7: bit more comfortable with making him the pick. If it's 1180 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,160 Speaker 7: all right, we're gonna run him at dB and then 1181 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 7: let's see what happens after that. 1182 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you played college wide receiver. Can you 1183 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: believe what this guy's doing? No, it's unbelievable. 1184 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, like i'd get winded in a you know, 1185 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 7: a sixty places scrimmage, much less playing one hundred and 1186 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 7: twenty five. You know snaps in an actual game, so uh, 1187 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,239 Speaker 7: credit to him. Incredible athlete. I think you worry about 1188 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 7: durability a little bit. He is a slender frame, but 1189 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 7: most dudes don't touch him, you know. But again, you're 1190 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 7: gonna have to get physical at corner, and so how 1191 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 7: do you hold up on that front? 1192 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,800 Speaker 6: And in this league? I think it's a question. 1193 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: Let's finish up here with the offensive line, and the 1194 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: Jaguars are pretty much set up at the tackles seems 1195 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: like at least for the short term future left guard 1196 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: has a contract center and right guard or veteran guys 1197 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: who knows how long they're going to play, and the 1198 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: eleventh year guys Mitch Morrison, Brandon Sheriff. So what about 1199 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: interior offensive line in this draft? What what stands out 1200 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: the most there? Where would you begin? 1201 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 7: Well, I think you're you're less unless you you pull 1202 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 7: the trigger. It's at at five. I think you're gonna 1203 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 7: miss on on Gray's Abel from North Dakota State, who 1204 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,840 Speaker 7: is probably the best interior offensive lineman in this draft. 1205 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,240 Speaker 7: Booker from Alabama is a is a good player too 1206 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 7: at the guard spot. Is Abel, though, is probably the 1207 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,880 Speaker 7: best center in the draft. I think you can play anywhere, 1208 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 7: and kind of helps you that way with his versatility. 1209 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 7: I think further on down the line, i'd look at 1210 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 7: a player like like Joonah Manheim from USC. Uh has 1211 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 7: played all over the offensive line at USC but really 1212 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 7: found a home at center. So I think that that 1213 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 7: could be something day two, maybe later later on in 1214 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 7: day two, that would make some sense there. I think 1215 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 7: you had a pretty good Senior Bowl. 1216 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: That's the thing with this. With the Stakes team, they 1217 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: don't have developmental lineman right now, guys that are on 1218 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 1: the shelf waiting that they've been developing. So they need deep, 1219 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, later round guys to work on. 1220 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And look, it's hard. It's hard 1221 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,760 Speaker 7: in this this is not a developmental league like yeah. 1222 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,479 Speaker 1: Better went back, yeah, exactly six years. 1223 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 6: It's it's it's hard to do that. 1224 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,880 Speaker 7: But you know, I think you know, Kelvin Banks, you know, 1225 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 7: could be you know, Nimbu from Missouri is a guy. Again, 1226 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 7: these are first round type of players, so I think 1227 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 7: you're gonna you'd be hard pressed there unless you're moving back, 1228 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,359 Speaker 7: you know, which could certainly happen. 1229 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 6: I just don't know. 1230 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 7: There's a ton of guys who want a ton of 1231 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 7: teams who want to move up in this draft. 1232 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 6: Everyone's talking about trades. 1233 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 7: Only two quarterbacks, right, they really worthy of moving moving up? 1234 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 7: What it would take to move up, or you're getting 1235 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 7: a bargain moving up this year because you know the 1236 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 7: class isn't quite what it was in recent years. So 1237 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 7: I think it's a lot to kind of consider on 1238 00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 7: that front. But there are there are definitely interior offensive 1239 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 7: linemen in this group, and there's definitely some that you're 1240 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 7: gonna be able to find beyond Day one. Paths to 1241 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 7: the Draft give us March Arny first. We're starting it up. 1242 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 7: We got a big first week. We're gonna in week 1243 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 7: one with Shredeor Sanders Pro Day from Colorado, so we'll 1244 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 7: have that in addition to a path episode. We also 1245 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 7: have Cam Wartz Pro Day coming up before Path starts, 1246 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 7: so we got a lot of draft stuff hitting the 1247 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 7: airwaves here and at NFL Media. 1248 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: You're true for man. Thanks to stop about it a 1249 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: long day anytime, JAP think you about j P. Shadwick 1250 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,439 Speaker 1: was Cynthia Freeland, NFL media analytics expert. That's not all 1251 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: you do. You have more roles than that. 1252 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 8: How are you I'm great, how are you well? 1253 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 9: I always forget like you, I should have you do 1254 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 9: my like voicemail outgoing message like you say. 1255 00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 8: My name perfectly. 