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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. This is George with a very special announcement

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Speaker 1: specifically for listeners who live in the beautiful city of

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, a city we love. I am doing my

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Speaker 1: brand new hour of stand up comedy at the Allegiant

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Speaker 1: Theater once again for two nights next month, and the

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Speaker 1: shows are Tuesday, March fifth at seven thirty and Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: March sixth at nine to thirty. I'm in the process

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Speaker 1: of booking all the special guests, and let's just say

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Speaker 1: we have some heavy hitters. I'll tell you one, Patre again.

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Speaker 1: He's already He's already locked for the Wednesday show, and

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Speaker 1: there are a few other ones that are in the works.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to be back in LA and reunited

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Speaker 1: with my friend and coworker Sam Taggart, and reunited with

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Speaker 1: all of you. And you can find tickets to both

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Speaker 1: shows in my Instagram bio or just go straight to

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Speaker 1: linktree dot com slash George Severes. That is linktree dot

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Speaker 1: com slash George Severs or honestly, even just google Allegiant Theater,

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. You'll find I know I enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Welcome to the Valentine's day official earnestness Bonanza,

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Speaker 2: where we will take questions and answer them as earnestly

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Speaker 2: as possible. The bit has been officially dropped. We will

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Speaker 2: not be funny, This will not be interesting, period, point blank. George, Hi, Hello.

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Speaker 1: I was not speaking because I realized as you were

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Speaker 1: talking that I forgot to start my solo recording. But

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Speaker 1: the way I started it seamlessly with. I said, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to talk until i'm it's recording, and sure enough,

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Speaker 1: now I started talking, it's recording. When we send this

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Speaker 1: to the various professionals that mix and audio engineer the podcast,

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Speaker 1: they will have no idea that I made any mistake.

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Speaker 2: Those fools, they'll get that audio file and think you

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Speaker 2: started it right on time.

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Speaker 1: I do want to say off the bat, and if

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Speaker 1: people are watching on YouTube, because our episodes are of

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Speaker 1: course available in full on YouTube, they will know you

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Speaker 1: look professionally lit. I would say, movie star good looks.

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Speaker 1: You are wearing an outside outfit, something that you could

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Speaker 1: potentially wear on the street. And I really the lightning here,

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Speaker 1: even though it's actually very nice out is I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Alicia Keys goes no makeup in how

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Speaker 1: I look like standing in my apartment with the kind

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Speaker 1: of two thirty seven pm New York light hitting me like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I almost look it's weird. I'm like, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't there's nothing specific that I can point

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Speaker 1: to where I can say, oh, I'm unshaven or I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing a stupid outfit. But I do just look a

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I couldn't agree least. I think you

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Speaker 2: look raw and rugged. Thanks, thankes, me go a lot better,

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Speaker 2: you know, a real classic American man. I just think

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Speaker 2: you know it is there is a power imbalance here

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Speaker 2: that I didn't even know there really is. I didn't

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Speaker 2: even realize that. You know, I'm in La. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm the one that made things different for us. We're

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Speaker 2: supposed to both be in New York in theory, and

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Speaker 2: I'm in LA and instead of it being you getting

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize this. Since you have moved,

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Speaker 1: every guest we've had has been in studio with you,

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Speaker 1: and I have been at home as though I'm being

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Speaker 1: punished for you moving to Los Angeles, and actually, and

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Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, why are

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Speaker 1: And since you moved, I have been a by the way,

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the real reason, first of all

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Speaker 1: Guess I just want to say it is so celebrity

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Speaker 1: If I can get to you know, Fifth Avenue right now,

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Speaker 1: Now, can I tell you? You know when I've been

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Speaker 1: if the reality show cameras were here now, like people

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Speaker 1: the last twelve hours, I did my show. It like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks when you when that is happening and

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Speaker 1: Well, two things, it's crazy that only three of us

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Speaker 1: I have to say it was the best one of

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Speaker 1: workshopping this hour, this was like the one I felt

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Speaker 1: basically it's not You're gonna see a little bit for me,

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna bring out my friend Esther, and then

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Speaker 1: as simple as that, rather than someone coming out and

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Speaker 1: And then Esther then did her set and ended with

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Speaker 1: And then I did the thing you know everyone says

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Speaker 2: So you know, if it broke, don't fix it. You know,

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Speaker 3: So no, it was good.

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Speaker 1: I was, I will admit it publicly, fully sick, not

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Speaker 2: While yeah, this only you know when it's contagious, it is.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't contagious? Whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: So, as I was saying I did a full hour

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Speaker 2: Well only the best. Well, I was so jealous that

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Speaker 1: this episode. Now, I will say I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: have to say afterwards, you know, I went to one

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Speaker 1: I miss Sam. I really like it. Doesn't there have

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Speaker 1: feels like at some point you're going to join and

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I miss you too, George, And I'm coming to town

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Speaker 2: in two weeks. Two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's right.

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Speaker 2: We'll do our singers residency, We'll.

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking, that's actually an experience that you

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Speaker 1: don't have with me, because you're doing new things that

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Speaker 1: you don't associate with me, whereas I'm constantly doing I'm

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Speaker 1: going to places where we went together.

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Speaker 2: But with that, yeah, yeah, I do feel my thing

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Speaker 2: here is I'm like I get some Recently, I've actually

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Speaker 2: enjoying LA as of I wanted to go and it's fun.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a big key for me was learning

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Speaker 2: to ride a Lime scooter that has unlocked the city

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: So I love your like neoliberal journey with LA where

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Speaker 1: mood is learning to ride the limescooters.