1256 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: We can do that. I love that. 1257 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,439 Speaker 9: And it's the problem is is I don't want those 1258 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 9: random people who get your phone number to know it's 1259 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 9: actually me, you know, so I have to keep this 1260 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 9: the number one on there anyways, but I wish next 1261 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 9: time I get one where it's like I'll get a 1262 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 9: phone renewal. 1263 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: That's what happens to you're a big star. No, you 1264 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: don't want no just in case. 1265 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,680 Speaker 9: No, it's like random's who like are like I are like, hey, 1266 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 9: can you get me tickets to the Super Bowl? I'm 1267 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 9: like nope, I don't get to like are you kidding me? 1268 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:26,920 Speaker 1: Like? 1269 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 8: Sure, you know what, let me do. 1270 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: This, really make a phone called random person. 1271 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 9: That I haven't talked to since whatever? You know, So 1272 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 9: I just never changed my phone number. 1273 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: So anyways, they come out of the woodwork. I hear 1274 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: you another new world in Jacksonville three headed front office 1275 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: now head coach GM and an EVP and Tony Boselli. 1276 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: Is that the right approach is that too much? Is 1277 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: it too little? What's the it's the approach they're going with. 1278 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 9: I kind of feel like, given the fact that like 1279 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 9: you have a nice blend, like kind of like in 1280 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,080 Speaker 9: team building, you have a nice end of like established newer, 1281 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 9: different thinkers, more legacy thinkers. So as long as they 1282 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 9: understand whose job is what, and no one like how 1283 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 9: do your vent diagrams overlap? Then who are we to 1284 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 9: say it's not perfect? Because I think you should have 1285 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 9: some like you know, like the gym's not the oldest 1286 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 9: person in the world, you know, I don't think I'm 1287 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 9: saying something crazy here before kind of a baby, you know, young, 1288 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 9: not thirty four years of experience sometimes whatever. So look, 1289 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 9: my point is is like it's nice to give him 1290 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 9: twenty Bistelli who understands all of the different logistical aspects 1291 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 9: that maybe he hasn't experienced James Glaston hasn't experienced yet 1292 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 9: in his career. 1293 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 8: So I like that part. 1294 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 9: And then let the coach do his thing because I 1295 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 9: kind of I kind of believe in that, like work 1296 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,920 Speaker 9: together and figure out who does what. 1297 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,880 Speaker 8: But sure, I'm I'm here for it. 1298 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 9: Like if they think it's gonna work, great, you got 1299 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 9: to give something to try, like might as well shake 1300 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 9: it up, you know, like if it's if it's not working, 1301 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 9: make it fit, make it how you want it. 1302 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: And mister has had all different types of setups for 1303 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: a front office. He's had a veteran GM and a 1304 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: veteran coach. He's had first time head coach with an EVP, 1305 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, and he's had all these different things. So 1306 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: totally now he's going on the younger end of that 1307 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and give him an opportunity. So that's how it goes. 1308 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,680 Speaker 9: I mean, you have a guy on your staff that's 1309 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 9: from my high school, so you it must be good. 1310 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, well I mean John van Dam Baby, he. 1311 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Went to high school together. Yeah, together together, same time world. 1312 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's his real name too. People was like, actor, 1313 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 9: why would he change his name? It was going to 1314 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 9: change you would you think John Claude van Dam. But no, 1315 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 9: John van Dam. He's awesome, wonderful. 1316 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Looking forward to me. 1317 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure. 1318 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Gladstone's experience is mostly in LA with the RAMS worked 1319 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,280 Speaker 1: his way up. He was scouting strategy. What do you 1320 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,440 Speaker 1: know about their operation there with Les lead and the 1321 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,600 Speaker 1: way Les need the GM there and what do you 1322 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: think he will be able to late from the Rams experience. 1323 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 9: There's two words that come to mind, like my word 1324 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,439 Speaker 9: cloud with with the LA experience and potentially what James 1325 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 9: Cloudstone is gonna bring. One is trust. They have a 1326 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 9: lot of trust in each other. Obviously they didn't have 1327 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 9: first round draft picks for a long time and they 1328 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 9: rebuilt their defensive front without Aaron oronold. 