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Speaker 1: about like we would not move, we would not explore

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00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: our surroundings at all, and we would just like create

439
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 1: a story where we're like on an island and then

440
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: other people are passing by and we would create like

441
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: little backstories for them. And one time we did it,

442
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: like on Christmas Day, and there was a guy that

443
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: was there alone with his dog and it was Christmas

444
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Day on the beach, and one of us was like,

445
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're probably both missing someone today, and I

446
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: was like, that is the most profound thing I've ever

447
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: heard in my life. But that aside, I would say

448
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: my number one experience with mushrooms is actually not so

449
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: much in that it has made me have any huge realizations.

450
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: It's more that it makes me feel. It makes funniness

451
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: and anyone's and jokes so heightened that I am crying

452
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: laughing the whole time, which I know is not an

453
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: original thought, but I way more feel that part of

454
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: it than I feel the like, man, we're all in

455
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: this world together, like blah blah blah. I am just crying,

456
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: laughing like we again, we lived in San Francisco and

457
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: it was like during the startup boom. So one of

458
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: the jokes we had was that we were all at

459
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: the We were all together because we were launching a

460
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: startup and Beyonce had said she was going to perform

461
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: at the launch but then canceled last minute, and so

462
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: now we were panicking to see what we can do,

463
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: and we just like built this story of like what

464
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: are we going to do at the launch? And I

465
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: truly have never laughed so hard in my life. And

466
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: then most recently, I went from my friend's batch red party.

467
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: I think I told the story on the podcast, but

468
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: we went to a Harry Styles concert and I took

469
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: a little mushroom chocolate there and I there was we

470
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: made a backstory about his I Believe drummer, who is

471
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: this woman who had really large bangs, and we made

472
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: a story about how they were so large that they

473
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: needed to be surgically removed. And the entire concert was

474
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Speaker 1: a fundraiser to raise funds for for medical bills. And

475
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: once again I was like, that is the absolute funniest

476
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard in my life.

477
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it holds up. I Yeah, I did. I

478
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: don't think I knew going into it that it could

479
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: be so funny. Like I was like laughing and being

480
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: stupid is a weed thing. And then one time I

481
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: went upstate with like Nick Nanny and Clara O. Kaine

482
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: and Dan lac et cetera, et cetera, and we all

483
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: did trooms and I've never laughed so hard in my

484
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: entire life in a way that I will like chase

485
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: that for until I am dead. I think, like like

486
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: they kept putting we were like sitting around the campfire

487
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: and it'd be like we were like passing around the

488
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: phone to put on songs, and like they kept putting

489
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: on like Happy Birthday and ABC's and I was dying,

490
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: Like I was like I cannot stand this. I'm I've

491
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: never laughed so hard in my life. There was also

492
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: a point where we were like looking at a mountain

493
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: and being like it's so beautiful and like genuinely being

494
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: like it's amazing. And Nick, who's like the silliest person

495
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: on earth has never had a serious thought in his life,

496
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: refused to like engage with it, and he's like, what

497
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: are you guys talking about? I don't know, I don't

498
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: see anything, and I'm like, this is I could not

499
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: stop laughing at how like suddenly curmudgeonly he was.

500
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: So okay in terms of not earnest thoughts, but just

501
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, everything being heightened. An extreme only funny thing

502
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: that happened after the Harry Styles concert was we were

503
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: on this way waiting for the subway to go home,

504
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: and so we were with a large group, but only

505
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: three of us were tripping, and the three of us

506
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: that were tripping all together, look at this guy who's

507
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: facing away from us, look at his butt, and we're like,

508
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: that is the biggest butt we've ever seen. It's crazy that, like,

509
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: surely everyone must be looking at this insane butt. How

510
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: how does he move around without everyone stopping him on

511
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: the street and wanting to take a photo of his butt?

512
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: And so we were like subtly like talking to our

513
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: other friend and we were.

514
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, look at that guy's buck.

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: And she was like, what are you talking about. This

516
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: just a normal guy And we were like, no, look

517
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: at his butt and she was like, that's not an

518
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: especially large or small or weirdly like, it's just a

519
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: normal butt. And then days later I was like, man,

520
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: remember when we thought that guy's butt was so big

521
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: and Gabby had to correct us and my friend was like, no,

522
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: she was wrong about that one. That was like the

523
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: biggest butt.

524
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

525
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, those are my earnest revelations. While on Trimp's next question,

526
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: next question, Okay, this one is.

527
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh, actually this person I met at the Eagle last night.

528
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: Ooh fun.

529
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's kind of fun. I'll read the question

530
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: really quickly. Yeah, okay, this is from Dylan, who I

531
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: think is the Dylan I met at the Eagle last

532
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: night who said they sent this question. Sam, you've freely

533
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: talked about getting quiet when you go home around your family.

534
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: I do the same thing for unknown reasons, but I

535
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: have a theory not to be squiggily. We as queer

536
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: people squiggily. But is it that, growing up we hide

537
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: so much of ourselves and personality in fear of being

538
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: called out or outed or seem gay around them for

539
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: upwards of eighteen years. Is it possible our brains bodies

540
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: are so used to the dynamic that we slip back

541
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: into that headspace. Wow. I love being a professional psychoanalyst,

542
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: and for me, I'm not sure I think I do

543
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: get quiet around my family still, but it's also like

544
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: everyone's just kind of a strong personalit and I'm like,

545
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: if there's this many cooks, I'm gonna I can chill out.

546
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: I sort of like go into that space. And I'm like,

547
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: and also it's my role. It's always been my role

548
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of the quiet one.

549
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: So then when I'm.

550
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: Back, I'm like, Okay, well I'm quiet one again. So

551
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: it's I'm sure, I'm sure there's some of the gay

552
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: stuff in there, but it's also just the dynamic now.