1329 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,720 Speaker 1: F those picks, right, that's what they said. 1330 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,240 Speaker 8: They did say that, Okay, but. 1331 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Then you have the other picks. 1332 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,840 Speaker 8: You got a pick, right, yeah, got it? F them picks. 1333 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 9: But I was always like, Okay, I'm pretty sure people 1334 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 9: would rather want to have whatever good for them, make 1335 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 9: it make sense and so. 1336 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 8: And the other thing is system. 1337 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 9: And I think obviously in espressor you heard these, but 1338 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 9: I believe it, Like I think that the system that 1339 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 9: he will be able to bring into place will be 1340 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 9: one that is at least a way to surface where 1341 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 9: things are not right quickly so you can address them, 1342 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 9: and it will help provide things, you know, in a 1343 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 9: in a way that makes sense and keeps making sense. 1344 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 9: So I think a system helps form an ide identity, 1345 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 9: and identity is really hard to keep over time, especially 1346 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,040 Speaker 9: you know when you've had different people rotating through for 1347 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,600 Speaker 9: a while, then it's hard to have an identity. So 1348 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 9: I believe that focus and that system and that structure 1349 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 9: creates a nice foundation to work from. That's that's where 1350 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 9: I think you will know what is a jag, right, 1351 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 9: Like how what are the traits that we what is 1352 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 9: our emission statement? What are you know we always have 1353 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 9: at this combine? Here is like next is now or 1354 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 9: now whatever it is. But the truth is is somebody 1355 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,800 Speaker 9: really puts a lot of time, effort and thought into 1356 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,000 Speaker 9: like all of these tag works that we have, Like 1357 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 9: you know, I think I like the one that was 1358 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 9: like make good decisions. Remember that one anyways, but it 1359 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,760 Speaker 9: was like like anyway, being great as your choice. It 1360 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 9: was it was being great as your choice. And I 1361 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 9: was like, so you're telling to make make a decisions anyways. 1362 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 9: But people are really thoughtful about like you know, galvanizing 1363 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,920 Speaker 9: us around a topic, you know, and and we're a 1364 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 9: lot of people. I mean, I was curious how many 1365 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 9: credentials or issues is like a billion? But like you 1366 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 9: know that whole thing, Well, that's how teams. 1367 01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 8: Good teams are built. 1368 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: So why there's a Minister of culture now basically in 1369 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,920 Speaker 1: Boselli to kind of start that and the GM on 1370 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: that part of it on the football side. And then 1371 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: there's Liam Cohen, a guy who went back to the 1372 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,000 Speaker 1: college team he was at the first time, went back 1373 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: there and then went back to the Rams again. That 1374 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,680 Speaker 1: tells you left both in good graces to be able 1375 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: to come back in both organizations. Then it goes to 1376 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: Tampa and they had some injuries, but they worked around 1377 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: it and got the job done. With Baker and everything, 1378 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 1: what stands out, what do you like the most about 1379 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 1: Liam Cohen? 1380 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 9: It feels like Liam Cohen is able to take what 1381 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 9: a player does best and get the most out. 1382 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,800 Speaker 8: Of them, and it's a lot of people. 1383 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 9: Baker has a really great arm and a lot of 1384 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,080 Speaker 9: people were trying to rely too hard on it back 1385 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 9: in his previous life and then giving him some. 1386 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 8: Quick, easy tempo, quick easy temp. 1387 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,040 Speaker 9: They didn't really have a great run game to begin 1388 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 9: you know, a couple of two seasons ago, and they 1389 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,840 Speaker 9: figured it out even without that. So finding solutions to 1390 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 9: get someone in rhythm, get them in their flow, get 1391 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,600 Speaker 9: them doing the thing they're so then when he does 1392 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,240 Speaker 9: take those deep passes to Mike Evans, everyone feels more confident. 1393 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,400 Speaker 9: It's it's not about asking him to do throw me 1394 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,600 Speaker 9: a thirty five yard or on everybody. No, it's about 1395 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 9: trying to figure out the right flow tempo, thaying Okay, 1396 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 9: I see this defense grade, I can recognize it, and 1397 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,720 Speaker 9: I'm gonna beat you over the top. Whatever it is, Like, 1398 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,440 Speaker 9: there's like a pretty good I guess about to be 1399 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 9: second year receiver. I still feel like we're in I 1400 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,320 Speaker 9: still feel like Myrdups Junior is a rookie because it 1401 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 9: was like five minutes ago that he was a rookie. 