553
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say, uh, the gay stuff never goes away. Yeah,

554
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think for and whether and everyone

555
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: has a version of being gay.

556
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: For some people, the version of being gay is.

557
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: A competitive gamer.

558
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: You a competitive gamer, or that you when you were

559
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: young were insecure because you had really bushy eyebrows, or

560
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: you were insecure because someone made fun of you for

561
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: something like and inevitably, when you go home, that part

562
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: of your brain is activated.

563
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sort of the best you.

564
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Can do is, I would say almost, I don't know,

565
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: like engage with it in a humorous way, like make

566
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: it into a little bit with yourself.

567
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, have fun with it, have.

568
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: Fun with it, all right? This next question, all right,

569
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: So this question is from and they say, would you

570
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: two ever do a game show like The Amazing Race Together?

571
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I honestly think you.

572
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: Guys would be really good at.

573
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: First of all, so someone, first of all, thank you.

574
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: I have to say I don't The only reality competition

575
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: show I've ever watched with any regularity is Project Runway,

576
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and as much as I wish I had the talent

577
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: to do it, I have to admit that I don't.

578
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Sam.

579
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I know that you have gotten into Survivor recently, so

580
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I think you maybe would be better at answering this question.

581
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: So I'm really into Survivor right now, and in a

582
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: way that feels very new. This is this is part

583
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: of my la lifestyle, and I'm I've never considered going

584
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: on a show like this in my life. I've thought

585
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: of it as one of the worst things you can do,

586
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: and now I'm like, oh, I actually am so tempted,

587
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: and I love it so much that I'm like, maybe

588
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: maybe I could do it. Because also the thing about

589
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: these shows is I'm like, well, all these people are qualified,

590
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: They've trained their whole lives for this. That's a myth.

591
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: No one is prepared at all, and people are insane

592
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: and are just like, yeah, I'll go wherever if it

593
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: means I'm on TV in this way.

594
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Well, also correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe I am,

595
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: but they are I assume cast more in terms of

596
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: who's more entertaining than who's more talent, who's more skillful.

597
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: Is that right?

598
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I think that is right. It's definitely more about your

599
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: entertainment value, and they usually try to cast like I

600
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: also just think they want like one person who's skilled

601
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: for that to be like their thing is like they're

602
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: the outdoorsy guy and then it's like the city girl

603
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: who can't do anything. And honestly, me, me vibes, me vibes,

604
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: and so I don't actually know how the amazing race works.

605
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know if we would be good on it.

606
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I well, here's a question. Do you think

607
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: we would be good? I think we would.

608
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: In fact, at this point in our professional and personal relationship,

609
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: I do think we would work well if given a task. Yeah,

610
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I think work well together?

611
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.

612
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: However, between the two of us, I do think maybe

613
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: we don't have as many skills as we could have.

614
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: No if it was maybe I would say, maybe you

615
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: have more than I do in terms of practical skills.

616
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: I think I actually think we're pretty even, but in

617
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: different ways. Like I do think if we're going from

618
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: a survivor perspective, like I think our brains are matched.

619
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: Let's start this. I think maybe I could do the

620
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: more physical challenges better, but I think that you could

621
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: do like more crafty things better. And I like which

622
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: is an important part. And sure, because I think I

623
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: would like die like I think I would like starve

624
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: to death, and I actually think you would be like

625
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: I can catch a fish and figure out how.

626
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: To cook it.

627
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, well, thank you. Well I do think if

628
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: someone were to give me a fish, I would know

629
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: how to cook it. So maybe that's a valuable skill. Okay, wait,

630
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: let me do the one that's addressed to me, because

631
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: I feel like it's sort of timely right now. So

632
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: this is I'm still from George. How do you maintain

633
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: a resilience of spirit when working in print or digital media?

634
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: A spoiler, I don't do you constantly think about career changes.

635
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm an editor in book publishing, and it's a low

636
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: paid grind that makes me consider my life choices. It

637
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: really is a love hate industry to work in. And

638
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I will say, now we will bleep your name because

639
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I think it is an uncommon enough name that I

640
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to trace it back to since you

641
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: have said what job you do, and that is a

642
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: straight ollab promise that we're not doxing any low paid

643
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: book editors.

644
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a.

645
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Really difficult question because well, okay, the bad news is

646
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: it is true that it feels absolutely apocalyptic to work

647
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: in digital media. I will say that literally this week

648
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: is a one year in a orstry of Gacker shutting down.

649
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: So this has been on my mind a lot. And

650
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I've been talking to my old coworkers a lot, and

651
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: some of them have stayed in digital media and have

652
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: managed to get other jobs. Other ones are sort of

653
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: like focusing on other things. I feel like I have

654
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: kind of, I mean, unless something comes my way, I

655
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Speaker 1: have given up on that being a huge part of

656
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: my career because I mean, I have to say, I

657
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: actually think, as silly as it sounds, it actually seems

658
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: more realistic to literally be like a touring comedian and

659
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: make all your money that way than it is to

660
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: be an editor at any sort of digital media company

661
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: or magazine. Yeah, I also live in a household where

662
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: my partner also works in media, so it is very

663
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: like salient in.

664
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Speaker 3: Our lives, do you. I feel like.

665
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: There's no extremely inspirational answer to this except to say, like,

666
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: don't let the dread be all encompassing and sort of

667
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: take it one step at a time, and also like

668
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: keep an open mind, because a career can look like

669
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: so many different things, Like I do, think and Sam

670
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and you can attest to this. We never imagined our

671
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that having a podcast would be like a huge part

672
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: of our lives, and almost it was almost like a

673
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: punchline at some point to have a comedy podcast, and

674
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: then it has ended up being like very fulfilling and

675
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: very fun and has helped us in so many other ways.

676
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: So I think it is always and I do this too,

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: but it's always a losing game to romanticize what these

678
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: industries looked like in the nineties and the end before that.

679
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: Like all that does is set you up to be

680
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: constantly disappointed. And I think as much as this is

681
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: a sort of like neoliberal response, it because we can't

682
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: actually control the dynamics that shape these industries. The best

683
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: thing you can do as a form of self preservation

684
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: is like maintain an open mind and like sort of

685
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 1: don't think it's like while maintaining your sense of self worth,

686
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: don't think anything is beneath you, because it is. It

687
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: entails like posting Instagram reils, you know what I mean.

688
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good thing.

689
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, it sucks, and

690
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: it's nice to have friends in those industries that you

691
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: can commiserate with. And I don't know, but I also think,

692
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: like day to day, like it's it's lucky that you

693
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: are an editor. I'm sure you work on projects that

694
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: you're proud of, and I think like it's you know,

695
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: important to focus on that more than more than all

696
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: the negative stuff. But yeah, I have solidarity and you know,

697
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: if it helps, we all feel that way. And by

698
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: the way, like entertainment is in such an insane place

699
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: right now.

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00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I.

701
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Speaker 1: It feels truly like no one knows what they're doing

702
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: and it is not a career. Yeah, so the grass

703
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: is always greener. Yeah, actually, wait, some of these are good.

704
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: Let's do these really fast, Okay, straight shooters, Sam Cargo

705
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: Shorts or oh wait, this one's for me, cargo shorts or.

706
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 3: Your gocker cohorts.

707
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Speaker 1: I will see my gocker cohorts, Sam, twelve Angry Men

708
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: or twelve Hackling Hens.

709
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: Twelve Angry Men, George, Patty Lapone or girl put your

710
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: records own.

711
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: I would say, girl, put your records own, even though

712
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm a lifelong Patty Lapone fan.

713
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

714
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Kate asks, how would you feel if I brought my

715
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: baby to a Stradio lab Bellhouse show. He'd have ear

716
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: protection on and I'd stand by the door so I

717
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: could leave if you started making noise?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sort of like ram on.

719
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, I actually think, Yeah, I say bring them

720
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: who cares?

721
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, like I would not like

722
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: if everyone brought their babies, but knowing that that's never

723
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen, the idea of a single baby is so funny.

724
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: And actually, can we bring the baby on stage? Yeah?

725
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: And we can.

726
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: We would obviously have to bring the baby on stage.

727
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: We would obviously address it. We would maybe do a

728
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: sort of baptism ritual where we hold him up like

729
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: lion king.

730
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want a baby holding contest?

731
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, which gay guys, right, which we're gonna have everyone,

732
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot. Yeah, actually I would love

733
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: that is a really good idea of having a bunch

734
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: of gay guys on stage and seeing who can hold

735
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: a baby least naturally.

736
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Speaker 2: Okay, next question, Oh.

737
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Okay, this is like actually a perfect sort of earnestness

738
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: like question one in question two are very they are

739
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Bananza question they are okay, do you want to take

740
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: it away?

741
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: Okay, this is from Glory Anne. What do you admire

742
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: most about each other?

743
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: There?

744
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I would say what I admire about Sam is his

745
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the right way to phrase this.

746
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: I would say you.

747
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: Have a certain certainty in your tastes and values that

748
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: I really admire. I think I am much more likely

749
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: if someone is like, can you guys, let's say have

750
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: on you know, Newt gang Ridge as a guest. He'll

751
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: be great for the pod, I'll be like, oh, sure,

752
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: like that would grow our audience. I think I think you,

753
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: I think have a strong set of values and a

754
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: strong both like you know, in the literal sense and

755
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: also sort of like aesthetic values that you stick to

756
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: in a way that I admire. Even in your I

757
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: would say sometimes like we'll have people on and my

758
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: instinct will be a to like mirror their sensibility, and

759
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: I think you're like, no, your guests in our house,

760
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: this is what we do here, take or leave it.

761
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like to do that. I think almost

762
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: not entirely the opposite, but sort of I do almost

763
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: admire the opposite in you, where I actually feel like

764
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: you're so you know, the PERSONA maybe is like you're

765
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: the cold intellect, but I actually feel like you're so

766
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: warm to everyone, and I'm always so impressed with it

767
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: and almost like it, like you know, it like points

768
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: out how many walls I have up where I'm like, damn,

769
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: you are so kind and like inviting people in, and

770
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: that's always very impressive to me, and it like makes

771
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: me reflect and be like I should be warmer.

772
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: That is very sweet. Well, I think you're plenty warm.

773
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, okay, And then the same email says, what

774
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: is your dream vacation?

775
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: What a perfect.

776
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Question, dream Vaka. This is tough. I actually have an answer.

777
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: The thing is, okay, I've this is a dream vaka

778
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: only in the sense that this one is something I've

779
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: never done before and it's something I fantasize about because

780
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: it seems and I don't think I ever will do it,

781
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: because that's what makes it a dream to me. Going

782
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: I've never ever done like a winter like ski Vaca,

783
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think it ever will. But it sounds

784
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: like the most glamorous thing a person can do.

785
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I mean the skiing is, of course

786
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: beside the point, Like all I want to do is

787
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: be in my A price ski outfit, drinking you know,

788
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: hot tottie while looking out at the mountain and seeing

789
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: other people skiing.

790
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the like oh, like say we're

791
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: sore from the slopes and we like go in our

792
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: hot tub and it's like, oh my god, how fun

793
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: that is?

794
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: You in Switzerland?

795
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: Quite literally, I need that.

796
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what my dream vacation would be,

797
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm trying not to go obvious. Sure,

798
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: because of course, all I ever want to do is

799
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: be on a beach. I mean that is a given.