1402 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,080 Speaker 1: But well he was here doing combine stuff. Is here. 1403 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 8: It's like crazy, Yeah, he's I'm like a huge fan 1404 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:33,919 Speaker 8: of his. 1405 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: And he got so much better as the season went on, 1406 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 1: and he's throwing the ball at first half at least 1407 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,160 Speaker 1: get like three looks a game. 1408 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 8: I know, I know, well I don't. 1409 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 9: I don't mind that they gave him a minute to 1410 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,560 Speaker 9: like figure it out, Like in general, I don't mind 1411 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,960 Speaker 9: that strategy, but like you know, especially with figuring out 1412 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,680 Speaker 9: like how to get chemistry with a new like I 1413 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 9: don't know play calling with long story short is, I 1414 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 9: think there's gonna be a great opportunity for him to, 1415 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 9: like if I'm a fan n player, and I love 1416 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 9: the Jags like I'm telling all of my friends that 1417 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 9: I hate him, and I'm not. 1418 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,720 Speaker 8: Gonna I'm not gonna drop that. I snatch him round one. 1419 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: I love that, Love that Cynthia Freeland with this NFL 1420 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: media Jags defense was among the worst in the league 1421 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,840 Speaker 1: last year. They blew that whole staff out and brought 1422 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: in company Lay and they've got first round talent on 1423 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: the defensive line. On the edges, they were at soft 1424 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,720 Speaker 1: in the middle. Linebacker play was inconsistent at times, they 1425 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,440 Speaker 1: were rotating guys in and then the safety play was 1426 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 1: far to be desired. So there's a lot of work 1427 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 1: to be done on defense, but there there are some 1428 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 1: cornerstone guys at least on the edges you can build 1429 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: around here heinz Allen and treyvon Walker. 1430 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 9: I think that this is a great time. So number one, 1431 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 9: this is a better defensive class than it is offensive 1432 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,920 Speaker 9: in my opinion. I don't think it's a great on 1433 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,880 Speaker 9: line draft class. I don't think it's a great quarterback class. 1434 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 9: I don't think it's a great wide receiver. I think 1435 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,200 Speaker 9: that you're gonna be able to get a nice corner 1436 01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,560 Speaker 9: that Jaggs be able to be like great, Okay, got 1437 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,400 Speaker 9: me a corner. 1438 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 1: Something Campbell on one side and whoever it is on. 1439 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,400 Speaker 9: The other exactly, I'm not exactly sure which one because 1440 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,480 Speaker 9: at some like there are some very we'll see after 1441 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,840 Speaker 9: after this week kind of where some of these chips 1442 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 9: fall when it comes to the course. But I think 1443 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 9: this is a good time to need pieces on the defense. 1444 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 9: Like this is not this is a weird free agency 1445 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,120 Speaker 9: class in general. This is a like there's some weirdness 1446 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 9: this year that's just like not not normal, not normal 1447 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 9: stuff that we're seeing. But I think defense is a 1448 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 9: good a good area to like, if you need a 1449 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,439 Speaker 9: wide receiver Laska year rough, if you need a quarterback, eh, 1450 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 9: I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine, 1451 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 9: you know, Like so so that's kind of that's kind 1452 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 9: of I'm like better to need defense. 1453 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into some of the technology aspects of 1454 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,680 Speaker 1: the football these days. There's the GPS stuff going on, 1455 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: body scanning is starting to become where you can figure 1456 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: out weaknesses and all these things. And what's next, Like 1457 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,880 Speaker 1: what do we what's the cutting edge of technology and 1458 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: football these days coming up? 1459 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,880 Speaker 9: What I really like to see and this doesn't have 1460 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,480 Speaker 9: as much to do with the NFL as it does 1461 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 9: the college level. But now that so we're in this 1462 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 9: like weird era of like nil transfer portals out of control. 1463 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,040 Speaker 9: And the interesting part for me is I now believe 1464 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 9: if I'm any of these agents, I'm pushing on the 1465 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,040 Speaker 9: colleges to start them on much better training regimens when 1466 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,800 Speaker 9: they're younger. Like the variability between what happens between colleges 1467 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 9: is insanity, and so I believe getting them on more 1468 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,760 Speaker 9: regimented training programs earlier will help get rid of some 1469 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,040 Speaker 9: of the problems we're seeing from all this different moving 1470 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,040 Speaker 9: around business. 