800
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: I want to be on a beach, and I want

801
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: it to be fifty percent me reading a sort of

802
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: prestige beach reade, which is a term week coined by

803
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: the way, that is really catching on. I want to

804
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: be reading a prestige beach tree. And then the other

805
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: half is like me sipping a pina colada and talking

806
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: to my friends and like playing card games. Yeah, so

807
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: in a literal sense, that is my dream vacation. I'm

808
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: trying to think if I have any sort of more

809
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: original answer.

810
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: Here's what I will say.

811
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: I would love and I'm taking away any pretend climate

812
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: change doesn't exist.

813
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: I would love to just be.

814
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Speaker 1: On a yacht, like to be to be just on

815
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a yacht doing like island hopping for truly four weeks.

816
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I want to spend every summer.

817
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds really nice.

818
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: So done, yeah, done. What was your first concert ever?

819
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: We haven't asked this question before, but why not? Do

820
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: you remember what yours was?

821
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: I honestly think I went to It's like embarrassing, of course.

822
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: So there was the band something Corporate, and then the

823
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: guy that started that started his own off a new

824
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: offshoot band called Jackson Mannequin, which was you know.

825
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, of course I remember jack.

826
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Speaker 2: So and I was living in southern Virginia and Jackson

827
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: Mannequin was playing in Greensboro, North Carolina, and I went

828
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: to that. But they were actually open, and I didn't

829
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: understand how concerts really worked. They were opening for Oar,

830
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: which I didn't like. But I went to an Oar

831
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: concert to see the opener and it was, you know,

832
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: saying all this out loud. It just fills me with

833
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: so much shame. What's yours?

834
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: Damn well?

835
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: I actually I have thought about this a lot, because

836
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: this is just a question that people in conversation ask

837
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: a lot, and I have no recollection of what my

838
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: first real concert was. But I do have the coolest

839
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: possible and the most me possible answer for what my

840
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: first live music concert like experience was, which is that,

841
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: as everyone knows, my parents took me to the Athens

842
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: a line opening ceremony and who performed? B York and

843
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: so literally, my first like I would say, it's not

844
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: a concert but like concert like experience in a stadium,

845
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: was seeing Byork perform at the opening ceremony of the

846
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: Athens Olympics, which is quite literally like the encapsulation of

847
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: everything that I am.

848
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: That's cool, Let's move on, we're running low on time.

849
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and I'm sorry.

850
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: Okay. This is from dear listener Griff, who says, for George.

851
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: With the Olympics coming up this year, I'm curious to

852
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: hear a Greek person's perspective. Are they a big deal

853
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: in Greece or is it just a thing that happens.

854
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: The Olympics is always like, we are from Greece, so

855
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: I always wondered if people in Greece are like especially

856
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: invested in them.

857
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: Yes, people in Greece are especially invested in them. The

858
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and four Olympics in Greece was a huge deal,

859
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: like monumental deal, because it was the first time they

860
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: were back in Greece since the first modern Olympics. Long

861
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: story short, So much money was poured into them, so

862
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: much development happened. They ended up being a huge success.

863
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: But then the crash after that was so major because

864
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: what happened right after doesen't four, is that the economy

865
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: started to collapse. So it sort of holds a complicated

866
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: place in Greece's modern history. I would say, but yes,

867
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: people think of the Olympics as a huge deal. If

868
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: a Greek person wins an Olympic medal, which you know

869
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: doesn't happen super often, it's like probably the most like

870
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: incredible thing you can do for your country.

871
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: I mean it is.

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00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the equivalent would be for

873
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: a different country. So yes, they are a huge deal.

874
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: I love watching them. Unfortunately, the politics of the Olympics

875
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: are really really dark and grim, and so you have

876
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: to kind of close your eyes and your ears and.

877
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: Just enjoy the show.

878
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: Maybe do you get invested personally?

879
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: You know, I think sadly less and less as I

880
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: get older, But but I actually think recently, because of

881
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: the pandemic and because of various other things, I just

882
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: haven't been in the mood. And I think maybe for

883
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four I will be back to being invested.

884
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm like ready to learn about some new sports personalities.

885
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm ready for some memes. I'm ready to be proud

886
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: of some Greek people and potentially even American people if

887
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it. Sure, So you know, I'm gonna

888
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: go on the record and say I am gonna be

889
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: invested in the Olympics this year.

890
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: I love that.

891
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Sam, have you been going out in West Hollywood

892
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: at all now that you're in LA I know you're

893
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: mostly you've mostly been on the East Side, and we

894
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: can be polarizing, but i'd be interesting, interested to hear

895
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: what your experience has been if any.

896
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: To be honest, I haven't been out in West Hollywood

897
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: even once. I have not stepped foot over there. And

898
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: it's not I I just need the right squad I

899
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: feel like to go to do that, Like it has

900
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: to have like a little bit of irony to it,

901
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: because like in New York, I liked like going to

902
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: the big stupid gay bars in like Hel's Kitchen or whatever.

903
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: But it has to be with like a friend group

904
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: and it has to be like this is going to

905
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: be a silly night. But right now I'm sticking to

906
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: the East Side bars that I'm used to. Because that's

907
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: my question.

908
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: I would, well, Hollywood can be uh really like really

909
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: disappointing it can you could? I find it can put

910
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: you in a dark place, and I will say that, yeah,

911
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: okay for both of us. This is the final question

912
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: in this email. Are there any bits or phrases from

913
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: the pod that have infected your everyday life or vocabulary? Personally,

914
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm finding myself saying noinkeeper swinky more than is normal.