1471 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if the player is going to move in 1472 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,240 Speaker 1: a year, how do you start a. 1473 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 9: Program for Well, I think to me, and maybe I'm 1474 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,840 Speaker 9: being political here, what I don't mean to be. They 1475 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 9: have to there to me their employees, and they need 1476 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 9: to sign a contract just like you and I are adult. 1477 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 8: Are you an adult? If I can give you three 1478 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,160 Speaker 8: million dollars, you're an adult? In my book? 1479 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Like? 1480 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,880 Speaker 9: And then people and people say, well, if you're a 1481 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 9: math major, you can switch college, Like, yeah, I am 1482 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 9: paying to be the math major, true, right, Like, who's 1483 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,840 Speaker 9: got the leverage here? Anyway, so I think, but I 1484 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,640 Speaker 9: think that's gonna and or agency will agencies will start 1485 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 9: having to do that something like that. Like, so I 1486 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,360 Speaker 9: think the technology will trickle down better into the college 1487 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 9: programs because what we're seeing now is like there's just 1488 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,679 Speaker 9: such a big like the learning curve is so massive 1489 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 9: into the NFL. It's making it hard and harder and 1490 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,680 Speaker 9: harder for scouts to be able to accurately say, like 1491 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 9: what is this person's resume? Because if you're playing at 1492 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,920 Speaker 9: for different places like it games here, it games, it 1493 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,640 Speaker 9: like I don't know what I'm looking at to, you know, 1494 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 9: like maybe scouts do, but I don't think they do. 1495 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 1: What's your opinion on this idea of no chain game 1496 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: next year? I hate it. 1497 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:45,280 Speaker 8: I think that. 1498 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 9: I don't think it's no right because there's like so 1499 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,040 Speaker 9: much like subjectivity when it comes to like where's the 1500 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 9: line to gang? 1501 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:55,519 Speaker 8: Like what? 1502 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 9: So if you have that mental reference, like I just 1503 01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 9: don't think like my peripher vision matters, right, So if 1504 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,880 Speaker 9: I'm only saying like this, like this Hawkeye is going 1505 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 9: to do that, I think it should help you in 1506 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,600 Speaker 9: case when it's like really off. But there's some subjectivity 1507 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,280 Speaker 9: into you know, when forward progress was stopped. But I 1508 01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,120 Speaker 9: think your peripheral vision needs to have those orange markers 1509 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,599 Speaker 9: so that you're more like you have to have you 1510 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,960 Speaker 9: have to have a tether point right. It's like, you know, 1511 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,880 Speaker 9: like if I tell you to turn on the right bar, 1512 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,720 Speaker 9: like the red barn, like you kind of like you 1513 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 9: need to have, you know, visual mapping to be able 1514 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,679 Speaker 9: to do it. So I don't think that that would 1515 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,639 Speaker 9: help much. But I do think in certain cases, having 1516 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,599 Speaker 9: the ability to use the technology when something looks very 1517 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 9: wrong to double check it when it's not like game 1518 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,280 Speaker 9: changing or something like that. 1519 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 8: That's helpful. But there's so much subjectivity. 1520 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 9: I don't think you can get rid of the mental 1521 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 9: reference points on the side. 1522 01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the best thing I can probably compare this 1523 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 1: to is like in tennis, right, they do the review 1524 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: of the in and out, Yeah, and it's the whole thing. 1525 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,040 Speaker 1: They clap. There's the drama, okay, But I love the 1526 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,840 Speaker 1: drama of the old guys bringing the chains out and 1527 01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: the car stretched it and Stereotaur doing the card like. 1528 01:09:59,400 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: I love that. 1529 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,679 Speaker 8: I like it is great TV. 1530 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,639 Speaker 9: I'm with you on that, But there's always there's always 1531 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,880 Speaker 9: gonna be subjectivity, you know, like, I don't want it 1532 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 9: to not be like the to me, the challenge. The 1533 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,000 Speaker 9: only time I want to use a technology is when 1534 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,680 Speaker 9: on it looks like it's like four inches different three 1535 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,240 Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, Like where you're like, that 1536 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 9: is clearly a first down. 1537 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,640 Speaker 8: I don't understand. I don't know. 1538 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,720 Speaker 1: Well, then you got to figure out the spotting more 1539 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: than the measurement, correct. 