915
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, noinkeeper swinky is a phrase coined

916
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: by Charlie Barday, which means, wait, what does it mean

917
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: to again? Nevertheless, she persisted.

918
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

919
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So what let me think you know what

920
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: I actually say that as a you thing is I

921
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: will say totally.

922
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I think maybe I got it from

923
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: you that I say one hundred.

924
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, we both say one hundred percent a lot.

925
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: I do think you may do that maybe that was me,

926
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: but it's hard to tell.

927
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: I mean, say that is a big one.

928
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Say that's a big one. It's I almost there's almost

929
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: an opposite effect sometimes too, where I'm like, well, I

930
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: can't say say that anymore because I say it so much.

931
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: I also think we both of us a lot will

932
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: sort of use hyperbole in this in saying like that

933
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: is the smartest thing you've ever said, or like that

934
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: is the most genius thing I've ever heard, which I

935
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: do like is hyperbole in that way, but it can't

936
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: get old.

937
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: Of course. Question next question, Okay, this is from Sarah.

938
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: Imagine you could get better at something, but it came

939
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: at the expense of getting worse at something else. What

940
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: would you get better at and what would you sacrifice?

941
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: So this is sort of a monkey's paw situation. Be

942
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: careful what you wish for scenario.

943
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: I will say that two things that I wish I

944
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: was better at. One, I just wish I spoke like

945
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: a lot of languages. It's something that I just never had.

946
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: I never prioritized when I was younger, and as you

947
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: get older it gets more and more difficult. But like

948
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: my dream would be to just be able to go

949
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: to like France or Spain or wherever and speak fluently.

950
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: The other thing I wish I was better at is

951
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this in an insecure way, but

952
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: just like physical competence, just like being able to run

953
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: fast and far and being able to lift heavy things

954
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: and just feeling confident in my physical strength and athletic ability.

955
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Would I think it's something that trickles down. The confidence

956
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: of that trickles down to everything else, like just never

957
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: being afraid someone's gonna throw football at you. So those

958
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: are the two things I wish I was better at.

959
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: I am trying to think what I would be Okay,

960
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: being worse at?

961
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah this is tough.

962
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is tough because it also makes you think, wait,

963
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: what am I good at?

964
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Well? When it comes to practical skills, I have so

965
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: few and at some point it's like not charming, and

966
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: I wish like but there's a part of me where

967
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I I've already made this choice where I like,

968
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: I sacrifice practical skills in order to like be whatever

969
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: I am, and I like, I don't know, can a

970
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: girl have it all? It's hard to tell. I I'm

971
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: gonna say something that's very Calisi of me, which is

972
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: gonna hurt, but I have to say it out loud.

973
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: So I Over the last year I played the video

974
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: game elden Ring, and in it, you know, people that

975
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: get really into it talk about like what build are you?

976
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: Like you sort of like put your You can't have

977
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: all the stats, so you have to focus on like

978
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to be this type. I'm going to be

979
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: this tame thing. And when I started playing, I was

980
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: really like, well, I just want to be a little

981
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: bit good at everything. And then eventually I was like, oh,

982
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm bad at this game because my character is just

983
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: a little bit good at everything and you have to

984
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: make a choice, and so now I cannot stop thinking

985
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: about people as have a build and being like, oh

986
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: I chose like comedy like silly build, and I'm like

987
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: horrible at cooking and like fixing a car, but I'm

988
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: like incredible when it comes like being charming in room.

989
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think related to that, I actually have decided

990
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: what I would want to sacrifice what, and it is

991
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: generally speaking, pop culture knowledge. I have so much knowledge,

992
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: like almost against my will, that I wish I didn't know,

993
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: and I wish I could replace with other things, but especially.

994
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: Culture knowledge informs so much of what you talk about.

995
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: I feel, but what if my but what if it

996
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: was informed by deep historical knowledge and other kinds of

997
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: life experiences.

998
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: And you'd be a professor. That's true.

999
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to sacrifice at all, but

1000
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, Okay, pick one thing. What if

1001
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: I never I didn't know anything about the oscars? I

1002
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: don't think my life would change in a like Yeah,

1003
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't think that that would like make my life

1004
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: any worse.

1005
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: That's true.

1006
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: That's true, you know what I mean?

1007
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: Just like little things like that are like what if

1008
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: I never knew anything about which celebrities dated or broke up?

1009
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: I can still I could still know the parts of

1010
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: pop culture that were interesting to comment on. But I

1011
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't I wouldn't have to know about you know, Julia

1012
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: Fox and Kanye.

1013
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean one thing is I am actively trying

1014
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: to know less about video games. I think there was

1015
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: a point where I was like, this is taking up

1016
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: too much of my skill set. Now yeah, and I'm like, okay,

1017
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: so now I yeah, everything's in New York. I am

1018
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: a person without material goods except for my line scooters.

1019
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: You really are in a video game and that in

1020
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: that sense. Yeah, okay, I think we both sort of

1021
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: answered this.

1022
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Then great, next Q, well do you want to do

1023
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: b I do, but I'm not sure how I'll answer it.

1024
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't have one. I'm queued up. But it is

1025
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: a good question.

1026
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: It is a good question.

1027
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: Do you want to try quickly?

1028
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: Well?

1029
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So a is what is the gayest chocolate?

1030
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: Which really quickly? I yes, my answer would be like

1031
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: white chocolate because it's sort of trying to do too much.

1032
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

1033
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: And then it's also it's sort of like to what

1034
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: end just have normal chocolate.

1035
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: It's also like does it taste different? I've never understood it.

1036
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: Very Yeah, white chocolate is very avamax, where it's like, well, okay,

1037
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: you are kind of making an impact, but like, why.

1038
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either white chocolate or honestly dark chocolate, where

1039
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: it's like like it's like different and being like really like,

1040
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: well I'm different.

1041
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: Well, dark chocolate is literally like Oscar wild, like gay

1042
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: sophistic kid, you know, sort of, I would say it's trumancopodi.

1043
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 3: Okay.

1044
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: And then B is what is the most earnest thing

1045
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: you've learned from your significant other?

1046
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: Well, it does Valentine's Day.

1047
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: After all, it is Valentine's Day, so we have to

1048
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: answer this one. I wish I had a punchy answer.

1049
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I know, most earnest thing you've learned.

1050
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: I feel like generally Misha has always been like I mean, one,

1051
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: he's like slightly older than me, like like two to

1052
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: three years and depending on the month, and I feel

1053
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: like he has just been like slightly more mature than me.

1054
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: And and you know, okay, here's one. I think he's

1055
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: I've learned more to like trust what I like rather

1056
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: than like follow the trends because of him. I think

1057
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: he often he has these cultural touchstones where I've sort

1058
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: of he's told me about them, and I've been like,

1059
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: but no one else I know talks about that, and

1060
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: then like five years later when the trend comes around,

1061
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: it'll be like everyone is talking about that thing, and

1062
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, if I just you can, if you

1063
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: just trust yourself, eventually stuff will catch up to you.

1064
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: Like there's so many things that he was like way

1065
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: ahead of people on, but not because he was trying

1066
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: to be ahead, just because he legitimately likes them.

1067
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I would say I think

1068
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Matthew is a very deep thinker, and I find it

1069
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: very like fulfilling to be with someone where I'm like

1070
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: excited to hear what they have to say about something

1071
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: and being surprised by what that might be. And then

1072
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: on a more like way, less romantic way, more practical sense,

1073
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Matthew is just someone who is really on top of everything,

1074
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: Like the He is the kind of person that like

1075
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: has figured out credit card points in airline miles to

1076
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: a t where it's like a mathematical equation that he

1077
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: knows exactly how to do it so that he gets

1078
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: the most.

1079
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: Out of it.

1080
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: Okay, another one. Misha's always been like like, I've always

1081
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: wanted like one million friends, and Misha's always been like, well,

1082
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm happy with the four I have totally, and I

1083
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: actually think the older I get, the more I'm like, oh,

1084
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: he's got a point, like having one million isn't always better.

1085
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: Totally.

1086
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh.

1087
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: The one other thing I will say, which is a

1088
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: smaller thing, is like Matthew, you know, he spent a

1089
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: lot of time sort of working in fashion and being

1090
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and in the sort of reporting on fashion the arts

1091
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Speaker 1: more broadly, and I think through that he is just

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Speaker 1: less impressed with celebrity and less impressed with buzz in

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Speaker 1: a way that actually I think it was very helpful

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Speaker 1: for me to see to be like I don't have

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Speaker 1: to run to like I don't know care about whoever

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Speaker 1: the new person is every week because it's just going

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Speaker 1: to change next week, which is a very obvious thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like, at the end of the day, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: like it's difficult to reach a balance where you can

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Speaker 1: engage with pop culture and still have fun but also

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Speaker 1: have a deep knowledge that it does not matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm still working through that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: This is from Will. Will says Sam I absolutely loved

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Speaker 1: Millennial Hunter. I couldn't get to be here in the UK,

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Speaker 1: so I watched the via YouTube. Blah blah blah, my

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Speaker 1: cool bisexual female Northern metal head housemate, and I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of laughs out of it. Honey, that makes

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Speaker 1: three of us. It felt like a very natural next

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Speaker 1: step on from Family Guy and Rick and Morty for me,

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Speaker 1: which was an unexpectedly straight reference, almost two on the

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Speaker 1: nose for a guest to pick. Do you like these

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Speaker 1: shows and what is a story there?

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Speaker 3: Sam? And George? What is your favorite cartoon?

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Speaker 1: So? Sam, I would love actually for you to talk

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Speaker 1: about the references and the inspirations in making your adult

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Speaker 1: animated feature film Millennial Hunt.

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Speaker 2: Wow. First of all, thank you will, that's very nice.

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Speaker 2: Second of all, I actually, did you know? I grew

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Speaker 2: up watching Family I not to be and I loved

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Speaker 2: Rick and Morty to be an alt right teen for

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Speaker 2: a moment, I think I also, I do like those shows.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they influenced my humor. Uh. And then like

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Speaker 2: one of the I don't know if it actually came

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Speaker 2: through it all, but I was like a big inspiration

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Speaker 2: I kept saying when we were like in the planning stages,

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Speaker 2: was I kept saying like Samurai Jack, where I was

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Speaker 2: like I wanted to feel like moody moody when it can,

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Speaker 2: so that the sillyness comes through totally. And yeah, also

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Speaker 2: it was just like the animation company, they had incredible

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Speaker 2: taste because mostly I was, you know, basing it off

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Speaker 2: of more live action stuff like The Fugitive and kind

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Speaker 2: of like Kill Bill and like Revenge, you know, Get

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Speaker 2: My Wife Back style stories and like silly eighties versions

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Speaker 2: of those, and then they came in with the fun

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Speaker 2: visual ideas and what's your favorite cartoon?

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, what's your favorite cartoon?

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Speaker 2: You know? Honestly, I actually might say SpongeBob.

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Speaker 3: Sam. I was about to say SpongeBob.