1540 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,599 Speaker 9: But I think you need those. I think you need 1541 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 9: the what is it like temporal reference? But whatever you know, 1542 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:31,960 Speaker 9: you're you need. 1543 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,760 Speaker 1: That, Like I don't even know what you're talking about. 1544 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,360 Speaker 9: Right, you need to see the orange, but I think 1545 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,400 Speaker 9: you I think you mentally need to see like the 1546 01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,240 Speaker 9: orange over there. 1547 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's still gonna stay. You still have 1548 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,240 Speaker 1: to know where to go. 1549 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 8: It's got but I think they're gonna I want the drama. 1550 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,280 Speaker 1: To final thoughts with you here A favorite part of 1551 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 1: the combine week. 1552 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,439 Speaker 8: I'm getting to see everyone. This is my favorite. Everyone 1553 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 8: thinks they can win the Super Bowl, which who am 1554 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:56,320 Speaker 8: I to say they can't. 1555 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,960 Speaker 1: You know a few teams that can't, but you know 1556 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 1: we have Jags can, But of course other teams. 1557 01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:03,360 Speaker 8: Have you seen your division? 1558 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:04,920 Speaker 1: Of course I'm aware of the defict. 1559 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 8: All you need to do is make it to the playoffs, 1560 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:06,920 Speaker 8: win the super Bowl. 1561 01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,839 Speaker 1: That's what they said last year didn't make the playoffs 1562 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:10,599 Speaker 1: four and thirteen. 1563 01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,080 Speaker 8: Well, all you can go is up, you know. 1564 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,439 Speaker 1: Oh you can get worse. They can always get I know. Yeah, 1565 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,599 Speaker 1: the team that head back to back number one picks 1566 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,559 Speaker 1: Jaguars at five. Who are they picking? 1567 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,599 Speaker 8: Who do I want them to pick? 1568 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:24,439 Speaker 1: Who are they picking? 1569 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 3: Hmmm? 1570 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 8: Who's available? 1571 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,840 Speaker 1: See, nobody has just a straight answer anymore. Everybody's got 1572 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:32,680 Speaker 1: all these you. 1573 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,920 Speaker 8: Know, variable I might be in the minority. 1574 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 9: I think the Michigan corner would be a really good 1575 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,920 Speaker 9: pick for you guys. I think it'd be a really 1576 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,200 Speaker 9: nice fit. I think that in your division it would 1577 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 9: be a really solid But people like. 1578 01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 8: He's not worth that I have a pick. I don't 1579 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:46,639 Speaker 8: give a crap. 1580 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 9: If he's going to really help your team, I would 1581 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,960 Speaker 9: just take him there like, or you can try to 1582 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 9: trade down and get extra equity for it. 1583 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,680 Speaker 8: But I don't know. 1584 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:52,920 Speaker 2: I like. 1585 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,519 Speaker 9: I like the Michigan corner a lot for you guys, 1586 01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,000 Speaker 9: maybe love it? Does that not make you happy? 1587 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,879 Speaker 1: No, it makes me. It's your opinion. 1588 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,080 Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you though, if Will Campbell's there 1589 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,639 Speaker 9: still from lsu'd be really hard. That's like the one 1590 01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 9: offensive tackle that I really like. I don't think he'll 1591 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,519 Speaker 9: be there still, which is why I went with the corner. 1592 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,240 Speaker 9: But if, well, if LSU offensive tackle is there, please 1593 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,880 Speaker 9: do not let him not fault. I mean, that's like 1594 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,360 Speaker 9: truly the only one that I actually think. I could 1595 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 9: say I feel it very strongly as a starter day 1596 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,679 Speaker 9: one and like the contributor in this class a line's crazy. 1597 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,639 Speaker 8: But then after that, I would say, Michigan Corner. 1598 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,479 Speaker 1: Love it, Cynthia, enjoy your work. Thanks for coming on 1599 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:33,160 Speaker 1: with it anytime. 1600 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 8: Tell Bucky April first, him and I to the. 1601 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,200 Speaker 1: Path to the oh yeah, path to the draft. 1602 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,840 Speaker 9: And then you know what we do it after that. 1603 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,080 Speaker 9: But it's still called paths to the draft. No one 1604 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 9: knows why that happened, even though the. 1605 01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 1: Draft is over. Path to the next draft or reviewing 1606 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: the path that we just took to the draft. 1607 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,000 Speaker 2: I really know. 1608 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,120 Speaker 1: As long as the check clears said, don't ask questions, 1609 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm not. 1610 01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 8: That's way above my pay grade. 1611 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Great to see you since the free NFL media here 1612 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,480 Speaker 1: at the combine. 1613 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:05,599 Speaker 3: M hmm,