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Speaker 2: That is crazy, that's great.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I unlike you, I sort of I

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Speaker 1: never real I knew everyone else around me was watching

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Speaker 1: South Park and Family Guy and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: I have watched some of it, and I do think

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Speaker 1: it's funny, but I just never I was never an

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Speaker 1: adult anime person. But when I was a kid, I

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Speaker 1: loved Nickelodeon and SpongeBob was like so huge for me. Like,

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was so funny. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: obviously not the first to say it, but it's so gay,

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Speaker 1: like in just a way that actually, I would say

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: maybe shaped my queer sensibility way more than other more

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Speaker 1: obvious things. It's so silly but also so smart. And

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Speaker 1: you know what else, I loved fairly odd parents.

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Speaker 2: I loved fairly odd parents.

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Speaker 3: Loved fairly odd parents.

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00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were and the jokes were good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the jokes are great.

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Speaker 2: Spongeball all the visual there were so many fun visual jokes,

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Speaker 2: like never forget the like when he's like in Sandy's

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00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: house in the water episode, and like you know, the

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Speaker 2: hyper detailed shot of his like pores drying up. It's

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Speaker 2: so fun.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun, And I don't know enough about what's

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Speaker 1: going on in animation right now to be like, man,

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Speaker 1: it used to be so much better. But I do

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Speaker 1: hope that there are shows like that for kids today,

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Speaker 1: because it's like.

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Speaker 3: I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not just like oh, little talking color blobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything is getting cheaper, which is a frustrating, Yes,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes it's not. It's hard to tell. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know what's happening in like kids comedy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: SpongeBob's still running. I have no idea what it's like

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Speaker 2: you now, I'm pretty sure there's still new episodes.

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Speaker 1: There is actually another question in this email that I love,

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Speaker 1: which is what film have you enjoyed talking or arguing

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Speaker 1: about most this year as separate from the actual viewing experience.

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Speaker 1: I have a very cursory answer that I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about today, actually please so, I think Poor Things is

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Speaker 1: an interesting like conversation topic, because I actually said on

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Speaker 1: an earlier I think I said on the Patreon episode,

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Speaker 1: I had a very sort of half baked critique that

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, this is a movie made

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Speaker 1: by men about the experience of womanhood, and it almost

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Speaker 1: at times feels like a male fantasy. And I was

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Speaker 1: actually recently listening to a podcast where two women were

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Speaker 1: talking about it, and they were saying how much they

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Speaker 1: hate that critique because they were like, why is a

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Speaker 1: sexually liberated woman a male fantasy? Like why is a

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Speaker 1: woman who loves sex and is fulfilled by sex and

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Speaker 1: has a casual relation to sex whatever a male fantasy?

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Speaker 1: In fact they were saying this, they were like, in fact,

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Speaker 1: if anything, it's a female fantasy to not have, you know,

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Speaker 1: not have hang ups, and not be trying to please anyone,

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Speaker 1: and to be so fully in your body, that you

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Speaker 1: are in control and all this stuff, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that is a that is an incredibly good point. And

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Speaker 1: it's ironic that I, you know, as a man, was

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Speaker 1: immediately had this critique of being like, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: the male gaze or something, even though I like the movie,

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Speaker 1: but I just that was sort of my one immediate,

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Speaker 1: like h critique of it that I couldn't sort of

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Speaker 1: get over. So I don't think I've argued with anyone

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Speaker 1: about it, but I think like I've enjoyed hearing people's

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Speaker 1: opinions about it, because I do think that's an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 2: I have two answers. I think that's a great answer,

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Speaker 2: and I agree with it, and then I have two more.

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Speaker 2: One is that I actually really loved the conversation around

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Speaker 2: May December, and because it really felt like, you know,

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Speaker 2: for the girls who get it, you get it, and

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Speaker 2: for the girls who don't don't, and that was like

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Speaker 2: kind of I liked that. I've found that to be

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Speaker 2: an interesting and fun conversation, and the people that hated it,

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Speaker 2: like really hated it, and then the people that loved

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Speaker 2: it really loved it, and so I found that to

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Speaker 2: be juicy. And then the other one was, of course

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Speaker 2: I think it's a horrible movie, but we have to

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Speaker 2: say Saltburn. I actually think the conversation around Saltburn is

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Speaker 2: gonna be like educational for people. And I think it's like, uh,

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Speaker 2: it's yeah, I've found myself. I've enjoyed hating on it

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Speaker 2: all year long, and I wonder when I'll stop enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: But it's not today.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree, it's almost with Saltburn. What always happens

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Speaker 1: is everyone becomes such a hater that then suddenly I

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Speaker 1: have an instinct contrarian and be like, it's actually good,

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Speaker 1: but I will stop short.

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Speaker 3: Of doing that.

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Speaker 1: I do have actually one more answer, which I think

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen yet. But you haven't seen All of

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Speaker 1: Us Strangers, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 1: So all of Us Strangers is actually maybe even more

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Speaker 1: than poor Things is a really fascinating sort of conversation

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Speaker 1: piece because I think among gay men especially, everyone just

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Speaker 1: like brings their own baggage to it, myself included obviously,

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: and it's like either you think it's super profound, or

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: you think it is so embarrassing and so problematic, or

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: you think it is like playing into certain stereotypes, or oh,

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: like it's sort of this outdated thing that all gay

1241
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: men are lonely and fundamentally broken, or it's like this

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: incredibly honest and vulnerable self portrait of this like tortured

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: older gay you know, creative person writer. And I have

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Speaker 1: to say in myself, I'm almost like paralyzed by the

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01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: different options of how to think of it that I

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: genuinely couldn't tell you if I liked the movie or not,

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01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: which I don't remember like the last time that has happened,

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01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, there is so much

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01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: baggage that comes along with any different opinion you can

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: have about it, and I need to, you know, go

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01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: live in the woods for three weeks to come.

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Speaker 3: Up with what I feel. Wow, So that's my other answer.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: That was part one of our Valentine's Day Earnestness bonanza.

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